Note to please watch the previous video first to get the whole story: System Update! Could a VPI Scout Turntable Take Center Stage In My System? ruclips.net/video/GKAbi5ZShDg/видео.html
Congrats. When I auditioned my Linn, I listened to various set ups. The Lingo 4 ( the linn motor/speed controller ) made a huge difference. So make sure you get the equivalent for your Scout. A better turntable will just increase your own goosebumps when listening to the music that you love.
Thank you! The importance of speed control seems to be something many people are not aware of. I had no idea until I saw the demonstration and heard it for myself. Now that you have lived with the Lingo, I'm sure it would be very obvious if you went without it Some commenters seem outraged that 'you have to spend more to get it to work right' are missing the point. These tables do work as they should without, just like an LP 12 does without the Lingo. This is simply an extra level of refinement that brings us closer to the music. That I'm playing in the used market makes this an easy decision!
You were inspiring me to consider a turntable upgrade and then you end up upgrading to my current TT absent the Prime platter and ADS. Mine runs a little fast so the ADS might be in my future. Two things I have found to improve the sound are the IsoAcoustocs GAIA feet and products from Origin Live (the enabler at the very least). Great channel, thanks for taking the time.
I have a third VPI video in the works with the final tweaks to the anti skate, and some listening impressions with the ADS. I am considering feet or platform, and there may be a surprise VPI announcement soon!
I’m very pleased for you Scott. It is such an important component to get right. I bought a Kuzma Reference turntable, second hand, about 10 years ago or so. It is rock solid. I did the same thing and checked the speed and it was solid on both 33 and 45. The difference it makes is incredible. My mate and I were really quite blown away by the difference over it and my previous turntable (a Source) and his current, at the time(a Luxman, with speed control). It sounds like you have found a new turntable and I’d definitely get the speed controller and then you are sorted. Enjoy the music!
Thanks for your reply! I've always been of the mind that the source is the most important part of an analog playback system. This experiment has shown me how much I was missing. it is definitely not a lateral move from the Basis. Last night I had one of those "peak audio experiences" with a particular record on this table. I was so blown away, I made my decision right there. That record and the announcement coming up on the next video!
It’s been fun for me to watch this and the other video. Hearing about the issues you’ve encountered and how you’ve worked through them has been educational and super interesting. Your salesperson Oswaldo is pretty amazing for all the time and energy he’s putting into taking care of you, making multiple trips to your house, sourcing parts for the VPI Scout to make it run optimally, and lending you gear to try out in your home. He sounds like the dream salesperson. I deal with the owner of my local hi-fi shop and he’s helpful, but Oswaldo is next-level. It’s clear you really appreciate him. Seems like your mind is practically made up, and it seems like the decision you’ll make is absolutely the right one. Congrats in advance for this excellent new addition to your system. Warmest regards Ron C.
Hi Ron! I hope you are doing well! I'm glad you caught these two videos. It's been a fun diversion that's yielding some serious sonic benefits. Oswaldo is just incredible. I wish everyone had a salesman this dedicated. I trust he has my best interests at heart, and he's probably even more excited than me! That he is a VPI dealer himself makes this an easy decision. To think, I met him through the channel, just like you. This is what I love about the channel - it's not numbers or money, it's sharing passion for our hobby and making lifelong friends.
Hi Scott. Your journey in equipment upgrades have been great to follow as well as your reviews. A VPI turntable is on my list of potential future upgrade to my current turntable. In my opinion, an even swap will allow you to fine tune this turntable with certain upgrades. VPI turntables are ones which you can maintain for a very long time. Cheers
Hi Brian! Great to hear from you! Yes, I'm really enjoying this and love making videos about each step. I'm pretty much sold on this, but I'll give it another week to be sure. I haven't rocked out on it yet!
Glad to hear your comments on the VPI. I recently bought a Signature 21 and enjoying it immensely. Just ordered the ADS and waiting for it to ship, the one speed pulley allows for running up to 3 belts. This should help reduce any drag helping maintain consistent speed. Also like VPI because its so easy to adjust, replace parts and access the connections.
Great to hear from you. I did decide to get the Scout and the ADS. It's fantastic, a nice significant jump in SQ for me. I didn't get the pulley yet, but I'll probably do that next and get a couple of belts. I have to learn to handle all the adjustments myself. What are you doing about anti skate? Just the wire or does that come with the device?
@@ThePressingMatters I am not running the anti skate, did a test record and it preformed well without it. But probably going to invest in the "Wally Skater" device to make sure I'm OK. If you aren't familiar with Wally Tools, there are informative videos on RUclips. Ran into them at Southwest Audiofest and was impressed with them.
@pnichols6500 Yes, I am familiar with it, also visited them at an audio show. I have the vpi device that the previous owner had on it. This is the last issue that Oz and I need to get to. It's not installed correctly and we left if off until I get back from vacation but I spent a good week listening without it, and it sounds great and there are no issues that I could audibly or visually detect. Of course that isn't enough with anti skate, so we will need to do some testing with and without. Personally I'd rather it be sufficient without it. The thing seems to be very tweaky.
@@ThePressingMatters VPI doesn't think it's necessary (on their external wired tonearms) and just supply it for those that want to have it, so I feel comfortable not really worrying about it for now. Hope the vacation was good!
Yes, the vacation is nice. I've been attending to family things but getting lots of rest too. I'm at the beach in Maine. Hope to go look around for records this weekend!
Good luck Scott with your decision, having perfect pitch belt drive inconsistency in speed regulation has always driven me mad and why I have favoured direct drives, I have one belt drive, and it has a speed controller. If the drift on the vpi is slow and consistent the ADS won’t be overly audible unless you have perfect pitch, so wouldn’t rush into that one imho, as to the dynamic difference to the basis, it’s long been known that acrylic turntables tend to be a little duller, but also quieter. The wonderful thing about vpis is the continual upgrade path so I think you’re going to be on a journey with lots of content possibilities, eg footers, tonearms etc … good luck :)
Thanks Andrew, This upgrade has taken me by surprise, but it's been such a pleasure to explore the possibility. I've learned a lot, and am excited about the improvements I heard It will make for some interesting videos as I go down the rabbit hole!
RE: 33.3/45 rpm SPEED: It’s more having to do with the fluctuating voltage and power and frequencies coming from the outlet of your house. Every house and area is different and fluctuates. It’s possible that every belt drive TT in the history of TTs don’t hit the speeds dead on with no fluctuations. The technical reasons why is another conversation. Outboard electronics for SPEED ONLY addresses these issues. And we are talking about the difference between being able to lock the speed in exactly, not just within a certain tolerance that is acceptable to the ear. Even when a manufacturer addresses this, it’s usually in a seperate or isolated enclosure so as not to affect one of the most important jobs of the turntable, which is low noise and vibration transfer. And then in turn, is also reflected in the price of the turntable.
Congratulations on the new turntable My origin live Calypso has speed adjustment set screws on the motor and from time to time with weather conditions and such you do have to adjust your speed control and it is especially noticeable on piano. People don't realize how important a rock solid 33 and a third is for a lifelike musical presentation. The human perception of accurate speed is uncanny. Another thing to consider is vibration control ginkgo audio makes a vibration base for your turntable I know they're expensive but something you need to consider. I got mine on sale of course.
Yes some isolation solution is in the cards, though it's not an issue I notice. I wouldn't have believed how much of a difference speed stability and accuracy made until I heard the VPI with the ADS. It's something that once you've had it in the system. You don't want to be without it. It is more lifelike and unlocks the music from the record.
@@ThePressingMatters The reason I mention vibration control, it's kind of like the speed thing. when you hear it and then you hear what it's doing you can't go back. I mentioned the ginkgo audio number one because that's what I own, and Michael fremer reviewed the product years ago. He was very impressed. You might want to do some investigating into this. it's a thing for the future to consider when you want the next upgrade. That's why I mentioned it. I was on audiogone forums years ago talking to some folks about what I owned and I was thinking about doing a tone arm upgrade or maybe a cartridge. A fellow said to me if you haven't got anything for vibration control. That's the next thing you need to do.
@@RocknRonni That's exactly what my advisor and friend John has said to me. He's using some 3 inch maple on some footers but I will definitely check out the Gingko products too.
Good to hear because there are some comments that don't understand if and why it's necessary or desirable. If you'd like to respond with your experience in the subject, please do! There's some misunderstanding out there.
As you have experienced, the SDS (and, I'm sure, the ADS) add further speed solidity. You get quicker stopping and starting of notes, less blurring, more authority. But everyone needs to audition any potentially new component to see if there's enough improvement in their system to warrant the purchase. The VPI Scout, a great turntable and value, is made into a much more substantial table with the upgraded platter. I can't recommend enough auditioning the VPI peripheral clamp.
@@jeffbellin8224 Well, that's exactly what I was hearing! I kept my comments brief about the ADS because my time with it was so short, but it's as you describe here. So I think this is a go, and I can get a deal on a ADS so for minimal outlay (as The Basis is the main payment) I'll have a VPI Scout with Classic Platter and ADS Controller. More important I'll have an instrument that conveys the beauty and emotion of music in a way I hadn't experienced before.
@fasteddie2413 And after upgrading my speakers and integrated amp, I'm hearing incredibly wondrous moments of subtle shifts that I've never heard before, inflections imparted by the musicians that make the performances riveting in a way I've never heard before. Like you, revisiting older albums in my collection can be a revelation.
This is off the subject but congrats on your VPI. I have a VPI Prime. Andreas Vollenweider is one of my favorite artist. I have a couple of his albums. White Winds is an albums that I always go to when, I’m referencing new gear. Especially the track The Glass Hall. I just love Pan Flute in it.
Oh I'm speaking of the Scout with Classic Platter, JMW 9 Arm, Hana ML Cartridge and the ADS or Analog Drive System Speed Control. Yes, I'll be reviewing it!
For anyone curious about the ADS From VPI website: “The ADS design includes two pure analog frequency generators featuring low distortion and noise; a high current Class-A/B amplifier that is transformer-coupled to the turntable output; analog control logic for low noise operation; 33/45 RPM analog speed adjustment controls with center detente positions that are factory calibrated. “ “ • There are separate speed adjustment controls for 33 and 45 RPM. • The controls have a detented center position that is factory calibrated for 60 Hz (33 RPM) and 81 Hz (45 RPM). • The speed is continuously adjustable +/- 3 Hz”
Ha did you find a copy of Magnum Opus? I'm absolutely confident in that recommendation. If you've ever been in an acoustically perfect church with a real pipe organ, you've had a taste of what you will get on Magnum Opus.
@@ThePressingMatters I put it in my Want List on Discogs. I've got a Dave Matthews Band box set I'm going to buy next week and I"ll get one of these in a couple more weeks.
@@jasonsmith2032 Thanks for taking the time to listen. I listed some of the things I heard in the playback of these tracks in the description box. Yes, percussion having more detail in a good way was one. You can check out the other things I noted there. Congrats! You are the only one who has listened to the files and commented!
@@ThePressingMatters You've made me really curious about the speed stability factor in my own system (vintage Thorens TD 165 Mk2 modified/tied into a much bulkier plinth). For $1k I think it was a great value, but I dream of tables like a Scout. All I would need to do is sell a big stack of records to make that happen... [That's the hard part for me]
@jasonsmith2032 it's an important thing to check, but it's important not to overreact as I found out! It may not be on exact speed. Within tolerance is ok, and it's more important it's not fluctuating. That, you will hear, where it running a tiny bit fast or slow consistently would only be noticiable in extreme situations. There are minor tweaks (fresh belt, pulley adjustment, spacing of the motor) that I did to bring it as clase as possible. I've decided on the ADS Speed Controller as an add on because I found it at a reasonable discount. I'll let you know how it all turns out in the last installment!
Hi Scott, I think the type of nuances you are experiencing can be quite eye opening when observed in the same time frame. In further auditioning, I would suggest you listen to that Heifetz Impex release that you reviewed some time ago. The organ at the beginning of the Vitali would be a good test for good pitch stability. Another suggestion is the last 4 minutes of the last movement of Mahler’s 3rd symphony where a D major chord is held for a long time. Good luck on your adventure!
Hi Paul! Great observation and a wonderful suggestion on the Heifetz record. I'll do that tonight. Thanks for following along with this adventure. Great to have your feedback!
The dimensional accuracy of the belt is by far the weakest link in the motor drive system. You may be able to improve speed stability if you simply change the belt on your Basis TT. AJ Conti, prior to his death, came up with a process to accurately control the dimensionality of his drive belts, however a belt alone will not guarantee dead on speed stability. There are other components that need accurate machining, IE pulley and platter, and of course you need a good motor. The line frequency that controls motor speed is usually the least of your concerns but a quartz locked signal re-generator will fix that completely.
Thanks for your comment! Many good points are made here. I've had a couple of the Superbelts from Basis. A fresh one is great for better speed stability but it doesn't last long. They are pretty pricy. I'm sure if I do this Oz will get one to sell the turntable. I think the benefits of the VPI extend beyond the speed stability. Both are good tables and I've enjoyed the Basis for almost 20 years.
Me too! lol. I'm trying to remain level headed and not just swayed by something different but this seems more than that. Alll the individual merits aside, does the table make listening to music more enjoyable? Based on my listening so far I'd say yes. That experience with the classical record really showed me how true this was.
It is impossible for that motor to be controlled by the ads to the level that you expect because line fluctuations are constant and the transmission of the corrections even with a tachometer could not modify the platter/belt design to any real effect. It is certainly a convenience for speed change from 33 to 45. A periphery ring is a specific physical solution to coupling, vibration and warp relief. I believe one of many items better investigated. Good luck The nojima lps are gloriously engineered Keith Johnson albums
Maybe you are thinking it was an SDS with the display. As I underand it that is a voltage readout. But the ADS has no such display. You can make visual determination only with a strobe disc. Oz any insight here?
Welcome to the VPI club Scott! Quit waffling and say "yes." I don't have nor really miss the ADS controller though I do less "critical listening." Save your cash for the HW-40 isolation feet first and then a 10" fatboy 3D printed tonearm! 😁
Ha, I think the waffling period is over! I'll see what kind of deal I can get on the ADS, but yes the tow upgrades you mention will be on my list! Thanks for following the story!
Glad you are enjoying the VPI. I would be curious if you had a speed controller on the Basis if it would close the gap betwern the two tables? Were the two wav files level matched? It is as if the Basis wav form is lower in level. A louder level is usually perceived as sounding better.
Thanks! No we did not use the ADS on the Basis, but I agree it would be an interesting thing. As it was, I only had the ADS in the system for a few tracks. The objective for this phase was simply to get the correct pulley and hear the table with that. The ADS is not part of this package deal and was brought over for a quick demonstration. I need to feel the VPI performs better on it own against the Basis. I am coming to the conclusion it does, in several important ways. The ADS may be a future upgrade. I didn't prepare the files but I'm sure they were level matched. The files are an interesting aside, which I found valuable, but the listening through the whole system in the room was what I really focused on as those files were done. Since AB comparisons were impossible due to different cartridges and the files were done two weeks apart, I felt they were useful rather than relying on memory. As I noted, I use this track often as a reference over many system changes. I can tell when something is different in the way the music comes across. In the description I noted some of those observations. I'd suggest if there is a slight volume difference between them , to adjust it on playback. If in fact the Basis track is slightly lower, even if turned up, I can still hear the differences quite clearly.
@@ThePressingMatters When I get a minute, I definitely need to listen to the tracks. Sounds like you are headed towards another great upgrade. Always look forward to your videos. Keep them coming!
I had no way of affecting/controlling how the waveform shows up. This is in fact a depiction of the lesser dynamic range of the Basis relative to the VPI. Believe me I too was curious when I was level matching both tracks I noticed that no matter what I did to the gain (+ or -) that the waveform did not increase or decrease. They remained fixed for each file.
Pianos are very hard to record correctly with microphone selection and speed consistency of the recording device. It gets more critical with the playback device. Much knowledge gained from the past has been forgotten. For starters, turntable manufacturers seem to have forgotten about using A.C. synchronous motors. Because they are driven by the frequency of the current and that frequency varies very little, should the speed of the turntable not be correct, it comes down to a physical problem. To show how frequency plays a big part with motors, when Hammond introduced their electro-mechanical organ, the feature which set them apart was the use of a synchronous A.C. motor, like which is used in A.C. powered clocks. No matter what the voltage is, varying a little above or below the voltage the synchronous motor was designed to operate at, the frequency of the current is what is critical. With the Hammond organ, if equipped with a motor designed to run at 110-120 volts and our common 60 hz frequency, if connect to a 50 hz A.C. frequency, the notes will be so far off that is would probably make you pull your hair out. So, most current, if not all, turntable manufacturers have chosen to use D.C. motors. Speed pitch is easily adjusted through varying the voltage. But, if the turntable speed isn't monitored and automatically corrected, speed pitch can vary. This may be observed with "cogging" where the speed controller is attempting to correct the speed. This is most evident in direct-drive turntables, but can be witnessed on belt-driven turntables if the belt slips. Ambient temperature plays a role in speed pitch. Whether because of the temperature of the lubricant or stretching and contracting of the belt. Sending out a turntable with an incorrect pulley size is inexcusable. That is not very professional. If you remember, this was a problem with the U-Turn turntables, initially. But, designed to be affordable, you are getting what you paid for. If you want to hear something the way it was intended to be heard from a record, it is best to use the same turntable(s) which the record manufacturers use for QC. Most use Technics SL-1200's or it's clones. They all have variable pitch so that you can adjust it to your ear. I suspect that for the critical listener, the other turntable manufacturers expect you to buy one of their external speed controls.
Great post and I'll respond to parts of it a bit later, but one thing to clarify. The turntable was not sent out from VPI with an incorrect pulley. This was the original pulley that the previous owner was using. He upgraded the platter but got an SDS at the same time. So he was getting by with this pulley. If you watch the first video this is all explained.
Good luck with the VPI, I own a Classic and my ADS went out, so I’m waiting for the email to send it in to them. I have though bought two other turntables, the Technic SL-1200GR and a Denon DP-3000ne because I wanted questions answered that no reviews both written or on RUclips were talking about. The Classic with that 600rpm motor in my opinion never needed the ADS, but I caught a deal years ago and bought it. The two direct drive tables are interesting and the speed stability and rhythmic drive is outstanding. For the moment I will be keeping them all, but if you want that audiophile look, the Denon is it and it’s almost as heavy as the VPI. Whoever said all turntables sound the same obviously lied. Scott did you ever do the review for the Hana ML that cartridge just gets better with time? Also Scott, I found out that adding a set of Accoustic Gai III feet made a sizable improvement in black backgrounds in the VPI.
Thanks for all the gear information and user experience. It may not really need the ADS, but it's pretty cool to have. Like I mentioned I didn't notice an immediate sonic benefit, it more a peace of mind. It's probably actually simpler to change speed via the pulley. I'm already used to that! I am waiting just a little longer for the Hana ML follow up. I needed to hear it in a different setting and now I have. With a little more listening time, I'll have a lot to say in it!
Jerry. It’s more having to do with the fluctuating voltage and power and frequencies coming from the outlet of your house. Every house and area is different and fluctuates. Outboard electronics for SPEED ONLY addresses all those issues. Even when a manufacturer addresses this, it’s usually in a seperate or isolated enclosure so as not to affect one of the important jobs of the turntable, which is low noise and vibration transfer. And then in turn, is reflected in the price of the turntable.
@johndeuble64 Thank you for explaining this. There was a second comment along similar lines and I explained I can see my line voltage changing all day long. 117, 119, 120, 122v. It's displayed right on my Panamax. So while the motors on these turntables can operate in acceptable range they are not dead on. It's not just VPi or Basis. Even the ultra Tech Das uses a speed controller. High end manufacturers know they need to address this.
The speed is correct and within spec but not perfect locked in with no absolute deviation. No belt drive runs perfect. Throw a professional strobe disc on your platter (if belt drive) and be ready for a big surprise!
Very easy! You will be plugging your existing turntable motor power cord into the ADS and then the ADS to your wall outlet or line conditioner and voila! You can now calibrate the speed with the two separate 33.3rpm/45 rpm dials.
Oz, Is there no display on the ADS? Do you have to use a stobe disc to see visually it's on point? Do you do this just once? Does the disc come with it?
Hope you can help me with a Question, You remember those really nice record storage boxes you use? I bought some but I am wondering if it is possible to stack them or if that would warp the records that are on the bottom of the stack?
Hi! That's interesting you mention that, as I am about to do a feature on them. I assume you mean the Bags Unlimited 12" LP Ultrabox made of corrugated plastic. Yes, they are designed so that there is an inch or more of space under the lid. They can be stacked2 or 3 high without any issues. I have done four but only temporarily, not for long term. Even so they are very strong!
@@ThePressingMatters I just re-arranged my bedroom and I have uncovered a nice little area that I can stack 3. Thank you so much my Friend looking forward to the video.
That’s kind of crazy that for the expense of the VPI you’d need to spend more money to make sure that the speed was correct If I spent that amount of money and was having speed issues it’s going back baby!! It’s worthless if the speed is not correct!!!
The speed issue was because of the wrong pulley. Now that's it's the correct one, all is well within tolerances. The ADS is not absolutely necessary at this point. But it does more than just lock in speed. It cleans up the power from the wall which in my house goes from 117 to 121! That affects the speed of a motor. This device eliminates that problem providing a clean 120 to the motor. It's like a power conditioner in some ways. Perhaps Oz can elaborate.
@@ThePressingMatters Well said Scott. You are 100% accurate. Just to be clear, this VPI Scout is running as accurately as any belt turntable can ever be expected to run. You will be surprised how off most belt driven turntable are once you start checking with a strobe! Case in point: Yesterday I was at a local client's home demoing a tube line stage I brought over for his consideration. This gentleman uses a Rega Planar 3 turntable and I will tell you, this thing runs so off spec (as in fast) that in this particular case anyone can easily hear the speed discrepancy even by ear. No strobe needed. The offending recording was song by Dire Straits - I think from Brothers in Arms? Tell you what... the record was pinning so darn fast that at first I did not even recognize Mark Knopler's voice - he sounded higher pitched almost like a chipmunk! WTH!? I couldn't believe it. And you know what? My client was blissfully unaware of the issue which was perhaps the weirder part. Perhaps most people cannot discern pitch? I can. Scott can. But in any event, you can rest easy @davepounds8924. Unless you are using a direct drive with Quartz Lock, believe me, your belt drive isn't running as perfect speed-wise as you think. If you don't believe me, throw a good strobe disc on the platter and use a 300Hz light and prepare for a shock.
That is a great example Oz, as real world as you can get. Even the free app can show the discrepancies between table speeds. Like Oz said many are blissfully unaware. That was me until my eyes were opened. And now I know why my Basis was many times 'off.' I couldn't pinpoint why, but some days it was on point and other times frustratingly opaque sounding. I chalked it up to the power grid. Now I know it was to do with power fluctuations.
speed controller only way to go. unfortunately those hold their value on the used market. uggg. i run an ads with a roadrunner tach on my TNT. its all a bit pricey, but worth it for my ocd mind! and you can use those components down the road with other tables.
Right, I did order an ADS and it should be here by the weekend. I've made my decision. Will be announcing soon with more info! Considering I got nearly 20 years of use of the Basis, I'd say the trade over and relatively reasonable cost for the ADS is a great value and a big sonic step up.
@@ergloo6660 Definitely dirty fluctuating AC from the outlet will be heard in some way. This is what power conditioning regeneration is all about, and why the ADS is a nice upgrade.
So are you a pontificator Scott ?. Great two videos, but it’s a no brainer, you’re getting a much improved experience for no money, but will buy a speed controller. What’s going to change in two weeks that’s different. Oz sounds an amazing dealer, I’m very fortunate I have the same relationship of 20 years with my guy, no sales pressure everything demoed at home within my set up. Makes such a difference. PS I have that Warnes Blue Raincoat box, it’s superb isn’t it 🫶
Maybe a procrastinator 😀 I'm pretty much decided on this. Oz has made it easy to audition and hear for myself, and now it's just a formality to say yes. Yes, that Famous Blue Raincoat record sounds flat out amazing. One of the best.
Note to please watch the previous video first to get the whole story:
System Update! Could a VPI Scout Turntable Take Center Stage In My System?
ruclips.net/video/GKAbi5ZShDg/видео.html
Congrats. When I auditioned my Linn, I listened to various set ups. The Lingo 4 ( the linn motor/speed controller ) made a huge difference. So make sure you get the equivalent for your Scout. A better turntable will just increase your own goosebumps when listening to the music that you love.
Thank you!
The importance of speed control seems to be something many people are not aware of. I had no idea until I saw the demonstration and heard it for myself. Now that you have lived with the Lingo, I'm sure it would be very obvious if you went without it
Some commenters seem outraged that 'you have to spend more to get it to work right' are missing the point. These tables do work as they should without, just like an LP 12 does without the Lingo. This is simply an extra level of refinement that brings us closer to the music.
That I'm playing in the used market makes this an easy decision!
You were inspiring me to consider a turntable upgrade and then you end up upgrading to my current TT absent the Prime platter and ADS. Mine runs a little fast so the ADS might be in my future. Two things I have found to improve the sound are the IsoAcoustocs GAIA feet and products from Origin Live (the enabler at the very least). Great channel, thanks for taking the time.
I have a third VPI video in the works with the final tweaks to the anti skate, and some listening impressions with the ADS. I am considering feet or platform, and there may be a surprise VPI announcement soon!
I’m very pleased for you Scott. It is such an important component to get right.
I bought a Kuzma Reference turntable, second hand, about 10 years ago or so. It is rock solid. I did the same thing and checked the speed and it was solid on both 33 and 45. The difference it makes is incredible. My mate and I were really quite blown away by the difference over it and my previous turntable (a Source) and his current, at the time(a Luxman, with speed control).
It sounds like you have found a new turntable and I’d definitely get the speed controller and then you are sorted. Enjoy the music!
Thanks for your reply! I've always been of the mind that the source is the most important part of an analog playback system. This experiment has shown me how much I was missing. it is definitely not a lateral move from the Basis.
Last night I had one of those "peak audio experiences" with a particular record on this table. I was so blown away, I made my decision right there.
That record and the announcement coming up on the next video!
It’s been fun for me to watch this and the other video. Hearing about the issues you’ve encountered and how you’ve worked through them has been educational and super interesting. Your salesperson Oswaldo is pretty amazing for all the time and energy he’s putting into taking care of you, making multiple trips to your house, sourcing parts for the VPI Scout to make it run optimally, and lending you gear to try out in your home. He sounds like the dream salesperson. I deal with the owner of my local hi-fi shop and he’s helpful, but Oswaldo is next-level. It’s clear you really appreciate him.
Seems like your mind is practically made up, and it seems like the decision you’ll make is absolutely the right one. Congrats in advance for this excellent new addition to your system.
Warmest regards
Ron C.
Hi Ron!
I hope you are doing well! I'm glad you caught these two videos. It's been a fun diversion that's yielding some serious sonic benefits.
Oswaldo is just incredible. I wish everyone had a salesman this dedicated. I trust he has my best interests at heart, and he's probably even more excited than me! That he is a VPI dealer himself makes this an easy decision. To think, I met him through the channel, just like you. This is what I love about the channel - it's not numbers or money, it's sharing passion for our hobby and making lifelong friends.
Glad to hear everything is working out on getting the Scout back in working order! I may be getting ahead of myself but….. Welcome to the VPI Club!!
@@drunkenskelator You know, I think you're right on time. I'm about to enter the club!
Hi Scott. Your journey in equipment upgrades have been great to follow as well as your reviews. A VPI turntable is on my list of potential future upgrade to my current turntable. In my opinion, an even swap will allow you to fine tune this turntable with certain upgrades. VPI turntables are ones which you can maintain for a very long time. Cheers
Hi Brian!
Great to hear from you! Yes, I'm really enjoying this and love making videos about each step. I'm pretty much sold on this, but I'll give it another week to be sure. I haven't rocked out on it yet!
Glad to hear your comments on the VPI.
I recently bought a Signature 21 and enjoying it immensely. Just ordered the ADS and waiting for it to ship, the one speed pulley allows for running up to 3 belts. This should help reduce any drag helping maintain consistent speed.
Also like VPI because its so easy to adjust, replace parts and access the connections.
Great to hear from you. I did decide to get the Scout and the ADS. It's fantastic, a nice significant jump in SQ for me. I didn't get the pulley yet, but I'll probably do that next and get a couple of belts. I have to learn to handle all the adjustments myself. What are you doing about anti skate? Just the wire or does that come with the device?
@@ThePressingMatters I am not running the anti skate, did a test record and it preformed well without it. But probably going to invest in the "Wally Skater" device to make sure I'm OK.
If you aren't familiar with Wally Tools, there are informative videos on RUclips. Ran into them at Southwest Audiofest and was impressed with them.
@pnichols6500 Yes, I am familiar with it, also visited them at an audio show.
I have the vpi device that the previous owner had on it. This is the last issue that Oz and I need to get to. It's not installed correctly and we left if off until I get back from vacation but I spent a good week listening without it, and it sounds great and there are no issues that I could audibly or visually detect. Of course that isn't enough with anti skate, so we will need to do some testing with and without. Personally I'd rather it be sufficient without it. The thing seems to be very tweaky.
@@ThePressingMatters VPI doesn't think it's necessary (on their external wired tonearms) and just supply it for those that want to have it, so I feel comfortable not really worrying about it for now.
Hope the vacation was good!
Yes, the vacation is nice. I've been attending to family things but getting lots of rest too. I'm at the beach in Maine. Hope to go look around for records this weekend!
It’s really fun to watch a successful equipment upgrade. Congrats!
It's really fun, and quite a learning experience! Doing this with used equipment and just trading up is really cool too.
Good luck Scott with your decision, having perfect pitch belt drive inconsistency in speed regulation has always driven me mad and why I have favoured direct drives, I have one belt drive, and it has a speed controller. If the drift on the vpi is slow and consistent the ADS won’t be overly audible unless you have perfect pitch, so wouldn’t rush into that one imho, as to the dynamic difference to the basis, it’s long been known that acrylic turntables tend to be a little duller, but also quieter. The wonderful thing about vpis is the continual upgrade path so I think you’re going to be on a journey with lots of content possibilities, eg footers, tonearms etc … good luck :)
Thanks Andrew,
This upgrade has taken me by surprise, but it's been such a pleasure to explore the possibility. I've learned a lot, and am excited about the improvements I heard
It will make for some interesting videos as I go down the rabbit hole!
RE: 33.3/45 rpm SPEED:
It’s more having to do with the fluctuating voltage and power and frequencies coming from the outlet of your house. Every house and area is different and fluctuates. It’s possible that every belt drive TT in the history of TTs don’t hit the speeds dead on with no fluctuations. The technical reasons why is another conversation. Outboard electronics for SPEED ONLY addresses these issues. And we are talking about the difference between being able to lock the speed in exactly, not just within a certain tolerance that is acceptable to the ear. Even when a manufacturer addresses this, it’s usually in a seperate or isolated enclosure so as not to affect one of the most important jobs of the turntable, which is low noise and vibration transfer. And then in turn, is also reflected in the price of the turntable.
What a great explanation! I hope everyone reads this and Oz' comments.
Congratulations on the new turntable My origin live Calypso has speed adjustment set screws on the motor and from time to time with weather conditions and such you do have to adjust your speed control and it is especially noticeable on piano. People don't realize how important a rock solid 33 and a third is for a lifelike musical presentation. The human perception of accurate speed is uncanny.
Another thing to consider is vibration control ginkgo audio makes a vibration base for your turntable I know they're expensive but something you need to consider. I got mine on sale of course.
Yes some isolation solution is in the cards, though it's not an issue I notice.
I wouldn't have believed how much of a difference speed stability and accuracy made until I heard the VPI with the ADS. It's something that once you've had it in the system. You don't want to be without it. It is more lifelike and unlocks the music from the record.
@@ThePressingMatters The reason I mention vibration control, it's kind of like the speed thing. when you hear it and then you hear what it's doing you can't go back. I mentioned the ginkgo audio number one because that's what I own, and Michael fremer reviewed the product years ago. He was very impressed. You might want to do some investigating into this. it's a thing for the future to consider when you want the next upgrade. That's why I mentioned it.
I was on audiogone forums years ago talking to some folks about what I owned and I was thinking about doing a tone arm upgrade or maybe a cartridge. A fellow said to me if you haven't got anything for vibration control. That's the next thing you need to do.
@@RocknRonni That's exactly what my advisor and friend John has said to me. He's using some 3 inch maple on some footers but I will definitely check out the Gingko products too.
I added the SDS to my VPI Classic 3 and realized substantial improvements. Great upgrade.
Good to hear because there are some comments that don't understand if and why it's necessary or desirable. If you'd like to respond with your experience in the subject, please do! There's some misunderstanding out there.
As you have experienced, the SDS (and, I'm sure, the ADS) add further speed solidity. You get quicker stopping and starting of notes, less blurring, more authority. But everyone needs to audition any potentially new component to see if there's enough improvement in their system to warrant the purchase.
The VPI Scout, a great turntable and value, is made into a much more substantial table with the upgraded platter.
I can't recommend enough auditioning the VPI peripheral clamp.
@@jeffbellin8224
Well, that's exactly what I was hearing! I kept my comments brief about the ADS because my time with it was so short, but it's as you describe here.
So I think this is a go, and I can get a deal on a ADS so for minimal outlay (as The Basis is the main payment) I'll have a VPI Scout with Classic Platter and ADS Controller. More important I'll have an instrument that conveys the beauty and emotion of music in a way I hadn't experienced before.
@jeffbellin8224 Once I've settled in with this, I'll ask Oz if I can hear what the ring can do. I've heard only great things about it.
@fasteddie2413 And after upgrading my speakers and integrated amp, I'm hearing incredibly wondrous moments of subtle shifts that I've never heard before, inflections imparted by the musicians that make the performances riveting in a way I've never heard before. Like you, revisiting older albums in my collection can be a revelation.
This is off the subject but congrats on your VPI. I have a VPI Prime. Andreas Vollenweider is one of my favorite artist. I have a couple of his albums. White Winds is an albums that I always go to when, I’m referencing new gear. Especially the track The Glass Hall. I just love Pan Flute in it.
Thanks!
Regarding White Winds, I actually did a video on it as a Record To Die For!
ruclips.net/video/wLxi5f7gr28/видео.htmlsi=e1Fk9gH5M1HHyFOm
Picking up my VPI Scout next week with tweaks and the new DS Audio 003 System: Cartridge & Phonostage. Fun times.
Congratulations! I've decided to get this one too, with an ADS. Will announce in a new video next week! It is nice to treat yourself to an upgrade!
@@ThePressingMatters Will you do a review with the DS Audio and the VPI? Would love to see what you think about this combo.
Oh I'm speaking of the Scout with Classic Platter, JMW 9 Arm, Hana ML Cartridge and the ADS or Analog Drive System Speed Control. Yes, I'll be reviewing it!
For anyone curious about the ADS
From VPI website:
“The ADS design includes two pure analog frequency generators featuring low distortion and noise; a high current Class-A/B amplifier that is transformer-coupled to the turntable output; analog control logic for low noise operation; 33/45 RPM analog speed adjustment controls with center detente positions that are factory calibrated. “
“ • There are separate speed adjustment controls for 33 and 45 RPM.
• The controls have a detented center position that is factory calibrated for 60 Hz (33 RPM) and 81 Hz (45 RPM).
• The speed is continuously adjustable +/- 3 Hz”
Scott has me buying organ music! LOL! I've been interested since the A75 The Yes Album with their use of the organ.
Ha did you find a copy of Magnum Opus? I'm absolutely confident in that recommendation. If you've ever been in an acoustically perfect church with a real pipe organ, you've had a taste of what you will get on Magnum Opus.
@@ThePressingMatters I put it in my Want List on Discogs. I've got a Dave Matthews Band box set I'm going to buy next week and I"ll get one of these in a couple more weeks.
Awesome, let me know what you think when you get one!
Wow! Go for it! Opportunities like this don't come around every day. Thanks for your insights. VPI is on my dream list.
Hi Jason,
I really think it's going to happen! Thanks for watching, and make sure you listen to those files. I'd love to o know what you think!
@@ThePressingMattersVPI is definitely getting extra accurate percussive mallet sounds. Very interesting listening back to back.
@@jasonsmith2032 Thanks for taking the time to listen. I listed some of the things I heard in the playback of these tracks in the description box. Yes, percussion having more detail in a good way was one. You can check out the other things I noted there.
Congrats! You are the only one who has listened to the files and commented!
@@ThePressingMatters You've made me really curious about the speed stability factor in my own system (vintage Thorens TD 165 Mk2 modified/tied into a much bulkier plinth). For $1k I think it was a great value, but I dream of tables like a Scout. All I would need to do is sell a big stack of records to make that happen... [That's the hard part for me]
@jasonsmith2032 it's an important thing to check, but it's important not to overreact as I found out! It may not be on exact speed. Within tolerance is ok, and it's more important it's not fluctuating. That, you will hear, where it running a tiny bit fast or slow consistently would only be noticiable in extreme situations. There are minor tweaks (fresh belt, pulley adjustment, spacing of the motor) that I did to bring it as clase as possible. I've decided on the ADS Speed Controller as an add on because I found it at a reasonable discount. I'll let you know how it all turns out in the last installment!
Scott, there is a look in your eye that we all know. The VPI is in, and the Basis is out. 😁
Haha, you are very perceptive my friend! Have had my finger in the trigger all day!
Almost every update we make alters the sound Scott! If you like what you hear go for it. Enjoy it!! 😊
Of course it does! Is it better or just different? So far I'd say better! Thanks for watching and commenting,
Hi Scott, I think the type of nuances you are experiencing can be quite eye opening when observed in the same time frame. In further auditioning, I would suggest you listen to that Heifetz Impex release that you reviewed some time ago. The organ at the beginning of the Vitali would be a good test for good pitch stability. Another suggestion is the last 4 minutes of the last movement of Mahler’s 3rd symphony where a D major chord is held for a long time. Good luck on your adventure!
Hi Paul!
Great observation and a wonderful suggestion on the Heifetz record. I'll do that tonight.
Thanks for following along with this adventure. Great to have your feedback!
The dimensional accuracy of the belt is by far the weakest link in the motor drive system. You may be able to improve speed stability if you simply change the belt on your Basis TT. AJ Conti, prior to his death, came up with a process to accurately control the dimensionality of his drive belts, however a belt alone will not guarantee dead on speed stability. There are other components that need accurate machining, IE pulley and platter, and of course you need a good motor.
The line frequency that controls motor speed is usually the least of your concerns but a quartz locked signal re-generator will fix that completely.
Thanks for your comment! Many good points are made here.
I've had a couple of the Superbelts from Basis. A fresh one is great for better speed stability but it doesn't last long. They are pretty pricy. I'm sure if I do this Oz will get one to sell the turntable. I think the benefits of the VPI extend beyond the speed stability. Both are good tables and I've enjoyed the Basis for almost 20 years.
Gee, Scott. I'm still so unclear as to which one you prefer! 😅
Me too! lol. I'm trying to remain level headed and not just swayed by something different but this seems more than that. Alll the individual merits aside, does the table make listening to music more enjoyable? Based on my listening so far I'd say yes. That experience with the classical record really showed me how true this was.
It is impossible for that motor to be controlled by the ads to the level that you expect because line fluctuations are constant and the transmission of the corrections even with a tachometer could not modify the platter/belt design to any real effect. It is certainly a convenience for speed change from 33 to 45. A periphery ring is a specific physical solution to coupling, vibration and warp relief. I believe one of many items better investigated. Good luck
The nojima lps are gloriously engineered Keith Johnson albums
What you saw on the speed control was the voltage correction and not the actual speed at the table.
Wait you are saying when the ADS was engaged, the lines on the disc staying steady did not change the speed of the turntable?
Maybe you are thinking it was an SDS with the display. As I underand it that is a voltage readout. But the ADS has no such display. You can make visual determination only with a strobe disc.
Oz any insight here?
Yes those Reference discs are beautifully engineered! I'm going to look for sealed copies of both.
I'm curious about the ring but it seems like it would be difficult to use. I'm accident prone lol
Sooooo cool
Thanks! The last installment will be in a video next week!
Welcome to the VPI club Scott! Quit waffling and say "yes." I don't have nor really miss the ADS controller though I do less "critical listening." Save your cash for the HW-40 isolation feet first and then a 10" fatboy 3D printed tonearm! 😁
Ha, I think the waffling period is over! I'll see what kind of deal I can get on the ADS, but yes the tow upgrades you mention will be on my list! Thanks for following the story!
sounds like you made up your mind nice
Glad you are enjoying the VPI. I would be curious if you had a speed controller on the Basis if it would close the gap betwern the two tables? Were the two wav files level matched? It is as if the Basis wav form is lower in level. A louder level is usually perceived as sounding better.
Thanks!
No we did not use the ADS on the Basis, but I agree it would be an interesting thing. As it was, I only had the ADS in the system for a few tracks. The objective for this phase was simply to get the correct pulley and hear the table with that. The ADS is not part of this package deal and was brought over for a quick demonstration. I need to feel the VPI performs better on it own against the Basis. I am coming to the conclusion it does, in several important ways. The ADS may be a future upgrade.
I didn't prepare the files but I'm sure they were level matched. The files are an interesting aside, which I found valuable, but the listening through the whole system in the room was what I really focused on as those files were done. Since AB comparisons were impossible due to different cartridges and the files were done two weeks apart, I felt they were useful rather than relying on memory.
As I noted, I use this track often as a reference over many system changes. I can tell when something is different in the way the music comes across. In the description I noted some of those observations.
I'd suggest if there is a slight volume difference between them , to adjust it on playback. If in fact the Basis track is slightly lower, even if turned up, I can still hear the differences quite clearly.
@@ThePressingMatters When I get a minute, I definitely need to listen to the tracks. Sounds like you are headed towards another great upgrade. Always look forward to your videos. Keep them coming!
Thank you!
I had no way of affecting/controlling how the waveform shows up. This is in fact a depiction of the lesser dynamic range of the Basis relative to the VPI.
Believe me I too was curious when I was level matching both tracks I noticed that no matter what I did to the gain (+ or -) that the waveform did not increase or decrease. They remained fixed for each file.
@@LetThereBeSound1 The graphs certainly reflect the listening impression. I didn't see the graph until much later.
Pianos are very hard to record correctly with microphone selection and speed consistency of the recording device. It gets more critical with the playback device.
Much knowledge gained from the past has been forgotten. For starters, turntable manufacturers seem to have forgotten about using A.C. synchronous motors. Because they are driven by the frequency of the current and that frequency varies very little, should the speed of the turntable not be correct, it comes down to a physical problem.
To show how frequency plays a big part with motors, when Hammond introduced their electro-mechanical organ, the feature which set them apart was the use of a synchronous A.C. motor, like which is used in A.C. powered clocks. No matter what the voltage is, varying a little above or below the voltage the synchronous motor was designed to operate at, the frequency of the current is what is critical. With the Hammond organ, if equipped with a motor designed to run at 110-120 volts and our common 60 hz frequency, if connect to a 50 hz A.C. frequency, the notes will be so far off that is would probably make you pull your hair out.
So, most current, if not all, turntable manufacturers have chosen to use D.C. motors. Speed pitch is easily adjusted through varying the voltage. But, if the turntable speed isn't monitored and automatically corrected, speed pitch can vary. This may be observed with "cogging" where the speed controller is attempting to correct the speed. This is most evident in direct-drive turntables, but can be witnessed on belt-driven turntables if the belt slips. Ambient temperature plays a role in speed pitch. Whether because of the temperature of the lubricant or stretching and contracting of the belt.
Sending out a turntable with an incorrect pulley size is inexcusable. That is not very professional. If you remember, this was a problem with the U-Turn turntables, initially. But, designed to be affordable, you are getting what you paid for.
If you want to hear something the way it was intended to be heard from a record, it is best to use the same turntable(s) which the record manufacturers use for QC. Most use Technics SL-1200's or it's clones. They all have variable pitch so that you can adjust it to your ear.
I suspect that for the critical listener, the other turntable manufacturers expect you to buy one of their external speed controls.
Great post and I'll respond to parts of it a bit later, but one thing to clarify. The turntable was not sent out from VPI with an incorrect pulley. This was the original pulley that the previous owner was using. He upgraded the platter but got an SDS at the same time. So he was getting by with this pulley. If you watch the first video this is all explained.
Good luck with the VPI, I own a Classic and my ADS went out, so I’m waiting for the email to send it in to them. I have though bought two other turntables, the Technic SL-1200GR and a Denon DP-3000ne because I wanted questions answered that no reviews both written or on RUclips were talking about.
The Classic with that 600rpm motor in my opinion never needed the ADS, but I caught a deal years ago and bought it. The two direct drive tables are interesting and the speed stability and rhythmic drive is outstanding. For the moment I will be keeping them all, but if you want that audiophile look, the Denon is it and it’s almost as heavy as the VPI. Whoever said all turntables sound the same obviously lied.
Scott did you ever do the review for the Hana ML that cartridge just gets better with time? Also Scott, I found out that adding a set of Accoustic Gai III feet made a sizable improvement in black backgrounds in the VPI.
Thanks for all the gear information and user experience. It may not really need the ADS, but it's pretty cool to have. Like I mentioned I didn't notice an immediate sonic benefit, it more a peace of mind. It's probably actually simpler to change speed via the pulley. I'm already used to that!
I am waiting just a little longer for the Hana ML follow up. I needed to hear it in a different setting and now I have. With a little more listening time, I'll have a lot to say in it!
Compared a Technics SL1200G to a VPI Prime, I still own the SL1200G :)
@@jerrysnead2842 That is a superb table, I've only heard great things s as bout it! Congratulations
Forgive me for noting, any turntable that you have to buy a 1K upgrade to get the speed correct does not seem like a good investment
Jerry. It’s more having to do with the fluctuating voltage and power and frequencies coming from the outlet of your house. Every house and area is different and fluctuates. Outboard electronics for SPEED ONLY addresses all those issues. Even when a manufacturer addresses this, it’s usually in a seperate or isolated enclosure so as not to affect one of the important jobs of the turntable, which is low noise and vibration transfer. And then in turn, is reflected in the price of the turntable.
@johndeuble64 Thank you for explaining this. There was a second comment along similar lines and I explained I can see my line voltage changing all day long. 117, 119, 120, 122v. It's displayed right on my Panamax. So while the motors on these turntables can operate in acceptable range they are not dead on. It's not just VPi or Basis. Even the ultra Tech Das uses a speed controller. High end manufacturers know they need to address this.
The speed is correct and within spec but not perfect locked in with no absolute deviation. No belt drive runs perfect. Throw a professional strobe disc on your platter (if belt drive) and be ready for a big surprise!
…just calm down Ozzy Oz
@@johndeuble64 He has a firm way with words, lol. But he absolutely has the knowledge and experience to back up his observations.
I'm obsessive as well, and I've seen similar results on my TT as you saw on the VPI. I should consider the ADS at some point. Is it easy to hook up?
Very easy! You will be plugging your existing turntable motor power cord into the ADS and then the ADS to your wall outlet or line conditioner and voila! You can now calibrate the speed with the two separate 33.3rpm/45 rpm dials.
Oz, Is there no display on the ADS? Do you have to use a stobe disc to see visually it's on point? Do you do this just once? Does the disc come with it?
Hope you can help me with a Question, You remember those really nice record storage boxes you use? I bought some but I am wondering if it is possible to stack them or if that would warp the records that are on the bottom of the stack?
Hi!
That's interesting you mention that, as I am about to do a feature on them. I assume you mean the Bags Unlimited 12" LP Ultrabox made of corrugated plastic. Yes, they are designed so that there is an inch or more of space under the lid. They can be stacked2 or 3 high without any issues. I have done four but only temporarily, not for long term. Even so they are very strong!
@@ThePressingMatters I just re-arranged my bedroom and I have uncovered a nice little area that I can stack 3. Thank you so much my Friend looking forward to the video.
Great! Aren't they awesome?! They look slick too in black and white!
That’s kind of crazy that for the expense of the VPI you’d need to spend more money to make sure that the speed was correct If I spent that amount of money and was having speed issues it’s going back baby!! It’s worthless if the speed is not correct!!!
The speed issue was because of the wrong pulley. Now that's it's the correct one, all is well within tolerances. The ADS is not absolutely necessary at this point. But it does more than just lock in speed. It cleans up the power from the wall which in my house goes from 117 to 121! That affects the speed of a motor. This device eliminates that problem providing a clean 120 to the motor.
It's like a power conditioner in some ways. Perhaps Oz can elaborate.
@@ThePressingMatters Well said Scott. You are 100% accurate. Just to be clear, this VPI Scout is running as accurately as any belt turntable can ever be expected to run. You will be surprised how off most belt driven turntable are once you start checking with a strobe!
Case in point: Yesterday I was at a local client's home demoing a tube line stage I brought over for his consideration. This gentleman uses a Rega Planar 3 turntable and I will tell you, this thing runs so off spec (as in fast) that in this particular case anyone can easily hear the speed discrepancy even by ear. No strobe needed.
The offending recording was song by Dire Straits - I think from Brothers in Arms? Tell you what... the record was pinning so darn fast that at first I did not even recognize Mark Knopler's voice - he sounded higher pitched almost like a chipmunk! WTH!? I couldn't believe it. And you know what? My client was blissfully unaware of the issue which was perhaps the weirder part. Perhaps most people cannot discern pitch? I can. Scott can.
But in any event, you can rest easy @davepounds8924. Unless you are using a direct drive with Quartz Lock, believe me, your belt drive isn't running as perfect speed-wise as you think. If you don't believe me, throw a good strobe disc on the platter and use a 300Hz light and prepare for a shock.
That is a great example Oz, as real world as you can get. Even the free app can show the discrepancies between table speeds.
Like Oz said many are blissfully unaware. That was me until my eyes were opened. And now I know why my Basis was many times 'off.' I couldn't pinpoint why, but some days it was on point and other times frustratingly opaque sounding. I chalked it up to the power grid. Now I know it was to do with power fluctuations.
speed controller only way to go. unfortunately those hold their value on the used market. uggg. i run an ads with a roadrunner tach on my TNT. its all a bit pricey, but worth it for my ocd mind! and you can use those components down the road with other tables.
Right, I did order an ADS and it should be here by the weekend. I've made my decision. Will be announcing soon with more info!
Considering I got nearly 20 years of use of the Basis, I'd say the trade over and relatively reasonable cost for the ADS is a great value and a big sonic step up.
Simple GIGO (garbage in garbage out)
Hi!
Not sure what you are referencing here, would you like to elaborate?
@@ergloo6660 Definitely dirty fluctuating AC from the outlet will be heard in some way. This is what power conditioning regeneration is all about, and why the ADS is a nice upgrade.
So are you a pontificator Scott ?. Great two videos, but it’s a no brainer, you’re getting a much improved experience for no money, but will buy a speed controller. What’s going to change in two weeks that’s different.
Oz sounds an amazing dealer, I’m very fortunate I have the same relationship of 20 years with my guy, no sales pressure everything demoed at home within my set up. Makes such a difference.
PS I have that Warnes Blue Raincoat box, it’s superb isn’t it 🫶
Maybe a procrastinator 😀
I'm pretty much decided on this. Oz has made it easy to audition and hear for myself, and now it's just a formality to say yes.
Yes, that Famous Blue Raincoat record sounds flat out amazing. One of the best.