I can't express how much these videos mean to me, I'm glad you're taking the time to effectively test and explain these options! Big Fan Womble keep that 🔥 burning
Cheers TMK I appreciate that....I love testing stuff like this out...the fact I can share the result though is down to you and the other folk that watch and like the vids so the gratitude is a mine!!!
The more I use it the more im convinced its just faster and induces less understeer...its only tenths but got to take every advantage you can get with how competitive GT is at the moment.
Your deep dive videos are great Mr Womble. So much time and effort put into them. My hat is off. I'm pretty sure that this won't give me an advantage being a sloppy controller player but I'm definitely going to test it. Thank you.
My differentiator gone lol. To add to your intro, if using no ABS, you should find the tyres locking up, which results in you being unable to turn. Hence ABS is great for allowing you to trail brake into a bend. Remembering that for every speed you’re doing, there’s a given turning circle because the tyres only have so much grip. But if you brake (straight line) this takes up some of the ‘band width’ of the tyres adhesion - so when you come to turn you’re now asking the tyre for more of its grip (using up more ‘band width’) and you’ll exceed the tyre grip if you’re choosing to turn too tightly - it becomes a fine balance. Again ABS should sort this. Without ABS technically you’ve applied the right amount of braking at that given speed to turn to that given radius. However, whilst I’ve always used “weak”, I still instinctively find myself on the rare occasion pumping the brake when I feel I’ve lost control of the steering whilst braking - I dont know if it’s truly the physics of GT7 or just my overriding instinct to do so (potentially another deficiency of mine bringing in preconceptions to a game; but I’ll keep it if it keeps me alive) (I’m also conscious I’m very much in the habit of doing my major braking in a straight line; mostly born from riding bikes without ABS; but think I try taking liberties in the game). I mention these habits, as you may find your more perfected driving style and memory of game physics is allowing you to take its subtle advantage - I don’t know if everyone benefits in all scenarios (damp tracks should also heighten this; or naturally slippery one - is the full Ring worth a try?) Might be worth me trying the full on setting. But doubt I want to change my setup this late into it.
Appreciate the comment Stuart. I used to pump the brake in GTS not so much in GT7. Yeah I think the weak setting suits my driving style but its nice to have an alternative to default. Bikes with no ABS sound scary!!
I've been using the ABS weak option for the time trials. That helps you to stop better and control the brake pedal during car rotation. Especially on the Mercedes-AMG GT3 Evo at Fuji Speedway on slower corners. While the ABS default option glides on full brakes applied instead of feeling the real stopping power of the car. Give it a go for experimental purposes before going on never-ending debate about this.
Try Abs weak, often, my findings With Abs Normal, I can brake later, and have less tire wear With Abs Weak, in some circumstances, get better rotation Also, Abs Weak is terrible in the rain Ymmv
I find it very similar with both but occasionally I get a little wobble with weak in big braking zones, a bit like applying rear brake balance. Tbh wear looked similar and iv been fine in the wet at daily C but still early days...would need to test both properly.
I would be interested to hear the view of a controller user as obviously the experience of braking is quite different on the pad....iv always felt you could brake fractionally later on pad because you can get 100% braking faster which could be both an advantage and disadvantage.
Glad you gave it a try. After the Physics update I mentioned it on your vid but everyone was convinced default was the only way to go but after driving like this from the start and after the update I could feel the difference. Ive changed accounts so my username use to be Benson. Again glad ya did some test and It wasn't just me.
Maybe it was your comment that planted the seed that led to this video. Yeah im glad I tried it and surprised by the result to be honest....can't believe I never tried it for over a year after game came out lol.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 Glad you're curiosity prevailed! It's a topic that I've found to be pretty subjective but I use 1st person perspective to drive and not bumper so tend to brake earlier to be more aggressive coming out and it feels like I benefit more from straight line braking then trail-braking. So now that we have had the update a few weeks now how are you finding the Physics in general? I have mindset that Driving Physics And Tyre model are two separate ways to determine Drivability. IMO I think the Physics are pretty realistic and tune ultimately can correct driveability but all PD need to do is ADD 4% grip to all of their tyre compounds. It would improve FFB and stop giving what I feel is premature understeer and oversteer. Thanks for the replay dude.👊
I find abs weak to be faster in qualifying, but in the race I am too tense to modulate properly. This is obviously only applicable to me… glad your findings back up my hunch. Top job skipper!
If I follow another, it’s all good, consistent fast times and usually an overtake. But with someone behind my pace drops off a cliff! At that point I need abs be Swiss all my inputs have gone to shit3.
Interesting test, thanks for doing it. Would love to see you do the same for the different levels of traction control. For those of us less skilled than you A rated drivers traction control can be something of a necessity. It would be good to see exactly how much time it’s really costing us.
Ok, I’ve just seen that you’ve done two excellent tests already. It would still be interesting to find out if the result from the latter test still stands after the physics change and the change to the tc settings. It’s good to see a quick and consistent driver prepared to test things and show the results rather than have to accept what is claimed by many a streamer as gospel.
Yeah iv done it in the past but an updated one would be useful i reckon. Its another one of these things people are to quick to dismiss and just declare "off" being the only way to play.
Going to have to give this a shot. I need to look at how memberships work. Channels a great addition to the game. Should be DLC like a track etc on other games…
Im amazed at how close the times are. Thats credit to your consistency, wow. Will try the weak setting, see if it helps. At my level, if it helps keep me on the track, my lap time instantly improves😂
ABS weak fits my style so much more. I moved on to weak a few days ago and now I got within 2% on the online time trials in 5 laps compared to the usual 10, I just feel the cars rotating much more on weak vs default.
I like weak on GTS as felt more authentic but I definitely felt a couple /few tenths slower. On GT7 the difference is less pronounced and more a preference...im liking it so far.
Hey Nay It's hit and miss for me, some cars, tracks, conditions seems decent, but overall, I am more consistent with default, would be great to have abs adjustment in hud, like other sims In single play mode obviously it's not a problem to pause and change it, but online it's not an option
I have been feeling this lately... Specially on time attacks for gold medal. I always was faster in one or 2 corners per lap after hours of pratice Like 0.2 faster, but you can feel it, even on a controller
@@wombleleaderracing6455 you are probably right. I didn't know it was an option assuming it is default or off. Just an update to say I am now driving on the weak setting and prefer it.
Yeah iv used it on every car since doing this video....interestingly enough the abs default v weak is a bit off a hot topic at the moment with people seeming to find a big difference between the 2...I find difference subtle tbh.
Just today I was messing around with this. There’s an ps trophy for finishing a race with zero aids on and it got me thinking. I ran laps on spa with the new Merc with everything off, everything on full then abs on weak and that’s it. I was slowest on everything off. Then 2 seconds faster with every thing on full. Then finally another two seconds with abs on weak and no other assists.
I had weak on, until the new physics update, not sure if it's in my head but feel a touch more control once I switched to default. I'm gonna have to try it again though.
To me its more of a preference than an automatic decision now. In the past(GT Sport days)default was definitely the way to go but with GT7 and updates "weak" is without doubt a viable option and possible faster for some drivers
If you go into the options it gives a brief explanation below. Its stares that default allocates some if the force to the front tyres whereas weak this is disabled....typical PD ambiguous explanation lol but yeah I take it as being a less aggressive intervention and thats kind of how it feels as well.
@@wombleleaderracing6455It explains what it does fairly well. On Default it’s normal ABS behaviour of opening up a blocked wheel, but on top of that if you try to introduce a cornering force on the tyre with too much brake pressure applied it automatically reduces the pressure to “allocate” some of the grip to cornering, basically keeping you in the traction circle. It’s doing your job for you in that respect. ABS Default favours brake mashing even into the turn in phase. If you’re used to braking in real life or in other sims where you need to coordinate and blend the releasing of brake pressure with turn in, then you probably won’t notice much difference between Weak versus Default, as you’re not giving it much work to do. If you get used to and reliant on not needing to blend your steering and braking from using Default, then going to Weak might turn into buckets of corner entry understeer for some. From looking at your brake modulation you’re driving ABS Default in a way that doesn’t exploit what it offers, so the differences will be more down to subtle effects and being used to the behaviour ABS Weak. It’s very late and aggressive braking under unstable conditions due to camber or elevation changes, or a car still in the process of shifting load and not yet in a set where the differences really show up. A good test would be picking a slow corner with a tricky entry from high speed and seeing how late each system can brake and still make the turn in. Not comfortable race pace laps, but ultimate one lap kind of pace where you try to push the braking point one curb stone further each time. Something that would be very difficult for you to achieve every time without nailing the inputs. That’s where the differences will be magnified. Just driving ABS Default in the same way you drive ABS Weak while putting in a race stint isn’t going to highlight much except for what you’re used to already.
I've always used ABS Weak in GT7 just for the sole reason that I'm playing with a gamepad and feeling a trigger for brakes just seems unnatural to me. I really wanna give a decent wheel a go (had a G29 and shifter but it broke) without ABS
Cant say I play on controller but on the brief occasions I do i quite like the implementation on the triggers ABS off is an interesting challenge but defintely slower and also kills the tyres.
Not all cars, drive optimal with ABS weak. The MR Cars, generally needs a little tweak when turning. before 1.31, they where a little tail happy. Now its like you can´t get enough rotation. too much understeer
Great bit of work there, did you notice any difference in tyre wear? The less sliding in weak might mean slightly better tyre wear? Hoping for a double wammy on this one.
Cheers Prodigy...Tyrewear seemed the same but a few folk asked the same so I did a follow up video testing it...long story short I found tyrewear to be the same.
I see you are running the new AMG meaning you are on v1.32. IMO, they haven't tweaked everything out from the big bop update in v1.31 I imagine, giving it a little time, that feeling you have of abs default grabbing too much will invert. ABS weak should have the grabbing feeling, because the abs system is being suppressed and therefore, the calipers are more likely to lock.
Yeah first 2 test were on 1.31 and 3rd test on 1.32. Grabbing was probably a bad choice of work. Essentially I felt in certain corners there was a slight reduction in understeer with weak ABS as if it wasn't being quite as intrusive and allowing me to use grip of the front tyres ability more effectively. As I concluded I think weak is a viable alternative to default now and which you prefer is now a preference rather than definite.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 grabbing is a fitting word. With ABS default, there should be less understeer because ABS is at standard and locking up the front tires should occur less, therefore the understeer should be less. ABS weak, the ABS system has reduced input. Meaning you are more likely to lock up the tires because the ABS has been constrained. More understeer.
And failed completely in trying to put down a consistent lap (the perils of driving tired and grumpy...) Having said that, I definitely felt more control over the brakes with ABS on weak, and mid corner corrections were easier as I felt like the ABS interfered less with the smaller modulated inputs.
Hopefully the fully alert and happy test goes better lol...I defintely think there is something in it...I did another test(video probably out as you read this) at the Redbull ring and the difference through the 2nd to last corner was noticeable straight away in that the car wasn't desperately trying to understeer of the track every lap.
No I was just driving normally mate. Same braking points, same pressure and worked pretty much the same. The car csm get a little loose on the rear at times, bit like having rear brake balance but convinced it had less understeer and more rotation. Forgot to mention tyrewear in vid but looked similar plus I was using it at Road Atlanta and had no issues with tyres. Give it a try though...im surprised how nice it feels because in GTS I liked how authentic it felt but was def slower than default.
WOMBLE! I'd just noticed this myself only two days ago, and now you've gone and blabbed it to everyone! 😉 Just gauging by eye - it appears that the red area of the braking trace appears shallower in depth. So, if you put your braking amount closer to perfect "threshold braking", should make fuller use of the tyres' grip
I did have a feeling I was revealing a seceret as I did the vid lol. Interesting il need to look at the brake traces from the replays and see how they differ to each other...I forgot that was a thing that you can actually see how much the ABS is working.
What about when you try the super formula cars in this game? I turn off abs because they dont have abs in real life but it still gives you the option. Whats best to use?
It was like month after gt7 was out when i tried weak and it just kinda felt better.. i could brake later and got more rotation.. but that daytona bus stop is impossible to get right with abs weak..
I've been using abs weak since the new update and I think it help a lot on certain cars
Iv been very surprised with the results since changing from default.
I can't express how much these videos mean to me, I'm glad you're taking the time to effectively test and explain these options! Big Fan Womble keep that 🔥 burning
Cheers TMK I appreciate that....I love testing stuff like this out...the fact I can share the result though is down to you and the other folk that watch and like the vids so the gratitude is a mine!!!
I was running ABS weak on all road cars before but since the update I also use it on the race cars. Glad you confirm my findings
The more I use it the more im convinced its just faster and induces less understeer...its only tenths but got to take every advantage you can get with how competitive GT is at the moment.
Love me some science. I always thought ABS stood for Almost Broke Suitably
Cheers Alex...on my streams it stands for Angry Bald Scotsman lol
Your deep dive videos are great Mr Womble. So much time and effort put into them. My hat is off. I'm pretty sure that this won't give me an advantage being a sloppy controller player but I'm definitely going to test it. Thank you.
Cheers Consumer appreciated...yeah not sure how it translates to the pad...but anything to reduce understeer 😆
Excellent. Thank you for all your efforts, they're much appreciated. I'll certainly try the weak setting.
Thank you Mn...no harm in trying!
My differentiator gone lol.
To add to your intro, if using no ABS, you should find the tyres locking up, which results in you being unable to turn. Hence ABS is great for allowing you to trail brake into a bend.
Remembering that for every speed you’re doing, there’s a given turning circle because the tyres only have so much grip. But if you brake (straight line) this takes up some of the ‘band width’ of the tyres adhesion - so when you come to turn you’re now asking the tyre for more of its grip (using up more ‘band width’) and you’ll exceed the tyre grip if you’re choosing to turn too tightly - it becomes a fine balance. Again ABS should sort this. Without ABS technically you’ve applied the right amount of braking at that given speed to turn to that given radius.
However, whilst I’ve always used “weak”, I still instinctively find myself on the rare occasion pumping the brake when I feel I’ve lost control of the steering whilst braking - I dont know if it’s truly the physics of GT7 or just my overriding instinct to do so (potentially another deficiency of mine bringing in preconceptions to a game; but I’ll keep it if it keeps me alive) (I’m also conscious I’m very much in the habit of doing my major braking in a straight line; mostly born from riding bikes without ABS; but think I try taking liberties in the game). I mention these habits, as you may find your more perfected driving style and memory of game physics is allowing you to take its subtle advantage - I don’t know if everyone benefits in all scenarios (damp tracks should also heighten this; or naturally slippery one - is the full Ring worth a try?)
Might be worth me trying the full on setting. But doubt I want to change my setup this late into it.
Appreciate the comment Stuart. I used to pump the brake in GTS not so much in GT7.
Yeah I think the weak setting suits my driving style but its nice to have an alternative to default.
Bikes with no ABS sound scary!!
I've been using the ABS weak option for the time trials. That helps you to stop better and control the brake pedal during car rotation. Especially on the Mercedes-AMG GT3 Evo at Fuji Speedway on slower corners.
While the ABS default option glides on full brakes applied instead of feeling the real stopping power of the car.
Give it a go for experimental purposes before going on never-ending debate about this.
I'm surprised how much im enjoying using weak ABS....Nice to have an alternative option to use.
Try Abs weak, often, my findings
With Abs Normal, I can brake later, and have less tire wear
With Abs Weak, in some circumstances, get better rotation
Also, Abs Weak is terrible in the rain
Ymmv
I find it very similar with both but occasionally I get a little wobble with weak in big braking zones, a bit like applying rear brake balance.
Tbh wear looked similar and iv been fine in the wet at daily C but still early days...would need to test both properly.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 What would be really nice is to have an Abs option in the hud menu
Fantastic work I appreciate how long that must've taken to compile and edit. I'm like many others gonna be trying weak out now.
Appreciate that Mark...Yeah quite a lot of lappage needed to do this video thats why I abandoned test 4 lol.
Thanks for the video Womble! I think I will test this on the controller at some point 😃
I would be interested to hear the view of a controller user as obviously the experience of braking is quite different on the pad....iv always felt you could brake fractionally later on pad because you can get 100% braking faster which could be both an advantage and disadvantage.
Glad you gave it a try. After the Physics update I mentioned it on your vid but everyone was convinced default was the only way to go but after driving like this from the start and after the update I could feel the difference. Ive changed accounts so my username use to be Benson. Again glad ya did some test and It wasn't just me.
Maybe it was your comment that planted the seed that led to this video. Yeah im glad I tried it and surprised by the result to be honest....can't believe I never tried it for over a year after game came out lol.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 Glad you're curiosity prevailed! It's a topic that I've found to be pretty subjective but I use 1st person perspective to drive and not bumper so tend to brake earlier to be more aggressive coming out and it feels like I benefit more from straight line braking then trail-braking. So now that we have had the update a few weeks now how are you finding the Physics in general? I have mindset that Driving Physics And Tyre model are two separate ways to determine Drivability. IMO I think the Physics are pretty realistic and tune ultimately can correct driveability but all PD need to do is ADD 4% grip to all of their tyre compounds. It would improve FFB and stop giving what I feel is premature understeer and oversteer. Thanks for the replay dude.👊
I find abs weak to be faster in qualifying, but in the race I am too tense to modulate properly. This is obviously only applicable to me… glad your findings back up my hunch. Top job skipper!
I can understand this tbh...sometimes when your behind another car having that safety net of default ABS can be reassuring.
If I follow another, it’s all good, consistent fast times and usually an overtake. But with someone behind my pace drops off a cliff! At that point I need abs be Swiss all my inputs have gone to shit3.
Interesting test, thanks for doing it. Would love to see you do the same for the different levels of traction control. For those of us less skilled than you A rated drivers traction control can be something of a necessity. It would be good to see exactly how much time it’s really costing us.
Ok, I’ve just seen that you’ve done two excellent tests already. It would still be interesting to find out if the result from the latter test still stands after the physics change and the change to the tc settings. It’s good to see a quick and consistent driver prepared to test things and show the results rather than have to accept what is claimed by many a streamer as gospel.
Yeah iv done it in the past but an updated one would be useful i reckon. Its another one of these things people are to quick to dismiss and just declare "off" being the only way to play.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 if it’s a track I like and therefore know very well I usually run zero. If it’s not I usually run 1.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 I find TCS1 is much more useful these days, it actually helps much more without intruding near as much
Going to have to give this a shot. I need to look at how memberships work. Channels a great addition to the game. Should be DLC like a track etc on other games…
I see you joined as a member Sum...appreciate, thank you!!
The Prof is in the house!
Cheers Craig....its been a while.
Im amazed at how close the times are. Thats credit to your consistency, wow. Will try the weak setting, see if it helps. At my level, if it helps keep me on the track, my lap time instantly improves😂
Cheers Matt....First rule of sim racing....keep it on the grey stuff 😆
ABS weak fits my style so much more. I moved on to weak a few days ago and now I got within 2% on the online time trials in 5 laps compared to the usual 10, I just feel the cars rotating much more on weak vs default.
Good to hear Alex and similar to my experience. Weak just seems less intrusive
Great job! Love the analysis!
Cheers Scott...appreciate that.
Great video. Helps a lot. Very clear explanation
Cheers...glad you enjoyed it
Tried abs weak on sport works for some cars, tracks, people. Good to no on gt7 as I never tried it👍
I like weak on GTS as felt more authentic but I definitely felt a couple /few tenths slower. On GT7 the difference is less pronounced and more a preference...im liking it so far.
I was using weak, but switched back to default after i couldnt stop in rain.
Suspect that was more my driving then anything may swicth back.
Hey Nay
It's hit and miss for me, some cars, tracks, conditions seems decent, but overall, I am more consistent with default, would be great to have abs adjustment in hud, like other sims
In single play mode obviously it's not a problem to pause and change it, but online it's not an option
Got a rain comparison coming out soon after a few people mentioned it was more difficult...interesting results!
Yeah an option to switch ABS systems on the MFD would be good!!
I have been feeling this lately... Specially on time attacks for gold medal. I always was faster in one or 2 corners per lap after hours of pratice
Like 0.2 faster, but you can feel it, even on a controller
Nice to hear...im still using weak as think I'm faster with it.
Thanks. I have never thought to switch from default 😮. Thats Sunday night accounted for, 😂
My guess is that most people don't even no its an option lol
@@wombleleaderracing6455 you are probably right. I didn't know it was an option assuming it is default or off. Just an update to say I am now driving on the weak setting and prefer it.
Great video. I started on weak, then went to default. I might go back now 😂
The difference is subtle between the 2 and rathervthan one being better than the other its more of a preference than anything else I'd say.
Very informative sir, something I’ve been using recently n totally agree👍🏻
Cheers Scampy...it surprised me a lot tbh. My experience with weak in GTS sport ment I never bothered trying it up till now!!
Great content, thanks for the vid. I'm gonna try ABS weak.
Cheers Lewis...definitely worth a try, especially in time trial
👍great vid,certainly going to try this for a couple of weeks
Cheers Scrab...yep no harm in giving it a go
Very interesting! Thanks Womble. Like deployed👍
Thank you Heinz...appreciated.
ABS weak is the only assist I use, and have done so for over a year and a half. Maybe it just suits my driving style
Yeah iv used it on every car since doing this video....interestingly enough the abs default v weak is a bit off a hot topic at the moment with people seeming to find a big difference between the 2...I find difference subtle tbh.
Bloody good vid mate 👍who knew!! Would b cool to see some of my liveries in these vids 👍👍😎
Cheers Stevo...let me check your liverys out and see if I can make you the cover start of next weeks strategy guide!!
@@wombleleaderracing6455 respect mate, make sure u mention the houseoflarry 👍😎
Good work Womble!
Cheers Ironman....appreciated
Just today I was messing around with this. There’s an ps trophy for finishing a race with zero aids on and it got me thinking. I ran laps on spa with the new Merc with everything off, everything on full then abs on weak and that’s it. I was slowest on everything off. Then 2 seconds faster with every thing on full. Then finally another two seconds with abs on weak and no other assists.
Interesting results...it seems a lot of people find weak useful going by the comments.
I had weak on, until the new physics update, not sure if it's in my head but feel a touch more control once I switched to default. I'm gonna have to try it again though.
To me its more of a preference than an automatic decision now. In the past(GT Sport days)default was definitely the way to go but with GT7 and updates "weak" is without doubt a viable option and possible faster for some drivers
@@wombleleaderracing6455 I'm gonna have to give it another test, put it on weak for an evening, see how it goes
Do we know how ABS weak is programmed? What is it doing to the brakes that default isn’t? Is it applying anti-lock less aggressively?
If you go into the options it gives a brief explanation below. Its stares that default allocates some if the force to the front tyres whereas weak this is disabled....typical PD ambiguous explanation lol but yeah I take it as being a less aggressive intervention and thats kind of how it feels as well.
@@wombleleaderracing6455It explains what it does fairly well. On Default it’s normal ABS behaviour of opening up a blocked wheel, but on top of that if you try to introduce a cornering force on the tyre with too much brake pressure applied it automatically reduces the pressure to “allocate” some of the grip to cornering, basically keeping you in the traction circle. It’s doing your job for you in that respect.
ABS Default favours brake mashing even into the turn in phase.
If you’re used to braking in real life or in other sims where you need to coordinate and blend the releasing of brake pressure with turn in, then you probably won’t notice much difference between Weak versus Default, as you’re not giving it much work to do.
If you get used to and reliant on not needing to blend your steering and braking from using Default, then going to Weak might turn into buckets of corner entry understeer for some.
From looking at your brake modulation you’re driving ABS Default in a way that doesn’t exploit what it offers, so the differences will be more down to subtle effects and being used to the behaviour ABS Weak.
It’s very late and aggressive braking under unstable conditions due to camber or elevation changes, or a car still in the process of shifting load and not yet in a set where the differences really show up.
A good test would be picking a slow corner with a tricky entry from high speed and seeing how late each system can brake and still make the turn in. Not comfortable race pace laps, but ultimate one lap kind of pace where you try to push the braking point one curb stone further each time. Something that would be very difficult for you to achieve every time without nailing the inputs. That’s where the differences will be magnified. Just driving ABS Default in the same way you drive ABS Weak while putting in a race stint isn’t going to highlight much except for what you’re used to already.
I've always used ABS Weak in GT7 just for the sole reason that I'm playing with a gamepad and feeling a trigger for brakes just seems unnatural to me. I really wanna give a decent wheel a go (had a G29 and shifter but it broke) without ABS
Cant say I play on controller but on the brief occasions I do i quite like the implementation on the triggers
ABS off is an interesting challenge but defintely slower and also kills the tyres.
Very interesting 🤔 I will try this with TCS0
Certainly worth giving it a shot Dominic.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 I must say feels a little off but fast with some cars
Not all cars, drive optimal with ABS weak. The MR Cars, generally needs a little tweak when turning. before 1.31, they where a little tail happy. Now its like you can´t get enough rotation. too much understeer
Yeah I can imagine it would vary from car to car...think I used the RS01 at Road Atlanta last weak and found it ok with weak ABS.
Great content 👍
Appreciate that Jamz
Great bit of work there, did you notice any difference in tyre wear? The less sliding in weak might mean slightly better tyre wear? Hoping for a double wammy on this one.
Cheers Prodigy...Tyrewear seemed the same but a few folk asked the same so I did a follow up video testing it...long story short I found tyrewear to be the same.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 I saw (and watched) that one after I'd asked this.. :):) Cheers for the response though.
I see you are running the new AMG meaning you are on v1.32. IMO, they haven't tweaked everything out from the big bop update in v1.31 I imagine, giving it a little time, that feeling you have of abs default grabbing too much will invert. ABS weak should have the grabbing feeling, because the abs system is being suppressed and therefore, the calipers are more likely to lock.
Yeah first 2 test were on 1.31 and 3rd test on 1.32.
Grabbing was probably a bad choice of work. Essentially I felt in certain corners there was a slight reduction in understeer with weak ABS as if it wasn't being quite as intrusive and allowing me to use grip of the front tyres ability more effectively.
As I concluded I think weak is a viable alternative to default now and which you prefer is now a preference rather than definite.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 grabbing is a fitting word. With ABS default, there should be less understeer because ABS is at standard and locking up the front tires should occur less, therefore the understeer should be less. ABS weak, the ABS system has reduced input. Meaning you are more likely to lock up the tires because the ABS has been constrained. More understeer.
*Heads off to test the theory! :)
And failed completely in trying to put down a consistent lap (the perils of driving tired and grumpy...)
Having said that, I definitely felt more control over the brakes with ABS on weak, and mid corner corrections were easier as I felt like the ABS interfered less with the smaller modulated inputs.
Hopefully the fully alert and happy test goes better lol...I defintely think there is something in it...I did another test(video probably out as you read this) at the Redbull ring and the difference through the 2nd to last corner was noticeable straight away in that the car wasn't desperately trying to understeer of the track every lap.
I would love to know the setup you have on that Porsche GT4, it looks very smooth, it's the street version right ?
Sorry its the Group 4 on BOP but it does drive very smoothly.
Nice work 👍 Were you braking differently with weak ABS or notice any difference with tyre wear?
No I was just driving normally mate. Same braking points, same pressure and worked pretty much the same. The car csm get a little loose on the rear at times, bit like having rear brake balance but convinced it had less understeer and more rotation.
Forgot to mention tyrewear in vid but looked similar plus I was using it at Road Atlanta and had no issues with tyres.
Give it a try though...im surprised how nice it feels because in GTS I liked how authentic it felt but was def slower than default.
@@wombleleaderracing6455 Wow, ok. From the way you describe it it sounds great. Will definitely give it a go
@@wombleleaderracing6455 they are getting their aren't they PD
Nice vid as always
Cheers Scottie....not as good as finding a dump in the Belfast though lol 😆
WOMBLE! I'd just noticed this myself only two days ago, and now you've gone and blabbed it to everyone! 😉
Just gauging by eye - it appears that the red area of the braking trace appears shallower in depth. So, if you put your braking amount closer to perfect "threshold braking", should make fuller use of the tyres' grip
I did have a feeling I was revealing a seceret as I did the vid lol.
Interesting il need to look at the brake traces from the replays and see how they differ to each other...I forgot that was a thing that you can actually see how much the ABS is working.
Good stuff. Do you plan revisiting tc after the 1.31 update?
Its definitely a consideration if only to satisfy my own curiosity.
Thank you
Your welcome!
Out of curiosity - were you using a simulator cockpit or just a DualShock?
This was all done on a Logitech G Pro
What about when you try the super formula cars in this game? I turn off abs because they dont have abs in real life but it still gives you the option. Whats best to use?
ABS off will always be slower...so its a choice between default and weak of looking for speed.
What is your setup? Or... Controller?
I'm on wheel, Logitech G Pro...Controller should technically benefit from the same reduction in understeer.
You have to use the same car at all the tracts.
Any particular reason why?
Cheers Ironman!
Weak abs was perfect for me
Nice to hear...cheers
How did you find the tyre wear difference between weak and default?
Pretty much the same. I did a follow up vid that takes a closer look at tyrewear.
Whale maae I gohtta assk, whot es yer faerst laangwedge?
This is known as West Coast Scottish twang lol
What was the difference in tyre wear on each system?
There should be a vid on the channel very shortly from time I post this comment that should answer that nicely!
Im faster with abs weak.. excluding daytona bus stop..
Seems not as big a secret as I thought lol
It was like month after gt7 was out when i tried weak and it just kinda felt better.. i could brake later and got more rotation.. but that daytona bus stop is impossible to get right with abs weak..
Scottish accent?
Indeed it is....it has got me some interesting comments on RUclips 😆