VFX Artists React 97: Gollum, Green Knight, Alita Battle Angel
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
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00:00 In This Episode...
00:27 CoPilot
02:26 Welcome to VFX Artists React
02:56 Lord of the Rings: Gollum
07:38 Alita: Battle Angel
11:01 The Green Knight
13:17 Pete's Dragon
16:24 The Future of VFX
17:37 Thanks For Watching 
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Please do a video on AI by DreamWorks ive never seen anyone talk about it. CGI bear goes crazy hard. Love to see you guys break it down.
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I like how they're saying that "Leave us a comment on what you want to see next" and 99% they ignore them and they decide for themselves. I posted in every of their videos to cover Catwoman 2004 and they don't give 2 F's.
Gollum scene remake competition
Making it "technically" better
i would love to see an episode of "sound designers react".. thats such a underrated area of film
great idea
It's hard to appreciate sound with RUclips compression and most people listening on phones
They should definitely have Kevin senzaki on if they ever pursue this idea.
Get Ben Burtt on that joint
MAKE IT HAPPEN
I can't get over how good LotR and Gollum looks after all this time. He looks so real and "physical". Even with the flaws pointed out it still doesn't break the immersion at all for me, which is... not something that usually happens.
I can definitely see the first few scenes in the first movie with Gollum interacting with the other characters is a little rougher than the last one, but man knowing that they basically figured things out as they went is mindblowing haha
I still look At Jurassic Park and think vfx can’t be any better even with today’s technology.
@@Kjleed13 it is man. It’s just time crunch and lack of practical effects
Watched them alla gain in cinema in 2019 and was blown away, not only how much good they still look, but even how much better they look than many modern Marvel or Disney movies. These three movies really were peak cinema.
@@ForboJack It's the mix of CGI and highly detailed "bigatures" that grounds it so well. Same reason Jurassic Park still looks amazing today - because they mixed cleverly staged CGI shots (e.g. the high contrast and rain) with their life-size animatronics to successfully ground the animals in the shot. Marvel movies entirely lack this magic. I've yet to see a single shot in a single Marvel film that makes me stop and ask "whoa, how'd they make that look so good?"
LOTR is on another level...it's just perfect...something that will never be done again
Alita is such an underrated VFX masterpiece. Hope they get those sequels going soon! Deserves it so much!
They probably should've kept the eyes natural though
It's such a great movie
@@silverblue73why did they do that to the eyes😂 why her eyes but no one else's? Why doesn't she have her massive beautiful weird hair but she gets the weird eyes?
@@dustinakadustin other cyborgs from her squad had big eyes too, their series feature.
@@RomanKutsovolOriginal well that's slightly better, still don't love it. The big eyes aren't a factor of her being a cyborg, it's just the art style, like Ido has a massive chin and tiny eyes in the manga but they didn't CGI Christoph Waltz' face.
To me, Alita’s bigger eyes lessened the uncanny valley effect. You can see she is not a normal human. So, you are more accepting of little weirdness. And of course on the whole she is made f-ing amazing.
I've heard an interesting theory that the "uncanny valley" doesn't exist. We're not disturbed by characters because they look slightly unrealistic. We're only disturbed by characters if they look "diseased". If their unrealistic features are lifeless eyes, pallid skin, or stiff movement, then that's disturbing to us. But if their unrealistic feature are slightly oversized eyes, then most people just think that looks weirdly cute.
I think it just hits home the whole "cute little thing" vibe despite moments like "Oh shit did she just kick a fucking sword into concrete?"
@@andybrice2711 I'd phrase it differently: We are very good at picking up minute details and extrapolating to their reasons. For big differences, it's no problem at all---when we see a puppet, it's a puppet. But when it is supposed to be a real human face and there are just some tiny things off, it becomes different. The best case is that our brains say "oh, cgi, fine". But all to often the unconscious explanation is "demon, diseased, disfigured". And all of those trigger a fear survival response in us.
its extremely uncanny still lol
@@HenryLoenwind id go even further to suggest that the uncanny valley doesn't only refer to human faces; for example, if i see some well done taxidermy that has a few minor inconsistencies you cant put a finger on, i would suggest that falls under the uncanny banner. That doesn't define fear in my experience and is very rarely from a place of 'that looks demonic or diseased'. Just 'not quite right' promotes a feeling of curiosity within me, like why? Definately an interesting concept and i have a feeling it interacts VERY strongly with people on the adhd/autism spectrum.
The man won an oscar!
(good ending)
Can you tell me who is he?
I mean the NAME
@@alive5150 his name is “the man”
@@Xerrea lol
@@alive5150 Eric Saindon
Jordan just gained ALOT of fans this episode lol
😂😂😂😂
Yeh
Not to be too creepy, but god damned she is hot.😮
oh so true
She is built like a college track and field athlete.
I always thought she was cute, but had no idea she was in shape like that.
I watched the lotr trilogy again recently and man it's incredible how well Gollum has held up, there are definitely some rough shadows in the two towers where he looks a bit floaty, but the actual animation of the face and character is incredible
Yeah shadows, especially at the point of contact, and the occasional bit of sliding. Otherwise they did a fantastic job. One of the best bits of CGI of all time, especially with how well they lit him and made him look a part of the scene, rather than clearly comped in as was a common flaw at the time
Going along the same lines, I'd argue that much of Jurassic Park still holds up pretty well today.
That flaw in Gollums hair was unintentional hyper-realism. Those of us with problematic hair suffer from real life bkocky hair movement. In Jurassic park, I was always most impressed at the moment the skin texture changes to the animation computer logo, as an easter egg. Also, I think the park central computer was the same brand, though I suspect they used an actor for the underpaid nerd character instead of a real life computer genius .
Considering the films were released in 01, 02 and 03 and ESPECIALLY when you consider 90% of 2023 productions cant hold a candle to them. in an odd way i havnt quite worked out yet; I think the older cameras that were used in lotr MASSIVELY helped disguise some of the work they did. the extra grainyness of the film seemed to blend things a lot more. With these new uhd super res cameraa everything has to be literally pixel perfect or it will be seen and honestly, if the hobbit series was shot in the same way i dont think any of the 'mistakes' would be any where near as noticable.
I worked on yesterday's episode of Mandalorian and I gotta say, most big shots where the volume is visible, we still had to roto it out. It helps soooo much with integration, but the levels don't quite match. Not to mention that sometimes the edge of the LED screens were visible. They just gave us the Unreal Engine renders that were used on set to replace it. Worked flawlessly.
did you have to roto out the ENTIRE screen or just closer to the edges?
@@cjc1212 well we didn;t have to do it ourselves, it was outsourced somewhere else, but pretty much all of the fg stuff (characters and/or part of the set) was roto'd out. in those cases, the entire BG was replaced, leaving virtually no part of the LED screens visible in the shot.
Either we didn't replace it at all, or we replaced it entirely.
Man I would love it if they made more Alita battle angel movies.
I might be in the minority but I liked it as just one film. If you were invested in the plot you could read the manga or if it didn't work for you, move on from it altogether.
Yep! Hopefully we get some without too much of The Message injected.
the producer of the 1st movie told in an interview they already preparing for the 2nd movie, so hopefully will happen!
Supposedly both Cameron and Rodriguez are _really_ itching to do another one, and they're trying to get the suits to buy in - it's Disney now instead of Fox, so things have changed a lot.
It's an incredibly good looking film, especially in 4K
Holy moly, Jordan is fit. Getting me motivated to work out lmao.
Jordan’s doing awesome and Christian’s done so well and has come so far! So proud of them!
Who is jordan. Im watching their channel but I don't know their names who is who
@@Greed97 The fit one.
@@Greed97 The woman in the sponsored segment. She usually does most of the sponsored stuff in their shows.
@@Greed97 The one that comes when he goes "Hey, Jordan!" Seems pretty self explanatory lol
Thanks again guys. Great editing makes me not look so silly 😊
You killed it! Thanks for coming on and sharing your experiences
Legend ❤
you are a wizard!
dude, jordan. you can't just do that to us. i was not prepared omg
I really wish Alita got more love in the theaters. Would have been great to see a second movie.
Cameron and Rodriguez swore a blood oath to make it recently and Landau said he spoke to Rosa Salazar and Rodriguez the last couple of weeks so hopefully it goes ahead soon!
Cameron and Rodriguez swore a blood oath to make it recently and Landau said he spoke to Rosa Salazar and Rodriguez the last couple of weeks so hopefully it goes ahead soon!
@@Vladdie777 That's cool to hear. I really loved Alita, and I am always treated as the crazy person for saying it was really good.
Let’s hope that Cameron convinces Disney to use part of those 2 billion+ that Avatar 2 made to finance it lol
it was such a sick movie
It's always a great when you guys have folks from Weta. They're all just so cool, so experienced, and so well informed. Eric was a real treat.
Gollum still looks so damn good now. Would love to see more Alita Battle Angel movies too!
Battle Angle still holds up, really hope we will get a sequel one day!
Still holds up? It came out less than 4 years ago.
@@Stevenwave- Fair enough, but still an excellent movie with excellent effects!
@@Stevenwave-much better vfx than any marvel movies
Talking about Lord of the Rings, there's a take from The Two Towers when a warg is about to attack Gimli that blows my mind to this day, his fur blowing in the wind and illuminated by the sun is unbelievable.
Hell yes! Alita Battle Angel is underrated!
it was a really good movie!
No, its not
i think it came at a wrong time, it would be way more popular if it came out now.
@@Clouds23x it wouldve been more popular if it was a good movie lol
@Sean V lmao wtf film did you watch?! it was so good!
Gollum is such an iconic case of groundbreaking effects not being enough but an incredible performance being the soul of an animated character
looking at Zapan after reading the Manga gives me PTSD flashbacks, man I hope that the second movie gets made someday, it would be so sick to see the world of Alitia again and I hope that these guys are the ones doing it cause they did an amazing job on the first film. It is one of my favorite movies to this day along with being my favorite Manga that've read as of recently.
I thought you said zipang at first haha, which is damn good, an alternate history ww2 manga where a modern japanese destroyer is sent back and doesnt want to side with the imperial forces and has more in common with the allies but tries to stay neutral
I'm reading the manga at the moment and loving it, I haven't watched the film yet but Zapan is so disappointing looking aside from the great VFX.
For the 100th episode, would you consider reacting to a lot of your old videos and diving into how you made them with the technology you worked with back then, and how it differs?
Nah, i hour react live of sum
VFX artist react to good and bad VFX of their old work?
No
We still want that Alita sequel
On the topic of shots where the face is still a human performance, made me think of Spielberg's A.I Artificial Intelligence. Specifically the nanny robot, who is only briefly in the film, but I distinctly remember it being a money shot of the trailer where she runs toward the camera and looks like a human, then turns her head to reveal only the front of her head still has the fake human skin on. She was very memorable for such a minor character.
21 years later and Gollum is still the FX moment I remember thinking 'this changes everything' more than any other.
I really really loved the green knight, the cinematography, the story, the characters and the effects that amplify the scenes.
So u know what's happened at the end ??
I tried to watch it, but I couldn't see anything but blackness for half the movie. It felt like I was experiencing a radio play instead.
I read that they make scenes progressively darker because modern cameras can handle that slightly better, but they really need to stop doing that.
@@hreport5989 The ending isn't really that ambiguous, he passed the test.
@@hreport5989 read the original story
Having Jordan working out during a commercial is 100% your new way to get me to watch it
Creep.
Jordan is awesome but the camera work on this fitness ad struck me as frankly creepy & voyeuristic 🤮 Honestly made me wonder if she is okay as a female employee being so outnumbered by guys there at CC? Really hope their workplace is NOT as creepy & exploitative as their camera work felt here! 😬
I would love to see a sequel to Alita Battle Angel. That movie was awesome.
That new intro bumper though. 👀👍👍👍
It's crazy to see how good Gollum looked way back in the early 2000's!
Gollum looks like a practical effect (animatronic) in the one low-angle shot where Frodo is holding him at sword-point. I wish you'd ask about that
10:10 this is so crazy, i would have never thought so much effort was put into a detail like this. Using simulation to actually generate a real eye just like in nature!
There's still hope for an Alita: Battle Angel sequel! Sign the sequel petition (link on our channel page).
The Green Knight had of budget of $15 mil.
Amazing!!
I remember being absolutely blown away by the trailer for The Two Towers, where smeagol was pretending to be nice and his expression changed to show he was secretly a jerk. It was all just a subtle change in the eyes and I couldn't believe that could be done with a CGI character.
Alita was so good, i hope someday we get a sequel…
This was the only add I ever watched 😍😍 and rewatched Jordan looks amazing!!
This sponsored segment was probably the first one I wanted to watch lol
Lol same. 😂
😳🔥🔥🔥
you know its going to be a good ep when WETA is involved
Thanks for another great video! I think it would be interesting if you guys looked at the evolution of movie monsters. E.g: The Thing from 1951, 1982, 2011... or the evolution of the wolfman... either way keep up the awesome work!
Alita Battle Angel is the best movie I have ever seen, I love it so much. Totally underrated in all aspects, Rosa is our queen and so is Alita
Wouldn't go that far, but I really liked it too, except for the major cliffhanger at the end without a follow up. I feel like movies shouldn't do that unless they are sure there will be a follow up because it leaves a bad aftertaste when it doesn't.
You could look at Tim Burtons Mars Attacks! Especially the We Come in Peace scene with the "dove".
That was the first time I watched the whole ad segment 😂 Thanks Jordan
Always fun when someone from Weta is a guest. Love everything Weta does.
I dont know how they do it but these two make me watch the ad segment everytime.
Alita Battle Angel was really awesome!!!!!! i hope they make a new one
thanks to you guys i started paying much more attention both to vfx and to the stunts, and it made movies so much more beautiful and impactful for me.
I just wanna say, I seen him in another video on some random channel and can I tell you the smiles and chemistry you guys have with all of your guests, it’s really special keep it up!
great episode! The bit about the CG eye simulation was crazy!!
i very easily got over alitas eyes, from the fact that the movie is based on a manga i could very easily suspend disbelief, and also the fact that with the huge eyes, alita looks more like aubry plaza to me than rosa salazar
As someone who watches anime, this is just an excuse to make a "cute" character that kids who love cute stuff would wanna see.
I never once saw a problem with her eyes, and it was a big reason I liked the movie so much. For me it was just enough to differentiate her from a human and avoid the uncanny valley, so I 100% believed she was real.
@@Vandius24 sounds to me like you just like blood and guts... judging by your other comments... but that's fine, you do you. I personally enjoy films that aren't a showcase of Gore... but that's no reason to resort to insult.
@@justafan5179 That's nothing like me! I don't even like "slasher" movies. Scream, F13, Halloween, all bad movies. I generally don't watch many movies like those at all. I'm a big fan of Korean and Japanese movies at the moment, Parasite, Hanabe, The Eel, and so on but some of those movies have some gore but you judged me sooo off base. Look at my icon, it's a character from a game about NOT KILLING! You get a higher score for not killing enemies in the game and it's my favorite game, I live my life by this game and I think killing is wrong unless you're using self defense. I never implied I like those movies but you're pulling from the eather.
14:00 I loved that:
"hahahaha *help I've seen things I'll never forget* hahahaha"
To me Ed Skrein was the most impressive visually character in Alita. That combination of face and robot body looked dope.
I agree. He was actually a really good compliment to Alita, in terms of cgi. Alita has the high-detail face, while Zapan has the high-detail body. To see all the engravings, plus every actuator, servo, cable, mechanism, is just stunning. Few films go to that level of detail.
I would love a directors cut of the LOTR with Andy Serkis in his white suit pasted back in ❤❤❤
Gollum was revolutionary. I remember seeing the two towers as a kid and couldn’t believe that wasn’t a costume or something. 😂
I loved the way Zapan looked. So many interesting things to look at, especially his back.
Yes I remember the eyes, super details! Helps watching on the IMAX screen.
I think the trick with Alita is that they DID hit the uncanny valley - at least, I felt it. But they presented it so well, and so consistently and realistically that after a brief period instead of being distracting, it became normalized, and they made the uncanny something that would present without triggering that response.
The Green Knight is brilliant.
it captivated me the first time i watched it.
I just couldn't get over the initial stupidity of his response to the challenge. Instead of beheading the guy, the chivalrous thing to do is to just give him a slight insignificant cut. As the return would be equally (not) bad in a year's time, the rest of the story is basically not needed then.
But that's a problem in the original story, and not the movie's fault. Our view of medieval mythic heroes is flawed given the way people thought back then.
@@theaxer3751 people do the most stupid of things for vanity and to impress others. I guess these days they're called pranksters and influencers.
Damn Jordan's cut, sheeesh. And a Special thanks to Eric, hes a legend, and I'm happy he can help create such great visual pleasing movies
These interviews especially with him are the best
Good stuff as always fellas.
I would so much love an episode about 80s ilm shots like the iconic trench run sequence in sw with someone that actually worked on shots like these taking about the technology they used and invented like software for controlling the camera and witch hardware it ran on. Also you have talked so often about comping technology on film. But it would be really nice to actually see that done and the problems that can occur with it. Maybe you could try to do it yourself!
Y'all know exactly what y'all doing having Jordan do the ad reads🤤
in terms of future development, it would be great to have accurate depth sensors on cameras so we can have depth or 'z' based keying - this would eliminate so much rotoscoping too.
Y'all should start a "propmasters react" or more SFX reacts.
- "Pyromaster reacts"
- "Prosthetist reacts"
- "Set designer reacts"
- "Makeup artist reacts"
- "Set Dresser reacts"
I want it all!!
Wow, thanks for highlighting our FaceTracker for Nuke on 17:17. That means a lot!
5:50 - That is SUPER smart that they had one animator work just on gollumn and one just on smeagol when they were talking to each other in that scene. Whoever made that decision, not sure if it was the guy on the couch or not, but whoever it was, they are smart as hell lol
I can't believe it's been 97 episodes of VFX React. All I can ever think about when I finish an episode is how I can't wait for the next one.
Alita Battle Angle was a good film! I hope they make the sequel soon!
Hunger Games: How the FX improved with each movie (especially the scenes with horses)
JORDAN 👀 Jeezy Chreezy.
I’ve been waiting for a sequel of Alita battle angle for a long time’! One of my favorites(:
I absolutely loved that he pointed out about the green light spill. It is amazing that I have never seen anyone talk about that. it seems to me that getting a giant poster of what the background is going to look like behind your actor would be much better than a green screen. I mean most cameras have depth sensors. that should be good enough to give a rough idea of what you need rotated and then clean it up by hand.
My prediction for the future of filmmaking. Analog. We’re going back. Analog film and miniatures baby.
I saw 97 and I thought you were just going to work through movies from '97 and got confused. But you could just walk Eric through the best films year by year and learn so much.
Alita
Maybe it's just me, but I'd love to see you look at old model work and practical effects. I'm thinking stuff like Star Trek, Lost in Space, Thunderbirds are Go, etc (also, just Godzilla). Maybe you can find a person that did model work, Adam Savage probably knows someone😅. It's always sort of laughable to see the bad, but impressive to see the good.
Kinda always been curious about people going back and using old methods of visual effects from way back in the day. Just for the charm and artistry in it.
Love the insight of this episodes.
Thanks.
I would love to hear more on a subject yall hit on around Alita at like 9:50. Its that uncanny valley space. Its weird, but Gollum always looked so perfect though the OG trilogy, but the hobbit and Alita both hit something uncomfortable in me. Its akin to how cable and basic tv looks too clear on a good number of HD tvs. My eyes dont see as well as those TV's present their subject. I dont know, Id like to know more on what yall think. As tech and method get more advanced, is there a point at which it out paces the viewer? Does it change the nature of the film from "filmed" to "animated"?
Gollum was perfected in the Hobbit, far superior to how he looked and moved in Lord of the Rings.
i think the gollum vfx have aged very very well :)
Fot the next time WETA come to visit - give them a big hug from me. The very last sequence of Avatar2 - of the giant fish leaping for joy in the sunset - man... I don't have superlatives to describe how impresive that was… just.. just... thank you Weta.
“The audience is always skipping our ad reads.”
Jordan: I got this.
Avatar 2 was amazing visually with 3D but the story was dollar tree level.
Jorden really carying that sponsored segment. Christian killed it too of course
now we need to see Christian in shortie shorts jumping rope in a cutoff top 😉
Always love the pros on the couch
Starship Troopers, time 1:43:40 when the huge spaceship splits in half. Always thought it looked very detailed for the time is was made.
Majora’s Mask - Terrible Fate please react to this its ssooooooooo goooood
THIS
This is actually a really great episode for the uncanny valley discussion, showing both Gollum and Alita. For me, Gollum and his large eyes doesn't really mess with me as much as Alita with hers. My brain recognizes that Gollum, while having some human like features, isn't quite human enough that his eyes don't really make me feel all that uneasy. Alita on the other hand, with very human features besides the large eyes, does make me feel uncomfortable to the point where I can't watch the movie.
Alita honestly disgusts me. I can't even watch clips without having to look away. I've never had that experience before.
Would love to see a series of “music composers react”. There are some great scenes that would have never worked, or were perfect as a result of the score. Or, at times, where the score just takes us out of the moment.
Cheers
Been watching Prehistoric Planet and I think there's tonnes of effects for you guys to dissect. Especially the opening scene with the trex interacting with water.
I always skip sponsored segments, but not today…
"Most Replayed" currently is the sponsored segment lol.
Love your React videos!
Can you guys make a react to the DnD movie? Maybe comparing the old and the new one?
Here are some random movies you guys could check out and react to:
Mutant Chronicles 2008
Priest 2011
Ready Player One 2018 (HOW DID THEY NOT REACT TO IT, ONE OF THE BEST MOVIES)
Legion 2010
Van Helsing 2004
Cowboy vs Aliens 2011
Outlander 2008
Alien vs Predator 2004
The Lighthouse 2019
Killer Clowns from Outer Space
sheesh wasn't expecting to see Jordan like that.
Sorry but Jordan fine as hell
The Green Knight was my surprise hit of 2022. Such a beautiful shot and mesmerizing film! 🧡
i couldn't make it more than 30 minutes into the movie. That 3 and a half minute shot of him just riding a horse towards camera, with nothing else happening just killed it for me. BUT seeing this makes me want to give it another try.
@@FablestoneSeries I also failed at my first attempt to watch it and stopped after 30 minutes or so. Let's say it's not an easy watch. You must be in the mood and allow yourself to sink into it. Then it's an outstanding watch.
Wow., Green knight with just 8 vfx artists !!! Incredible work on that piece.,
Holy crap she's a babe
I have one question. At 14:37 what is a DP?
I was recently watching BBC's Sherlock and they have some really cool scenes where the camera moves through a frozen scene(sometimes with objects frozen mid air), and I'd love for you to break that down