Even before you explained the ships' build and cargo, I had one thought. Her freeboard was poor. Fine on the canal but atrocious for the Great Lakes. When you consider poor freeboard and overladen with cargo, she was doomed. The lack of proper scuppers to drain the main deck was criminal. Just another example of the owners' financial scruples, or lack of, coupled with a new captain who probably dare not say no. 😢❤😢
@davidcustard9311 I research them beforehand. I have a big book of shipwrecks on the Great lakes aswell. And especially like you said, if they aren't well known, which ALOT of shipwrecks aren't. Also I stick to ones that unfortunately lost some or all of the crew members on the Lakes. All to respect and honor them that they never be forgotten.
@@SONGSOFTHEGREATLAKES3122have you read any Frederick Stonehouse books? They're great reads, with tons of wrecks & storms. I need to find my old copies again....
This reminded me of a photograph I saw of a Russian cargo ship so grossly overloaded with cement that its weatherdeck was awash even before she departed! I couldn't imagine how the Captain and Crew could allow their ship to set off in such a dangerous condition! They obviously understood the danger they had put themselves into, yet still they did it! The Captain and Crew of the incident vessel feared losing their jobs, yet they apparently gave no thought that departing so grossly overloaded with rail lines into a storm would cost them their lives! In their horrific, terrifying final moments I wonder if they acknowledged that they'd done this to themselves, guaranteeing that their ship, Crew and cargo would all be lost due to their utter contempt for their own safety... There appears to be no shortage of such people, setting off in dangerously unseaworthy ships, into known storms, never to be seen alive again. Not even modern safety legislation and rigorously enforced procedures protect against the most recklessly dangerous Captains and Crews, like those on El Faro...
Also a sad fact is the storm fllags were raised at the soo locks just after the noble and norwock had sailed out of sight. My understanding is they locked thru together Total speculation on my part but I wonder if the norouck followed the noble the first day out of concern for her then passing her after rounding the point knowing there is no place to hid from a storm in that part of the lake. It has been estimated the nobel would only mak about 8 knots riding that low ib the water. Thanks for doing this story on my favorite ship wreck !!
It's the monster-like machines used to unload the freighters prior to the self unloader. They were steel, steam driven driven and the operator actually rode inside the articulated arm, just above the bucket . These arms dipped down inside the freighter to scoop taconite/coal. They looked like giant black widows belching smoke and steam . The last remaining upright Hewletts were in Conneaut Ohio ar the P&C docks. I saw them in the early nineties as they were being dismantled. The Hewlett is a A huge part of the lake history. I believe they were developed by a man named Charles Hewlett from Cleveland. A couple of dismantled units were shipped to Cleveland ,the thought being a working history Museum. I believe the project recently collapsed the remaining Hewletts sold for scrap .
@@artmccartan4911now that's very interesting and a huge part of the Great Lakes ships history and something that I can look into adding in the future!
@@artmccartan4911was there one in Marquette? I seem to remember something like that when I lived there as a kid in the early 80's, along with the giant ore-loading pier/dock.
@maxnikolenko2302 no coast guard regulations back then, which I can't believe they would still be okay with that and sail out into superior that overloaded.
Even before you explained the ships' build and cargo, I had one thought. Her freeboard was poor. Fine on the canal but atrocious for the Great Lakes. When you consider poor freeboard and overladen with cargo, she was doomed.
The lack of proper scuppers to drain the main deck was criminal.
Just another example of the owners' financial scruples, or lack of, coupled with a new captain who probably dare not say no. 😢❤😢
Your mic problems are overshadowed by how great your video is. Dont worry about it.
Another excellent video, looking forward to the next 😊
Fantastic video as usual can't wait for the next one keep it up
Excellent story! How do you decide on what ships to do? I like the fact you do lesser known lakers.
@davidcustard9311 I research them beforehand. I have a big book of shipwrecks on the Great lakes aswell. And especially like you said, if they aren't well known, which ALOT of shipwrecks aren't. Also I stick to ones that unfortunately lost some or all of the crew members on the Lakes. All to respect and honor them that they never be forgotten.
@@SONGSOFTHEGREATLAKES3122have you read any Frederick Stonehouse books? They're great reads, with tons of wrecks & storms. I need to find my old copies again....
@anaxis I have not, but after looking him up, I'd say it couldn't hurt to check out some of his books, thanks!
This reminded me of a photograph I saw of a Russian cargo ship so grossly overloaded with cement that its weatherdeck was awash even before she departed!
I couldn't imagine how the Captain and Crew could allow their ship to set off in such a dangerous condition!
They obviously understood the danger they had put themselves into, yet still they did it!
The Captain and Crew of the incident vessel feared losing their jobs, yet they apparently gave no thought that departing so grossly overloaded with rail lines into a storm would cost them their lives!
In their horrific, terrifying final moments I wonder if they acknowledged that they'd done this to themselves, guaranteeing that their ship, Crew and cargo would all be lost due to their utter contempt for their own safety...
There appears to be no shortage of such people, setting off in dangerously unseaworthy ships, into known storms, never to be seen alive again.
Not even modern safety legislation and rigorously enforced procedures protect against the most recklessly dangerous Captains and Crews, like those on El Faro...
Also a sad fact is the storm fllags were raised at the soo locks just after the noble and norwock had sailed out of sight. My understanding is they locked thru together Total speculation on my part but I wonder if the norouck followed the noble the first day out of concern for her then passing her after rounding the point knowing there is no place to hid from a storm in that part of the lake. It has been estimated the nobel would only mak about 8 knots riding that low ib the water. Thanks for doing this story on my favorite ship wreck !!
Thanks for recognizing those long lost sailors and the ship they went down with. Look forward to your storytelling. How about a story on the Hewletts?
@artmccartan4911 I'm not familiar with that, is it a shipwreck or crew?
It's the monster-like machines used to unload the freighters prior to the self unloader. They were steel, steam driven driven and the operator actually rode inside the articulated arm, just above the bucket . These arms dipped down inside the freighter to scoop taconite/coal. They looked like giant black widows belching smoke and steam . The last remaining upright Hewletts were in Conneaut Ohio ar the P&C docks. I saw them in the early nineties as they were being dismantled. The Hewlett is a A huge part of the lake history. I believe they were developed by a man named Charles Hewlett from Cleveland. A couple of dismantled units were shipped to Cleveland ,the thought being a working history Museum. I believe the project recently collapsed the remaining Hewletts sold for scrap .
@@artmccartan4911now that's very interesting and a huge part of the Great Lakes ships history and something that I can look into adding in the future!
@@artmccartan4911was there one in Marquette? I seem to remember something like that when I lived there as a kid in the early 80's, along with the giant ore-loading pier/dock.
@anaxis not sure about Marquette but if it was an ore dock more than likely
Another great one. Can't wait for the next!
If this boat could not fit all the freight. Meaning they would have to make a 2nd trip anyway, then why let the boat get so ovwrloaded?
@maxnikolenko2302 no coast guard regulations back then, which I can't believe they would still be okay with that and sail out into superior that overloaded.
forecastle= pronounced Fok'sle
@HistoricGentleman thank you haha 😅 these names test me all the time on correct pronunciation.
Finally some new stories, not ones I've heard before. Great job 👍👍.
That's hard to come by, and yet he pulled it off. 👍