I couldn't agree more. No matter who was the leader of Germany after one of these assassination attempts, the Reich was doomed to fail. The Axis simply couldn't keep up with the endless manpower and supplies the allies were sending to the field, and the Soviet red army was a seemingly unstoppable force as it raced to Berlin
If Hitler was killed in 1943 , the D-Day invasion might have failed dragging the war out long enough for Germany to build more jets to stop the Allied bombings. If Germany regained air superiority , things would have been very different.
@@j.robertsergertson4513 lol Germany couldn't build jets because they had no materials or fuel to train the pilots. Without d-day you think the bombings would just stop? They didn't lose because of lack of wunderwaffe, they lost because of simple arithmetic. A total war is fought in the factories, not in the battlefield
@@j.robertsergertson4513 By 1944 Germany was severely low on oil and men. Simply building more jets isn't an option if you don't have enough fuel or pilots to run them. Plus D-Day failing wouldn't stop the German defeat anyway as the Allies were already invading Italy and the Soviets had massive offensives planned no matter what the western Allies did
@@oliversherman2414 Actually.. in 1944 Germany was producing more oil than ever before but with the Normandy landings blasting through the atlantic wall and the Soviets unleashing operation bagration the situation was basically almost hopeless for Germany.
@@j.robertsergertson4513 nope since M262 wasn't that much better than P-51 and Allies got the jets too in 1945 which were as good. Stop the Wehraboo bs
In Hitler's will, he named Admiral Karl Dönitz the new head of state. Himmler showed up at Dönitz's place and assumed he was going to have a position in this new government, and was repeatedly told to get lost.
@@bramstedt8997 on the contrary, many high-ranking members of the SS remained fanatically loyal to Hitler and the Third Reich until the end and even beyond. All of the major anti-Hitler conspiracies during the war, such as the 20 July plot (a.k.a. Operation Valkyrie), were planned by members of the Heer, the regular German army.
The problem with this scenario, is that the army simply wouldn't have followed Himmler. They were already extremely resentful of the Waffen SS, and would have revolted if the SS took over. With Hitler's death, the oath of loyalty no longer applies, and if it were the army that removed Hitler, they certainly wouldn't then just stand aside while SS thugs seized the state. In my opinion, there would have been 3 options, all of which still end in German defeat: 1: Surrender, as mentioned here. By '43, that is the most likely outcome, as most sane Germans knew the war was lost. There might be significant resistance to surrender in the east, however. 2: Someone more competent at grand strategy leads the war effort. Wouldn't be Rommel. He was not a strategist at all, and had arguably been promoted above his ability. You might see a military dictatorship as the Germans had in WW1. Von Manstein might have been tapped. Having just come of 3rd Kharkov, he had just shown he could work miracles. In any case, regardless who leads the military, the Germans still lose - it just might take longer. 3: If Himmler does make a power grab, then for the reason stated above, you have a civil war. Probably won't be a long one, because the military vacuum left on the fronts will lead to collapse, probably by year's end, if not sooner. Leaves room for a 'stab in the back' theory to take root. Oh, hang on, been there, done that.
If it was a military coup and the military seized power, wasn’t it likely to have gone to someone like Ludwig Beck? He was going to be head of state had the July 1944 plot succeeded. And I believe their goal was a negotiated peace with the west. With the right statesman and the right head of the military (Mannstein, Guderian maybe) it’s an interesting “what if” to speculate how receptive the west would’ve been to letting de-Hitlerized Germany duke it out with an un-aided Stalin
Not really That was with Hitler in power With someone new anything can be possible With troops looses rising and high projections of future looses and Englands high war debt a deal could be made
@@batmenace15 Una cosa es lo que se acuerda y otra que se cumpla. Muchos cuando analizais esta posibilidad tenéis la manía de considerar que el acuerdo de rendición incondicional se hubiese respetado si o si.
If Hitler had been assassinated in 1943, Germany would still have been defeated, but the post war map of Europe may have been different. The partition of Germany was agreed at the Yalta conference in 1945. If the Germans had opened their front in the west but kept resisting in east, the allies might have occupied all of Germany, so there would not have been an East Germany.
Given that by 1943, the USSR hadn't yet even crossed into Poland, perhaps even Poland and eastern Europe itself would have remained outside the Soviet sphere.
@@javiermoretti1825 Since Stalin's goal was to create a buffer zone between the West and the USSR, he probably would not have been satisfied by that outcome, although we don't know what he could have done about it.
If in 06-1941, Germany had not invaded Russia, am sure the USA would have tried to stay out of the war. Remember, not until 11/1942 did USA send in troops. Without fighting Russia, could the allies then the USa have overtaken the German forces.
@@1963Austria Your hypothesis has two fatal flaws: First, conquest of the USSR was a fundamental principle of NSDAP foreign policy; Second, Germany declared war on the USA.
Fun fact: Heydrich was barely scratched by asssassination attempt in Prague. He died days later of tetanus caused by this attempt that failed successfully.
The thing is that Heydrich's death was avoidable. Hitler personal doctor recommended a recently developed antibacterial drug for Heydrich, but Himmler's doctor who was treating Heydrich dismissed the idea. Heydrich died of sepsis. @@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
The himmler scenario plays out in a book called "Himmler's War," where adolf, yodel, Stauffenberg, and many others are killed at the wolfs lair (if i recall correctly), by a lost b-17 who needed to drop its load of bombs to make it back to England. Himmler takes over and nukes Moscow at one point, thanks to Otto Skorzeny. It's a very interesting read.
If they're getting all wild, why not a scenario where Goering kicks the morphine addiction, enlists the help of silicone-based lifeforms from the Andromedan galaxy, and conquers the Milky Way?
A really good alterante history video, makes me wonder though, what do you think would happen if Erwin Rommel, became leader of Germany through any of these plots?
He likely would've surrendered. He was actually part of the operation Valkyrie attempt on Hitler. The Nazis gave him a choice of honorable suicide by which he'd get a full state military burial and treated as a national hero or go to trial admit to treason be hanged and treated as an enemy of the state. Rommel took the suicide option. The Nazis told the country that Rommel was killed in battle.
While he wasn't a n*zi and probably didn't had an issue with jews, he still had expansionist ideas and would still try to capture other territories and failing in the process because by 1943 Germany was already screwed.
2:56 I think, if Germany would surrender at that point, then it could have been made into an conditional surrender. At unconditional surrender at that point seems unlikely to be accepted by the new military Government even if they know that they will lose. The War could even last longer with the Military focusing mainly on defense after their failed peace initiative. Some kind of secret deal would have been likely, even if the Allies stated, that they would only accept a unconditional surrender. An unneeded prolongement of the war would probably not be very popular in the Allied Countries that could be restored without a long slog and the US could focus on Japan.
A possible option might be that they would surrender but only to the Allies, not the Soviets. This might succeed as it would enable the allies to protect Poland and reestablish pre-war boarders without soviet puppet states.
@@ColinTherac117 That would be likely. 1943 had still many options open and I don't see people like Churchill preferring the Soviets to an limited radical Germany. Would be something like a deal that the Wehrmacht stays in power during the war against the Soviets and afterwards they have to disarm and have to allow elections.
I would expect that the outcome of Hitler being killed would have been a lot worse. I think that Himmler would have used Sarin gas - especially in the east against the Russians.
I don't think unconditional surrender would be the case in 1943 since it'd be hassle for Western Allies to force Germans to capitulate without any leverage when they are suing for peace. imo Churchill would try to convince Roosevelt to retract his stubborn unconditional surrender condition if Germans proposed they would leave the occupied territories of Europe and focus on the eastern front.
yeah, they def would have surrendered N Africa, left italy once mussolini was killed and Italy changed sides. But there was just wayyy to much hatred between facists and communists for there to have been an easy peace treaty on the eastern front.
Good luck convincing Stalin to agree on any but unconditional, he and the rest of the Soviet Union were going to do everything in there power to erase Hitlers legacy and Nazi’s as much as possible after all the things they did since the invasion in the Union.
There is no way Germany would have accepted an unconditional surrender in 1943. You really don’t understand history. The Germans were very fearful of the USSR and saw the war against Communism as the ‘war for Europe’. Even in 1945 when the war was a foregone conclusion the soldiers fought on - not for Hitler, but because they wanted to save their wives, children and culture from the Soviets and the destruction an “unconditional surrender” would bring.
Which given that during the occupation of Berlin, there were over 100,000 rapes daily just in the one city, the Germans had a point. It is an interesting comparison to view the fall fall of the Third Reich, where every single man woman and child fought with everything they had, even by throwing bricks from the bombed out remains of their homes, versus the fall of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan where the Taliban were welcomed as 'liberators'.
The conspirators that would have taken over even wanted to continue the fight against the soviets. They just wanted to make a deal with the western allies. They still probably would have lost, but at least the soviets wouldn't have full control over eastern europe.
Which is a rare case of the Nazis being right. The ground made by the Soviets was horrible not just for the Germans, but everyone living under the land, minus concentration camp prisoners. The West allies simply allowed the Soviets to take over all of those people in the East.
@@ColinTherac117 Plenty of Afghans did everything to flee, including clinging to the OUTSIDE of starting planes. Similarly way more civilians fled from the Soviet Army than oppose it. Also the Taliban don't have anything against you if you're a grown up Afghan dude - you simply don't tell them that you're against them and you're fine.
The Hitler's head accountant (or head analyst, I don't really remember, nor I care) was asked by Hitler himself, before the war - if Germany starts the war with England and USSR, how long will it take to lose economically? The head accountant's answer (after calculation and so on) was something like "The Germany will lose the war exactly at the moment when the war starts". Of course, that didn't please Hitler, so head accountant was sent to "do his math one more time". He had got the message and made a better-looking answer.
Something to think about for sure . Consider this though if Hitler was killed in 1943 , maybe the troops Hitler ordered to defend Calais , would have reenforced Normandy and the D-Day landings would have failed or maybe instead of the Ardennes offensive ,The Nazis fought a pure defensive battle dragging the war out for years ,until Germany could ve had greater #'s of jets fighters to stop allied bombing. Hitler's megalomania and arrogance probably helped the Allies .
Hitler's arrogance didn't effect the D Day Landings though, everyone outside of the allies thought that Calais would be the landing spot because 1. Its the closest and quickest distance from Britain, and 2. The Allies did a significant campaign using their spies and even tricking unknowing German spies into leaking information that Calais was the target.
Even if the somehow stopped D-Day or any other future similar attempt, that was not going to change the fact of millions of pissed off Russia’s marching there way to Berlin.
just a thing about animating falling objects (such as in the intro): -when it starts falling, move it slightly -as it falls further, move it 2x as far down as it was -repeat until object hits ground.
Always heard about German gold being found, by the time it makes it to be officially counted it's far less then the original amount. How would an average allied soldier go about selling a gold bar or other valuables? I'd think a bank would ask too many questions and anyone else could steal it from you and you can't go to the police.
Switzerland they didn’t ask questions most of banks in Switzerland were founded by stolen gold art they keep very good secrets .I would like to know where the Amber Room is it’s priceless
Himmler was also a Neo-pagan and despised the christian religion. Himmler also wanted peace with the Allies so the Wehrmacht could focus on the Soviets.
If it weren't for Britain holding out more or less alone for about a year, Germany would have had a chance. Though the Western Allies would've solved this Dolphy problem had they intervened in 1938, and actually pushed into Germany when Poland was being invaded.
The British were still years away from having all the equipment and men necessary to successfully invade Germany. France was closer, but I doubt they would've held when the might of the German military bore down on them. Especially since the German forces were not degraded, and would have been motivated to defend the homeland.
The answer is Goering because that is who Hitler said it would be. The designated successor to Hitler was Hess until he flew off to Britain, then Goering until Bormann stabbed him in the back in 1945 and then Hitler declared that the Weimar Republic power structure should return with Goebbels succeeding Hitler's original position as Chancellor and Doenitz succeeding Hindenburg as President. When Goebbels killed himself, Doenitz appointed Schwerin von Krosigk as the new Chancellor. For Himmler to take power, he would have to implement a coup. The Army would never have allowed the SS to do this.
No, the detonator in the brandy did not fail. Instead of a timer, it was designed to detonate when the plane reached cruising altitude. Soon after it took off, one of the engines began to run erratically. Rather than risk a landing, the pilot decided to fly close to the ground in case the engine failed totally, forcing them down.
The war in the East reached the point of no return, even if Germany appointed a leader who wanted peace, the soviets would demand so much that the new Reich government would be forced into continuing fighting. They would probably ask for peace terms with the western allies and pull out of all occupied territories. After all, Churchill hated both Hitler and Stalin. With Hitler gone, and the Germans out of Western Europe, Churchill may have even supported this new German government against the Bolsheviks. ‘Operation unthinkable’ tells us Churchills views on the soviets.
I like the video except isn't more than likely Himmler, or Goering would have surrendered to the allies, because both were working behind the scenes to just that Hitler labeled them both as traitors.
Very good job fellows throughout the 2nd century felicitous week of said moonlight May!! Congratulations. A really good alterante history video, makes me wonder though, what do you think would happen if Erwin Rommel, became leader of Germany through any of these 12 bold plots?!
Somebody competent? Germany had the Me-262 in 1939, the Sturmgewehr 44 was getting developed in 1942. Weapons that would've won Germany WW2 if they got them out earlier.
By 1943 it was entirely too late to salvage anything for Germany. Before the Battle of Britain was lost was the time to get peace with the Western allies. And yes, that could have been achieved. Churchill could have been forced to discuss terms (not by Germany, of course, but by Parliament). With the UK out of the war, there would be no D-day, and Hitler could focus on the East.
"Whoever killed Hitler replaces Hitler as the Hitler" Adolf: anyway, I shot myself to replace myself to become myself. (Translated) Go ask his art school
With Hitler dead in 1943, I see a civil war as possible scenario. At this point, Himler or someone else wouldn't be the only ones attempt to assume control, the Wehrmacht generals would likely be involved in this power vacuum as well. It may be possible that many Wehrmacht generals would surrender their forces in the Eastern and Western fronts and form alliances with the Allies against Hitler's remnants.
Wouldn’t have worked, the allies decided collectively that the Germans will surrender to all of them or none of them. Himmler tried to make a truce with the western allies in 1945 behind Hitler’s back, but they rejected him.
Best thing to have done was not engage with the soviets at all. Ever. The 2 nations developt tanks and other tactics together and agreed to do things together. They were helping a nation that was getting ready for a war years earlier compared to European nations that weren't modernized or really ready at all. Id be like starting a fight with a guy who already bought a new knife vs fighting someone with a worn down sharpened stick
With a peace with the west Germany could get oil from them Aid to the Soviets will drop or stop Germany with 100% of its army against the Soviets could hold them long enough to wear out the Soviets
@@theguybehindyou4762 Ike knew that it takes a whole country to win wars. Patton didn't think about building infrastructure, supply lines, taking care of medical needs, etc.
If that scene in 8:06 was inspired by COD Vanguard’s campaign, good thinking. That campaign though historically inaccurate was incredible and a great tale of camaraderie.
1:52 The Germans even managed to capture an American M60 machine gun. This is incredible, since the gun was. . . you could say. . . ahead of its time ^^
There was a period in time when Germany could have sued for peace and had a great chance of receiving a negotiated successful state. Pre Barbarossa of course. Best chance after the fall of France and before the Battle of Britain. Britain was actually very split around the time Churchill came into position. If Germany had done similar to this: Germany keeps its borders in Poland, Chzk, Austria, Denmark, keeps a province from Netherlands, Belgium, Alsace/Lorraine maybe more from France, and then: Releases all the rest. France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway restored to new borders, where they sign that all is well and forgiven so to speak. Britain may very well have accepted that and Germany would have doubled its border size. If Japan attacked USA a year later, Germany could just shrug and no European war. Although Germany would have still had some resource worries as far as 88 was of the mindset, they could have sold wheat and other resources for oil and other.
I agree. When Germany defeated France in the 1870’s wars, Wilhelm I and Bismarck never intended to occupy France because they knew that would probably lead to an European coalition against Germany. The occupation of Western Europe was a no deal to UK, and to US as well. If Germany only had all France (Belgium Netherlands too) under the Vichy regime, and left the west alone, Churchill would be pressured badly from within UK to sign the armistice. With peace secured in the west, Germany probably would’ve a shot against USSR, since UK and US wanted the two to fight to death.
No. The war was lost the moment he attacked soviets. While it began pretty successfully, by that time USA started lend lease program for soviets which helped soviets counterattack from east while allied forces bit by bit started reconquering from the west.
The "Unconditional surrender only" doctrine the allies were following might, just MIGHT, have been altered if Hitler had been assassinated and the other top Nazis killed or arrested.
“imagine if the entire context surrounding an event was different” well duh it would be different, but it’s completely unlikely any of those circumstances could’ve happened
Alot of inaccuracies in this. March 1943 Germany was still in a good position on the Eastern Front. Sure the Battle of Stalingrad had ended in the total collapse of the 6th Army, but elsewhere the Germans were counterattacking with overwhelming success. One such battle was the 3rd Battle of Kharkiv, in March that ended with just 4,500 German fatalties, and the total collapse of the city of Kharkiv and 45,000 Soviet troops killed, and completely destroyed the combat effectiveness of the Russian front. Which they had to spend April and May recovering from. The war only turned on its head for Germany in the late Summer of 1943, with the failure of Zitadelle in the Kursk region, and the allied landings in Sicily and Southern Italy. And had Hitler been assassinated, there would have been a coup. High ranking Wehrmacht officers would have seized power from the SS. The Wehrmacht and the SS can be described as the Soviets and Americans, they were not friends, but had a common enemy.
Had a German military coup taken place the war would not have ended early, because the military leaders would never have accepted the partition of Germany. If unconditional surrender was the only option, they too would have fought on to the bitter end. It is the only logical thing to do in that situation. They didn't want another dolkstoß. And betraying Germany's territorial integrity and accept any form of Soviet occupation would have done that.
Hitler's next in line being named "Himmler" is the most Waluigi bullshit.
😂
Reads like Sauran and Saurunman
It was actually Rudolf Hoss first Hermann Goering second then Heinrich Himmler and after Himmler it was Joseph Goebels..
*Hitler sitting in a recliner*
*The recliner next to him blows up*
Hitler: “Hmm, closer than last time.”
It mayve been better he survived, Himmler sounds worse than him
No
More like
huhhmm.. typical tuesday.⛱️
I wish he won WW2
@@TheDogGoesWoof69 that is an extremely dumb comparison that massively simplifies the issue to push forward your political agenda
Nobody can assassinate Hitler.
Hitler: Fine, I’ll do it myself.
"Minor details"
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"Yo, check out my K/D Ratio!" *Pow*
Hitler was so skilled at dodging bullets that only Hitler could beat him in a pistol fight.
bro 1v1d himself 💀
“This enraged his father, who punished him severely.”
Dude……..uncool
"Write something original next time"
@@balabanasireti “find something to do outside of the internet”
Lmaoooo
@@balabanasireti dude uncool
IIRC, von Gersdof (spelling) rushed to the bathroom after Hitler left early and disarmed his suicide bomb with mere seconds to spare.
It's talking about a conspiracy theory against Hitler
There’s a joke in there somewhere.
I wish Germany won WW2
@@misterbig9025 I forbid trolls from this subthread
Hitler was saved from the bomb by his own personal bomb.
I couldn't agree more. No matter who was the leader of Germany after one of these assassination attempts, the Reich was doomed to fail. The Axis simply couldn't keep up with the endless manpower and supplies the allies were sending to the field, and the Soviet red army was a seemingly unstoppable force as it raced to Berlin
If Hitler was killed in 1943 , the D-Day invasion might have failed dragging the war out long enough for Germany to build more jets to stop the Allied bombings. If Germany regained air superiority , things would have been very different.
@@j.robertsergertson4513 lol Germany couldn't build jets because they had no materials or fuel to train the pilots. Without d-day you think the bombings would just stop? They didn't lose because of lack of wunderwaffe, they lost because of simple arithmetic. A total war is fought in the factories, not in the battlefield
@@j.robertsergertson4513 By 1944 Germany was severely low on oil and men. Simply building more jets isn't an option if you don't have enough fuel or pilots to run them. Plus D-Day failing wouldn't stop the German defeat anyway as the Allies were already invading Italy and the Soviets had massive offensives planned no matter what the western Allies did
@@oliversherman2414 Actually.. in 1944 Germany was producing more oil than ever before but with the Normandy landings blasting through the atlantic wall and the Soviets unleashing operation bagration the situation was basically almost hopeless for Germany.
@@j.robertsergertson4513 nope since M262 wasn't that much better than P-51 and Allies got the jets too in 1945 which were as good. Stop the Wehraboo bs
2:56 bro his pen spins are insane
In Hitler's will, he named Admiral Karl Dönitz the new head of state. Himmler showed up at Dönitz's place and assumed he was going to have a position in this new government, and was repeatedly told to get lost.
Sounds like Donitz was a coward.
Wouldn’t have been the case in 1943, by then most of Hitler’s inner circle had either fallen out with him or planned to join him in death
@@bramstedt8997 on the contrary, many high-ranking members of the SS remained fanatically loyal to Hitler and the Third Reich until the end and even beyond. All of the major anti-Hitler conspiracies during the war, such as the 20 July plot (a.k.a. Operation Valkyrie), were planned by members of the Heer, the regular German army.
@@MicroRest no
Actually Himmler tried to offer a peace deal (only to the western allies) but of course this was rejected and when Hitler found out he felt betrayed.
The problem with this scenario, is that the army simply wouldn't have followed Himmler. They were already extremely resentful of the Waffen SS, and would have revolted if the SS took over. With Hitler's death, the oath of loyalty no longer applies, and if it were the army that removed Hitler, they certainly wouldn't then just stand aside while SS thugs seized the state.
In my opinion, there would have been 3 options, all of which still end in German defeat:
1: Surrender, as mentioned here. By '43, that is the most likely outcome, as most sane Germans knew the war was lost. There might be significant resistance to surrender in the east, however.
2: Someone more competent at grand strategy leads the war effort. Wouldn't be Rommel. He was not a strategist at all, and had arguably been promoted above his ability. You might see a military dictatorship as the Germans had in WW1. Von Manstein might have been tapped. Having just come of 3rd Kharkov, he had just shown he could work miracles. In any case, regardless who leads the military, the Germans still lose - it just might take longer.
3: If Himmler does make a power grab, then for the reason stated above, you have a civil war. Probably won't be a long one, because the military vacuum left on the fronts will lead to collapse, probably by year's end, if not sooner. Leaves room for a 'stab in the back' theory to take root. Oh, hang on, been there, done that.
Imagine if Germany wasn't fighting on multiple fronts and used 100 percent of its power against the soviets, I think ending would've been different🤔
@Dr1fty Something we agree on!!?? :O
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@@jedigamerjoe530 Thanks. This comment has gained a bit more attention than I thought it would.
If it was a military coup and the military seized power, wasn’t it likely to have gone to someone like Ludwig Beck? He was going to be head of state had the July 1944 plot succeeded. And I believe their goal was a negotiated peace with the west. With the right statesman and the right head of the military (Mannstein, Guderian maybe) it’s an interesting “what if” to speculate how receptive the west would’ve been to letting de-Hitlerized Germany duke it out with an un-aided Stalin
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Who knows, but whoever becomes next leader would no doubt try to end the war with the allies, the Soviets would be a different story though
thus recreate red alert 1
The other western Allies agreed that there would be no separate surrender for the Soviets at Yalta, so the result would still be the same.
I feel the sovoets wouldn't take anything less than seizing german territory if that happened
Not really
That was with Hitler in power
With someone new anything can be possible
With troops looses rising and high projections of future looses and Englands high war debt a deal could be made
@@batmenace15 Una cosa es lo que se acuerda y otra que se cumpla. Muchos cuando analizais esta posibilidad tenéis la manía de considerar que el acuerdo de rendición incondicional se hubiese respetado si o si.
Hitler: **survives several assassinations**
Also Hitler: *Aight, my turn.*
cringe...
@@PANZERFAUST90 don't really wanna start another world war here
@@onlymythicz Maybe don't use cringey words like *aight*
@@PANZERFAUST90 Ok then
@@PANZERFAUST90 your pfp is a nuke, my pfp is a roblox gasmask, were all cringe to different people
If Hitler had been assassinated in 1943, Germany would still have been defeated, but the post war map of Europe may have been different. The partition of Germany was agreed at the Yalta conference in 1945. If the Germans had opened their front in the west but kept resisting in east, the allies might have occupied all of Germany, so there would not have been an East Germany.
Given that by 1943, the USSR hadn't yet even crossed into Poland, perhaps even Poland and eastern Europe itself would have remained outside the Soviet sphere.
@@javiermoretti1825 Since Stalin's goal was to create a buffer zone between the West and the USSR, he probably would not have been satisfied by that outcome, although we don't know what he could have done about it.
If in 06-1941, Germany had not invaded Russia, am sure the USA would have tried to stay out of the war. Remember, not until 11/1942 did USA send in troops. Without fighting Russia, could the allies then the USa have overtaken the German forces.
@@1963Austria Your hypothesis has two fatal flaws: First, conquest of the USSR was a fundamental principle of NSDAP foreign policy; Second, Germany declared war on the USA.
Fun fact: Heydrich was barely scratched by asssassination attempt in Prague. He died days later of tetanus caused by this attempt that failed successfully.
A broken rib and injuries to his diaphragm, spleen, lung doesn't sound like 'barely scratched'.
@@MrDagren 'tis but a scratch
It was the horsehair stuffing of the seat blasted into his backside that caused septicemia and death
@@MrDagren With 21st century medicine he most likely would've made a recovery, but not in those days.
The thing is that Heydrich's death was avoidable.
Hitler personal doctor recommended a recently developed antibacterial drug for Heydrich, but Himmler's doctor who was treating Heydrich dismissed the idea.
Heydrich died of sepsis.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
The himmler scenario plays out in a book called "Himmler's War," where adolf, yodel, Stauffenberg, and many others are killed at the wolfs lair (if i recall correctly), by a lost b-17 who needed to drop its load of bombs to make it back to England. Himmler takes over and nukes Moscow at one point, thanks to Otto Skorzeny. It's a very interesting read.
That’s batshit insane
Germany didn’t have nuclear weapons in World War II
If they're getting all wild, why not a scenario where Goering kicks the morphine addiction, enlists the help of silicone-based lifeforms from the Andromedan galaxy, and conquers the Milky Way?
@@jonathanhagy9183 That would be f'g awesome, man! 😎
I like jonno's idea of space robots
Bomb explodes several chairs away.
Hitler: “Huh, two chairs off. That’s a new record.”
Can you guys cover the night of the long knives?
This alternate history type video is awesome! I'd love to see more from you guys
A really good alterante history video, makes me wonder though, what do you think would happen if Erwin Rommel, became leader of Germany through any of these plots?
He likely would've surrendered. He was actually part of the operation Valkyrie attempt on Hitler. The Nazis gave him a choice of honorable suicide by which he'd get a full state military burial and treated as a national hero or go to trial admit to treason be hanged and treated as an enemy of the state. Rommel took the suicide option. The Nazis told the country that Rommel was killed in battle.
While he wasn't a n*zi and probably didn't had an issue with jews, he still had expansionist ideas and would still try to capture other territories and failing in the process because by 1943 Germany was already screwed.
he wouldn't want that or if he did somehow have it thrust on him, he'd probably abolish the position.
Possibly a German Civil War, with Rommel heading the Wehrmacht on one side, and Himmler leading the SS/Waffen SS on the other.
Imagine if Germany wasn't fighting on multiple fronts and used 100 percent of its power against the soviets, I think ending would've been different🤔
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2:56 I think, if Germany would surrender at that point, then it could have been made into an conditional surrender. At unconditional surrender at that point seems unlikely to be accepted by the new military Government even if they know that they will lose. The War could even last longer with the Military focusing mainly on defense after their failed peace initiative. Some kind of secret deal would have been likely, even if the Allies stated, that they would only accept a unconditional surrender. An unneeded prolongement of the war would probably not be very popular in the Allied Countries that could be restored without a long slog and the US could focus on Japan.
A possible option might be that they would surrender but only to the Allies, not the Soviets. This might succeed as it would enable the allies to protect Poland and reestablish pre-war boarders without soviet puppet states.
@@ColinTherac117 That would be likely. 1943 had still many options open and I don't see people like Churchill preferring the Soviets to an limited radical Germany. Would be something like a deal that the Wehrmacht stays in power during the war against the Soviets and afterwards they have to disarm and have to allow elections.
Hi, could another video be about The assasination of Reinhard Heydrich by Czechoslovak paratroopers (27.5.1942) ???
I cannot believe Simple History made a Vanguard reference at the end there.
So it wasn't just me, huh?
New idea: make a video of operation torch American and British forces landing in Vichy French Africa.
The Africa campaign doesn’t get much coverage across the various types of media, at least not in depth
Nice content dude❤
I’m your biggest fan can I get shout out? 🥺🙏
I would expect that the outcome of Hitler being killed would have been a lot worse.
I think that Himmler would have used Sarin gas - especially in the east against the Russians.
If the generals didn’t off him 1st
Hitler knew more about war then himmler
I think you are correct about the gas. Himmler did not have the same reservations about gas & biologicals that Hitler did.
Hitler had that plot armor on
I don't think unconditional surrender would be the case in 1943 since it'd be hassle for Western Allies to force Germans to capitulate without any leverage when they are suing for peace.
imo Churchill would try to convince Roosevelt to retract his stubborn unconditional surrender condition if Germans proposed they would leave the occupied territories of Europe and focus on the eastern front.
Might of happened
Read Operation Flash
yeah, they def would have surrendered N Africa, left italy once mussolini was killed and Italy changed sides. But there was just wayyy to much hatred between facists and communists for there to have been an easy peace treaty on the eastern front.
Good luck convincing Stalin to agree on any but unconditional, he and the rest of the Soviet Union were going to do everything in there power to erase Hitlers legacy and Nazi’s as much as possible after all the things they did since the invasion in the Union.
There is no way Germany would have accepted an unconditional surrender in 1943. You really don’t understand history. The Germans were very fearful of the USSR and saw the war against Communism as the ‘war for Europe’. Even in 1945 when the war was a foregone conclusion the soldiers fought on - not for Hitler, but because they wanted to save their wives, children and culture from the Soviets and the destruction an “unconditional surrender” would bring.
Which given that during the occupation of Berlin, there were over 100,000 rapes daily just in the one city, the Germans had a point. It is an interesting comparison to view the fall fall of the Third Reich, where every single man woman and child fought with everything they had, even by throwing bricks from the bombed out remains of their homes, versus the fall of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan where the Taliban were welcomed as 'liberators'.
The conspirators that would have taken over even wanted to continue the fight against the soviets. They just wanted to make a deal with the western allies. They still probably would have lost, but at least the soviets wouldn't have full control over eastern europe.
It wouldn’t be unconditional
Germany would loose N. Africa and The west but still be able to fight the Soviets
Which is a rare case of the Nazis being right.
The ground made by the Soviets was horrible not just for the Germans, but everyone living under the land, minus concentration camp prisoners. The West allies simply allowed the Soviets to take over all of those people in the East.
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Plenty of Afghans did everything to flee, including clinging to the OUTSIDE of starting planes.
Similarly way more civilians fled from the Soviet Army than oppose it.
Also the Taliban don't have anything against you if you're a grown up Afghan dude - you simply don't tell them that you're against them and you're fine.
*Everyone failing to kill Hitler*
Hitler: "Fine, i'll do it myself."
The Hitler's head accountant (or head analyst, I don't really remember, nor I care) was asked by Hitler himself, before the war - if Germany starts the war with England and USSR, how long will it take to lose economically? The head accountant's answer (after calculation and so on) was something like "The Germany will lose the war exactly at the moment when the war starts".
Of course, that didn't please Hitler, so head accountant was sent to "do his math one more time". He had got the message and made a better-looking answer.
Source? Straight up bullshit lol
Something to think about for sure .
Consider this though if Hitler was killed in 1943 , maybe the troops Hitler ordered to defend Calais , would have reenforced Normandy and the D-Day landings would have failed or maybe instead of the Ardennes offensive ,The Nazis fought a pure defensive battle dragging the war out for years ,until Germany could ve had greater #'s of jets fighters to stop allied bombing.
Hitler's megalomania and arrogance probably helped the Allies .
Hitler's arrogance didn't effect the D Day Landings though, everyone outside of the allies thought that Calais would be the landing spot because 1. Its the closest and quickest distance from Britain, and 2. The Allies did a significant campaign using their spies and even tricking unknowing German spies into leaking information that Calais was the target.
Even if the somehow stopped D-Day or any other future similar attempt, that was not going to change the fact of millions of pissed off Russia’s marching there way to Berlin.
"Hitler's megalomania and arrogance probably helped the Allies ."
That's the way history often rhymes!
just a thing about animating falling objects (such as in the intro):
-when it starts falling, move it slightly
-as it falls further, move it 2x as far down as it was
-repeat until object hits ground.
More of this kind of content
imagine having so little honor, you attempt to assassinate leader of your country during the hardest time it ever had
Because Hitler led them to that time
Always heard about German gold being found, by the time it makes it to be officially counted it's far less then the original amount.
How would an average allied soldier go about selling a gold bar or other valuables? I'd think a bank would ask too many questions and anyone else could steal it from you and you can't go to the police.
I guess you could trade it for something of equal value and sell that.
@@Justin-pe9cl I assume they take anything to the quartermaster, plus an officer’s only going to be interested in intel, anything else is fair game
I always assumed they took it to the quartermaster
Switzerland they didn’t ask questions most of banks in Switzerland were founded by stolen gold art they keep very good secrets .I would like to know where the Amber Room is it’s priceless
You could melt it and sell it. If it has the original markings thry probably wouldn't allow it do you just melt it
Himmler was also a Neo-pagan and despised the christian religion. Himmler also wanted peace with the Allies so the Wehrmacht could focus on the Soviets.
I'm a little surprised that Rudolf Heß wasn't mentioned, even if he lost all inheritance after 1941.
Buddy wasn’t in the country
If it weren't for Britain holding out more or less alone for about a year, Germany would have had a chance. Though the Western Allies would've solved this Dolphy problem had they intervened in 1938, and actually pushed into Germany when Poland was being invaded.
The British were still years away from having all the equipment and men necessary to successfully invade Germany. France was closer, but I doubt they would've held when the might of the German military bore down on them. Especially since the German forces were not degraded, and would have been motivated to defend the homeland.
And if the German physicists weren't drafted into the Wehrmacht and continued working on the atomic bomb
@@chucks233
There's no indication that Germany would have built an atomic bomb any time soon.
@@MrCmon113 And i stated the reason for that above
I was thinking about this yesterday. what are the odds
The answer is Goering because that is who Hitler said it would be. The designated successor to Hitler was Hess until he flew off to Britain, then Goering until Bormann stabbed him in the back in 1945 and then Hitler declared that the Weimar Republic power structure should return with Goebbels succeeding Hitler's original position as Chancellor and Doenitz succeeding Hindenburg as President. When Goebbels killed himself, Doenitz appointed Schwerin von Krosigk as the new Chancellor. For Himmler to take power, he would have to implement a coup. The Army would never have allowed the SS to do this.
The most likely successor would be Albert Speer or Göring.
6:12 why is the guy being shot pixelated?
Censorship
“I was saving the planet from an Axis of Darkness, while you were back home opening National Parks! Yes!” Winston Churchill
While being a war criminal, classic
@@JoSheperdyou tossed away lives in Gallipoli like they were scraps off your plate!
@@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394 also his whole miserable country is the size of one state
"Never Surrender!"
Winston Churchill.✌
@@JoSheperd how was Churchill a war criminal?
Great content
*Somewhere in an alternate universe*
“I AM HEINRICH HIMMLER! Command of the Third Reich
Little known fact, ALSO DOPE ON THE MIC”
lmao rap battle of history
Did anyone else notice the M60 on the sandbags at 2:17
I swear, Hitler had more luck then a bloody Irish leprechaun for escaping all the assassination plots against him....
Some beardy dude from Cuba has entered the chat
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No, the detonator in the brandy did not fail. Instead of a timer, it was designed to detonate when the plane reached cruising altitude. Soon after it took off, one of the engines began to run erratically. Rather than risk a landing, the pilot decided to fly close to the ground in case the engine failed totally, forcing them down.
The war in the East reached the point of no return, even if Germany appointed a leader who wanted peace, the soviets would demand so much that the new Reich government would be forced into continuing fighting. They would probably ask for peace terms with the western allies and pull out of all occupied territories. After all, Churchill hated both Hitler and Stalin. With Hitler gone, and the Germans out of Western Europe, Churchill may have even supported this new German government against the Bolsheviks. ‘Operation unthinkable’ tells us Churchills views on the soviets.
I like the video except isn't more than likely Himmler, or Goering would have surrendered to the allies, because both were working behind the scenes to just that Hitler labeled them both as traitors.
I love how SH loves to reference CoD lmao.
Glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed. You got a good eye, Captain Price. 👍
8:06
Hitler is the man that always dodges death
When he was a kid he already dodges death💀💀
Very good job fellows throughout the 2nd century felicitous week of said moonlight May!! Congratulations. A really good alterante history video, makes me wonder though, what do you think would happen if Erwin Rommel, became leader of Germany through any of these 12 bold plots?!
I don’t think the Red Army would have stopped for ANY reason. Stalin wanted more territory.
43, probably just an earlier end to the war. 40, 41? Now that's interesting.
Somebody competent? Germany had the Me-262 in 1939, the Sturmgewehr 44 was getting developed in 1942. Weapons that would've won Germany WW2 if they got them out earlier.
8:05 Someone's been playing COD Vanguard......🧐😆
2:19 i like how all of them just fell over after surviving a bomb explosion 🤣🤣🤣
Call of Duty Vanguard: It’s time for me to shine
Surprising how they added it
By 1943 it was entirely too late to salvage anything for Germany. Before the Battle of Britain was lost was the time to get peace with the Western allies. And yes, that could have been achieved. Churchill could have been forced to discuss terms (not by Germany, of course, but by Parliament). With the UK out of the war, there would be no D-day, and Hitler could focus on the East.
0:02 US machine gun M60 on sandbags in the back 😀
History channel at 3 am be like...
@@floridaman4596 lmao I saw that video too
Simple History is now doing alt history content and i am here for it
"Whoever killed Hitler replaces Hitler as the Hitler"
Adolf: anyway, I shot myself to replace myself to become myself. (Translated)
Go ask his art school
"I want that thing"
"Okay, You can have i-"
"I want that thing"
Aaaand Repeat
No one gonna question why they took a scene out of cod vanguard?
They did this in the past with using Battlefied 1 references and COD 2 sounds. Is it a problem with you?
With Hitler dead in 1943, I see a civil war as possible scenario. At this point, Himler or someone else wouldn't be the only ones attempt to assume control, the Wehrmacht generals would likely be involved in this power vacuum as well. It may be possible that many Wehrmacht generals would surrender their forces in the Eastern and Western fronts and form alliances with the Allies against Hitler's remnants.
Loved the call of duty vanguard reference. Interesting stuff. 👍
RUclips made him sensor someone being shot at the back of the head but not people being gased lol
Did anyone else notice the M-60 in the museum? 😅
6:08……… why is this specific person blurred???
The best thing to do would have been to make peace with the allies, pull from Africa, then concentrate all forces against the Soviets
Wouldn’t have worked, the allies decided collectively that the Germans will surrender to all of them or none of them. Himmler tried to make a truce with the western allies in 1945 behind Hitler’s back, but they rejected him.
Hitler tried to make peace with England but she refused.
The Allies would never have agreed to that
Best thing to have done was not engage with the soviets at all. Ever. The 2 nations developt tanks and other tactics together and agreed to do things together. They were helping a nation that was getting ready for a war years earlier compared to European nations that weren't modernized or really ready at all.
Id be like starting a fight with a guy who already bought a new knife vs fighting someone with a worn down sharpened stick
With a peace with the west Germany could get oil from them
Aid to the Soviets will drop or stop
Germany with 100% of its army against the Soviets could hold them long enough to wear out the Soviets
8:06 nice Vanguard reference, even though it's despised.
Worst case in area would have been in 1942.
The most likely man to succeed him was Rinehart Heydrich.
Why was the execution at 6:10 ceonsored but not any of the other executios like at 6:27 forr instance?
Fun fact, had Eisenhower supplied Patton instead of Monty, the war would have been over in a few months
If Ike had stopped being an ally and started being an American.
average patton worshiping brainlet
Pattons plan wouldn’t of solved the allied supply issues and would have left the army over stretched.
@@theguybehindyou4762 Ike knew that it takes a whole country to win wars. Patton didn't think about building infrastructure, supply lines, taking care of medical needs, etc.
@@Jake-rs9nq Sounds like Patton was better suited to search-and-destroy missions.
The title of this video brings up so many questions...
There would be a power struggle to end the war.
Bro was there
3:00 pen spin
If that scene in 8:06 was inspired by COD Vanguard’s campaign, good thinking. That campaign though historically inaccurate was incredible and a great tale of camaraderie.
1:52 The Germans even managed to capture an American M60 machine gun.
This is incredible, since the gun was. . . you could say. . . ahead of its time ^^
Either a crudely drawn MG42 or the artist decided to take some creative alternative routes
There was a period in time when Germany could have sued for peace and had a great chance of receiving a negotiated successful state. Pre Barbarossa of course. Best chance after the fall of France and before the Battle of Britain. Britain was actually very split around the time Churchill came into position.
If Germany had done similar to this: Germany keeps its borders in Poland, Chzk, Austria, Denmark, keeps a province from Netherlands, Belgium, Alsace/Lorraine maybe more from France, and then:
Releases all the rest. France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway restored to new borders, where they sign that all is well and forgiven so to speak.
Britain may very well have accepted that and Germany would have doubled its border size.
If Japan attacked USA a year later, Germany could just shrug and no European war. Although Germany would have still had some resource worries as far as 88 was of the mindset, they could have sold wheat and other resources for oil and other.
I agree. When Germany defeated France in the 1870’s wars, Wilhelm I and Bismarck never intended to occupy France because they knew that would probably lead to an European coalition against Germany.
The occupation of Western Europe was a no deal to UK, and to US as well. If Germany only had all France (Belgium Netherlands too) under the Vichy regime, and left the west alone, Churchill would be pressured badly from within UK to sign the armistice.
With peace secured in the west, Germany probably would’ve a shot against USSR, since UK and US wanted the two to fight to death.
Why was one execution victim censored but right after that the next victim isnt.....?
Basically the war was already lost the moment it began
The war was already lost on 1942, they just didn’t realize it yet
No. The war was lost the moment he attacked soviets. While it began pretty successfully, by that time USA started lend lease program for soviets which helped soviets counterattack from east while allied forces bit by bit started reconquering from the west.
the war was decided the moment they turned against the soviets
Took 6 years
Yes germany couldnt have won a war under the nazis in 1939
0:10 "Damn time travelers. That's the third one this week."
My money is either a cabal of generals, field marshals and admirals with someone as a figurehead like Erwin rommel
Dean shot hitler (supernatural)
Not anyone who loved their people more than Uncle A!
Yes, Adolf the Austrian loved “his” people so much that he sent their young and old to die for him while he hid in a bunker.
@the guy behind you
Lol
The "Unconditional surrender only" doctrine the allies were following might, just MIGHT, have been altered if Hitler had been assassinated and the other top Nazis killed or arrested.
I doubt Stalin would ever agree to such a thing.
Make more alternate history content!
It was actually decided AFTER THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE
If they conquered Britain they would’ve been able to send EVERYTHING east
Imagine if Germany wasn't fighting on multiple fronts and used 100 percent of its power against the soviets, I think ending would've been different🤔
“imagine if the entire context surrounding an event was different” well duh it would be different, but it’s completely unlikely any of those circumstances could’ve happened
I'll bet for the people who all lived through this era,that it felt like it was never going to end.
In an alternate reality where Hitler dropped his plot armour....maybe.
The villain having plot armor is more acceptable in storytelling than the hero with plot armor.
@@silverhawkscape2677 Omniman: "Hold my morality!"
I was actually writing a scenario about this, now I could edit it thank you.
But WWII did bring positive change, that it weakened the other colonial powers that contributed to the postwar decolonization.
And we still got the mess today
Alot of inaccuracies in this. March 1943 Germany was still in a good position on the Eastern Front. Sure the Battle of Stalingrad had ended in the total collapse of the 6th Army, but elsewhere the Germans were counterattacking with overwhelming success. One such battle was the 3rd Battle of Kharkiv, in March that ended with just 4,500 German fatalties, and the total collapse of the city of Kharkiv and 45,000 Soviet troops killed, and completely destroyed the combat effectiveness of the Russian front. Which they had to spend April and May recovering from.
The war only turned on its head for Germany in the late Summer of 1943, with the failure of Zitadelle in the Kursk region, and the allied landings in Sicily and Southern Italy.
And had Hitler been assassinated, there would have been a coup. High ranking Wehrmacht officers would have seized power from the SS. The Wehrmacht and the SS can be described as the Soviets and Americans, they were not friends, but had a common enemy.
Ngl it's super hilarious how good times are happening and Stalin is always looking pissed off anyway
Had a German military coup taken place the war would not have ended early, because the military leaders would never have accepted the partition of Germany. If unconditional surrender was the only option, they too would have fought on to the bitter end. It is the only logical thing to do in that situation. They didn't want another dolkstoß. And betraying Germany's territorial integrity and accept any form of Soviet occupation would have done that.
Love these ‘What if’ Conspiracy theory scenarios!!!!!!🤗🤗🤗