I seriously thought we would see a bonus clip of Eric speaking a different language when that bolt was fighting him. We've all been there at some point. 🤣
As you said around the 16th minute I have an experience with "front heavy" car on the lift. I was rebuilding the rear-end of my old Audi S5 when somebody screamed "it's falling!!" and in that second me and two other heavy guys hung onto the rear of the car until it was lowered enough that the front could be supported. Unfortunately there was nobody to take pictures....
There was just one teeny thing I needed to see here: The orientation of the rear muffler hanger. Mine broke off and I needed to see whether it was situated to the left or right of the plate it gets welded to. I was happy to see some clear images of this around the 4 minute mark. Thanks for the video.
Nothing but experience breaking things will give you the "touch" that tells you when something is about to bust. Initially, we learn mostly by getting things right and fixing stuff, but it doesn't take too long before we learn mostly by getting things wrong and breaking stuff.
I have a trick for getting those stabilizer links off quickly: bust them apart with a pickle fork, then use a plumbers pipe wrench on the round nub thats left, then get after the nut with the usual impact. Takes even less time than a torch.
Great video for old Pilot owners. Leaned a lot from moving of the brake lines, real substation parts, real brakes, real axels, differentials, ...... thank you.
Really nice to see the detail of where these 1st gen Pilots rust. As an owner of a West coast one with almost zero rust , it shows me where to rust proof.
I just did a similar rebuild to my 07 ridgeline, new strut assemblies, upper control arms etc. I had to also saw many of the bushing bolts out to get things apart. probably went through a dozen sawsall blades. When I ordered replacement bolts from an online Honda dealer, my order was cancelled because the bolts were on nationwide backorder. It was an exhaustive search to finally find replacements.
Watching Eric go thru Sawzall blades reminded me of cutting the *one* rusted-together flange stud when I swapped my cat. Lying on my back under the car with a 12" hacksaw blade in the Sawzall, I could only get the last inch or so of blade up there, so every 5 minutes I would have to crawl out from under the car, clamp the blade in a vise, and snap off the worn end to expose new teeth. Took a long time to cut that [bad words redacted] stud. :)
With all that popping I for sure thought the bolt broke but after heat came out in 1 piece that is impressive as many times and it popped and you unexpectedly moved fast from the popping @17:34 @EricTheCarGuy
25:00 A wise mechanic friend was helping me change the struts on my car years ago. I took the removed assembly and stood it on end in the corner of the garage after freeing it from its host. He took the assembly and laid it on the floor and said, "It can't fall up, so lay it down if you can". I still think about that when I set a part or tool down precariously.
To avoid all of the brake fluid leaking out when disconnecting a line, I use various plastic caps that I have saved from parts purchased over the years. These caps have come from evap cores, fuel rails, master cylinders, calipers, etc. Just placing them over a bubble or inverted flair has done the trick. To cap off a banjo fitting, a short piece of vacuum hose of the proper diameter pushed into the hole where the Banjo bolt would go works great, no need to crush the line with vice grips.
Superb video Eric - the struggle is real for those of us cursed to work on this old rusty crap. I really felt it with that bolt that fought you to the death. Been there many a time myself.
Well, I never thought it possible to have so much drama removing a crusty subframe. Props to you. Personally, I would not bother (as you have iterated in several videos earlier); I'd scrap the toilet.
Loosing all bolts whiles it still attached to vehicle is always the easiest because if you remove then from the vehicle and try to loosen them from the found your fighting it walking on the floor because the bolts are to tight nice work so far lots of progress Eric @EricTheCarGuy
Watching you break those bolts with a fifty foot long cheater bar and a ratchet reminds me of how many ratchet drives I've destroyed going the exact same thing.
I snapped the head off a breaker bar trying to break loose an axle nut - 4 or 5' pipe stuck on the end of my ancient made-in-USA Craftsman, jumping up and down on the end of the pipe and *BANG* snapped that 1/2" head right off. That's when I broke down and ponied up for that big Milwaukee impact driver. :D
@Eric Try using the Diablo carbide tooth sawzall blades, they last much longer and will hold up to heat better for cutting those (grade 8?) bolts. They stock them at The Home Depot.
Had to do a full suspension replacement/rebuild on my mk2 focus st, on axle stands, on my driveway. Fun times when using the breaker bar and the elbow smashes off the driveway that's hard, that I broke a paving slab with my elbow 😳. Cried for days.
16:06 okay guys, this is the reality of being an “Automotive Technician” This is the side that you don’t see in RUclips videos. The parts that usually get edited out, as they scratch their heads for a few hours trying to figure out how to get around the issue. Then they will come back to the camera and explain it very simple, like it wasn’t a big deal and like “this is how you do it guys.”
Always keep in mind 2 questions, Number one is what happens (especially to my hands) when my tool breaks or slips, and Question number two, what happens when what I’m working on breaks.
I live in Mesa Arizona we get surface rust barely this is the place to come for rust free cars. I do love fabricating anything. I have a 2007 Honda pilot just did the front suspension. Luckily I didn’t have to fight rust.
With the amount of labor you just did you could have bought 3 honda pilots of this vintage lol. What a money saver being able to do your own repairs is
I'm doing this for 2 reasons. The first is to illustrate the expense of SUV ownership. ruclips.net/video/AqTgv2RSC7I/видео.html The second is practice for when I do the restoration on my Type R. ruclips.net/video/_OfMvfFSztM/видео.html It also makes for some good content. Thanks for the comment.
An even better tip for removing the handbrake cable from the rear back plate (see 12:42) is to run a ring spanner (12mm) onto the cable to compress the expanding fitting that stops the handbrake from popping out of the hub.
Living my entire life on the salt free West Coast I have nothing but respect for the techs who have to deal with rust. Shops here would have declared that Pilot as a total. With shop labor rates hovering around 150.00 /hr there would be good reason!
I have had good luck with those bushing bolts using an angle grinder, and a cut off wheel. Usually, there is enough space to sneak it in there between the arm, and the bracket, and it gets through those bolts quick fast and in a hurry.
My 06 Pilot left rear wheel came off due to a damn pothole so I'm hoping to fix it. Will watch both videos and hoping to get my Pilot back on the road again
Working on cars looks fun. A mechanic told me once he loved working on cars but doin it everyday for years ruined the fun for him so he quit. He still works on cars but for fun projects not as a job. I will bring tryig to replace my struts and shocks on a 2011 pilot.
Why you said you're going to change the whole control arms ? You got them out alright . We all love bushings deinstall/install videos. And these control arms are the candidate 🍺
Once the bolt seizes in the bushing the control arm is done. You pretty much need to destroy it to remove it. Also, as far as I know, the bushings aren't available. Thanks for the comment.
if you can afford it.... don't keep any car longer than 10 years, unless it's a truck MAYBE, so much for my high regard for Honda's. And it's Erics Honda. I wouldn't want this to be fixed. How much longer is Eric gonna be able to break free bushing mounts like that ! I woulda broke out the torch after the first, AHHHH ! He uses the word hopefully alot ! And Eric, can't get enough wrenching and spends free time doing it ! UNREAL ! Eric is a really smart mechanic but after the second sawzall blade I would have thought of something else.
I want to buy one that was really nice and I didn't even notice the subframe rusting through! I called the dealer and asked how the f*** it passed inspection!!! 😳🥴
When working on a vehicle from the rust belt never assume that a fastener will come out once you’ve cracked it loose. Only when you have full out and in your hands do you relax. I have had bolts completely undone and halfway out only to have them get stuck solid on rust . They have then either snapped, completely stripped out or I’ve had to cut them and drive them out.
I had to cut many bolts with the electric saw which were rusted in the bushes just like you. Just a quick note you used way to many blades, the think is you need to lubricate the blade with oil all the time and run the saw on lower speed otherwise you just f7ck up the blades real quick. Usually I use 2 blades for 2 bushes run slow with lots of oil as lubrication and it does the job perfectly.
@EricTheCarGuy Thanks for this nice video. At 14:38 of this video your pilot's rear brake caliper's cylinders looked rusty from inside. What amount of rust there would trigger your recommendation to address it (screw driver poking test?) or leave it as is?
@@ericthecarguy Yup. Remember doing it on some of my old Honda's it seems like a million years ago. Just a Rhetorical statement. I just don't want to do my 08 civic😞
Sorry I was in ur way so much.😂🤣 If I had a rack,torch, etc, I'd take advantage & do tough repairs like this. When u drive it, u know exactly what is done! AND NO CAR PAYMENTS!!!😁
If I'm honest... I probably would have just welded a couple of plates at that bad corner... and literally welded the sub-frame to the body with those plates (without ever taking anything apart); just to make sure that it holds.. It would have been a problem later if I ever needed to pull the sub-frame, but what are the odds of needing to do that before the life of the rest of the car expires........... So I would have very much jerry rigged it. lol... I can understand this long repair being worth it though, for content... This was a lot more extensive than I originally thought.
I seriously thought we would see a bonus clip of Eric speaking a different language when that bolt was fighting him. We've all been there at some point. 🤣
"Fixing it backward" is my favorite cold season series!
Perfect for Friday nights.
As you said around the 16th minute I have an experience with "front heavy" car on the lift. I was rebuilding the rear-end of my old Audi S5 when somebody screamed "it's falling!!" and in that second me and two other heavy guys hung onto the rear of the car until it was lowered enough that the front could be supported. Unfortunately there was nobody to take pictures....
Glad everyone was OK though. It could have been a lot worse.
I continue to be fuly impressed with how much Eric knows & is willing to teach. I'm remain deeply grateful for that.
Y’all rust belt mechanics got my utmost respect.
Looks like a nightmare huh. lol
That zip tie trip is actually neat! Will have to try that if I ever replace brake lines in the future!
Wow. I’d have no idea how to put that all back together. And, excellent production quality as usual.
There are videos on youtube
Still... I'm glad Im not the ONLY one.😉
Suspension work is the easiest part of mechanics work man. That's how everyone starts.
@@Steelheart624 haahah da fuck you talking bout
There was just one teeny thing I needed to see here: The orientation of the rear muffler hanger. Mine broke off and I needed to see whether it was situated to the left or right of the plate it gets welded to. I was happy to see some clear images of this around the 4 minute mark. Thanks for the video.
Nothing but experience breaking things will give you the "touch" that tells you when something is about to bust. Initially, we learn mostly by getting things right and fixing stuff, but it doesn't take too long before we learn mostly by getting things wrong and breaking stuff.
I have a trick for getting those stabilizer links off quickly: bust them apart with a pickle fork, then use a plumbers pipe wrench on the round nub thats left, then get after the nut with the usual impact. Takes even less time than a torch.
Good idea. I'll have to try that. Thanks.
Great video for old Pilot owners. Leaned a lot from moving of the brake lines, real substation parts, real brakes, real axels, differentials, ...... thank you.
Really nice to see the detail of where these 1st gen Pilots rust. As an owner of a West coast one with almost zero rust , it shows me where to rust proof.
I just did a similar rebuild to my 07 ridgeline, new strut assemblies, upper control arms etc. I had to also saw many of the bushing bolts out to get things apart. probably went through a dozen sawsall blades. When I ordered replacement bolts from an online Honda dealer, my order was cancelled because the bolts were on nationwide backorder. It was an exhaustive search to finally find replacements.
Watching Eric go thru Sawzall blades reminded me of cutting the *one* rusted-together flange stud when I swapped my cat. Lying on my back under the car with a 12" hacksaw blade in the Sawzall, I could only get the last inch or so of blade up there, so every 5 minutes I would have to crawl out from under the car, clamp the blade in a vise, and snap off the worn end to expose new teeth. Took a long time to cut that [bad words redacted] stud. :)
With all that popping I for sure thought the bolt broke but after heat came out in 1 piece that is impressive as many times and it popped and you unexpectedly moved fast from the popping @17:34 @EricTheCarGuy
Thank you for making this and part 2, I just rebuilt my entire rear suspension and your 2 videos were integral to making it happen.
25:00 A wise mechanic friend was helping me change the struts on my car years ago. I took the removed assembly and stood it on end in the corner of the garage after freeing it from its host. He took the assembly and laid it on the floor and said, "It can't fall up, so lay it down if you can".
I still think about that when I set a part or tool down precariously.
To avoid all of the brake fluid leaking out when disconnecting a line, I use various plastic caps that I have saved from parts purchased over the years. These caps have come from evap cores, fuel rails, master cylinders, calipers, etc. Just placing them over a bubble or inverted flair has done the trick. To cap off a banjo fitting, a short piece of vacuum hose of the proper diameter pushed into the hole where the Banjo bolt would go works great, no need to crush the line with vice grips.
No one ever says your not up for a challenge. Good work interesting to watch Cheers
Hose barb pliers work really well to remove those parking brake cables from the backing plates
Eric... really enjoying watching you work on this Pilot! Great content... Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Just got a 2004 honda pilot and these videos are so helpful
Superb video Eric - the struggle is real for those of us cursed to work on this old rusty crap. I really felt it with that bolt that fought you to the death. Been there many a time myself.
Master tech here... good content... real work... not just a how to video... nothing is as easy as it seems... thsnks erick
Thanks for bringing us along
Well, I never thought it possible to have so much drama removing a crusty subframe. Props to you. Personally, I would not bother (as you have iterated in several videos earlier); I'd scrap the toilet.
whoa, that zip tie trick blew my mind, definitely gonna try that next time
Something to be said about old school rear diff and leaf springs, great video Eric 👍😁
Loosing all bolts whiles it still attached to vehicle is always the easiest because if you remove then from the vehicle and try to loosen them from the found your fighting it walking on the floor because the bolts are to tight nice work so far lots of progress Eric @EricTheCarGuy
I love your videos Eric!!!! So fun to watch and I learn.
WOW!! I am amazed at how CRUSTY this was,,,having the experience and the tools make this easier,,,SALUTE!!!
There was nothing easier happening here.. lol
Excellent set up for filming. Good lighting and clear view of what you're doing. Thanks
Thank you!
Gave me a great idea. Making decals and bumper stickers that say THIS CAR EQUIPPED WITH AFTER MARKET CATALYTIC CONVERTERS.
Watching you break those bolts with a fifty foot long cheater bar and a ratchet reminds me of how many ratchet drives I've destroyed going the exact same thing.
I snapped the head off a breaker bar trying to break loose an axle nut - 4 or 5' pipe stuck on the end of my ancient made-in-USA Craftsman, jumping up and down on the end of the pipe and *BANG* snapped that 1/2" head right off. That's when I broke down and ponied up for that big Milwaukee impact driver. :D
@Eric Try using the Diablo carbide tooth sawzall blades, they last much longer and will hold up to heat better for cutting those (grade 8?) bolts. They stock them at The Home Depot.
This and spraying a lubricant can help fight heat too
also slowing down the blade speed will help, going full speed with that sawsall will cause those sparks when the blade is going too fast and melting.
I think I would've used a angle grinder and cut wheel.
Those Diablo blades are nuts
Had to do a full suspension replacement/rebuild on my mk2 focus st, on axle stands, on my driveway. Fun times when using the breaker bar and the elbow smashes off the driveway that's hard, that I broke a paving slab with my elbow 😳. Cried for days.
Eric you are Honda every thing and all about doing this kind of work love it man
Thank you Eric you should get your grandson back to help you love watching your wonderful videos I am watching from South Africa
16:06 okay guys, this is the reality of being an “Automotive Technician”
This is the side that you don’t see in RUclips videos. The parts that usually get edited out, as they scratch their heads for a few hours trying to figure out how to get around the issue. Then they will come back to the camera and explain it very simple, like it wasn’t a big deal and like “this is how you do it guys.”
Always keep in mind 2 questions, Number one is what happens (especially to my hands) when my tool breaks or slips, and Question number two, what happens when what I’m working on breaks.
Great stuff Eric. Keep up the great content.
I live in Mesa Arizona we get surface rust barely this is the place to come for rust free cars. I do love fabricating anything. I have a 2007 Honda pilot just did the front suspension. Luckily I didn’t have to fight rust.
"Hey look I'm a catalytic converter thief" 😬🤣
Nah, Eric took too long! Because he's not a crook!😂🤣😁
With the amount of labor you just did you could have bought 3 honda pilots of this vintage lol. What a money saver being able to do your own repairs is
I'm doing this for 2 reasons. The first is to illustrate the expense of SUV ownership. ruclips.net/video/AqTgv2RSC7I/видео.html
The second is practice for when I do the restoration on my Type R. ruclips.net/video/_OfMvfFSztM/видео.html
It also makes for some good content. Thanks for the comment.
An even better tip for removing the handbrake cable from the rear back plate (see 12:42) is to run a ring spanner (12mm) onto the cable to compress the expanding fitting that stops the handbrake from popping out of the hub.
1/2 or 13 closed end wrench releases the brake cable retainers and holds them in for extraction. (E. Brake)
Amazing work
Wow, you must be very strong to get those big bolts at the subframe open above your head :) Very interesting repair project, thumbs up :)
Greetings mate.... Learned a lot from you. Thank you 👍
Greetings!
🔥 is always the answer!
Living my entire life on the salt free West Coast I have nothing but respect for the techs who have to deal with rust. Shops here would have declared that Pilot as a total. With shop labor rates hovering around 150.00 /hr there would be good reason!
Love these types of videos
Milwaukee loved this episode!
Yup!
Heating up stubborn fasteners/ bolts, etc usually does the trick!!
😉
I’ve had that same bolt frustration when they are so tight…. I feel your pain.
Holy crap! That's a lot of work! I can see why most people won't fix it or just scrap 😳
Got to admit, I love watching 👀 people do things I would never attempt. Interesting as all get out
I appreciate you watching.
Great video
Hondas are notorious for rusted suspension parts. Definitely a fight to get off.
When doing drum brakes you should take a photo of both sides because sometimes they’re completely different.
This is the difference between a mechanic and a parts hanger.
I have had good luck with those bushing bolts using an angle grinder, and a cut off wheel. Usually, there is enough space to sneak it in there between the arm, and the bracket, and it gets through those bolts quick fast and in a hurry.
AGV, Another Great Video
if you use some cutting fluid you will definitely make those sawzall blades last a bit longer, should cut faster too
And lower the speed. Cutting metal is usually done at lower RPM... I have never seen sparks wit a sawzall to be honest!
Wowed that’s a lot of work sir .👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Eric love your sarcasm brother😂😂😂👍👍
@24:07 ahhhhh welcome back seat belt 👏👏👏 what a cameo 👏 👌 😄
Notification squad!👍🏻
that's how I learned to fix things.... by breaking things . Sound like me.😆
My 06 Pilot left rear wheel came off due to a damn pothole so I'm hoping to fix it. Will watch both videos and hoping to get my Pilot back on the road again
Use a 12 mm boxed in wrench on the e brake cable to press down the retaining clips.
Working on cars looks fun. A mechanic told me once he loved working on cars but doin it everyday for years ruined the fun for him so he quit. He still works on cars but for fun projects not as a job. I will bring tryig to replace my struts and shocks on a 2011 pilot.
And this is where the consumables costs come in.
Why you said you're going to change the whole control arms ? You got them out alright . We all love bushings deinstall/install videos. And these control arms are the candidate 🍺
Once the bolt seizes in the bushing the control arm is done. You pretty much need to destroy it to remove it. Also, as far as I know, the bushings aren't available. Thanks for the comment.
Have the same issue. I plan to add a steel piece in, made from 4" square 1/4" thick box steel piece with one side cut out. then weld in place.
You might find this helpful. ruclips.net/video/wou4sk8Xt9k/видео.html
Eric, you make me wonder it is not so hard to build a car 😀
if you can afford it.... don't keep any car longer than 10 years, unless it's a truck MAYBE, so much for my high regard for Honda's. And it's Erics Honda. I wouldn't want this to be fixed. How much longer is Eric gonna be able to break free bushing mounts like that ! I woulda broke out the torch after the first, AHHHH ! He uses the word hopefully alot ! And Eric, can't get enough wrenching and spends free time doing it ! UNREAL ! Eric is a really smart mechanic but after the second sawzall blade I would have thought of something else.
Wow, you’ve undertaken a huge labour of love. Can you refurbish my 2006 Pilot from bumper to bumper ? Hahaha 😂
I want to buy one that was really nice and I didn't even notice the subframe rusting through! I called the dealer and asked how the f*** it passed inspection!!! 😳🥴
@@yodead369 That’s why they’re called stealerships.
@@wasabitoburrion4409 and every time I tell a car salesman that, it's like the most offensive word to them, but it's like prove me wrong!? 🤷
Good luck 👍
With enough leverage you can move the world.
Haven't watched in a while, beard is looking good :)
I laughed when you went through so many saw blades.
Good video
No pocket screwdrivers were harmed in the making of this film.
awesome! :D
When working on a vehicle from the rust belt never assume that a fastener will come out once you’ve cracked it loose.
Only when you have full out and in your hands do you relax. I have had bolts completely undone and halfway out only to have them get stuck solid on rust . They have then either snapped, completely stripped out or I’ve had to cut them and drive them out.
Eric you the man.....nice job! How do you not use cus words when working on cars? I swear like a drunken sailor!
Trust me, I do, I just don't often put them in the videos. When I do, I bleep them out. It's a 'family' show.
I had to cut many bolts with the electric saw which were rusted in the bushes just like you. Just a quick note you used way to many blades, the think is you need to lubricate the blade with oil all the time and run the saw on lower speed otherwise you just f7ck up the blades real quick. Usually I use 2 blades for 2 bushes run slow with lots of oil as lubrication and it does the job perfectly.
A little NH Oil Undercoating or Fluid Film could have help avoid this! Great video though, love it!
Sweet
Eric
Idea for channel sponsor !
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I do that on my ETCG1 channel, not this channel.
Have you seen the lazer used to clean parts?
@EricTheCarGuy Thanks for this nice video. At 14:38 of this video your pilot's rear brake caliper's cylinders looked rusty from inside. What amount of rust there would trigger your recommendation to address it (screw driver poking test?) or leave it as is?
"At the tone, the time will be 3oclock."
Did you just call Time 1-800 number?
There's got to be a better way to get the lower control arms out. Great video MASTER HONDA/ ACURA MECHANIC.
You could burn them out, but that creates a bunch of toxic smoke along with a horrible smell.
@@ericthecarguy Yup. Remember doing it on some of my old Honda's it seems like a million years ago. Just a Rhetorical statement. I just don't want to do my 08 civic😞
How would I fix the running lights in gsr for the taillights 😂 I would really appreciate the help
I'm all too familiar with the frustration with those types of bolts. Rust belt vehicles are no joke. I'm sure there was plenty of swearing off camera.
Sorry I was in ur way so much.😂🤣 If I had a rack,torch, etc, I'd take advantage & do tough repairs like this. When u drive it, u know exactly what is done! AND NO CAR PAYMENTS!!!😁
Dang the last time I was this early I didn't have grey in my beard hair yet.
If I'm honest... I probably would have just welded a couple of plates at that bad corner... and literally welded the sub-frame to the body with those plates (without ever taking anything apart); just to make sure that it holds.. It would have been a problem later if I ever needed to pull the sub-frame, but what are the odds of needing to do that before the life of the rest of the car expires........... So I would have very much jerry rigged it. lol... I can understand this long repair being worth it though, for content... This was a lot more extensive than I originally thought.
More extensive that I thought too, but it's good practice for when I restore the Type R.
I’m stuck on the brake shoes part. What socket do you need to remove those silver circles screw that’s holding the shoes on tight?