Hindu Itihasa vs Nastik: Debate on the Relevance of God | Ami Ganatra x Kushal Mehra
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
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In episode 151 of PG Radio, we engage in a conversation with Ami Ganatra and Kushal Mehra. We discuss religion, the concept of God, Hinduism's complexity, "Dharma", morality, and the relevance of ancient texts like the Mahabharata and Ramayana.
Ami Ganatra is an author and scholar specializing in Indian epics. She has written "Mahabharata Unravelled" and "Ramayana Unravelled," where she explores the depths of these ancient texts and presents their lessons and stories in a clear and accessible manner.
Kushal Mehra hosts "The Cārvāka Podcast" and is the author of "Nastik: Why I Am Not an Atheist," a book that explores Indian atheism and dharmic skepticism. His podcast and book provide deep insights into philosophy, politics, and culture, making complex ideas accessible to a broad audience.
Shot at: Spades, Mumbai
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Produced by- Ansh Bhatnagar
Host- Prakhar Gupta
This is what we talked about:
00:00 - Kushal’s position on God & Religion
05:30 - Sponsor: Odoo
07:26 - Contd: Kushal’s position on God & Religion
14:30 - Ami’s position on God & Religion
21:09 - What is “Dharma”?
27:48 - Hinduism isn’t a religion?
29:48 - What is “Itihasa”
37:55 - Kushal’s views on Mahabharata and Ramayana
45:48 - Religion is Man-made?
48:51 - Is right and wrong relative according to Mahabharata?
56:30 - “God” is irrelevant
58:24 - How to decide what is right and wrong?
01:09:35 - Evolutionary perspective on Dharma
01:24:15 - What are “Sanskaras”? 
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Bhai hindi me karo
ON GOD... FIRST* YOU SHOULD TALK TO AN ENLIGHTENED PERSON.... ??
BASICS ..
THATS WHO YOU CALL A GURU.. OR BUDDHA & WE GOT A CHANCE WITH ISHA GURU......
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He's Hard work Believer,and Same Expressive as you.
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Man! This is the level and quality of Indian / hindi content that I live for. I remember years ago I used to watch debates on such topics done by foreigners in their context and I used to think only if such depth was present in modern day Indian discussions as well. Happy to see it happening!
It’s always been there. Their voices were systematically silenced over d centuries. Some with laws, some with cancellations or even intimidation, threats, and death. Farwahs were one of those means.
People that searched for answers and whom loved doing their homework however, always sought them out. Some of them survived d onslaught and kept working in silence and did record their works.
Prob is society didn’t protect them. They glamorize paper heroes that have been brainwashing them and eating away at the fabric of their homes and societies. Eventually it’s always comes down to d behavior of d society. If u appreciate real things u will b able to preserve and grow, otherwise society/country deteriorates. Nothing lasts without active and constant maintenance. Especially freedoms.
Atheism os boring.. the western debates aren't fresh .. in Hinduism you can be nastik and a nireshwarvadi ..
@@chandanbanakar333yep i am a proud nirishwar wadi hindu
@@oooo-ui1ml samkhya was nirashwarvaad bit they did sadhana and it accepted the idea of moksha and mukti.
@@superatanu7 nirishwar just meant nirguna aspect of brahman. it had nothing to do with atheism which is a western enlightnemnt product. this kushal fella is deracineted and has an western agenda.
Man Kushal mehra is something else , the way he articulates his logic on such complex topics is commendable.
I'm hooked to this. Damn Ii couldn't look away. Ami Has defined Dharma So beautifully, It personally has given me tremendous clarity over my own life.
She defined it based on the Vedas.
This is what a conversation should look like!! Great video Prakhar bhaiya, keep bringing in such great people!!
my favorite podcast till now J Sai's ANI podcast.... Now this is #1....
I can't believe we all are watching and listening to this, finally these brave souls are telling us, the things we never learned in our school books. the underlying narrative to instill a sense of inferiority complex and self loathing which was drilled in our minds is being undone. We need more much more like this.
Hindu : a term used to encompass 6 schools of philosophy, that gives freedom through adopting the ultimate way of life... no dogmas.
You are the master of your life not a slave to rigid pathways.
So what is special about being a Hindu?
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted.
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You don't want to worship idols- no problem u can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc are core Hindu schools
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition.
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu "(May you all live happily)
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive. That is why it has withstood the test of time, inspite of repeated onslaughts both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything .
That is why it is eternal. There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction.🙏🙏🙏🕉️🕉️🕉️
Thats the beauty of our meme and we must protect it
Don't spread wrong information, Hindusim do not
Accept Atheism
Love your content
Because we are always agnostic ...
We are seeking to try to find out what is the truth..
So we have different paths which we say panth...
So we can evolve ourselves..
But doesn't it become so large an ideology, that everything is inside it. So, you cannot even criticise it. Because there are so many interpretations. It's like a dictionary with words that have no single meaning. Then the concept of dictionary somewhere starts failing.
Kushal and ami are despite coming from different point of views put up such an amazing discussion for us to watch. Truly amazing
I was waiting for it. I'm very excited to watch this.
5:32 Happy to see Prakhar getting Ads to support his channel.💝💝💝💝💝💝
bro he has mercedes.. i think we need ads to support ourselves🤣🤣🤣
This is, so far, one of the best..Keep delivering this type of content, bro.💗
Ami and Kushal...thank you so much for clearing a lot of my long standing doubts.....🙏
Man the intro was only sooo lit🔥🔥.. an astik and nastik sitting together and non of them contradicting in any absurd sense... It's just that both are in sync like opposite ends of a coin...
This can only happen in India...
I guess this is the true essence of Bharat as well..
My family is full of people who follow different ways in sanatan Dharma and we do have these kind of discussions. For sure we dont use these sophisticated theories but we do debate on the existential questions, contexulisation of Dharma etc. I really wish they do it in Hindi language so that i can show this to my parents. It is like our dining table discussions.
You are so right. And I think being born in a Hindu family is beautiful because we all are following our own way of hindusim where basics might be same. My dad is a huge believer in Lord Hanuman. For my mom a specific Ideal doesnt matter she would pray in a general manner. For me I feel the same that IDK there is God or not I believe my hardwork will take me whereever I need to be and some things will always remain beyond my control and I ackowledge my religion privilage in India I love my festivals and believe in traditions even though I might just do it for the sake of my family, and again agreeing with you, this conversation is so damn good that I would love to share this with my family.
Kushal and Ami combination is perfect for such discussions. More of these podcasts
For all wanna be Atheists- read Vedanta, Charwak philosophy (materialism), read Nastik philosophy, read Nasdiya Sukta (Rig Ved) which is totally agnostic, read Adwait (non dual philosophy), Dwait (dualism)... Read your own scriptures before becoming a slave of jokers like Dawkins. Hope you all get the point. ✌️
People are not atheist bcs they read, they do it bcs they want to stand out, they want to feel better than everyone else, mostly a position driven by ego not knowledge
read ashtavakra geeta it sweeps all questions altogether
Abe ghochu aise toh bahut sari kitabe har religion mai hai. Tu padh le Bible ya Quran Christian aur Muslim bhi bolenge ye padh lo pehle fir tumko Para chal jayega. Toh kya tu padega kya word to word line by line. Woh log bhi bolte hai har cheez mai context padho jo ye kushal mehra ka bhi argument hota.
@@varunkhugshal9049not really. Atheists become atheists because at the end of the day, like Kushal said, the god question is meaningless. The existence of a god/ gods/ primordial being makes no difference in people's day to day lives. What makes a difference is how people try to use their gods supposed authority to define moral frameworks that run societies through rituals and traditions. Some frameworks adapt but most don't and end up making people's lives miserable because of rules that make no sense in present day. It puts people off and they become atheists.
@@varunkhugshal9049 Have you ever properly sat down with a atheist and talked to him why he thinks the way he is thinking?
And where you pulling these assumptions from? Very interested in why do you think like this about atheists!
Great collab -
Prakhar's team 🎉
Loved the whole conversation.
We want more like this.
Man, this is what I was looking for at a Bharat level. Prakhar - you truly deserve a subscription 🙌.
Ami ji and Kushal are top notch intellectuals for carrying such a conversation.
I wanted the answer and this podcast gave me the path with more perspective this different povs are very much needed keep up the good work❤❤❤❤❤
Kushal, Abhijit and sham and Smita prakash as well, if they are in the thumbnail, the podcast is a must watch one
This the quality we expect as a viewer, amazing debate💯
I absolutely love that your podcast doesn’t have an intro
What an amazing discussion! This is like one of the best 88mins I have spent in a very long time. Only thing that I felt that there was some structure missing as the conversation progressed as they ended up talking about same points on multiple occasions but it was an eye opener.
I wish this video was published during my college days because that was the time I had the hardest time believing in religion and would have helped me make better decisions and stopped me from doing some rebellious things but it has been helpful nevertheless.
Maza aa gaya Prakhar! truly the debate we deserve...Thank you!
Mind Blowing Guest
one of the cleanest trio podcast seen so far
This needed to a 3 hour discussion at the very least.
Ami ji 🙏 Amazing research, knowledge, clarity and articulation
This is was a very interesting discussion !! do an another episode and dive deep
I have to say prakhar is far superior than dostcast...
Why compare both ..
While we are at it.....I do agree.... Dostcast is very ignorant comparatively
@@Indra6065a true understanding person of sanatan will say why compare both ❤ . exactly bud no need to to compare
Great podcast! good way to learn how to put your arguments
Really good, actually it depends on the guests that you are inviting...
Ami Ganatra is amazing. 🙏🏼
This is the podcast level we should be looking for. Hats off Prakhar. Want to see more debates between different Hindu Dardhans like b/w Sankhya and Advaita.
Happy to see the channel getting ads
Hare Krishn
great as always
this deeper than the deep.. we need more...
Was craving for this sort of video thanks Prakhar bhaii for this ❤❤
Awesome debate.. I am trying to define civilization development not based on material and technological development but based on development of human mind and their aspiration.. I got a lot of inspiration from your discussion.. thank you ❤❤❤
Enjoyed this a lot👍
Full of fresh thoughts for tonight before sleep .
Mind blowing
Awesome!!
MC khopdi mai bhara hua sara kuch kachda lagane laga after listening to the trio....😂
Mind blowing podcast Prakhar bhai keep it up❤😊
Loved it ❤
One of the Best Podcast 😁😁😁
Bhai khatarnaak podcast tha, 90% chize sar ke upar se nikal gyi, will re-watch it a couple of times
Definitely one of your best works
@SingingDworld7it is neither his problem not your problem
Senseless nahin lekin han uski philosophy thodi alag hai
Ek bar Acharya Prashant ka podcast Sun Lo tab to dimag ghoom jaega
well agree with you, those two guest having completely opposite mindset
The world is filled with different types of intellectual
Every podcaster do that inviting different intellectual people to gain more subscribers
Following osho completely is not very easy
And ending of materialistic thing is not a easy job
@SingingDworld7 Now I m even more excited to re-watch it and see if what you are saying is true or not, I liked the podcast because there were some new terms, new thinkers and new ideas I got exposed to.
@SingingDworld7 people with no sense calls everything nonsense....will hope that you grow some braincells that didn't happen while you grew
@SingingDworld7 you can also try Swami Sarvapriyananda
Great podcast Prakhar
I enjoyed this conversation, but actually the point of divergence is where I expected the discussion to start from. Hoping for a part-2 more detailed analysis into how a Charvaka Nastika sees this world and its contrast with that of an astika or even other nastikas(Jainas and Buddhists).
Also, loved this format where you act as the host of a debate leading a flow of discussion. Please make this into a series with different contrasting views on different topics coming together and debating it out like old times, vaada and samvaada. This would definitely need more research on purva-paksha of both side from you, but I think you are diverse enough to pull this off. I won't (atleast for now expect) this from other podcasters, but you and a few others(who are well informed and take out their time and efforts to research) can really do this. This can be a genre/channel in itself separate from 2 people conversation style podcasts you generally do.
14:23 bro had guts to say that without hesitation
That level of confidence ❤
Excellent conversation
Finally.... You did something called masterpiece.... According to me it's a discussion not a debate....
Bombbbb collabb🔥🔥🔥
Great podcast......just a suggestion- it would be good to see all the faces of peoples in a frame so we can see the reactions also.
Very mature conversation.. that should be the level of each student coming out of college education ❤🔥🤩
Nicely explained 🎉kushal
prakhar k pravachan has evolved into a very matured content well done mate
Best debate... I always wanted to have this debate..
This is podcast/interview not debate.
@@kenokyu7227 partially it was a debate
Debate is a process that involves formal discourse, discussion, and oral addresses on a particular topic or collection of topics, often with a moderator and an audience.
I hope Prakhar keeps growing by leaps and bounds. 💯🚀
This is how debates should be done.
Interesting discussion. But I found Kushal's discussion more interesting because he also shows perspective of not caring whether there is god or not.
Do a podcast with kushal only on Hindutva, future of Hindus and Hindutva.
Future of hindu is dark
I think there is a podcast on it with dostcast. it's a good one actually. Title - Kushal Mehra: The ONLY Problem With the Right Wing Today!
I think he wants him to explore the religious part not political part and to the contrary I find Ami to be able to answer that better than kushal
@@saikatbaug1937reason for it?
@@mamtasingh2703 it's because of modernized before you get rich🤣🤣🤣
Bhai I've just watched till 5:30, paused and came here to comment that i feel i have already consumed content equivalent to 1 whole podcast of TRS. I love how Prakhar hosts podcasts.
This is most intellectual podcast I’ve seen so far
16:06 I think Prakhar's definition of "narrativization of history" for itihasa is correct. Although A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones doesn't have reverence or a religious/metaphysical element/worth to it, so might not be the best analogy, but Mahabharata for example is to perhaps the Battle of the Ten Kings(or some other historical conflict that serves as its nucleus), what ASOIAF/GOT is to the Wars of the Roses.
As always Kushal Mehra is brilliant . Ab bas ek cheej karo Vimoh who talks about modern day atheism and kushal mehra ko saath laao discussion ke liye , that'll be so so great.
Such a wonderful podcast, ✨️damn good interaction
After listening people likes of Kushal, Anand Ranganathn, J Sai Deepak, Abhijit, Ami Ganatra, modern business entrepreneur, & respective many more . I believe our educational system needs a one additional subject would be called( Bharat Mandapa) respective all their relative fields to produce better intellectuals for our indian society. That itself revaluation and modernise our structural and cultural belife of Bharatiya systems.
I really enjoy your videos kindly add references of the books atleast add the names on the screen whom they refer. It would be really helpful. If you have transcripts that would be awesome
What a collab
good one
Both are amazing , both are making there sense with there word but I just want to add some that the debate which always going on within god and atheist is never ending . and best part is both are not capable to prove that argument whether god is exist or not but ya I also liked the way he said that there ia nothing to do with others faith
1:24:48 Ami won the debate according to me , example of meditation is damm perfect , Karmic Cycle is true ❤️
If you are hardcore practising hindu then you must listen kushal...i followed him more than 2 years...i can assure you that you'll get some knowledge .❤️❤️❤️
Our Dharma is base on critical thinking.... which means to decide the right path based on situation and time
Based on critical thinking???
Mzza aa gya..
Just amazing we want more prakhar bhaiya🙌🙌🙌🙌 bata rahaa hun zyada views aayenge 😏 baat manlo
Only here for Ami❣️
What ?
Saying if religion is true or not doesn't matter because religion is inevitable.
That's an illogical statement.
Bro the entire society is working on that. You yourself said that. If you are assuming something false to be true then good luck trying to do anything with it.
Death is inevitable so don't cure your wounds.
I don't know where to start criticism of this statement.
Just because something is inevitable doesn't mean we should not see if it is true or false.
Looks like vimoh subscribers are doing raid in comment section.
They somehow think Kushal or Vimoh are against each other.
I think it's because Kushal openly says that he votes for bjp while vimoh opposes bjp.
@@aryanmistry11vimoh is anti hindu leftist commi...kushal criticizes every religion including hindu ..where gandu vimoh didn't criticized Islamic scriptures because minorities are oppressed..it's literally gandugiri
@@aryanmistry11 vimoh seems like classic leftist ,who doesn't believe Hinduism should exist
The time he called ruchika sharma his credibility gone, i mean so called historian who make stories and then look at archaeology
I need Acharya prashant on his podcast badly
Please Invite Ex-Muslim Sahil on your Podcast
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Brmahin will spend time.on learning evil about other religions but not good things about our own religion
Only nich mentality want to listen to x-hindu xmuslim x Sikh and be feel the supremecy
@@nikhildeshmukh6221 calm down bud.
@@bhogarajusrikar4543 bhagt ko bura laga kya...mjao buddy jake pakistani content dekho
Ami rocks🔥🔥🔥
Great
Bro you don't realise how much I wait for your podcast you are totally different from every other podcasters you not just only ask questions you sometimes become the devils advocate and you bring your own knowledge to the table
Indian secularism is equal practice and support of all religions without any selective repression or persecution
Please invite atheists like Vimoh, Lazy is Live on the podcast! It'll be fascinating to see such podcasts in India.
I think we should need some sort of category or a dimension less number for the situations to use these dharma or whuch truth to be taken at what time sorts of concepts so it would be easy. I think this approach will be better for hinduism now , we can have some board authenticated gurus as the subject experts.
14:28 Kushal is probably trying to recall
1. Dayabhaga
2. Mitakshara
If I am not mistaken
Invite *Vimoh* to your Podcast. He can address your Questions really well. He is a great Atheist to talk to ❤
Yes! he is the best one out there
vimoh vs lazy is live would be good.
I don't think today's Prakhar can bear Vimoh. Vimoh is too logical and straightforward. Prakhar seems to be inclined to some side now.
The problem is not that there is religion. The bigger problem is we need religion .
@@indrajeetnikam8628prakhar is actually long done from this debate. He is more of the consequences/need/inevitability of religion in personal and social settings.
Kushal was looking for 2 books.... Mitakshar and Dayabhaag
I would pay to watch a debate between Kushal & Vimoh or pranav
This people don't have gut to debate anyone.. they just want to run one sided narrative without any counter argument
She talked so much and I paid all the attention i could and i tried to apply everything I've learnt as a philosophy graduate....and i swear to god she made no point. She is providing a functional and utilitarian view by saying things like "Bhagwan hai ya nahi hai, mere liye to hai because it makes things easy for me."
God can't be explained in words, if you try to, noone will be convinced, like if I feel pain, no one can feel my pain, and I can not make them understand my pain or feeling, or no machine can measure the amount of pain. Like God is something which can be experienced with love, surrender, belief and bhakti, there is no logic to comprehend the very existence of God, it only be experienced by oneself
@@sarbajitroy9614 Sure. If they are accepting that it is indeed merely her belief then they should stop projecting it outwards into politics, economics, social issues.
Because if there is no logic behind someone's beliefs then I might as well believe in Mia Khalifa being the creator of the universe.
After all it's just how I feel.
@@prashantgodara3923Really this is your argument religion is bilieve for sure but that bilieve is divine! So mia khalifa argument nope stating that kushal just explained it's inevitable....and about bringing it into politics what last time i checked hindus didn't try to impose their bilief but community is influenced cause of their bilief that's how things come to politics and economy how?
First she explained the philosophy and defined terms and their understanding stating that yep and of the day it's about devotion stating she was telling religion and devotion in people's life if you're about reasoning then study advait vedanta as kushal said advait vedanta! Is when you seeking logic!
The Soula of a Nationa is the peopla who bleeda nationality.
Sounds weird na,
I also feel same when people mispronounce our words Dharm to Dharma
Yog to Yoga
Shiv to Shiva
And as in this title Itihaas to Itihasa
Nice👍🏼
OK bohot din bad maja Aya.
I'm 23 but let me tell you something, kushal bro is right. I've got to same conclusion 3 years ago
At 1:13:35 Kushal is misrepresenting Taleb's concept of Lindy.
Lindy Effect says that the future life expectancy of any non-perishable thing, like technology or book or idea, is proportional to its current age.
Eg: If a book has survived and stayed relevant for 200 years, then by Lindy effect, its future life expectancy is 200 years.
Lindy effect does not say anything about the idea being superlative or amazing. It's just a heuristic for the expected future survival rate of non-perishable items. It is probabilistic in nature, not prescriptive.
This is best video watched, this has all what we (Bharitya) needs as basic intro or knowledge. I want one more participant a guru (who realised self) like Shri M, Sadhguru