Okay so: Childless, winos, cat-owning, lesbian, cynical girlboss types . . . We can surely add to the list, but the more you narrow that down, the smaller the target audience gets. And they decided to market a show to THAT small of an audience. Why~?
So the exact same target audience as She-Hulk, because that show did so well. Imagine if Hollywood would hire writers who are capable of writing stories that aren't just meant for themselves and their yoga class.
Imagine they cast people that are good actors and not just diversity hires because they say “well of course we need a trans black they them. How else is the show going to be good?
That's the thing, they are purposefully not hiring great writers because they cannot be controlled. They need talentless hacks who can't write anything that doesn't involve and exterior and specific agenda.
I think actual Wine Mums would watch if there was beefcake. Go and watch "Charmed", it wasn't much better, but it had hot looking men and women in it. But they seem determined to spit at heterosexuals.
They only get away with it as long as somebody still has money to pay them. I'm glad that normies are finally tuning out. I started to think that it would never happen.
@@DaveDangles False stats are easy to falsify. Lowest watched Disney+ show ever is still the lowest watched Disney+ show ever, whichever way they choose to spin it.
Why so many look like Kathleen Kennedy................................................................................................................................
@@busybillyb33 Yup, all raised on non-stop feminist indoctrination from they were toddlers, -all making the same horrible life choices because of it, -and all believing themselves to be oh, so special.
@@kaj7135 Never watched WandaVision but The first episode of Moon Knight was pretty good but after that….. Also, Oscar Isaac did an excellent job at a delivering British accent.👍
Haha, This reminds of the time I was a volunteer on a obstacle run for women. I swear 70% of the women who passed my post joked that me and my buddy should have been shirtless! Cant blame them for wanting a little eye candy while out on a run 😂
@@saltycat662 But they definitely are producing them, once again underlining that it has to be all about themselves, or they got nothing in terms of creativity.
@@robertbeisert3315 Exactly! They hate corporations and men, so blowing through Disney's investors' resources to give men the middle finger by destroying their treasured stories is like a power play.
I think the only positive I have for it is that the practical sets look kind of cool. It's great seeing tactile sets that someone sculpted and built instead of green screened. I wish they had a good story or actors to go with those sets though.
Disney knows no one wants this/these shows, but it doesn't matter. The point is to put their beliefs out there, no matter what. It's okay if it flops, as long as their beliefs are out there. The point isn't to make a movie/show that people like, but to act as if making these shows are an act of "defiance" against the evil fans. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Control over what we watch likely plays a big part of it too, as another aspect of the society wide social engineering, that has been taking place in the West over the past decades, a.k.a. dumbing down. Marvel used to be intellectually challenging, when it was written well. Now it's just stoopid stacked on top of more stoopid.
Irony being that Walt Disney would never have let this slop go into production. He enforced strict rules and dress codes on the women that worked for him lol he was a ruthless business man with high standards and expectations behind the cute mouse logo. Re animated him and he'd clean house like you've never seen.
I don't get it. IS this show some sort of a really expensive prank? We've got middle aged women hiking in the woods, drinking wine, talking about makeup.. and this is supposed to be a MCU show? What's next; book club, shopping online for stuff they don't need, spa day, tennis lessons?
Who told you about the spa day and buying on Temu episodes? Those scripts are supposed to be big secrets. They make up the last and next to last episodes of the season. Unfortunately, the book club episode was going to take place in the second season.
It is fascinating, isn't it. Either they really did sell their souls to devils in exchange for terrible powers, and therefore can't be trusted ... or they're bullshitting about all that and therefore, also can't be trusted. The witch aesthetic is just fucking stupid and I'm sick of it being in the cultural zeitgeist.
The "worst acting in a Marvel project" has some bloody stiff competition, is it really worse than She Hulk? Is there actually a measurable level lower than She Hulk? If the answer is yes then this thing is in trouble.
Yes, this is actually much worse. She Hulk's problem was the script, and to some people the CGI. They acted what they were given fine. I don't think the MCU really has an acting problem, even when it's terrible, it's always the script they're given. The fact that they managed to badly overact what they given makes it so much worse and sets a new low.
3 -- 6-- 9, the goose drank wine, The monkey went dancing on the street-car line, The line broke, the monkey got choked, And they all went to heaven in a little rowboat.
When they found the witches road I literally turned to the person I'm watching it with and said "Oh so we're now doing a follow the yellow brick road". Nothing in this is original. Though the bit that really got me was when they added the skin care products to the brew without opening them. Yeah that petroleum is gonna mix in well from those water tight containers.
Calling it now: Everyone dies, but Agatha reaches the end of the road. Realizes she actually wants her "friends" instead of her powers... only to find out that was the whole test All Along
Because there are no marvel investors. There is only Disney and Disney's piles of il gotten money from the days when it made Snow White, Hercules, and Mulan.
Disney investors are high on the pixie dust. They even talk about it. Not a literal drug, but their nostalgic ideas about the company they remember from their childhood. They will refuse to see anything wrong... perhaps ever.
The Oven acting as a portal was copied from South Park: Joining the Panderverse, I think. So I have to wonder if someone there is desperately trying to signal that they need rescue.
They were working on Agatha for a few years before Panderverse came out (and south park episodes can be made much faster). It’s likely more of a coincidence
@@Br4dSp34d There's always "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" using, well, a wardrobe as a magic portal. Family Guy parodied that with a clothes dryer. So yeah, probably a coincidence.
I agree, the acting is absolutely dire. Take the Agatha actress as an example. Her body language and facial expressions are borderline pantomime, where on stage you necessarily over-act (e.g. voice, facial expressions, physical movements) because you need people at a distance to follow what you're doing.
I mean that’s obviously intentional though. I’m not saying you have to like it but I feel like you’re painting it as if they’re blind to it when everyone making it is clearly aware of it.
@@aidenk7047 If it's intentional and they're aware of what they're doing, even worse they fucking kept going. It should be clear early into production what they're doing isn't working/going to make for a good production. This means they're inept through and through. Them being self aware about it doesn't excuse it or make it any better.
@@aidenk7047 No, I'm not. The style they are going for isn't inherently wrong or bad. Objectively they did a shit job making this show and either had no self awareness about it or WERE aware and kept going. Doubling down isn't generally a good strategy when you're in a losing position.
I just watched three movies in the Hallmark “Martha’s vineyard murders” series and I’m going to track down the fourth. They are pretty good murder mysteries, entertaining characters, pretty setting, bit of a backstory mystery too about the male lead. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else “Hallmark”, but these three weren’t bad or overly romantic.
They need Snarky Jay as a non-drinker to balance out for the Critical Drinker (though watching stuff like Agatha All Along would drive anyone to drink).
Katheryn Hahn gave a good dramatic performance in the horror movie The Visit, so she is definitely capable. But it's clear that with this show the actors were told to just go for high camp and be as over-the-top as possible.
It’s not the audience that are the lonely wine drinking witches it’s the creative department of Disney this resonates with, cause you write what you know.
The 70s country music variety show Hee-Haw had a segment where they'd allow the ladies of the cast to regain a bit of dignity from having to wear the skimpy, revealing hillbilly costumes. They'd perform a choral number; a old fashioned country ditty or hymn. The show's matron Minnie Pearl would announce _"We're gonna sang now."_ then they would impress and Pearl would close with _"We're done singin' now."_ It was cute but they let the women's musical talents and range really shine. Wish they could bring that kind of respect back to media.
Trying to make comic book characters cater to middle aged women is about as foolish as trying to sell a multimillion dollar painting by Rembrandt to a blind person.
So, I'm just really scratching my head. They took Marvel, a property whose primary audience is men and boys and legit thought "No. This is a product made for miserable wine drinking middle-aged women." Like.....what? This isn't mis-management, can't be, you have to be actively attempting to damage the brand cause......fuck.
Agora Hills is not “Massive Wine Country” in any way shape or form … there are not Vineyards everywhere all around … just to set the record straight. 😎🤙🏻
Ok, this show has certain "target audience" thats fine. I just want them to stop telling me I am not allowed to dislike it, and it my fault it's rating are bad when the "target audience" is not watching it. 🤡🌎
That’s all these assholes are good at, blaming people like me and you, and you are correct, they do tell us not to watch it, then it’s always the same thing “why didn’t you watch it” “Well you told us not to watch it” “Didn’t you know we where trying to use reverse psychology card on all of you” “Yeah we’ve all noticed it at this point and we’re done” The sad state of Hollywood as a whole just makes me feel so depressed from the quality that we all used to get
I’m not really sure who’s telling people you can’t dislike stuff but when people are twisting themselves into knots to find things to complain about and being cartoonishly obtuse it’s just kind embarrassing and feels like a waste of time.
They released a funko pop that labels the teen kid as 'wiccan' which is the name of scarlett witch's son when he becomes a super hero. I'm assuming that the whole show is so he can resurrect his mom, but she apparently never had him in this world so it's still weird
I think Agatha forgot the name of the one who died not because of indifference, but it is an effect of "The Witch Road"... strangely she is the only one affected.
I normally don't watch TV, but I was visiting my parents and when I saw an ad for Agatha All Along on TV, I burst out laughing. Both of my parents were confused what was so funny
One thing that Disney seems to not understand is that comic book fans read and watch comics/comic movies to see good triumph over evil. But for some reason they believe there is a large portion of fans who want to see evil win. That's is not why we like these characters, yeah its cool and exciting to see evil win because its something different but the payoff is how the good guys come back and triumph. Also just because a villain is popular doesn't mean we want that villain to be a good guy or a hero. If Its a good villain, who are you going to replace him with to compete with the good guy. Thats another issue when you have a great villain that tgey turn good the new villain tgey replace them with is trash!
You CAN make a series about a (nearly) unredeemable vilain. But you have to make them charismatic and likable as hell, also it's always beneficial if the vilain is facing a very un-sympathetic antagonist.
In the comics, Billy (aka Wiccan) is the REINCARNATION of one of Wanda's (aka Scarlet Witch) children named William (thus 'Billy). So yes, Wands only created her children in imaginary-land with her powers, but it turned out that their SOULS later became actual children in different families. So if you think about it, Billy in this show could be BOTH Wanda's imaginary child AND the child born to Agatha but who she gave up, if that child had William's soul in it.
One correction: It's not for wine moms, it's for wine _aunts,_ the childless spinsters desperately avoiding admitting the "empowerment" they embraced was a lie while watching the moms with envy.
If there are any moms watching Agatha, I suspect these are moms who have moved past wine, past vodka and orange juice and are well into pouring the dregs of many a gin bottle into that gallon jug of Majorska vodka that they bought at some dodgy store far enough up the highway from Boot Key Marina that nobody from the PTA would see them.
You CAN have a story about a character who's motivated by vice to do evil and have it be compelling, even if the character is a bad and unsympathetic person. A number of Scorsese movies are like that. It's usually a morality tale about how burning everything down in pursuit of vice (whether that be greed, pride, etc) ultimately destroys everything and leaves the protagonist with nothing. Wolf of Wall Street was like that, for example. But you need an interesting protagonist and a showrunner who knows what the hell they're doing.
The Wine Moms need their Shows, too. The question is if the MARVEL label is the right label for this kind of audience. At least, the time to release ist chosen right.
Reports are saying that it's their cheaper show and cost less than Echo (which cost $40 million). They didn't say how much it cost, just that it's less than Echo.
5:19 I agree with Mauler, seems they did it pretty light hearted when filming, for nobody cared about the material. Then they realized what bunch of nonsense it was in post. Didn't they reshoot quite a bit?
It was Apathy All Along!
fans : "cast it into the fire, destroy it!"
disney: no
or Agony All Along
and that is the death knell to any entertainment, if it makes me yawn you failed. Getting people angry is far better than boredom.
🏆
Pinnable
its not for wine moms. its for winos. single, girlboss winos.
Yeah. At least the wine moms had kids, which gives them a sense of future. This seems directed at myopic, misanthropic, misandristic cat moms.
I think he meant *lesbian* wine moms.
Childless cat ladies...
Okay so:
Childless, winos, cat-owning, lesbian, cynical girlboss types . . .
We can surely add to the list, but the more you narrow that down, the smaller the target audience gets.
And they decided to market a show to THAT small of an audience. Why~?
Yeah, i’m not sure the ‘modern audience’ looks fondly on motherhood
*Marvel Fans:* “Give us more of what we want”
*Disney:* “No, I don’t think I will”.
MODERN Disney: NEVER!
Current 2020 Disney doesn’t care about making good stuff or telling good stories anymore😞 I miss Older Disney and when it was good.
"It just gets worse"
Motto of the 2020's film-TV media 😂
@@krissteel4074 And more worse
Followers deserve nothing but shit.
So the exact same target audience as She-Hulk, because that show did so well.
Imagine if Hollywood would hire writers who are capable of writing stories that aren't just meant for themselves and their yoga class.
Imagine they cast people that are good actors and not just diversity hires because they say “well of course we need a trans black they them. How else is the show going to be good?
That's the thing, they are purposefully not hiring great writers because they cannot be controlled. They need talentless hacks who can't write anything that doesn't involve and exterior and specific agenda.
Marvel: We're gonna make Agatha all along for middle-aged women who probably don't even watch our material.
Tony Stark: Not a great plan. 🎉
💯💯💯💯. THIS
Wasn't that the target demographic for she hulk - which also nobody watched?
It is if the goal is bankruptcy😂
@@KD-fu8ob womp womp
It's 12% of a plan
Just as a reminder: Agatha takes place in the same universe where Tony Stark holds Peter right before he gets Thanos-snapped.
That cuts deep
em too.
No, everything after endgame that doesn’t involve Spider Man, GOTG, and Deadpool/Wolverine isn’t canon. Not even Captain Marvel
Damn……..that sucks
@@demonking9578 Yes indeed, man. It stinks.
😔
I think actual Wine Mums would watch if there was beefcake. Go and watch "Charmed", it wasn't much better, but it had hot looking men and women in it.
But they seem determined to spit at heterosexuals.
I thought this too, and there's a very good reason why Supernatural lasted over a decade!
Mums 😂
@@jneilson7568love me some hot good looking hunters in flannel shirts
@@nataliabusko1432 capable men in flannels, and the odd gorgeous demon or angel in a trenchcoat, thank you very much 😄🥰
@@jneilson7568 good old days…
First they say the movie is not for you, then they ask why you didn't watch it, then they do it over and over again.
And they call the fans “toxic” / homophobic / bigots / sexist etc for not watching a show that wasn’t made for them, and Kindof tells them to F-off…
They only get away with it as long as somebody still has money to pay them. I'm glad that normies are finally tuning out. I started to think that it would never happen.
9.3 million viewership opening weekend not counting re-watches. Sometimes people make stuff you don't like.
@@DaveDangles False stats are easy to falsify. Lowest watched Disney+ show ever is still the lowest watched Disney+ show ever, whichever way they choose to spin it.
@@thedude5295 how’s it feel to be a small pathetic man-child? You should talk to your doc, probably a couple pills you can take to make things work.
Why so many look like Kathleen Kennedy................................................................................................................................
A coincidence I am sure. 😉
It's the ATTACK OF THE KLONES
Normal late-stage development of homo sapiens, female sex 👽
@@busybillyb33 Yup, all raised on non-stop feminist indoctrination from they were toddlers, -all making the same horrible life choices because of it, -and all believing themselves to be oh, so special.
@@amazingbakingsoda6811 Witches in Star Wars, Witches in Marvel, Witches in the Writing Staff.., Witches who know which closet contains the skeletons
They really think we care about the winking lady meme from Wanda Vision.
I didn’t even watch a single episode of Wandavision 😂LOL. The MCU is so dead.
@@chasehedges6775The first 2 episodes were actually pretty cool and original… but then it spiraled into mediocre slop like most shows these days.
@@kaj7135 Never watched WandaVision but The first episode of Moon Knight was pretty good but after that….. Also, Oscar Isaac did an excellent job at a delivering British accent.👍
Hot take: I actually enjoyed Agatha's character in Wandavision. Kinda mixed on her heel turn though. 🤔
Rest in Peace, Maggie Smith aka Professor Minerva McGonnagall, the greatest witch from Hogwarts.
❤
She passed away?!
Good riddance
@@Usernamehear correct, just yesterday
😂 @@YouilAushana
I'm a woman in my 40s. I have no desire to watch this. Marvel needs to get back to muscled men in tight costumes. 😊
Here Queen, you dropped this. 👑
I'm in my 60s , had a career but no kids due to things beyond my control. My idea of a chick flick: Tombstone. Ah, yeah, baby!!
I love you for this comment 😂
Haha, This reminds of the time I was a volunteer on a obstacle run for women. I swear 70% of the women who passed my post joked that me and my buddy should have been shirtless! Cant blame them for wanting a little eye candy while out on a run 😂
lol you’re awesome, and correct. Give the dang audience what they want!
Don't ask product, just consume questions.
Don't questions product, just consume ask.
Product. ask don't question, just consume
Consume ask. Just don't product questions.
What are next?!
Brand to the loyalty..To Disney Loyalty.
The power of one,
The power of two,
The power of maaaaany glasses of wine.
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You can't spell bottles
When they say its not made for you, the reason is that its intended audience is the writer.
Is any of these fucking shows NOT intended for wine moms?
Wine moms aren't even watching this.
@@saltycat662 But they definitely are producing them, once again underlining that it has to be all about themselves, or they got nothing in terms of creativity.
They seem to be too busy drinking or "cougaring" to actually watch the show.
They're not made for the audience. They're made for the creator.
@@robertbeisert3315 Exactly! They hate corporations and men, so blowing through Disney's investors' resources to give men the middle finger by destroying their treasured stories is like a power play.
Watching that show is Agony: All Along.
I think the only positive I have for it is that the practical sets look kind of cool. It's great seeing tactile sets that someone sculpted and built instead of green screened. I wish they had a good story or actors to go with those sets though.
Disney knows no one wants this/these shows, but it doesn't matter. The point is to put their beliefs out there, no matter what. It's okay if it flops, as long as their beliefs are out there. The point isn't to make a movie/show that people like, but to act as if making these shows are an act of "defiance" against the evil fans. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Control over what we watch likely plays a big part of it too, as another aspect of the society wide social engineering, that has been taking place in the West over the past decades, a.k.a. dumbing down. Marvel used to be intellectually challenging, when it was written well. Now it's just stoopid stacked on top of more stoopid.
Irony being that Walt Disney would never have let this slop go into production. He enforced strict rules and dress codes on the women that worked for him lol he was a ruthless business man with high standards and expectations behind the cute mouse logo. Re animated him and he'd clean house like you've never seen.
Well, he IS cryogenically frozen.
Reanimating him might be possible someday.
@@Dr_Paul_Proteus bro will go into shock after seeing the snow white trailer
I don't get it. IS this show some sort of a really expensive prank? We've got middle aged women hiking in the woods, drinking wine, talking about makeup.. and this is supposed to be a MCU show? What's next; book club, shopping online for stuff they don't need, spa day, tennis lessons?
Exactly. I wanted some magical stuff, witchcraft, mystery, darkness, maybe some scary stuff, but not this
Not to mention it’s boring af
Who told you about the spa day and buying on Temu episodes? Those scripts are supposed to be big secrets. They make up the last and next to last episodes of the season. Unfortunately, the book club episode was going to take place in the second season.
Maybe the point of the show is to teach us that witches are vile, terrible, evil creatures? Lost knowledge in the current age.
Indeed, they all seem to crave power, so they can do harm. And we are supposed to root for them?
Half of Hollywood starlets identify as witches. And the current crop of show writers are so amoral that they can't tell good guys from bad guys.
It is fascinating, isn't it. Either they really did sell their souls to devils in exchange for terrible powers, and therefore can't be trusted ... or they're bullshitting about all that and therefore, also can't be trusted. The witch aesthetic is just fucking stupid and I'm sick of it being in the cultural zeitgeist.
What the hell has happened to Marvel...
It's going through pukification. One's it's out of that, it will go smooth. But dunno when that will happen.
It was ‘problematized’ so that it could be repurposed into another bland propaganda spewing mouthpiece for the State.
It…. went down hill and was always inconsistent, tbh
Siphoning money from Hollywood and taxpayers to influential individuals
Die a hero or live long enough to become villain, apparently
The "worst acting in a Marvel project" has some bloody stiff competition, is it really worse than She Hulk?
Is there actually a measurable level lower than She Hulk? If the answer is yes then this thing is in trouble.
Both are equally bad
Worst acting in a Marvel project? That's hyperbole.
Yes, this is actually much worse. She Hulk's problem was the script, and to some people the CGI. They acted what they were given fine.
I don't think the MCU really has an acting problem, even when it's terrible, it's always the script they're given.
The fact that they managed to badly overact what they given makes it so much worse and sets a new low.
3 -- 6-- 9, the goose drank wine,
The monkey went dancing on the street-car line,
The line broke, the monkey got choked,
And they all went to heaven in a little rowboat.
I first heard this in a Sleepytime Gorilla Museum song
It's Wizard of Oz with wine mums.
Agatha All Along is nothing like Wizard of Oz.
When they found the witches road I literally turned to the person I'm watching it with and said "Oh so we're now doing a follow the yellow brick road". Nothing in this is original.
Though the bit that really got me was when they added the skin care products to the brew without opening them. Yeah that petroleum is gonna mix in well from those water tight containers.
Calling it now: Everyone dies, but Agatha reaches the end of the road. Realizes she actually wants her "friends" instead of her powers... only to find out that was the whole test All Along
Literally "your real power was the friends you made along the way"?
they would literally be better stealing plot lines from MLP at this point.
How haven’t marvel investors completely lost their shit & started a coup against the directors & writers?
Because there are no marvel investors. There is only Disney and Disney's piles of il gotten money from the days when it made Snow White, Hercules, and Mulan.
@@VallornDeathblade And BlackRock/Vanguard enforcing behaviors.
It can happen. There's a civil war going down in Ubisoft now.
Disney investors are high on the pixie dust. They even talk about it. Not a literal drug, but their nostalgic ideas about the company they remember from their childhood. They will refuse to see anything wrong... perhaps ever.
@@valcristPL blackrock bank rolls them too, they just keep funding them so they can afford to bleed money
The Oven acting as a portal was copied from South Park: Joining the Panderverse, I think. So I have to wonder if someone there is desperately trying to signal that they need rescue.
Poor college student got conned by craiglist ad made by Disney
They were working on Agatha for a few years before Panderverse came out (and south park episodes can be made much faster). It’s likely more of a coincidence
The tribe longs for the oven
@@Br4dSp34d There's always "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" using, well, a wardrobe as a magic portal. Family Guy parodied that with a clothes dryer. So yeah, probably a coincidence.
What if I drink wine to you guys instead 🍷
Prost! 🍻
Salud
Chas! 🍺
Hölökyn kölökyn!
Go easy on the drinking game rules or you might die.
I agree, the acting is absolutely dire. Take the Agatha actress as an example. Her body language and facial expressions are borderline pantomime, where on stage you necessarily over-act (e.g. voice, facial expressions, physical movements) because you need people at a distance to follow what you're doing.
I mean that’s obviously intentional though. I’m not saying you have to like it but I feel like you’re painting it as if they’re blind to it when everyone making it is clearly aware of it.
@@aidenk7047 If it's intentional and they're aware of what they're doing, even worse they fucking kept going. It should be clear early into production what they're doing isn't working/going to make for a good production.
This means they're inept through and through. Them being self aware about it doesn't excuse it or make it any better.
@@TaskMaster5 It’s just the style of filmmaking, I think you’re mixing your personal taste with the objective quality of the series.
@@aidenk7047 No, I'm not. The style they are going for isn't inherently wrong or bad. Objectively they did a shit job making this show and either had no self awareness about it or WERE aware and kept going. Doubling down isn't generally a good strategy when you're in a losing position.
@@TaskMaster5 But how so specifically?
I love that I clicked on a video called “Agatha is for wine moms” and was met with an ad from America’s wine mom, Kamala Harris.
1:38 I cannot unseen how well Lance's face is positioned over Mauler's torso.
He's been offering Snarky that drink for hours now lol
Hearing that Snarky doesn't drink, hell yeah! You go girl!
I just watched three movies in the Hallmark “Martha’s vineyard murders” series and I’m going to track down the fourth. They are pretty good murder mysteries, entertaining characters, pretty setting, bit of a backstory mystery too about the male lead. I don’t know if I’ve seen anything else “Hallmark”, but these three weren’t bad or overly romantic.
Oh me too! They are actually pretty good!
Snarky Jay: I actually don’t drink.
Critical Drinker: You are not one of us anymore!
They need Snarky Jay as a non-drinker to balance out for the Critical Drinker (though watching stuff like Agatha All Along would drive anyone to drink).
Katheryn Hahn gave a good dramatic performance in the horror movie The Visit, so she is definitely capable. But it's clear that with this show the actors were told to just go for high camp and be as over-the-top as possible.
i am a whine mom and also own cats, i tell you i am more a Godfather fan than this shytty products
Did they not just see Michelle Gomez in Doctor Who and go, "We need something like that!"?
It’s not the audience that are the lonely wine drinking witches it’s the creative department of Disney this resonates with, cause you write what you know.
We used to call "wine moms" "winos" and they would shamble under bridges with brown, bottled-shaped bags.
If it was a Warlock show, Kitty Forman would still be alive!
If you despair about female directors, I think you'll find great hope or the future after seeing two films out right now: The Substance and My Old Ass
None of this matters. These people already successfully destroyed everything that they set out to destroy.
It's already been spoiled in a Funko Pop.
Unfortunately, Locke is playing Billy Kaplan (Wiccan) the "reincarnation" of Billy Maximoff.
The 70s country music variety show Hee-Haw had a segment where they'd allow the ladies of the cast to regain a bit of dignity from having to wear the skimpy, revealing hillbilly costumes.
They'd perform a choral number; a old fashioned country ditty or hymn. The show's matron Minnie Pearl would announce _"We're gonna sang now."_ then they would impress and Pearl would close with _"We're done singin' now."_
It was cute but they let the women's musical talents and range really shine. Wish they could bring that kind of respect back to media.
Trying to make comic book characters cater to middle aged women is about as foolish as trying to sell a multimillion dollar painting by Rembrandt to a blind person.
So, I'm just really scratching my head.
They took Marvel, a property whose primary audience is men and boys and legit thought "No. This is a product made for miserable wine drinking middle-aged women."
Like.....what?
This isn't mis-management, can't be, you have to be actively attempting to damage the brand cause......fuck.
Disparu needs to invite Snarky Jay to Saucy Saturday.
Careful some guy who doesn't work on the comics he promised will attack you for this
"I've never read Shakespeare, but that shouldn't interfere with my portrayal of Prospero."
Maybe the wine is to cope, I could sure use some more alcoholism if this is what's served.
Agora Hills is not “Massive Wine Country” in any way shape or form … there are not Vineyards everywhere all around … just to set the record straight. 😎🤙🏻
So are we really surprised that a bunch of middle aged, single, childless women don't like each other or get along?
Snarky Jaaaayy!!!!
Always a delight to see her on the stream
I need to watch this on 2x speed to get through it
Jac “who is Mephisto?” Schafer is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to fully realize her wine aunt fanfic. Let that sink in
Was a great episode and I loved every second!
Every single character in this show is just despicable, undeserving and neither fun nor attractive to look at
Ok, this show has certain "target audience" thats fine. I just want them to stop telling me I am not allowed to dislike it, and it my fault it's rating are bad when the "target audience" is not watching it. 🤡🌎
This.
That’s all these assholes are good at, blaming people like me and you, and you are correct, they do tell us not to watch it, then it’s always the same thing “why didn’t you watch it”
“Well you told us not to watch it”
“Didn’t you know we where trying to use reverse psychology card on all of you”
“Yeah we’ve all noticed it at this point and we’re done”
The sad state of Hollywood as a whole just makes me feel so depressed from the quality that we all used to get
I’m not really sure who’s telling people you can’t dislike stuff but when people are twisting themselves into knots to find things to complain about and being cartoonishly obtuse it’s just kind embarrassing and feels like a waste of time.
@aidenk7047 lots of people, critics, pr people, the showrunners, the writer and actors, as I am considered the "target audience",
Agatha All Along: The Crone Wars
"Free Agents" for good K Hahn.
Hold on…. I told a writer your EXACT comment about Agatha, a week ago. I am not kidding. What is happening?!
Thank you for suffering through these shows so we don’t have to.
They released a funko pop that labels the teen kid as 'wiccan' which is the name of scarlett witch's son when he becomes a super hero. I'm assuming that the whole show is so he can resurrect his mom, but she apparently never had him in this world so it's still weird
Also, the fact that the first symptom affects their looks, is a clue to the fact that the potions witch's products are unhealthy.
RIP to Meggie Smith known as Professor Minerva McGonnagall for you would kicked Agatha Harkness’s ass akk over the Witch’s Road.
'Wine Moms All Along'
Drinker you realize the only people that really could remember the sixties are pushing 70 to 80 years old minimum right?
It's actually called "Women who Wine" and they host it at your local 2 star hotel lounges lol
I hate how protected this man is by his money. He deserves prison time immediately. He's long overdue
Agatha is even bad in being evil...
And its now been spoiled that Aubrey Plaza's character is Lady Death who of course has been made into a seeming romantic foil for Agatha
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
- Macbeth
Notice how the guys are framed in the camera vs the other 1
I think Agatha forgot the name of the one who died not because of indifference, but it is an effect of "The Witch Road"... strangely she is the only one affected.
Lance is lined up perfectly with MauLer's avatar in the background picture for the livestream. 😆
I love it when we get those little bonuses.
Apparently having show specially tailored for wine moms not enough, they also want superhero
Or they’re desperate for money.
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You can't be desperate for money and do the s#it they keep doing
@@marshalsunrise6582 Good point but it could be both.
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My wife loves it, I’ve come to terms that this one just isn’t for me. At least it makes her happy
The lady who plays Agatha has the manliest jawline ever, and fish lips too. 😂
This episode was sponsored by Cat Lovers Winery's new line of the Finest White, Red and Rosè Box Wines!!
I normally don't watch TV, but I was visiting my parents and when I saw an ad for Agatha All Along on TV, I burst out laughing. Both of my parents were confused what was so funny
Agatha The Winebox Witch.
So is every episode going to be 'you always have enough all along if you stick together'.
One thing that Disney seems to not understand is that comic book fans read and watch comics/comic movies to see good triumph over evil. But for some reason they believe there is a large portion of fans who want to see evil win. That's is not why we like these characters, yeah its cool and exciting to see evil win because its something different but the payoff is how the good guys come back and triumph. Also just because a villain is popular doesn't mean we want that villain to be a good guy or a hero. If Its a good villain, who are you going to replace him with to compete with the good guy. Thats another issue when you have a great villain that tgey turn good the new villain tgey replace them with is trash!
You CAN make a series about a (nearly) unredeemable vilain. But you have to make them charismatic and likable as hell, also it's always beneficial if the vilain is facing a very un-sympathetic antagonist.
In the comics, Billy (aka Wiccan) is the REINCARNATION of one of Wanda's (aka Scarlet Witch) children named William (thus 'Billy). So yes, Wands only created her children in imaginary-land with her powers, but it turned out that their SOULS later became actual children in different families.
So if you think about it, Billy in this show could be BOTH Wanda's imaginary child AND the child born to Agatha but who she gave up, if that child had William's soul in it.
Snarky Jay is like the Aubrey Plaza we need
Even "wine moms" are not watching this show. 😅
One correction: It's not for wine moms, it's for wine _aunts,_ the childless spinsters desperately avoiding admitting the "empowerment" they embraced was a lie while watching the moms with envy.
If there are any moms watching Agatha, I suspect these are moms who have moved past wine, past vodka and orange juice and are well into pouring the dregs of many a gin bottle into that gallon jug of Majorska vodka that they bought at some dodgy store far enough up the highway from Boot Key Marina that nobody from the PTA would see them.
You CAN have a story about a character who's motivated by vice to do evil and have it be compelling, even if the character is a bad and unsympathetic person. A number of Scorsese movies are like that. It's usually a morality tale about how burning everything down in pursuit of vice (whether that be greed, pride, etc) ultimately destroys everything and leaves the protagonist with nothing. Wolf of Wall Street was like that, for example. But you need an interesting protagonist and a showrunner who knows what the hell they're doing.
It’s Anguish all along
So it's a Disney production flipping the script on a villain in an attempt to make them sympathetic? Original!!
I called this out on Facebook, and people attacked me saying “wine moms deserve representation”.
Well if enough Wine Moms watch, then all good. But...will they?
Kathryn Hahn was enjoyable in parks and recreation.
I'm waiting for the final episode where one of the characters said that it was all because of..... "Agatha all along."
The Wine Moms need their Shows, too. The question is if the MARVEL label is the right label for this kind of audience. At least, the time to release ist chosen right.
Reports are saying that it's their cheaper show and cost less than Echo (which cost $40 million). They didn't say how much it cost, just that it's less than Echo.
5:19 I agree with Mauler, seems they did it pretty light hearted when filming, for nobody cared about the material. Then they realized what bunch of nonsense it was in post. Didn't they reshoot quite a bit?
Show should be called “Harkness Falls”.