A Grinding Disc That EATS Metal! Victograin VS Traditional Grinding Discs
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- In this video im going to show you just how much more effective an engineered abrasive is vs the normal stone grinding discs you may be used to seeing. These discs cost about the same amount, but are 4 or 5 times faster, and last multiples longer! I knew they were good, but I was actually shocked when I went back and looked at the time differences.
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Hey thanks for watching! Ive been updating the link for the discs as they are fluctuating into and out of stock. I’ll try to keep ontop of it! I just updated it so check it out!
Man up, finish the test.
Rapid grind makes the same disc 4.5 inch under 6 $ check into those
@@briangreenfield7236 Have you used both? Just checking because if you haven’t used both you can’t compare.
@Len M. no but I have used the Sharkskin disc's and the rapid Shark skin were around 18 $ and I found the rapid grind for 1/3 the cost and they were the same trust me I can get you the Info if u would like to try them out ?
Will these fit the 4 1/2'" Dewalt grinder?
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Wish I had watched this video ages ago. Bought a box of them and my goodness the difference is night and day. Way less vibration and noise and unbelievably faster material removal rate. Feels like using a flap disc instead of a traditional stone grinding disc. Lifetime is still not clear to me yet but first impression are seriously impressive! Thanks a bunch for sharing this, I will never use anything else ever again.
I couldn't believe the difference when I tried these for the first time... They've got a new version of these coming later this year too that is even faster... I got to test them recently, so good!
Man I’m so glad I saw this, and thanks for taking the time to showcase such a great product. As a blacksmith I go through discs like crazy and have searched far and low for a great disc like these and finally settled on ceramic flap discs but that’s gonna change now from watching this. I know Pferds quality having some of their Carbide burrs, and files, and they make the best modern made metal working tools I’ve found so far, shows how many tools they offer with these sitting under my nose the whole time.
Dude…. Those Victrograin are amazing. Saved my patience, hands, and time. They are money. I had one in my kit before watching this just to sample it out from my local weld supply. Tried it out and now I use it predominantly. Yes they’re pricey, but the time savings makes it way worth it. Also, I feel I can control it better. Thanks!
Awesome! They are life changing!!
You forgot to say wear a full respirator, these have ceramic in them, not just regular stone/glass
Underrated comment
Never really considered that. Aluminum silicate and silicon carbide are two of the more common abrasives I’ve worked with. It’s probably a good idea to wear ppe when using any grinding disc in general.
Then make your own video and you say it. 😷
@@chrishevia I'm not trying to sell you these cancer discs mate.
@@Bansheekilr he did not get paid for that yet
Thanks for that, most frustrating part of fabricating is too use a grinding disc that feels like it's just sliding over the steel after the first minute,you forgot to mention how much less heat is being generated
I mentioned the same thing in my comment. You can actually see the paint mark burning off which means that steel is smoking hot. One major downside of those crappy bonded hard stones is they cut like crap once the metal reaches a certain temp. That's a huge deal if you need to remove a lot of material.
Appreciate the time you spent making this video. I’ve seen you use this brand and other channels as well. I was not aware of these disc crushing the ones I use from the box stores that only care about large contracts and lowest prices to fill their shelves. I have permanent nerve damage so it’s really tough grinding with stone wheels. Thanks again !!
Local store sells pferd and I absolutely love these disks. They are awesome
I bought these disks and it was because of this video. I gotta say I don't want my money back. Love these disks.
I am building a shipping container house and need to grind down some metal extruding parts, but find the grinding discs not efficient, so a search led me to this video -- so happy about its effieicncy and bought ten discs on Amazon right away. Will come back to comment about their performance soon. Thanks in advance.
I never really use grinding discs much anymore I always just use flap wheels for grading and shaping I love the purple 3m cubitron ones
Less than 10min grinding with a regular disc and you're tired?... You could at least, tried for real... It would be more credible ..
I know. Like eat some Wheaties or something. Pay him and all of a sudden he has a second wind though.
Hahahaha I said the same thing just now, thick skin work out stop having limp wrists lol be a man
Do they sell Jackhammer Bits? Wanna sew his video on them!!
This guy is too tired to finish the test with the rock wheel. But he is fine to grind with the same fatigue with his sponsored wheels.
@@nickbussard6089 said the same thing lol workout do some weights lift something besides your sponsored ego
I bought some and used it. The good thing about them is the size of dust is big and does not float in the air. Regular grinding discs cover every corner with black dust.
Yes! That’s one of the best parts about these, far less fine particles airborne!
What a salesman. Lol. Gonna definitely get some of these. Hope they give you lifetime discs for this video
I truly don’t advertise something unless I actually stand behind it, and I’m telling you these things are like magic! You won’t be disappointed!
Yeah, it reminds me of the infomercials, where the guy is like, "Look, I can't do the job with the cousin eddy brand, but Brand X is so easy even a child could do it."
@@MakeEverything of course. It definitely shows it works good
FYI: I just order $90 of Pferd products, so he sold me for sure. I honestly hope he makes money off these sponsors, because as a maker myself, I want small-scale shops to thrive and have it be a viable career path for people. I have several advanced degrees, but I discovered during Covid just how happy I am when I make things with my hands and I'm happy to stop working in an office. I don't care if I make less money. Life is too short to be miserable.
pferd make the best abrasives by a long way. I've used 3'' cutting discs on a die grinder when i worked in a toolroom. It sounds like bs but please believe me, they cut faster and lasted longer than any other brand. Makita grinding discs are hard to beat as well for the price.
Very nice I will definitely be ordering some up today
Awesome! Let me know how you like them!
These are awesome I use the blue ones alot on stainless. Amazing how well they eat!
Wow... $8? I'll definitely try it for that. Not putting nearly as much heat into workpiece, more productive, AND lasts considerably longer (less downtime for replacement). That's a no-brainer.
I bought a couple and I will give them a try. I’ve been grinding on steel for over 40 years, now retired but still work at home on my personal projects. I will definitely put them to the test and see what happens 👍
How’s they do?
@@01sctacoma haven’t used them yet. I’ve been to Bizzy working on my cars to get them ready for winter, doing a lot of delayed maintenance on them that now needs to be done.
@@MrMopar413 You ever get around to using the Pferd disc?
@@MrMopar413 have you used the disks yet
Yah I got their stuff I like it. I got them to use instead of flap discs for Descaling. Flap discs suck so bad. There is no flap disc that can compare. They are worth the price.
These things are crazy good at taking off heavy mill scale, that was the first time I really noticed the benefit!
"There are rules in the osha handbook for how long you can use a tool like this" - I can just see the reaction from a welder when he helper says this.... hhahahahah
I have tried every sort of cutting/grinding disc’s you can get. Everything from local and big box stores to amazon brands. Pferd is the best. It is night and day difference how much better Pferd disc’s are. The only problem is that nobody readily carries them here in the states, so you just have to plan ahead and order accordingly. The performance and durability of Pferd grinding and cutting disc’s are absolutely amazing. It’s not even close.
😊 wish they had a flat twist lock version
The begining of the video: I've been working with metals for a long time.
Gets tired after 4 minutes of grinding and quits because his hands hurt 😂
I’ve been working with metal long enough to know when I’m wasting my time on a consumable that’s no longer good! 😉
Had a hard time finding Victograin, but PFRED does show up and it looks like they make Victograin.
yeah it's just a brand, tyrolit cubitron is similar
back then: infomercials on corporate tv
now: infomercials on youtube by ordinary people
bought one of these discs online and WOW they eat steel like no other disc, they are INSANE!!!
the only Con is that their life is about half of your traditional grinding disc like pearl or something like that.
so they are more expensive and last half as long which puts them right at about 4 times more expensive, but as far as cleaning up metal, these are unmatched!
I'll be getting some of these. I hate grinding when it takes forever.
Wow!!!, All im going to say is..Yes Im going to ck these out!!! Last march I had Carpal Tunnel surgery , partly from being hardheaded , the other part , just life , Hot-Rods & Military. Thx!!!
Thanks for mentioning the correct usage, I've been using this type of disk wrong - pushing too hard on it.
I had the same revelation when I tried Cubitron discs for the first time. You quickly realize what utter garbage the HF discs are, and how 'stone age' typical discs are. I'll definitely be trying out some of these. Would be cool to see a comparison of these to other structured discs. They still do seem like an awesome value. I mounted a 4 1/2 grinder in a vise (eye-bolt into handle threaded hole, and remote switch), and put a cubitron disc on it. It's the best darn rapid bench grinder I've used yet. Think I'll build a mount for it to free up the vise.
Can't even find these anymore. Thanks for the tease!...
Very interesting. I've had a similar experience with my woodworking using 3M Cubitron sandpaper. Night and day difference.
3m cubitrons are where it’s at!
I was gonna say this sounds like how cubitron works
Thank you for this video!! They are flat out amazing! After watching this I ordered a 10 pack off of Amazon. 5" Pferd victograin. You have saved me time, money, and M18 batteries! I sharpened our Fecon Blackhawk mulcher head on a 2021 cat 299 d3 skidsteer. The mulcher head has hardened steel for the teeth. You are absolutely right these are 4X faster than any traditional grinding discs. The teeth sharpened extremely quick without getting too hot. I will never go back to old school grinding discs. Pferd makes the best chainsaw files and grinding discs by far.
I like the idea of the non-vibration feature. I don't grind as much as I did 25 to 35 years ago but I know what you mean. I can only go so long and the vibration wears me out. I am going to try some of these. I have Pferd 9" regular disks. I like their brand but usually buy the cheap 4-1/2" or 5" disks. I need to look in to this. Thanks for the review.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THOSE PFERD DISCS ARE INCREDIBLY AMAZING!!!!!!!
I sorta hate grinding discs myself. I would always rather use a high grit flapper disc. They just leave a better finish and are quicker in my opinion. I think I’ll try one of these though. Thx for suggestion
Flap disc are for finish work
I was sold on Pferd way back when you first started using them . Always trust an expert because that's why they are EXPERTs. Stay well Chris
I'm not saying you can't spend like $8 on a grinding disk but you can get them for much cheaper so I don't know about the same price
Yes I just bought this and the one thing that makes it worth it is my hands Don't hurt at the end of the work day
Ordered! Huge thanks! I gotta take down a 1" thick, 6" circle patch, down on my smoker, from where they moved the smoke down smh lol
Wow, I am so surprised. I am grateful for your testing and tips on these great discs.
Hi I don't have any pro tools. May I know if you will accept a small job like modifying a ram for arbor press to be use for leather crafts? Thank you.
In a word... WOW!!! I sure wish I'd had these in my career...
How are they at removing heavy mill scale? Do they clog like traditional disks?
Can I use the Victograin for iron
Your add was too good man, now I really want some and they are sold out. I'll have to put them on my Christmas wish list and wait I guess.
Definitely going to switch to the PFERD Victograin, thanks bud
Good info! Thanks brother! Happy 4th!
How do this discs do on removing galvanizing off steel to prep for welding? Do they load up? Wear quicker? Thanks in advance
Very funky, a new cold grinding. In the real world your steel will get real hot.
Thanks, just used your aff link for a 10 spot.
Holy crap! This is crazy fast! Thanks for the heads up!
crazy, got to try these
The Pherd disks are awesome. I would recommend giving the 3m Cubitron 36g sanding disks a try. Thats about all I use anymore. you need a cheap backing pad for them, The walter cool backers are nice.
those discs are awesome. Def gotta get some. Thanks!
Among all the other wows already commented.... Are you teaching people how to improperly grind? Not supposed to grind with flat side of traditional grinding rocks, good way to get someone hurt. I threw my grind rocks away long time ago anyhow. Flap disk ftw. Compare your fancy whole grain organic wheel to a flap disk and then we'll see what ya got.. cheers :)
More economical to use hard disc….it’s a skill …way quicker
is the SGP vs the GP because one is 5" and the other is 4 1/2?
Nice! Never heard of these before. One problem with the regular bonded hard discs is they stop cutting once the metal starts heating up if you need to remove a bunch of metal. You can see this by looking at the paint pen mark burning off and not with the other style discs.
And here in Australia I was wondering this morning why my hands feel fatigued after about 3 hours of grinding after welding. I was doing a lot of reinforcing steel. I'm gonna see if I can get them in Australia. Thanks for the video! Cheers from Australia 🙂👍👍👍. Subbed and liked .
Thanks for the tip mate I’ll get some and try 🤙
Excellent video ..well done thanks ..will get these.
Holy crap, $80 freenken dollars!!!!! I dont mind doing $10.00 experiment but not $80.00.......
I’ll have to update the link but you can get these discs on Amazon for about $8 each. $80 would be a ten pack. Search Pferd CC grind solid and you can get a single disc to try. You won’t be disappointed!
To be fair, youre just using the tip when using the regular disk, however the new one does seem better.
I don’t think these disks are the same price as regular disks.
That being said I have some myself that I bought and I was absolutely blown away by the performance. Worth every extra penny over the regular ones. Especially the fact it doesn’t vibrate as much, really saves my hands. The shavings are also visibly different, much more stringy than the dust the normal ones produce.
I still have a regular disk kicking around somewhere but I don’t think I’ll ever use that again.
I don't get the short use vibration nerve problems. I've done it 30 min at a time, just stopping to replace the disk, with regular box store disks and never felt any different. Everyone's different I guess.
Hi Chris, I was curious what the best cut off wheel you reccomend for a milwaukee m18 5" grinder/Cutter? I got quite confused over all the different types. Im not looking for a cutting/grinding duo....Im mainly going to be cutting hardened steel and stainless, grade 8 bolts as well. Thank you for your help!
Just noticed the white marker pen disappears off the metal when using regular discs compared to the first disc which means less heat in the metal with first disc = less stress to the metal
Impressive, thank you, I will get some of those. Who would you recommend for a metal cutting disc
After you use the Vitrograin to grind down the metal - What do you use with the Angle Grinder to Deburr the sharp edges of the metal?
Try out a Cubitron. They can be used just like any other grinding wheel, last a long time, and eat faster than the cheapos I used to use. I've never given thought to the vibration, but thinking back I think they're smoother running than the cheapos.
Can these be use to cut my trailer hitch pin that has a frozen lock on it?
That was great as normally a soft disk would wear away really fast
If you're continually grinding, for instance in a foundry, then fair enough but most guys use a grinder for a minute or two at a time. Most decent manufacturers have an equivalent ceramic abrasive wheel - Tyrolit Cerabond, 3M Cubitron, Norton SG so Pferd are not unique.
What does 115 sgp steel mean? And why does the threaded disc say 115 and the non threaded disc say 125?
Sadly, I felt the same with grinding discs, I used to use them to grind edge bevels into mild steel sword and axe blanks for props- after about a week, I instead resorted to 40 grit flap discs, which cut down the vibration, but don't eat away as fast and have a much, much shorter lifespan. Glad to see there's a good alternative, one 8 dollar disc could outlast both of those things and spare my hands, I'd like to see how this compares to a 40 grit metal grinding flap disc.
Great video. Looks like a great product. Mahalo for sharing! 🙂🐒
While they are obviously useless at getting into any kind of corner, these disc's certainly kick ass at surface removal. You should do a disc roundup video showing all the typical angle grinder processes & Ur recommended abrasive/cutter disc for each (mill scale removal, surface polishing, cutting...). U probably have most of the video already, just need to splice & narrate. Thx
I like the PFERD 61215 they last even longer than the grey. I was able to pick up my last 10 pack on sale for $65, they are usually $95. Now they just need them in x-lock.
Your advertising for something that is not available, Good job
I'm a professional.
Not a hobby horse.
I FULLY ENDORCE
PFERD PRODUCTS. (UN-PAID)
Don't pay much mind to the harping and wise ass coments.
My maintainence turnaround time has to be fast. I often grind (removals) others would put in a milling machine. Including form fitting the repair. Some of it is so aggressive I frequently re-grease the bevel gears in my side grinders.
I haven't used a PFRED product yet that didn't do everything it's suposed to do. I'll be trying these next.
I am living in India how can I purchase it . please suggest. I need 400 pieces everymonth for my workshop.
I work on a Dairy farm. And I use a lot of cutting disks, Do they have them too?
Get the Pferd catalog 6 from the link above in the description.
Makita 1mm discs outperform them and cost 0.50c each
Looks like Amazon has them individually for cheaper which im not ready to buy 10 at a time but i may order 1 or 2 also i almost never use the regular grinding disk i generally use the flap disk
Where do I get them
Do they make this for the makita x lock grinder??
Amazon says the discs are not available and they do not known when or if they will be. Any other source?
I just updated the link!
I'm new at this, but wouldn't it have been faster to use either a hacksaw, recip saw with metal cutting blade, or a miter saw with a metal cutting blade to cut the round bar (and perhaps finish it off with grinding the edge smooth)?
Yes, absolutely, best option if applicable.
However that wasn't the point of the test.
The test was removal rate, round bar conveys that pretty easily.
Realistically you would never do this if you had other cutting options (cutoff disk, bandsaw, or hacksaw.)
It's called a "demonstration".
It's called a "demonstration".
It's called a "demonstration".
It's called a "demonstration".
Sounds like it doesn't really bog down the grinder as much how well does it do on mill scale removal I find that standard wheels they either glaze over or clog up
PFERD (Preferred or P-ferred) is a great company. I use them at work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week. We no longer use grinding discs, but grinding pads. They're much better than the ones you're using. We use 40 grit on 42" diameter by 80' joints of pipeline pipe that we manufacture. I have permanent numbness from the palm of my left hand to the tips of my fingers. OSHA is a joke.
Where they grind on the flat. Do they grind axes well? I usually use a stone disc then go to flappy
If you have not try it yet, try 3M cubitrron or Walter Excavater
That 3M is no joke. I’m going to order some of these and give em a try though.
Dry impressive… Never knew!
Anyone know if these are the same as the CC-Grind by Pferd?
That normal disk look like will outlast 5 of your victograins.
It won’t
I really liked these, however they do cost slightly more for it to wear out pretty quick. When they're new they're the best thing in existence.. for maybe 20 or 30 minutes grind time.
Try fiber discs for flat surfaces here in eastern europe i usualy buy klingspor products its little bit expensice but for the price you get max cut
Can you do a review about the pferd combiclick system it seems super practical with the quick change and the types of abrasives that come in the kit could cover many different tasks
Impressive
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