Self Defense or Premeditated Murder? The Story of Charlie Tan
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I wanted to give you all a little update on the Charlie Tan case: I am now in contact with Charlie through the inmate messaging system and he was very thankful for the coverage on his case and all the supportive comments coming through. He is doing some amazing things already in incarceration and has some big goals to impact victims of domestic violence in the future. We are brainstorming ways we can work together. He is the sweetest guy and I am just so heartbroken by his situation. Hopefully we can work together in the future and try to make an impact. Thank you everyone for all the kind words and support, I have messaged him several of your comments and i'm sure it means a lot to know people are thinking of him on the outside...
Thanks Kendall. From your video, i believe he’s a brave hero to his mother for doing what he did. I’m not a domestic abuse survivor.
If there’s any support we can give him, anyone we can contact to get an appeal, please let us know. (I don’t live in America so don’t know the process).
20 years is absolutely ridiculous. I would understand a lighter sentence, but this is crazy. There should be something similar to battered wife syndrome but for the children who witness their horrific parents growing up
@@taylorfaulkner7111 yeah I wonder when he's eligible for parole though. Most people don't serve the full sentence....
@@tonyahinrichs8828 ahh makes sense. Don’t know how it all works I hope that will be the case
Thank you for everything you do❤
Poor guy, he did this to protect his mother even though he know the consequences, he’s a good son
Those prosecutors are absolutely disgusting. Couldn't win on the charge they wanted so they tried a different charge for the same sentence. They don't care about the truth, but about winning.
Amen
Agreed. They used the weapons charges' punishment as a stand in for murder punishment which is super unethical imo. Sure, make him serve time for the weapons charges but it was his first offense and there were mitigating circumstances. He cooperated and plead guilty, why did they throw the book at him?
Idk if he was just trying to do the right thing (by pleading guilty) and didn't actually get a plea deal, but if he had a lawyer during this time they should be fiiiiiiiired and disbarred. Still, it's incredibly bad form by the judges and DA. I'd accept somewhere between 5-10 years but closer to 5 or less if served concurrently. And then never being allowed to own weapons again and probation for however many years. This 20 year sentence is just a waste of taxpayer money
@@morgan4574 I agree. 20 years seems quite excessive for a weapons charge. Some murderers get less time than that.
yes I wonder how the prosecutors would feel if they had to endure 1 hundredth of Charlie did growing up. So disgusting that they wasted more time and money pursuing these other charges against him.
Agreed. They were simply pissed that they didn't win, so they seeked out different ways, really small dick energy
The prosecutors weren’t interested in justice. They just wanted to win. Charlie was never going to hurt anyone else. The real tragedy here is that we’re missing out on 20 years of this young man’s contributions to society.
EXACTLY!!! They would have gave the dad waaaay less time if he killed the mom.
It was a premeditated murder regardless of the abusive situation.
yep!
@@faithkrichel3485 Okay? And he thought it was either his mother dead, or his abusive father.
Even in Charlie statements he said he was remorseful and wanted to give back to the community. But yet other murders feel no remorse at all. Hell Casey Anthony got away with murder
I honestly believe that the prosecutors went for the maximum punishment because their pride was hurt by the initial ruling . This was retaliatory and such a devastating result 😞
I would agree, but this was federal charges. The only thing the prosecutor could do was refer the case to the US Attorney.
I 100% agree with you!
They were calling for help for YEARSSSSS and no one helped! This is 1000% self defense. Shame on those prosecutors. I hope they or their loved ones never have to go through what he did.
18 DV calls and police did nothing. A common theme among DV victims. Just tragic
That's why I feel like after a certain number of DV calls it shouldn't be even an option for the two individuals to live together anymore. Like: "Oh you hit strike 5 of the DV calls? Guess you two have to find different housing! Nope, don't care if you don't want to press charges! We might not charge one of you for assault, but now neither of your are legally allowed to occupy the same space. I see you have children, well I guess if you want dual custody you'll have to do a kid swap at the local courthouse as the two of you are too dangerous to be anywhere near each other." On an additional note, I think if you have more than one spouse/partner that reports you for domestic abuse, you get to go to jail. At that point, you've proven you're a danger to others.
sosososososo UPSETTING!!!
@@smm855 yeah sure. Keep giving him the kids. Glad to see you’ve thought this through.
@@smm855I found that really surprising. Surely Jean had red marks around her neck. Where I live in Atlanta, if police come out for DV of that level, someone is going to jail. They would never just leave the 2 together at home.
40% of cops are domestic abusers apparently
That man was absolutely going to kill Charlie’s mother. Maybe not that day… but he was. I’m glad the judge ruled in the morally correct way. Sometimes, the black and white laws shouldn't apply. Charlie and his family were victims their entire lives.
Morally correct way ? You can’t just kill people for crimes they may commit . Not a morally correct decision at all
@@missyrose2154 ok.
Incredibly well said! I agree 100%. Sometimes laws don’t align with morality as intended.
I don't remember the statistic, but if your partner is to the point of strangling you, you need to leave. They are EXTREMELY likely to kill you.
@@amya7637 the statistic is 750%. When an abuser has committed non-fatal strangulation even one time, the likelihood of homicide increases by 750%.
Damn imagine fighting so hard FOR A FAMILY ABUSER just because the son "technically" killed him. The prosecution is a disgrace for justice.
You can't take the law into your own hands in this country.
It’s losers like Charlie and you who think it is alright to murder a human being!!!!! Charlie and his adult brother couldn’t BOTH go to the father and say “dad if you kill mom we will kill you….or go to the police/testify against you about all the abuse and f’ed up sh*t you have done???!!!! No then daddy would’ve cut them off from the money!!!!
@@kabxiong9191 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@kabxiong9191 I keep getting Kyle Rittenhouse twister and I don't even know why because I am not a follower of him
@@mellowmangomamiz self defense in Texas you absolutely can-but it is very much about head of household protecting HIS house-it is hard to fight domestic violence and a son killing his father, fratricide is tough-but STILL self defense
Domestic abuse leaves you feeling trapped and desperate. I totally understand why the mom was scared to leave and why Charlie did what he did. He is a hero and absolutely saved his mother's life.
Trapped, desperate and most of all isolated
amen to that
Totally..I was once in abusive relationship..I only stayed because I didn't want to be murdered but people who have not been in that situation will never understand it. I'm a free woman now
Couldn’t agree more
💯
Charlie lived in a prison his entire childhood. I find it reprehensible that a judge sentenced this young, promising, intelligent man to 20 years in jail. This story is tragic. The prosecution and judge shouldn’t rejoice in this conviction.
My boyfriend was friends with Charlie. This was genuinely a tragic story. He said his dad would hold him up to the wall by his neck screaming at him in front of all of his friends. God knows what that man did to them behind closed doors. I fully support Charlie.
He's a murderer
@@deadmanswife3625I see u support abuser...no wonder u see him as murderer
@@deadmanswife3625Are you the mistress or something?? You seem super invested in defending Jim or whatever the twats name is.
@@deadmanswife3625he defended himself
@@mehalexyt4265 he executed him he was safe at school. And his mom wasn't anywhere near him. He was in his office working they were looking for trouble
It makes me sick to hear them go so hard with these cases when there are people out there who have gotten away with killing their kids and S/A. We need to prioritize justice for actual victims.
The worst part is, it’s just because those cases are more work. This was so easy for them and that’s why they were pissed it didn’t work out the way they wanted. They absolutely only care about their conviction record.
The police failed this family. 18 times of DV calls is insane… imagine all the times that weren’t called. How many times do people need to call for help in order for people to understand the seriousness of these kind of situations. He was protecting his mom. Just like we all would for the people we love.
When the police don't help, what do they expect to happen? People have to take shit into their own hands.
I agree! He should appeal his sentence and sue the police department for negligence. They had the responsibility of helping his mother when she called the police so many times and they did nothing.
My comment may not be popular but i don’t think it was the police fault. It’s the laws that protect abusers that are at fault.
If she called 18 times but then defends him 18 times when the cops come, what do the police have against him? What can the police legally do?
we did get the specifics of one incidence & the mom defended him, coerced of course, but defended him nonetheless which is extremely common in DA. The police may have had their hands tied depending on the laws in their jurisdiction and what evidence they could get.
It’s unfortunate how their relationship affected their children so much.
As a survivor of domestic abuse, I understand why Charlie did what he did. My jaw dropped when you said he was sentenced to 20 yrs.. yet his dads abused slid through the cracks for years
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@@trentcruise3084 seek help
Where’s the Justice for Charlie and his mother and brother?
This, it's so sad. He doesn't deserve it.
I feel horrible for Charlie and his family, they suffered a lot. But at the end of the day what do we expect, the abusive man died a violent dead, at the hands of the people he kept on hurting for years.
I can’t believe that earlier this year his appeal was denied. A gross misjustice.
Self defence shouldn’t just mean defence in the moment. I feel this definitely does count and I’m so sad he’s in prison
Yeah, if the threat is repeated and an ongoing issue then why does it have to be directly tied to an immediate event? Was he meant to just wait for his mother to get attacked again and possibly killed? That seems unreasonable.
@@alyssahansen1400 100%
FACTS homie 🎯. He had a LONG documented history of neglecting, terrorizing,and physically abusing these poor ppl WHILE police did NOTHING to save them. The second poor Charlie fights back...these "arbiters of justice"😒 go ALL out to lock the poor guy away for life. How is THAT justice?😒💯💯💯💯💯💪🏾🧔🏾♂️
He did not deserve to serve jail time. He did what he felt like what he needed to do, he was protecting his mother because no one else could. The police failed them. Everyone failed them.
Totally agree 100%
But by letting him off Scott free you are telling other families that if they kill someone and claim DV they can easily get away with it. He could have scared his father, just hurt his father, taken his mother away, etc. There were other options on the table than murder.
The police can only pursue charges with a willing victim… in your heart u can feel a crime has taken place… but without a victim pursuing prosecution against someone, the police can’t do anything. The mother called the police but never pressed charges, this happens a lot and police cannot arrest without formal charges.
@@nbcboy20 Not really. In this situation there were mountains of proof that mom was abused by her husband. Some people claim they were abused and at no time were police called or any hospital care.
Abuse should be documented by both.
@@leviariyahyaseen They can when the caller keeps refusing to press charges. I know of two instances where the women were jailed for constantly calling 911.
Then finally one did press charges after her arm was broken. He did eighteen years.
These sick prosecutors have never experienced domestic abuse. I’m so sorry, Charlie. You’re a hero to your family and those who were abused
Exactly!! Charlie is a hero... I’m so sorry you’re going through all this Charlie 🥺 it’s not fair at all.
Those prosecutors doesn’t understand and it piss me off so bad
Dirty, vindictive prosecutors. Very unfair sentence,should have been time served. Failure of the legal system, which is no surprise to me.
@@berniceleblanc515 Lol! Got what he deserved.
@@rls2348 No fool, they were correct to be vindictive. He almost got away with MURDER. I was so happy when they nailed him.
The prosecutors deserve to feel all the fear and pain that Jean, Jeff and Charlie had to live through for all those years living with that monster. Heartbreaking that Charlie got 20 years...
Wait a second.. so u mean to tell me all those calls to the police about her being abused and NOTHING was done.. but they jumped thru hoops to put that kid in jail for doing something about it? Our justice system ladies and gentlemen
They went to their house, but the wife was refusing to press charges. Cops cannot do anything if the victim changes her mind and says that everything is fine.
@@tania1802 The police can press charges in those circumstances.
@@tania1802 yes. yes they can. imagine if by some miracle survived after being kidnapped, stabbed, left for dead but told the responders that you didnt want to press charges on the person who did it.... all they would have to do in order to press charges for assault would be to try.
I wish they had put that same energy into protecting these boys and their mother. It's beyond amazing who they choose to throw the book at. Years of abuse and crying out for help, through the proper channels, and they were left unprotected. This is so disgusting 😤 It shows you where out priorities are when it comes to protecting the vulnerable 💔
It's not "beyond amazing" that they throw the book at a murderer.
@@Maspets youre in every comment, we get it, but by now it seems like youre on the dads side, i wonder why
@@strawberrrys DUURR I WONDEERR WHHY. Because HE'S DEAD! He was murdered! And you guys THINK he was abusive so it was okay. You are not allowed to murder people buddy.
@@Maspets ohh yikes.. “thinks” he was abusive? how come youre so quick to dismiss his abuse, murdered or not? very weird, youre probably one of them
@@strawberrrys Yup! Abusers always defend other abusers. The dad got what he deserved 🤷♀️
It's ridiculous how hard the prosecution went for Charlie, when there are so many cases where there wasn't even a half-ass attempt to get justice for the victims.
Completely agree with you. There are those that rape. Molest. Sodomize. Drive under the influence. Race their cars and murder and these ppl get a slap on the wrist. He did the only thing he thought he could to protect his mother. I completely understand why he did it
Came here to say this exactly, but you beat me to it. Chronic abusers get slaps on the wrist again and again, but they went after this poor kid. Smh
it’s so vile
i agree, clearly he wasnt a threat to the community and he was so young. Its all about the #'s for most prosecutors, win at all costs and they clearly had it in for Charlie.
It makes me think that the defense attorneys sympathized with the abusive dad because they are in fact horrible humans themselves.
A guy that was like an older brother to me, and my brothers best friend growing up grew up with an abusive father. He always told us he was worried for the safety of his siblings but especially for his mother. His father always told his mother that if she did anything against his will or wanted to leave him, he’d kill her. One day, she was trying to leave before he got home and he saw the packed bags and he stabbed her to death. I absolutely think Charlie did the right thing, when someone says they are going to kill someone, 9 times out of 10 it’s only a matter of time before they do and there’s really nothing else that you can do to stop the abuse. You can’t leave, you can’t rely on law enforcement, you can’t do anything.
I called the police multiple times on my abuser and the police told me they couldn't do anything. He pinned me down in a chair so I hit him and I called the police. I ended up arrested and the state pressed charges on me! This has completely ruined mine and my children's lives. We're still suffering every day from this injustice
WOW. This says a lot more about bruised egos in the prosecution’s office than it does about real justice. So sad on so many levels. If only prosecutors could spend more time putting people away that are not productive and positive members of society. Thank gosh Charlie saved his Mum. I hope somehow he gets out and is able to be with her and his brother. They definitely deserve that after all they have been through. All the love to him and his family
frfr those prosecuters and two women saying that charlie should've been found guilty are pos
Exactly
Indeed💯
There has to be a petition or something. This case breaks my heart and I want to do something about it
"This says a lot more about bruised egos in the prosecution’s office than it does about real justice." - This. Sounds like they didn't like that he "got away" and were vindictively trying to find a reason to lock him up, despite him clearly not being a threat to society.
My blood is boiling! Those prosecutors are awful. The lack of empathy. There are other forms of action that could have been taken to support Charlie and his mom.
Most wouldn’t agree with me, but I can understand if you wanted him to serve time, but if you want to try this like just another murder, you clearly don’t want to put a stop to domestic violence. That’s the clear stance that prosecutor took, and the ego is clear when he tried to cut off and name call the judge. Those are big no nos.
Prosecutors are known for that. They don’t have any empathy and see our for blood. They don’t care about anything but winning any case that they have on hand.
They don’t care about abuse.
Exactly! If they would have done something other than just making his dad leave for a while to cool off Charlie wouldn’t have had to do what he did. The prosecutor was butt hurt after the judge dropped the charges that he was determined to get him and unfortunately he did 😢but meanwhile Casey Anthony is running around free😡
Our legal system promotes based on wins, not justice. Prosecutors just want the win and when they lose they hold grudges because they see it as an attack on their career.
My dad was an abusive f*ck too, had nightmares my entire childhood I killed him and hide the body. I went a different way than Charlie though, after the Tacoma police and CPS refused to help me, I collected evidence and blackmailed my father until the day he died, one of the best days of my life.
i wish i could do this with my situation, but i fear being killed for it for some reason. idk
Not everybody has brains like you did
I totally understand Charlie, my dad used to beat my mum so badly he broke her hand but I was a little girl and used to cry as I couldn’t fight. Charlie is brave this is all I can say. The system is broken they don’t protect the abusee. He should have been freed or minimum sentence
I know what they went through
However, he committed premeditated murder. There are laws in this country, which were clearly broken. While it would have been better for the dad to go to jail forever, there was no chance of that happening since the mom lied to police every time and refused to press charges.
So it's not really fair to say that she wasn't protected. What were police suppose to do? Take her against her will? That's unfortunately the only way she would have left. She even allowed her son to murder him, so there's no way she would have cooperated with police. That's just the sad reality of the situation.
@@VioletJoyI mean yeah police should look further into something even if the mother lied. THERE WERE CHILDREN IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD.
@@justava2349 Yes, but she called about herself, not the kids. The mom holds a lot of responsibility here.
@@VioletJoy that still makes no sense whatsoever. She called at least over a decade about abuse in her house. Police and law enforcement would see that she has children. They should have further investigated. This is a no brainer.
The fact that he has to serve the same amount of time as some serial killers or offenders is insane. He just wanted to protect his mom. I would absolutely do something like that to save my moms life.
Between that and the constant examples of calls to police about the abuse where nothing was done I feel like there's more here; did this guy have serious local political connections or something?
Amen, Pork Butt🙏 me too...
I wouldn't.
No matter what, Charlie saved his mother’s life. His father even said he was going to kill her. I really feel like the 20 year sentence was just a way to get around the double jeopardy.
I definitely agree with this
Absolutely.
Agreed
Of course it was. How is that even in doubt?
No the prosecutor was butt hurt about losing and convinced the FBI or ATF to file charges on Charlie. Prosecutors don’t care about justice. Just their win rate. 😢
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Absolutely tragic. Amazing the energy that was spent on putting him away rather than protecting them. We are rooting for you, Charlie!!!
He undoubtedly saved his mother’s life. Honestly, after calling for help repeatedly and not being given any, I think any of us would do the same in his position. He does not deserve to do time.
Yes, this case is insane. If he got charges then the police and prosecutors deserve charges for negligence. This case shows the unfathomable cruelty of our judicial system.
I completely agree
I think he deserves time due to it being premeditated, but not 20 years with the mitigating factors. They should have more space for abuse or mental/emotional health allowing for lower sentences and more parole sentences
Definitely, homie... would've sent abusive daddy to start his new exciting life in a land far far away never to return.😒💯💯💯💪🏾🧔🏾♂️
Wow. Those prosecutors were hell bent on getting him in jail. Shameful. This man was protecting his mother when no one else would.
Right?! They just wanted to win 🙄☹️
Prosecutors suck
I don't even get it. Nobody wanted to prosecute Charlie. Nobody. What selfish behavior.
It’s so weird. His dad was dead. Everyone seemed to be on his side. And prosecutors couldn’t just let it go?
And his dad’s actions of choking his mom multiple times until she passed out could have resulted in his dad being the actual murderer.
This case is so sad! This kid should not be serving time for defending his mother & the abuse they all went through!
Kid
the judge was awesome, he tried so hard to let charlie be a free man...he didn't need to be punished, his punishment was living with his abusive father for almost 20 years and watching his poor mom suffer too...but i bet he doesn't regret a second of it cuz he freed his family of that monster ❤ he's a hero
This can be a huge example of how the system fails the people that need it. If Charlie and his family had the help they need from police and people around them then this wouldn’t have happen.
NYC has a law where if LE is called to a domestic, and there is any evidence at all of DV the state picks up charges even if the victim refuses to press charges. I'm not sure if it applies to the whole state but that would have helped here
How did the system fail them?
I am so mad. And I am sure if that man had gotten around to wiping off his entire family, you'd have seen him sent to a psychiatric facility and then set free in 5 years. Its almost like victims will always be on their own.
The police officers asked her if she wanted to file charges, and she said no.
@@DavidKen878 Cliché! 🤷
When you said he had been sentenced to 20 years, my jaw dropped. That’s just….absolutely wild. My heart breaks for him. I hope he can get out early and try to live a normal life. At least Jean is free from the abuse 🥺
My jaw dropped too, I thought at most theyd give him the minimum sentence for a federal crime (which I believe is one year) and possibly expunge his record as well. My heart broke when I heard his letter to the judge :(
SAME! As soon as Kendal said 20 years, I went "no! That is excessive." It borders on cruel and unusual in my opinion.
the fact that there are convicted pedophiles and sex offenders that dont even get that much or walk the streets without ppl knowing what they are meanwhile charlie is serving TWO DECADES for obtaining a gun is sickening and infuriating.
and on top of that, kyle rittenhouse got off with not only obtaining a gun illegally, but then murdering 2 and injuring 1 with it at a fuckin protest just bc he felt like it.
@@milannoelle1576 our justice system is fucked up
mine did as well it was just a way to get the charges they wanted through, they were upset thery didnt win the caser and instead went after him anyway they can. disgusting
He’s a hero in my eyes. The justice system should have done so much more for him and his brother growing up. I’m so sad to hear he’s having to serve 20 years just because the prosecutors wanted the last word.
there how many rapists in the world? how many abusers? how many cold blooded killers yet they focus on the kid who defended & saved his mothers life? absolutely disgusting. they should NOT be representing our justice system! this is so far from justice!
I feel the most for his mom. All the torture she endured, her son rescues her from it all, and then she’s punished by the guilt from her son’s imprisonment.
She should have left the marriage, now she has ruined her sons life in his bid to defend her. If she had left, the abuse would have stopped and Charlie would have no reason to kill his father
@@chinenyeobi8789 you clearly have never been in or known someone in an abusive relationship like this. When victims leave they are often stalked and even killed, would’ve likely happened since he already threatened it. His mom would’ve 100% been popped.
@@arianachacon2551 As if every situation is 100% the same. Just because YOU know someone doesn't mean that represents all people. You don't get to murder people and get away with it, period!
@@chinenyeobi8789 if it were that easy to leave abusive relationships, they wouldnt exist
She got a travel pass easily and got have left with her boys that easily. She chose to stay
Wow I can’t not believe they thought it was Justice to put him in jail. Where was the Justice system when him and his brother had to grow up in pure terror? Obviously the Justice system failed him and his poor mother and he believed no one else could help them. They need to let him go
agreed
@cool I would agree except for when the police showed up, she denied everything and said she was fine and won't press charges. Do you think she did that because she loved him so much and wanted to stay with him? Probably not. He most likely threatened her life and said she couldn't leave him or he would kill her.
this is a heartbreaking case, my heart goes out to charlie and his mother, sending all my love and prayers
This story was so incredibly heartbreaking.
As a survivor of a drunk and abusive father who made everyday a terrifying nightmare, I understand what Charlie did. Only kids who’ve grown up with that will truly be able to understand. It makes you do things that others cannot understand. It’s a primal survival that kicks in. Plus the need to protect is so strong. I truly believe it’s similar to being at war. And the ptsd as an adult survivor is very real.
He looks peaceful in his mug shot. You know when you see crazy people smile in their mag shots, there’s darkness, with Charlie, there relief, he’s at peace.
I thought the same thing
@@OpalBLeigh what an awful and impossible situation for a child to be put into between their parents
As a mother I would have had to take the fall for my son. The justice system failed this family but if I knew my child was going to be put away there’s no question that I would have said I did it so that he could live his life. Ultimately I am the protector as the parent
Jean manipulated everything
1 bad guy dies and they will go to the ends of the earth to imprison a hero, all while unleashing the worst criminal in the world into our society against the honest citizens.
These prosecutors are sooooo privileged that they can't even sympathize with the boy. Must be nice to grow up in a non-abusive family.
Their egos also take a huge hit when they don't get the conviction so they go even harder trying to feel vindicated, not because they care about the "victim"
Fact is Charlie did kill a human being regardless of how much that human being deserved it. Charlie still broke the law.
@@cafezo87934 okay devils advocate 🙄. The law also recognizes that battered or abused people can make irrational decisions after years of abuse/ trauma. In a lot of cases the abuse is taken into consideration and they will hand down a lighter sentence based on that.
@@ziya352 He's a MURDERER.
Fk ing 20 years for righteousness. While murderers and child molesters get a slap on the wrist. I hate our system sometimes.
he literally gave up his life to save his mothers. i hope he doesn’t end up having to serve the entire sentence, he could do so much good in the world
He was genuinely such a nice person. My school loved him & it was rly horrible.
It’s federal time, they usually serve the majority if not all. Unfortunately in this case.
And this is why many people don't trust the justice system.
I started tearing up when I read the letter. This poor boy just wanted to protect his mother.
There has to be some sort of petition or something for justice for Charlie, this is one of the most heartbreaking cases I’ve heard
I’m crying :(
I agree this is so unfair the prosecutors don’t care about justice it’s all about their numbers smh
If the police showed up 18 times and nothing had changed- it’s understandable that he felt like this was his only option.
This could've very easily been me. Watching your mother continuously being abused by your father breaks something inside you. Fortunately cancer took my father before I had the opportunity. This man has my support and I wish he were free.
This young man was so clearly not a threat of any kind to society. The fact that he had been doing such profound good for underprivileged youth, and therefore society, and had planned to commit his life to such needed community service, really is a testament to his true character. The prosecutors were looking after their own interests and careers. The fact that a judge saw fit to disniss the charges should have been enough for them. I hope so much that Charlie gets paroled very early so that he can go back to doing good works as they are sorely needed. This just shows how truly imbalanced the justice system is and how backward. His mom is very fortunate to have such a loving, unselfish son. That family deserves any and every bit of goodness that comes their way!
Imagine if there was more diligence by the authorities on checking in on all the domestic abuse claims what the impact on their lives could have been.
you know cops will never turn in their own, a vast majority of cops are wife beaters.
He just wanted to protect his mom. And his decision not to flee to Shanghai because he didn’t want to leave his brother behind speaks values. This outcome was so disappointing 😔
It was a GREAT outcome!
@@Maspets you're like the only person commenting on here against this poor guy. that should show you the POS that you are. you lack empathy, you grew up in a privileged household and it showed, and you're very likely an abusive person yourself which is why you feel this way, Your comments sound just like a cop and most of them are domestic abusers so I'm not at all surprised. So many cops are garbage like you.
very disappointing
@@barbrothers2 Obviously you believe the majority is always right like some kind of moron, however, I am not the only person who believes he should be WHERE he is right now. This thread and your limited reading capacity doesn't determine the entire population. So keep on going with your insane rant that I must be a cop. You probably hate them because you're a criminal and you got caught, lol. You deserved it.
Something tells me the brother would've forgiven them, that he would've understood. If not then that'd be a toxic person anyhow.
God I hate that he was sentenced like that. He should be free.
I live in Rochester & know all about this case. I also know neighbors who said things were awful…. he was saving his mother from this horrible abuse! 😢 very sad!!
A judge with the courage to stand tall on moral grounds. What an amazing man. Lets all take a moment to appreciate a judge willing to risk his reputation and repercussions to do the moral thing over the black line of 'obligatory' enforcement of a singular stand alone event.
Did the same judge sentence him?
@@ariellecabrera842 No.
The judge was full of shit.
I feel like it’s very clear he did this solely to save his mother’s life and isn’t homicidal or a threat to the public. So sad at how relieved he must have been and probably thought it was all behind him just for them to come up with new charges.. yet we can’t recharge straight up murderers like Casey Anthony?
THIS!! 😢
omg this!!!’
Speaking of Casey Anthony, I hope Kendall covered that case. Would love to hear her take and narrative of this case
@@jayjanzee9059 she did
Dam right
Abuse is fine but stopping the abuse is not? Damn the justice system for even trying him and damn the prosecution.
My goodness you are an amazing story teller. Love your voice and the way you share the details. Thank you
I cant believe that the jury was shocked they had a mistrial. They are the ones who could not decide if he was guilty or not.
I was thinking that too! Baffles me how baffled they were
Right!? I was like wtf did you want the judge to do?
Glad someone said this! I thought I missed something for a minute!
Yeah...that left me scratching my head.
When sis said “supposed to be trial by jury but it was trial by judge” it BLEW me… Like girl, that’s YA’LL fault
I'm a child of domestic abuse that has left me traumatized. Team Charlie.
Same, my parents were both neglectful and HORRENDOUSLY ABUSIVE, as a child I used to fantasise about being dead to get out of it.
I wish someone helped this poor family and put THE FATHER away
Me too. My mother was 30 years younger than my dad, and made his and our lives literally hell on earth. Any abuse imaginable was done to us by her or allowed to happen by her drug dealers. I was a mother to my siblings from age 6.
I hope she is burning in the furnace room in hell.
Me too.
Me too
Kendall, I know you must hear this a million times, but thank you for what you are doing with your life. You're making so much positive difference in so many lives. Thank you for helping Charlie.
it sucks that the kids have to be put in a place of having to protect and rescue their abused mothers. abusers rarely change but it's never too late for a victim to escape. ladies plot, plan, find resources, hide any clues, take your time planning all the details and in the meantime live your life like nothing has changed. you can do this, you have to because he won't stop abusing you and no one can rescue you either, don't let that responsibility fall onto your kids because its not fair to them.
Having been in that situation, both as the child and then as a Mom, the mom does not look to her children to rescue her... If that happens, it's the child making that decision of their own accord.
20 years?!!! I am in shock. All Charlie wanted to do was protect his mother. What a heartbreaking story.
Ikr??? His father even said he was going to kill her, she literally called the police because his father choked her unconscious, it makes no sense how they gave him 20 years for protecting his mother
I hate that! As always, the justice system failed them. Like the police letting the father go out of town to “cool off”. I’m wondering if they knew he abused them by turning off the utilities or if it was even reported. Messed up.
That's our justice system.
@@Uchiha.Itachiiyggyyv ccgg
All because of some cocky prosecuters with superiority complexes who had bruised egos...
How dare they paint him as a monster when all he was trying to do was save his mothers life. Abuse makes you do crazy things people normally wouldn’t imagine. Charlie I’m sorry the system failed again the prosecution was holding a grudge. Kendall thank you for shining a light on this 💕
The system wasn't designed to protect murderers so it did just fine.
@R Voit yeah, because if they didnt do that, the father would have MURDERED the mom. All evidence is telling so. What is your point again?
@R Voit You clearly never lived an abusive household and had to live with that fear every day. I used to pray for my dad's death or hoped my mom killed him in an argument because I couldn't take growing up like that.
@R Voit they should dig him up and do it again these abusers get away with it for years at some point people are gonna snap.
Ted try 😢t😢te😢rsrsttysa
So incredibly crazy that this happened so close to home... I went to college in Pittsford.. i remember all of the coverage on this case. So sad for all involved.
I’m obsessed with you’re channel! I love you’re old videos too
"Had he known he could reach out to someone?" Um, how many times did they reach out to 911? How many times does one have to before they're taken seriously?
it makes me so angry that Jean called 911 and could be heard objecting to Jim calling off the ambulance but still when police arrived and Jim had managed to convince her to be quiet, and none of the officers tried to at least separate her from him and provide her resources so that she might feel safe telling the truth? Charlie probably grew up watching the police disregard his mothers safety over and over again and finally took it in his own hands. Really feels like malicious prosecution tbh, i think a year or two of jail time for the guns charges may have been warranted, but 20 years make it seem like they were mad abt the dismissed trial and wanted to nail him with something else. super disappointing considering he probably could be doing soooo much good if he were free
The justice system is really messed up! My sister was killed by a maniac on the freeway, who was free on bail for two whole years, eventually sentenced to 4 1/2 years in jail, and ended up only serving 1 year and 4 months for it all. Less than two years for taking a life because it was considered a vehicle incident. To hear of someone finally standing up to domestic violence and getting all that time vs. what myself and my family got, is insane. Prayers for Charlie
I'm so sorry, I'm wishing you and your family the best. It's true that our justice system protects the criminals and rarely gives people the justice they deserve.
My condolences about your sister!
Clearly we don’t have a “justice” system, we have a “legal” system.
I am so sorry for your loss!
😔
Kendall, I love your channel!! What you’re doing to help raise money through sharing these cases is so inspiring and is the only reason I still watch true crime.
unfortunately i do believe it was premeditated. but how could it not be? he was terrified that one of these days he was going to get a call that his mom was gone and his dad would get away with it. he has FACTS to believe that. 18 different phone calls to police for DV and him watching with his own eyes numerous occasions of abuse, and his dad got away with all of it. Makes me sick how many people and all of the justice system have no empathy for DV survivors. There needs to be more clear laws in favor for DV victims and better, easier ways, for them to get help. I’m so sorry Charlie. You and your family deserved more justice.
20 years for a gun charge, yet some people get a lot less for rape or murder. That makes sense to me. They didn’t like the judge throwing the case out, so of course I found a loophole to go after him. Is this all for justice? No, it’s their bruised ego.
Not to mention you have pedos who can not be rehabilitated serving less time. This poor kid. SMH
He should NOT be in jail. This is such a waste of a good person. Charlie has such a good heart. He honestly felt like this was the only way to save his Mom. I hate the Feds!!!
The judge should've saw that he was a good man. After the case was over Charlie went back to school and integrated back in to the community trying to live a normal life and further his education. It wasn't like he lived a life of crime.
Team Charlie……
He obviously thought about moving to Shanghi with her after the fact. He could have easily made those plans and brought his brother with them ahead of time, before he murdered his father. Just because someone is a good person doesn't mean they have the right to go around killing abusive people.
@@loveforeignaccents yeah I agree… up until you are pushed mentally to the absolute limit, he should be free… maybe a couple of year but this is a joke!
@@loveforeignaccents uhm no, he had the right to kill his abusive mother who literally said he was going to kill his mom, do you really think he could have just left and his father wouldn’t find them? With a phsyco person like him he could easily find them and kill them because they left him.
Don’t u think his father would end up abusing his next wife if he ever got one??? What a bunch of bullshit you’re sayinf
Oh this one! I haven't seen the video yet but I've wanted you to cover this one for ages. This blew up when I was very very little. I remember even as a 6 year old I knew so much about this case from the news
I hope you and your baby are doing great! We love and support you always ❤
I grew up near Pittsford and knew Charlie through mutual friend groups. I attended part of the trial and will never forget the testimonies from people who worked for his father. They spoke of abusive work environments and how his father found joy in berating people. Jim Tan was not a good boss, a good father, or a good husband.
The prosecution couldn’t let it go, and for that reason Charlie is sitting in prison where he should be free. Charlie is a good person who needed to save his mother because his father was escalating.
Because he made money and made ALOT of other people money. If he was some poor joe then the prosecution wouldn’t have cared as much
This is what you call a ego and a pride - prosecutors should be ashamed.
I’m a forensic psychology student and one of the main things I’m studying is offender risk assessment, basically evaluating them and deciding their risk of reoffending if they are let out. I can say with the utmost certainty that Charlie is not a danger to anybody else - he shows no signs of recidivism. Personally I think this was a excellent example of nuance being used in the justice system
Maybe after graduation you can evaluate Tan to see if they will parole him early.
Completely agree! Fascinating that you study this and can say without doubt that he is not a dangerous person.
@@felishacooper7634 she cant. she did not conduct a proper
i’m also studying forensic psychology. based on information made to general public, that conclusion can be made. however, you did not conduct mental evaluations so don’t claim that for certain. recidivism is still being studied and there is no certainty.
@@zowchii oh of course, that’s why I stated that I’m just a student - besides it’s just a RUclips comment, nobody is going to cite me as a source
I feel like the prosecutors were salty about the way the judge was close to sending them to jail for messing with his ruling, that's why they couldn't let this go.
Charlie tried his best to avoid what was happening but we can all see how loving of a son he was, he couldn't let his mother be alone with that monster so he had to take action. I do believe he should have served some years because taking a life is no joke, but still, the way this played out was so heartbreaking, I feel for him and I hope he gets out sooner than expected, he has such a life to live!
Hopefully, Charlie is at peace , having saved his mom’s life! He is her hero! May God bless and protect this family!
such a sad case. the prosecutor should've just left Charlie alone and pursue the people who truly do deserve to be behind bars. I hope Charlie appeals and will be let out sooner than 20 years! Is there a petition we can sign?
I’d sign it in a second!! Hope he gets out a lot sooner! He was failed big time by the pathetic judicial system. It’s not surprising though.. 😢 my gawd that poor guy
Me too!
Great can you guys leave the link to the petition please???
Exactly. Who did it benefit for them to pursue him so much??
I would love to see Kendall do a video about the “Grey’s Anatomy Liar” Elisabeth Finch. She was a writer for the TV show who had people, including her family, celebrities, and show creator Shonda Rimes, convinced for years that she was ill with cancer. She used other people’s trauma and passed it off as her own for storylines. She also lied about the death of a sibling, having to clean up a crime scene after a synagogue shooting… a truly wild web of deceit. Vanity Fair did a 2 part article about her a few months back, and she recently did an interview with Ankler trying to explain herself.
Wow, I'll really want a deep dive on this. @Kendall Rae , can we have this?
This sounds interesting honestly
This does sound really interesting
Yes, please
I'm sure at least one of the other true crime youtubers covered it already, maybe even Kendall but I'm not sure. I think it was Wine & Murder Mistery if you're interested, with Sherridan something.
I love the music from the intro. It gives me “The Outer Limits, Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction, Unsolved Mysteries”, nostalgia vibes. I also enjoy how she doesn’t do all that extra dramatic stuff in her videos. Making weird sounds, not getting to the point, interrupting herself with side effects and weird facial expressions or talking to her viewers in strange baby voices or like they’re children.
This is heartbreaking. I feel for him so much. He never should have been sent to prison. It’s quite clear he didn’t see any other option and he just wanted to save his mothers life. Huge injustice.
I cant imagine being a prosecutor in this trial and actually believing that Charlie was a cold-blooded murderer. He did what he had to do to protect his mother because no one else was!
I actually think it was more about the prosecution's ego and maintaining a 'winning' record, because I don't think anyone really cared that he was dead. I mean, who's life was hurt by his death? Him being gone was the best thing for his wife and kids, and since nobody would lock him up...🤷🏼♀️ Not saying he should have been killed, but he certainly had no one to hold him accountable. I'm sure Charlie felt backed into a corner. I hope Charlie gets released early for good behavior and goes on to fulfill his goal of mentoring underprivileged youth.
That is crazy that they went after Charlie when there are so many monsters out there that need to be pursued. It should have been left as a mistrial.
Absolutely! Rochester, NY has an insane per capita murder rate. There's no shortage of crimes to prosecute.
And he plead guilty and cooperated with the weapons charges, why did they throw the book at him? He clearly accepted that he would own up to it and deserved some time maybe 5 years serving some time continuously. 20 years is way too much for a first offence when he cooperated and plead guilty. They're using it as a stand in for a murder punishment which is unethical
@@morgan4574 Boom. I'm surprised new prosectors weren't assigned to this, ngl. 20 years is ridiculous, should have been 5 years and he would have been out in 3.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 I'm worried that he didn't retain a lawyer and just wanted to do the right thing by pleading guilty and therefore the prosecutors and judge took advantage of that. If he did have a lawyer idk how he wasn't offered a plea deal but maybe they had too much evidence and felt like they didn't need to offer a deal
Horrible man hurting his family for years like that. His son did a service to his mother and family. His mother deserved to live and he s a courageous person to have saved his mom.
There should’ve been more protection for the mother and the 2 boys. Unfortunately, Charlie felt desperate to help his mother. I wish the outcome would’ve been better. Thank you for telling us about this case.
While the prosecutors went above and beyond to find Charlie guilty of something, they are letting true criminals in the streets. He saved his Mother. He sacrificed his future to freed her from all the abuse she endured. I hope he gets released sooner.
If the authorities had actually taken action toward the father during one of their 18 calls, this probably wouldn't have happened. The fact they wanted to go after him even after dismissal shows how backwards they are. They allowed this man abuse his family repeatedly, then blamed the victims when they defended themselves. The message I see over and over is that men can scream, yell, and abuse their families, and everyone better sit back and take it . People are not property 😒
Exactly. When they did cry for help, no one listened. Just the thought of him growing watching his dad being abusive and not being able to stop him makes me understand why he did it.
No PROBABLY about it
i cannot believe charlie in the end has to serve 20 years after YEARS of not only witnessing his mother being abused but being abused himself. he was defending his mother plain and simple now yes he didn’t go about it the right way but you can never know what you’d do in that situation until you’re actually in it. the prosecution are vile ppl for continually going after charlie and trying to make him look like the bad guy when he was far from it, what terrible ppl !!
Such a very sad story. It sounds like his family suffered for many years. My heart goes out to him and his family. I truly believe he will find away to change the world and make a difference. Strong mind and strong heart 💜
Charlie should be free. Law enforcement failed that family. His mother wouldn't have made it out alive. I hope she's found peace and is safe now. Justice for Charlie. 🖤
I totally agree with you, I’m from the area where this happened and it’s no surprise the police department failed them. RPD has a horrible history of neglect and abuse of power.
I agree Madison. I live in the area and it seems that the prosecutor was hell bent for revenge.
That prosecutor had a vendetta against Charlie when he lost the case and the judge told him to stop talking. He should not have gotten jail time let a lot 20 years. So messed up.
I’m convinced it was that same prosecutor who continued to fight even after the judge’s decision. I strongly believe he he be reason Tan’s story got brought up again.
@@embadly absolutely!!
I felt so happy hearing the judge dismissed his case entirely thinking he and his mom could live freely without their abuser but no, he was imprisoned instead 💔
I feel so bad for Charlie. He realized that he was the only one who would protect his mother- but that meant giving up his freedom.
Well said! Charlie truly traded his own freedom for his mother's freedom 🥺
I really feel like he had no choice in the situation. Going to the authorities wouldn't have solved this. The dad would get a slap on the wrist, and then come looking for them even more angry and violent than before.
I don't even see how this is controversial. It's a controversy between those who have a moral compass, and those who don't.