Who Would The ACC Replace FSU & Clemson With? Slept-On Football Teams, Transfer Portal Chaos Soon
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- Sooner or later, Florida State will find a way out of the ACC. Clemson and others could also end up leaving the conference at some point. Would the ACC look to bring new members in to replace them? If so, who? Would schools like Oregon State, Washington State, Tulane, Memphis, UConn and UCF make sense as ACC targets in the future? New members Cal and Stanford would probably like to see teams like Wazzu and OSU join them in order to create a western division.
Hosts Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs discuss a recent article on AllCardinal.com by Kevin Borba about why schools like the ones listed above would make sense. Donno and Gibbs also break down a list of “ACC Games Of The Week” for each regular season week in 2024. Does Virginia Tech get enough representation on that list? The transfer portal is OPENING today. Who will the ACC lose?
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Oregon State & Washington State would be my first two picks but if thats not possible then South Florida and UConn. In order I think my adds would be Oregon State, Washington State, South Florida, UConn, Boise State, Memphis, Air Force, Navy*/Georgetown, Army*/St. John’s, Rice, Tulane, UNLV and Temple. Do this right and you’ll have a 20-team ACC divided into 4 pods of 5 teams each. Each pod plays one of the other pods each season for 9 conference games annually with the top two ranked league teams or top two league teams with the best records play for the championship. Also, Notre Dame plays one pod per season (plus BC, Stanford, Army & Navy added on a rotating basis for a total of 6 annual ACC games). A competitive league with sustainable regional play and certainly could still be worth the current ACC revenue contract or better.
And it's obvious you are a BASKETBALL fan. THE REASON the ACC....aka Carolina Basketball Conference is soon to become The Former Big East Basketball Conference. Because the thumbed their nose at what sport is MOST interesting to the populace....that most viewership for broadcast companies to SELL airtime to ADVERTI$ER$!!
EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Pitt, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, Memphis, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State. The only college sports that NYC cares about is UConn-Syracuse basketball.
Once fsu & Clemson leave the Acc is done
You don't understand tobacco road
The same thing was said about the Big12, and that didn't age well. Did it?
That is what all the idiots say.
FSU and Clemson are just trying to get more attention from the media, if they really wanted to leave they would have already done it!
The ACC is far more than FSU and Clemson, if they want to leave then they need to stop talking about it and do it!
If the ACC does fall apart I could see GT, UVA, Duke and UNC to the big 10. FSU and Clemson to the SEC, and Miami, VT, Pitt, and NC State to the Big 12.
Remaining ACC should add UConn, USF.. Memphis and Tulane... It will work for those AAC..and Washington st, and Oregon st if they don't merge with mountain west..
I don't why the ACC doesn't focus on the West Wing. With The Pac 2, San Diego State, Boise State, Colorado State, UNLV.
First it was denial, now we’re onto bargaining. Turns out the GOR may not be as ironclad as we thought!
The ACC should have snatched up UCF.
Agreed
It still can if it wants it.
Keep it regional with UConn and South Florida. Makes more sense marketwise and travel costs.
As an outsider, i recommend Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego St to comeplete a west wing. USF for a Florida presence.... And 1-2 of Tulane, UConn, Memphis
Definitely Memphis.
Kenton is funny, he knows NCST is screwed
Not an ACC fan.... But NCState is Big12 bound or as a Wolfpack Backpack to wherever UNC goes.....
NCState isn't screwed. Screwed has BC, WF, Syracuse written all over it. Plus the new additions.
@@xmositoxc147Football wise, NC state would be the equivalent of North Dakota if it were not for them upsetting FSU over their down years.
SEC guy here and IM intrigued by NC STATE. Good program in a growing city, in a growing state, that the SEC doesn't have a presence.
@@James-cf2lx I’m SEC as well. I would t have any issue with NC State coming to the SEC if and when the time come.
@@James-cf2lx SEC first option is UNC and NC State would work if they can't get UNC.
One team always overlooked despite performance, TV ratings and attendance is Boise State. That said, as far as replacements are concerned, this really depends on who actually leaves? The most likely scenario is 4 schools: 1: Clemson. 2: FSU. 3: Miami. 4: UNC. If this happens then the logical replacements are Tulane and USF ( Adding the Bulls so the ACC Network remains on a basic tier in Florida, and for Florida recruiting). Second is only Clemson & FSU. Then the ACC can stand pat.
The ACC - American Coasts Conference
Pacific Coast pod - Stanford, Cal, add Air Force, SDSU, UNLV
Gulf Coast pod - GT, SMU add Tulane, USF, Rice
Mid-Atlantic Coast pod - Duke, WF, VT, L'ville, add Navy
North Atlantic Coast pod - Pitt, Syracuse, BC, add Army, UConn
Need to merge with B12 and renegotiate your contract with B12 help and add a few key members…but still depends on ESPN…then Notre Dame and North Carolina’s action ! Then you can plot out a plan…with no new money!
Big 12 won't take all of the ACC. Probably be a couple of schools at most.
Where does all the badmouthing of ACC come from? There are 20 teams in the conference. Every year is different. Will FSU leaving matter? Not for the fans of the other teams. I am a Syracuse alum and couldn’t care less if FSU leaves or Clemson or whatever.
That is a great perspective all other ACC fans should have. Just let FSU and Clemson go for the exit fee and don’t bother fighting for the media rights in court. Just give them back.
I agree. It costs them no money since the ACC contract is signed so why try to keep them if they don't want to be in your conference?
@@Doc_Boots It is a BILLION $$$ form 2 teams. A BILLION $$$. Syracuse doesn't want $75 Million. FINE. We will take your share then.
You don't want what you are OWED for FSU trying to F you in the A? Fine. You lay down and take it. The rest of us aren't going to be their B. We want them to PAY what the OWE.
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x my guess is that welfare check is going to end up a bit thin when it is all said and done. Time will tell.
Are you kidding me? This conference has been run into the ground. I don't know if by corruption, incompetence or both?
I would argue at one time this was the number 2 football conference. Now, by its own admission, it is a tier 2 conference.
Within the past year:
1: Not fighting for it conference champion to enter the CFP. Not a word of indignation.
2: Signing a 20-year media contract. Meanwhile, giving the right to exit to the broadcaster before the contract ends.
3: Trying to extort $700 million from two schools who can't compete against their in state rivals. It was reported in 2028. UF will receive between $80 to $100 million from the SEC. Meanwhile, FSU, at best, will receive $40 million.
Let us not mention: 1: The race to the courthouse. 2: Holding "meetings" in which no minutes have been published. 3: Obstruction of the NC Judge order for the media contract un redacted. All fairness: I'm blaming the judge.
You wonder where the bad mouthing comes from?😂😂😂
Just no clue...
a) The ACC has already preemptively replaced ~3 to 4 members.
b) CAL/STANFORD work as a paired spot geo outlier and otherwise fit brand. Other western schools don't work from my perspective.
Don’t mention wvu because we’re loyal to the big12!!
Priority #1 is to add teams on the West Coast to reduce cross-country travel costs for ALL ACC schools. In this regard WSU and OSU make the most sense. Hard NO on adding any more schools after those two!!!!
I agree, but I will get the MWC schools first: SDSU and Air Force first, then make the PAC 2 pay in to get added to the ACC.
That would increase travel.
Check your facts. Washington St avg 1.3 million a game. Mote than most ACC teams including NC State.
Clemson, FSU, Miami, Louisville, Stanford, WASHINGTON STATE......below that....everybody else in the Carolina Basketball Conference. I feel bad for VA Tech....they really NEED Brent Pry to turn that program back on track ASAP!! If he can do it this year and continue on...VA Tech will be in the B1G most likely, or possibly SEC. They have the best options after Miami/Louisville/UNC....or at least on that level. FSU and Clemson? Wave bye-byes to them!!!
Yes, WSUs television market is the entire state of Washington, including Seattle. People watch the Cougs.
A UConn add would probably be for all non- basketball sports. They are locked into the Big East, and it has worked out pretty well for them, hasn’t it?
The ACC can still be a good conference no matter who leaves and who is left. They can add teams as needed and be clearly the forth best conference out of nine. But it is going to hurt to loose FSU and Clemson which means ESPN will give notice before Feb ‘25 to cancel the deal through ’36 and renegotiate any new deal for about 50% of the current one minus any ACC network.
The ACC is fighting this all the way to preserve the conference. For those who say just let FSU and Clemson go for the exit fee of $120M, realize the actual money exchanged has been 60% or $72M. That means for teams accepted to the SEC or B1G they are going in a heartbeat! That also means most remaining ACC teams would ask the B12 for an invite as well.
Why would anyone move to the big 12 if they have to pay four years of revenue for roughly the same money. There are about a dozen other reasons such a move makes no mathematical or institutional sense. Think it through even a little.
CAL and Stanford were added because Notre Dame IS in the ACC with the exception of football. Notre Dame wanted them in the ACC. Notre Dame gets to keep their rivalry with Stanford and beat up on the others in football every year.
No. They were added because it gives the ACC a foothold in CALIFORNIA (and SMU brings TEXAS) when it comes to PAYOUTS due to the ACC Network thanks to the COMCAST Deal.
It is about $3 per every subscriber to the ACC Network that lives in those States. And the COMCAST Deal BUNDLES the ACCN with the SECN and B1GN.
MEANING... every single ACC, SEC and B1G fan in Texas and California will pay the ACC $3. THAT is EVERY Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, SMU, Nebraska, fan in Texas and every Oregon. Washington, USC, UCLA, CAL and Stanford in California asy the ACC $3. That is ALSO every Michigan, Ohio St, Tennessee, Alabama etc etc fan in Texas and California will pay the ACC $3. That ADDS UP to SEVERAL MILLIONS per year.
FSU and Clemson are irreplaceable. The remaining teams should just play basketball.
Real ACC fans aren't that interested in football. The ACC was built on basketball. Tobacco road is about basketball.
@@jimrobinson1140basketball isn’t the one that brings in the money lol
@@jimrobinson1140but yet the Tar Heels are looking for a way out too. 😂
You really believe everything you hear. Carolina could have left anytime
@@jimrobinson1140 when big 10 sends you an invite better take it and run. Football makes more money than basketball.
I have three candidates: Louisville (ACC championship runner up), Miami and NC State. The ACC could also add Notre Dame for these reasons: 1) USC is now in the Big 10 and would block them from joining and 2) they're starting to feel the squeeze of being independent at 10% payout versus 17% of the ACC with that new 2026 playoff contract.
Norte Dame will join the B1G!!! The B1G and SEC are gonna squeeze them to join a conference!!
@@JoeyAugustine Notre Dame will not. SEC and B1G cannot do that. Just because you HATE doesn;t mean you know things.
The ACC will become the best lacrosse conference in the US.
It already is that.
and nobody will care or watch on TV.....
Keep an eye on Texas state
After 5 to 7 teams leave the ACC, the best thing for the ACC to do is reload. Add Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Memphis, Tulane, South Florida and U Conn. That would be a the 4th best conference below the top two and very competitive with the big 12.
NO. ACC will raid the Big 12 and be a close #3 and force the Big 12 to add the DRECK you are talking about.
ACC is not competitive with the Big 12 currently. Your final statement was absolutely ridiculous. Half your conference does not care about football and gets more fans at hockey games. The other half has two football programs, and the rest are basketball schools. You guys are so arrogant and blew an awesome opportunity when ACC raided big east leaving out wvu and tcu, opting for taking Syracuse and Boston college and not looking west until a desperate attempt to save yourselves. Your arrogant attitude has a lot of big 12 not wanting what's left over. You played yourselves.
Would you pluck anyone out of the Mac or the Sun Belt
@@Joe-sm9qj Yeah? But those schools you think aren't competitive are LOCATED where the $$$ comes from. Are you STILL so dumb you think going 8-4 and getting to pound your chest about a Top 20 Ranking for a few weeks and a Bowl Game MAKES MONEY for TV? That isn't how the $$$ works. You should have learned that more than 10 years ago.
Utah, WVU and OK St are better at Football than Syracuse, BC & CAL... but being in New York Massachusetts and California is worth more $$$ than being in West Virginia Utah and Oklahoma. THAT IS JUST A FACT.
And with that extra $$$ the ACC will BUY the best FOOTBALL TEAMS from the Big 12 and STILL have all of the Best Markets too.
Or you can stay behind and we can take EVERYBODY worth anything and leave you there with the DRECK. You can say NO. But your SCHOOL will not. Not when the CASH is out on the Table.
@@jeremywilson3684 LMAO NO. The American might after the Big 12 raids them for backfill. WHO in the MAC or SUNBELT should even IMAGINE they could get above the G5 level?
The problem with your believing this would not be the end of the ACC is that all that's keeping schools from bolting, and bolting to higher paying conferences that is, now is the grant of rights. Once FSU and Clemson show the grant of rights can be broken, a flood gate will be opened so that more than just FSU and Clemson will bolt. All who the SEC and Big 10 are interested in, will leave, probably leaving only half the schools currently in the conference, or worse, left. And not only that, that frees ESPN from having to respect their end of the deal and paying what the contract specifies to the remaining schools. So the remaining schools will be without funding from ESPN and so will go anywhere, if not accepted into the SEC or Big 10, where they will have a media deal in effect.
I think the ACC should go after the Service Academies. AF, Navy, & Army definitely have good market share.
I agree, unite all the service academies in one conference in all sports.
Memphis, UTSA, and Tulane are the last good programs to pick up from the AAC. The ACC can get full Texas cover with SMU/UTSA but Tulane and Memphis gets you into two different states. USF is just a lazy pick with no true research of their worth.
I've seen UConn mentioned dozens of times, but never a reason why. UConn BEGGED you all to join when you were still a power conference. You're not going to be after you get picked apart, why would they help you now?
UConn left a G5* and put their football team in limbo to get into the best non-FBS football conference in the country, because it's the right place for their basketball team. Going to a conference with the worst scraps of the ACC, very likely no TV deal and giving up the rivalries they just spent years reestablishing makes no sense for them.
I suspect AFTER the FOOTBALL schools of FSU, Clemson and possibly Miami are gone...The Carolina Basketball Conference and its members from The Former Big East Basketball Conference will be sucking up to UConn. Which may find it more appealing to join now. But maybe not? Either way.....ALL these BASKETBALL centric schools will finally learn their lesson...THAT FOOTBALL is what brings in the $$$$....but basketball is a much cheaper sport to operate. For the top winning brands like UConn...I suppose they can make a profit from it. Most do NOT!! They rely on the payout disbursement from the NCCA Tournament. WHEN that "tournament" is no longer around...or downgraded to just the BASKETBALL centric members (FOOTBALL power "conferences"/"LEAGUES" no longer participating in the NCAA....it will be as relevant and viewed as little as the NIT is today. MOST people, sports fans and general populace don't even know there is such a thing as the NIT!!
The ACC picked SMU over UCONN.
UCONN may have a choice between the Tier 2 BIG12 and future Tier 2 ACC,
@@josephcernansky1794uconn is not a profitable athletics department but few are. All of them are big time football schools though.
BC, WF, Syracuse, smu, GT, CAL & Stanford. What a dumpster
I hope Miami bolts for the big12 with Louisville, VT & Pitt or NCST
What do you really think the XII offers those teams AND what do they offer the XII? I really don't see much based on the XII being way behind the P2 whether the ACC exist or not. I think 3 mid level conferences, PAC, XII, ACC. For those 3, regionalism is going to be the operative word. and those 5 in a mid western conference just does not fit.
Nobody wants to to go the Big 12! Are you a Kansas fan or something? Who's your team?
@@wlthomas8 If a school wants to survive and have a home where they can be secure......better take what you can get. Or end up homeless
@@earnestpeeplesjr8948 no need to find a home. Other than travel, even a "revamped" version of the ACC (without FSU and Clemson) would be better than the Big 12. Just stay in the ACC
@@wlthomas8 LOL
Memphis and Louisville in the same conference again needs to happen.
Memphis and Wichita!
Nobody wants to join a dying conference with no future
Everybody wants to be in the P2 but only a few will be.
Teams were dying to jump into the B12 ... and they are a dying conference....
There is only the P2, a minor league B12, and slightly weaker ACC and the G5.
Thr B12 $$$ will be closer to the ACC than the B10.
In this aspect the B12 is delusional. They think raiding the ACC helps them.
@@xmositoxc147 we don't need to "raid", we can be choosey. Sorry Syracuse, bc and wake forest. The rest of you have an attitude of the pac 10. Be grateful the big 12 takes you. Otherwise enjoy playing Temple and ECU and going 8-5 on the season.
After reading these arrogant acc comments, I hope the big 12 takes or state and wash state. Forget those ACC teams. They can play Memphis and tulane and cry nobody pays any more attempts to them. You all should be excited about joining the big 12, instead like split children you want what you simply cannot and will not get.
I was just noticing all the arrogance from people such as yourself, who want to see the ACC fail. That is not going to happen, so move along.
Washington or Oregon??
Adding west coast teams was the last straw in that ACC coffin
you have to have successful not currently be successful to be relevant, I don’t think anyone is confused about that. It’s called already seen “potential”. and success brings “eyeballs” look at Clemson. even without last year FSU would be valued the same. last 20 to 25 years. Not talking Nebraska or Army.
I would love to see Memphis move up, but I don't see the ACC still existing post FSU/Clemson exit. I think Louisville and a few others will jump soon after FSU/Clemson exit. ACC will go the way of the PAC.
Who brings eyeballs *IS* a meritocracy, Kenton.
Why do they bring eyeballs? Because they've dominated the conference and won more national titles since joining the conference than the rest of the members combined.
UConn has the #30 TV market, plus 10%-20% of the NYC TV market.
No. No one is watching uconn football in NYC. That's what matters.
Now if fsu and Clemson leave expect others to leave like unc and uva. Now if uva and fsu go to the big 10 and Clemson and unc go to sec, what’s stopping the big 12 saying hey you’re not getting enough tv deal nc state Louisville Miami VT come to the big 12 and save your football programs instead of dying with the ACC. Also if fsu and Clemson do leave espn has the right to cancel the tv contract at any time.
The big 10 and the sec aren't going to take any teams from the ACC. They already have 20 teams
@@jimrobinson1140 wrong, big 10 is at 18 and sec is at 16 don’t think they won’t take more national brands to strengthen the conference, the ACC is about to die off
No arrogant acc fan wants to be in the big 12. It's below them. Let them play temple and tulane in their new league. Big 12 take Pitt, maybe, because PA has good football talent and WVU / Pitt gets money generating rivalry. Without Clemson and fl state, I don't want any otyer ACC team, and they don't want big 12. Take wash st. Ore state and Pitt.
@@Joe-sm9qj lol the big 12 is above the acc right now and they would go because they’ll make more money in the big 12 than the ACC btw it’s not the AAC jack wagon, acc isn’t anything special and it’s constantly one of if not the worst football league among the old power 5 conferences
USF, Memphis, Tulane, UConn ong acc is done
Why not just combine all conference schools into one giant super conference that could negotiate the best deals with ESPN etc? They could call it something like "the National Colllegiate Athletics Association". Then they could split that super conference down into several smaller sub-conferences according to geographical area, u know to create local rivalries and make playing against each other more efficient....
oh wait.
cause that would make too much sense...plus, the BIG and SEC would hate that idea because that would take away their financial advantages
Notre Dame, Washington State
Washington State was one of the highest in the pac for tv numbers
Say what, that the ACC is done if FSU and Clemson leave? Look, Clemson has done very well the last 7 or 8 years and FSU has had a 2 year resurgence but that don't make them bell cows. As a matter of fact the one team that can thank the transfer portal is The portal King Mike Norvell. I would hate to see where FSU would be today without it, probably 5-7 to 7-5 at best. Got to tip your hat to them because they use it best. Clemson doesn't use so they are starting to slide back to the rest of the pack. Had Dabo used the portal like Fsu they would still be a Playa for some more ship.
The Acc is and average conference to begin with and they just added 3 more average teams.
ACC will be the new mac when it's all over...
Why? If the ACC depletes out that much to the SEC/B1G, WVU and the BIG12 would then be irrelevant.
UAB is good at basketball and great facilities. I’m biased.
Once FSU and Clemson leave, NCSU, UNC, Miami are gone. As much as it kills me to say it, Tobacco Road basketball will be done. UNC will bolt for the Big10, NCSU to SEC, and Miami to Big12. There is no chance the Big10 and SEC don’t jump in and grab the 2 biggest programs in NC.
Debbie Yow "fannies in the seats", Kenton Gibbs "eyeballs on the screen", Mark Packer "nothing gets done until something gets sold". FSU might not do so well in the SEC, with all of the new players coming into the ACC, they might not do so good if they stick around. Same for Clemson. The SEC is bloated and oversize and the ACC is too big as well, I see two conferences that need to be three.
They added smu, and calford. Anyone who thinks that will change the conference power dynamics much doesn't really know ball.
What team not desperate would want into a corrupt conference with an unbelievably stupid GOR? Oh I know Cal,Stanford and SMU.
Adding UConn would be such an ACC move
I don't think UConn would leave for anything except the B12
@@cgtonic3637 Thank you!!! I have no idea why people keep bringing up UConn for a post implosion ACC. They left the American (which is what the ACC would be without its 4/5 best brands) and put their football team into nowhere land to have the basketball team in a good basketball conference. Why would they leave that for a conference that will have nothing to offer. They're not going to keep that ESPN contract once all these schools bail.
@@RogerBates7 The only way I would consider the ACC is if they also merged with the BE for non-football sports
When working with the same resources as Syracuse, Boston College, and Pitt, UConn did very well.
@@Alan-lv9rw Exactly UConn could be a consistent bowl team with the right resources and already brings massive basketball success and fans
ACC needs to add Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Fresno State and possibly Boise State. Then group them with Cal, Stanford and SMU to make the Pacific Division of the ACC. The remaining ACC schools will be the ACC Atlantic Division. The Pacific champ plays the Atlantic champ for the conference championship... Of course this is only my opinion
for football that could work, even though youd still have some cross country games..but in other sports, it could be an issue
You will all care deeply when fsu/ Clemson leave. You will miss the $.
What money when they pay those GOR there will be plenty of money 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They will know about su by the end of the year
Espn will back out of the acc deal for 2027. Who will pick up the acc deal if fsu and clemson leave...
Why? The conference below got ~$30M per:
WVU (small state low prestige flag)
CINCY (G5)
UCF (G5)
BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent)
HOUSTON (G5)
IOWAST (low population state #2)
KSTATE (low population state #2)
OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports)
KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball)
TCU (G5 equivalent)
BAYLOR (G5 equivalent)
TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
UConn will not leave the Big East for this conference. It’s not the ACC as we knew it. It’s just a leftovers conference.
Calling it now the Big12 will land Miami
Guaranteed NO
Mario is so feared that he's a 1.5 pt favorite over Billy on Aug 31. 🤣
Tulane
The ACC-PAC!!!
😂😂😂😂acc😂😂😂😂😂please, there is more underhanded activity in this conference than the pac12!
as a B12 fan, its been sad to watch what the TV providers have done to the B12, PAC and now ACC all in the name of uplifting 2 conferences
The ACC accepted relegation to being a Tier 2 College Sports league when it signed the crappy contract with ESPN. It wasn’t apparent in the initial years of the current deal but the audience has just not shown up and the league ratings just don’t get it done. FSU and Clemson have tried to show this to the ACC but many members are either happy with the status quo or are just clueless. Bye bye ACC…. go Noles.
Nonsense.... The media deal was praised at the time.
Remember, that FSU sacrificed its football fora period of time to try and catch FLORIDA in overall sports and supported all of the failed expansions with former BIGEAST schools.
63-3 good luck!
We don’t need it bye bye😂😂😂😂😂Acc
I mean, clearly acc fans don't even understand the sport talking about 63-3. It's no wonder they don't watch it and that's the reason the conference is dying.
Quick take:
0 of 10 fsu draft picks, 0-12 projected to be in the nfl played in the orange bowl.
6 of 8 uga draft picks played.
In the next two years that distortion will only grow as fsu's future draft picks also will not have played and many more of ugas did.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 you are delusional 2024 10 players drafted what are you talking about only one team had more players drafted and that’s Michigan smh but what ever helps sleep at night
@@TallyHo850 I think you misunderstood my post. You repeated something I put in there and seemingly missed the entire point. I can't exactly tell which part you misunderstood but we aren't saying something different.
Shit su was not even mentioned as not getting a game of the week.
Any team that stops being a bunch of quitting whiners would be an improvement. FSU will be about 4th in the ACC this season and probably 12th in the SEC, if they even show up for any competitive games. Squaws are on a freefall. Looking at replacements, who has the deepest NIL pockets, to add strength to the division. Imagine the excuses FSU will start making to drop Miami, after we start spanking them annually. A non conference annual loss joining the 63-3's the SEC will give them.
FSU hasn't made any excuses to drop SCUM so why should we do so now? So when is this spanking going to start? when is the last time you won a national championship or won the ACC championship? Stick around in the ACC because that's where you belong and maybe you'll win a championship someday Once Clemson and FSU leave
The ACC has always been a basketball conference. They will survive. FSU and Clemson didn't build the ACC. I hope they leave sooner the better. Pay that Grant of rights and leave
So, you’re arguing for a “scrap league”? If you get what you’re asking for that’s exactly what the ACC would be considered. Also, if that happens the ACC would only get one team in the playoffs, while the SEC, and Big Ten would get three teams in. I can’t believe that’s what Miami is hoping for.
The BIG12 is already a "scrap league". The ACC will lose at least its top ~4, so what to do?
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The ACC blew it!! They could have offered FSU and Clemson the same sweetheart deal they gave to ND!! Jim Phillips didn’t go to Clemson or FSU!!
Nonsense. The ACC made the deal with ND to get a part of a big football brand. The ACC doesn't want FSU/CLEMSON's (or ND's) non-football. The ACC already has FSY/CLEMSON, so they 100% leave or stay.
Miami is the only ACC team left that has a prayer for winning a national championship after Clemson and FSU leave… and even that is laughable considering their history since joining the ACC. Just fold and play a better hand somewhere else.
There’s no real good way to break this up:
1. Boston College
2. Syracuse
3. UConn
4. Pitt
5. Miami
6. South Florida
1. Virginia
2. Virginia Tech
3. North Carolina
4. NC State
5. Wake Forest
6. Duke
1. Cal
2. Stanford
3. Washington State OR SD St
4. Oregon State
5. SMU
6. Tulane OR Memphis
UNC is near certain to leave.
Miami and unc staying in that stain is gross. The bb will eventually fade too.
Not many brands bigger than UNC and Duke
This guy has no idea what he is talking about WSU has excellent viewership, more than many ACC teams , OSU has many more as well than other ACC teams.
2014, 2015, 2016 fsu seasons, review them more closely.
Okay, let’s review them for you:
Around 2013, Jimbo Fisher makes little to no effort to ensure that the players he is recruiting are good for the locker room and for the APR (Academic Progress Rate). He fails to consistently recruit OL quality/numbers, QB character and the games that had been automatic wins begin to become hard-fought battles. Culture erodes, teamwork disappears, losses begin to mount. Players and coaches become frustrated that winning is no longer as easy as it once was. At the end, when he realizes that he has run the program into the ground by allowing all of this to happen, he also realizes that his marriage has failed and that the new FSU Administration is unwilling to prioritize the cost of requisite facilities and staffing needs a National Championship-contending football program.
Beyond those three years, Stan Wilcox, the new basketball-minded AD from Tobacco Road who is hell-bent on making a racially-motivated hire to replace Jimbo brings in his guy who has no clue how to fix the problems that have mounted over the previous four years and proceeds to make culture MUCH worse. Recruiting suffers horribly. Wilcox also convinces Eric Barron, the new university president, that he should sign an extension to the Grant of Rights and put the university on the hook to ESPN until 2036. The president, who doesn’t know anything about athletics and takes the AD's word for everything, signs the GoR and FSU is screwed like football bat. AD then bolts for an NCAA job in compliance and goes after FSU for a coach facilitating an NIL meeting (which, under current NCAA rules, is 100% legal today).
So here we are today:
-New(ish) AD is the best hire the university has ever made (aside from Bobby Bowden and Mike Norvell, of course)
-New(ish) head coach is one of the best in the business
-Football team is back to its winning ways
-President and AD are in lockstep, doing what is necessary to make sure that the university and it’s athletic programs are able to compete at the highest levels.
I smell B1G things coming soon.
@@mod4v I did mean to review those seasons in light of the comment in the video, which, I will paraphrase a bit here, was something like FSU hasn't had success in more than 15 years (or something like that, which actually takes them to a period where they weren't super successful skipping over the last successful period).
ACC is done, no matter what happens. They will never get all the schools to sign a dumb deal like this again.
I doubt the acc is done, but it was already done as a true power conference before the lawsuits even started. There are only two of those now.
They would love to keep this deal with 2-4 teams leaving though.
The ACC is finished
Putting so much into basketball in a football world was shortsighted. This conference is toast.
I have or can see Va Tech, UVA, NCST, UNC, Clemson, FSU, & Miami leaving the ACC. But because the ACC will have more valuable teams remaining and be able to maintain Autonomy status and ACC has media coverage the PAC does not. Also Boise State and Fresno State are inferior. What will happen if 6 or more schools leave the ACC, the ACC will add the three service academies for all sports, add WazzU, OzzU, San Diego State, and Wyoming out West and back East add Memphis, Texas State, Tulane, USF, CCU, App State, & JMU. Resulting in
ACC East Division
1. BC
2. Syracuse
3. Pitt
4. Army
5. Navy
6. JMU
7. App State
8. Duke
9. Wake Forest
10. Coastal Carolina
11. Georgia Tech
12. USF
ACC West Division
1. Louisville
2. Memphis
3. Tulane
4. Texas State
5. SMU
6. Air Force
7. Wyoming
8. San Diego State
9. Stanford
10. Cal
11. OzzU
12. WazzU
Now could the ACC West Division break off and become the PAC years down the road? It is possible. If that happens, then certain schools in AAC and SBC and CUSA and MAC who would make more sense to add if not for the need to address the issue with Stanford and Cal and SMU would be added eventually for a more regional ACC. And could see four teams of the West Division move over to the East as part of the new ACC.
The ACC West Division breaks off and becomes the recreation of the PAC, then it could focus on AAC, CUSA, and MWC schools that would meet the recreated academic standards and requirements that Stanford and Cal and five others would definitely need and require to be included in a conference with them. That means schools like Fresno State and Boise State will not be included. In fact the best way and only way the PAC gets rebuilt is this way realistically.
So in this scenario I would think Louisville, Memphis, Tulane, and SMU would depart from ACC West division and join the East division to make up the new ACC. The remaining ACC West division schools coalesce to form the new PAC and include in the new PAC the following schools:
PAC Mountain
1. Wyoming
2. Colorado State
3. Air Force
4. UNT
5. Texas State
6. UTEP
7. New Mexico
8. New Mexico State
9. Utah State
PAC Pacific
1. WazzU
2. OzzU
3. Cal
4. Stanford
5. U.C. Davis
6. San Diego State
7. Hawaii
8. Nevada
9. UNLV
From this chaos comes the new AAC which will literally be the best of the rest best of the Non Autonomy teams almost and will look like the following.
AAC Atlantic/Central
1. Temple
2. Miami-Ohio
3. Buffalo
4. Toledo
5. Liberty
6. Marshall
7. ODU
8. Georgia Southern
9. Georgia State
10. East Carolina
11. FAU
12. FIU
AAC Gulf/Pacific
1. Troy
2. South Alabama
3. Southern Miss
4. La Tech
5. Sam Houston State
6. UTSA
7. Rice
8. Tulsa
9. UAB
10. Boise State
11. San Jose State
12. Fresno State
Heck while I am at it, here is the new MAC and notice the SBC, CUSA, and MWC no longer exist in this scenario as I lay this out. So the new MAC and will just number them and not create divisions as there are about three different ways one could create divisions.
New MAC
1. UMASS
2. New Hampshire
3. Vermont
4. Delaware
5. Ohio
6. Akron
7. Kent
8. Ball State
9. SIU
10. NIU
11. EMU
12. WMU
13. CMU
14. WKU
15. MTSU
16. Missouri State
17. Ark State
18. Charlotte
19. Kennesaw State
20. Jax State
21. ULL
22. ULM
23. ACU
24. SFA
Calling it now if the FSU & Clemson leave the ACC for the Big12, will the Big12 get 29% of CFP payouts just like the Big10 & SEC.
WTF? FSU isn’t racking up millions of dollars in legal expenses to join the Big12.
More like 1 each for the new PAC, XII and ACC. Once all the pieces move and big media does not need the XII to be a harbor for the 4 corner schools as they return to the PAC, all those "teeth" you guys think Yourmark and the XII has will prove to be false teeth that ESPN has taken out. In the end it would not surprise me if the media did not move WVU, UCF and maybe Cincy to the ACC. Big media has a plan.
No!
No
Lmao. They're not buying their way out of the GoR to go to the Big 12 🤣😂
Why do people believe football is the in all to be all.
That's exactly why you're stuck in the ACC
I was born in the ACC. We are fine.
The ACC will transfer into a non-football dominated conference. Led by losers like NC State and Miami. They should add UConn, Oregon State, WASU, Army, Navy, Air Force. All of the other sports are great. Less money but it's basketball. LOCKED ON ACC still sucks.
The acc is already a "non-football dominated conference". That's why they are withering on the vine now.
The ACC will not get a ESPN contract if FSU and Clemson leave. If they get out more top half school's will follow if they find a home. Over 20% of all views came off the back of those 2 schools. If they do renew it will be for less money. Hopefully, the power sports network of the CW will pay out millions more per school 🤣🤣
LinkedIn Billy will be saved bc his contact demands that 50% of his buyout has to be paid within 30 days.
Maybe the ACC should bring in all three academies? That has some merit.