THE ALARMING TRUTH ABOUT ANTI-MORMONISM
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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Here's a new episode of us responding to Mormon apologetics so you don't have to! This video is a response to "The Alarming Truth About Anti-Mormonism" from the Happiness Seekers website. Dustin, we're here for you.
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Zelph On the Shelf my dear friend since you are an atheist, I cordially invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM.
I'm sure that all your fellow atheists would love to financially support someone who has the COURAGE to stand up for his atheistic beliefs.
If you choose to ignore or to reject my invitation, it would be crystal clear to ALL YOUR FOLLOWERS that you do not believe that which you preach no pun intended.
Do you accept my invitation?
Why should they accept?
That nonsense has been debunked LONG before Mormonism came along.
The Book of Mormon debunks Mormonism!!
Davey Jones you stated " why should they accept "
They should accept my invitation, to prove me wrong in front of those who help suport him financially, so they know that their money is going to someone who is truly an ATHEIST, and not a charlatan mascarading as one of "them".
Davey Jones you stated: "that nonsense [ theism ] has been debunked LONG before Mormonism came along"
If that were true, the atheists would be the majority among the worlds population, and theism would be be nearly eradicated from the face of the Earth.
500 years ago practically all Europeans believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth.
Galileo DEBUNKED that false teaching,and now practically all humanity knows for a fact, that all those Europeans who believed and taught that the Sun revolved around the Earth were wrong,thus most people around the world REJECT that foolish pseudo scientific claim.
Thus, if theism "has been DEBUNKED" why are are theists still the majority of the Earth's population?
Davey Jones you stated "the Book of Mormon Debunks Mormonism"
I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE THAT STATEMENT.
You see, making a claim and proving it are two completely different things.
Now if you are truly an ATHEIST, why don't you fight for your beliefs by accepting my invitation to refute the syllogism titled Book of Mormon Debunks Atheism?
The greatest "anti-mormon" material there is comes straight from church sources.
"Two of Joseph's wives were twenty years his junior" is a nice of way of saying that they were 14-16 year old girls.
Josh Kim He also had sister and mother daughter sets. forbidden in the Bible but it's OK for Joseph Smith. He also childishly put his name throughout the whole Bible. It's talking about Joseph in Egypt and then all of a sudden it mentions Joseph Smith of the united States. how stupid to think that that would be left out of the Bible.
14? So what. In Joseph Smith's time, the legal age for marriage in New York was 14. Marriage at that age was not frowned upon in that time. My wife is a genealogist, and she has several people in her linage who were married that young. :o)
So are you saying that because the idea that someone in his thirties marrying someone who is a teenager back then was ok by that society's standards, that means that it's ok? What if I told you that I had sex with a sixteen year old when I was in my late 20's? Was it also ok for Joseph Smith to use his position as prophet to promise salvation or threaten damnation if these girls said no in order to motivate their decision? According to Tom Compton's In Sacred Loneliness it was justified that a woman could leave her husband in order to get sealed to a man with higher priesthood authority in order to have better status in the celestial kingdom. And because Joseph Smith, being the prophet and holding all the keys, had the highest priesthood authority it was justified that he could have a crack at someone else's wife. Does this not sound like doctrinal justification that can lead to gross abuse of power? Joseph Smith also made some of these proposals when the girl's support network was absent and she was going through some kind of traumatic change. Is this the best time to be leveraging your authoritative position as a coercive influence to get the girl to say yes? Is this ok just because we are to believe that God commanded it, Joseph was threatened by an angel with a drawn sword, and there is no way that God's golden prophet of the restoration can do no wrong? If these circumstances happened in any other group or were perpetuated by any other person than Joseph Smith you would say "charismatic cult leader."
All cults cater to their fleshy lusts, polygamy, polyandry, pedophilia, power, pride, wealth, etc.
Josh Kim that's what I was thinking
*tanner* : we're all part of the illuminati
*me* : notices triangles on the wall lol
I escaped LDS right after my mission 25 years ago. Tried to be Christian for the last decade. When my church started a series about evil Mormonism, they convinced me that all churches were just different lies. This video nailed it when they said any argument about Mormonism can be used against Christianity as a whole.
Not true. Can you give me an example?
By the end, this made perfect sense. I was thinking the whole way through, "How does this guy possibly think he is convincing anyone of what he's saying?" Then, as soon as he revealed the depths of his OWN doubts, it made perfect sense. He's not trying to convince someone else - he's trying to convince himself. He's slowly realizing that his worldview with which he's been programmed his whole life is crashing down around him, and his last ditch effort to try and salvage it is to convince himself that he would decline into moral turpitude without it. I genuinely hope he realizes that's not the case, because he actually seems like a good and pretty intelligent person. I was lucky; I've never experienced this crisis of faith personally - at least not with religion. Though my parents did take my brother and me to a Protestant church until I was about 12, they left and took us out when the church's choir director, who .was/is one of their best friends, was excommunicated when the pastor found out he was gay. My parents had known this all along and fully supported it, and they thankfully took this opportunity to realize that they could raise their children to be moral and empathetic people without religion, which we are, so my 'transition' to atheism was hardly a battle. But for those for whom it is, I wish the best, and want to support anyone I possibly can. Thank you guys again for another awesome video.
First of all, what Mormons call anti-Mormon are people who care enough for your souls to tell you the truth.
I'm anti-Mormonism and I don't care about their souls!
Their souls are in no danger.
It's false beliefs (Mormonism, Scientology, Islam) that are simply a waste of precious time and money!
There are better things to occupy ones mind (and pocketbook) than ANY religion.
Or.. care for your minds and reasonable social progress.
Most atheists don’t believe we have souls or anything supernatural like that. Unless you just use that word as a metaphor for.. something. the human spirit, so to speak
Hi Hale
just saw your comment here. wanted to ask if you know how the investigators can receive knowledge through revelation ?
is there a way they can know what’s true and what’s not using this experience ?
That’s a mixed bag, most anti Mormon apologist also known as evangelicals really enjoy pointing out who is going to Hell. Atheist apologists don’t believe in souls but are really in to the discovery of personal truth. As A person who still deeply believe in God but holds that all religious dogma is basil’s man made crap. I am also on a journey for personal truth. As my only point of evidence. I can reference NDEs even atheist have them. They point to all a loving God who has no interest in religiosity, the main lesson is learning to love yourself and others. Love and hate cannot exist in the same place.
As well as those who understand that souls (and other magical things) don’t exist and have decided to help society and enjoy the one life we actually do get
My mission president posted this and I read the entire thing. I just shook my head because of how single minded he was 🙄🙄🙄
Bailey Hugo I shake my head at how single minded Mormons are
Good work guys! The concepts that you're putting forth in this video are so simple they're actually lost on a lot of TBM's because they've been taught their entire lives that they can't actually be good enough. So for you guys to say that you're atheist and totally at peace with yourselves and actually help other people, kind of blows their minds.
I'll say this, there is no comparison to the moment when you realize you're atheist and you always have been and that it fits with every single experience that's happened to you in your life. You never again have to do mental gymnastics to make sense of goofy religious teachings that, in your heart, you know can't be right.
Remember religion needs you, you don't need religion.
Does seeing the parallels with Scientology help? It has helped me.
I think so, my brother's departure from the church was much more abrupt than mine, I think because he had become interested in how scientologists and jehova's witnesses operate, and saw the similarities.
It was helpful in regards to understanding that I grew up with unrealistic expectations forced upon me. And seeing that the state of my mental and emotional health isn't as simple as me being overly emotional.
The BOM gives me a mental wet willie compared to the sanity of Carl Sagan, Matt Dillahunty, and Christopher Hitchens.
LOL'ed at "mental wet willie"
The articles says, _"Perhaps with all the temptations that abound, it’s just easier not having to worry about a God who will hold us accountable for our choices."_
Yes it is easier, but not because of "temptations". It's easier because you don't have to worry about considering additional judgments or input from someone _completely irrelevant_ to any choice you make in your life. Moral choices are based, hopefully, on a rational consideration of how it will affect those _real and relevant_ people involved. _That's why!_ And honestly, that is how real life works anyways!
edit: Also, in the process of trying to justify his discrimination towards gay couples, he's exposing the problems of a perfect heaven.
_"...every time society allows one choice, one lifestyle, one belief to be honored above another, someone must feel dishonored. And nothing creates more anger and unrest than to be dishonored, to be respected less than your peers."_
So I can imagine a world in which I get the perfect amount of attention and praise for anything I do. I never feel dishonored and always feel accepted by everyone whom I come in contact with. In a heaven with so many people who have the ability to put themselves in another's shoes, how could envy or jealousy _not_ arise?
So will there be "radical equality" in heaven? If so, then either radical equality isn't really that bad, or heaven isn't really that great. If not, then how much discomfort, inconvenience or annoyance will exist before one can no longer consider it heaven? What constitutes eternal happiness?
Anti-mormonism = knowledge of truth. simply put. Joseph Smith was a false blasphemous prophet. I say that with non biased 100% certainty. if it were true than it would show. It is the easiest mythology to disprove simply because Joseph Smith made so many bougus claims.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOU TWO. I love your humor, intellect, and repartee. You have just the right balance (seemingly very naturally) of identifying less-than-reasonable statements (read: idiocies) using humor without resorting to blatant cruelty. From one Utah Ex-Mo to two others, keep up the good work of spreading truth and light.
Just found your channel and I LOVE you guys. Completely summarize how I feel. Having grown up with mormon family (not mormon myself), this is how I feel on so many issues.
As a spiritual pagan, who practices wicca and general witchiness basically, I have felt more spiritual and included and loved in a church of England church, with I might add a female.vicar "gasps" than I have ever felt when I was niave enough to join the mormon cult, when I was 14, I've been inactive since being 25 I am now 33, and never been happier ❤
Instead of attacking straw men, the apologists should try to convince you of their position. But they would rather rant about ideas that no one holds and make false accusations of others.
I love how tanner makes fun of the way Sam says “battery”
Most of us refuse to even have a discussion with Justin (too primitive).
Equality is not enough today; marginalized and oppressed people groups don't want equality, we want equity!
Mormonism is not only wrong because it isn't true; it is primarily wrong because it is a systemic solidification of non equity.
I rarely seek out church stuff any more, but you guys nail it so well that I always watch these.
COME ON NO CONFERENCE?
LOL ... I see that wanna-be (*JEDI MORMON*) is pretending to be me (JediMormon), but you can't beat the genuine article, baby!
You should report him to youtube as impersonating yourself.
*"emulation is the best form of adulation."*
True, and I'm not upset over someone copy-catting my RUclips name. It just gives me more material for humor; i.e. "My young Padawan". :oP
"There is no price on Truth." Amen. Hard to believe that not that long ago, I would have agreed with this entire article. "Dustin, see you soon." LOL
You summed it up perfectly with the first line of the video "This is going to be awful as well." Though I am quite pleased to see it was an article that actively argued against equality by calling supremacy true equality. That was a new one for me.
Beautifully done. Thank you for putting into words the frustrations I had reading this article.
I bough a new house. An angel appeared to me and told me there was a book of golden plates hidden in my attic . He said the plates were a revised update to the plates Jophet Smith got. I tried to read them but unfortunately i do not have the magic specitals Jophet Smith had. If anybody know where i can get them let me know and I will fulfill mormonic future. Seer stones would be a help as well, don't worry about the hat I have one.
Has anyone checked out the book, "Gay Kinky Mormon"? I just started reading it. It is pretty revealing about the Mormon Church and the way it makes people feel guilt.
I absolutely love you guys. Thank you for your very light humor. I love the fact you don't take any of the negative posts too serious. Wise life's too short. God bless you both
Just have to say you guys are doing an amazing job keep up the good work!
I like how basically his argument is “I have no justification for Mormonism’s crap, so I’ll just make atheism seem worse.”
I love you two so much. This is fantastic!!
I love and respect both of these amazing, intellectual, giants of atheism here in Utah. However, i did feel a somethin' when sam in exasperation said, "urgh, its so long Tanner!" 😂 I'm immature, i know but seriously. I love everything about Sam.
Sincerely a lesbian fan ;)
Okay are we gonna talk about how Tanner really just spewed gold at the end there. That was so beautiful. God y’alls minds are amazing
Hey you two, I have watched most of your videos and I am truly grateful for being saved from getting baptized into the Church of soul destroying lies...especially when I was at my very lowest and experiencing rock bottom through the emotional turmoil that comes during/or for me after an ectopic pregnancy...yes the missionaries used it saying I would get to raise my baby Bonnie in the afterlife...cruel right...except they turned up with a couple who were also older missionaries who had lost children themselves (although separate)...very sad, my heart when out to them as clearly they genuinely believed it themselves...mindset's get incredibly damaged during the grieving process...however I am despite saying all of the above beginning to shift back To the Catholic Church myself (I have not yet converted) but their support and kindness was for me the most authentic and loving....I haven't watched one of your video's for over a week but I wanted to say thank you. Also I know Tanner that spirituality having left one church (I was baptized/total submersion C of E in 2013, Exeter Cathedral.) can be tough...but I wanted to see if either of you have heard of The Quakers....they practice something that may be more closely aligned with what you Tanner have expressed you feel in other videos...) ruclips.net/video/3H08cyXVYDw/видео.html 9 Core Quaker Beliefs...and another video about how green and politically active they are Sam...(I appreciate that this may not be your cup of tea seeing as you now consider yourself an atheist...ruclips.net/video/5z07VLcsyrk/видео.html ....something past my intuition was prompting me to share this with you two...Peace either way.
I adore both of you so much
Todd C hey Todd your awesome dude 😀 keep your
Todd C keep your head up 😀
SEE YOU SOON, DUSTIN
Good points as usual, love this series!
I love you guys. Much Love to you guys. Its so funny when i ask bishops about blacks and the priesthood they dont know what to. To is one crazy cult.
I love that the author gets sooooo close to understanding atheism and egalitarianism and then he just flops back onto his cult as it is the only thing he has.
Mormons have long seemed to me to be a hair's breadth from atheism since it doesn't rely on faith in God and his character so much as your own personal testimony, an experience. When that goes, the whole thing comes down. Mormons who have a love for the Bible seem to fare better coming out faith-wise.
Watching this helps strengthen my "REVERSE testimony" of mormonism.
Apart from watching uploads such as these though, I stand in front of the mirror each day, and repeat the following:
"I know Joseph Smith was a FALSE prophet and the Book of Mormon is a product of the 19th century."
It feels energising and wonderful when I do this, and I also get that wonderful spiritual witness that the mormons promise...but never happens. Words cannot do justice to how great this feels.
Most anti mormons do NOT receive, or seek such a spiritual witness as they rely ONLY on evidence, reason , careful research and common sense. However, having spiritual experiences as an anti mormon, is a wonderful bonus for a few of us.
David Holdstock I think that was a technique advocated by Elder christofferson wasn't it I'm pretty sure I saw that in like the Seminary teachers manual what I was doing a video on it recently saying something like tape record yourself reading the Joseph Smith story testimony and listen to it and tell it you believe it I'm like you got to be stinking kidding me how is it that somebody doesn't realize what that is the actual words were a little different at the end something like it will facilitate the spirit testifying to you I'm like how can anybody be so mind-wash not to realize that this is mind washing
i missed you guys
Robin Clonts 💜💜💜
Great Video. That was one of the worst of his recent articles. So terrible.
What a great video, I love the end where you speak to the author about how you recognize where he is at. Very powerful.
when I became an atheist, i didn’t know how much fun “sin” was... now i’m a big old SINner, but lord almighty am I having fun!!! 💚
So much respect for you two
Why does leaving Mormonism automatically mean losing God altogether? Isn't is possible to think critically for one's self, read the Bible, and find a deep connection with the Creator of the Universe? Isn't it evident that there is "Intelligent Design?" Not feeling based, BUT evidence based!!! God is still real. Right? Do you ever think that you both are loved and cared for by a God is who NOT a bully?
JEM Seven, what you just pointed out is exactly why LDS is a cult. Jesus is how we receive salvation, not a church... God is the relationship, NOT any church. So back to my question: dump the self-serving church. But keep God. We all need a relationship with the divine. There are so many benefits of being in relationship with the Creator. Why can't really fine Mormons like these two FIND their faith in Scripture taught by a Bible-honoring church?
JEM Seven, your compassionate insight impresses me. It's like becoming a man-bashing feminist because the ex-husband was a lying, adulterous, abuser. One a$$hole is not an accurate statistical sampling of half the human population... I hate that ex-Mormons lose Jesus. I hate that ex-Mormons lose their salvation. I hate that ex-Mormons lose the knowledge of All Powerful God's all powerful love for them. I hate that ex-Mormons lose. Period. They succeed in leaving the lie, but fail to keep traveling to the destination of TRUTH. If I was satan, counterfeit religious cults (like LDS and Islam) would be my top strategy for ruining eternity for billions of people made in the image of God.
Mormonism did not exist until 1830, people followed and lived for Jesus before that, so it does not.
It's NOT evidence based though. You're still lying to yourself. There's NO evidence of intelligent design that hasn't been debunked if you actually go out and do the research from an objective point of view, rather than just ignoring the stuff you don't like.
The short answer to your question, as proven IN your own comment, is NO. It's apparently NOT possible to be religious and think critically. You just proved that by claiming that intelligent design is in any way evidence based.
My sister who left the church at 18 left because she thinks the LDS church is a lie of the devil. She came to this conclusion by reading the bible/the same historical and doctrinal issues as you guys. She has since been a very devout, fanatical, Christian and was even baptized and married in the catholic church.
I left and became a Taoist/wiccan hybrid.
My best friend left and became a Christian Buddhist.
Haha. People leave the church cause it isnt true. But that doesn't ALWAYS mean they become atheists. (And besides, there is nothing wrong with being atheist.)
Love you guys!
commenting for support
It's interesting that he thinks the darkness and the abyss were on the Left and the light is on the Right. It definitely shows his political leanings.
Ah, I love you guys.
Bro, You are a damn good rapper. And you truly flow free style. Much love to you guys.
steve Snipes thanks man!
I love y'all so much. As a convert, I relate to you Tanner about your search for truth. I would love to connect with you.
Thanks for your videos
Maximizing Your Fullest Potential / Michael Friant Samantha is the convert!
I'm saying as a convert myself.
I fell in love with y'all through the Mormonism and me video by Tanner. So beautifully stated. Especially when you described how you just wanted truth and not the whitewashed story they present.
The reference to Presbyterianism is because Joseph smith specifically pointed that denomination as particularly evil.
Happy New Year!
Hey Tanner & Samantha, (1) Keep up the good work. So I must know...who did the Mormon Lip Reading clip? It's brilliant. I've been laughing off & on all day. (2) Like you, I've been examining new ways to experience spirituality and searching for new beliefs that are actually supportable. I'd like to share a couple of stirring ideas/perspectives that I've found during my journey. Let me know if you're interested; if so I'll send you the dixie-cup version to begin with.
Rusty Schackleford Definitely! Send us the file through a message on our FB page. Or just paste it, whatever works. :)
I liked the doTERRA comparison!!! LOL
Love what you guys do! Keep it up
Believing NOTHING is far better than believing something false...ie, Mormonism.
I also grew up LDS. Served a mission, Married my wife in temple etc. a year in a half ago I left the church for the Truth the way and life Jesus Christ. Jesus is god in the flesh he is our creator the 1 and only true and living god. If you deny the truth in this life he will deny you in judgement. Jesus died for you, if you don’t have faith in him you will perish. Consider this a warning. We are in the end times, the groom is coming for his Bride and you are on the wide road that leads to destruction. God Bless!
So you left one cult and joined a new one. Got it.
Really enjoyed this video guys! Not only did I laugh but I could really relate. I recently had a faith crisis in Mormonism and I feel like I'm really starting to enjoy life! Thanks
If you study the parable of the sower, you will notice that it gives the various ways of having a faith crisis from the true church, but that it doesn't say that the participants converse with each other and congratulate one another. This doesn't men they don't do it, and you have proven they do - nothing more.
Eric Lawton If you actually study and follow Christ's teachings you will see the error in your view. All the best
My view was that the parable didn't say that the pissweak failures would compliment each other. Now, I don't care how much anyone studies Christ's teachings, they will not see any error in that. You are welcome to point one out, if that's your opinion, but I am certain you are just a bozo who is pissin in my ear, and I won't get a thing from you. As for following Christ's teachings, that will not point out an error where no error exists. Tell me? One who has been LDS, - did you join because we weren't following Christ's teachings? Now, of the 50,000 sects that pretend to teach Christ's teachings, which is it that has changed your mind? Why didn't you go there first? What teachings are right in yours and wrong in ours?
Finally, why does a Christian compliment someone who is preaching atheism? Apart from it being plainly stupid, it does meet Satan's standard of anything is good, just as long as it opposes Mormonism. Yes, even Christians support atheists. The poof David Holdstock is just the same. That Little in your name stands for little sense.
" Finally, why does a Christian compliment someone who is preaching atheism? "
The biblical God is an athiest. He doesn't believe in any Gods or having a God himself.
Isaiah 45:5
"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:"
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He also says that you have no chance of being a God either, declaring his Athiesm to be eternal and unchangeable..........
Isaiah 45:5
"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."
You really are an idiot. If the biblical God says there are no others besides Him, then He can't be an atheist - He has to believe even He is not a God for that to be true.
Your take on Isaiah is dependent on conditions after death, and God was speaking to the living about their current conditions. While this world continues with mortals on it, there are no real Gods but the one true God. However, it doesn't mean in another realm and time there are not multiple Gods. As His children, we are capable of being just like He is. You really are an idiot.
left the Mormon church, Still believe in God, Still believe in the bible.
Love this, but the sound cuts out and becomes really quiet right when you change batteries...
lsun5322 We had to switch to an iPhone halfway through because we couldn't find our other equipment :/ So turn it up at that point, anyone else!
Nice to see Sam with my hair color, I’ve been super envious of her current color, but she is gorgeous either way.
Oh I saw this article, its literal cancer and killed me inside a little
Dustin is wrong that ex-mormons can't fit themselves into another church or Christian belief pattern. I have communicated with many who have happily become Pentecostal, Catholic, Episcopal, or are enthusiastically involved in a nondenominational church. Many do become Atheist or Agnostic, which is understandable after getting away from the craziness of Mormonism.
All an LDS has to do to become Christian is give up the correct Godhead and switch to the incorrect, insane and impossible trinity. He then has to abandon the one God - one true church notion for 50,000 sects belonging to Jesus; exactly opposite to what Jesus said. It takes a massive sin to make that sort of a backflip.
Eric Lawton The Word of God specifically warns us repeatedly about getting caught up in those places... And if people would actually read it like they're supposed to without combining it's teachings with false doctrines, then they would realize that none of those church's are teaching them the Word of God.
Amos8 says In this time God causes a famine to come over the land, not of bread and water, but of hearing the word of God, and you will search here and there and will not find it...
So many religious cult followers end up getting out becoming supposedly atheists and depression creeps in and the commit suicide or worse.
The Trinity is cool!
cuinn837 it's very necessary in a way.
God the Father can't dwell with because we would be destroyed by the all consuming fire that is Gods love, the Bridegroom is away preparing a place for us, so in His absence He gave us the Holy Spirit as our comforter.
鍾益飛 it's not insane. Just as the husband and wife become one in marriage and have a child who is flesh of their flesh bone of their bone blonde of their blood. And is a reflection of His Father in heaven who gives Him all power and authority.
Mormonism is insanity though.
This guy really needs to get outside of America and travel to the medieval Christian sites of Europe particularly in the Balkans and he'll see real, humble devout Christians.
i used to be in the church but they lied so much so i left
Joe Stark first and foremost the church is considered perfect, its members are not. You cannot realistically expect a church run by humans to be 100% perfect. Has the church made mistakes, yes. Do those mistakes make the church any less true, no. Critics of the church ignorantly believe that it is the responsibility of the church to educate its members on the entirety of church history. The purpose of Sunday worship services is to teach the thing that will bring us closer to Christ. Anything else is up to the individual member to learn. The information is easily accessible, but not everything you find is accurate.
Interestingly enough, everything you said here is echoed by apologists for the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches - both of which have a far more impressive pedigree in Christian history than the LDS Church.
Adam Johnson Ignorance? The church itself is loaded with ignorance, double standards, and cult controlling aspects. Do people raised in the church really have a testimony when they spend their entire life programmed to say it?
The amount of cover ups, misinformation, and alternate histories just blow my mind. I was raised in the church, and I know far more about the truth looking at it from the outside then I ever did on the inside. So much time was spent talking about Joseph smiths history, yet they completely left out the massive list of things that he did, and his inherit scamming nature. A vast majority of the churches members are completely unaware of these things, and that’s lying by omission. People bear testimonies on half assed information, and that just makes me laugh.
The church claims to value the truth, that it take criticism from ex Mormons, and is about living Christ like. These are all blatant lies, the church actively hides the truth, ignored ex Mormons, and is taking action against its own members who call them out for being un Christ like, especially with John Dehlin and Sam Young who are trying to protect children and members who have struggles. Sam will most likely be Excommunicated tomorrow for trying to protect the children, being inspired by Christ. John is trying to reduce the suicide rate of youth in the Mormon church, and he was excommunicated.
The church and it’s disallowance of black people in history was proven to be a lie, and I can tell you with certainty that the restriction of gay people from being members is just an arbitrary rule set by bigoted clergy that is being upheld until they waver like they did with the racial problems. Doubling down is a solid reason for Utah’s youth suicide rate being so high, and it is extremely un Christlike to destroy families, create apostates out of people who had no choice, and destroying the lives of many who realize this later on. The church is shrouded by layers of ignorance, my family alone block out any outside influence to maintain a strong faith. This is a cult, and that is a prime example of a person being controlled by a cult. They are sexually repressed until they fulfill a church marriage, they have to wear garments, they must pay 10% of their income, and if you fail to do any of these things you are threatened with your damnation for eternity in outer darkness. This is a cult! Until you can objectively look at the reality of the situation, and realize that spiritual feeling is being used as a control mechanism (I get that “holy ghost still small voice” feeling when thinking about pornography and drinking, it is nothing more then a feeling). When the foundations of your faith hinge on feelings, one sided history, and the so called revelations given by man, it has a foundation of sand. When put under the microscope, it is exposed and cannot stand up to its own weight. If you cannot see this, you are not objectively thinking, or lack the comprehension to do so. It is not easy when you spend your whole life programmed by a cult.
The BOM gives me a mental wet willie compared to the sanity of Carl Sagan, Matt Dillahunty, and Christopher Hitchens.
Mormanism= Narcissism
so cute how nervous sam is in this video. idk if she's more comfortable on camera now or just better at hiding her nerves but regardless SAMANTHA ur doing amazing sweetie !!!!!!!!!!!!!! uwu
Omg THANK YOU!!!! I think I was just more depressed here?! Can’t fully remember!!
@@ZelphOntheShelf well if that ain't a mood. glad you're less depressed these days!!! regardless of the reason it's great to see how you've evolved in your work. ily!!!
I want to hear more about Tanner's tarot card thoughts!
You even say "shit" better than us, Sam!
Great video guys. Can you do a comparison between reading church essays and Neo discovering the Matrix? :) That would be interesting.
LMFAO!! While playing Trivia Crack, got a question about what drinks do Mormons not drink while watching this video, thanks for the answer :D
His point #3 about atheistic morality is illogical and not supportive of human life and happiness. Ayn Rand's philosophy of objectivism which is based on the objective value of human life is more in tune with what an atheistic morality would evolve into.
Jesus has priesthood authority! No one else. He is our high priest.
Watching this seven years later- has this person fully deconstructed yet? This reads like someone who is on their way out
A Zelph video without the Paddington picture?! Well I never! 😤 :: clutches perls and stalks off in a huff ::
Why the focus on Christianity? Do those of us who converted to another, non-Christian religion just not count as ex-mormons?
Have you ever looked into Secular Buddhism? It is a form of Buddhism which does not necessarily adhere to Religious Dogma or Practice. It focuses on mental and spiritual development through a practice of ethical behavior and meditation. Blind faith is discouraged. It follows the Buddha’s path of free inquiry and empirical research into the nature of the mind and the end of one’s suffering.
Yes, we could definitely be described as secular Buddhists, not that we really define ourselves! :)
(Always recommending Noah Rashetta’s “Secular Buddhism” podcast to people!)
I'm an example of an ex-mo who turned to another form of Christianity. Joseph Smith has NOTHING in common with Jesus Christ. He can't hold a candle to a true Hebrew prophet, either. Polygamy was part of the cultural fabric of Old Testament times, not a commandment from God. Polygamy was hostile to the culture of 19th century America. It was not at all appropriate for Joseph Smith to bring it back. I know you guys already know this, but I thought I would say this anyway. It is so sickening to hear someone compare Joseph Smith to Jesus Christ.
John Lee thanks for staying in the moron cult.. hopefully some day you find the “true” church of god.
I love the gentle correction the innocence and the nice recovery on the silent T in tarot card
Yeah this is an old video, but I've got something to say. At about 20:45, Tanner says that he thinks Christianity was an improvement on Judaism. As a atheist who was raised Jewish, I have some serious issues with that. I could write an entire essay, but let's just say that IMO, all Christianity did was take Judaism, which is already dumb and wrong, and add a second layer of stupidity and wrongness on top of it. Then Joseph Smith came along and added a third.
I value truth above everything else. This is a blessing, because truth will indeed set "anyone" free. Seeking truth above all else is in fact the way out of mormonism. (out and free)
The dark storm he sees is the experience of truth. The unknown, the unpredicable, the stprm is truth. Learning to ride the waves is the hope.
"not respect, had god" extreme yoda voice
TO ALL READERS I invite all atheists to post a rebuttal that addresses the following syllogism titled Book of Mormon Debunks Atheism.
1) There can be no creation WITHOUT a Creator [ 2 Nephi 2:13-14 ]
2) the Universe was created 13.7 billion years ago
3) An omnipotent being ie God created the Universe 13.7 billion years ago
There are only TWO ways that the above syllogism can be debunked.
A) by proving that Universe is eternal,which would negate the need for a the Cosmos to have a Creator. However science has PROVEN that the Universe was created 13.7 billion years ago, thus attempting to prove that the Universe is eternal is an exercise in futility.
B) by proving that the Universe created itself. However LOGIC DICTATES that that which is non existent cannot create itself,simply because there is NO itself in the first place. EX NIHILO NIHIL FIT Latin for out of nothing comes nothing.
I invite all our readers to MONITOR this post, so you can all ascertain that no one can debunk the above syllogism,which VALIDATES my claim that said logical argument proves that the Book of Mormon debunks atheism.
10:05 really love this point. The joy of the religious story/lesson and debunking it all… it’s truly a strange and wonderful middle ground
We have learned through sad experience that when anyone uses the word profound in church we're about to get hit with a load of b******* that's probably double true on a high Council Sunday
Since the word profound has been introduced into the conversation I think I'll ask a really profound question which is is it necessary for one to live in Utah or to have Pioneer Heritage to use the term" and whatnot"??
Another philosophical question do you think I should feel rejected now that I've been excommunicated from three different subreddits having to do with Mormonism including LDS Latter Day Saints and ex-mo,? And don't assume doesn't play well with others as a valid reason
As food for thought you know mind control is used on a lot more of us than just in a religious context to get us to reject certain ideas immediately I would say that mind control used within Mormonism is a microcosm especially considering the network relationship between some of the top brethren in LDS ink and other powerful people in the world
"Struggle under the banner of equality..." Isn't that what a bad guy says to Bond? Or Trump to the US?
I was forced to go to the LDS church until I was 13. I can honestly say I never once believed anything I was told. Might have had to do with the fact I did not even accept that nonsense into my thoughts because I was so young.
John Lee John Lee.. making all Mormons look great. As Jesus said.. have a nice non accountable life.. the Mormon church is full of lies
John Lee I was never Mormon since it’s a false religion. I’m just appalled that you consider yourself a “Christian” and are thanking him for leaving. True believers rejoice when the 1 out of 99 returns.. that’s in the Bible btw not the bom
As an ex mormon I'm so glad that the apologist can talk so well for all of us. Lol. Love u guys.
As far as answering Jesus with because Jesus. Why the bible or scriptures, because the bible and holy scriptures. What? How does that ever make sense the question and the answer is the same? Well I just use anything else. Because ice cream! Because Grace Jones!!! Because oceans! Its so irritating when people try to answer the question with the base of question itself.
Normally I've watched your entire presentations on this one this is like the second time I've just dropped in on a little bit of it I'm feeling a little abstract if I'd I'm wondering if en Theo gens recommended 2 hours before tuning in? I'm loving the effects of voice to text right now it's a little too frustrating at times I do love the way you to think and share honestly what your checking out
What's alarming is that your religion teaches that you're going to become a god in the afterlife. Another thing that's alarming is that you're religion teaches that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are brother, spirit or otherwise. These alarming facts go against the Bible, and should make you question the validity of your faith in this restored gospel, invented by Joseph Smith Jr.
I kinda feel like the article got confused, and just started using atheist and anti-mormon as interchangeable term; which they aren't. as you guys said, you can be atheist and just not care about religion at all.
Everyone either chooses to follow Christ or they follow Satan either by choice or by default. Christ did not mock or laugh at anyone and neither do His followers. No true Christian mocks or laughs at others. There are no Christians either in charge of, being entertained by, or trying to be educated by, or in any way giving support to this site. I need no more evidence of what I say than I would need to prove the existence of an ocean while at the beach.
I'm not a Mormon. I don't understand abstaining from tea.
Also, when you leave Mormonism, are you shunned by other Mormons--family and friends who are Mormons?
"shunning"
No, that is not a practice of Mormons, and we are encouraged to love and understand them. But Mormons are human, and it can happen.
cdowis and so you do abstain from tea?
Yes, green or black tea. Herbal tea is ok.
cdowis is it the caffeine?
I don't know if caffeine is on green tea.
Regarding evidence/faith:
The bible says that "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".
What I "hope for" is the TRUTH. Evidence that I CAN SEE should never be trumped by evidence I CAN'T SEE!!
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6:40 WooHOOO! :D
hey you guys are fun
Just saw you in my recommended.
One of the most secular nations in the world also boasts one of the best education systems in the world, this same country also has one of the healthiest populations and is of the "happiest / contented" populations - Finland - this study included immigrants. So again tell me how religion makes us all better people? (FYI on the "happiness" scale released by the U.N. the U.S. came in at 19.) On this same report the U.S. came in at 12th place for generosity, 37th for social support & *61st for freedom* -- so how is all of that religion in the U.S. working out for us???
Love you guys. great points. but as i was getting bored with Dustin's ramblings. i was noticing the wall paper behind you. an amusing observation is that all arrows surrounding Sam's head points towards her. tanner has a few pointing towards him, then those to his left point further to the left. what do thes subliminal images mean? Is this a conspiracy by Sam to gather more attention. You know you shady atheists are devious. lol
Russ Vollmer You caught me - I'm a total narcissist!
And Tanner is a leftist!
I stopped going to the church of Jesus's christ & latter day saints here in Darwin Australia coz I have NEVER been able to be cool with "god telling nephi or anyone to KILL anyone". There was no way anyone there could change my mind on that. I had nightmares about nephi killing people or causing someone like lori & chad daybell into killing people "for god". It really sucks that they had to prove my argument like they did. FYI... I'm certain 1 of chads sons came here for his mission a few years ago when I still went. Which is why its hurting so much more. Tammy reminds me so much of my friend at church too!💔😭🙏🇭🇲I went back to baptist church now!