just amend the rule--at 8 seconds left, the pitcher can deliver a pitch to home plate regardless of whether or not the batter is ready. There, problem solved.
That is what I thought was going to happen. Seems to be much more organic than having the ref call a violation. The less the ref is involved at the plate, the better.
@@charleshessproductions Those are illegal. Reason being safety--(worst case) pitcher throws fastball before batter is aware and ready, ball hits batter in face. I think that's why the rule was written as it is, balancing pace of play with batter safety. Incentivize the batter to be ready sooner through potential infraction, rather than putting him at physical risk.
@@cody0010 baseball has the least amount of ball in play action of any sport... it wasn't perfect. That's why they keep changing it. It used to be America's top sport... not anymore. They have to change.
I disagree with your justification. As an actual fan of the sport, I don’t get bored watching the games. In fact, the slower pace makes the game better. Baseball is a mental sport just as much as it is a physical sport. If people don’t like the game the way it’s been played then they’re never going to like it. All of these new rules are doing nothing but ruining the great game of baseball. Runner starts at second base during extra innings, pitch clock, etc. This is ridiculous. It’s bad enough they added a DH to the NL. Baseball is my favorite sport and it’s becoming unwatchable.
If you're a baseball fan you would know that prior to about 10 to 15 years ago no one ever took forever to do everything like they do now that's disrespectful to the game and silly and drives people nuts who want real baseball
Players and teams will adjust accordingly, and everyone will be better for it. People sometimes forget how nice it was to watch a 2-hour baseball game.
If it used to be possible to play a game in well under 2.5 hours (which it was and I miss it), why is it not possible anymore? I'd love to hear what people think. To get things started, I'll throw out analytics. Everything is so over-analyzed, which is a problem when it's happening in-gam. The game has become more like a video game where the players on the field are simply being controlled by someone off the field.
@@lettuceb2336 Greg Maddux, in his prime, completes his games in less than 2-hours. I watched his games, its amazing! No nonsense, 1, 2, 3 in just like 5 minutes. Though I disagree with your views with analytics, I get it though. It gets boring quickly if its just homeruns, walks, or strikeouts. But I want the players and my team to have the edge. I'm little bit disappointed they banned the infield shift. Good hitters will adjust (i.e. David Ortiz), and it exposes flawed ones that can't (i.e. Ryan Howard). I'm honestly looking forward to this. Baseball lately has just gotten stale. I do hope nobody follows those stupid "unwritten" rules anymore.
@@turkwendell6904 you really think a 20-30min. Shorter game is going to attract more fans/attendance? Cool fantasy bro. People either like baseball or they don’t. and nothing says they need to stay til the end anyways... baseball can be, and often is a slow/boring game... exciting games are rare, it’s part of the beauty. pitch clocks ain’t gonna garner new fans and attendance in the slightest. Changing the fundamental structure of the game where balls/strikes can be determined by time though... that’s gonna drive away some true fans if it sticks around!
Terrible for baseball. Just another way Manfred is trying to ruin the league! For starters if people are really not showing up to games because of the players actions taking too long, then why not impose part of the players salary is determines on fan attendance? So the more fans the more they make? That way they could spees up and not have extra stupid rules. I have seen enough baseball that the length of the game doesn't really matter. 99/100 people who go to the games are with at least 1 other person and are there to watch/socialize. NOT there to walk in and watch a 2 hour game and leave. My best recent memory was going to the mariners and Astros game on Seattle this last postseason, and driving 4 hours to the game, being at the stadium for 7 hours, then driving another 4 hours back home. 15 hour trip and it was the best game I've ever seen. Manfred needs to be fired!!! Ruining the game!!!
I get trying to speed up the games, but this isn't the way. If you have to fundamentally change the game with various rule changes, that doesn't actually help the game. The one true way to cut down on the time is the one way they will never do. Cut out all the damn commercial breaks, but they won't do that because it's revenue. It doesn't take 5 plus damn minutes in between every half inning for the players to get on and off the field. It also shouldn't take 5 to 10 minutes to change the pitcher and bring in a reliever.
It hasn’t for me 😂 Though i think this rule needs some alterations i think it’s not inherently bad. 15 seconds is too short for the standard time and feels abnormal for both the batter and pitcher. The timer should be adjusted so a human can think at least a little longer.
So the minor leagues adjusted to this in two weeks but the MLB can’t do this with 6 weeks of spring training. Even with the WBC there is more than enough time to adjust. It was great to see a 2 h 34 min Mets vs Marlins game with a final score of 5-2.
Exactly. Even in Japan they play either 3.5 hours or 14 innings. A tie will be involved if neither side wins. So in Japan baseball is practically American Football over there.
Yet to be seen if MLB can adjust, it’s only been two days. Also, fans like us need to adjust too. I personally think they should add 5 seconds across the board but that’s just me.
Baseball’s new pitch clock is awful bullshit. They’re adjusting to short attention spans. Baseball pushes back against that, or at least it did. I like to relax at the ballpark, not see a shot clock! I expect it to be gone before the 2024 season.
Terrible idea…..why complain about the game being long anyway? If you’re watching on tv…watch something else? If I’m at the ballpark I love for it to be about 3.5 hrs. Plenty to do in ballparks and you feel like you get your moneys worth. This rule will ruin so many great games
In fairness, I don't think we should expect MLB (or any other sports league) to have a business model of, "Have you considered watching something else?" " This rule will ruin so many great games" Name one great game that was great because of extended time between pitches. Not a great game that had a lot of time between pitches, but a game that was great BECAUSE of that extra time.
It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so. The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though. Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 , adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
I don't like a clock of any kind in baseball. That's one of the beauties of baseball. The fact of it not being timed. I think that the umpires should just get tougher on the pitchers and hitters about moving more swiftly. But I don't like the clock.....at all.
@Kristen Marcum The problem is that people have so much to distract them to the point where they can't enjoy the game like you I and other True Fans. Everyone has a phone in their face, not realizing what they're missing.
@@redavis6581 Yes! You're exactly right. Nobody ever sets their damn phones down. Personally, I love the freedom of forgetting about my phone for a few hours and watching a good ballgame on a summer night. Most people can't let go of it. That's a good point. I hate having that damn clock ticking in a baseball game though. It just doesn't feel right.
Boy pitchers are going to absolutely hate this rule, tired faster, batters will feel rushed, not to mention the wind up the pitchers have will definitely be thrown off by this unnecessary crap rule
It's completely needed the game is almost unwatchable with all the not doing anything. It's pretentious and goes against hundreds of years of everyone else getting it
@@turkwendell6904 Everyone else doesn't matter, NFL, NBA, they all have their rhythm and so does baseball, its intended to be laxxed.. Maybe people need to watch other sports...
@@juanvaldez2656 when I said everyone else I meant all the prior baseball players up until 10 years ago. The average baseball game used to be more towards two and a half hours now it's closer 4 hours. That's way more than a laid-back atmosphere and that's the problem.
@@brodiwheeler7583 Actually tons of true baseball fans hate it because it takes too long that's why they made the change. And drop the I'm not a real fan bs nonsense. All the fans want is the game back to normal speed. Until like 15 years ago every game was two-and-a-half hours or so and now how many were approaching 4 hours which was another reason MLB was losing audience and it was all because of arrogance and disrespect of the game like stepping out of the box every pitch and pictures taking forever to throw in guys not even being able to throw strikes and everything that makes it yucky lack of hustle on and on and for you to say all of a sudden that I don't know what I'm talkin about you don't know what you're talkin
Minor league players got used to it, major league players will get used to it. Also go back and watch 70s and 80s baseball games, the pace of play back then was as fast as the pace of play with the pitch clock EVEN IN WORLD SERIES GAMES All these concerns are asinine.
I won't watch this game like this. Bad enough the pizza boxes for bases, adding to the "action," averages, runs, and making the dp more rare, a game ends on a "time" violation? wtf??? One aspect of the real game of baseball -- not this Punkball they are feeding us -- is that there was no time limits. Pastoral game.......pastime...........when generations of people could actually focus for a few hours. Unwatchable.
Real baseball doesn't take four hours to play it takes like 2 hours to play and it's all because pretentious players can't throw a baseball or get in the batter's box or have respect for the game in that respect almost every rule Major League Baseball has made over the 20 years has sucked but this one is actually good so needed
This isn’t new, the minors leagues did this last year and it was great. I will not miss watching batters tighten their gloves and pitchers staring off into space.
That's the essence of baseball. How does each player approach the play.... There is alot of psychology in baseball, always has been. Real fans understand that and enjoy watching the little quirks players have. signed,, REAL FAN
@@turkwendell6904 Baseball does not need a pitch clock, but I don't make these decisions. I've never once in my life thought why are games a certain length? I just watch and enjoy. What's happened is there's a generation of people that have little to no attention span. I mean we're talking about making games 30 minutes shorter, is it really that bad?
@@flaquis2729 the way your wording it though is that this is the norm with baseball near 4-Hour games or whatever but it used to be more like two and a half hours. People just wanted to be back to the normal thing not the taking forever to do something that never took forever like in the batter's box or throw the pitch after you catch the ball. This isn't about attention span it's about deviation from what was normal.
@@turkwendell6904 More has been added to the game that deviates from what used to be normal. More relievers, replay/challenges, and overall different strategies. A pitch clock isn't the answer.
@@flaquis2729 but it's saved almost an hour and all the Minor League games and forces the pace which is never been the case since the 2000 or so as I have previously mentioned
Every single sport has clocks and times involved. I love seeing all the baseball fans lose their shit that this isn’t fair or wrong or stupid lol. Yeah bc NBA doesn’t have a shot clock, NFL doesn’t have play clocks, NHL doesn’t have periods and power plays, MMA and boxing don’t have timed rounds. I can go on and on and on lol
I think the fact that MLB thought a pitch clock was necessary is an indictment on the American population. If you’re going to a baseball game, you should expect it to be a couple hours and if it’s too long, then don’t go. But don’t fundamentally change a game because people are too stupid to pay attention.
How is this a fundamental change? There's already a rule on the books saying the pitcher needs to deliver within 12 seconds when the bases are empty - this is actually more lenient. That rule was never enforced, but it was there. And I actually care less about this rule when I'm at the game because, sure - I've already decided that the game is going to be my main activity of the day and so I don't usually make plans around it. It's when I'm watching on TV that I'm much more interested in seeing a livelier pace.
It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so. The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though. Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 or adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
The issue wasn’t necessarily the actually length of the game but the amount of dead time, which the pitch clock solves. Too much dead time, get in the box and play the game
You do know that games used to be less than 3 hours, right? It wasn't until the 70s and 80s when it started to slow down because hitters and pitchers started dicking around between pitches. You're just yelling at clouds.
I grew up watching epic 4 hour long red Sox vs Yankees games, this just makes baseball lame, it had tension before, some pitchers and batters took their time unnecessarily but that is infinitely better than this garbage. The quality of pitches and the mind games between batters and pitchers are diminished. This is like if you put a swing clock in the pga tour, absolute nonsense, I don't understand how people could like this rule.
It's too bad that the game took 4 hours that wasn't a good thing that was a modern players are pretentious and take forever thing. Go watch any game until about 2000and you will notice it going at normal speed. Now these clowns have doubled the game because they can't get in the batter's box or throw the baseball
@@turkwendell6904 I have watched a few of those games before, yes they were faster paced, but not due to some stupid clock that can cost you a ball or strike. The meta just changed throughout the years. That doesn't mean it's bad, a batter stepping out of the box or a pitcher grabbing the rosin bag one too many times isn't anywhere close or comparable to being as annoying as a big stupid clock dictating the flow of the game. And the clock isnt even that bad compared to the shift ban rule. A perfect game is getting steamrollered with nonsense. It's a shame people see length of games as an issue, baseball is one of those sports that gets more exciting the longer it goes on, I've sat and watched extra inning marathons that lasted 5 or 6 hours and didn't even notice that much time passed until the game ended.
@@NoLanConnection I mean really it's not even about how long the game takes for me it's about the level of disrespect that comes from not getting in the batter's box pictures not throwing lots of endless stuff that never used to happen but if you don't mind that and think it's not an issue that's cool have a good day
They just need to adjust and speed up a bit. There is no need to spend more than seven seconds grabbing their nuts, shimmying, and taking like 7 practice swings.
@@bradrum1 It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so. The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though. Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 , adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
Do kids really dream of knocking in the winning run in the first week of Spring Training against a 26-year-old who's never pitched above High A? It's Spring. The games don't count yet. Let them work it out.
It doesn't have anything to do with "everybody's attention span being so short" & "so fans aren't bored out of their minds". They've been trying to speed the game up for the last 20 years or more. This isn't a new problem. It's been talked about since before everybody had a smartphone. FYI if you're a baseball fan, you're not going to be "bored out of your mind". Why? You'll be watching the f-ing game. Smdh. This is a hunch of nonsense. Just, trying to make a vid to make money off of it and screw the content, huh?
Its sucks baseball its a mental game so the games focus its taken away the beauty of the game and the nature of the game baseball its not backetball the beauty of the its about going too the field and enjoying the game how it should the clock its killing the pichers arms and pitchers will be injured beacuse of this BS if you love baseball you should love it jusg how it is God be with us true basebal fans .
Although I think some form of clock is maybe not "needed" but a big plus, the real time savings would come from eliminating commercials between innings completely and going to soccer style television adverts. No breaks AT ALL between innings. Three outs, both teams run on and off. Naturally, the powers that be maybe considered that for a couple milliseconds and went, uh, NFW.
@@rileyburnett720 into the season now and having seen games live and on a screen, big thumbs up for the speeding up process. Also looked up the fastest game in mlb history and it was 51 minutes, 1919 Giants Phillies. That's too fast. But 140 to 180 still drags.
The pitch clock is a little too fast. MLB needs to add an additional five seconds between pitches from the fifth to eighth innings on as the starters are starting to get fatigued in the later innings AND if it is a tight game the drama builds up. Completely agree that the pitch clock should be turned off during the ninth and extra innings, plus playoff games.
yup that was pretty much it, didn't see the game so I didn't get to see where the clock was BUT if the batter isn't in the box and alert to the pitch by the mark of 8 seconds then the penalty is a strike.
I agree. This stinks for baseball. If a fan falls asleep at a major league baseball game he doesn't need to be there to start with or can't handle his beer. All these girls playing with their phones is typical. They don't care about watching baseball anyway. This is crazy.
Fr. Players shouldn't lose games like this. They know the rules, they shouldn't be throwing away games because they forgot to follow it. Really embarrassing for that Atlanta batter.
Me too. I absolutely love Baseball I went to 17 games last season (Didn’t have season tickets) and now I can’t watch it anymore. Baseball is a strategic sport that is not supposed to be rushed.
Imagine you are the cowboys and you call a hb draw and can't stop the clock because of shit play calling... Well you lose. That's it. No exceptions. Other sports have clocks and now baseball does too. As soon as you make an exception the rule falls apart and then it's the umps call? So now it's up to a group of people the fan base regularly derides to determine what is crucial on a case by case basis. Is bases loaded in the second different than the ninth...
That was only Spring Training, and since Spring Training games don't go to extra innings, if that were a regular season game, it would have gone into extras.
i don't get the people who complain that the game is too long. i mean, if you are so tight on time that you can't spend 3 hours at a ball game, why are you going to begin with?
I feel my love for baseball slipping away as they try to make a game so perfect being turned into a timed and rushed sport. Baseball was perfect when there weren't trying to speed the game up. I just hope it doesn't turn out as bad as it seems it will. I am a firm believer the pitcher is supposed to control the game. Now it's just hurry and get it over with. It hurts me to see the direction baseball is headed in doing anything to make the game a few minutes faster. It truly does hurt me as a true dedicated baseball fan.
Its beginning to look like football with so many arbitrary and new mechanics that sidestep the root problems they say are ruining the game. External legalistic rules about sign stealing, gambling, steroids, and the business side of baseball have been so poorly selectively enforced that its left permanent stains on an already waning game. They say that it is what it is and it just gets worse, but it's getting tougher to so much as watch the sport.
Yep, the fun is being taken from the game. The players have done a poor job of self-managing, too. If a batter takes to long in the box, put the next one in his ear. And these pitchers that take forever... I can't watch as outfielders take positioning cards from their back pockets and pitching changes every other batter. Statcast, nerdy front offices, strikeouts, and launch angle discussions are all reasons i have zero interest anymore. I've tried to watch a few games in the past 5 years and I turn the channel every time. The players and managers do nothing but complain, usually about strike zones. It breaks my heart, as baseball was my childhood in the early 00s. I guess it's another sign of the times, as the fun and innocence are slowly being drained from our culture.
@@ernieramos2792 because the catcher wasn’t even in a squat or paying attention either and since it was a full count the batter thought it was delay of game on the defense so he thought it was ball 4 for a walk off walk
I think the pitch clock is good for pacing, but I agree that it's incredibly problematic if crucial moments were rushed by the clock or decided by pitch clock violations. Wait and see for now I guess, but I'd be in favor of dropping the pitch clock after the first 7 innings as my armchair scorekeeper's take.
A prediction for this year: After the pitcher makes a play at first base, there will be more untied shoelaces, smudged glasses, and issues with contacts then ever in the history of baseball!
This feels like the best option, altough the 7th is when the bullpen really gets put into work and takes the most amount of time. We all remember Hanley Jansen not pitching. I think it can work if you just add an extra 5 seconds to this scenario.
No pitch clock in the 9th inning if the game is close...ie tying or winning run is on base or at the plate should be the rule. Also no pitch count in 3-2 situations would be nice.
@@brodiwheeler7583 Unfortunately they are necessary to prevent stupid long games. No clock on 3/2 counts and the 9th inning of close games would be a great help. The base runner is extra innings is a god awful rule change.
@@jayrod9979 I would support a clock for the umps to hustle up the players... but the pitch count should NEVER be determined by a clock... ONLY the strike zone... that’s sacred. I am not a fan of the base runner/ghost runner thing either... I get the argument that it’s a long season and super long games affect the teams for the next days game... but imo long games is one of the cool things about baseball. But let’s face it... this boils down to money, anyone try’s to tell me it’s about gaining new fans/not losing fans... not buying it. No one is going to become a new fan of baseball because games are now 26minutes shorter on avg. It is normally a slow boring game... if people want a fast action packed game, they’ll watch hockey or basketball. Baseball just has a nature of anticipation of action, that’s why it’s so awesome when exciting plays/hits/RBI’s DO happen.
Well the pace of play for actual fans of baseball wasn't ever an issue. So to me this was a change for the weak attention spans that want more bat flips and non baseball stuff in baseball games. The game just got a little more robotic and a little less human.
Dude we have to live our lives, spending 30 extra minutes watching players adjust their gloves and play with their butts without playing baseball is not baseball. I love baseball, I don’t like seeing players just stand there fiddling and not playing baseball. I got other stuff to do, the players are there to put on a product not scratch their balls
@marcus_aurelius8214 just standing there fiddling and not playing baseball.. Scratch their balls? You love baseball, but have better things to do for the extra 30 minutes? What a childish response, and you expect me to take you seriously lmao.
@@TheSonofabiscuit Uh yea, I’m a student I have homework and studying to do. I have an internship. I can’t spend 3.5 hours 162 times a year watching baseball. Again, we have lives to live, we can’t dedicate our whole lives to watching baseball and cutting down game times by 30-40 minutes like the MiLB did will improve the watchability for people like me drastically
Just turn off the clock after 6th or 7th inning. Limiting pickup throw by 2 is also going to cause issues as you can't hold the runner anymore with the pitch clock...
The key for situations like this is the enforcement. In the minors, they don't go calling every pitch clock violation to the second like a shot clock in basketball. If a player is way over time, he will get called. Otherwise, if he's consistently a second or two behind during an at-bat or inning pitched, the umpire will give him a heads up and expect an adjustment the next time.
And that could be the only adjustment needed here. The umps have obviously been instructed to enforce the rule strictly right from the beginning of Spring Training so that everybody can get adjusted. But maybe when actually get to the regular season late-inning situations that so many people seem to be worried about, it'll work more like you described.
@@marcuspi999 Maybe, maybe not. I think that would only happen if a team felt that the ump was being inconsistent in how he applied the rule to different teams. I'm thinking of the strike zone now. If an ump is calling a ball that's three inches off the outside corner a strike, nobody really complains if he's doing it consistently. Most complaints are when a team feels like an ump is giving the other team calls that they're not getting. So if an ump gives a warnings to batters who are stepping in with 7 seconds left or lets a pitcher slide if he's come set but doesn't start his windup until 1/2 second after the clock hits 0, but he the same for both teams, I don't think anybody's going to complain about that. If it's worked that way in the minors, like the OP said, there's no reason it wouldn't work the same way in the Majors.
Everyone who watched baseball in years prior to the last 15ish. You see back then the game was played in like two and a half hours in a respectful pace not a forever between pitches step off the mound don't throw the ball these kind of things drive people crazy if you watched baseball prior
I like the pitch clock. It's great. But it should be switched off after the first out of the 9th inning, top and bottom so that the clock off does not occur
@@josephsarto689 Fair enough. But the reason I picked Buehrle is that he was known for working faster than just about anybody else, anyway. And that fast pace clearly did not prevent him from throwing two no-hitters, including a perfect game.
Good thing the game went by faster! I'm sure all the new fans in the stadium are hooked on baseball now! They get to go home sooner instead of seeing a walk off!
Here's the solution. Let the batter do whatever he wants. The pitch is coming weather hes ready or not. It's a timer for the pitcher. Not the batter. If the batter isn't ready, so what.
@@brendagraves1148 Given that the top and bottom literally can't be determined without the crouching batter to assess them against, yes, "maybe." They're not looking at a floating white box, you know.
@@brendagraves1148 Did you ever see that footage, actually -- I can't remember the details, but there was an umpire who was irritated at a batter taking forever to get into the box, and he motioned for the pitcher to just go ahead and throw a pitch while the batter was still way off to the side, not ready. Then the pitch he threw looked terrible, but the ump called it a strike anyway. Which, ultimately, is probably what makes sense. Just call a strike on the hitter so he's the one who's punished for not being ready.
Not the first or last time a rules violation ended a game. The pitch clock is wonderful, pitchers and hitters will adjust accordingly. The fans who are complaining are merely afraid of change. They're simply bringing baseball back to the way it used to be played.
A pitch clock alters the game at a fundamental level. Baseball is nore than athletes "going through the motions" and was never meant to be fast-paced like other sports can be. I jjust wonder how long it will take baserunners to see the huge benefit and start steeling bases left and right. If MLB is really concerned about pace of play, change the rule on steals to mimic Little League. I don't think this is good either, but if they eliminate a pitcher's need to focus on a runner the game will fly. With that said, MLB needs to drop the focus on increasing "excitement" and keeping every game action packed so the game can return to its roots. Why do we need a rule on shifts? Because MLB decided it needed more home runs which altered how the game is most effectively played. They could have solved this by de-juicing the ball, but small ball isn't exciting. Why are AI strike zones coming? So they can control this aspect of the game and ultimately make it less interesting. Batters should focus on what the ump calls on a given night and adjust. Manfred has severely hurt baseball in my opinion and I have little interest in watrching a daily homerun derby, poor fundamentals, and pitchers who get pulled after 80 pitches because they go full-tilt the entire time;.
It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so. The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though. Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 or adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
@@steveo3530 Isn't this partially a contradiction? MLB is absolutely concerned with pace of play, that's what this rule is all about. Fans have shorter attention spans than ever, and as you note broadcast contracts are easier to work out with shorter games. I think MLB needs to be honest about it's goals... think PGA vs LIV and the different formats played. Ignoring any pace-of-play, does MLB want keep baseball fundamentally what it was for the last 100+ years, or does it continue "updating" the game so it is subjectively "more exciting"? I think it's the latter, and that's a dangerous path. I believe there are better ways to accomplish this task which don't require a clock, but MLB needs to get prohibit the data being pushed to players in-game and force them to simply play (reduce input from the bench, eliminate cheat sheets on the field, let the pitcher / catcher call pitches)... and they need to de-juice the ball to encourage more outs from hit balls than strikeouts (fewer pitches). The historical role of the coaching team was to manage high-level game decisions and teach the intricacies of the game in practice. I don't think the modern player is less intelligent, but teams give very few of them a chance to simply play the game anymore.
@@lettuceb2336 Do you think they are going to come out and just tell us their motives? There was and is nothing wrong with the pace of play... Baseball IS NOT for everybody and the problem is that they are trying to make it for everybody. The common fan has no idea about all the games withing the game that will be affected by this... the battle between the pitcher and batter, all the cat and mouse between runners and fielders.. the pick offs, not to get a guy out, but to tire his legs diving back 3 or 4 times before he tries to steal. All those things change and that can actually drive away a lot of true fans... at the end of the day whats the driving factor?? Money. Answer me this.. are we gonna get charged less for admission on a shorter game???? Lmao, on the contrary, prices are going up... kinda weird huh..
@@steveo3530 Yep,, baseball isn't for everyone. But it's my favorite sport to watch. == there are plenty of other sports for people who need that kind of pace. (basketball,, soccer,, etc) Pure baseball fans want the game we grew up with
It's not about non-stop action, it's just about killing unnecessary dead time. Like the one video I saw a couple days ago, where it had a game in Spring Training this year where a pitcher finished an entire half inning before the comparison pitcher during a regular season game completed two pitches.
Omg this is gonna be a disaster its going to seriously screw up a lot of players' timing. Yet another ridiculous move by this commissioner, compromising timing, established habits, and strategy all for more viewership. Baseball players tend to be very superstitious and creatures of habit and got to where they were from a set of learned skills and experience. Add this rule suddenly to a major league game, and you change the player. Now players need ANOTHER thing to worry about in addition to a multitude of other pressures, the crowd, etc. Between this, the ghost runner and the shift banning all within a few years! On the other hand, they make enough money and shouldn't complain and is just a small price to pay for the greater good if low viewership is indeed a big issue however thats no excuse. If you want to increase viewership, do a better job of marketing and building interest with our youth dont mess with the longstanding traditional rules and esrablished player habits and replace them with backyard wiffleball rules in an attempt to speed the gane up just because people today have a horrible attention span!
I never saw this as an issue with the pitchers, because it didn't start there. Back in the 90's, players were coached to take longer time between pitches. I know, I was one of them. The purpose was to "disrupt the pitcher's rhythm", but I thought it was nonsense. If anything, it disrupted the natural rhythm of my plate appearance. Anyway, there is no, nor has there ever been any proof it works. Sort of like icing the kicker in football. It just turned into a tradition and soon a unbreakable superstition. These players who step out of the batters box every time and adjust their gloves or kick dirt are doing that because of one simple concept: BAD HABITS. The pitcher disruption strategy has caused players to develop delay tactics which have turned into bad habits, plain and simple. I have gotten so f'ing annoyed by watching batters taking too long outside the box, I start yelling at the television. This culture in baseball needs to change. It's perfectly doable, and has been done before. In the 1970's, the average length of an MLB game was about 2.5 hours. When watching a classic game on television, you can almost be duped into thinking the network deliberately sped up the video! But no, the players actually went at a much quicker pace. There were no 20 second batter pauses between pitches. You took a pitch, took MAYBE 5 seconds and got back in the box. Many times batters even kept one foot in the box. These days, if a batter takes a low, inside ball and has to abruptly scoot their feet backward to the point all their weight is falling forward, they not only go with the momentum, but take 10 running steps to recover. That's so unnecessary and stupid, it's the baseball equivalent of a flop. Just take a step or two and get back in there. Stop with all the f'ing canned drama. Yes, this is a serious soapbox of mine. Some of my own teammates annoyed TF out of me but I never said a word. This pitch clock had to implemented to get superstition and bad habits under control. Let's not make the game into more of anything it needs to be. I support this.
Exactly. I'm an A's fan and decided to watch the "20th win" from the 2002 season. Even 20 years ago (hard to believe), the speed at which the game is played is very different. Almost as soon as the pitch was thrown (whether it was swung or not), the batter was standing in the box waiting for the next pitch. Nowadays guys adjust their gloves, braces and helmet even if they didn't swing the bat.
All these things you mentioned to me are just the strategies of playing the game of baseball. The putting a runner on 2nd base in extra innings was enough for me. The only new thing I liked is the making of the bases bigger just because it avoids the first baseman from being spiked. If spending a day at a major league ball park for a 3-hr. game is to long for people then go do something else. MLB has been very successful for a reason. I say don't jeopardize the game with all these non strategic game rules.
@@summergivens242 adjusting your jock, kicking dirt around, tightening your gloves after every pitch, helmet, practice swings are NOT strategies. They're bad habits. You're also talking about going to the park, of course people spend a day AT the park. I'm mainly talking when you're watching a game on television. None of the things I mentioned have contributed to the success of MLB.
@@ibuprofenPill Well it's been successful without all these new rules or player's wouldn't be making the ridiculous amounts they make. Will see ! If they do keep these changes you won't see me paying to watch it on T.V.
Mostly true. I miss a good oid-school pitchers duall. I'm a fan of baseball, but I'm not a fan of modern MLB. I get bored watching 18 fly ball outs and 9 strikeouts because everyone swings for the fences. I get bored watching players that look to have little ability to hit to the opposite field and poor base running skills. I get bored watching a pitcher throw as hard as possible for 5 innings instead of moderating output and pitching 8 or 9 innings.
I don't think I'd mind not having a clock in extra innings. But it needs to be there for the full 9 innings, if they're going to have it. You can get rid of it in "crucial situations", because that doesn't make sense.....as "crucial situation" is EXTREMELY ambiguous. At most, you'd get rid of the clock in the 9th inning of every game..... BUT even that won't work. Here's why: I stopped watching the NBA back around 2004 because teams have too many timeouts. The final 2-3 minutes of a basketball game would take about 30 minutes REAL TIME, if it was a close game. If it wasn't a close game, then I'm probably turning the game off because it's boring at that point anyway. So there is ZERO incentive to watching NBA games to the end. The same thing would happen in baseball. Imagine a game going at a steady pace, faster action for 8 innings... then all of a sudden it turns into a drag in the 9th, because there's no pitch clock. Baseball would become even more boring at that point. What I find extremely stupid is the extra runner at 2nd base in extra innings. It makes no sense. It makes it so that it rewards the team that gets lucky. BOTH teams starting with a runner at 2nd base doesn't speed the game up, because both teams are given the same treatment. They both get a runner at 2nd...thus negating each other. And if you want to say: "it DOES speed the game up, because it increases the chances of at least one of those runs scoring". Well, then that's just rewarding the luckier team.
The MLB pitch clock rule is already longer than the one used in the minors, MLB is 15 secs with no one on and 20 with runners, while MiLB was 14 and 18 respectively, Also the betters in MiLB had to be ready with 9 seconds left in MiLB where MLB uses 9 seconds. College baseball has had a version of the pitch clock for over a decade. I see zero issue with this rule and frankly glad it was put in place. The average time of a game has climbed by nearly 30 minutes since the mid 70's and this will likely bring it back to close to those levels, which to me is a good thing.
I love the new rules as it keeps baseball games moving. I love the no shift rules and I love the pitcher and hitter timers! But I think they should have implemented at least one warning per team per 9 innings game. The pitchers on each team should be warned maybe 1-3 times as a team for the entire 9 inning game. Also hitters that don’t get into the box in time should also get 1-3 warnings before a violation is given. I feel 3 warnings for pitchers and 3 warnings for hitters for each team in a 9 inning game and if each team used 3 warnings on pitchers and 3 warnings on hitters it would add no more than 5 minutes to a MLB game. I don’t want to see a pitch timer or hitter timer violation end the game. MLB teams would be more cognizant of breaking the new timer rules and it would allow the teams to save their warnings to the late innings of a game. Even if each team used all their warnings it wouldn’t add but a minute or two to each game. Maybe 3 warnings is too many. Maybe pitchers should get 2 or 3 warnings per 9 inning game and maybe hitters should get only 1 or 2 warnings per 9 inning games. If a game were to go extra innings I would like one pitch timer warning and one hit timer warning per inning in any inning after the 9th inning. I love the new rules but if MLB allowed at least 1 or 2 warnings before they actually get a violation it would be an incentive for teams that didn’t break any timer violations to use them in the 9th inning or whenever they deem necessary and issuing warnings would only add a couple minutes to a game. The other thing the new rules are going to do is cause MLB stadiums to sell less food and drinks. Nobody wants to be at a 1-1 pitchers duel where the managers take out pitchers every 1-1/3 innings and it takes 4 hours to get through a game. MLB should have implemented warnings whether it’s only one warning per team or a couple warnings per team it still would be a much faster pace game. I especially believe after 9 innings each team should get a warning. You could be playing an extra innings game and it’s over 100 degrees out and a batter has 5 or 6 plate appearances already i believe giving them 3-5 more seconds of time in extra innings would be warranted!
Baseball is dead no one gives af because of how long and Boring the games where. This could save baseball until it dies out completely because let’s face it this sport sucks lmao
@@zavthe1371 you and anyone else can just face it that you just don’t like the game... real fans always have, and always will love it. Baseball has grown steadily throughout the years and has made shit-tons of money. Anyone who agrees that balls/strikes should be determined by a pitch clock because “GaMeS tAkE tOO LoNg” can just watch the highlights after the game is over... or piss off entirely. Baseball is certainly not dead, makes more money then ever! A lot of these new rules will stick, but the pitch clock won’t.
I have a solution. Allow the 9th inning and any extra inning to operate without a pitch clock. If a game manages to end without the bottom of the 9th being played then suspend the pitch clock in the bottom of the 8th of the next game between those two same teams if the home team is the same and the road team is the same or the top of the 8th inning if the home team and the road team switch among those two teams for their next game between each other. I wish that I had thought of this idea last year when this video was first released. Maybe we would have gotten the ball rolling then, and we would not have to worry about games ending this way for very much longer.
I have mixed feelings about this new rule it speeds up the game but at the same time it's too excessive like earlier when the Red Sox and Braves game ended on a violation Rob Manfred has to do something about it before the World Series
How is it too excessive? The batter had plenty of time to get set, he was just farting around instead of adhering to the rule. By October everyone will be used to it so you're not gonna have this problem. Quit being dramatic.
There are no ties in the regular season or playoffs, so it wouldn't end the game. It isn't hard to get in the box within 8 seconds. Now maybe players will pay attention.
Clocks don’t belong in Baseball! Especially with penalty of pitch count and outcome of game consequence. You want a timer for Umpire to hustle up a player... fine. But changing the structure of the game after it’s been around for nearly 150 years... that’s horseshit.
In my opinion, The violation should only be in forced if they are not in the batters box. I was taught that once the batter was in the batters box, that it was then legal for the pitcher to pitch the ball. If the batter wasn't ready it was their own fault. In this case, where the Braves batter was in the batters box there should have been no violation. The pitcher should have been able to pitch the ball no matter if the batter was ready or not.
It's like chess, the clock is part of the game. No more waiting for the analysts to come up with the perfect pitch while you waste time. Player are going to have to learn to think on their feet, like athletes do in every single sport, and like they already did on defensive plays. I prefer a dynamic game, it definitely going to make me more likely to watch and finish more games.
just amend the rule--at 8 seconds left, the pitcher can deliver a pitch to home plate regardless of whether or not the batter is ready. There, problem solved.
That is what I thought was going to happen. Seems to be much more organic than having the ref call a violation. The less the ref is involved at the plate, the better.
Didn't that used to be allowed anyway? "Quick pitch"
Really great idea actually!
@@charleshessproductions Those are illegal. Reason being safety--(worst case) pitcher throws fastball before batter is aware and ready, ball hits batter in face. I think that's why the rule was written as it is, balancing pace of play with batter safety. Incentivize the batter to be ready sooner through potential infraction, rather than putting him at physical risk.
@@noneyahbuziness8314 The batter needs to ready when he steps into the box (plain and simple). If he isn't ready, it is his own fault.
I don't like change when it comes to baseball. Sorry but F the kids if they can't pay attention to a baseball game.
Agree baseball was perfect before they ever tried speeding games up
@@cody0010 baseball has the least amount of ball in play action of any sport... it wasn't perfect. That's why they keep changing it. It used to be America's top sport... not anymore. They have to change.
@@cody0010back in 70’s and 80’s it was still popular and faster paced. This new rule is attempting to get it back to that point.
This needs to end NOW! I go to baseball games for the slow pace and relaxation. If you want a fast paced game watch football
I disagree with your justification. As an actual fan of the sport, I don’t get bored watching the games. In fact, the slower pace makes the game better. Baseball is a mental sport just as much as it is a physical sport. If people don’t like the game the way it’s been played then they’re never going to like it. All of these new rules are doing nothing but ruining the great game of baseball. Runner starts at second base during extra innings, pitch clock, etc. This is ridiculous. It’s bad enough they added a DH to the NL. Baseball is my favorite sport and it’s becoming unwatchable.
If you're a baseball fan you would know that prior to about 10 to 15 years ago no one ever took forever to do everything like they do now that's disrespectful to the game and silly and drives people nuts who want real baseball
Players and teams will adjust accordingly, and everyone will be better for it. People sometimes forget how nice it was to watch a 2-hour baseball game.
It's their own faults.
If it used to be possible to play a game in well under 2.5 hours (which it was and I miss it), why is it not possible anymore? I'd love to hear what people think.
To get things started, I'll throw out analytics. Everything is so over-analyzed, which is a problem when it's happening in-gam. The game has become more like a video game where the players on the field are simply being controlled by someone off the field.
@@lettuceb2336 Greg Maddux, in his prime, completes his games in less than 2-hours. I watched his games, its amazing! No nonsense, 1, 2, 3 in just like 5 minutes.
Though I disagree with your views with analytics, I get it though. It gets boring quickly if its just homeruns, walks, or strikeouts. But I want the players and my team to have the edge. I'm little bit disappointed they banned the infield shift. Good hitters will adjust (i.e. David Ortiz), and it exposes flawed ones that can't (i.e. Ryan Howard).
I'm honestly looking forward to this. Baseball lately has just gotten stale. I do hope nobody follows those stupid "unwritten" rules anymore.
I want to watch a 3.5 hour game. I don’t want a baseball game to be sped up.
@@lettuceb2336 TV and ad time. Main reason. Everyone has a TV contract and someone's got to pay for it.
Would rather have this than have Pedro Baez taking 50 years to throw 2 pitches
Or a hitter grabbing his nuts 5 times, stare into sky for an additional 30 secs then slowly make his way back into the box.
Agreed
It's this type of mentality that keeps baseball in the stone age. It drags on for goddamned EVER
I hope your team loses to a pitch clock violation
Faster games means less Beer/Food sales. I don’t think they thought this through
More people at those games is better than 40 minutes or so of increased vending
@@turkwendell6904 you really think a 20-30min. Shorter game is going to attract more fans/attendance? Cool fantasy bro. People either like baseball or they don’t. and nothing says they need to stay til the end anyways... baseball can be, and often is a slow/boring game... exciting games are rare, it’s part of the beauty. pitch clocks ain’t gonna garner new fans and attendance in the slightest. Changing the fundamental structure of the game where balls/strikes can be determined by time though... that’s gonna drive away some true fans if it sticks around!
Terrible for baseball. Just another way Manfred is trying to ruin the league! For starters if people are really not showing up to games because of the players actions taking too long, then why not impose part of the players salary is determines on fan attendance? So the more fans the more they make? That way they could spees up and not have extra stupid rules. I have seen enough baseball that the length of the game doesn't really matter. 99/100 people who go to the games are with at least 1 other person and are there to watch/socialize. NOT there to walk in and watch a 2 hour game and leave. My best recent memory was going to the mariners and Astros game on Seattle this last postseason, and driving 4 hours to the game, being at the stadium for 7 hours, then driving another 4 hours back home. 15 hour trip and it was the best game I've ever seen. Manfred needs to be fired!!! Ruining the game!!!
You got it right there! It is a game you can watch, socialize, // at home or at the stadium.
I get trying to speed up the games, but this isn't the way. If you have to fundamentally change the game with various rule changes, that doesn't actually help the game. The one true way to cut down on the time is the one way they will never do. Cut out all the damn commercial breaks, but they won't do that because it's revenue. It doesn't take 5 plus damn minutes in between every half inning for the players to get on and off the field. It also shouldn't take 5 to 10 minutes to change the pitcher and bring in a reliever.
Tiktok ruined everyone’s attention span. This isn’t gonna win over new fans
It hasn’t for me 😂
Though i think this rule needs some alterations i think it’s not inherently bad.
15 seconds is too short for the standard time and feels abnormal for both the batter and pitcher. The timer should be adjusted so a human can think at least a little longer.
So the minor leagues adjusted to this in two weeks but the MLB can’t do this with 6 weeks of spring training. Even with the WBC there is more than enough time to adjust. It was great to see a 2 h 34 min Mets vs Marlins game with a final score of 5-2.
5-2
Exactly. Even in Japan they play either 3.5 hours or 14 innings. A tie will be involved if neither side wins. So in Japan baseball is practically American Football over there.
Yet to be seen if MLB can adjust, it’s only been two days.
Also, fans like us need to adjust too. I personally think they should add 5 seconds across the board but that’s just me.
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It's been two whole days
I don't think an mlb game should end due to pitch clock tho
Baseball’s new pitch clock is awful bullshit. They’re adjusting to short attention spans. Baseball pushes back against that, or at least it did. I like to relax at the ballpark, not see a shot clock! I expect it to be gone before the 2024 season.
Terrible idea…..why complain about the game being long anyway? If you’re watching on tv…watch something else? If I’m at the ballpark I love for it to be about 3.5 hrs. Plenty to do in ballparks and you feel like you get your moneys worth. This rule will ruin so many great games
One thing that makes a great game is the atmosphere and without a chance to take in the excitement, it just wouldn't have the same feel to it.
You know baseball makes more money from t.v. contracts right?
In fairness, I don't think we should expect MLB (or any other sports league) to have a business model of, "Have you considered watching something else?"
" This rule will ruin so many great games"
Name one great game that was great because of extended time between pitches. Not a great game that had a lot of time between pitches, but a game that was great BECAUSE of that extra time.
It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so.
The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though.
Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 , adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
I've never been bored at over 150 O's games/21 Nats games.
I don't like a clock of any kind in baseball. That's one of the beauties of baseball. The fact of it not being timed. I think that the umpires should just get tougher on the pitchers and hitters about moving more swiftly. But I don't like the clock.....at all.
@Kristen Marcum The problem is that people have so much to distract them to the point where they can't enjoy the game like you I and other True Fans. Everyone has a phone in their face, not realizing what they're missing.
@@redavis6581 Yes! You're exactly right. Nobody ever sets their damn phones down. Personally, I love the freedom of forgetting about my phone for a few hours and watching a good ballgame on a summer night. Most people can't let go of it. That's a good point. I hate having that damn clock ticking in a baseball game though. It just doesn't feel right.
Baseball has never, and should never have clocks. It has a structure and a rythym, it’s part of its beauty and symmetry. #losethepitchclock
Boy pitchers are going to absolutely hate this rule, tired faster, batters will feel rushed, not to mention the wind up the pitchers have will definitely be thrown off by this unnecessary crap rule
It's completely needed the game is almost unwatchable with all the not doing anything. It's pretentious and goes against hundreds of years of everyone else getting it
@@turkwendell6904 Everyone else doesn't matter, NFL, NBA, they all have their rhythm and so does baseball, its intended to be laxxed.. Maybe people need to watch other sports...
@@juanvaldez2656 when I said everyone else I meant all the prior baseball players up until 10 years ago. The average baseball game used to be more towards two and a half hours now it's closer 4 hours. That's way more than a laid-back atmosphere and that's the problem.
I feel like they are trying to cater to fans that aren’t there. Baseball fans know what to expect.
Not sure what world you're from baseball games used to take like 2 hours now they take 4 and you're good with that
@@turkwendell6904 not sure what decade you’re from... No true fan of baseball hates it because it “takes too long”.
@@brodiwheeler7583 Actually tons of true baseball fans hate it because it takes too long that's why they made the change. And drop the I'm not a real fan bs nonsense. All the fans want is the game back to normal speed. Until like 15 years ago every game was two-and-a-half hours or so and now how many were approaching 4 hours which was another reason MLB was losing audience and it was all because of arrogance and disrespect of the game like stepping out of the box every pitch and pictures taking forever to throw in guys not even being able to throw strikes and everything that makes it yucky lack of hustle on and on and for you to say all of a sudden that I don't know what I'm talkin about you don't know what you're talkin
Pitch clock bad.
Sit back, enjoy the game and let them play ball.
But hey I’m an old timer, I ain’t in no hurry.
Just make a rule that you cannot get walked or struck out by the pitch clock....
Minor league players got used to it, major league players will get used to it.
Also go back and watch 70s and 80s baseball games, the pace of play back then was as fast as the pace of play with the pitch clock EVEN IN WORLD SERIES GAMES
All these concerns are asinine.
I hope you're collecting clips so that you can put together a video entitled Pitch Clock Nightmare. ... Because it's coming.
Leave the game alone, nothing wrong with it.
I won't watch this game like this. Bad enough the pizza boxes for bases, adding to the "action," averages, runs, and making the dp more rare, a game ends on a "time" violation? wtf??? One aspect of the real game of baseball -- not this Punkball they are feeding us -- is that there was no time limits. Pastoral game.......pastime...........when generations of people could actually focus for a few hours. Unwatchable.
Real baseball doesn't take four hours to play it takes like 2 hours to play and it's all because pretentious players can't throw a baseball or get in the batter's box or have respect for the game in that respect almost every rule Major League Baseball has made over the 20 years has sucked but this one is actually good so needed
This isn’t new, the minors leagues did this last year and it was great. I will not miss watching batters tighten their gloves and pitchers staring off into space.
That's the essence of baseball. How does each player approach the play.... There is alot of psychology in baseball, always has been. Real fans understand that and enjoy watching the little quirks players have. signed,, REAL FAN
The people that like this rule are the reason MLB had to extend the netting around the field...short attention span and can't put their phones down.
Nope every other rule the stupid but this one brings respect back to the game and will cut the time in half almost not quite
@@turkwendell6904 Baseball does not need a pitch clock, but I don't make these decisions. I've never once in my life thought why are games a certain length? I just watch and enjoy. What's happened is there's a generation of people that have little to no attention span. I mean we're talking about making games 30 minutes shorter, is it really that bad?
@@flaquis2729 the way your wording it though is that this is the norm with baseball near 4-Hour games or whatever but it used to be more like two and a half hours. People just wanted to be back to the normal thing not the taking forever to do something that never took forever like in the batter's box or throw the pitch after you catch the ball. This isn't about attention span it's about deviation from what was normal.
@@turkwendell6904 More has been added to the game that deviates from what used to be normal. More relievers, replay/challenges, and overall different strategies. A pitch clock isn't the answer.
@@flaquis2729 but it's saved almost an hour and all the Minor League games and forces the pace which is never been the case since the 2000 or so as I have previously mentioned
Every single sport has clocks and times involved. I love seeing all the baseball fans lose their shit that this isn’t fair or wrong or stupid lol. Yeah bc NBA doesn’t have a shot clock, NFL doesn’t have play clocks, NHL doesn’t have periods and power plays, MMA and boxing don’t have timed rounds. I can go on and on and on lol
The video is showing young girls on their phones . Their not watching, pitch count or not. Ridiculous
I think the fact that MLB thought a pitch clock was necessary is an indictment on the American population. If you’re going to a baseball game, you should expect it to be a couple hours and if it’s too long, then don’t go. But don’t fundamentally change a game because people are too stupid to pay attention.
How is this a fundamental change? There's already a rule on the books saying the pitcher needs to deliver within 12 seconds when the bases are empty - this is actually more lenient. That rule was never enforced, but it was there.
And I actually care less about this rule when I'm at the game because, sure - I've already decided that the game is going to be my main activity of the day and so I don't usually make plans around it. It's when I'm watching on TV that I'm much more interested in seeing a livelier pace.
It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so.
The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though.
Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 or adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
The issue wasn’t necessarily the actually length of the game but the amount of dead time, which the pitch clock solves. Too much dead time, get in the box and play the game
You do know that games used to be less than 3 hours, right? It wasn't until the 70s and 80s when it started to slow down because hitters and pitchers started dicking around between pitches. You're just yelling at clouds.
I grew up watching epic 4 hour long red Sox vs Yankees games, this just makes baseball lame, it had tension before, some pitchers and batters took their time unnecessarily but that is infinitely better than this garbage. The quality of pitches and the mind games between batters and pitchers are diminished. This is like if you put a swing clock in the pga tour, absolute nonsense, I don't understand how people could like this rule.
It's too bad that the game took 4 hours that wasn't a good thing that was a modern players are pretentious and take forever thing. Go watch any game until about 2000and you will notice it going at normal speed. Now these clowns have doubled the game because they can't get in the batter's box or throw the baseball
@@turkwendell6904 I have watched a few of those games before, yes they were faster paced, but not due to some stupid clock that can cost you a ball or strike. The meta just changed throughout the years. That doesn't mean it's bad, a batter stepping out of the box or a pitcher grabbing the rosin bag one too many times isn't anywhere close or comparable to being as annoying as a big stupid clock dictating the flow of the game. And the clock isnt even that bad compared to the shift ban rule. A perfect game is getting steamrollered with nonsense. It's a shame people see length of games as an issue, baseball is one of those sports that gets more exciting the longer it goes on, I've sat and watched extra inning marathons that lasted 5 or 6 hours and didn't even notice that much time passed until the game ended.
@@NoLanConnection I mean really it's not even about how long the game takes for me it's about the level of disrespect that comes from not getting in the batter's box pictures not throwing lots of endless stuff that never used to happen but if you don't mind that and think it's not an issue that's cool have a good day
This is going to hurt baseball.
They just need to adjust and speed up a bit. There is no need to spend more than seven seconds grabbing their nuts, shimmying, and taking like 7 practice swings.
@@bradrum1 It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so.
The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though.
Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 , adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
A dream scenario ends in the dumbest way possible
Do kids really dream of knocking in the winning run in the first week of Spring Training against a 26-year-old who's never pitched above High A?
It's Spring. The games don't count yet. Let them work it out.
It doesn't have anything to do with "everybody's attention span being so short" & "so fans aren't bored out of their minds". They've been trying to speed the game up for the last 20 years or more. This isn't a new problem. It's been talked about since before everybody had a smartphone.
FYI if you're a baseball fan, you're not going to be "bored out of your mind". Why? You'll be watching the f-ing game. Smdh. This is a hunch of nonsense. Just, trying to make a vid to make money off of it and screw the content, huh?
May not be bored but I will miss little parts of the game that happen in between pitches. Will never get that feeling again.
Pitch clock is stupid. It's gonna ruin baseball.
Its sucks baseball its a mental game so the games focus its taken away the beauty of the game and the nature of the game baseball its not backetball the beauty of the its about going too the field and enjoying the game how it should the clock its killing the pichers arms and pitchers will be injured beacuse of this BS if you love baseball you should love it jusg how it is God be with us true basebal fans .
Although I think some form of clock is maybe not "needed" but a big plus, the real time savings would come from eliminating commercials between innings completely and going to soccer style television adverts. No breaks AT ALL between innings. Three outs, both teams run on and off. Naturally, the powers that be maybe considered that for a couple milliseconds and went, uh, NFW.
True, however soccer has half time for adds though. Baseball does not.
@@rileyburnett720 into the season now and having seen games live and on a screen, big thumbs up for the speeding up process.
Also looked up the fastest game in mlb history and it was 51 minutes, 1919 Giants Phillies. That's too fast. But 140 to 180 still drags.
The pitch clock is a little too fast. MLB needs to add an additional five seconds between pitches from the fifth to eighth innings on as the starters are starting to get fatigued in the later innings AND if it is a tight game the drama builds up. Completely agree that the pitch clock should be turned off during the ninth and extra innings, plus playoff games.
Agreed, It should be 20 and 25 instead of 15 and 20. Maybe add an extra 5 seconds in the 9th inning.
I didn’t see the game so not sure what happened there. Don’t think it’s clear from this clip. Batter wasn’t ready?
yup that was pretty much it, didn't see the game so I didn't get to see where the clock was BUT if the batter isn't in the box and alert to the pitch by the mark of 8 seconds then the penalty is a strike.
War Room Guy ... Obviously you're not a fan of the game if you think it's boring. Go find something else to do.
This is ridiculous. There's no reason any baseball game should end this way... even in spring training.
I agree. This stinks for baseball. If a fan falls asleep at a major league baseball game he doesn't need to be there to start with or can't handle his beer. All these girls playing with their phones is typical. They don't care about watching baseball anyway. This is crazy.
Fr. Players shouldn't lose games like this. They know the rules, they shouldn't be throwing away games because they forgot to follow it. Really embarrassing for that Atlanta batter.
Do you really care about the final score of a preseason game?
@@nochepatada absolutely not, I care about the game taking a turn for the worst if things like this start happening.
@@itsmealex8959 if you want buzzer beaters go watch basketball, you dont need to be watching baseball... thanks!
Why don't they add timeouts. Where either team gets like 3, and then they get extra time for that at bat.
I was watching this game and was so pissed. I haven’t watch any other game since.
Me too. I absolutely love Baseball I went to 17 games last season (Didn’t have season tickets) and now I can’t watch it anymore. Baseball is a strategic sport that is not supposed to be rushed.
Imagine your team losing or winning a critical regular season or postseason game because of this situation
That'd be the hitters fault
@@itsmealex8959 for sure so the batter has till 8 seconds but the pitcher gets until 0 kinda unfair to the batter but i digress
@@JarodDd-pk6je The pitcher has to wind up - the batter doesn't. The pitcher might also shake off a sign or two, which the batter doesn't have to do.
Imagine a kicker missing after an offensive penalty. Imagine an NBA player getting called for a shot clock violation.
Imagine you are the cowboys and you call a hb draw and can't stop the clock because of shit play calling... Well you lose. That's it. No exceptions. Other sports have clocks and now baseball does too. As soon as you make an exception the rule falls apart and then it's the umps call? So now it's up to a group of people the fan base regularly derides to determine what is crucial on a case by case basis. Is bases loaded in the second different than the ninth...
That was only Spring Training, and since Spring Training games don't go to extra innings, if that were a regular season game, it would have gone into extras.
i don't get the people who complain that the game is too long. i mean, if you are so tight on time that you can't spend 3 hours at a ball game, why are you going to begin with?
I hate the pitch clock because if a stadium is packed and the crowd is loud and you cant hear the pitchcom you try and listen then boom automatic ball
There is a huge visible clock unaffected by sound
@@timnor4803 What im saying is that if u cant hear pitchcom the pitch clock screws you if you try and hear the pitch
@@that_deaf_dude99 you're deaf... and you're worried about hearing the pitch clock???
@@timnor4803 Pitchcom the thing that pitchers and catchers are using to tell the pitcher the pitch without using finger signals
@@that_deaf_dude99 make pitchcom.vibrate... problem solved
One of the best things about baseball is that there isn’t a clock. The game is over when the final out occurs. Never beat by the clock.
Blame the pitchers. Believe it or not games didn't always last for 3 hours.
Theoretically, the game could go on forever if the hitter keeps fouling off balls
@@rosca_21 The pitchers take longer because the hitters got better.
A cricket test match can take 3 days. Baseball's 3+ hour games were fine.
@@SylviusTheMad I disagree. The take longer (and batters too) because of bad habits.
I feel my love for baseball slipping away as they try to make a game so perfect being turned into a timed and rushed sport. Baseball was perfect when there weren't trying to speed the game up. I just hope it doesn't turn out as bad as it seems it will. I am a firm believer the pitcher is supposed to control the game. Now it's just hurry and get it over with. It hurts me to see the direction baseball is headed in doing anything to make the game a few minutes faster. It truly does hurt me as a true dedicated baseball fan.
Its beginning to look like football with so many arbitrary and new mechanics that sidestep the root problems they say are ruining the game. External legalistic rules about sign stealing, gambling, steroids, and the business side of baseball have been so poorly selectively enforced that its left permanent stains on an already waning game. They say that it is what it is and it just gets worse, but it's getting tougher to so much as watch the sport.
It's just moving the pace of play back to 70s and 80s baseball.
My thoughts exactly.
Agree 100%
baseball is a strategic thinking man's game and they're getting away from that.
Yep, the fun is being taken from the game. The players have done a poor job of self-managing, too. If a batter takes to long in the box, put the next one in his ear. And these pitchers that take forever... I can't watch as outfielders take positioning cards from their back pockets and pitching changes every other batter. Statcast, nerdy front offices, strikeouts, and launch angle discussions are all reasons i have zero interest anymore. I've tried to watch a few games in the past 5 years and I turn the channel every time. The players and managers do nothing but complain, usually about strike zones. It breaks my heart, as baseball was my childhood in the early 00s. I guess it's another sign of the times, as the fun and innocence are slowly being drained from our culture.
No pitch clock! End of story
It would be nice to see the entire 20 seconds. Anyone have footage of it?
Same. There is no proper explanation of it. Why was he running to first when the count was full?
@@ernieramos2792 because the catcher wasn’t even in a squat or paying attention either and since it was a full count the batter thought it was delay of game on the defense so he thought it was ball 4 for a walk off walk
I don't care who you are, but we're all going to watch how pitchers are hurt more often and batting stats plummet. The pitching clock is disastrous
We are already seeing many more injuries this season already
So u want the game to die
I think the pitch clock is good for pacing, but I agree that it's incredibly problematic if crucial moments were rushed by the clock or decided by pitch clock violations. Wait and see for now I guess, but I'd be in favor of dropping the pitch clock after the first 7 innings as my armchair scorekeeper's take.
A prediction for this year: After the pitcher makes a play at first base, there will be more untied shoelaces, smudged glasses, and issues with contacts then ever in the history of baseball!
the pitch clock is amazing. much needed addition to the sport
I strongly disagree
I think the pitch clock is okay in the regular season, just turn it off 7th inning or later in a 3 run game or less.
This feels like the best option, altough the 7th is when the bullpen really gets put into work and takes the most amount of time. We all remember Hanley Jansen not pitching. I think it can work if you just add an extra 5 seconds to this scenario.
Lol what a stupid idea. You want long games, most fans don't.
Well they ruined everything else. Now onto baseball. I'm done watching MLB, completely ruined it and now a joke of what it was.
No pitch clock in the 9th inning if the game is close...ie tying or winning run is on base or at the plate should be the rule.
Also no pitch count in 3-2 situations would be nice.
Or... no stupid clocks at all. Simple!
@@brodiwheeler7583
Unfortunately they are necessary to prevent stupid long games. No clock on 3/2 counts and the 9th inning of close games would be a great help.
The base runner is extra innings is a god awful rule change.
@@jayrod9979 I would support a clock for the umps to hustle up the players... but the pitch count should NEVER be determined by a clock... ONLY the strike zone... that’s sacred.
I am not a fan of the base runner/ghost runner thing either... I get the argument that it’s a long season and super long games affect the teams for the next days game... but imo long games is one of the cool things about baseball. But let’s face it... this boils down to money, anyone try’s to tell me it’s about gaining new fans/not losing fans... not buying it. No one is going to become a new fan of baseball because games are now 26minutes shorter on avg. It is normally a slow boring game... if people want a fast action packed game, they’ll watch hockey or basketball. Baseball just has a nature of anticipation of action, that’s why it’s so awesome when exciting plays/hits/RBI’s DO happen.
This will be a test of player IQ
Well the pace of play for actual fans of baseball wasn't ever an issue. So to me this was a change for the weak attention spans that want more bat flips and non baseball stuff in baseball games. The game just got a little more robotic and a little less human.
Dude we have to live our lives, spending 30 extra minutes watching players adjust their gloves and play with their butts without playing baseball is not baseball. I love baseball, I don’t like seeing players just stand there fiddling and not playing baseball. I got other stuff to do, the players are there to put on a product not scratch their balls
@marcus_aurelius8214 just standing there fiddling and not playing baseball..
Scratch their balls?
You love baseball, but have better things to do for the extra 30 minutes?
What a childish response, and you expect me to take you seriously lmao.
@@TheSonofabiscuit Uh yea, I’m a student I have homework and studying to do. I have an internship. I can’t spend 3.5 hours 162 times a year watching baseball. Again, we have lives to live, we can’t dedicate our whole lives to watching baseball and cutting down game times by 30-40 minutes like the MiLB did will improve the watchability for people like me drastically
No we just don't want a pitcher rubbing his nose scratching his crotch taking 100 years to throw a pitch
@@marcus_aurelius8214 Don't watch then
Just turn off the clock after 6th or 7th inning. Limiting pickup throw by 2 is also going to cause issues as you can't hold the runner anymore with the pitch clock...
They should shorten the shot clock in the nba to 8 seconds. There’s too much dribbling around doing nothing.
Ending a game like this is ridiculous
Pitch clock my ass.
The key for situations like this is the enforcement. In the minors, they don't go calling every pitch clock violation to the second like a shot clock in basketball. If a player is way over time, he will get called. Otherwise, if he's consistently a second or two behind during an at-bat or inning pitched, the umpire will give him a heads up and expect an adjustment the next time.
And that could be the only adjustment needed here. The umps have obviously been instructed to enforce the rule strictly right from the beginning of Spring Training so that everybody can get adjusted. But maybe when actually get to the regular season late-inning situations that so many people seem to be worried about, it'll work more like you described.
So umps can just call it when they feel like it. Stupid
Yea that isn’t gunna cut it. Need consistency. If you have rules enforce them or don’t have them
The pitcher or batter or manager would end up screaming in the ump's face way more often.
@@marcuspi999 Maybe, maybe not. I think that would only happen if a team felt that the ump was being inconsistent in how he applied the rule to different teams.
I'm thinking of the strike zone now. If an ump is calling a ball that's three inches off the outside corner a strike, nobody really complains if he's doing it consistently. Most complaints are when a team feels like an ump is giving the other team calls that they're not getting.
So if an ump gives a warnings to batters who are stepping in with 7 seconds left or lets a pitcher slide if he's come set but doesn't start his windup until 1/2 second after the clock hits 0, but he the same for both teams, I don't think anybody's going to complain about that. If it's worked that way in the minors, like the OP said, there's no reason it wouldn't work the same way in the Majors.
I think the pitch clock sucks...
I can see alot of managers running out screaming all season slowing down the game more
If baseball's cousin, cricket, can last forever, why baseball not?
Who thought this was a good idea ??
Everyone who watched baseball in years prior to the last 15ish. You see back then the game was played in like two and a half hours in a respectful pace not a forever between pitches step off the mound don't throw the ball these kind of things drive people crazy if you watched baseball prior
Faster games mean less hot dogs and beer being consumed
I like the pitch clock. It's great. But it should be switched off after the first out of the 9th inning, top and bottom so that the clock off does not occur
That's too arbitrary just throw the baseball or get in the Box
There’s never gonna be a No Hitter again
Guys used to pitch no hitters in 2.5 hours... gimme a break
@@timnor4803 Mark Buehrle pitched two no-hitters, one of them a perfect game. Both games lasted 2 hours, 3 minutes.
@@camicawber you get it bro
He wasn’t being timed to throw his pitches, the game was only two hours because he got 27 straight outs
@@josephsarto689 Fair enough. But the reason I picked Buehrle is that he was known for working faster than just about anybody else, anyway. And that fast pace clearly did not prevent him from throwing two no-hitters, including a perfect game.
There is a reason baseball isn't played with a clock. Something the video game generations fail to understand...
was at the game - very disappointing way to end the game. Especially with the game tied, bases loaded, 2 outs, and a full count.
Good thing the game went by faster! I'm sure all the new fans in the stadium are hooked on baseball now! They get to go home sooner instead of seeing a walk off!
It was day two of spring training. I'm sure the fourteen fans in attendance dealt with it.
Here's the solution. Let the batter do whatever he wants. The pitch is coming weather hes ready or not. It's a timer for the pitcher. Not the batter. If the batter isn't ready, so what.
It would be awfully difficult to call balls and strikes, though, if the hitter's still off to the side adjusting his gloves.
@@RatatRatRNot really. Inside/outside strike not at all. High/low maybe.
@@brendagraves1148 Given that the top and bottom literally can't be determined without the crouching batter to assess them against, yes, "maybe." They're not looking at a floating white box, you know.
@@RatatRatR You're assuming that the ball/strike umpire knows the strike zone in the first place. 🤜
@@brendagraves1148 Did you ever see that footage, actually -- I can't remember the details, but there was an umpire who was irritated at a batter taking forever to get into the box, and he motioned for the pitcher to just go ahead and throw a pitch while the batter was still way off to the side, not ready. Then the pitch he threw looked terrible, but the ump called it a strike anyway. Which, ultimately, is probably what makes sense. Just call a strike on the hitter so he's the one who's punished for not being ready.
Not the first or last time a rules violation ended a game. The pitch clock is wonderful, pitchers and hitters will adjust accordingly. The fans who are complaining are merely afraid of change. They're simply bringing baseball back to the way it used to be played.
They should turn it off in the 9th, extra innings and World Series
As an umpire for 25+ years, I find the pitch clock to be a potentially disastrous idea.
MLB is shooting itself in the foot.
A pitch clock alters the game at a fundamental level. Baseball is nore than athletes "going through the motions" and was never meant to be fast-paced like other sports can be. I jjust wonder how long it will take baserunners to see the huge benefit and start steeling bases left and right. If MLB is really concerned about pace of play, change the rule on steals to mimic Little League. I don't think this is good either, but if they eliminate a pitcher's need to focus on a runner the game will fly.
With that said, MLB needs to drop the focus on increasing "excitement" and keeping every game action packed so the game can return to its roots. Why do we need a rule on shifts? Because MLB decided it needed more home runs which altered how the game is most effectively played. They could have solved this by de-juicing the ball, but small ball isn't exciting. Why are AI strike zones coming? So they can control this aspect of the game and ultimately make it less interesting. Batters should focus on what the ump calls on a given night and adjust. Manfred has severely hurt baseball in my opinion and I have little interest in watrching a daily homerun derby, poor fundamentals, and pitchers who get pulled after 80 pitches because they go full-tilt the entire time;.
It’s attempting to get the game back to the pace it had in the 70’s or so.
The rule currently feels like an abnormal rush with the 15 second standard clock though.
Turning the clock off in innings 8 and 9 or adding a few more seconds so that the clock still is there but the pace feels balanced are two suggestions i’d like to see considered.
They aren't concerned about pace of play, they are concerned with a shorter game for broadcast contract purposes...
@@steveo3530 Isn't this partially a contradiction?
MLB is absolutely concerned with pace of play, that's what this rule is all about. Fans have shorter attention spans than ever, and as you note broadcast contracts are easier to work out with shorter games.
I think MLB needs to be honest about it's goals... think PGA vs LIV and the different formats played. Ignoring any pace-of-play, does MLB want keep baseball fundamentally what it was for the last 100+ years, or does it continue "updating" the game so it is subjectively "more exciting"? I think it's the latter, and that's a dangerous path.
I believe there are better ways to accomplish this task which don't require a clock, but MLB needs to get prohibit the data being pushed to players in-game and force them to simply play (reduce input from the bench, eliminate cheat sheets on the field, let the pitcher / catcher call pitches)... and they need to de-juice the ball to encourage more outs from hit balls than strikeouts (fewer pitches).
The historical role of the coaching team was to manage high-level game decisions and teach the intricacies of the game in practice. I don't think the modern player is less intelligent, but teams give very few of them a chance to simply play the game anymore.
@@lettuceb2336 Do you think they are going to come out and just tell us their motives? There was and is nothing wrong with the pace of play... Baseball IS NOT for everybody and the problem is that they are trying to make it for everybody. The common fan has no idea about all the games withing the game that will be affected by this... the battle between the pitcher and batter, all the cat and mouse between runners and fielders.. the pick offs, not to get a guy out, but to tire his legs diving back 3 or 4 times before he tries to steal. All those things change and that can actually drive away a lot of true fans... at the end of the day whats the driving factor?? Money. Answer me this.. are we gonna get charged less for admission on a shorter game???? Lmao, on the contrary, prices are going up... kinda weird huh..
@@steveo3530 Yep,, baseball isn't for everyone. But it's my favorite sport to watch. == there are plenty of other sports for people who need that kind of pace. (basketball,, soccer,, etc) Pure baseball fans want the game we grew up with
Let’s get the greatest pitching arms in the world, pay them a lot of money and tell them to hurry up please because I have stuff to do.
Whenever I've attended games in person, I have really appreciated the sedate pace of the game. Baseball doesn't need nonstop action.
Right but it also doesn't need pretentious people not pitching or hitting.
You're the one
It's not about non-stop action, it's just about killing unnecessary dead time. Like the one video I saw a couple days ago, where it had a game in Spring Training this year where a pitcher finished an entire half inning before the comparison pitcher during a regular season game completed two pitches.
Omg this is gonna be a disaster its going to seriously screw up a lot of players' timing. Yet another ridiculous move by this commissioner, compromising timing, established habits, and strategy all for more viewership. Baseball players tend to be very superstitious and creatures of habit and got to where they were from a set of learned skills and experience. Add this rule suddenly to a major league game, and you change the player. Now players need ANOTHER thing to worry about in addition to a multitude of other pressures, the crowd, etc. Between this, the ghost runner and the shift banning all within a few years! On the other hand, they make enough money and shouldn't complain and is just a small price to pay for the greater good if low viewership is indeed a big issue however thats no excuse. If you want to increase viewership, do a better job of marketing and building interest with our youth dont mess with the longstanding traditional rules and esrablished player habits and replace them with backyard wiffleball rules in an attempt to speed the gane up just because people today have a horrible attention span!
I think players will adjust and it will get better. If it doesn't maybe remove for ninth inning + extras. I think just give it time though
I never saw this as an issue with the pitchers, because it didn't start there. Back in the 90's, players were coached to take longer time between pitches. I know, I was one of them. The purpose was to "disrupt the pitcher's rhythm", but I thought it was nonsense. If anything, it disrupted the natural rhythm of my plate appearance. Anyway, there is no, nor has there ever been any proof it works. Sort of like icing the kicker in football. It just turned into a tradition and soon a unbreakable superstition. These players who step out of the batters box every time and adjust their gloves or kick dirt are doing that because of one simple concept: BAD HABITS. The pitcher disruption strategy has caused players to develop delay tactics which have turned into bad habits, plain and simple. I have gotten so f'ing annoyed by watching batters taking too long outside the box, I start yelling at the television. This culture in baseball needs to change. It's perfectly doable, and has been done before. In the 1970's, the average length of an MLB game was about 2.5 hours. When watching a classic game on television, you can almost be duped into thinking the network deliberately sped up the video! But no, the players actually went at a much quicker pace. There were no 20 second batter pauses between pitches. You took a pitch, took MAYBE 5 seconds and got back in the box. Many times batters even kept one foot in the box. These days, if a batter takes a low, inside ball and has to abruptly scoot their feet backward to the point all their weight is falling forward, they not only go with the momentum, but take 10 running steps to recover. That's so unnecessary and stupid, it's the baseball equivalent of a flop. Just take a step or two and get back in there. Stop with all the f'ing canned drama. Yes, this is a serious soapbox of mine. Some of my own teammates annoyed TF out of me but I never said a word. This pitch clock had to implemented to get superstition and bad habits under control. Let's not make the game into more of anything it needs to be. I support this.
Exactly. I'm an A's fan and decided to watch the "20th win" from the 2002 season. Even 20 years ago (hard to believe), the speed at which the game is played is very different. Almost as soon as the pitch was thrown (whether it was swung or not), the batter was standing in the box waiting for the next pitch. Nowadays guys adjust their gloves, braces and helmet even if they didn't swing the bat.
All these things you mentioned to me are just the strategies of playing the game of baseball. The putting a runner on 2nd base in extra innings was enough for me. The only new thing I liked is the making of the bases bigger just because it avoids the first baseman from being spiked. If spending a day at a major league ball park for a 3-hr. game is to long for people then go do something else. MLB has been very successful for a reason. I say don't jeopardize the game with all these non strategic game rules.
@@summergivens242 adjusting your jock, kicking dirt around, tightening your gloves after every pitch, helmet, practice swings are NOT strategies. They're bad habits. You're also talking about going to the park, of course people spend a day AT the park. I'm mainly talking when you're watching a game on television. None of the things I mentioned have contributed to the success of MLB.
@@ibuprofenPill Well it's been successful without all these new rules or player's wouldn't be making the ridiculous amounts they make. Will see ! If they do keep these changes you won't see me paying to watch it on T.V.
@@summergivens242MLB is as unpopular as it's ever been. If the MLB caters to fans with your mindset, the league will be dead within 20 years
If you get bored at a baseball game, then your not a baseball fan. Don’t care if there is a pitch clock or not.
Mostly true. I miss a good oid-school pitchers duall. I'm a fan of baseball, but I'm not a fan of modern MLB. I get bored watching 18 fly ball outs and 9 strikeouts because everyone swings for the fences. I get bored watching players that look to have little ability to hit to the opposite field and poor base running skills. I get bored watching a pitcher throw as hard as possible for 5 innings instead of moderating output and pitching 8 or 9 innings.
Literally add a rule where game can't be ended on violation. Allows normal flow at end of games when people are watching
I don't think I'd mind not having a clock in extra innings. But it needs to be there for the full 9 innings, if they're going to have it.
You can get rid of it in "crucial situations", because that doesn't make sense.....as "crucial situation" is EXTREMELY ambiguous. At most, you'd get rid of the clock in the 9th inning of every game..... BUT even that won't work. Here's why: I stopped watching the NBA back around 2004 because teams have too many timeouts. The final 2-3 minutes of a basketball game would take about 30 minutes REAL TIME, if it was a close game. If it wasn't a close game, then I'm probably turning the game off because it's boring at that point anyway. So there is ZERO incentive to watching NBA games to the end.
The same thing would happen in baseball. Imagine a game going at a steady pace, faster action for 8 innings... then all of a sudden it turns into a drag in the 9th, because there's no pitch clock. Baseball would become even more boring at that point.
What I find extremely stupid is the extra runner at 2nd base in extra innings. It makes no sense. It makes it so that it rewards the team that gets lucky. BOTH teams starting with a runner at 2nd base doesn't speed the game up, because both teams are given the same treatment. They both get a runner at 2nd...thus negating each other. And if you want to say: "it DOES speed the game up, because it increases the chances of at least one of those runs scoring". Well, then that's just rewarding the luckier team.
no clock in the 9th, no automatic stike-outs or walks, no clock in the postseason.
The MLB pitch clock rule is already longer than the one used in the minors, MLB is 15 secs with no one on and 20 with runners, while MiLB was 14 and 18 respectively, Also the betters in MiLB had to be ready with 9 seconds left in MiLB where MLB uses 9 seconds. College baseball has had a version of the pitch clock for over a decade. I see zero issue with this rule and frankly glad it was put in place. The average time of a game has climbed by nearly 30 minutes since the mid 70's and this will likely bring it back to close to those levels, which to me is a good thing.
I love the new rules as it keeps baseball games moving. I love the no shift rules and I love the pitcher and hitter timers! But I think they should have implemented at least one warning per team per 9 innings game. The pitchers on each team should be warned maybe 1-3 times as a team for the entire 9 inning game. Also hitters that don’t get into the box in time should also get 1-3 warnings before a violation is given. I feel 3 warnings for pitchers and 3 warnings for hitters for each team in a 9 inning game and if each team used 3 warnings on pitchers and 3 warnings on hitters it would add no more than 5 minutes to a MLB game. I don’t want to see a pitch timer or hitter timer violation end the game. MLB teams would be more cognizant of breaking the new timer rules and it would allow the teams to save their warnings to the late innings of a game. Even if each team used all their warnings it wouldn’t add but a minute or two to each game. Maybe 3 warnings is too many. Maybe pitchers should get 2 or 3 warnings per 9 inning game and maybe hitters should get only 1 or 2 warnings per 9 inning games. If a game were to go extra innings I would like one pitch timer warning and one hit timer warning per inning in any inning after the 9th inning. I love the new rules but if MLB allowed at least 1 or 2 warnings before they actually get a violation it would be an incentive for teams that didn’t break any timer violations to use them in the 9th inning or whenever they deem necessary and issuing warnings would only add a couple minutes to a game. The other thing the new rules are going to do is cause MLB stadiums to sell less food and drinks. Nobody wants to be at a 1-1 pitchers duel where the managers take out pitchers every 1-1/3 innings and it takes 4 hours to get through a game. MLB should have implemented warnings whether it’s only one warning per team or a couple warnings per team it still would be a much faster pace game. I especially believe after 9 innings each team should get a warning. You could be playing an extra innings game and it’s over 100 degrees out and a batter has 5 or 6 plate appearances already i believe giving them 3-5 more seconds of time in extra innings would be warranted!
I hope your team loses to a pitch clock violation
0:41 Typical Yankees fan
absolute b.s.
Simply extend the timer with 2 strikes
No.
Baseball has officially jumped the shark.
Baseball is dead no one gives af because of how long and Boring the games where. This could save baseball until it dies out completely because let’s face it this sport sucks lmao
@@zavthe1371 you and anyone else can just face it that you just don’t like the game... real fans always have, and always will love it. Baseball has grown steadily throughout the years and has made shit-tons of money. Anyone who agrees that balls/strikes should be determined by a pitch clock because “GaMeS tAkE tOO LoNg” can just watch the highlights after the game is over... or piss off entirely. Baseball is certainly not dead, makes more money then ever! A lot of these new rules will stick, but the pitch clock won’t.
Go back to normal!!!
I have a solution. Allow the 9th inning and any extra inning to operate without a pitch clock. If a game manages to end without the bottom of the 9th being played then suspend the pitch clock in the bottom of the 8th of the next game between those two same teams if the home team is the same and the road team is the same or the top of the 8th inning if the home team and the road team switch among those two teams for their next game between each other. I wish that I had thought of this idea last year when this video was first released. Maybe we would have gotten the ball rolling then, and we would not have to worry about games ending this way for very much longer.
I have mixed feelings about this new rule it speeds up the game but at the same time it's too excessive like earlier when the Red Sox and Braves game ended on a violation Rob Manfred has to do something about it before the World Series
How is it too excessive? The batter had plenty of time to get set, he was just farting around instead of adhering to the rule. By October everyone will be used to it so you're not gonna have this problem. Quit being dramatic.
There are no ties in the regular season or playoffs, so it wouldn't end the game. It isn't hard to get in the box within 8 seconds. Now maybe players will pay attention.
@@LinkRocks Agreed it's also still something us fans need to get used to as well
This happened in February, dude, I'm pretty sure they'll be more used to it by the World Series.
Clocks don’t belong in Baseball! Especially with penalty of pitch count and outcome of game consequence. You want a timer for Umpire to hustle up a player... fine. But changing the structure of the game after it’s been around for nearly 150 years... that’s horseshit.
Baseball was perfect. It's unrecognizable nonsense now.
In my opinion, The violation should only be in forced if they are not in the batters box. I was taught that once the batter was in the batters box, that it was then legal for the pitcher to pitch the ball. If the batter wasn't ready it was their own fault. In this case, where the Braves batter was in the batters box there should have been no violation. The pitcher should have been able to pitch the ball no matter if the batter was ready or not.
it's Umpire's judgment to determine if the batter was 'alert to the pitch," he felt he wasn't which is why they worded it like that.
The rule is fine as-is. Batters will adjust. I doubt any regular season game will be impacted in this way.
It's like chess, the clock is part of the game. No more waiting for the analysts to come up with the perfect pitch while you waste time. Player are going to have to learn to think on their feet, like athletes do in every single sport, and like they already did on defensive plays. I prefer a dynamic game, it definitely going to make me more likely to watch and finish more games.