The Queer Subtext of American Psycho
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In this video, we examine the queer subtext in American Psycho and finally welcome Patrick Bateman into the LGBTQ+ community.
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Thank you Orowen for yassifying all the “literally me” characters
Expect he didn't lol.
@@InlandDiscoEmpireplease explain..
@@Aarnyx Just because a content creator you like and a KNOWN troll author says he's gay, doesn't mean he actually is lol. He literally had to fight with the female director to keep lines & moments in from the book that she seem deemed too extreme. All the gory torture scenes from the book are taken out, but even what was there she had an issue with lol.
On top of that, I know that videos like this are an attempt to do, but leftists believe in the poisoned well concept as well so I doesn't makes sense lol. This is an attempt to shame/belittle men who like these character out of idolizing them and it's not gonna work. I don't exactly know why? It's not like young straight gen Z men have much to look forward too in life and you can't just let them enjoy a peace of media they like? You must destroy and strip EVERYTHING from men? Most of which are giving up on life already?
You people aren't the good guys here lol.
@@InlandDiscoEmpire didn't ask, don't care
@@InlandDiscoEmpire *except
Half of the time in the book Bateman's getting called a naughty f word
and calling other men at the gym f words. Honestly the book is written so well, the homophobia is pretty realistic
Really....I need to listen to the audio book again
Wait. You mean I'm not a sigma male? I'm just gay?
Pretty much, yeah...
Who said gays can't be sigma male?
Always has been
Loved masculinity a little to much there pal
But those are the same thing
absolutely TERRIFIED of this comment section when will people learn that historically, most horror films ALWAYS have some kinda queer subtext...
please for the love of god do not find a way to drag the thing into this
@@pmchadMy thoughts exactly
@@pmchadThe monster is gay and it’s a story about the humans being homophobic, there, I just did what this guy took 12 minutes to do
Delusional take
ESPECIALLY the old ones
I agree with your theory, for when I was closeted, I too used the excuse “I have to return some video tapes” when actually I was heading out to bang a dude.
Personally I’ve always struggled with my bisexuality since a very long time.
When I was young, and found some guys attractive for the first time ( it was Dylan O’Brien Michael b Jordan and Tom Holland but anyway ) l was disgusted of myself and since this first time l always had bad thoughts during my almost my entire life like "wait how can you feel this thing for a dude you’re disgusting that’s not how you were raised" "you cannot feel something like that for someone like you while you always felt that for girls you’re straight not like one of those dirty and ugly things” "if you feel something like that for a dude even if you can for girls too you are gay” ( I didn’t know bisexuality existed ) "you cannot be or look like those things that’s impossible you’re ill and anormal like those faggs and the family will disown you”
I was always like that and now I have some regrets. But now l’m 16 and l started to make peace with myself and accept who l am. His video about Bateman was truly interesting, and l don’t know what can l think, but the theory can be true with the arguments that he used.
@Nelson Boubou I’m sorry to hear that it took you some time to accept yourself. It is sad that our society 🤡 makes LGBT peeps feel that way. But just as you accepted yourself with some time, we are getting to a more progressive age and with time maybe homophobia will be looked on in the history books by our generation’s great great grandchildren as something that must be a work of fiction. Also, I will admit Tom Holland was one of my first gay crushes too 😎
@@Maccycheez That’s something that l’m truly hopping for too, and maybe one day we will live in peace. And yes who didn’t crushed one time on Tom Holland seriously ? This dude is literally a magnet that can attract everyone 🚶🏽
Braindead take
@@nelsonboubou7006he's too twinkish for me. Gosling is where it's at, baby
Now hear me out, trainspotting is the gayest movie ever made. I don’t have a scrap of evidence for that but a video essay about it would be brilliant. Keep up the good work.
I recently watched that film, and I can definitely see where you're coming from!
The actor who played character who loves getting in fights, told he played him as a repressed gay man, so yeah.
I'm most of the way through the book and was insane thinking that surely someone else noticed how incredibly gay Patrick Bateman is, so thank you for this.
Another thing that I think is notable is his attitude towards smoking and how it can read as synonymous with his sexuality. In the book he's constantly criticizing smokers and making a big point of going to the non-smoking sections of restaurants, and when he meets an old college friend she mentions that he used to smoke constantly in college. You can read this as him having been openly gay in college and going back into the closet after entering the business world. Later on, when he's torturing that old college friend he triumphantly declares to her that he still smokes cigars. The ways he describes smokers is also incredibly similar to how he describes gay people.
Also in the book he has a lot more encounters with Luis. He deals with his advances for several months and is constantly ashamed to be seen interacting with him yet never ends up killing him. He also warns him away from him similar to Jean and tries to get him to understand that Luis will die if he keeps trying to date him.
Very connected with the last point, he also constantly talks about AIDS. His straight friends talk about how AIDS isn't even that dangerous for straight men, he encourages two women to sleep together in front of him by saying that it's "totally safe" and they can't get AIDS from each other, etc. etc.. So not only is he scared of his sexuality because he wants to fit in, but also because he is paranoid about AIDS.
It's crazy how few people seem to have noticed this subtext because at least in the book it's just staring at you right in the face.
Wow, im gonna read the book now because of this.
Also a little bit of trivia, cigarettes in French are called f**gots. So, do what you will with that.
Idc. All I know is that he isn't gay in the movie
And that scene with bono aswell when he literally describes getting an erection after watching him on stage at the concert. That's all the proof I needed
@alatus_knight (the movie is based off the book)
anyway i loved this. i never got that the WHOLE movie was about being gay. i thought the one dude hitting on him just threw off his game because it was too silly for the dark mind he has. now i gotta watch it again.
I thought it we because everytime he goes to kill someone he’s met with fear in their eyes and he gets a little high from it and for once he’s met with lust and love which makes him go into withdrawal cause rather than getting that high he is faced with something that sobers him up more than anything
It's not gay
@@Someone-qi1rr read the books
It's definitely not gay
@@alatusedits but... the video essay said...
one of the most notable things for me regarding a lot of luis and patrick's interactions (moreso in the book) is his inability to follow through with killing him
in the book he (if i remember rightly) attempts on a couple occasions to kill luis. when luis breaks down at his feet, patrick tells luis the truth about his nature as a violent man, tells luis he will kill him if he doesnt leave him alone and luis tells him to do it anyways as he would rather die than be without him. patrick was given VERBAL permission to kill someone, and yet he just...doesnt? he spares luis.
its strange, especially when you realise, hes killed people for far less than this (paul, random women & men, sex workers, old girlfriends, friends, etc). he has no reason to keep luis alive, but i think its very telling that the only two people who are given a warning of "hey, im a bad person and im going to hurt you" are the two people in his life who regard him with genuine love and respect.
i dont doubt patrick is self-absorbed and keeping these people in his life helps stroke his ego, but surely if you were THAT disgusted by someone having gay feelings for you (like patrick says), wouldnt that trump any desire to keep them around? wouldnt you be scared of your own reputation if people found out another man was in love with you?
i think patrick knows deep down that killing luis would not make him feel better
the les mis bit is so real
Ya’ll getting mad about Patrick being a actual gay man is funny
I just searched “Patrick Bateman gay” into RUclips because I saw another video that was a montage of his obsession with Paul Allen and that got me thinking that American Psycho is a queer film.
Thank you for this excellent and insightful analysis. American Psycho is a great satire on the overall emptiness of toxic masculinity and capitalism.
Nothing empty about masculinity. It worked for thousands of years just fine. You want an example of good masculinity? Aragorn from lord of the rings. In fact there’s a whole video on this I think
@@generalj216 silence gigachad profile pic
Oh no, was the raincoat he put on an ALLEGORY for a condom? LOL
I think they mean the emptiness of toxic masculinity
an eye opening video. very entertaining AND relevant. in short, another pure banger.
Whats next "The hidden gay undertones in Metal Gear Solid?" or maybe "The bisexual nature of Tetris?"
"Why Berserk Is An Exploration of Homoerotic BDSM"
You do realise bret Easton Ellis who wrote the book is an actual homosexual who based the character on himself right ? I did drugs with him in London years ago . He told me.
As an actual gay man who loves ultra violent comics movies and video games and movies this film is extremely gay . You just are too fragile to be able to handle something you like making you look gay. Wait till you find out about the Spartans. You won’t be able to watch 300 again 🥺 suck a dick , you’ll be fine.@@bobothetransdimensionalhob2659
At what point is metal gear solid subtle about how gay it is, lol
"How Super Mario World is a tale about growing up as a trans kid"
Came for the Doctor Who, stayed for the fascinating, whitty commentary on subjects I know nothing about and the beaming sarcastic smile.
I think one of those most interesting things about Ellis' book American Psycho is that it is essentially a time capsule of lgbt culture in the 80's, as well as a satire on how conservative, patriarchal, upperclass culture views lgbtq culture (aka, about an lgbtq person writing about observing yuppie culture in the 80's (the AIDs epidemic viewed by yuppie culture, how minorities were treated by the upper class (the upper class liturally torturing and killing poor minorities), and the dehumanization and fetishization of lgbtq people (Bateman fetishising two women having sex with each other throughout the book).
I interpreted Bateman as straight. However, Bateman comes across as extremely insecure as a heterosexual man. He is constantly concerned with his appearance (he works out for hours a day, is obsessed with his clothes, and describes a five page long skin care routine) and how he is seen by other straight, heteronormative people. Luis, however, is really interesting in that although he is dating a woman, Luis is completely open and confident to Bateman in his homosexuality (something Bateman isn't in being straight). During the scene in which Bateman tries (and doesn't kill) Luis in the bathroom, Luis's confidence in his own sexuality frightens Bateman and reveals his own lack of confidence with his own to the point in which Luis frightens him out of the bathroom.
The reprocussion of this scene with Luis then continues to follow Bateman (both metaphorically and psychically). Luis leaves Bateman messeges on his phone, asking him to dinner. Luis tries to talk to Bateman while he's getting in a taxi, and then Bateman proceeds to wave a knife at him, hissing like a cat at him while he crawls into the taxi.
The final confrontation between them says a lot about the nature between them in the book thematically. Bateman goes into a store and notices Luis (pining) and trying to secretly follow him and confront him about why he's refusing his advances. The whole scene is written in a way that could have been easily stereotypical but reads as extremely campy. Luis is wearing a campy designer outfit (a leopard skin coat, deer skin gloves, designer sunglasses inside a store). Bateman winds up dragging himself out of the store with Luis clinging to his leg crying hysterically, "WHYWONTYOULOVEME?!?" in front of a crowd of people while Bateman desperately tries to get away. The whole scene is a final clash between Bateman's ideas of masculinity and Luis's comfort in non-hetronormative masculinity. Luis wins and survives the novel, and Bateman flees.
FINALLY someone is speaking the truth, its so obvious aaaaaa. The most notable thing is why would they go to gay bars and strip clubs??? why they dont go to normal ones??? why is he so hurt by luis 'hitting on' him????? ITS RIGHT THERE!
-Going to a strip club and bars doesn’t indicate that your homosexual. Reverse the role of a homosexual going to a heterosexual bar and strip club, does the same logical still apply?
(Also, he went to a NIGHT club, not a STRIP club. There’s a strong difference between the two.)
-The scene with Luis can be interrupted as you want. That scene could be proof of all the murders in American Psycho being the fantasies of Bateman himself who can’t bring himself to kill someone in real life. It can be interrupted as Bateman showing appreciation for Luis for actually recognizing him a person and not just a wallnut street yuppie, just like his did with Evelyn.
@@PrinceAliTheGreatestNope. A straight guy wouldn't go to a gay night club. Period.
@@yas-ww3bi
1. Bateman hasn’t gone to any too any gay night clubs in American Psycho )both book & film.)
2. Stop pretending that you can’t be straight & go too a gay night club. Does that intrinsically make you gay yourself? No it doesn’t because such can barley be a indication of one’s sexuality.
@@yas-ww3biYou clearly didn’t read my comment as well lol.
@@PrinceAliTheGreatest You're definitely disconnected from the real world if you think straight men would go to gay clubs. It's not like they physically can't it's just that they wouldn't. And yes i didn't read your comment idc about a american psycho obsessed person's long ass comment. I just saw that sentence and i thought that this boy is absolutely delusional. And someone has to get him back to the real world which doesn't revolve around this movie. You want him to be straight so much because he's your hero probably. And you're disappointed now that people think he's queer. Get over yourself. Weirdo. Find new hobbies.
Thank you, Film Bro. Patrick Bateman is a lot more interesting than I thought. I hope they make a good sequel with him and Lewis.
He's straight. I mean *normal
@@Someone-qi1rrBro did NOT watch the video 🔥🔥🔥
@@Someone-qi1rrbro did not read nor watch the movie and novel 🗣🗣🗣
All the sigma alpha male dudes rn:😢
lol
r u in my walls bc i was just trying to find a video essay for this like yesterday.. anyway great video patrick gayteman
Ew
as an aroace person, the part where patrick bateman "comes out" and nobody takes him seriously and acknowledges his identity feels very familiar lol
i feel like arguing away someone's sexuality and saying that come onnn, they're straight, really, is such a common reaction to someone being ace and or aro
idk if this is in any way significant or revelatory to anybody but it's 3am and i'm very tired
I watched this movie for the first time today. Coo coo ca chu coincidence that you would upload this immediately after I finish the movie, and found you because of that.
I never thought about this one this way. You gave me something new to think about with this one.
I see parallels between this one and my analysis of (my unpopular opinion about) the film "Shame." (Link of sex addiction a d repressing queer desire), of a Wall Street guy. Except none of the violence is murderous.
I hope this will turn into the full series, where Owen will choose a movie and call it "the Gayest Movie Ever Made".
Thank you, Owen. I love you and your videos.
As a bisexual woman, I'm all for old gay films. Especially if it's Owen, who talks about it.
Maybe it just means that I'm all for Owen...
Don't know, don't care, want to see more.
yes
Personally I’ve always struggled with my bisexuality since a very long time.
When I was young, and found some guys attractive for the first time ( it was Dylan O’Brien Michael b Jordan and Tom Holland but anyway ) l was disgusted of myself and since this first time l always had bad thoughts during my almost my entire life like "wait how can you feel this thing for a dude you’re disgusting that’s not how you were raised" "you cannot feel something like that for someone like you while you always felt that for girls you’re straight not like one of those dirty and ugly things” "if you feel something like that for a dude even if you can for girls too you are gay” ( I didn’t know bisexuality existed ) "you cannot be or look like those things that’s impossible you’re ill and anormal like those faggs and the family will disown you”
I was always like that and now I have some regrets. But now l’m 16 and l started to make peace with myself and accept who l am. His video about Bateman was truly interesting, and l don’t know what can l think, but the theory can be true with the arguments he used
@@nelsonboubou7006 I cannot hug you though the Internet, but I'm tying to send you love, care and hugs.
You are beautiful, valid and perfect just the way you are
@@armenianrussian Thank you 🙌🏽
from a straight guy I must say your take is brilliant. Fight club vid also. I must stress that the gay interpretation to me is inter-changable with a 'discovery of self' interpretation. Keep up the good work. There needs to be more unique takes on classic cinema like this.
Ahahaha, what utter nonsense. Gotta love film students.
1. The book was written by a gay man.
2. The film was directed by a lesbian.
Let's see Paul Allen's queer subtext..
I hope you know. This video is the first thing that comes up when you search “Patrick Bateman is gay.”
No
Go re watch the movie
Hey I am wearing the same shirt right now. Well, one of us has to change...
Congrats i have always seen Bateman as a repressed homosexual.. I mean it is there for all to see. However this is the 1st doc i have seen to reference this.. Good job!
Yes yes yes also, the screenwriter was gay af so.... also adaption is a perfectly cromulent word but not the one you should be using in this instance. Love yr vids ok bye.
That or hes just a psychopath
he secretly has a crush on paul allen (canon)
Paul Allen or Bryce are both more plausible than Luis who he literally seems disgusted by whenever he's around.
@@vanyadolly Luis is too sad for Patrick, he needs a hot man like bryce or paul
This video is really well done and I agree with most of your points. However, that line about him being invisible, the line that's also from the book, seems to suggest psychopathy and not simply "being afraid to be yourself." Like the point of the line wasn't that he can't be himself but that he's barely even a person. He's so empty inside.
First saw this a couple months after coming out and IMMEDIATELY picked up that it was a gay movie, and Patrick was in the closet. This video is amazing btw. Its like if CJ The X had even a tenuous connection to reality.
Oh! this video happens to be excellent? Subscribed.
The contradictions of conservative ideology make themselves all the more apparent with the symbols they choose. Matrix (red pill)is trans, Bateman (sigma) is gay.
While being funny, due to irony, I can't help but feel sad that the underlying contexts and intentions suffer the same fate as Bateman. ignored, misunderstood and ultimately inconsequential to larger society.
How is the red pill trans?
@@bobothetransdimensionalhob2659 The underlying subtext of The Matrix is about being transgender.
#relate
i'm gay and patrick bateman
Hi Orowen,
I would like to suggest to you an analysis on Love, Simon,if you are intrested. I watched it just recently and struggled to find a comprehensive summary of problematic messages the movie presented. Think that could be a ton of fun, espessialy with your cometic remarks!
by any chance have you watched mr wakefield's crusade? it's three episodes, all on youtube, and it stars peter capaldi. while i was watching it i thought of this video essay a lot, and it's almost like it and american psycho are in conversation with each other in a strange way. highly recommend it if you haven't watched it already!
"Willem da Fed"? xD
Do you really have to talk so rapidly?
there's not going to be a (pool) doctor who video. there's not even a (house) OLD doctor who video!
Amazing video essay idk i dont have a smart comment
ive got reservations at greggs 😔
Nono. Patrick being attracted to Luis is the least plausible thing about this theory. He shows nothing but derision towards him the entire movie.
Now suggesting Patric was in love with Tim "the most interesting person I know" Bryce is a different story. Bryce is the only one he never acts aggressively towards, and there's the whole "I can't believe Bryce prefers Van Patten's card to mine" thing.
After seeing that scene with bono from U2, I have to agree with you...
I mean yeah Patrick is a satire of toxic male attitudes and behaviour and has clear internalised homophobia. He’s still literally me by being anything but literally me.
This whole time i thought Bateman had autism.
Didn’t American Psycho ever play on LOGO channel? At one point in time?
in the bathroom scene he is so disgusted by that a man kissed him so he even washed his hands with his gloves on, just so he can get it away someho. look at his face when he washes his hands, he looks like he wants to hang himself.
taking "literally me" so seriously is pathetic and childish.
Turning everyone into a homosexual is even more pathetic.
"Hoo boy, do I love arguing."
No, you don't.
Allow me to explain why!
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This was a joke.
banger video (as always)
also letting you know that the patreon link in the description does not work for some reason
real
I like how this entire video is just pointing at all of the sociopathic moments of Bateman as a character and he just turns it into evidence for him being gay
this guy istg
After following you on TT for so long hearing your real voice feels deeply forbidden
Wauuuuwwwwww…… 😅😂😂😂
Thank God SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT IT Y SSSSSS
he is literally me
I love seeing you talk about how gay everything is. It's very fun.
Hah he does only love himself? Dazz gae bro
Is this ironic
Such a great book, and adaptation too! Love all the theories its birthed 💯
Fr fr 69 420 🤓🔥☠️🚿
Damn it opens up a new world to this movie👍
Your beeps do not need to be so loud 😅 great vid tho
Deeeep. This movie is a lasagna of meaning
Holy crap. Treating woman poorly, making homophobic jokes and remarks, being disgusted at another mans advances on you is gay?!?! In that case i must be the gayest man alive! Here I was thinking that was called being absolutely based.
I don't see the difference between being absolutely based and being gay. I've always thought they were synonyms.
It doesn't, they're trying to make you think it does because it's part of the agenda.
@@armenianrussianno
This sshit is permeating everything
It was written by a gay man
Seriously he isnt gay in the film and patrick bateman was a person that was created in a film in the end it says that youre not patrick batman youre davis and also he killed paul allen because of his jealousy against paul and he is engaged to evelyn so it makes no sense that hes gay also that he got distguisted when a guy thought he was gay he even washed his gloves 🤣
Thanks for a fantastic video!
All hail the Algorithm!
i love seeing chuds seethe in the comments
What are you talking about? I never saw a trans person seething in the comments
@@Buto.7103 i can't tell if you're being intentionally provocative or if you genuinely don't know what i mean by chud
Bro dissing sigma he is ligma
W
allready love the take XD
this is so good, i m telling everyone!
“Willem de Fed”
i love u
Same mood as "You're telling me when Alexander the Great's childhood friend died, he was sad? Obviously gay, basic human emotions aren't real they're just gay".
There is such a thing as excessive grief, and excessive denial. Most people don't try to have their friends declared as gods so they won't be separated in the afterlife, let them read their personal letters, write to their mothers referring to the both of them as "we", or describe them as "he too is me".
I like this interpretation a lot! But unfortunately I think cherry picking specific details In order to confirm a opinion bias causes this to loose credibility.
Bret Easton Ellis literally said the book is based on himself in the time before he came out... sooo.... confirmation from the author himself.
@@gthktty666 Nah. But that's just me mate.
@@bigumamitaste well from someone who has actually read Bret Easton Ellis, and specifically more than one book, I can tell you factually that this is based on Ellis in the 80's before he came to terms with his sexuality, not long before his father died. The night his father died, he was high on cocaine and he dragged his current "hardbody" to his childhood home, fucked her in his childhood bed and cried. That was the last time he had sex with a woman. You can read all about it in Lunar Park, or his other more recent semi-autobiographical novels. He literally talks about being stalked by Bateman in his dreams and kills off his character. You can't separate Bret Easton Ellis from Patrick Bateman because he wrote himself into the same universe. At least a semi-fictionalised version of himself.
Great analysis lol
Everyone and everything is actually a bloody f**king ranbow nowadays huh
yassss sister
It’s media analysis, you can analyze a work in any other way you like, free speech, like I’m sure you spout
@@skizzlie ranbow
Dude I wish you had more videos that I could binge, these are so good
your analysis ruined this movie.
Cope and seethe snowflake
It's always so funny to see "Sigma Males" learn that American Psycho was co-directed by a lesbian.
@@mcdonaldsmukbang oh no i am in tears,
@mcdonaldsmukbang
This is a really nice analysis, I love seeing queer interpretation of media
So everything is gay now?
You do realize that American Psycho was made by a gay man, correct?
@@noone-mo6gy That doesn't mean Gay men can't or doesn't have the capacity to write a straight normal psycho character. Your comment doesn't imply anything.
Learn the difference between work and text.
Always has been?
Doesn’t Patrick Bateman end up marrying Jean?
Nothing against you, but this is delusional. Coming from likely the biggest American Psycho fan out there. I can’t be asked right now to explain why and how you’re wrong. If someone really wants to know, fine. But no, this is a completely biased warping of American Psycho, it’s themes, and it’s metaphors.
This should be a lot more obvious if you read the book.
Is it really delusional when the author, a queer man, based patrick bateman on his own experiences with loneliness and not belonging in society AS a queer man? It's very meanspirited to say that when 1) it's a reasonable theory and 2) it's just media analysis? What is it now? Do you claim to know more about a book and a movie than another person who has a different interpretation than you? Especially when queer people wrote both the book AND the script adapting it? Be so fucking serious.
It's more delusional to accuse someone of lying and just say 'i can't be asked to explain it'
As a bi this reminded me why God hasn’t come back. Also I hate yassifing shit it’s annoying.
orowen is using movies to come out of the closet himself.
I've never seen a video from you before, but I'm getting the energy that, perhaps, you never miss.
Reaching like crazy
All of these sickos do
People will literally call anything gay now lmao
Patrick Bateman is not gay he is a sigma but YOU are definetly gay
did you even watch the video
This is satirical, right?!
@@normalperson397 what do you mean
@@perma_drunk Patrick Bateman is anything but a "sigma", and yeah he is a repressed homosexual. Did you even watch the movie or read the book?
@@normalperson397 he isnt gay lil commie