Kids look up to Tanjiro, Izuku, Goku, Naruto and Luffy now. Batman, Superman, Wolverine, Ironman and Captain America are damaged by people who don't care about these characters.
You can’t blame kids for not wanting this nonsense. They’re smart enough to see there’s really nothing they can connect to or want to buy in general in terms of comics.
The kids ain't reading Western comics. They're reading manga instead due to the fact that they're giving what the reader wants - something that Marvel & DC aren't doing.
"Aren't" implies that it's accidental, that they're trying their best but it's just not good enough. Marvel and DC *knows* what people want but they intentionally do the opposite and blame them for not buying it.
These writers don't realize that kids don't like being lectured and talked down to they get enough of that from their parents and their teachers why would they want that in their comic books?! 😂
A huge part of the problem is that these "writers" really don't understand that no one actually cares about what gay people do in the bedroom. On top of that they also don't understand what real love is and write "romance" into their stories that comes off as either creepy stalker shit that feels gross to read or angsty teenage lust that isn't interesting too anyone over the age of 10.
They also don't understand friendship, kindness, beauty, art, faith, patriotism, eccentricity without being aspy, independent thinking, or selflessness.
As a millennial, I tried to get into comics. But the woke rot had taken hold in the comics industry long before it took hold in Hollywood. If they had just sold me epic stories about awesome heroes doing badass things in the name of justice I would have 25+ different comics delivered to my home every single month. I desperately wanted to be a part of this hobby, the 90s and early 2000s cartoons meant that much to me. Japan offered me an alternative, and I took it.
Death in Naruto or One Piece: very rare, meant for character growth. Death in Demon Slayer: quiet common, characters fight against stronger opponents so it is natural they can't always win. So they don't and they stay dead no matter how popular they were with readers. Same genre, different approach to same subject. And that's what great with manga.
“If you don’t like my politics, don’t read my stuff”. How many times did they tell us. So we did. That’s their problem. The entertainment industry needs a reckoning. They’re discretionary and insulting their fans is not a successful way of getting people to buy your stuff. Who knew.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 People like games. They don’t really research who made the game. I am talking the stock of the game company goes down if they piss off too many people. Then shareholders get involved. Money bag always going to the company regardless.
Because kids don't want to read about gay characters. They want to see heroes being heroes, but since Marvel and DC are *failing* at that, kids turn to manga where the characters are actually respected.
Some do, some don’t. Most don’t care either way, and almost everyone in any category cares more about whether or not the story portraying them is any good. Unfortunately, somehow the execs and administrators in charge of a lot of these sorts of companies somehow got convinced that DEI was so important that it had become the only thing that matters, resulting in such a consistent drop in quality that it is to the point that even many of those who think it’s important to see gay characters in a wider range of properties end up skipping out on these works.
Pretty sure they just don't want to have it forced upon them. As there are a lot of gay manga out there and I'm not talking just about the mature ones. A few examples: Banana Fish, No.6, Yuri on Ice, Valkyrie Drive, Citrus. This are just a few I've watched and somewhat enjoyed.
My boy is inheriting thousands of comics. I can't wait for him to get into them more once he can read better. The collection spans from the 60's until Disney ended the comics industry, right around a little after One More Day. I'll just explain to him that the art form died at that point, which is a fact.
The art form did not die. The owners of those particular IP decided to jump off a bridge... the bridge was extremely high up in the air, we are still waiting listening for the splash noting they have hit the water. Then again, we have heard some thuds along the way - wind might have blown them into the rock wall beside the water.
@@formes2388 Good analogy but the fact that someone like me with a whole comics library has completely checked out speaks volumes I think. I refuse to disrespect the greatest art form of the 20th century by buying new stuff. Comic book shops are closing or expanding into other markets. I'm just happy that Marvel put out a series of "The End" books, to wrap it up. The Punisher and Hulk and Marvel Universe ones were especially good reading
Kids don’t want political agendas, they want heroes. Unfortunately, comics publishers consider heroes, and heroism, to be politically incorrect. Their idea of a superhero is Superman protesting climate change.
Well tbh people complain that heroics that those like superman was boring and dull, while enjoying nihilistic garbage like The Boys. (No offense to fans, but it's made by someone who never was into superhero comics in the first place.)
@@darkzeroprojects4245Amen to that. Garth Ennis could have created any kind of story he wanted, but he barfed up yet another screed about how much he hates almost all superheroes. Pitiful.
@@lammal412 Like I get where he's coming from, but he instead of focusing on making these stories of the war heroes he claims superheros overshadow, he just makes basically defecstions of the genre.
Cough Cough, I Just started writing fanfics because I thought " officia"DC/Marvel is hot ass Not to toot my own horn bit people say I'm better than most of the current writers not that, that is an accomplishment
I have a son who is 17. He is highly creative. He was just hired by a local farm to design a haunted attraction for them after they were impressed by his yard haunt. He loves The Batman, The Dark Knight, and Batman 89. His only DC comic is The Killing Joke. He despises most of modern media though. He said he is tired of sex being the main driver behind character development and he is tired of many kids his age who think their sexuality equates to personality. That is what marvel and dc push these days.
It's easy to explain: prices went up (kids can't pay for it or get it as an impulse buy), the art went downhill, the writing went the same way and there is like a reboot every year or so. Why read stuff that costs more, has worse art, is badly written, gets tossed out in a year or two? Manga is cheaper, better art, better written, can go on for years. Following a series is like having a habit, if you cannot follow that habit it won't stick.
Reboots is logical. It means the floppies reached an end, and were converted into a trade. It also allows people jumping on at the start. But in real life, it also means a point to leave. If you were not loving the comic, you can drop it and save money now. Re-reading a new origin story from the start again also has low appeal to those who have already read one. It will either be a repeat or a retcon, neither popular.
Pokémon SV is no longer about fun adventures because it is set at a university-centered region. You could not even wear casual clothes even when class is over. The Pokémon are now restricted to do battles that you can ditch them to training them like Daisuke from the anime. The character designs are as creepy as those emoji generators that would be used on the US comics too.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 "Pokémon SV is no longer about fun adventures because it is set at a university-centered region." I'm pretty sure it's also because, from what I've heard, Japan has a High "Self-Deletion" rate among High School Youth, so Japanese Media companies tend to have some of their media take place in a Japanese High School setting. Don't quote me on that though.
@@animezilla4486 true. Westerners are gonna try to bully their way into the Japanese Manga Industry and ruin them as well. Westernism has a penchant for doing that sort of thing. And calling it _”Capitalism”_ and _”free market”_ at work. Which is a bunch of bullcrap.🤨
@@animezilla4486There will always be times of larders and times of lean. The comic books industry just happens to keep not doing the right thing in the lean times. At least in the late 2000s, I had more fun nostalgia diving and kept on checking out the anime world when the blaze of the USA anime boom simmered down. Even when Broccoli Books folded USA activities, they didn't go "ROBAMA WANTS YOU TO TRADE IN YOUR MANGA FOR COMICS". The anime and manga never died, it still lived on. It's only natural that anime fans either grow up liking what they like or go to make stuff of their own. I can't say much for comics.
4 or 5 dollars for a single issue is a huge barrier for young readers. When half the pages are ads and there are so many crossovers and "events" to try to get the whole story
This. DC and Marvel keep trying to charge 5 dollars for a combo of ads and food talk comics. No child is going to waste their precious money on that. No parent is even going to ask "Wouldn't you want to pay 5 dollars for some ads and food talk?". The ads were acceptable if it kept comics in the 1-2 dollar range. If you can't keep it there, the ads should be removed.
@@linusgustafsson2629 And.... No one wants to wait for the full story anymore, especially after being burned by getting invested, then a writer leaves, or it's canceled. COMICS need good writers telling complete stories. Then sell it for 25-30 bucks. No cliff hangers unless your approved for another run. No one can tell a story in 5 or 6 issues anymore, thats why movies are 2hrs plus nowadays too. Sloppy meandering awful writers....
Even Pokémon chased away the fans during when Pokémon is no longer Japanese before the Pokémon GO avatar fiasco. Kodansha are by far the best manga publisher that fans have never reported on the dialogue changes against the source. Seven Seas, Yen Press, and Viz are to be avoided.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 The fans honestly could of left the franchise long ago, but kept buying everytime pikachu shows his face in each generation even with the questionable quality or content.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 Even BW have been sold in somewhat large, and Pikachu is obtainable until getting the National Pokédex and allow you to use the machine to bring Pokémon from Generation 4. Another incident is the Endless Eight where it is one Haruhi Suzumiya episode repeated 8 times, and Kyoto Animation never recovered that even the arson is not enough to fool the fans into forgiving them.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 "...and Kyoto Animation never recovered that even the arson is not enough to fool the fans into forgiving them." How exactly is Kyoto Animation at fault for the Arson attack at their original Kyoto, Japan headquarters? What exactly did they do to rile fans up?
@@Avapxla That's why they are either desperately trying to claim manga sales as their own, or using China's tactics of bringing out Japan's WW2 war crimes to slander them among other things. DEI and socialism folks!
No wonder, manga is currently way better. Characters are characters and not walking billboards for political opinions Stories are at least good Series are written for intented target and, what is most important, mangakas are not ashamed for choosing that target. At the same time Marvel and DC are apologizing for appealing to males.
Why did comics get so obsessed with the whole gay character storylines? Ever since 2010, this type of storytelling has been a major obsession for comic writers.
I think it is just activism. They think there are thousands of straight old comics, so it is homosexuals turn to get comics made for them. Their goal is to have thousands of comics of gay content, so that everyone has an equal amount of comics to choose from. And to do that they just have to write gay comics for about 50 years. It is simple leftist thinking. There needs to be 50% straight and 50% gay content to be fair. But they forget that about 98% of the customers are straight and 2% are gay, meaning they want half the comics to cater to 2% of the customers. An issue if you know math, but not an issue if you only run on feelings and got an F in math.
Because the slashfic writers of the early 2000's took over and synergized with the extremely jaded genx editors. Who thought they were being edgy rather than just a bunch of weirdos.
Because political activists have been slowly infiltrating various industries for a long time. They don't actually care about telling good heroic stories. They only care about forcing change in the world and exposing as many young, impressionable minds to their worldview as possible. And entertainment was a potential way to do that.
I honestly don't care if they made them, just make them good. They can't even do that which is the real problem. They don't even make good representation ,it's all bigotry.
Today was free comic book day, but my local shop closed last month after 27 years in the same location...I didn't even go out looking for other sources of free comics...
Anime and manga continues to captivate audiences both new and veteran to the franchises. There’s options and kid friendly options out here if kids want to enjoy something nuance.
Personally speaking. During the 1990s that early 2000s. I wasn't into DC or Marvel. Instead, I was a huge fan of Dark Horse. Especially their lineup of Alien, Predator, and Terminator comics.
Kids don't read comics because today's comic pros don't know how to write for kids. What kids like really hasn't changed much. Boys want stories about powerful heroes saving the day, underdogs, and giant robots. Girls want pretty ponies, friendship, and teen drama. There are outliers and occasional overlap, but that's the general rule. Neither demographic is interested in your homoerotic Superman fanfics, nor lectures about climate change. That's boring. Source: Am an ex-kid.
Kids read certain YA comics because they're interested in the subject matter of those comics, not because they're not ready for superhero comics. I'm GenX, and I never had an interest in Disney or Archie comics as a child; at 6 years old I wanted to read Avengers and Spider-Man and Daredevil and The Hulk, because the action, outfits, art style and characters appealed to me (and I mean come on, Spider-Man was on The Electric Company). Expecting that a fan of Wimpy Kid is going to "graduate" into X-Men is as insane as thinking a kid who likes Judy Blume is going to suddenly hit a certain age and want to read Tom Clancy.
Whenever I go to the bookstore, especially on the weekends, kids and young adults are all over the manga aisles. That's right, AISLES of manga while Marvel and DC books only take up one shelf and are not given a second glance at. Kids don't give a crap about Superman and Batman, Goku and Deku are their heroes now.
I mean, when modern kid books and comics are trying to force down the idea that kids have something wrong with them it makes sense they leave it for anime and manga which gives them proper escapism
@@zacharytolen2834I think they're talking about the identity crap. There's nothing in those books that appeals to the average kid, let alone the average person.
Manga doesn’t turn Luffy or Goku gay, they make new histories and new characters for diverse sexuality audiences, but they don’t turn popular, stablished characters gay. That’s why manga is thriving and comic is dying…
Fake gay characters who no one cares for including the writers themselves. They don’t say. The damage to Spider-Man was purposefully done for no reason
Wish I still had my contacts at Scholastic. Ten years ago she was pointing out how they shovel so much shit into school libraries that gets thrown out without ever being taken out of the shrink wrap. It would rain tax payer dollars on anybody willing to give a kick back.
D. J. T.: "Everything woke turns to sh*t." This also reminds me of a Quote attributed to Einstein: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." The people in charge of our beloved IPs do NOT deserve to work on them.
Trying to sell your social engineering comics they way Ash tried to cram that rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat in ALIEN really isn't a winning stragety.
Yesterday was by far the worse turn out ever for free comic book day. I went to 3 of my local comic book stores and none of them had long lines or big turn outs like back in the 2010s. The free comics they had were nothing I was interested in, I came back home with 1 comic and it was the newest issue of Sonic the Hedgehog. This was my 8th time attending free comic book day and I've always came back with loads of comics! Theses comic book companies taking the turn to wokeness and making every single thing gay or sexual have ruined the entire comic book fandom. This hurts man, I didn't want this to happen 😢 but hopefully they fire every single PC rainbow warrior and get people who actually care about the character on board.
Not an inch surprised none of these modern comic writers measure up to the likes of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Bob Kane, or Bill Finger who all put their hearts into writing instead of soulless products.
Anybody remember the fact that 90s Comics just so happened to have the SAME Problem? No Kid Audience? How the Mighty Fall into becoming the Very Thing they hated and demonized as 'backwards'
I gave up on collecting comic Books back in the early 2000's. That's when everything seemed to start going down hill in the industry.. And mow all the true comic nerds seem to be collecting the older issues and ignoring the newer crap!
my son (13) and daughters 10 and 9 love to raid me and my husband’s Manga collection (over 800 collected since 1989) and still collecting! Looks like the comic industry in the USA is pretty dismal
@@hertzwave8001 my children are addicted to Rumiko Takahashi’s works but my son really loves my husband’s favorite series Golgo 13,Lupin the third and the works of motofumi kobayashi war manga artist
@@hertzwave8001 Worse if they find Time Stop Hero. A man with the ability to stop time, so he uses it to undress women and stare at their naked bodies.
You mean customers don't like arbitrary and devicive political messaging and many (possibly most) customers actively avoid products pushing said political messaging? *Shocker*
Many manga and anime provides kids and teenagers messages like improving yourself, physically and mentally, and making sure to be a good person. With something so positive and meaningful, It's no wonder why they towards these stories and characters.
There are so many genres for mangas, you can find a manga for any sports you like, any hobby you like, you want futuristic, medieval, western eastern they have it all.
Kids are generally more interested in having fun and escapism. If they had to choose between reading about the struggles of a woman in a misogynist society or a teddy bear going on adventures with a dragon, the teddy bear is always going to be more interesting to them. Comics seem more interested in lecturing than having fun anymore, and trying to appear grown-up.
I grew up with TMNT, and that franchise has had a long string of great shows until recently; and the blemish on their record before current year was that live action show that introduced the female turtle... Venus I think? Which tanked horribly for many reasons, but one of which was part of the show turning into about sex as opposed to ninjas and action. It's almost like kids are not into the kissy mushy stuff... because they're KIDS!
Eh, Rise was pretty good, though they really shouldn't have used the 11-minute format. You can have your humor and your action in 22 minutes so you can flesh everything out better. Movie was great though, which makes me wish it didn't get cancelled so early. Still nowhere as abysmal as Next Mutation ended up being...
I mean most modern superhero comic runs are more about activism, no surprise that kids kinda find it boring too. I remember a few years ago, I bought a marvel champions comic from my locals thinking I'd be getting something like teen titans but y'know, with marvel heroes. New team dynamics, fun adventures, epic showdowns with new villains, etc. I was disappointed with the origin story of how the team formed. I then decided to check the other issues online and it gets even worse. Just ms. Marvel crying about the message that superheroes need to settle things without fighting and even at some point, worrying about cancel culture
Not only is it impossible to get into DC/Marvel at this point, the kids don’t like what they’re selling either. Even IDW’s comics have more linearity to them, as well as a certain endpoint where you can stop reading before the bad stuff started (IDW especially intentionally making their position worse just depresses me also).
Anime and manga became my thing in 2009 when I was a 6th grader, I was a huge fan of Western media like Ben 10, Teen Titans KND, and Xiaolin Showdown. But as they dumbed the media I shifted to manga hard in late 2011 when I entered high school as it just connected with me more than shows then whatever mess they had besides Young Justice. There was just a lot more good action, romance, and slice-of-life stories across the world then in my own country. My nephew whose twelve atm pretty much made the shift earlier than me, when Teen Titans Go stopped connecting with him, now he's hard into anime just like me. The media needs to connect with viewers for it to be successful, and to do that, there needs to be good stories, and sadly there isn't a lot of that. Like in Japan the market decides what's popular and if it's not it gets cut, even if the story is good. While here venture capital props up whatever the little clicks in these companies like. Mostly they sell horrible but still continue.
Too many writers are hacks nowadays. They are mostly self insert fan fiction. A good writer can put themselves into the establised characters mindset, but no, it's all about their feelings and political agendas. The new sky bound transformers series looks interesting but at this point I'm going to wait and see
What people want from western media MHA, Demon Slayer, JJK, one-piece, just to name a few. What they get Superboy and his Self insert G lover, Iceman and his G Lover, Girl bosses and their G Lovers, Starfire's Velma Daughter. Also self Insert. Etc etc
I didn't think kids were into ANY books these days. I was obsessed with reading in my day. Couldn't wait for the next book fair, or to get to the library after school. I try to encourage my nephew to read, and he's like "I don't wanna be in school at home." Just sad.
It really depends on how they were raised, I have several kids, and they were all big readers, including the youngest who is in high school. They were raised to appreciate reading from a very early age, and it was a major part of their free time. Both their mother and I were also heavily into reading growing up, so I suppose some interests do get passed down.
A large majority of men would still read about hot lesbians. Not so much if it is just ugly lesbians talking food though, which is what DC and Marvel focus on.
Your stat is low. Of the 2% of the general public that enjoy reading intersectional activist virtue signaling lectures in the form of comics, about 10% out of that 2% are willing to pay to support said intersectional activist virtue signaling lectures.
my kids used to love spider-man , batman, superman, but no longer . Now its Space ghost, thundercats, cobra commander, old dc and marvel comics or manga
Ten years ago Adam Hughes said he doesn't draw comics, he only does covers, because the page rate is so bad and covers pay much better. So you see all these comics with amazing covers, but it doesn't match the inside art which is usually worse
I’d like to add a caveat to that statement, kids are not into modern Marvel and DC because I found a kid (my daughter’s friend) who discovered old Teen Titans comics! Her favorite hero is Tim Drake. She tried to read some of the newer comics like Young Justice but thought it was boring. She tried Marvel but found those boring as well. I told her she has to find some of the older runs if she wants to get into Marvel comics. This is a girl who reads Shonen manga religiously. She also has said that if she wants romance she would read a romance story. She wants her superhero stories to be superhero stories!
Yeah, I feel the same. If I'm reading a superhero story I want a story of people who have ideals fighting for what's right. There can be romance in the background, but if the focus is supposed to be superheroes then I want to see them doing hero stuff and getting through tough battles first and foremost because that's what I came for.
I read comics a long time ago but lapsed for some time. Two or three years back I was catching up on some comics by buying a bunch of trade paperbacks. Got a lot of enjoyment reading all those stories I missed. But they were older stories. I happened to buy something newer featuring a character I normally enjoy and was like “what the hell is this sh*t?!” I knew I was caught up as much as I needed and shifted my focus to manga.
I wish I didn’t go to art school: I went to art institutes and the main issue at the time is that I wanted to graduate early and make enough money to care for my parents. Unfortunately I was in so much debt it took years and help from my spouse to get out of it. People can learn more now from RUclips than through an official art school. The best thing is to go to art schools that are tied to the company you want to work for or go to a regular college to get a regular degree.
These woke characters need a MR. Freeze overhaul. For this who don’t know, Mr. Freeze was basically a villain of the week character(best way to describe him) that turned into a deep character that you feel sympathy for.
I lowkey kind of hope I could work for these companies one day, just to write a good story that makes these characters actually interesting. But of course, that’s never gonna happen.
Yup I went into a book shop a couple weeks ago when looking at houses with the misses they had normal book sections, comic section was half a shelf Manga was 5 and a half shelves plus several stands for collectors items like cups, tops, posters, figures and random objects. I asked the woman about it she tild me the young ones ds are goong mad for it and they have more book lists now than ever almost all of it is for Manga. Two of my nieces are also deep into Manga 15 and 13 years old.
This is what happens when you take all the people who used to write gay superhero slash fiction on Livejournal and give them jobs writing actual comics.
Kids and young adults like manga these days. They find manga characters and stories more interesting than the weird crap that Marvel and DC are releasing now. Also, I didn't think people in the comic industry would still use the pandemic of all things as an excuse. The pandemic's been over for 2 to 3 years now. Marvel and DC just can't accept that younger readers (and most other groups of people) don't like their stuff anymore
The truth I only see people browsing the Mange section at Barnes & Noble but not at Target or Walmart or even a comic book store, unless they're buying them online but who keeps track of that anyways?
Kids don't read. Last time kids were into reading something was during the Harry Potter book craze. I haven't seen a kid coming into an LCS on their own since the 90s. Scholastic isn't comics, they're book store adjacent.
My daughter and son hates reading BUT their friends are all avid readers! They read everything. The same with my nieces every time I see them their noses are buried in a book. Depending on the kid you know, they may or may not read.
I got started reading Marvel's all ages line called Marvel adventures. Probably the only version of Spiderman that finds happiness with his gf Chat. No unnecessary drama.
I miss the days when I used to care about my pull list, but generally these days I just buy omnibusses after the run of something is done. That way I don't have to deal with 30 odd pages of ads and feeling like I'm getting nickel and dimed. And it's great that my collections like nicer on shelves than in boxes.
I wish Hasbro would get their heads out of their asses and 1) fully embrace the Skybound/Image Energon Universe comics, 2) make a deal with Netflix and animate the comics stories, toned down for kids, and 3) make affordable, good quality toys for kids based off of the comics. My wife's grandson is three years old. Before you know it, he will be the target demographic age for someone walking down the boys toys aisle at Walmart et al. I mean Lego is the best but come on. The kid needs a little variety of toys that don't suck based on IP that hasn't been turned into the groomer industrial complex and he can buy a figure with a couple weeks' allowance.
yeah because kids nowadays are into manga, manhwa (Korean), manhua (Chinese), light novels, webtoons and web novels, basically Asian literature is on the rise more than ever before you just like the rest of Asian pop culture and entertainment is taking over and they need to be OUR SANCTUARY from DEI and ESG
@@animezilla4486 that's right we shouldn't just solely rely on Asian entertainment we should be getting good entertainment from everywhere in the world especially the West But for some reason for the past decade or so American/Western entertainment companies have been stubbornly insistent on shoving DEI, ESG and wokeness in our face Is there still remnants of good Western entertainment? yes but it's far and few when it should be all the time, stuff that unites people and not deliberately divide us I WANT GOOD ENTERTAINMENT from the West like how it was in the 80s, 90s and 2000s, I just good entertainment from over the world altogether but until the West decides to change its way and goes back to those fundamentals a lot of us are gonna continue supporting Asian entertainment
The DC & Marvel of old are dead and gone, they're not coming back from this it's basically over. The talents all gone never to return, the customer base is now miniscule, and there's no replacement generation on the horizon...they're toast and don't realise it yet.
Hahaha I have a MFA in comics from a fancy art school.... I don't regret it, because of how I grew as a person and an artist through that experience, but it definitely was not worth the money I'm paying back for it. The biggest problem was that when I went into it I had no idea what comics actually paid, and I was led to believe that one could make a living doing comics. Which, obviously some do, but with how the industry has tanked in the several years since I graduated, it's getting rarer and rarer. Surprise, I'm not actually working in comics, I got a corporate job doing production design and I'm doing fine (besides that voice in my head saying I wasted my degree by not making comics), but my classmates who ARE working in comics are really struggling to make ends meet with the volatility of the industry. Nowadays there are so many better and cheaper options at learning the craft and the business than going to college for art.
Kids look up to Tanjiro, Izuku, Goku, Naruto and Luffy now. Batman, Superman, Wolverine, Ironman and Captain America are damaged by people who don't care about these characters.
Don’t forget Ichigo
And deku let not forget deku from my hero
Lloyd Forger, Anya Forger, or Yor from Spy X Family.
@@MichaelGonzalez-uz5yj You're right I forgot Ichigo. Bleach was so awesome when it came out.
@@PlaystationTaxation69999man love that anime especially how adorable anya especially with her obsession with peanut 😂
You can’t blame kids for not wanting this nonsense. They’re smart enough to see there’s really nothing they can connect to or want to buy in general in terms of comics.
The kids ain't reading Western comics. They're reading manga instead due to the fact that they're giving what the reader wants - something that Marvel & DC aren't doing.
"Aren't" implies that it's accidental, that they're trying their best but it's just not good enough.
Marvel and DC *knows* what people want but they intentionally do the opposite and blame them for not buying it.
@@aulvinduergard9952 Aren't does not imply accidental in *any* way. I don't know who taught you english, but they should be fired.
@@TyshaggyGaming I was thinking this too.
Mangakas understand something Marvel and DC forgot, or are very good at pretending they forgot: you do not need to appeal to everyone.
@@igorwisniewski9412 Yup. 100% facts.
Characters that used to be heroes are now just mascots for whatever social fetish the writers have at any given moment.
DC and Marvel are dead. The writers don't realize it yet. 💀
my hero academia season 7 has more hype than any new marvel & dc ip has had in years.
Thats why disney had to bring Huge Jackman back from the dead💀
We can find other comic super-hero bock without marvel and dc.
"Omae wa mou shindeiru" 😎
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@@LeXofLeviafannani!?
These writers don't realize that kids don't like being lectured and talked down to they get enough of that from their parents and their teachers why would they want that in their comic books?! 😂
A huge part of the problem is that these "writers" really don't understand that no one actually cares about what gay people do in the bedroom.
On top of that they also don't understand what real love is and write "romance" into their stories that comes off as either creepy stalker shit that feels gross to read or angsty teenage lust that isn't interesting too anyone over the age of 10.
Not just love. These sociopaths also don't understand heroism.
They also don't understand friendship, kindness, beauty, art, faith, patriotism, eccentricity without being aspy, independent thinking, or selflessness.
@@talithakoum3922 So basically they don't understand what it is like to have an imagination.
They want push hardcore gay sex and woman cheating! That maybe ok in adult comic but not in comic for kids!
@@stephano1019 💯
As a millennial, I tried to get into comics. But the woke rot had taken hold in the comics industry long before it took hold in Hollywood. If they had just sold me epic stories about awesome heroes doing badass things in the name of justice I would have 25+ different comics delivered to my home every single month. I desperately wanted to be a part of this hobby, the 90s and early 2000s cartoons meant that much to me.
Japan offered me an alternative, and I took it.
Anyone that uses the “woke” excuse doesn’t care that it just has bad storytelling but that it only triggers them.
@@jdfaustonly woke stories are bad storytelling
Death in Naruto or One Piece: very rare, meant for character growth.
Death in Demon Slayer: quiet common, characters fight against stronger opponents so it is natural they can't always win. So they don't and they stay dead no matter how popular they were with readers.
Same genre, different approach to same subject. And that's what great with manga.
Yeah they ra**ped my harley quinn its so ugly the Feminism comics about her
@@kennethadler7380 No.
Bad storytelling exists even outside it.
Saying that it's ONLY "woke" that is is delusional.
“If you don’t like my politics, don’t read my stuff”. How many times did they tell us. So we did. That’s their problem. The entertainment industry needs a reckoning. They’re discretionary and insulting their fans is not a successful way of getting people to buy your stuff. Who knew.
They are shocked when they treat their customers like crap and get no money. 😂
They say "if you don't like it just don't watch it" with such confidence that the "modern audiences" will flock like flies to hot stinky garbage
Ya mean the money people still give to other companies who treat them like crap regardless of "woke" or not?
@@darkzeroprojects4245 People like games. They don’t really research who made the game. I am talking the stock of the game company goes down if they piss off too many people. Then shareholders get involved. Money bag always going to the company regardless.
My nieces couldn't care less about comics, all they want to do is play Roblox.
That game has so many child predators on it, WATCH OUT
But, Hello you!
Roblox is actually pretty bad. Unless you like child lovers I would suggest deleting it.
Roblox is a groomers paradise. Better get you nieces of that stuff before they suddenly get convinced they are actually demisexual.
Larry no
Because kids don't want to read about gay characters. They want to see heroes being heroes, but since Marvel and DC are *failing* at that, kids turn to manga where the characters are actually respected.
Some do, some don’t. Most don’t care either way, and almost everyone in any category cares more about whether or not the story portraying them is any good. Unfortunately, somehow the execs and administrators in charge of a lot of these sorts of companies somehow got convinced that DEI was so important that it had become the only thing that matters, resulting in such a consistent drop in quality that it is to the point that even many of those who think it’s important to see gay characters in a wider range of properties end up skipping out on these works.
I want my heroes to be heroes and do hero things. If they're not doing that I don't care.
Pretty sure they just don't want to have it forced upon them. As there are a lot of gay manga out there and I'm not talking just about the mature ones. A few examples: Banana Fish, No.6, Yuri on Ice, Valkyrie Drive, Citrus. This are just a few I've watched and somewhat enjoyed.
For the most part straight people aren't interested in gay sh💩t.
Absolutely right. These companies are going to know the HARD way they are appealing to an audience that doesn't exist.
My boy is inheriting thousands of comics. I can't wait for him to get into them more once he can read better. The collection spans from the 60's until Disney ended the comics industry, right around a little after One More Day. I'll just explain to him that the art form died at that point, which is a fact.
The art form did not die. The owners of those particular IP decided to jump off a bridge... the bridge was extremely high up in the air, we are still waiting listening for the splash noting they have hit the water. Then again, we have heard some thuds along the way - wind might have blown them into the rock wall beside the water.
Can you adopt me pls?
@@formes2388 Good analogy but the fact that someone like me with a whole comics library has completely checked out speaks volumes I think. I refuse to disrespect the greatest art form of the 20th century by buying new stuff. Comic book shops are closing or expanding into other markets. I'm just happy that Marvel put out a series of "The End" books, to wrap it up. The Punisher and Hulk and Marvel Universe ones were especially good reading
Kids don’t want political agendas, they want heroes. Unfortunately, comics publishers consider heroes, and heroism, to be politically incorrect. Their idea of a superhero is Superman protesting climate change.
Not to mention that the comic pros are just creating smut at this point.
Even kids never watch Nick News.
@@zenvariety9383 they can get way better stuff on thirty-four as well lol
Yeah, Superman protesting climate change in a skirt 🤣🤣🤣
Or people who have the kind of mindset you's see in villains.
Heroism is being minimized and narcissism is taking its place. Saving a life is less interesting than being 🎶FAAAABULOUUUUUS 🎶
Well tbh people complain that heroics that those like superman was boring and dull, while enjoying nihilistic garbage like The Boys.
(No offense to fans, but it's made by someone who never was into superhero comics in the first place.)
@@darkzeroprojects4245Amen to that. Garth Ennis could have created any kind of story he wanted, but he barfed up yet another screed about how much he hates almost all superheroes. Pitiful.
@@lammal412
Like I get where he's coming from, but he instead of focusing on making these stories of the war heroes he claims superheros overshadow, he just makes basically defecstions of the genre.
@deegeekulberda-lo4dh for the most part yes.
To be fair most people aren't into fan fiction garbage.
Cough Cough, I Just started writing fanfics because I thought " officia"DC/Marvel is hot ass
Not to toot my own horn bit people say I'm better than most of the current writers not that, that is an accomplishment
Fun fact: the longest piece of literature is a fanfiction
or garbage self insert characters.
Tbf Oshi no ko really aspired to a certain gross demographic in their recent chapter 🤢
They are...if it's written good
I have a son who is 17. He is highly creative. He was just hired by a local farm to design a haunted attraction for them after they were impressed by his yard haunt. He loves The Batman, The Dark Knight, and Batman 89. His only DC comic is The Killing Joke. He despises most of modern media though. He said he is tired of sex being the main driver behind character development and he is tired of many kids his age who think their sexuality equates to personality. That is what marvel and dc push these days.
It's easy to explain: prices went up (kids can't pay for it or get it as an impulse buy), the art went downhill, the writing went the same way and there is like a reboot every year or so.
Why read stuff that costs more, has worse art, is badly written, gets tossed out in a year or two?
Manga is cheaper, better art, better written, can go on for years.
Following a series is like having a habit, if you cannot follow that habit it won't stick.
Reboots is logical. It means the floppies reached an end, and were converted into a trade. It also allows people jumping on at the start.
But in real life, it also means a point to leave. If you were not loving the comic, you can drop it and save money now. Re-reading a new origin story from the start again also has low appeal to those who have already read one. It will either be a repeat or a retcon, neither popular.
Kids wanted fun adventures, not drama. Even little girls want to see other girls go on trips and meet fun people.
Pokémon SV is no longer about fun adventures because it is set at a university-centered region. You could not even wear casual clothes even when class is over. The Pokémon are now restricted to do battles that you can ditch them to training them like Daisuke from the anime. The character designs are as creepy as those emoji generators that would be used on the US comics too.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 "Pokémon SV is no longer about fun adventures because it is set at a university-centered region."
I'm pretty sure it's also because, from what I've heard, Japan has a High "Self-Deletion" rate among High School Youth, so Japanese Media companies tend to have some of their media take place in a Japanese High School setting. Don't quote me on that though.
Meanwhile Japan is having a field day with their sales of manga and anime.
That won't last forever
@@animezilla4486 true. Westerners are gonna try to bully their way into the Japanese Manga Industry and ruin them as well.
Westernism has a penchant for doing that sort of thing. And calling it _”Capitalism”_ and _”free market”_ at work.
Which is a bunch of bullcrap.🤨
@@animezilla4486There will always be times of larders and times of lean. The comic books industry just happens to keep not doing the right thing in the lean times.
At least in the late 2000s, I had more fun nostalgia diving and kept on checking out the anime world when the blaze of the USA anime boom simmered down. Even when Broccoli Books folded USA activities, they didn't go "ROBAMA WANTS YOU TO TRADE IN YOUR MANGA FOR COMICS".
The anime and manga never died, it still lived on. It's only natural that anime fans either grow up liking what they like or go to make stuff of their own. I can't say much for comics.
4 or 5 dollars for a single issue is a huge barrier for young readers. When half the pages are ads and there are so many crossovers and "events" to try to get the whole story
This. DC and Marvel keep trying to charge 5 dollars for a combo of ads and food talk comics. No child is going to waste their precious money on that. No parent is even going to ask "Wouldn't you want to pay 5 dollars for some ads and food talk?". The ads were acceptable if it kept comics in the 1-2 dollar range. If you can't keep it there, the ads should be removed.
@@linusgustafsson2629 And.... No one wants to wait for the full story anymore, especially after being burned by getting invested, then a writer leaves, or it's canceled. COMICS need good writers telling complete stories. Then sell it for 25-30 bucks. No cliff hangers unless your approved for another run. No one can tell a story in 5 or 6 issues anymore, thats why movies are 2hrs plus nowadays too. Sloppy meandering awful writers....
Comics were 65 cents in 1985 so we were able to buy several per month.
@@daves6220 single issues should get you to buy the trade. I bought an issue on a lark. Great art, interesting story. I will get invested.
Remember, the head of one of these companies told us not to buy her books if we didn't like her politics.
Chasing old fans away, while the kids they so want have found other means to entertain themselves
Enjoy your DEI fails, Marvel and DC
Even Pokémon chased away the fans during when Pokémon is no longer Japanese before the Pokémon GO avatar fiasco. Kodansha are by far the best manga publisher that fans have never reported on the dialogue changes against the source. Seven Seas, Yen Press, and Viz are to be avoided.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 The fans honestly could of left the franchise long ago, but kept buying everytime pikachu shows his face in each generation even with the questionable quality or content.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 Even BW have been sold in somewhat large, and Pikachu is obtainable until getting the National Pokédex and allow you to use the machine to bring Pokémon from Generation 4.
Another incident is the Endless Eight where it is one Haruhi Suzumiya episode repeated 8 times, and Kyoto Animation never recovered that even the arson is not enough to fool the fans into forgiving them.
@@LuigiTheMetal64 "...and Kyoto Animation never recovered that even the arson is not enough to fool the fans into forgiving them."
How exactly is Kyoto Animation at fault for the Arson attack at their original Kyoto, Japan headquarters? What exactly did they do to rile fans up?
What do they expect they massively damage the brand now they are damage goods
What a shock, kids n young teens arent into john kent swapping spit with his pink haired boytoy
Twink boyfriend
Yep, because they’re into anime and manga.
Yeah anime and manga are way better
@@Avapxla That's why they are either desperately trying to claim manga sales as their own, or using China's tactics of bringing out Japan's WW2 war crimes to slander them among other things. DEI and socialism folks!
The characters in manga are so relatable that they have a personality and a motive that are timely.
No wonder, manga is currently way better.
Characters are characters and not walking billboards for political opinions
Stories are at least good
Series are written for intented target and, what is most important, mangakas are not ashamed for choosing that target.
At the same time Marvel and DC are apologizing for appealing to males.
@@Avapxla Comic books used to be on the same level but they fell off. Now Marvel and DC are plagued by terrible writers.
Why did comics get so obsessed with the whole gay character storylines? Ever since 2010, this type of storytelling has been a major obsession for comic writers.
I think it is just activism. They think there are thousands of straight old comics, so it is homosexuals turn to get comics made for them. Their goal is to have thousands of comics of gay content, so that everyone has an equal amount of comics to choose from. And to do that they just have to write gay comics for about 50 years.
It is simple leftist thinking. There needs to be 50% straight and 50% gay content to be fair. But they forget that about 98% of the customers are straight and 2% are gay, meaning they want half the comics to cater to 2% of the customers. An issue if you know math, but not an issue if you only run on feelings and got an F in math.
Because the slashfic writers of the early 2000's took over and synergized with the extremely jaded genx editors. Who thought they were being edgy rather than just a bunch of weirdos.
Because political activists have been slowly infiltrating various industries for a long time. They don't actually care about telling good heroic stories. They only care about forcing change in the world and exposing as many young, impressionable minds to their worldview as possible. And entertainment was a potential way to do that.
I honestly don't care if they made them, just make them good.
They can't even do that which is the real problem.
They don't even make good representation ,it's all bigotry.
They became suicidal and decided to die!
Today was free comic book day, but my local shop closed last month after 27 years in the same location...I didn't even go out looking for other sources of free comics...
Anime and manga continues to captivate audiences both new and veteran to the franchises. There’s options and kid friendly options out here if kids want to enjoy something nuance.
kids want to watch gojo folding a cursed sprit, not watch superboy get folded over a countertop
Personally speaking.
During the 1990s that early 2000s. I wasn't into DC or Marvel.
Instead, I was a huge fan of Dark Horse. Especially their lineup of Alien, Predator, and Terminator comics.
You my friend, have an amazing taste
Same but I liked all of them for different reasons. Now there is only sadness 😢
Mine too I also love IDWs Godzilla comics too
Kids don't read comics because today's comic pros don't know how to write for kids. What kids like really hasn't changed much. Boys want stories about powerful heroes saving the day, underdogs, and giant robots. Girls want pretty ponies, friendship, and teen drama. There are outliers and occasional overlap, but that's the general rule. Neither demographic is interested in your homoerotic Superman fanfics, nor lectures about climate change. That's boring. Source: Am an ex-kid.
Kids read certain YA comics because they're interested in the subject matter of those comics, not because they're not ready for superhero comics. I'm GenX, and I never had an interest in Disney or Archie comics as a child; at 6 years old I wanted to read Avengers and Spider-Man and Daredevil and The Hulk, because the action, outfits, art style and characters appealed to me (and I mean come on, Spider-Man was on The Electric Company). Expecting that a fan of Wimpy Kid is going to "graduate" into X-Men is as insane as thinking a kid who likes Judy Blume is going to suddenly hit a certain age and want to read Tom Clancy.
Whenever I go to the bookstore, especially on the weekends, kids and young adults are all over the manga aisles. That's right, AISLES of manga while Marvel and DC books only take up one shelf and are not given a second glance at. Kids don't give a crap about Superman and Batman, Goku and Deku are their heroes now.
I mean, when modern kid books and comics are trying to force down the idea that kids have something wrong with them it makes sense they leave it for anime and manga which gives them proper escapism
But why are kids still looking for an outlet to escape to if kids don’t have problems? Your argument doesn’t really make sense.
@@zacharytolen2834I think they're talking about the identity crap.
There's nothing in those books that appeals to the average kid, let alone the average person.
@@sianais Not even those into odd stuff.
It's just boring and bigotry.
Manga doesn’t turn Luffy or Goku gay, they make new histories and new characters for diverse sexuality audiences, but they don’t turn popular, stablished characters gay. That’s why manga is thriving and comic is dying…
Fake gay characters who no one cares for including the writers themselves. They don’t say. The damage to Spider-Man was purposefully done for no reason
I'm really beginning to think there's some resentment and jealousy thrown in with all that narcissism.
Wish I still had my contacts at Scholastic. Ten years ago she was pointing out how they shovel so much shit into school libraries that gets thrown out without ever being taken out of the shrink wrap. It would rain tax payer dollars on anybody willing to give a kick back.
I grew up want to share my love of comics with my children, the stories they tell now are not worth passing along
just the older stuff
Marvel and DC: RIP. When in a industry like this someone was KILL3D because of comics, it kills any enthisiasm about it.
My 11 year old doesn't care about comics or American animation. He does like manga/anime.
Bon clay from one piece is even more interesting than all the gay characters they try to make or force them to become
The true one piece will be when bonbon join the starwhats
Ivan chan also. Its so sad that a japanese mangaka did a better job to represent a minority then whole wokie america can do.
2:41 That Frank Miller's Scrooge McDuck looks like a Spooder-man level shitpost.
And the Activists in the comic Industry are heavily responsible for this
D. J. T.:
"Everything woke turns to sh*t."
This also reminds me of a Quote attributed to Einstein:
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
The people in charge of our beloved IPs do NOT deserve to work on them.
It's quite Gramscian when you think about it.
They've been infiltrating institutions all over.
Trying to sell your social engineering comics they way Ash tried to cram that rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat in ALIEN really isn't a winning stragety.
You my king boy.
Yesterday was by far the worse turn out ever for free comic book day. I went to 3 of my local comic book stores and none of them had long lines or big turn outs like back in the 2010s. The free comics they had were nothing I was interested in, I came back home with 1 comic and it was the newest issue of Sonic the Hedgehog. This was my 8th time attending free comic book day and I've always came back with loads of comics! Theses comic book companies taking the turn to wokeness and making every single thing gay or sexual have ruined the entire comic book fandom. This hurts man, I didn't want this to happen 😢 but hopefully they fire every single PC rainbow warrior and get people who actually care about the character on board.
Not an inch surprised none of these modern comic writers measure up to the likes of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Bob Kane, or Bill Finger who all put their hearts into writing instead of soulless products.
Anybody remember the fact that 90s Comics just so happened to have the SAME Problem? No Kid Audience?
How the Mighty Fall into becoming the Very Thing they hated and demonized as 'backwards'
I gave up on collecting comic Books back in the early 2000's. That's when everything seemed to start going down hill in the industry.. And mow all the true comic nerds seem to be collecting the older issues and ignoring the newer crap!
my son (13) and daughters 10 and 9 love to raid me and my husband’s Manga collection (over 800 collected since 1989) and still collecting!
Looks like the comic industry in the USA is pretty dismal
just make sure they don't find highschool dxd
@@hertzwave8001 my children are addicted to Rumiko Takahashi’s works but my son really loves my husband’s favorite series Golgo 13,Lupin the third and the works of motofumi kobayashi war manga artist
@@hertzwave8001 Worse if they find Time Stop Hero. A man with the ability to stop time, so he uses it to undress women and stare at their naked bodies.
Some day they will all become commandos 💪
@@skibidi.G What do you mean "they will all become commandos"?
Kids don't want to read gay comics? Shocking
You mean customers don't like arbitrary and devicive political messaging and many (possibly most) customers actively avoid products pushing said political messaging?
*Shocker*
Many manga and anime provides kids and teenagers messages like improving yourself, physically and mentally, and making sure to be a good person. With something so positive and meaningful, It's no wonder why they towards these stories and characters.
Manga and anime a little bit too much credit because not all of them are like that
There are so many genres for mangas, you can find a manga for any sports you like, any hobby you like, you want futuristic, medieval, western eastern they have it all.
Kids are generally more interested in having fun and escapism. If they had to choose between reading about the struggles of a woman in a misogynist society or a teddy bear going on adventures with a dragon, the teddy bear is always going to be more interesting to them. Comics seem more interested in lecturing than having fun anymore, and trying to appear grown-up.
I grew up with TMNT, and that franchise has had a long string of great shows until recently; and the blemish on their record before current year was that live action show that introduced the female turtle... Venus I think? Which tanked horribly for many reasons, but one of which was part of the show turning into about sex as opposed to ninjas and action. It's almost like kids are not into the kissy mushy stuff... because they're KIDS!
Eh, Rise was pretty good, though they really shouldn't have used the 11-minute format. You can have your humor and your action in 22 minutes so you can flesh everything out better. Movie was great though, which makes me wish it didn't get cancelled so early. Still nowhere as abysmal as Next Mutation ended up being...
There's a female turtle now? I never heard that, wow.
@@blockmasterscott Venus de Milo is _ooooold._ We're talking 1997.
TMNT (2003) is my all time favorite piece of TMNT media.
@@legendarycryptid2629 Dang, I never knew that!
Kids’ll be saying they don’t like it because it’s lame and gay, but it’s literal now.
I mean most modern superhero comic runs are more about activism, no surprise that kids kinda find it boring too. I remember a few years ago, I bought a marvel champions comic from my locals thinking I'd be getting something like teen titans but y'know, with marvel heroes. New team dynamics, fun adventures, epic showdowns with new villains, etc.
I was disappointed with the origin story of how the team formed. I then decided to check the other issues online and it gets even worse. Just ms. Marvel crying about the message that superheroes need to settle things without fighting and even at some point, worrying about cancel culture
Not only is it impossible to get into DC/Marvel at this point, the kids don’t like what they’re selling either. Even IDW’s comics have more linearity to them, as well as a certain endpoint where you can stop reading before the bad stuff started (IDW especially intentionally making their position worse just depresses me also).
Anime and manga became my thing in 2009 when I was a 6th grader, I was a huge fan of Western media like Ben 10, Teen Titans KND, and Xiaolin Showdown. But as they dumbed the media I shifted to manga hard in late 2011 when I entered high school as it just connected with me more than shows then whatever mess they had besides Young Justice. There was just a lot more good action, romance, and slice-of-life stories across the world then in my own country.
My nephew whose twelve atm pretty much made the shift earlier than me, when Teen Titans Go stopped connecting with him, now he's hard into anime just like me.
The media needs to connect with viewers for it to be successful, and to do that, there needs to be good stories, and sadly there isn't a lot of that. Like in Japan the market decides what's popular and if it's not it gets cut, even if the story is good. While here venture capital props up whatever the little clicks in these companies like. Mostly they sell horrible but still continue.
maybe those feminists and 0.03% of the population can support these comics.
They won't.
Too many writers are hacks nowadays. They are mostly self insert fan fiction. A good writer can put themselves into the establised characters mindset, but no, it's all about their feelings and political agendas. The new sky bound transformers series looks interesting but at this point I'm going to wait and see
That's exactly what this current crap is.
It’s manga and anime. Just go to a barns and nobles the comic section is pathetic
Even Barnes & Noble would have some bloat. I saw some pictures where there is a "banned books" shelf.
So true.💯
What people want from western media
MHA, Demon Slayer, JJK, one-piece, just to name a few.
What they get
Superboy and his Self insert G lover, Iceman and his G Lover, Girl bosses and their G Lovers, Starfire's Velma Daughter. Also self Insert. Etc etc
I didn't think kids were into ANY books these days. I was obsessed with reading in my day. Couldn't wait for the next book fair, or to get to the library after school. I try to encourage my nephew to read, and he's like "I don't wanna be in school at home." Just sad.
It really depends on how they were raised, I have several kids, and they were all big readers, including the youngest who is in high school. They were raised to appreciate reading from a very early age, and it was a major part of their free time. Both their mother and I were also heavily into reading growing up, so I suppose some interests do get passed down.
Reading gay comics is not entertaining for 90% of the people.
As a dude who likes dudes, I don't want this crap either.
A large majority of men would still read about hot lesbians.
Not so much if it is just ugly lesbians talking food though, which is what DC and Marvel focus on.
Your stat is low. Of the 2% of the general public that enjoy reading intersectional activist virtue signaling lectures in the form of comics, about 10% out of that 2% are willing to pay to support said intersectional activist virtue signaling lectures.
99.99%
my kids used to love spider-man , batman, superman, but no longer . Now its Space ghost, thundercats, cobra commander, old dc and marvel comics or manga
Ten years ago Adam Hughes said he doesn't draw comics, he only does covers, because the page rate is so bad and covers pay much better. So you see all these comics with amazing covers, but it doesn't match the inside art which is usually worse
DC and Marvel Publishing are extremely in denial.
How ironic. I was told that if I complain about these "woke" cómics it was because I was shouting at something targeted at kids.
I’d like to add a caveat to that statement, kids are not into modern Marvel and DC because I found a kid (my daughter’s friend) who discovered old Teen Titans comics! Her favorite hero is Tim Drake. She tried to read some of the newer comics like Young Justice but thought it was boring. She tried Marvel but found those boring as well. I told her she has to find some of the older runs if she wants to get into Marvel comics.
This is a girl who reads Shonen manga religiously. She also has said that if she wants romance she would read a romance story. She wants her superhero stories to be superhero stories!
She should read those incredible hulk books there good
Yeah, I feel the same. If I'm reading a superhero story I want a story of people who have ideals fighting for what's right. There can be romance in the background, but if the focus is supposed to be superheroes then I want to see them doing hero stuff and getting through tough battles first and foremost because that's what I came for.
They only have to blame themselves... Safe Space and SnowFlake.
The real life snowflakes are more beautiful than the bloat because snowflakes are ice crystals.
How
I read comics a long time ago but lapsed for some time. Two or three years back I was catching up on some comics by buying a bunch of trade paperbacks. Got a lot of enjoyment reading all those stories I missed. But they were older stories. I happened to buy something newer featuring a character I normally enjoy and was like “what the hell is this sh*t?!” I knew I was caught up as much as I needed and shifted my focus to manga.
They turned comics into bad yaoi.
I think that explains it all.
I miss the 90's comic book era.
No one wants to read GAY comics, and that doesn't mean stupid
That doesn't make any sense
It not the characters that the problem. It's the people in charge of Marvel and DC. That's the problem
I wish DC and Marvel hired people who are imaginative storytellers and Avid Fans of these characters instead of these Woke, Agenda-obsessed Non-Fans.
@@oriongear2499 BlackRock is behind all the DEI bs
I wish I didn’t go to art school: I went to art institutes and the main issue at the time is that I wanted to graduate early and make enough money to care for my parents. Unfortunately I was in so much debt it took years and help from my spouse to get out of it. People can learn more now from RUclips than through an official art school. The best thing is to go to art schools that are tied to the company you want to work for or go to a regular college to get a regular degree.
These woke characters need a MR. Freeze overhaul. For this who don’t know, Mr. Freeze was basically a villain of the week character(best way to describe him) that turned into a deep character that you feel sympathy for.
"Everybody chill" - Mr Freeze
I lowkey kind of hope I could work for these companies one day, just to write a good story that makes these characters actually interesting.
But of course, that’s never gonna happen.
You were suppose to be marketing to kids Marvel and DC, not adult-children.
Making comics for 3% of the population doesnt sell alot. You dont say.
Yup I went into a book shop a couple weeks ago when looking at houses with the misses they had normal book sections, comic section was half a shelf Manga was 5 and a half shelves plus several stands for collectors items like cups, tops, posters, figures and random objects. I asked the woman about it she tild me the young ones ds are goong mad for it and they have more book lists now than ever almost all of it is for Manga. Two of my nieces are also deep into Manga 15 and 13 years old.
Adults aren't into it either. They totally fucked up Superman when Bendis took over.
This is what happens when you take all the people who used to write gay superhero slash fiction on Livejournal and give them jobs writing actual comics.
Kids and young adults like manga these days. They find manga characters and stories more interesting than the weird crap that Marvel and DC are releasing now. Also, I didn't think people in the comic industry would still use the pandemic of all things as an excuse. The pandemic's been over for 2 to 3 years now. Marvel and DC just can't accept that younger readers (and most other groups of people) don't like their stuff anymore
The truth I only see people browsing the Mange section at Barnes & Noble but not at Target or Walmart or even a comic book store, unless they're buying them online but who keeps track of that anyways?
Kids don't read. Last time kids were into reading something was during the Harry Potter book craze. I haven't seen a kid coming into an LCS on their own since the 90s. Scholastic isn't comics, they're book store adjacent.
its a shame too. sooo many good stories in books and comics
My daughter and son hates reading BUT their friends are all avid readers! They read everything. The same with my nieces every time I see them their noses are buried in a book. Depending on the kid you know, they may or may not read.
I got started reading Marvel's all ages line called Marvel adventures. Probably the only version of Spiderman that finds happiness with his gf Chat. No unnecessary drama.
It's just a simple fact that the vast majority of kids couldn't give a fuck less about superheroes being gay.
The public craves something that inspired and enlightens them something only master storytellers can do!
disney killed western entertainment
Almost like it was a plan.
Not related to the video.
@@oriongear2499 disney owns Marvel so yeah it does relate
Look on the bright side. This will push the younger generation more towards the golden age of comics.
They like older Marvel and DC.
I miss the days when I used to care about my pull list, but generally these days I just buy omnibusses after the run of something is done. That way I don't have to deal with 30 odd pages of ads and feeling like I'm getting nickel and dimed. And it's great that my collections like nicer on shelves than in boxes.
I’m not surprised, considering the kind of ridiculous crap they’re putting out these days. 🤦♀️
I wish Hasbro would get their heads out of their asses and 1) fully embrace the Skybound/Image Energon Universe comics, 2) make a deal with Netflix and animate the comics stories, toned down for kids, and 3) make affordable, good quality toys for kids based off of the comics. My wife's grandson is three years old. Before you know it, he will be the target demographic age for someone walking down the boys toys aisle at Walmart et al. I mean Lego is the best but come on. The kid needs a little variety of toys that don't suck based on IP that hasn't been turned into the groomer industrial complex and he can buy a figure with a couple weeks' allowance.
yeah because kids nowadays are into manga, manhwa (Korean), manhua (Chinese), light novels, webtoons and web novels, basically Asian literature is on the rise more than ever before you
just like the rest of Asian pop culture and entertainment is taking over and they need to be OUR SANCTUARY from DEI and ESG
Everything changed when the Blackrock nation attacked
@@hertzwave8001 you mean infected and infested and Asia NEEDS AND HAS TO FIGHT THAT OFF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
Pretty much.
That's a recipe for disaster how long can people rely on Asian entertainment I'm not saying it's bad but we want more variety
@@animezilla4486 that's right we shouldn't just solely rely on Asian entertainment we should be getting good entertainment from everywhere in the world especially the West
But for some reason for the past decade or so American/Western entertainment companies have been stubbornly insistent on shoving DEI, ESG and wokeness in our face
Is there still remnants of good Western entertainment? yes but it's far and few when it should be all the time, stuff that unites people and not deliberately divide us
I WANT GOOD ENTERTAINMENT from the West like how it was in the 80s, 90s and 2000s, I just good entertainment from over the world altogether
but until the West decides to change its way and goes back to those fundamentals a lot of us are gonna continue supporting Asian entertainment
Which begs the question of the year,"Who are these comics really for?"
When DC and Marvel feel like making money again, they'll get back to telling good stories as opposed to pushing agendas.
The DC & Marvel of old are dead and gone, they're not coming back from this it's basically over. The talents all gone never to return, the customer base is now miniscule, and there's no replacement generation on the horizon...they're toast and don't realise it yet.
Hahaha I have a MFA in comics from a fancy art school.... I don't regret it, because of how I grew as a person and an artist through that experience, but it definitely was not worth the money I'm paying back for it. The biggest problem was that when I went into it I had no idea what comics actually paid, and I was led to believe that one could make a living doing comics. Which, obviously some do, but with how the industry has tanked in the several years since I graduated, it's getting rarer and rarer. Surprise, I'm not actually working in comics, I got a corporate job doing production design and I'm doing fine (besides that voice in my head saying I wasted my degree by not making comics), but my classmates who ARE working in comics are really struggling to make ends meet with the volatility of the industry. Nowadays there are so many better and cheaper options at learning the craft and the business than going to college for art.
Why would they. They aren't inspirational or cool anymore etc. Just cringe and to much irl stuff. There's a reason why so many and anime are popular.