GOLF: Why You Flip The Golf Club And How To Fix It
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Why You Flip The Golf Club And How To Fix It
So what is a flip?
It’s when the clubhead gets past your hands or handle location relatively quickly. Now depending upon whom you talk to, that might mean that the club head gets ahead of your hands before impact or it might mean that club head gets ahead of your hands just past impact. For me, a flip means club head is passing your hands, shaft leaning backwards at or immediately passed impact.
A flip creates numerous issues. It’s difficult to hit the ball solid, hit the ball far and control the direction.
Let's talk about why you get the flip. So I see a lot of people working a lot of drills. They're spending a lot of time trying to get a "look" of the handle being ahead of the hands. The problem is, you have some root cause issues that are never going to allow that to happen.
Before we get into drills to fix a flip, you must understand that there are two root causes for a flip. It you don’t address those first, no drill will fix your flip.
If you have a flip, I would bet it's because you have a club face issue or you have a swing direction issue. If you do not fix those two things first, these drills I'm going to show you or any other drills you look at probably are not going to work. You have to fix your club face first. You have to fix your swing direction. That to me is non-negotiable.
How do we fix a flip?
If I don't want to have the clubhead passing my hands, there are two main things that need to happen. First, my handle location needs to remain more forward, then the location of my clubhead. So, if I want to start fixing those things, I can basically take two courses of action. I could do it with my body and hands or I can do with just arms the hands. Those are my options.
If I was going to fix a flip with my body, I put an alignment rod on the side of the shaft. With the stick on the shaft, if the club head passes my hands early, this rod starts to hit my body before I even get to impact. What's the goal here? The goal here would be to hit shots, and not have this stick run into my body. My handle needs to be forward (roughly over my left leg) and my body needs to be open. Never do full swings with this just short, slow, little half swings. You can also do the same drill with a Callaway Chip Stix Golf Training Aid amzn.to/2JJEDPa on the end of the club.
If you don't want to go to the rotation route, then you need to go arms and hands route. Again, this is after fixing the club face and the path. To use my arms and hands to get rid of a flip I would add more lead wrist flexion or bow, and more trail wrist extension. I would exaggerate the heck out of that and I'd hit short little shots trying to maintain that forever.
Now, for a lot of you just that's not going to do it. You also need to add supination or forearm rotation. If you can't rotate a lot, then you have to have hand action.
So the main points here:
-Almost everyone that has a flip either has a clubface that is too open OR has a path/angle of attack issue.
-You MUST FIX THOSE TWO ISSUES FIRST. None of the rest of this video matters until you’ve addressed root cause.
-Once you get past that, you need to choose whether you I want to get your handle forward through pivot body rotation or go the arms and hands route.
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seriously best instructional video I've ever watched, unlike the 10 minutes of gibberish nonsense from most videos. I now have a solid plan to fix this aspect of my swing.
Your tuition is the best I’ve seen. Straight to the point and no need to read between the lines. It’s all right there.
The options you give here are just spot on. There’s more than one way to skin a cat - as they say!!
Many thanks indeed!!
Thanks, Paul..appreciate it!
You are like the best science instructor we had in school. You never drift off your main point, always aware of us, explanations clear, spot-on, simple and valid. Can't thank you enough. Yesterday, I was hitting balls in a golf shop focusing on lead arm supination per your video. I use regular graphite in my irons but yesterday, supination allowed me to hit extra stiff steel 8 iron the same distance---I ripped through the ball instead of glancing contact. Thank you again for your generosity and gift to us all.
Thanks, Gene. Appreciate the message and the kind words. It's my pleasure :)
This is my favorite golf channel. The matter of fact, no nonsense instruction is perfect. The videos on Instagram are great too!
Thanks man, appreciate the support.
I was obsessed with club head speed and developing an inside out swing path. But flipping was driving me nuts. A couple of months ago Eric , you did two videos on rotation and hands/forward shaft lean. With heaps more rotation, body more open at impact and hands leading the club, I’m now hitting straight, compressing the ball more. If I lose concentration, sure, I will inevitably revert. It’s a continuous work in progress, but paying big dividends! You cannot believe how relieved and happier I am now. Thank you so much Eric!
Glad to hear that and happy to help Paul!
I’m experiencing the same thing from watching the same videos. Can only get it right with 1/2 swings so far...but...it’s a good to be getting better
I think you can fix all this by just getting your downswing right, and that is starting your lower body before your club big issue their, like casting and just not getting the legs and hips and rotation first.
I did not expect this video to explain and address every single thing wrong with my swing so well! This was super helpful! Underrated channel, Keep it up!
Appreciate it!
Eric you are the man. The drill holding the stick that makes you rotate really helped my flip and compression
Love to hear that, Brian!
The best explanation and corrections for the flip that I've seen. Thanks!
Thank you Bervic!
One of the best and most complete explanations of the correct impact condition I have ever seen.
Excited to try these fixes. As I’ve aged, I have noticed I’m flipping more. At 62 I can still break 80, but I’m loosing distance, I think from flipping. Had my son video my swing and it is obvious. Thanks for this video…
Our pleasure, Jeff! Hope this one serves you well!
Nice, Eric! I've started flipping, so I'm going to experiment.
Hope this helps!!
You are an extremely smart and knowledgeable fellow. Thank you for sharing. Now, off to the dynamic loft videos. 🙂
Thanks Kevin! Hope this one helps your game!
I don’t flip but I do release too early before my hands get to my right thigh. I think it is caused by the same open face issue. Your videos address all my issues which is awesome but would love to see more on getting your hands caught up to your turn. Thanks!
I think you are correct in your analogy. However I see very few golfers "Flip". Most of the problems I see is lack of release. They pull the handle through or spin the body causing an over the top move. You must release or throw the angle created in the backswing.
Thanks for feedback, Rich!
I do not see those same things.
In my 14 years or so of teaching maybe 80-90% of golfers release early not late (maybe those are just the people in Bethlehem, PA :) )
The best description and fixes fund. 👏👏👏
Thanks Carlos!
I just got back in after my daughter was born 8 years ago. Couldn't agree more with the advice. I saw Spieth would use more hands and minicked this back in the day being a picker and it was the first time I could compress it. Spieth is way out in front bowed wrist great advice.
Yessir
Perfect description of the problem. I think it’s also right hand dominance.
Thank you!
Great video Eric thanks!! I put a point on one end of the alignment rod and insert it into the end of the grip. Now I don't have the irregular grip. I use the Matzie Swing Trainer to help ingrain the forearm rotation that has helped me tremendously!! Thanks again!!
Love it!
Hey Eric - your vids have made me a better teacher and i've been teaching for 20yrs. Love your content and you no bullshit delivery. I'd love to see the fix for getting guy who throws the club from the top. I can get him into better impact alignments doing 9-3 swings working on pivot and shaft lean to a point. i understand concepts of pivot related to impact but the throw away has to be one of the hardest things to fix, at least IMO. I've been working with this guy to long to not have him fixed.
Hey Owen!
Appreciate the kind words my friend! Hope they continue to serve you well.
Without seeing WHY this is happening and from a purely learning movement pattern perspective I would start with this drill for the next 6-12 months as a warm up
ruclips.net/video/fv2T_ganjK8/видео.html
I would supplement and try this one as well to change the shaft loading profiles: ruclips.net/video/-2dxk-lCsb4/видео.html
I would then check the basics like making sure the face is closed enough, etc.
@@CogornoGolf Thanks for the response Eric - I'll check out the links.
I think I see, I was working on your coat hanger drill with body rotation (Chris Ryan’s you tubes helped clarify as well) and low and behold, my flip went away automatically as well my tendency to hit the ground before the ball. Awesome....I’m rotating my lead arm a lot now allowing me to hit to the left easily. Almost feels like I’m putting a spin on the ball, to curve it to the left.
So far just short shots of 40 yards or so.
Also, The ball seems like its bouncing off the club face with that cracking sound, going much further than I would expect
Thanks to both of you.
Love it! Fixed your face and dynamic loft....should lead to more solid shots!
Happy to hear that
Wow you completely described my problem. You said you could practice a million times and you'll never get compression. So true. I practiced for days trying to get the hands coming through first and on video its a flip. I also come up to prevent taking a massive divot before the ball. Its almost like im in a live lesson with you and you're telling me what im doing wrong
Hope this one helps your game, Angelo!
Last drill is so good...crazy thing is how far you can hit your irons with that little swing...if im not striking it well ill just club up a couple clubs and use that little swing
Love it!
I freakin’ loved this video. Taking this to the range today, my irons are short and high and sick of it. I’m also catching your other videos as well.
Yessir-watch the dynamic loft videos and wrist conditions videos will help that
I used to hit a 5 iron 200 yards .... now it’s 150 🤦♂️.... just bought the chipping stick ... will definitely work on this ... thanks a ton
If that change has happened within the past year or so (not 30 years) then dynamic loft Is the main thing you need to look at and fix...
finally someone teaching golf properly and recognising all the competing challenges/no silver bullets in a vacuum
:)
So helpful. Getting back into golf, and am using the rotation model with the stick. I do have to feel as though I am open through impact and the follow through is more like Trevino. If I use my hands through impact I seem to quit on the body rotation and hit it fat. So I guess I'll just hold it and rotate. I really have to fire the right side through !
Yes!
Wow I wish that the dozens of other videos I watched addressed then 2 caveats you mentioned. Because I’ve been trying these drills with zero luck because I have an open club face and swing over the top.
My issue is that I’ve ALSO been trying to fix my over the top swing for years with no luck. Your videos are some of the best but my brain just can’t register it after swinging like that for 20+ years. I feel entirely hopefully at this point and will try actual lessons this year.
I can play decent golf but the flip is killing my distance, sending the ball wayyyyy too high with my irons, and causing me to hit a ton off fat shots or mis hits off the toe.
Thanks for the great video as always and more importantly getting me back on track to fix my root causes before diving down the stopping the flip rabbit hole any further.
Do you do any swing analysis or online coaching?
Thanks in advance!
Glad this one helped, Max!
We do our online coaching over at www.cogornogolf.com👊
Send in your swings and we'll do a full analysis and build out a personal practice plan for you. Hope to see you there!
Eric on the latter part of the vid where you are rotating those forearms, that looks to me very like what a lot of pro's do regardless of the 'holding the club face square' etc sort of golf instruction you seem to see over the last couple of decades (and didn't the golf greats of old, (that is up to about the 1980's do that, rotating I mean!) great channel cheers
Agreed :)
Awesome stuff, thank you, Eric !
:) Thank you! Our pleasure!
Fantastic video Mr. Cogorno - I'm gonna give the alignment stick drill a try. It looks like the kinda thing you could use on the course when having a game on your lonesome...
Thanks,
William
Good luck..yes you could!
Very well done Eric. I appreciate the most that you show there is indeed more than one way to get it done and done well.
Thanks again!
Thanks, Troy!
Great video. Something I’ve worked on before.....I need the feeling of stopping my left wrist from breaking down!
Try this : ruclips.net/video/MmjMWqSp758/видео.html
@@CogornoGolf this is really good and mirrors a few of the things I've worked on previously to do with flattening the left wrist in the backswing. However I've never been taught this left wrist feel in the downswing properly before. For me it's the feeling of "holding off" the release. Which I guess I just feeling the hanger on the left wrist. Assume that's what it might feel like without the hanger - flattening the left wrist on the backswing and holding off the release on the downswing, as I'm a big flipper! Really appreciate this.
Wow this is my biggest problem the flip at Impact where I lose distance . Will try this today, thanks Eric! By the way can I send you a brief video of my golf swing for your review?
You can do an online lesson if you would like...send me an email at ecogorno@yahoo.com
Super Info Well Communicated
Thank you!
Thank you so much seriously!
You got it turner---hope it helps!
Friggin flip ......... thanks this helps a ton
Yessir!
This is GREAT, thank you!!
Thank you! Appreciate you watching!
Great teacher
Thanks Michael!
This video looks and comes off as great feedback! I am a flipper and it’s probably the most frustrating part to my golf game improvement. Do you offer one time swing analysis or is it only full time membership deals? I’m having trouble knowing what’s causing my flip through my videos
Hey John! Thanks for the kind words.
We do not offer one time swing analysis.
We offer various membership options as you mention at www.cogornogolf.com
I'm looking for a group of people who are committed for a long enough period of time for me to invest my time, energy and love into their game.
Awesome stuff as usual! Thank you!
My pleasure!
Newer to golf. Struggling hard for a couple years now with a flip. Have tried so many things... Thanks for this video! Any chance you can link to the two videos you reference early on? I’m guessing I’ve got those basic issues (open club face or path/angle issues) I need to work on first. Thanks!
Hey Michael! Hope this helps my friend
To get rid of the flip for good I would start with making sure your club face is good.
That starts with grip
1. ruclips.net/video/EoHnyunIAWw/видео.html
2. Get the face in order here: ruclips.net/video/L8xlyijEh-g/видео.html
3. ruclips.net/video/cARt8BnwYW8/видео.html
Eric Cogorno Golf thank you so much! It’s really neat how you’re helping us all. I know I speak for everyone when I say we really appreciate it. Thank you!
My pleasure my friend...I appreciate ya right back! Thanks for being with us!
Great video as always. Will a cupped left wrist at the top of the backswing cause a flip?
Def could. If you don't have a really strong grip the cup will open the face which would may lead to you flipping to square face
Flip! Watched a slow-mo video of myself and help the ball in the air. I’ve applied the alignment rod drill and immediately compress the ball, see a lower and straighter ball flight. What advice do you have for integrating the drill into a full swing. I tend to revert back to flipping if I extend my follow through.
Hey Vincent!
1. Go slow enough speed (20%) and short enough (hip high)
Do that until you can repeat easily (could be 1 day or 4 months)
then add swing length but keep speed slow until you can do 3/4 swing at 20% then full at 20%
then back down to hip high but add speed....etc etc
Keep using video feedback and I would work with a good coach!
@@CogornoGolf This is great advice, my instinct was to progress too quickly without really establishing the move properly. I’ll give that progression a go. If I get 25% improvement in consistency I don’t mind if it takes me a year to get right, anything is better than not knowing where the ball is going to shoot off of the club-face.
So if no club face issue and no swing direction issue then I believe the culprit causing the flip for most handicappers is mental image of thinking we must help the ball into the air. Everything with your swing could be perfect but if your mindset is such that you believe you must help get the ball into the air then you’re doomed to a lifetime of flipping. Not many instructors discuss that at all. Have anything on that Eric?
Hey John!
Yeah that can definitely come up for newer players! Will put it on the list.....we have some on that if you look at the "dynamic loft" or compression videos but I dont think specifically the way you are saying
Hey Eric something tells me you learn to play the second way and somewhere down the line someone told you to rotate and here we are
:) Thanks for watching, Charles!
can I do the rotation, plus flexion, plus arm rotation>? or should I just go play around with it and see. Seems Like I would get max speed if I time it just right. Am I correct or just over thinking and being greedy. Super excited to get to the open field now. Where were you when I was a teenager>?
Haha better late than never!
I would really have to see your swing to say for sure specifically what you should or shouldn't do
Have to see what youre currently doing, discusses feels vs reals, etc etc
Best tip I ever heard on this was from Lee Trevino: If you hit a flip hook, then you are probably slowing down or even stopping your left shoulder at impact. Focus on accelerating the left shoulder at and through impact. If you need a visual, watch Webb Simpson swing.
Yup, I like that feel!
Great vid
Thank you!
Another awesome video - question. Why would I have a poorer impact position for my long irons v my mid-wedges. My divots for 7-down are good. But put a 4-6 iron in my hand and the club zips past my hands straight after impact causing a high ball flight
I would be willing to bet they don't look all that much different....Of course I would have to see your swing to say for sure why and how to fix without making a big guess :)
Eric Cogorno Golf interesting. Should send you my swing 😉
Mine actually flips right after impact. Even though I lag it, it still feels it stiffens up or straighten out right exactly at impact. I have that feeling that my wrist feel stiff. This happened when I started learning to have a short thumb since I used to have a long thumb. Still finding a way yor fix it. But this though led to a consistent target. Which I think is weird because I hate the feeling of flipping.
But when I loosen up my thumb, I can swing it further back and mu downswing stop flipping at impact. And my rotation feels lighter. But in terms of consistency of shots the former is more effective and more on target. So now I’m confused. Can’t figure our what I’m doing weong. How do I merge the two?
Hey!
Interesting...I'm not sure to be honest. I need to see your swing on video to see exactly what you are explaining here first then I would be able to see what's happening and make suggestions.
Join us at www.cogornogolf.com if you ever want to send your swings in to us to look at!
I have a steep flip, so I always hit the ball first, and take BIG divots and kind of play a pull draw with a flip 😂problem is when my timing is off 😅
Haha yes probably best to get that sorted out :) Send videos in to www.cogornogolf.com or find a great coach to work with in person!!
I'm confused on this. I watched a few Paul Wilson videos and he seems to be an advocate for wrist flipping. It seems like your not as hard on flippers as other coaches, so would like your personal thoughts on this
Hey Justin!
Thanks for the message! Im not sure what you mean by this
"It seems like your not as hard on flippers as other coaches"
Can you clarify what you mean or what you want to know and Ill be happy to answer!
@@CogornoGolf well you state that some natural release is fine but I have watched alot of vids where people talk about holding lag with forward shaft lean all the way through impact. It feel so in natural to me
Hey Justin...maybe watching these will help clear up what I would suggest
ruclips.net/video/8Cg2O8atmYY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/2nOKt2uclRw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/TtRDa3s7Bwo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/U5w_7XwaVks/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/HlznXREt37c/видео.html
I have flip too, but not this kind. My lower body moves way too fast and I get stuck, and I have to catch the legs by flipping the club.. Any ideas or videos?
Yeah-use the chair drill in front of lead leg from todays video
Excellent Video, where do you teach?, my son Needs this, decent high school player, comes from the inside & flips it. Has ability. Right handed but plays lefty.
Thank you sir. I'm in Bethlehem, Pa. About an hour outside of Philly
Eric Cogorno Golf only 45 minutes away. Do you give private lessons or just online?
I do private sessions. Here if link to lesson info
ecgolfcoaching.acuityscheduling.com
Eric can you do this with woods as well? I feel like I can grasp this with my irons and wedges but my lack or rotation/early ext and flipping exacerbates
For sure!
Love that thanks 👌🏽🙏🏼😁
MY pleasure my friend!
“Foot deep divot” been there done that
Haha me too man
Friggin awesome
Yessir
One thing I've realized that helps is to swing the club only with the lead arm.
That can help!
This is an older video and still great. But I want emphasize the “DO NOT DO THE ALIGNMENT ROD DRILL UNTIL YOU FIX PATH AND CLUB FACE ISSUES” part 😂. I had an instructor that kind of skipped those parts and I ended up with bruising that had to be seen to be believed. You CANNOT “just stop the flip” without addressing the other things. You’re flipping the club because you HAVE TO at that point. You’ll just beat your spleen out if you don’t take Eric’s advice there seriously.
Yessir! :)
Can a grip that is too weak cause a flip?
Definitely
I cannot be fixed. If I flip into impact, I hit it thin or fat. If I attempt to keep the left wrist flat, I block it way right or shank it. I'll go with the 3rd option..........Quit.
Hey Jack! Sorry to hear that---I'm sure with a good coach you can find solutions to help! Best of luck!
man that looks like it hurts. but I can see how this will work.
in ireland and scotland using other words in place of swear words is called flighting!
:)
The stick will offer more negative reinforcement XD
:)
swing thought 18: FLIP IT FLIP IT FLIP IT!
Man this is a hard ass habit to break
Start short and slow. Exaggerate 1000x more than you think. Video yourself and be patient...you'll get it!
@@CogornoGolf thanks man!
Nice freakin’ video. Lol
Thank you!
isn't the flip cause mostly because the golfer has stopped rotating, asking for a friend.
Its main due to open face or steep shaft. You stop rotating because of those 2 generally speaking
Friggin flipping friggin sucks.
Its not the best :)
I think this is possibly the biggest fault in most new/weekend/casual golfers
Definitely up there! Lots of open club faces....