1000 Mile Aptera Is Perfect For Cold Weather !
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there was a guy who interviewed a few of those people.. they werent charging at home and instead elected to supercharge first thing in the morning.. they didnt precondition the batteries for super charging. They showed up with frozen batteries hence the painfully slow charge times. If you cant charge at home then dont buy an EV
Cannot charge at home, but can charge at work! Definitely will work owning an ev!
That doesn’t make any sense to buy a EV and not charge it at home . 😳
@freepower1082 no, but there are people who can't charge at home.
@@garywozniak7742 I suspect charging will eventually become more common at apartments, but so far not yet. For now IMO, it's a bad idea to buy an EV unless you have some reliable access to your own plug at work, home, etc. Public charging is not yet ubiquitous enough to make up for that. The Aptera would of course be an exception with its solar charging, especially the 600+ range versions. 🙂
@@paulrybarczyk5013 If you can plug it into a 110V outlet it's enough to at least keep the battery warm. It's been a long time since I rented an apartment, but in all but one of them I could've plugged into an outlet. It won't get you much mileage but it will make sure you're not stuck at a supercharger for an hour waiting on your frozen battery.
I drove to Florida in cold weather, and I am a speeder and stopped about every 250 miles. Aptera has no heat pump and a much smaller battery the heater will use much more. And I have ordered an Aptera also.I have never had an issue charging in the cold .
I remember there was lot of discussion about this when this freeze happened. It's worth the reminder that you do have to be more proactive when driving an EV in the cold. Much of it came down to operator error. Drivers didn't realize they needed to precondition their battery, and that was taking 30 or so minutes to warm the battery up to operating temperature before charging could even start. But there is loss of range too, ehich compounded the problem, because people were not keeping their battery topped up and the ran put of charge.
There are really three causes of the range loss. The first is the air is denser, and thus hsrder to push aside. This happens to all cars, ICE included. There's nothing Aptera can do about it, although they do move the air less, so they don't have quite as much drag in the cold as a less aerodynamic car would. But range is still lost, and it's still about the same percentage.
The second is, as you said, an EV has to generate heat to keep you warm, as well as move the vehicle. That uses up range. You can warm just the seats, ehich sabes energy, but most people want to keep warm, so they'll use the energy if they have it in the battery. ICE cars generate a lot of wasted heat, so it's nothing to use that heat to keep the passengers warm. An EV can save all that wasted heat in the summer but in the winter your energy use would go up closer to an ICE car.
Aptera also has the advantage here because carbon fiber is very thermally resistant. It's a thermos. It doesn't take a lot of energy to warm the passenger compartment once it is warm because the heat doesn't leak out through the body. There will be an initial high energy cost to preheat the passenger compartment but then the energy cost will go down while you're driving.
The final energy cost is that the battery and motors have to be warned up too. And I think this is where the Aptera reslly stands out. If the battery is frozen, not only can it not be charged, as mentioned above, but it loses a lot of capacity. That capacity can be gained back when the battery earms up, but if your battery freezes and you drop below 0% charge, you've got norhing to warm it up. This is what happened in Chicago and why people were saying that the cold drained their batteries. It didn't, but they had to plug into a power source to "free up" that lost charge.
But Aptera carries around its own power source! 😂 As long as the sun is out, the Aptera can't run out of charge. It can always generate enough power to run the battery heating system and warm it up. In fact, there's really no reason for the battery to ever be frozen, unless it's left out overnight. Since the battery a and motors work better when they're at operating temperature, there's no reason the solar power shouldn't go to warming the battery first. The motors should generate enough heat to warm themselves, but the battery should be kept above freezing even when the Aptera's just sitting there. The extra solar power couldn't be stored in the battery if it wasn't.
The kast time this came up, I expressed concern about whether heat from the battery might be lost through the belly pan. That could still be a problem, but Altera has said that there will be a winter kit, and I guessing it will address that problem. Either way, as with the passenger compartment once the battery is warmed up, it should or could be insulated from the outside air and not take that much energy to maintain that temperature. Just a trickle for m the solsr cells should be enough.
The opposite it true as well, of course. In the summer, in desert climates you want to dump that heat as fast as you can.
I'm in Florida. It's really really perfect for here too
You have it made . 😎
Winter ,spring, summer and fall here we go. Even if you have to plug in.
Hay marcmayou that’s absolutely right man ! 😎
Its a good thing that man is warming the atmosphere so should be a problem for long.
Aptly named account.
should be fine in southeast Texas where i live
The carbon BinC is supposedly a very good insulator and the cabin doesn't take much energy to stay warm. Now there are other issues like ice interfering with the motors.
I’m sure they will be testing on it . 😎
You might be right 😊
Not really a comment on your video, but I love looking at those frame shots. Everybody is hyped up on the BINC and i also appreciate that, but the frame design is beautiful to me!
Awesome! Thank you!😎
Glad it does not get that cold where I live.
It doesn’t get that cold here either . 😎
My mom in Ohio has a Leaf and she hasn't had a problem with battery drain in the cold. She tells me that it happens but isn't too big of issue. My only cold weather concern around Aptera is how the real wheel is going to handle the hard packed ice that forms in the center of the lane after snow and a long, deep freeze. I remember living up north how much that would affect my car if I let the wheels bump up against it at speed. I don't have to deal with that where I live now, but I would like to take the Aptera up into the mountains for some snowy car camping. Oh well, time will tell!
Then it'd be good if aptera has heated seats and heated steering wheel. Those are the most efficient ways to keep warm without heating the entire cabin. Personally, I'll also Wait for a version with a heat pump for my annual four to five cold Chicago winter months.
I would love to have that as well , heated seats and steering wheel would be very nice to have . 😎
Heated seats were confirmed, they are aware of the desire for heated yoke, but not currently planned. Could change.
I believe that Aptera is well insulated so I hope it doesn't take long to heat it up so it doesn't suffer major range anxiety.
That would really be great 😎
Yeah it doesn’t appear to be insulated at all. Plus the doors may freeze shut.
@@The_El_Barto So long as the space is closed and not open, and the materials surrounding it are not good conductors of heat they act as insulators. It helps if they have baffles inside to minimize heat flow in the gas through movement.
Haha people don’t understand that what needs to be warmed if it’s cold outside, it’s the battery. If it’s cold outside you must keep the car plugged in and preheating before you even try to supercharge. So plan to drive for 1 hour before reaching a SuC if battery is cold. As long as the battery is warm there is no big difference in charging time or range. This goes for the Aptera also.
I want to see Aptera’s real world 1000 mile vehicles. Happy I won’t get my reservation at least two years after production start
That’s why I getting the 600 mile version , I don’t want to be waiting too long for my vehicle . 😎
@@freepower1082
Why should you wait, you are getting the Aptera for free because of all your videos
yes.... me too. I would rather wait a while, see what the actually DO produce, as now most is just an engineer's dream. My reservation is for 600 miles, but still several years away from a delivery date Im sure. By then, maybe they will have their early kinks ironed out.
The Chicago cold snap is probably responsible for the decline in EV sales.
I can't afford the 1,000-mile battery variant, but if I could, the only reason is postponing charges. It's the same logic of getting a bigger battery for any use whether mobile devices or back-up. Yes it adds weight, but so what, we can't have things for free. It's just me in the car - I don't care that it doesn't have four tires, Aptera looks like a car on the inside to me.
Same. I'm going for the 600 mile variant because the 1000 mile is to expensive for me but that's the one I want
That’s what I’m going for also , the 600 mile version . 😎
You forget the missing heat pump!!
definitely need the heat pump . 😎
The Squad Solar has panels on the roof and they say it generatew enough for 12 km per day in the Netherlands. That's a micro car that can cover 12 miles per kWh. Aptera could generate enough for about 10 km a day but that's assuming that their 10 miles per kWh claims are true. And that's assuming that the Aptera will ever exist. My prediction is that in two years from now (April 2026) it will not exist as a production vehicle.
Aptera have no evidence on their 10 miles per kWh claims and no evidence of a vehicle that could cover 1000 miles.
If Aptera was not reasonably close to meeting 10 miles per kWh with Gamma, they would have noticed it by now. While they have not given us actual numbers, it will be easy enough to look at the BMS on a PI model and see how many miles per kWh it is getting.
Certainly once an Accelerator has received an actual car, they can actually test the estimates against their real world performance. And Accelerators are supposed to get their vehicle even before full scale production begins.
Too many blanket and conditional statements with no regard for battery types.
Needs tech editing.
I agree a bigger battery is a factor but more to it than that.
all the gremlins are showing themselves about some/most electric cars...be aware of what your buying and its limitations...kinda like getting married...'for better or worse'...
That’s a good one , but very true . 😎
I own an ev, and a 4x4 v8, and a diesel, and 2 prius. and a v6 cargo can (ok so half of these barely work) but owning an EV is NOT a binary choice. I would never tow at distance with my EV (but the incentive on fuel savings is high) I will say as my newest and most reliable car the ev does get about 90% of the usage however.
Pop the hatch, stretch the tent and get comfy in the back of you Aptera while you wait. I gotta wait 2 hours? Okay cool that's just enough time to watch a movie. I cannot wait for some good cold weather cross-country road trips in my Aptera. I saw a video where Steve Wallis made a meatloaf in his car on a road trip using a 12V oven and it was inspiring.
So yeah if you ever need to wait a few hours for a charger in the middle of Kansas, with a small amount of planning it can be a relaxing, pleasant time. No pressure, go use the bathroom, put on something interesting to watch and have a nice dinner while you wait. There is enough room in the back of your Aptera to make a very comfortable tiny camper once you pop the hatch. It only takes a couple of minutes tops to rig the tent, and the rest is just arranging your pillows and blankets while you sit in the car with the heat blasting. Your biggest worry is deciding what to watch. I suggest Stargate SG-1.
I've thought this through quite a bit and I have elaborate plans for campermaxxing my Aptera and I'm sure I'm not alone. Here's hoping that we all get our cars soon so we can start brainstorming! I am really eager to compare notes with other crazy people like myself!