Soundcheck Blindfold Challenges - Snare Drums
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Name that drum!
Musicians sometimes ‘taste with our eyes’, hearing quality based on how a drum looks, not necessarily how it sounds.
In this challenge, Jared Falk teamed up with technique guru Bruce Becker (of Drum Technique Made Easy) to see if they could identify the following three snares while blindfolded:
5.5 x 14 DW design series snare
5.5 x 14 Yamaha Recording Custom 20th Anniversary snare
6.5 x 14 Ludwig Supraphonic steel snare
To control some of the variables, all snares have the same Evans G2 head, and they all have the exact same tension.
Test your ears and play along! Make sure you close your eyes and listen, and we reveal the answers at 5m30s.
How did you do? Which snare is your favorite?
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I appreciate the willingness to look foolish in putting out these blind taste test videos. They're a lot of fun and drum shell myth busting is good content.
5:26
Jared: I think it has that wooden tone...
Camera: **shows steel shell**
Busted! How much do we all pay attention to what we see, instead of the sound. I like them all and would use any of them at a gig. These are all quality drums.
Rich And that you have so much influence by choosing your heads, snares and tuning.
I wish I had seen these as they came out. I could watch this series all day.
That's a Supralite, not a Supraphonic. Big difference in price point, shell material, and hardware.
PicardManeuver you took the words from me, but also construction( seamless shell), might I add.
Apparently not in sound though! 😂😂😂
Neal Babbitt not to their ears. I mean c’mon they called the Chinese drum a Supra, if that doesn’t give you confidence in their opinions?🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@keithmounts1305 it doesn't matter where it's from, a good drum, is a good drum.
Neal Babbitt the supralite is not a good drum. My opinion.
I think the Yama had richer tone, the DW had excellent bottom yet a good crack to it. Ludwig has a good combo of both. Try it again with Remo heads.
Yes Remo sounds warmer most of the time. But for snare testing Evans is the better choice maybe. The frequency tolerance is higher, it is easier to get the same sound on all three snares.
I liked the DW the most
The DW is how I feel about your mum.
Why not a 100 bucks snare in the mix just for the hell of it?
Matija Tatomirovic the supralite is a $100 snare. Lol. Why they were calling it a supraphonic, idk? A supraphonic would of blown the tension rods off the others. 😆
@@keithmounts1305 😂😂😂 in that case we are missing supraphonic in the mix
It would be rad!
I'm very happy with a 10 lug Pearl steal shell bought for $50. Added lug gaskets, 12 strand wires, and a skyntone batter. Sounds crisp and dry for my big band gigs.
@@a.j.wilkes6352 i could say the same about my Imperialstar Steel snare. I cant even find anything on it on the web. It's Supraphonic shaped, not the older 80's model.
As I mentioned in my comments for your cymbal “blind” test, I love this activity! SUPERCOOL! Please continue. And you’re not dumb, you’re brilliant. Such a fantastic idea and process!!
Wow! This is a great video. Well, if the pros don't know which drum is which, then I guess that gear doesn't matter! The only thing that matters is how you play the drum!!
Cannot give this enough likes. Most of. The sound is either in your head or how you tune and play.
@@edrcozonoking I hear ya! I was so stoked to see that they used the exact head combo on all of the drums. This is one of the things that frusterates me the most when looking for drum comparison videos on RUclips. Great job @Drumeo
couldn’t be more right! different gear gives you those different subtleties and changes in tone, but when it comes down to it, it’s all in the player
🤔 Huh.... So you're saying that gear brand doesn't matter nearly as much as a player's skill and talent....? Well then, I guess it's no wonder that every set I've ever played sounded completely freaking awesome! It was all just down to me being a world-class badass drummer.... Now I know! 😁
@@HighlanderNorth1 lol!
Keep these “blind” tests coming! Love it that the PROS can even get it wrong sometimes. Connecting with you on a very down-to-earth way through these videos. Thanks for making yourselves vulnerable. Love the mix of known/unknown, confidence to surprise, and a genuine honesty to it all. Laced with small measure of observed organic embarrassment with yourselves, these videos are plain FUN to watch! Thank you for being real!
Loved both the Yamaha and the Ludwig, please do more of these challenges!
What a cool and original idea. Fun to watch. Thanks drumeo.
The throw-off sound was a give-away. Nice video.
And these people are hugging snares on everyday basis and still can't hear the difference between a steel and a wood one. So much for these endless snare charts.
I wonder what would be the results if it was a double blind test)
I luv these...keep em comin !!!
Nice to see that I'm not the only one who gets confused I'm identifying the brands of the snares by year, feel more human now lol
This is awesome!!
Excellent video Jared great approach and idea. It should be also apply to cymbals
More videos are on the way. :)
YES - compare some K Zildjian rides and crashes to lesser priced Zildjian professional models. I have had mixed results with K crashes. All down to personal preference I know.
All those snares drums are GORGEOUS!!
Love these blindfold videos!
What tha Falk! Haha all falks given love you guys love drumeo love that I found you guys 3 years ago!
Interesting to see how you can use this to find a sound you really like
Ya I agree!!!👍👍👍
I am hung up on DW sound. It's really unfair to the other 2 awesome drum companies participating in this experiment to consider myself qualified to say. Great video!
I have a theory as to why they thought the wood snares sounded more metallic - the choice of the G2 drumhead. In my experience, non-damped 2 ply heads tend to give snare quite a ringy sound and I can definitely can see why it might fool someone into thinking that a wood shell is a metal shell. So much so that by the time they got to the 3rd snare, they were so convinced one of the previous ones was metal, there was no chance of them coming to that conclusion for the 3rd snare because to them the option was already eliminated. As the most popular choice of snare head is the single ply 10 mil coated head, I think it would have been a more useful test had they used that type of head. Especially as (at least in my opinion) single ply heads give a purer representation of the sound of the drum itself. Certainly had they used a single ply head and/or the drums had been presented in a different order, I think the results would be different.
I like Remo Ambassador Coated and my original Ludwig snare head coated also is Single ply and it bounces great for rolls. I think even better than Remo Ambassador.
So it doesn't matter which shell you use if you can make wooden drum sound like a metallic just changing heads....
@@juhapeltola8232 The problem with switching to a 2-ply head on a snare is you lose quite a lot of sensitivity which, as someone who likes to play ghost notes, can become a real issue. I think it actually works better the other way around - I find it's easier to make a metal shell sound "woody" just through a little bit of dampening. I now have a brass snare which I use like 90% of the time and it can handle pretty much any gig with the appropriate amount of dampening. I wouldn't go as far as saying the shell doesn't matter. But I do think one snare can cover a LOT of ground if you know how to effectively manipulate it's sound with different tunings, dampening, heads etc. And I find brass shells to be particularly great because they give you so much tone to work with in the first place.
These videos are great!
Hi Drumeo, Again the Ludwig supralite serie is awesome! I own one, the 5,5 X14 version! The two lasr album recording I did, the producer wanted the supralite over more expensive snare drum I have. WOW!!!! Awesome video!
We need this video series back!
That's is so interesting. I wish to see more of blindflod challenges!! with different artists!!
I like the Yamaha best. Very rich body tone and a very nice "crunch". I'm consoled that these high-end snares have the same annoying ring and wire buzz as my cheap Mapex steel snare. And it was really enjoyable to watch you guys having fun doing this.
It’s funny because the Modern Drummer podcast did something very similar with different types of wood snares. It put a gigantic hold on my snare buying obsession.
I did this blind and guessed the same as them J. I really liked the DW the best. So nice and warm like getting splashed in the face with a cup of breakfast tea.
That was great.
they all sounded good
This is interesting! Good that you used this video anyways!
First one was incredible
I thought all three were the Ludwig.
Definitely that Yamaha for me, well rounded sound for multiple genres.
Would have liked to see a Pork Pie Big Black thrown in just for fun. For the $$$ it is pretty great snare.
Gr8 vid! So this in store and do a blindfolded buy. Plz do more blindfolded challenges in da future! Wood 4 me i love wood 4 da snap crackle n pop
I played along and I thought the exact same thing!
Wow guys you really know your snares 😂
Ok - This test was very hard not as the cymbaltest! I play Yamaha but my favortite here was the Ludwig.
Greetigns from Germany!
that was fun
These blindfold seems to show we do hear with our eyes 😂
I'd love to see you guys do hi-hats
Got it right!
I made the same mistake as well! And I also liked the Ludwig snare the most! Nice to know that I have the same taste as Jared 😂
Interesting that neither picked the DW. I’ve always been a Yamaha and Ludwig fan, but I prefer the Supraphonic with aluminum shell over steel.
I chose the same ones as you guys and I listened without watching 😉no biggie 👌
The DW has the more obvious difference in sound. I peg that one during the blindfold test, but I mixed up the Ludwig and the Yamaha too! Personally, I like the DW the best; always wanted one, but lo and behold I play a Tama due to price point... cheers!
Pearl aluminium snare ...The best !
Fun!
Definitely need to throw in some lower end drums as well.
And not tell them what they will be playing
idn The Ludwig here is lower end or mid level at least. I bought mine new for $150.00’s but they go for $200.00 far cheaper then the Yamaha and DW. He said it is a supraphonic but it is not it is a supralite.
The Ludwig is definitely a lower end drum, it's Ludwig's cheapest snare I'm pretty sure, just a plain steel shell
I had the DW correct, but had the Ludwig and the Yamaha flipped, which is weird, because I play both Ludwig and Yamaha snares, and never DW. I'd be happy with the sound from any of them though. They all sounded good.
So, it’s “The Pepsi Challenge” of snare drums! 🤣
dope
Haha! Funny and interesting 👍👍🥁🔥DC
The third one did it for me
Hilarious, good to have some fun and not be serious
Couldn't tell the difference between wood and metal wow!
David Conrad 😂
Try by yourself: with five drummers we blind-tested about 80 snare drums and we failed more than once .I am a pro drummer since 1965 and even confused a piccolo and a "Rock nine". that's fun.
Jared is permanently doing a Jack McBreyer impression
Haha. I thought the first one was the Ludwig too. Yamaha definitely makes great drums.
DW Definitely
Yamaha but they all sounded good. Which heads did you use?
great vid so how about a hihat test. 14 inches as used mostly.
Ok cool it’s not just me who does this. It’s actually kinda easy to differentiate marching drums and what heads they use. I stunned one of my friends when he was watching a video of a some guy playing and I guessed it out of the blue
I will go with the dw one
My 14"x6.5" star walnut wide open, no muffling, sounds pretty much like my first set, a Ludwig stainless steel drum set that came with a Supraphonic snare. But I don't like that hollow ringing sound, so I have a little muffling on it, and it's got a great fat sound like a studio snare does not.
The Ludwig badge is Blue, olive, and silver at the bottom where the serial number is, its not a keystone, its like a slanted square.
Def liked the Yamaha
Not to “go down a rabbit hole” but my suggestion for drums is to go back to the same ones (and others of course if you do more) and set up with different heads and maybe tunings (again, rabbit hole). Also, it might be interesting that once you get through enough drums and cymbals, that you put kits together based on your ratings (#1s go together and so on) and blind test. I can’t stress enough how much I enjoyed the two “blind” tests!
More of these comparisons! So many opportunities, So much fun!
First 1, i liked best^^
Do china cymbal next please!
How about a Hendrix 6" African Padauk stave snare - let's see if anyone can tell the difference between solid wood and ply. Padauk is often used for marimba tone plates.
The last one
Really interesting. Made me think I should do blind test every time I go and buy a drum and cymbal. Hmmmm
i would go with the DW
Sonor vs Pearl vs DW vs Yamaha
This was a fun challenge... helps to reinforce the concept... it's the drummer not the drum. Question: why a 2 ply head... don't most drummers use single ply?
I play Ludwig Supraphonic 14"*5.5" deep for 35 years Last 10 years bronze and befor i think it was aluminium with chrome. I changed my Pearl Master Custom Maple snare for a Ludwig snare : If i could have 2 ...yes that snare also had character but i am a soft hitter and it was not at Marching Band volume level for me. I also like Premier snares.
I got the Ludwig right but mixed the two wood snares
I love all of these snares but for some reason I didn't really love the sound of any of them in the recording. I don't know why but none of them stuck out to me as my ideal sound.
The DW was the best in my opinion
I am a beginner, self taught with nothing but these videos and internet resources to draw from. Can anyone give me a straight answer as to what exactly goes into eliminating the infernal ringing sound of a snare drum? Thanks in advance!
Cool :)
Blind test I got all right lol but the ludwig vs yamaha was a bit confusing
*hits a dab*
Nice concept! How about you throw in some cheaper snares too and see if price really makes a difference? Also, I believe Jared said something about an egg on his face if he got it wrong. Still waiting.
almog bianchi a comparison of inexpensive and expensive metal snares would be interesting. Take a page from Andertons, they do really good blindfold videos.
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Should throw in some ultra low end stuff like sound percussion and C & B percussion or as I call it coc & balz
The bias is real.
Listen with your ears, not with your wallet.
THE BLACK BEAUTY CLASSIC
IS IT ON?????
This PROVES that staying with "Your" favorite Drum Brand means Nothing.
I think that people have the idea in their heads that metal snares ring more than wood snares, which is usually not the case. I have a pretty decent snare drum collection, and I've found that my Ludwig Classic Maple snare has a much more pronounced high-pitched than Black Beauty, Supraphonic, Acrolite, or Supralite snares have, but this is something I really only learned after playing them one right after the other.
People have the idea in their "heads."
I see what you did there! LOL Cheers!
What I find interesting is how much better the tone and attack from Jared wasn’t as good as Bruce. You can tell he has a lifetime of technique and wisdom.
I’m thinking I need to finally pony up and get onto Drumeo...
do it without influencing each others decision...so don't let each other know what u choose until the end...maybe take the test separately...I dunno im no producer/director/whatever,,,but this is really cool
If you do any blindfold test, make sure you play on each drum long enough to know what it feels like and what it sounds like, and THEN do it blindfolded.
I thought it was
Ludwig
DW
Yamaha
the Lars Ulrich overtone strikes again!!
This is why you don’t need 35 $900 snare drums. Most people can’t tell the difference.