@@Salt_Thunder aka turn of radar lock once you shoot because one thing they are doing in dev server (what I heard) is they are making chaff actually work how it’s supposed to
@@theamericanace5666Russia,China, America, France but what’s the funniest is out of all the araams that are coming out america has the worse (br wise and in my own opinion)
@@Irsongs__? no lmao Only the 120A and 120B are coming...and they have the exact same performance. The only difference irl is that the 120B uses smaller electronics so it wasnt as crammed inside. No changes to motor, fins, radar etc.
It’s the opposite, I feel the aim120 doesn’t do as good, sure if your in a dogfight like this video but from far off you can fire 3-4 and get one kill at most. I feel like the aim 9m is even more deadly now.!
@@drewcarrigan4707 aim9m's and L's really love to open up downwards before tracking, resulting in them hitting the ground if you are trying to launch nose up while keeping you close to multipath threshold. AIM120 go off rails already maneuvering, they even clip through your plane in certain situations.
Although AIM-120 are nice the real nemesis are the MICAs. A Rafale managed to shoot down an attacker that was behind him with a mica. The Mirage 2000 5f can carry 6 of those. Good luck
Luckily gaijin has no idea to impliment the system that was used, otherwise dogfighting would never happen if you had a teamate to get the lock for you.
In modern combat AIM-120C exceeds the capabilities of the MICA (both developed/used in 1996), the range of the AIM-120 at the worst conditions is way longer than the MICAs at the best conditions, i’m sure the real ranges are classified but according to public information. In war thunder tho where there is no combat beyond visual range, AIM-120s won’t be at their full potential. Neither AIM-120 or MICA are made for dog fighting where an enemy could be at your six, AIM-9 and R.550 are made for it…
It's a good thing that they still haven't nailed down thrust vectoring and extreme launch just cause unrecoverable spins, gaijin try to implement something properly challenge impossible
But that only could possibly work in a dogfight, and a pilot would be stupid to use a fox 3 at close range. The 120 far exceeds the range other fox 3s, which is the most important factor, as it is a beyond visual range missile.
I think this is due to the IOG+DL(In Ordnance guidance & Data-Link) capability, meaning that the missile is guided by the plane even if SARH/ARH has not yet been established. Meaning the missile is technically flying blind and is guided by the plane until it can lock on to the target using either Semi-Active or Active Radar Homing. Pretty Neat!
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You dont even have to hold radar lock. The missile has its own internwl guidance too. Itll go to the kaat known position of the target and lock on. Easuoy able to go 180 degrees or more
Here's the thing - stupidly op missiles are how real life works. It will only get worse. If you dont wanna play with it, don't play Top Tier, don't buy premiums/top tier premiums, dont grind for this shit. If they can't matchmake or sell premiums, they won't drop this stuff, or focus all their development on them anymore. As it stands though, people keep wanting things then crying when they arrive.
@@athunderwet I understand that completely i went on a 2 year hiatus which would have continued if I didn't play ace combat and wanted those vehicles in war thunder
So to pull this off you need to keep lock but you can do front aspect or rear aspect and break lock and it will continue on course because active radar homing?
depending on range and missile, that isnt anything special Also if its an R-73, skill issue lmfao. Those things are easy to flare and if you are headon with a Su-27/Mig-29SMT, you already messed up
@@quantumsniper9433 head-ons are easy to win with any US aircraft thanks to the Vulcan. If you can't flare a IRCCM missile in a head-on that's a skill issue
@@ephealtun Its not the not being able to flare thing You can launch the R73 at ranges like 0.5km or 0.3km at a headon, the missile wont even see the flare most of the time and even if it does it still proxy fuses on the plane Vulcans also have piss poor ballistics past 0.5km I say this having spaded the F-16A, F-16C, F-16D, Baz, F-15A, J-11, J-8F. So its not like i dont know what im doing
Wasn't there that video of someone who launched an Aim-120 on aeroturtle and it pulled 270 degrees???
I’m pretty sure it was the aa-4 or r77 maybe the French fox 3
No it was a 120. Its a short you can see
I would believe an AAM-4 cause of the G’s it can pull
@@KilaWestGamingthe mica ems are op they pull 50g its the first radar missile in the game to have thrust vectoring
Tbf the AIM-120C is better than the AIM-9M if I remember correctly
There are people doing this without radar lock because chaff actually works against 120s so radar won’t lose and still tracks it’s insane
chaff wont work if you use it right
@@Salt_Thunder aka turn of radar lock once you shoot because one thing they are doing in dev server (what I heard) is they are making chaff actually work how it’s supposed to
@@Irsongs__oh great another “balancing thing” that everyone but the us is gonna love
@@theamericanace5666Russia,China, America, France but what’s the funniest is out of all the araams that are coming out america has the worse (br wise and in my own opinion)
@@Irsongs__? no lmao
Only the 120A and 120B are coming...and they have the exact same performance. The only difference irl is that the 120B uses smaller electronics so it wasnt as crammed inside. No changes to motor, fins, radar etc.
I like how fox 3 are more maneuverable that 9m now
It’s the opposite, I feel the aim120 doesn’t do as good, sure if your in a dogfight like this video but from far off you can fire 3-4 and get one kill at most. I feel like the aim 9m is even more deadly now.!
@@drewcarrigan4707tell me you have no fucking clue how to use aim-120s without telling me you don’t know how to use aim-120s
@@drewcarrigan4707 aim9m's and L's really love to open up downwards before tracking, resulting in them hitting the ground if you are trying to launch nose up while keeping you close to multipath threshold. AIM120 go off rails already maneuvering, they even clip through your plane in certain situations.
Although AIM-120 are nice the real nemesis are the MICAs. A Rafale managed to shoot down an attacker that was behind him with a mica. The Mirage 2000 5f can carry 6 of those. Good luck
Luckily gaijin has no idea to impliment the system that was used, otherwise dogfighting would never happen if you had a teamate to get the lock for you.
In modern combat AIM-120C exceeds the capabilities of the MICA (both developed/used in 1996), the range of the AIM-120 at the worst conditions is way longer than the MICAs at the best conditions, i’m sure the real ranges are classified but according to public information. In war thunder tho where there is no combat beyond visual range, AIM-120s won’t be at their full potential. Neither AIM-120 or MICA are made for dog fighting where an enemy could be at your six, AIM-9 and R.550 are made for it…
It's a good thing that they still haven't nailed down thrust vectoring and extreme launch just cause unrecoverable spins, gaijin try to implement something properly challenge impossible
@@gage6651The MICA NG is sure to be even more cracked than the current MICAs though.
But that only could possibly work in a dogfight, and a pilot would be stupid to use a fox 3 at close range. The 120 far exceeds the range other fox 3s, which is the most important factor, as it is a beyond visual range missile.
Top tier finna be crazy
„Finna“
It’s been madness now since modern 4th gen jets were added.
you gotta try the mica… its like the aim 120 on steroids
The missile guided system will be happy
Imagine how the iris t would turn
Pretty much the only missile getting kills at top tier
Gaijin has no idea what balance is
I think this is due to the IOG+DL(In Ordnance guidance & Data-Link) capability, meaning that the missile is guided by the plane even if SARH/ARH has not yet been established.
Meaning the missile is technically flying blind and is guided by the plane until it can lock on to the target using either Semi-Active or Active Radar Homing.
Pretty Neat!
Imagine when the meteor missile gets added
Hell nah it got the range of a phenox and the technology of aim120 missile
Most realistic War Thunder interaction
Derby is pulling 200+ degrees perfectly fine on the live server
Americans when they have missile with more than 30 g:
Yeah because gaijin has to keep American stuff nerfed or else America would be to OP
@@AjEdwexactly if they did stuff based on timelines they the Americans would get the 120C at around the same time the Russians get the R77
@@Vipbossguy balance? Haha, no, not in war thunder 😂
Russia when they get a missile that isn’t a complete failure
Why people hate on U.S tech tree so hard. It's okay when they have broken missile, but we get one and suddenly
These Missiles are Crazy good
The radar lock didnt do anything since you fired from the Baz Meshupar (Israeli F-15C) which doesn't have any DL channels
Btw the aim 120 has radar in and will remember were the enemy was flying to and will continue to turn until it locks someone up
yeah that's a fox-3 like the aim-54
me 150ft from the deck: I also love it here
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The AAM-4 is a fairly different missile than the AMRAAM, but still a pretty cool thing
Btw this is actually the missile doing this itself since the Israeli has meshupar can’t DL to missiles
The PL-12 does the same thing but is less likely to spin out
Never understand how somebody finds this fun.
AIM-120 can track the target them selves just by lunching the missile, they're fox 3
"Dodge a missile *pulling 30Gs* "
the missile knows.
Phly showed that it will do a full 180 😂
Lore accurate aim 120
To be fair, that was a pretty slow target. Still impressive
This out pulls my 50g r77…TF?
Yeah... The AIM120 will not do that...
"A Little bit too effective missle"
r77 has 20 g more btw
@@AbgehobenGHG What is even a r77 Did you mean r73?
@@Aviation_Poland watch the devserver its new rusian missile
@@Aviation_Poland R-77 vympel, soviet fox 3
@@AbgehobenGHGthe amx a-1A have a missile that is the MAA-1 Piranha have 45G
Good ol' Baz action for you
Laughing in Mica
R73, welcome to the club rookie
The fact you have to hold lock on a fox 3. Makes me a little sad
Excellent, another way I can get killed in my F-111 when uptiered
Ah yes they pull harder than r73
I can’t believe the improved baz won’t be getting the derby’s smh
bro my reaction was instantly: WHAAAATTT
i did this in a real game on accident with a mica and a f-15j(M)
wait til u see the micas, and the AAM-4
You dont even have to hold radar lock.
The missile has its own internwl guidance too.
Itll go to the kaat known position of the target and lock on.
Easuoy able to go 180 degrees or more
😂 Top tier now a Missile Simulator
Keep it at 12.3
Micas do that in half the time
U don't neet to hold the Radar lock
Only for Launching
Keep them locked lmao
You actually don’t need to keep the radar lock because the missile has its own radar
U dont even need to keep the lock since it has its own radar
Wait till the aim 120 D gets added
And the f/a 18
Other than the tomcat in the vid, are there any other jets armed with the 120s
Here's the thing - stupidly op missiles are how real life works.
It will only get worse. If you dont wanna play with it, don't play Top Tier, don't buy premiums/top tier premiums, dont grind for this shit.
If they can't matchmake or sell premiums, they won't drop this stuff, or focus all their development on them anymore.
As it stands though, people keep wanting things then crying when they arrive.
Can’t wait to play my 11.3 then get uptierd to 12.3 and get even more railed by f16 and f15’s
you dont even need to keep the radar locked
For the AIM 120’s it seems like it does otherwise it only pulls maybe 90-100 degrees before pitbulling off
@@KilaWestGaming keep up the good work dawg and ya thats fairy true
@@KilaWestGaming if you dont do reserv to top teir for germany leo 2 tree u gay
Laugh in mica em
Wish my aim120 did these instead of shitting themselves
They super nerfed the 120’s. I can’t even snipe with them anymore. They were more fun on release but now they are shit.
Well I hate it here I play MiG 21s to learn top tier and all I hear is beep beep beep beep beep from my rwr
Just look up what the AIM-9x can do...
i fucked up for having 180k rp left for my mig 29 and it not gonna be in time for new update
Yikes you didn't get the fun of just only having radar missles to worry about
@@daitsukishiro1505 i got it in time but the fucking problem is i lost passion for the game
@@athunderwet I understand that completely i went on a 2 year hiatus which would have continued if I didn't play ace combat and wanted those vehicles in war thunder
It shouldnt be possible if the enemy uses chaff. at some point that missile and player will be tangential to the enemy and lose dopler lock
I literally get kill without holding the locked it surprises because by them I'm already
RTB
But the missile is pitbul at that distance.....
God am I glad I don’t have top tier
Top tier with these will be even more unplayable than it already is
Hey kila, I’ve been thinking about buying a jet to help with the USA air grind. I’m tied in getting either the F-5C or F-4S. What do you recommend?
Now try the MICA lmao
Nerfed the very mext day
Nah its American they won't do that
r-77 in common
DCS paly it at this point why not
Aim 120 doesnt pull g's
G's pull aim 120's💀
Dont 120s have on-board radar systems?
What if it does s 360 grind turn?
Isn't the R77 better? It pulls more than the AIM 120.
If the Aim 120 pull so good, how good would the MICAs pull?
kilawest do you edge to baby gronk
You shouldn't need the lock, doesn't it auto guide within 15k?
But my phantom deserves to compete with this 😐
Why would you need to continue locking if its a fox 3?
So to pull this off you need to keep lock but you can do front aspect or rear aspect and break lock and it will continue on course because active radar homing?
And its only 35G missile, what R77 can do!!!!! (its 50G)
Why do you have to maintain lock with a 120? It’s a fox 3 right?
but if I split the throttle and you don't no how to i can do a 180 faster that you can that missle can't turn that fast😅
Does that green square indicate a radar lock?
Yes seems you have not touched top tier
Does the f15c have a good airframe for dogfighting?
the aim can auto lock when its 15 km near i think, so why still locking?
I have a clip of a Soviet missile pulling a 90° turn and hitting me
And?
depending on range and missile, that isnt anything special
Also if its an R-73, skill issue lmfao. Those things are easy to flare and if you are headon with a Su-27/Mig-29SMT, you already messed up
@@quantumsniper9433 head-ons are easy to win with any US aircraft thanks to the Vulcan. If you can't flare a IRCCM missile in a head-on that's a skill issue
@@ephealtun Its not the not being able to flare thing
You can launch the R73 at ranges like 0.5km or 0.3km at a headon, the missile wont even see the flare most of the time and even if it does it still proxy fuses on the plane
Vulcans also have piss poor ballistics past 0.5km
I say this having spaded the F-16A, F-16C, F-16D, Baz, F-15A, J-11, J-8F. So its not like i dont know what im doing
Almost all missiles can reach 90°, I don't know what surprises you
u don’t have to have a radar lock bc it’s a fox3 right?
Is this really a thing you can pull in an arb game though, you shot at a sub-sonic, one directional ai plane that cant even chaff.
R77 has 50 i think
Just turn a little
Damm, I need the f16 screw the german mig 29g
when is it coming
hey im new to the top br jet scene, why does the aim-9e suck so bad
Cus it's the worst fox 1
It can watch areoturtle
nice video good shot 😊😊😊😊
Kila is a dev server guy ?🤨 just kiding 😅 you couldent wait hah
I had to see what all the talk was about and if it was going to be broken
Poor you, you went on reddit are you OK?