Did this drill yesterday for the first time and got a hole in 1 today! Also broke 80 for the first time in months! I did a mini version of the drill before every swing today too. Contact was great today! Thanks!
I have seen thousands of videos and have one of the best instructors in the state and I am here to tell you, you are the best online instructor I have ever seen
Loved the video, tried working on the club face awareness last night on the range. Thought I had it, but in looking at the slow motion videos of my practice I see that I am still not doing it correctly. Hard to get your body to do what my mind tells it to do.
This is brilliant! I now understand why I flip the golf club! After reviewing this video I immediately hit some Birdie balls in my back yard with an 8-iron and could replicate what Chris had demonstrated. I'm well on my way to curing my flipping problem--thanks!
Got it. I had to watch this clip three times to fully understand what Chris was saying and how it applies to me. I'm now convinced my club face is open pre contact, hence my serious flipping. Can't wait to experiment at the driving range. Thanks Chris.
Very helpful explanation. I’ve worked out that I flip my hands with driver but not irons so much. This explains why my ‘normal’ iron rotation with flipped hands using driver always goes left.
Awesome, Chris! A great feel for me is that I'm compressing the ball with my right palm. Seems to keep the handle forward at impact and club face neutral longer.
Very clear and simple explanation. I have always opened the face quite a bit in my back swing and I never understood why I could not lead with the hands no matter how hard I tried. Can't wait to try this out tomorrow! Thanks!
Best RUclips golf coach I’ve come across, you have a way of explaining things that just click with me more then other coaches I’ve seen. Great vid keep up the good work
Wow, and I thought my flip added distance. Thank you. I actually on my drives worked on that snap from my angulated wrists on impact. I will rewatch this video several times.
I wish you would continue this video with what to do once the club face is in a closed position. I tend to do exactly as you say when I keep the face closed through the backswing. I hit it left and still flip and it goes even more left - ridiculously left as you put it and I am stunned by the shot. I don't know what exactly to do to stop it. Would you suggest some drill which focus on rotation and the right delivery to keep the ball at the target. Thanks a ton. (My favorite instructor ever) ! :)
Controlling face angle with body rotation is difficult. I’ve been working on it for a while now, hopefully will have it down soon. Way better than a timed release IMO. Great idea!
Great! Thanks for your expert advice which helps confirm my excessive closed club face is legitimate in my attempt to facilitate the club lean and cure my flipping of the club head.
Great video Chris. I have been trying this at the range along with the drill in the attached link video and this has help me massively. I have been hitting my irons far too high and losing vital distance as a result of flipping it. This is also forcing me to rotate my body more which I was all arms before in my downswing. Hitting that sweet point in the club face sounds so good. Cheers Chris 👍🏻
Chris you didn’t talk about lag hand influence over lead hand and hip domination. In a right handed golfer doesn’t the right side dominance cause this casting issue which leads to the flip motion?
Wow this is me to perfection, I started playing to hitting a draw, by starting with my clubface slightly open to target. Tendency to fan it open on the way back, and noticed I had this exact flip on video. I will be strengthening my grip and hitting the range to find that happy medium Between rotation and clubface! Thanks Chris! Always top notch instruction.
Another great video! Can I please request a video on the subject of how you on the course awaken the lower body before a swing. When I’m on the range or home at the net I seem to move through the ball and onto the left lead foot. However, when I’m playing in comps, my lower body goes to sleep and I forget or am afraid to initiate the downswing with the lower half and this results sometimes in turning the upper body too fast leaving my feet plastered to the ground and shots that are fat or pulls to the left. Cheers Bre
Thank you for the video. Hope I can ask you some clarification. I usually use a pretty strong grip in order not to actively bow the left wrist for closing the face because it's seems complicated and unnatural thinking about twisting the left forearm in the downswing to close the face with a natural grip. Unfortunately, I often end up with very little release of the wrist trying to push my hands ahead of the ball. This causes to me some pushes and push/slices with driver or low hooks with long irons. I'm a 18hcp. Any suggestion? Thank you in advance
You just showed me my issue. I now have an issue where I hit straight right or hook left. My problem is that when I hit straight right my club face is open, I try to compact my swing, my hands are not rotating and my club face is wide open to the right. I'm not turning my body. If I remember to close my face, turn my body, now I flip. It's very difficult for me to remember to keep my club face closed, keep hands forward, and turn body. I think I just need to go very slow for 5 attempts, then a full swing. Then repeat.
Hey John, thanks and glad you enjoyed the video.... I’ve been trying to keep it a secret but that is actually me playing on the PGA Tour 😂😂it’s hard balancing that and coaching in the uk 😂😂
So if you tend to hook the ball because of a closed face in the back and downswing, align the feet more left and rotate more through the shot to play a low fade?
H Rendell it should be linked, just checked and it’s appearing when I watch the vid back. It appears top right as a clickable card at 5:59 into the video 👍👍
Question?, do you think a really weak left hand grip sets the pace for the open club face and in return the flip is established in order to get club head speed?
Chris, I have an open club face at last parallel and I flip the club. However, I also a very flat shoulder turn with a very bent lead arm. Which issue is most likely the root cause of the flip ?
Hi, I tried this a lot during last season and I still can’t manage to stop flipping. When I film myself in slow motion on practice swings and feel like I look 6 feet in front of the ball, I get a pro looking release with shaft lean. Whenever there is a ball however I can’t get myself to not flip. This is really fristrating...
louisolivierfortin I have noticed the very same thing. My understanding is that without a ball, there is no need to deliver a square club face, hence no flipping.
hey Chris...I'm a lefty..when I bow my forward wrist I just hit hooking bowling ball shots!??? that means I have to turn less???? would love a reply from you ..thanks
Chris, is the flip due to a misunderstanding of the target? Our natural inclination is to hit AT the ball, rather than collecting the ball as we aim to 'throw' the club at the TARGET, and get maximum extension at about 45 degrees forward.
I am confused Chris. I think the video is good and covers something that I need to address. However, it seems to contradict your previous video about fast hands. Can you do a video to explain/ clarify how you can generate fast hands whilst not flipping the wrists please?
Hi Paul, thanks for commenting. My previous video about the hand speed is key to generating speed and power, the purpose of this video was to show that if you have an open club face you will have to release far too early in order to compensate. If the club face in more neutral you are able to apply the speed at the correct point helping you achieve a good solid impact. The second demonstration in this video is excessive, the club face was severely closed which is why that release appeared very held off. Hope that helps 👍👍
It’s tricky bob, get he club face under control which means you don’t have to release too early, then you can create as much hand speed as you can through the ball 👍
Good work, Chris. Unfortunately we’ve got a lot of #teachers conflating supination with “flipping”. Problem is, many of these clowns don’t even know the difference.
This really confused me, especially combined with your video about holding lag. The lag video talks about rotating your firearms and holding the rotation, which is what I have been working on, but doesn’t this open the club face? I thought that was the goal to open the face so you can then lag it and release it, generating speed. I guess I don’t fully understand the difference between a flip (bad) vs. a release (good)...which I think is an ongoing point of confusion and debate. Also I have been told that my old swing which was keeping the club face closed was causing me to “hold on” to my swing, because with a closed face, as you point out a release (which you are calling a flip) causes a dead hook and so I end up with a chicken wing (lead arm higher than trail arm) finish which I thought was bad (but you show as good) to prevent this. The flip finish you show as bad I thought is what you want to achieve as your lead arm should be under your trail arm at finish with a proper release and forearm rotation. If you could clarify, that would be very appreciated. PS. I did fully understand your lag video however and the concept of holding the forearm rotation vs the wrist cock was incredibly enlightening!!
Hi David, a rotation of the forearms will tend to rotate the club face by about 90*, in this first example i had extended my left wrist to open the club by probably another 50* so club was far too open, hence the need for the flip. As the forearms do open the face we do need to work them back a little before impact, the exceeding where I explain and talk about lag suggests holding this forearm rotation in the downswing, which is a great feel, but never until impact, just longer than we tend to see as a pattern 👍
ChrisRyanGolf Thanks for responding so quickly! So I guess you are saying you should strive to release later than most amateurs do, but still before impact, and if you do too late that is a flip? If you could tell us what you consider the key difference(s) are between a release vs. a flip that would be very helpful to me and maybe others! Thanks again.
@@dmc123123 I think good flip/release allows for easy effortless power(without the use of crazy body rotation) due to natural tendency of club head wanting to close during downswing and through impact. Modern golf instruction these days made golf swing more athletic by teaching to hold the clubhead release and using crazy body turn to close the face. I think this has made golf swing more hard and strain on our body. I think using good wrist release for power is more efficient and consistent, the key to good release is your shoulders, arms and grip have to be super relaxed and swing by feeling the weight of the club and let the weight of the club release your hands. Also the release occurs by your body stalling a bit before impact for the hands to catch up and release to occur, then the weight of the club head pulls you through impact and full finish. People think stalling the body is negative but its not because your club head is actually picking up even more speed through impact when this occurs. Lastly all the tour players flip/release if you see them slow motion, people get fooled because they have crazy body turn.
Thanks Butch, appreciate your feedback, think this is just my coaching style. I have found over the many years I’ve been coaching that golfers are able to better self regulate their swing when they know the exact reasons things happen and how these link to the faults. In my opinion it’s almost as important to know they ‘why’ as well as the ‘what’, but appreciate everyone learns in different ways 👍👍
Actually the club face squares itself as long as you simply keep the body turning through the swing…. And you DONT TRY TO HELP IT AT ALL! (Thank the original club designers back in the day.) I believe it’s nearly impossible to “deliver” the club face to the exact spot every time by “trying to help” it get there! Hold an iron with two fingers at the top of the handle and spin around in a circle…… within one rotation, the Club face will be perfectly square no matter how many times you repeat this exercise…… you obviously did nothing to “help” it or “deliver it” as such. Cheers!
Did this drill yesterday for the first time and got a hole in 1 today! Also broke 80 for the first time in months! I did a mini version of the drill before every swing today too. Contact was great today! Thanks!
I have seen thousands of videos and have one of the best instructors in the state and I am here to tell you, you are the best online instructor I have ever seen
Great drill at the end there🎉
Loved the video, tried working on the club face awareness last night on the range. Thought I had it, but in looking at the slow motion videos of my practice I see that I am still not doing it correctly. Hard to get your body to do what my mind tells it to do.
Thanks for solving a problem I spent days, and many tens of videos to fix
Finally a lesson that makes since !! Thank you kind sir for sharing your talent ! Im glad im subscribed!!
This is brilliant! I now understand why I flip the golf club! After reviewing this video I immediately hit some Birdie balls in my back yard with an 8-iron and could replicate what Chris had demonstrated. I'm well on my way to curing my flipping problem--thanks!
Got it. I had to watch this clip three times to fully understand what Chris was saying and how it applies to me. I'm now convinced my club face is open pre contact, hence my serious flipping. Can't wait to experiment at the driving range. Thanks Chris.
Brilliant demonstration and explanation. I'm working on this with a teacher, but another perspective helps cement it in place.
Very helpful explanation. I’ve worked out that I flip my hands with driver but not irons so much. This explains why my ‘normal’ iron rotation with flipped hands using driver always goes left.
Awesome, Chris! A great feel for me is that I'm compressing the ball with my right palm. Seems to keep the handle forward at impact and club face neutral longer.
Very clear and simple explanation. I have always opened the face quite a bit in my back swing and I never understood why I could not lead with the hands no matter how hard I tried. Can't wait to try this out tomorrow! Thanks!
Thanks and hope it helps 👍
Great video, especially due to the fact that you explain how 2 motions cancel each other out to produce a desired ball flight.
Thanks Kadar, appreciate your comments 👍
Best RUclips golf coach I’ve come across, you have a way of explaining things that just click with me more then other coaches I’ve seen. Great vid keep up the good work
Thanks Daniel really appreciate that 👍👍
Wow, and I thought my flip added distance. Thank you. I actually on my drives worked on that snap from my angulated wrists on impact. I will rewatch this video several times.
I wish you would continue this video with what to do once the club face is in a closed position. I tend to do exactly as you say when I keep the face closed through the backswing. I hit it left and still flip and it goes even more left - ridiculously left as you put it and I am stunned by the shot. I don't know what exactly to do to stop it. Would you suggest some drill which focus on rotation and the right delivery to keep the ball at the target. Thanks a ton. (My favorite instructor ever) ! :)
Thank you Chris. Is the same process - drill for the driver. ?
Great lesson thanks.
Controlling face angle with body rotation is difficult. I’ve been working on it for a while now, hopefully will have it down soon. Way better than a timed release IMO. Great idea!
Awesome, great post
You just fixed my flip. THANK YOU.
Great! Thanks for your expert advice which helps confirm my excessive closed club face is legitimate in my attempt to facilitate the club lean and cure my flipping of the club head.
Great video Chris. I have been trying this at the range along with the drill in the attached link video and this has help me massively. I have been hitting my irons far too high and losing vital distance as a result of flipping it. This is also forcing me to rotate my body more which I was all arms before in my downswing. Hitting that sweet point in the club face sounds so good. Cheers Chris 👍🏻
Thanks Lee, certainly should help keep that ball flight down and see some more distance too 👍
World class explanation
Thank you Chris great drill and it definitely helped me
Thanks Chris, very clear. As a player who’s default is over active hands this is a great steer.
Very helpful! Thanks
Another fantastic video Chris - thanks!
Thanks Will 👍
Hi Chris. Can we have flip after impact. Like release after impact
Question and I hope you reply. I have the same issue and it appears that that right shoulder stops rotating. This feels like a yip.
Chris you didn’t talk about lag hand influence over lead hand and hip domination. In a right handed golfer doesn’t the right side dominance cause this casting issue which leads to the flip motion?
Wow this is me to perfection, I started playing to hitting a draw, by starting with my clubface slightly open to target. Tendency to fan it open on the way back, and noticed I had this exact flip on video.
I will be strengthening my grip and hitting the range to find that happy medium
Between rotation and clubface! Thanks Chris! Always top notch instruction.
Another great video! Can I please request a video on the subject of how you on the course awaken the lower body before a swing. When I’m on the range or home at the net I seem to move through the ball and onto the left lead foot. However, when I’m playing in comps, my lower body goes to sleep and I forget or am afraid to initiate the downswing with the lower half and this results sometimes in turning the upper body too fast leaving my feet plastered to the ground and shots that are fat or pulls to the left. Cheers Bre
Would be handy to have the fix in the video
Great explanation Chris! Thanks!
Thanks 👍
Spot on! I can go back to working on rotating without the poor feedback...open face.
Thank you for the video. Hope I can ask you some clarification. I usually use a pretty strong grip in order not to actively bow the left wrist for closing the face because it's seems complicated and unnatural thinking about twisting the left forearm in the downswing to close the face with a natural grip. Unfortunately, I often end up with very little release of the wrist trying to push my hands ahead of the ball. This causes to me some pushes and push/slices with driver or low hooks with long irons. I'm a 18hcp. Any suggestion? Thank you in advance
You just showed me my issue. I now have an issue where I hit straight right or hook left. My problem is that when I hit straight right my club face is open, I try to compact my swing, my hands are not rotating and my club face is wide open to the right. I'm not turning my body. If I remember to close my face, turn my body, now I flip. It's very difficult for me to remember to keep my club face closed, keep hands forward, and turn body. I think I just need to go very slow for 5 attempts, then a full swing. Then repeat.
Chris great bit of information thank you . Chris were you able to see any PGA over the week end, if so did you see your doppelganger Kevin Tway
Hey John, thanks and glad you enjoyed the video.... I’ve been trying to keep it a secret but that is actually me playing on the PGA Tour 😂😂it’s hard balancing that and coaching in the uk 😂😂
@@ChrisRyanGolf The jet lag must be just awful LOL
Thanks Cris great drill 🙏🏼😋
So if you tend to hook the ball because of a closed face in the back and downswing, align the feet more left and rotate more through the shot to play a low fade?
Thanks Chris. I’m trying to keep clubface aligned to spine angle at half way back so neither open or closed. A good thing?
Hi Neil, yes neutral is always good and should be fine to keep working towards that 👍
Great video
Great video. Do you have link to previous video you mentioned for the backswing? Nothing popped up to click on.
Good video. Same question can put up the link pls👍
Apologies I initially forgot to link the video, it is now linked top right of the video as it should be. 👍
@@ChrisRyanGolf No, it's still not there Chris
Still no link Chris... Love your vids😁
H Rendell it should be linked, just checked and it’s appearing when I watch the vid back. It appears top right as a clickable card at 5:59 into the video 👍👍
Great vlog chris mate ❤️
Question?, do you think a really weak left hand grip sets the pace for the open club face and in return the flip is established in order to get club head speed?
100% yes, a weak grip will almost certainly see the face too open in the swing 👍
Chris, I have an open club face at last parallel and I flip the club. However, I also a very flat shoulder turn with a very bent lead arm. Which issue is most likely the root cause of the flip ?
Hi Jeff, I would look to fix the clubface in this instance 👍
Thank you, Dustin J
When I think of flipping I think of rotating the club face counterclockwise during the swing. Is that what you are talking about?
Hi, I tried this a lot during last season and I still can’t manage to stop flipping. When I film myself in slow motion on practice swings and feel like I look 6 feet in front of the ball, I get a pro looking release with shaft lean. Whenever there is a ball however I can’t get myself to not flip. This is really fristrating...
louisolivierfortin
I have noticed the very same thing. My understanding is that without a ball, there is no need to deliver a square club face, hence no flipping.
Hey mate, no link to your previous video on backswing before impact. Cheers,
Thanks Leigh will get this added 👍
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hey Chris...I'm a lefty..when I bow my forward wrist I just hit hooking bowling ball shots!??? that means I have to turn less???? would love a reply from you ..thanks
Hi Roger, I’d have you turn more, you need to create more of a look of the second swing, more rotation and more forward shaft lean at impact 👍
Home run. love this video, thank you Chris.
I struggle to get any distance with this can you show with speed on the turn
Chris, is the flip due to a misunderstanding of the target? Our natural inclination is to hit AT the ball, rather than collecting the ball as we aim to 'throw' the club at the TARGET, and get maximum extension at about 45 degrees forward.
Hi Stewart, I see the flip being a reaction the the club and club position and the flip is very often to fix an issue earlier in the swing 👍
I've tried that in the past but struggled with releasing the club especially in the longer clubs
Soooooo good
I am confused Chris. I think the video is good and covers something that I need to address. However, it seems to contradict your previous video about fast hands. Can you do a video to explain/ clarify how you can generate fast hands whilst not flipping the wrists please?
Hi Paul, thanks for commenting. My previous video about the hand speed is key to generating speed and power, the purpose of this video was to show that if you have an open club face you will have to release far too early in order to compensate. If the club face in more neutral you are able to apply the speed at the correct point helping you achieve a good solid impact.
The second demonstration in this video is excessive, the club face was severely closed which is why that release appeared very held off. Hope that helps 👍👍
ChrisRyanGolf 👍🏻👍🏻
So why do I try this and hit it fat...? More rotation?
Keeping the face square to the arc has made a huge difference
Still trying to hit that fine line between flipping and hand speed at impact.
It’s tricky bob, get he club face under control which means you don’t have to release too early, then you can create as much hand speed as you can through the ball 👍
Good work, Chris. Unfortunately we’ve got a lot of #teachers conflating supination with “flipping”. Problem is, many of these clowns don’t even know the difference.
This really confused me, especially combined with your video about holding lag. The lag video talks about rotating your firearms and holding the rotation, which is what I have been working on, but doesn’t this open the club face? I thought that was the goal to open the face so you can then lag it and release it, generating speed. I guess I don’t fully understand the difference between a flip (bad) vs. a release (good)...which I think is an ongoing point of confusion and debate. Also I have been told that my old swing which was keeping the club face closed was causing me to “hold on” to my swing, because with a closed face, as you point out a release (which you are calling a flip) causes a dead hook and so I end up with a chicken wing (lead arm higher than trail arm) finish which I thought was bad (but you show as good) to prevent this. The flip finish you show as bad I thought is what you want to achieve as your lead arm should be under your trail arm at finish with a proper release and forearm rotation.
If you could clarify, that would be very appreciated.
PS. I did fully understand your lag video however and the concept of holding the forearm rotation vs the wrist cock was incredibly enlightening!!
Hi David, a rotation of the forearms will tend to rotate the club face by about 90*, in this first example i had extended my left wrist to open the club by probably another 50* so club was far too open, hence the need for the flip. As the forearms do open the face we do need to work them back a little before impact, the exceeding where I explain and talk about lag suggests holding this forearm rotation in the downswing, which is a great feel, but never until impact, just longer than we tend to see as a pattern 👍
ChrisRyanGolf Thanks for responding so quickly! So I guess you are saying you should strive to release later than most amateurs do, but still before impact, and if you do too late that is a flip? If you could tell us what you consider the key difference(s) are between a release vs. a flip that would be very helpful to me and maybe others! Thanks again.
@@dmc123123 I think good flip/release allows for easy effortless power(without the use of crazy body rotation) due to natural tendency of club head wanting to close during downswing and through impact. Modern golf instruction these days made golf swing more athletic by teaching to hold the clubhead release and using crazy body turn to close the face. I think this has made golf swing more hard and strain on our body. I think using good wrist release for power is more efficient and consistent, the key to good release is your shoulders, arms and grip have to be super relaxed and swing by feeling the weight of the club and let the weight of the club release your hands. Also the release occurs by your body stalling a bit before impact for the hands to catch up and release to occur, then the weight of the club head pulls you through impact and full finish. People think stalling the body is negative but its not because your club head is actually picking up even more speed through impact when this occurs. Lastly all the tour players flip/release if you see them slow motion, people get fooled because they have crazy body turn.
Good lesson, please focus on telling me what to do right and less what I do wrong
Thanks Butch, appreciate your feedback, think this is just my coaching style. I have found over the many years I’ve been coaching that golfers are able to better self regulate their swing when they know the exact reasons things happen and how these link to the faults. In my opinion it’s almost as important to know they ‘why’ as well as the ‘what’, but appreciate everyone learns in different ways 👍👍
Actually the club face squares itself as long as you simply keep the body turning through the swing…. And you DONT TRY TO HELP IT AT ALL! (Thank the original club designers back in the day.) I believe it’s nearly impossible to “deliver” the club face to the exact spot every time by “trying to help” it get there! Hold an iron with two fingers at the top of the handle and spin around in a circle…… within one rotation, the Club face will be perfectly square no matter how many times you repeat this exercise…… you obviously did nothing to “help” it or “deliver it” as such. Cheers!
only way i can stop pulling is by flipping my hands
You got some great tips man but you talk too bloody much, get to the point quicker
Great video