I discovered math rock by searching “math rock” on Spotify while my way to math class so I could listen to some playlist meant to get someone’s mind in the mood for mathematics. Never did I expect to actually find a sub genre of music.
@@mellot00th This is an actual thing that happened and an E is a grade you get in updated public school systems. You must go to school where they still give out Fs and teach kids only to do whatever the bible says is okay.
Jay-Z math rock??? "I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas! Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide That's one every… let's say two, two of them shits was doo One was "nah," the other was Illmatic That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average" _I see it lol_
i felt this when i first heard it. it was definitely what i’d been looking for. sounds weird but i felt like i was able to breathe when i heard it. enjoy it, its amazing music.
He can legally show more than a few seconds but RUclips will strike him if he plays more than 2 seconds. I think he will still end up getting demonetized for this, unfortunately.
@@jameshiggins8601 it's protected under fair use if he plays even more than a few seconds but youtube is a broken platform that has its head up its ass so yeah one dumbass music company who know jack shit about law would request it's removal and RUclips would fold faster than superman on laundry day
Why on earth would an artist copyright strike a video meant to introduce new audience members to the artist? Seriously, in what world could someone believe that could do anything but help the artist?
Again, it's in the actual rules you can play 7 minutes of any song, just big music acts break this rule, and i feel, exceptiong American Football, this is a safe topic for that.
I feel like TTNG (This Town Needs Guns) might be an even better introduction to the genre. IMO, their album Animals is very accessible music while still being intricate and technically impressive math rock. American Football definitely has math tones, but like you said they fuse a lot of emo into their sound. That’s not a bad thing, I just think that TTNG might be a better place to start for somebody who’s looking to get into math rock specifically. This is a great video as always though, I think math rock is one of those genres that people are afraid to get into because it kind of gives off a weird vibe.
Animals is exactly what got me into math rock. Just clicked on the thumbnail cause I thought the album cover looked cool, but hearing the chaotic charm and energy of Chinchilla at the beginning had me so confused and memorized I just had to look into it more. American footballs a good band but tbh I feel like if you've never listened to math rock before you'd probably fall asleep on the first listen and never come back to it.
Their self-titled EP was what got me started. Animals is a great album, don't get me wrong, but on a first listen I think it all sort of sounds the same. Subsequent listens are awesome, but if you want a quick intro it may not be the best place to start. It's not perfect, but I think the self-titled has a bit more variation.
tricot is one of my favourite bands, they actually brought me to math rock. toe with their song 'goodbye' is one of the best songs i ever listened to. The emotion + complexity of the instrumental is off this world.
How are the bands in the Video? Like the clips in the background. I’m trying to find out the band at 2:55 mark. I think I’ve seen them before but I might be wrong. Also if somebody wants to list them all feel free to do so. I would really love to get into this genre. I’ve started listening to TTNG and they are amazing.
i found this genre on a random 1 hour playlist on yt titled like "japanese math rock to listen while strolling around in the cherry blossoms" and ive been in love since. for me this songs literally feel like a day in summer going to the beach with your friends. also (for those who watched them) those songs reminded me of the film "your name" when they start comunicating with eatch other using the other body
*Gives snippets of math rock songs so that the viewers can begin to understand what math rock is *Makes the snippets too short to even remotely understand the strange time signatures
RUclips has an entirely algorithm-based copyright system- you can only play a short snippet for it not to be automatically compared against a database and sent to the rights owners. They strike or claim the video, regardless of the actual intent. RUclips's only responsibility is to not host it. The value of what this guy's saying is greater than what a few seconds more of music can account for, the video version of that song is literally in the sidebar of related videos.
It's a sad state of affairs. This guy is promoting these bands, generating sales for them, but if he used more than a few seconds of their material, then the publishers would copyright strike him and steal all of his ad revenue. Even when it's against their own self interest, they are compelled to be greedy.
An interesting theme of a lot of Math rock is the feeling of regret and nostalgia for the past, which couples well with the lack of consistent melodies. A song reminiscing of a past love, with a beautiful melody that much like the love like the relationship is burns brightly then fades out never to come back(Pretty much the entire theme of American Football). The two go incredibly well hand in hand as as a result pulls emotions out in a way that the repetition of typical song structures can't. It also makes listening more addicting and interesting. Or maybe I just found math rock when I was going through a breakup. With that being said, the band that probably most defines what I'm talking about is TTNG which is my all time fav math rock band and Animals is IMO the best place to start if you're interested.
Finally have a name to the very specific music I sometimes crave to listen to but had no Idea what it was or how to find more other than knowing Yvette young had the sound
Polvo is the most criminally underappreciated band I've ever heard. When I stumbled across them on Spotify a few years I was beside myself. I hadn't been that excited about music in a decade.
Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.
lol. I never actually looked in to what this kind of music was called. All my girlfriends used to just say "oh, you are listening to that droning music again"... so that's what I've always called it; my "droning music". I feel more than a little silly for owning about a third of the albums on that Reddit chart and never having encountered somebody enthusiastic enough about the genre to tell me it's real name.
I listened to only Japanese music for the longest time because I thought the type of stuff you hear in this genre only existed in Japan. Bands like Haisuinonasa and Co Shu Nie were and still are my favorites because of how they mess with beat and chord structure. I wanted to start getting into American music again, but I couldn't find a good band until now.
@@dantemwatibo3517definitely the airy and light (but still strong) vocals in combination with the instrumental, normally you’d find vocals like that on a more basic song or cool instrumentals on a more basic voice never both, at least that’s what I think
I love that this is the first video that comes up when you type in math rock. I can imagine someone not knowing what it is and clicking the first video that pops up. It’s really good for people who want to expand their musical tastes! Really good explanation to someone who wouldn’t know a lot about it.
I love how positive your videos are, bringing to light music that the average person probably hasn't explored. I'd love to see more videos on sub-genres. I knew of math rocks existence, but I didn't know much about it. This was a cool informative and fun video. Keep up the good work.
I've seen people saying Battles is much more experimental in general than math rock, but it has its roots there since Ian was in Don. Hella should definitly be here, however.
Math is love, Math is life. Hyped on this vid. Here's a couple picks from me as a fan.. For instrumental Stuff check: Bullet Proof Tiger Floral Physics House Band Vocals: Colour TTNG (This Town Needs Guns) The Edmund Fitzgerald (Yannis and Jacks band before FOALS) and obvs first Foals record Antidotes
Thank you for the introduction. The “Absence of Evidence” is what I imagine Modest Mouse would have sounded like if they were more virtuosic. I now love them both. Thanks again.
Most people haven't heard this before but this is a band of my cousin's friends and they only made one album. If you're into math rock I bet you'll really like it. The album is All Things Considered by The Pelicants, it's on youtube.
If you like art rock-punk-art metal- and Mathy rock listen to MX-80 Sound - Hard Attack. Came out in 77' and predates a Lot of math rock. Also This Heat - Deceit uses a lot of weird time signatures and the originality on that album is unprecedented and never even close to replicated
>says "emo jazz" is a derogatory description >describes math rock band as emo jazz >uses emo band as good intro into math rock There's a very clear reason why it's got the connotation of emo jazz, and you described it.
Well, you were influenced by a youtuber. You won... A PIECE OF NUTSHELL (ah-ah, don't mind the roughness, hehe)!!! The description from one youtuber can be questionable as for any human being.
Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.
@@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Complexity, well, I get it, good point. But I wonder if there are Emo-Jazz bands with Saxophonists or Trumpetists. I don't think so.
@@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 I wrote that I agreed to you... You didn't read carefully. I'm not trying to take you for a fool, I mean it. And yes, they are not that close, but some German Math-Rock band sounded like Electric-Jazz-Math-Rock band (DANG IT I went too far, too long on the genre name).
Music is composed in two parts, how it makes you feel and how it sounds. There is a fine line between being technically amazing and incredibly inspiring. Technically amazing will be listened to once and appreciated where as incredibly inspiring will be listened to and studied for generations. IMHO a lot of prog rock is only technically amazing, but it's so complicated that most people forget what they just heard shortly after.
Loved the video, it would be cool if you did more “how to get into obscure genres” videos I’m sure many people would appreciate them and it would give so much needed love to some of the more obscure ones.
More like post rock or shoe gaze Sound Architects but great band. Fools and Foes, Run Dorothy, tide/edit, shaw, Tom's Story, Amateurish, Luncheon, Tim Awa, Trippy Oh!. Halo halo na yan math at post
Yeah I was very found of it as a teenager and was never able to find something equivalent. Their cleaner/grandiloquent sound in their following albums has been a real disapointment to me
Four important albums you missed: Slint - Spiderland Brave Little Abacus - Just Got Back From The Discomfort... We're Alright empire! empire! empire! i was a lonely estate - What It Takes To Move Forward toe - the book about my idle plot on a vague anxiety
@@marmota7615 king crimson is a prog rock band. the technical, experimental, and complex aspect of their music inspired math rock, but they are in no way part of the contemporary math rock genre
I'm not sure if "spontaneously" is the right word there. It suggests doing something on the spur of the moment, whereas performing a change of time signature mid song usually requires planning and a heap of practice.
@@KunstruktionSammlung i want to recommend an indonesian (my country) math rock band called Murphy Radio. Its not nearly as good as tricot but they will step up their game.
I'd credit someone like Rush as being one of the forefathers of this genre. In the 90's, in addition to Don Cab, you had Drive Like Jehu and especially Breadwinner.
Don't forget Breadwinner. They put out a record on Merge records in the early 90s that paved the way for Don Cab, the Champs, C Average, Trans Am, Dianogah etc
Math Rock is typically so complex that it is hard for us to focus, but it can be done. Recently, I’ve been listening to a lot of math rock (like Don Caballero) while I work on my English assignments, it has no doubt helped for me. The cool thing is, extensive research has proven keeping focus while multitasking is very beneficial for the brain. This is why fidget spinners (which is just some piece of plastic with a bearing inside of it) got so big, One of the main marketing strategies for these companies was to exaggerate these benefits. Our brain works in 4-4 rhythm, this is why it’s so hard to understand, and especially write, good sounding music with unique time-signatures, (and it’s why 99% of radio pop music sounds the same, that is, brain numbing trash.) if You can listen to Math Rock, while you’re doing productive work, that’s like mindlessly holding a fidget spinner x 500. Lol, I bet know one was expecting that comparison.
I like that you tried to answer the question, 'What is math rock?' You've gotta make a lot of discreet decisions about what to include in 5 minutes, which is never easy. It's good that you tried to show viewers an in-road into the genre; American Football wouldn't have been my choice, but I respect that none the less. A bit more history would have served you better; such as mentioning U.S. Maple and Lynx alongside Don Cab.
love learning about this in a condensed video with only 4 second samples. I'm an expert now. That's not even long enough to get through 2 11/8 measures!
Don't understand why Hella isn't here, although I could see why even Battles isn't here (one of my favorite experimental bands of all time besides Sweet Trip, Tera Melos, Animal Collective, Silver Apples and 65daysofstatic) considering that they're more of an experimental/post-rock band than anything else. Little to no irregular time signatures in most of their music, except for their debut solo album, which did feature a few mathy influences, but it's obviously post-rock at its core.
the book about my idle plot on a vague anxiety is definitely one of the best math rock albums, deserved a shout out here. ik you mentioned toe but I feel like music from that album could've been featured, and it's a little more accessible than lots of other math rock music. imo the snippets you used were too short and didn't really capture the essence of the genre for newcomers. never meant is great but you could've shown more of the song instead of the middle of a verse, and some of the other stuff seems like it would be off putting to a newcomer, at least without context.
So you showed amazing bands like Chon, Elephant Gym and tricot but don’t mention them at all? Ok... Also others to look up are Hail the Sun, Eidola (both also take some influence from metalcore as well), Covet, TTNG and Polyphia. Enjoy!
Is Hail the Sun really considered math rock? That’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. I consider them more progressive rock/post hardcore which was listed as influences of the genre... but I think they are much more mainstream than that. Their songs definitely tend to follow the typical song structure to a point which was mentioned here. I think they are fantastic so this is nothing against them at all, I just don’t think they are in that genre.
Chon hasn't been around for nearly as long as a lot of major math rock bands like toe, and i'd say that american footballs influence is why alot of why people associate it with an emo sound when most of the genre is just really intense rock jazz with spastic times or calm almost ambient guitar parts and the drummers going ham
Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.
Dude, THANK YOU! for some reason I stumbled upon this video and this opened a door I'll never close. I fell hard for this genre and I can't stop exploring more. Math rock rules 🤘
![American Football - Never Meant [OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_NfnXdXpjL0/mqdefault.jpg)
My sister's English professor was the drummer for American Football
CU Boulder!
ooooswain woooooow
Steve lamos is the man
Lame-os!
you serious dude?
Math rock is just playing a catchy melody then never repeat it.
*cries in Never Meant guitar part*
@@matteovismara816 HAHAHAHAA
@@matteovismara816 a good distinction is that if they get a math-rock lick and repeat it over and over, its probably midwest emo
@@matteovismara816 American Football is an emo band. Theyre not math rock band. I dont know where this got started
@@ab8817 Wikipedia doesn't agree with you, but who cares really.
If anyone wants to know the asian band he showed a million times but didn't mention, it's Tricot. I highly recommended them.
Tricot is triGOAT
They are hands down my favorite.
Thanks for making this comment!!
This really tickles that itch, thanks. Do they still do live shows? I’d love to go see them sometime soon if they do.
@@kostiheikkinen2178 they are still pretty active, you can find tour dates and music easily.
Funniest thing about Math Rock is that it’s probably really hard to concentrate on your Math homework whilst listening to it.
Tbh math rocked has helped me through hours of English assignments.
lol Im listening to math rock while doing math hw rn and its actually not that distracting. Kinda puts me in a concentrated trance
I love your username haha
Lol I literally did 3hrs of homework listening to Americ anFootball
True bruh
in england we say ‘maths rock’
Haha
MAF ROK
of course you do
@@DeadLightAdrift *maffs
We say that in Asia too
I discovered math rock by searching “math rock” on Spotify while my way to math class so I could listen to some playlist meant to get someone’s mind in the mood for mathematics. Never did I expect to actually find a sub genre of music.
Great video, but why is Mac DeMarco playing when you could've played math rock in the background
I feel like there's too much going on in math rock for it to be background music
I agree no Mac
Take it sloooowly brother let it goooo
MATH de Marco
@@loicpin2632 Let it gooooo now brother
What if we kissed in the American Football house?
😽
Le police has arrived
Nick George haha just kidding, unless?....
😳😳🥵😂😂🔥🔥
You'd break up and get back together 14 years later
Covet is so underrated. Such a good band, Yvette Young is great.
@Compass_- you got me, i'm a tier 3 yvette sub 😔
@@bongopod me too
Yvette young is a goddess
@@sroofikaden2355 i think they're too overrated
@@xylo5750 make that 11 😤
i love indie rock and my friend heard a song in my car and said “oh sweet you like math rock” and my exact words were “nah i have an E in calc man”
Lmao
how do you get an E is that even a grade or is that a horrible dad joke
@@mellot00th This is an actual thing that happened and an E is a grade you get in updated public school systems. You must go to school where they still give out Fs and teach kids only to do whatever the bible says is okay.
@@KodiakTeddy that was an overly aggressive response, most schools don’t have E grade, i didn’t even know it existed until now
@@KodiakTeddy damn coming off classist asf, that was kind of uncalled for
“What is math rock?” *plays Mac Demarco*
🤔
I know right? Bring me the horizon would of been more appropriate.
what we need is more bath rock...Mac's next album
nappyisanegatgrabingeatred lasikopenvageearreddit I tried to read aloud your nickname when suddenly satan appeared and said he approves your idea
how can you even hear the mac demarco? the music, outside of the snippets is so low in the mix that its barely there at all.
Math as a school subject terrified me in highschool.
Now as an adult musician, Math terrifies me as a rock subgenre
Math Rock = prog rock made by people who like what punk music is but don't wanna play punk music.
connor larkin I’ve always said math rock is just indie rock played by musicians that can actually play their instruments
Jack Stieben I see what u mean but it’s all really subjective. But I agree, they use their instruments to the fullest
@@JackStieben I just thought of it as ''Ambiente Rock'' because of the missing vocals
connor larkin o i thought math rock was about math teachers/professors making a rock song about math.
Is P R O G P U N K
yvette young and her band covet are nuts. sleepy dog's stuff is really fun and high-energy
Oh MAN, Yvette young and covet are amazing!!!
covets amazing (as well as the raw guitar covers yvette posts)
Ay, Sleepy Dog! Love that guy
👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
I love sleepy dog c: zzzzz
So many Tricot vids but not a mention!! they are so incredible
My favorite math rock band is Jay z
Illuminati
Ah mine is Nicci Minjai
Mine is Eminem.
mine is 2 pac
Jay-Z math rock???
"I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas!
Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide
That's one every… let's say two, two of them shits was doo
One was "nah," the other was Illmatic
That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average"
_I see it lol_
Blue face is my favorite math rock artist
bad joke oh my god
More like meth rock
His flow is definitely math rock, mans is rapping an a 34/7 time signature
Math rap
well, hallo Sakamoto-san
Toe is my favorite Math Rock band. Watching their live performances is also a great introduction to the genre.
I just discovered this genre, and never has any other kind of music been able to invoke the feelings that math rock can.
There are more feeling provoking genres out there.
Subjective. If that’s what Jess feels then that’s what is right for Jess.
Griffin Cates simp but u rite
i felt this when i first heard it. it was definitely what i’d been looking for. sounds weird but i felt like i was able to breathe when i heard it. enjoy it, its amazing music.
Victor Finé simp??
>has tricot in the video, ends up not recommending tricot
lol i was waiting for him to mention them the entire time
YEAH WHAT
By far the best band in the genre imo
Check out Elephant Gym as well
@@poepunk thats another good band a big fan cause of the lead singer is the bassist and im biased to the bass
damn i thought they were gonna be singing about division and shit
Joy Division is definitely Happy Mathrock.
shows CHON in video
doesn’t mention CHON
OMGGG RIGHTTTT
Mario would be displeased
@@stevestevestevesteve6466 more prog rock
Chon and Polyphia are very similar musically, and Polyphia is often labeled as djent, oddly enough
FRRRRRR
Thanks for the 2 seconds of math rock, in a video all about math rock.
Damon Che might copyright strike him lol
He can legally show more than a few seconds but RUclips will strike him if he plays more than 2 seconds. I think he will still end up getting demonetized for this, unfortunately.
@@jameshiggins8601 it's protected under fair use if he plays even more than a few seconds but youtube is a broken platform that has its head up its ass so yeah one dumbass music company who know jack shit about law would request it's removal and RUclips would fold faster than superman on laundry day
thank UMG for that
Why on earth would an artist copyright strike a video meant to introduce new audience members to the artist? Seriously, in what world could someone believe that could do anything but help the artist?
"we're going to listen to some iconic math rock songs"
*Plays 2 seconds, making it impossible to even hear the odd time signature*
Copyright
You can play 7 seconds of music before the copyright triggers (unless is a music juggernaut like, let's say, Kanye West or Radiohead).
@@miserirken yeah.. good luck trying to be on the edge of copyright strike and risking your channel getting screwed forever by receiving a strike.
Again, it's in the actual rules you can play 7 minutes of any song, just big music acts break this rule, and i feel, exceptiong American Football, this is a safe topic for that.
@@miserirken how did 7 seconds become 7 minutes?
I feel like TTNG (This Town Needs Guns) might be an even better introduction to the genre. IMO, their album Animals is very accessible music while still being intricate and technically impressive math rock. American Football definitely has math tones, but like you said they fuse a lot of emo into their sound. That’s not a bad thing, I just think that TTNG might be a better place to start for somebody who’s looking to get into math rock specifically. This is a great video as always though, I think math rock is one of those genres that people are afraid to get into because it kind of gives off a weird vibe.
yeah! imo american football learns more towards (midwest) emo than math rock
Animals is exactly what got me into math rock. Just clicked on the thumbnail cause I thought the album cover looked cool, but hearing the chaotic charm and energy of Chinchilla at the beginning had me so confused and memorized I just had to look into it more. American footballs a good band but tbh I feel like if you've never listened to math rock before you'd probably fall asleep on the first listen and never come back to it.
Their self-titled EP was what got me started. Animals is a great album, don't get me wrong, but on a first listen I think it all sort of sounds the same. Subsequent listens are awesome, but if you want a quick intro it may not be the best place to start. It's not perfect, but I think the self-titled has a bit more variation.
surrealducks Agreed! the self titled is amazing. Want to come back to my room and listen to Belle & Sebastian is my all time favorite TTNG song.
@@danielmyers2696 it's a great one! My brain exploded the first time I heard 26 Is Dancier Than 4
Noticed footage of a couple of Audiotree live sessions in here. CHON (0:27) and tricot (0:49), in case anyone was interested.
Add Audiotree Live videos were all over my suggestions after this.
Audiotree is how I was introduced to those bands.
I’ve been listening to Math Rock for almost a year and didn’t even realize until now
I'm pretty sure that is just progressive rock
tricot is one of my favourite bands, they actually brought me to math rock.
toe with their song 'goodbye' is one of the best songs i ever listened to. The emotion + complexity of the instrumental is off this world.
Same! Tricot was the first math rock band I've listened to. I think Potage was the first song I've ever heard from them and got hooked.
@@cranburrey goodbye by toe is so incredible, i still listen to it every other day, such a gem!
>sees King Crimson at 0:40
It just works
*_iS tHaT a MoThErFuCkInG jOjO rEfErEnCe?!?_*
@@meltossmedia yes but King Crimson is also my favorite band
@@alexd.2504 ye, definitely in my top 10, maybe 5 even
Alex D. Me too
How are the bands in the Video? Like the clips in the background. I’m trying to find out the band at 2:55 mark. I think I’ve seen them before but I might be wrong. Also if somebody wants to list them all feel free to do so. I would really love to get into this genre. I’ve started listening to TTNG and they are amazing.
i found this genre on a random 1 hour playlist on yt titled like "japanese math rock to listen while strolling around in the cherry blossoms" and ive been in love since. for me this songs literally feel like a day in summer going to the beach with your friends. also (for those who watched them) those songs reminded me of the film "your name" when they start comunicating with eatch other using the other body
Never Meant is a good way to get introduced to mathrock for sure.
*Gives snippets of math rock songs so that the viewers can begin to understand what math rock is
*Makes the snippets too short to even remotely understand the strange time signatures
RUclips has an entirely algorithm-based copyright system- you can only play a short snippet for it not to be automatically compared against a database and sent to the rights owners. They strike or claim the video, regardless of the actual intent. RUclips's only responsibility is to not host it. The value of what this guy's saying is greater than what a few seconds more of music can account for, the video version of that song is literally in the sidebar of related videos.
Good point
It's a sad state of affairs. This guy is promoting these bands, generating sales for them, but if he used more than a few seconds of their material, then the publishers would copyright strike him and steal all of his ad revenue. Even when it's against their own self interest, they are compelled to be greedy.
An interesting theme of a lot of Math rock is the feeling of regret and nostalgia for the past, which couples well with the lack of consistent melodies. A song reminiscing of a past love, with a beautiful melody that much like the love like the relationship is burns brightly then fades out never to come back(Pretty much the entire theme of American Football). The two go incredibly well hand in hand as as a result pulls emotions out in a way that the repetition of typical song structures can't. It also makes listening more addicting and interesting. Or maybe I just found math rock when I was going through a breakup. With that being said, the band that probably most defines what I'm talking about is TTNG which is my all time fav math rock band and Animals is IMO the best place to start if you're interested.
i can relate, when i listen to maths rock then it feels like i'm hanging out with my other half
the line between math rock and midwest emo is nonexistent
I'm a simple soul. I see the house, I click.
we can never just forgeeeeeeet
i feel u
TTNG are the best possible intro to Math Rock. Please please try their stuff, it's gorgeous.
Fuckin LOVE TTNG
👍🏽👍🏽
Finally have a name to the very specific music I sometimes crave to listen to but had no Idea what it was or how to find more other than knowing Yvette young had the sound
TL;DW Math rock is just emo jazz.
FoxHound SF thank u
nope
jazz guitar is way cooler than tap guitar tho
nope
Yep
@@SpaceGhostFan y'all listening to that boring shit
Delta Sleep, TTNG, Covet, Pretend, Clever Girl, Rooftops.
No dnb in the jazz room is one of my favorite albums ever
I just blasted clever girls EP on my record player! Love the stuff
Delta Sleep is on top of my current faves!
@@natasha8767 Same! I just found out about Girlfriends, few pieces really resonate well with me.
all great bands
Polvo is the most criminally underappreciated band I've ever heard. When I stumbled across them on Spotify a few years I was beside myself. I hadn't been that excited about music in a decade.
In Prism! So so good
Great video. If anyone wants some twinkly, jazzy math rock, check out the album Clever Girl - No Drum and Bass in The Jazz Room.
I freaking love math rock but no one I talk to has even even heard of it. Thanks for this video, I'll point anyone that asks here
Have you heard Old Gray?
wow ur so unique
You had me at emo jazz. Could have just cut the video there and I'd be sold.
Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.
lol. I never actually looked in to what this kind of music was called. All my girlfriends used to just say "oh, you are listening to that droning music again"... so that's what I've always called it; my "droning music". I feel more than a little silly for owning about a third of the albums on that Reddit chart and never having encountered somebody enthusiastic enough about the genre to tell me it's real name.
Then there's dance gavin dance.
" what genre do we want to play"
"Yes"
Lol
I was about to say people just gonna disrespect DGD like they don't math?
Swancore. Final answer.
@@freezingjazzy thats fair i had not considered that he is in a league of his own
Its just Tilians fever dreams brought to life and his solo stuff is his day dreams
I listened to only Japanese music for the longest time because I thought the type of stuff you hear in this genre only existed in Japan. Bands like Haisuinonasa and Co Shu Nie were and still are my favorites because of how they mess with beat and chord structure. I wanted to start getting into American music again, but I couldn't find a good band until now.
Woah wait I always thought Co Shu Nie was just interesting to listen to (thinking of The Promised Neverland ending). Now I know why haha
@@dantemwatibo3517definitely the airy and light (but still strong) vocals in combination with the instrumental, normally you’d find vocals like that on a more basic song or cool instrumentals on a more basic voice never both, at least that’s what I think
DO A VIDEO ON 'STILL WOOZY'
Alex Lonnquist yes please
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Thank you for this. I’ve been curious about math rock for some time
Charlie Moll XD I thought it was just rock music about math
I love that this is the first video that comes up when you type in math rock. I can imagine someone not knowing what it is and clicking the first video that pops up. It’s really good for people who want to expand their musical tastes! Really good explanation to someone who wouldn’t know a lot about it.
I love how positive your videos are, bringing to light music that the average person probably hasn't explored. I'd love to see more videos on sub-genres. I knew of math rocks existence, but I didn't know much about it. This was a cool informative and fun video. Keep up the good work.
Hella?
Or Battles?
Lightning Bolt??
hella
And by extension Zach Hill in general
Hella
I've seen people saying Battles is much more experimental in general than math rock, but it has its roots there since Ian was in Don.
Hella should definitly be here, however.
Great list, one honorable mention is Foals’ 2008 album Antidotes before they strayed & started evolving their sound.
They've got a couple math rock tracks out since like On The Luna
Hundred percent. Love all FOALS albums but nothing compares so Antidotes. Feel it's a great gateway into the genre.
CHON was in the vid but no shout-out. I love your channel, just mentioning.
Math is love, Math is life. Hyped on this vid. Here's a couple picks from me as a fan..
For instrumental Stuff check:
Bullet Proof Tiger
Floral
Physics House Band
Vocals:
Colour
TTNG (This Town Needs Guns)
The Edmund Fitzgerald (Yannis and Jacks band before FOALS)
and obvs first Foals record Antidotes
Ian Charles Carter floral!!! The most underrated band
Hell yeah Colour is so amazing, it's sad that they only have one album but it's such a great album.
Love Floral.
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Thank you for the introduction. The “Absence of Evidence” is what I imagine Modest Mouse would have sounded like if they were more virtuosic. I now love them both. Thanks again.
Most people haven't heard this before but this is a band of my cousin's friends and they only made one album.
If you're into math rock I bet you'll really like it.
The album is All Things Considered by The Pelicants, it's on youtube.
You should make the song snippets longer, we can barely hear what the song really sounds like. Great video nonetheless
Check it out on your own. You shouldn’t rely on snippets anyways
copyright my guy
what they said ^^^
@@portopilzi Most math rock bands aren't that much of a pussy, but yeah, let him go to just listen to it
@@abcrx32j majority of the time it's not the band itself copyrighting, it's the label
A band out of Austin, Texas called Paul Newman did a record called Machine Is Not Broken and it is an underrated masterpiece.
If you like art rock-punk-art metal- and Mathy rock listen to MX-80 Sound - Hard Attack. Came out in 77' and predates a Lot of math rock. Also This Heat - Deceit uses a lot of weird time signatures and the originality on that album is unprecedented and never even close to replicated
@Kill yr Idols check out captain beefheart and the magic band as well, they pretty much laid down the foundation for math rock
>says "emo jazz" is a derogatory description
>describes math rock band as emo jazz
>uses emo band as good intro into math rock
There's a very clear reason why it's got the connotation of emo jazz, and you described it.
Well, you were influenced by a youtuber. You won... A PIECE OF NUTSHELL (ah-ah, don't mind the roughness, hehe)!!! The description from one youtuber can be questionable as for any human being.
Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.
@@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Complexity, well, I get it, good point. But I wonder if there are Emo-Jazz bands with Saxophonists or Trumpetists. I don't think so.
@@Donjonneau no. Complexity has nothing to do with jazz. You’re not even listening to me. Math Rock is not jazz. Not even close.
@@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 I wrote that I agreed to you... You didn't read carefully. I'm not trying to take you for a fool, I mean it. And yes, they are not that close, but some German Math-Rock band sounded like Electric-Jazz-Math-Rock band (DANG IT I went too far, too long on the genre name).
Music is composed in two parts, how it makes you feel and how it sounds. There is a fine line between being technically amazing and incredibly inspiring. Technically amazing will be listened to once and appreciated where as incredibly inspiring will be listened to and studied for generations. IMHO a lot of prog rock is only technically amazing, but it's so complicated that most people forget what they just heard shortly after.
Mathrock is ruled by unusual time signatures, unless you are chon.
Mario has said before he writes most things in 4/4.
Polyphia is the same way
Yet they play stuff in 5/4, 7/8 and 15/16
@@spencer6081 polyphia isnt math rock theyre metal
Chomnhas also changes their sound often, in their audiotree he explicitly says what they listen to influences they’re music
Polyphia is not metal unless you are using the term with the broadest definition possible lol
Loved the video, it would be cool if you did more “how to get into obscure genres” videos I’m sure many people would appreciate them and it would give so much needed love to some of the more obscure ones.
Chon is my favourite, and a Japanese math rock band called Jyocho is also nuts. they rocked with a flute
My first Math Rock Band was Giraffes? Giraffes!
where the catholic girls go camping is such an awesome song
I listen to math rock whenever I do my engineering problem sets.
EliteJovenAgent based
I have no idea why I watched this as many times as I did but thank you for getting me into american football. honestly my favorite band
For any Filipinos out there, we got math rock bands as well:
*AOUI* (pronounced "ah-wee") and *Sound Architects*
gago ang angas ng aoui
fr? pakinggan ko nga
More like post rock or shoe gaze Sound Architects but great band. Fools and Foes, Run Dorothy, tide/edit, shaw, Tom's Story, Amateurish, Luncheon, Tim Awa, Trippy Oh!. Halo halo na yan math at post
meron?
Yoo I love all those bands. So good!!
The first ever foals album is a pretty good math rock album.
Yeah I was very found of it as a teenager and was never able to find something equivalent. Their cleaner/grandiloquent sound in their following albums has been a real disapointment to me
‘Antidotes’, one of the best albums of all time
Damn gotta get my computer up running again so i can access my hds. I haven't heard foals in awhile. I check the tube
It sounds Complex, it's chill music to listen to. Clean guitars riffage(Well some songs) and it has that indie vibe.
Four important albums you missed:
Slint - Spiderland
Brave Little Abacus - Just Got Back From The Discomfort... We're Alright
empire! empire! empire! i was a lonely estate - What It Takes To Move Forward
toe - the book about my idle plot on a vague anxiety
Slinttt for sure
He didn't miss Toe, you never watched the full video lol
Ooooo, only one of those are considered math rock
Im not really into rock, but even i knew slint-spiderland and was wondering where is was
The band that got me into math rock was Co Shü Nie. They're one of my favourite Japanese artists.
its fun to my ears. never knowing what i will next
so glad for this video bc i felt like i should get into math rock since i listened to one chon song and now i know where to start
Check out a band called floral.
@@lukenluken sure will
>no mention of hella or slint
????
A year late but I'm still mad he didn't have the intro to breadcrumb trail as background music
Yeah, I was expecting to see King Crimson or Hella in this vid.. none of them are there...
@@marmota7615 king crimson is a prog rock band. the technical, experimental, and complex aspect of their music inspired math rock, but they are in no way part of the contemporary math rock genre
Not putting hella is a deadly sin. Their shit is amazing and I love it
I would best describe it as complex rhythms that change spontaneously. Typically, they have an alternative rock feel melodically.
I'm not sure if "spontaneously" is the right word there. It suggests doing something on the spur of the moment, whereas performing a change of time signature mid song usually requires planning and a heap of practice.
Tricot is one of my favourites, less complicated noodling but more sweat ass rhythm guitar and very melodic vocals.
yeah mine too! can you suggest any other band which are more like them?
@@KunstruktionSammlung i want to recommend an indonesian (my country) math rock band called Murphy Radio. Its not nearly as good as tricot but they will step up their game.
Marmozets from the UK are good.
Feed Me Jack! Still Woozy's OG project
I need more than 2 seconds to get an appreciation on the genre
I'd credit someone like Rush as being one of the forefathers of this genre. In the 90's, in addition to Don Cab, you had Drive Like Jehu and especially Breadwinner.
You just gonna ignore the first Foals album then? Cool
my favourite album ever
I thought he would have mentioned them for sure, considering the new album dropped like a week ago (even though its not really math rock).
He didn't mention but it was on the far left of the flowchart
@@danshinks5897 true, just thought he would touch on it since they're one of the more mainstream bands that have math rock influences at their roots.
Antidotes is the shiiiit
Don't forget Breadwinner. They put out a record on Merge records in the early 90s that paved the way for Don Cab, the Champs, C Average, Trans Am, Dianogah etc
Math Rock is typically so complex that it is hard for us to focus, but it can be done. Recently, I’ve been listening to a lot of math rock (like Don Caballero) while I work on my English assignments, it has no doubt helped for me. The cool thing is, extensive research has proven keeping focus while multitasking is very beneficial for the brain. This is why fidget spinners (which is just some piece of plastic with a bearing inside of it) got so big, One of the main marketing strategies for these companies was to exaggerate these benefits. Our brain works in 4-4 rhythm, this is why it’s so hard to understand, and especially write, good sounding music with unique time-signatures, (and it’s why 99% of radio pop music sounds the same, that is, brain numbing trash.) if You can listen to Math Rock, while you’re doing productive work, that’s like mindlessly holding a fidget spinner x 500. Lol, I bet know one was expecting that comparison.
absolutely, 100%, please, listen to Spiderland by Slint
listening to it right now for the first time and i'm loving every song so far
@@smashmypumpkins it's a perfect album. 5/5 10/10 100% 5 stars
I don't know if you were saying Spiderland is math rock, but it definitely ain't.
@@joshstiehl1170 it is tho
@@playboicatrissock5867 which part?
I remember blasting Never Meant through the streets of Beijing. This video made me super nostalgic.
I like that you tried to answer the question, 'What is math rock?' You've gotta make a lot of discreet decisions about what to include in 5 minutes, which is never easy. It's good that you tried to show viewers an in-road into the genre; American Football wouldn't have been my choice, but I respect that none the less. A bit more history would have served you better; such as mentioning U.S. Maple and Lynx alongside Don Cab.
Nice. A genre that doesnt get enough love. Alfo got mad diversity in taste.
love learning about this in a condensed video with only 4 second samples. I'm an expert now. That's not even long enough to get through 2 11/8 measures!
Don't understand why Hella isn't here, although I could see why even Battles isn't here (one of my favorite experimental bands of all time besides Sweet Trip, Tera Melos, Animal Collective, Silver Apples and 65daysofstatic) considering that they're more of an experimental/post-rock band than anything else. Little to no irregular time signatures in most of their music, except for their debut solo album, which did feature a few mathy influences, but it's obviously post-rock at its core.
sweet trip is basically just the best band ever tbh
@@castleb0y Completely agree! Painfully underrated band outside of Sputnik and RYM.
the book about my idle plot on a vague anxiety is definitely one of the best math rock albums, deserved a shout out here. ik you mentioned toe but I feel like music from that album could've been featured, and it's a little more accessible than lots of other math rock music. imo the snippets you used were too short and didn't really capture the essence of the genre for newcomers. never meant is great but you could've shown more of the song instead of the middle of a verse, and some of the other stuff seems like it would be off putting to a newcomer, at least without context.
i got introduced to math rock through covet and i absolutely love it now, it's a genre i never knew i was looking for
Man, nobody ever talks about Strawberry Girls.
They're such a great intro to the genre...
So you showed amazing bands like Chon, Elephant Gym and tricot but don’t mention them at all? Ok...
Also others to look up are Hail the Sun, Eidola (both also take some influence from metalcore as well), Covet, TTNG and Polyphia. Enjoy!
Is Hail the Sun really considered math rock? That’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. I consider them more progressive rock/post hardcore which was listed as influences of the genre... but I think they are much more mainstream than that. Their songs definitely tend to follow the typical song structure to a point which was mentioned here. I think they are fantastic so this is nothing against them at all, I just don’t think they are in that genre.
Chon is so fucking gooood
Your genre breakdowns are so good
For me my favorite math rock album is easily Polyphia's New Levels New Devils
They are mathcore, not full math rock
Just because their songs actually have defined structures
@@abcrx32j ah ok that's why I liked it so much
I like polyphia but I’m not sure if they’re considered math rock there just instrumental
@@evacuationearth9480 let's call it math djent
I thougt Chon were one of the main math rock bands. But I personally don't feel the 'emo' style in this genre... There's a lot of Jazz and prog tho.
This^
Chon hasn't been around for nearly as long as a lot of major math rock bands like toe, and i'd say that american footballs influence is why alot of why people associate it with an emo sound when most of the genre is just really intense rock jazz with spastic times or calm almost ambient guitar parts and the drummers going ham
I love chon!
Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.
coming back to this video after a year of math rock is so cool bc this was what got me here
If there is math rock, are there science rock?
Now my RUclips suggested will become music related stuff
Dude, THANK YOU! for some reason I stumbled upon this video and this opened a door I'll never close. I fell hard for this genre and I can't stop exploring more. Math rock rules 🤘
I kept on reading the title as meth rock, but I guess that makes sense to