History of WWI Primer 040: Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher Carbines Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2016
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Die Hand- und Faustfeuerwaffen der habsburgischen Heere
Erich Gabriel
Repetier- und Automatische Handfeuer Waffen
Konrad Edler von Kromar
Mannlicher Rifles and Pistols (tranlated from above)
Walter H. B. Smith
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This week's song was:
"Unter dem Doppeladler" by Josef Wagner
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I know it must sound incredibly strange to some people but Othais and the guys from C&Rsenal, your videos are so soothing and relaxing for me. I absolutely love listening to them when I'm trying to wind down after a stressful few days! Thank you and please never stop being so cool. c:
Thanks, that's really nice to hear. But you should probably finish the video, what if I just started screaming in the middle?
C&Rsenal If I can deal with the gunfire I can deal with the shouty Othais! C:
I agree, sometimes its the only way I can fall asleep.
I am currently watching this after another long and tiring day on my film set job, cooking dinner, and will eat the dinner to this and relax. Totally agree with you on this front.
Agreed, I play them while handloading. It's like the intro and outro music or something I can't explain it.
Mannlicher is probably the most underrated Gun maker. There are a few others but Mannlicher needs some credit.
werd
It's like a 30 carbine for the turn of the century. Short, lightweight and easy to throw around. Love it
Another great video , guys! I have an M1895/30 Stutzen and have always wondered why more countries did not adopt it. It is one of the few bolt guns that allow you to cock from the shoulder and thus keep your sight picture for follow up shots. Someone said it was because the locking lugs were too weak. Having fired a lot of the 8*56R cartridges, I can tell you that they hold up just fine, so weakness was not the reason. Great little rifles that kick like mules.
The Yugoslavs didn't think it was weak, they modified a bunch of them to shoot 8mm Mauser. I have one and haven't seen any issues with the locking lugs....
PCShogun I agree, the recoil is punishing. I have one too and I'd love to start reloading so I can load it down some. Plus 8x56r is kind of pricey but I love my stutzen so much.
This channel convinced me to buy an M85 Carbine, and can't get the K11 out of my head. Excellent content, good people.
You are right about Mannlicher not being recognized as being as genius as he was. But I can asure you that at least in Austria his Name is still very famous amongst people who shoot for hunting and sporting. As the original Mannlicher-Schönauer was produced until 1972 in its sporting form. It is described as the finest bolt action sporting rifle by some, and when the production stopped because by that time it was more expensive to produce than for what it was sold for, Austrian hunters were very disappointed. The successor, the Steyr-Mannlicher obviously reused the Mannlicher name more than 60 years after Mannlicher himself died when introduced in 1969, it came into military use as the Steyr SSG-69, an excellent sniper rifle. Heck, even its successor the Mannlicher SBS-96 recycled his name in 1996, and its variants do up to this day.
Mae always looks so happy when she shoot!
As an austrian i very appreciated this series. Keep up the good work !
Thanks!
Ja hab i mir a denkt.
I always seem to learn new stuff about my guns from you. i can't imagine how much research you must be doing. Thanks so much to you and Mae for your efforts,
It is... a lot.
Got to shoot one of these carbines recently - I was very happy with how smooth the action was and thoroughly impressed with the enbloc clip. Very cool gun!
I have really enjoyed this Mannlicher series. You guys do a great show and really know your stuff. Well done!
Thank you, I'm glad it went well.
*falls asleep watching C&Rsenal videos*
*wakes up to pig noises*
"'Kay bye guys!!!"
wot
"Tea. Earl Grey. Hot."
"Agh! Make it snow, Mister Laforge! Make . . . it . . . SNOW!"
I watch every week. Thanks for all your hard work.
Thanks for the perfect attendance!
Awww yess, I have looking forward to this all day long!
What if it's shit?
C&Rsenal quit that!
Watching this 6+ years later, I sure hope Othais got a mental health day or two since then. I kinda doubt it though, this team works their asses off!
I think Mae really wants you to find the smoother action stutzen conversion...that little sounds she made spoke volumes!
any videos on it?
Another outstanding video, on another fantastic rifle. Thank you!
Thanks for pointing out the difference between the long and short rear adjustable sights. I ave an M95 carbine of both variations like you displayed @ 21:40. I was beating my head in trying to figure out the appropriate designation for the differences. Your explanation helped immensely. There are tons of these rifles out there, and many seemed to be listed with the wrong name by vendors.
Today's musical accompaniment: Josef Wagner's "Unter dem Doppeladler" ("Under the Double Eagle"), popular Austro-Hungarian march and, for those of us who first heard it on _Monty Python's Flying Circus_, the music to "Conrad Poohs and his Dancing Teeth".
Extraordinary Mannlicher trilogy! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great, now I have to go buy an M95!
I say the same thing after almost every video. Othias and Mae are making me go broke!!! :)
-Jen
I was already obsessed before Othias and Mae. I bought my 95/30 at Big Five for $79.99 along with a couple of Mosin Nagants. It was one of the guns that sent me on the road to collecting Milsurps. Or was that the road to perdition?
oooh, I was looking forward for this whole damn day. Thank you
But it might be shit?
But it was not. It never is.
+C&Rsenal you guys make great episodes, so no need to say that. keep up the great work!
Yay, a new episode!
Time to play the "Counting How Many Times Mae Says 'in my opinion' While Giving Her Opinion" game!
:)
Austrio-Hungaria, did simple things complicated.
well they are germanic
It's just like the country itself - a relatively straightforward idea of a central European superpower complicated by the multitude of nations it ruled over.
Another great video! There's a couple of m95/30s in a local shop that I've been eyeing. I'm also looking forward to an eventual episode on the Mannlicher-Schoenauer.
it's in the works.
Off topic but I was pleasantly surprised yesterday when I opened my front door to a tube sitting on my porch. Wasn't expecting the rifles poster for another two weeks or so and it looks great! Worth every penny.
nice!
First I want to thank you for all the research you do so you can present it to us. You mentioned looking over notes in other languages and checking them on Google translate at 2 am and that must be very hard to do but it is very much appreciated. I love that kind of information but lack the resources to discover much myself so thanks for your hard work.
You also mentioned hand picking your carbine for its smooth action. I was just curious where you find these rifles. I always hear of people getting great deals on them but I can never find them.
Lastly, I think these last 3 episodes have made me appreciate Mannlicher much more than I ever did before. I love how you include information about the inventors too because I am training to be a gunsmith and its interesting to see just how smart these men where and how they came up with ideas and developed them. Keep up the good work guys! I'm glad your doing so well with the Patreon and the posters. Glad I am getting a poster before you run out!
Honestly I spend 20 hours a week dedicated to finding the future guns. So it's a plug at every possible resource.
Sorry, wrong comment. I was responding to Buzz Bomb Gaming's question about K11s.
Very informative video!
Excellent video series, Othias and Mae. I like this format, please do this again when you tackle another one of these histories that's not exactly simple.
The staggered approach?
The multi-video series. Because some of these have a lot of history behind them.
Just got a Budapest 1917 production M 95 Stutzen. Love it.
I've got an original non-conversion short rifle. It's great! Super reliable and smooth. I love it.
Thank you for this great series about Mannlicher rifles. Please make video about the Mannlicher-Schönauer too! Cheers from Hungary!
We have several variants collecting now.
Best RUclips content ever. Proud sponsor!
Thanks man
After coming back from university and boredom reaching unknown levels. This is exactly what I needed.
Good to hear
It always brings a smile to my face to see Mae shoot. Girls who shoot are AWESOME.
woo
*brushes shoulder off*
Great episode, y'all
Thanks
there should be a clue or hint like country and type of weapon (pistol, rifle etc) as to what the next episode will be, the suspense kills me lol. Love the series
Like a "Who's that Pokemon" silhouette kind of hint?
You guys are costing me a lot og money... And a lot of space in my safe!
Othais, I have one of these Buda, 1918 proofed Stutzens with a venthole on the bolt. The bolt head is numbered, however, which I thought was a hallmark of a Bulgarian contract rifle bolt. Sadly, the bolt head number doesn't match the rest of the rifle. Side sling swivels only...
I want to share this. I have an original m95/30 long rifle with a 1917 manufacturing date and it has the bulgarian lion over stamped on the original austrian one
Phew! I thought I wasn't going to see my favourite (yes favOURite) pair of Americans this week. Keep up the great work looking forward to those posters when they get here.
We posted at like noon....
Pousters*
Thanks Othias and Mae, both of you sold me to this shorty Mannlicher!
Now I have to get ready to move to the US :D
The Korean History/Gun Nut, Jack.
Do it! Horde guns.
C&Rsenal Well maybe in a couple years time. I am thinking about serving in the Navy as an NCO.
I have an M95 in 8mm by 56mm Hungarian. It was made by Steyer. I shoot lead bullet hand loads in it and recoil is very light.
Another great episode guys, Cant wait for the next one! You guys gunna do a multi-parter for the Lee-Metfords/Lee-Enfields?
yep
That pig was adorable
what are the chances of "war were declared" t shirts being made?
Yes I would buy one!
I dont get a lot of novelty Ts and that would be one I would snap up.
As long as it's a screencap of a tactical toboggan, or the upended skier behind the text.
+Nick Wilson I *love* how they use that joke, but ultimately it's a quote they're ripping straight from Futurama, which is why Othais started referencing it in the first place. So there might be legal complications with profiting directly from it.
Pretty good.
Great series ,,,anything on the 1886 kopatschek 8x56r. Or 8x60r in the future ? Thanks for such a great job 😎
Calling this 3 episode arc ambitious. I've seen the future, I've seen the martini episodes.
On the note of remarked rear sights, theres actually one I have my eyes on at the moment that appears to have been an original carbine and the rear sights were never changed after the S-conversion
Othais was definitely channeling a little bit of Mike Wazowski there in regards to Mae's favorite rifle. lol
I have the 1890 carbine, side sling version. Love it, but I do download it a bit, as it's getting old. I find the bigger sight works better with my astigmatism vision problem. Mine's still in 8x50r
Those carbines are so beautiful.
I agree.
the old schritt measurement on the rearsight is 1 schritt are 75.8c6m, or 0.7586 meters
That is one cute pig.
Don't let that nose fool you, he's a troublemaker.
Mae Guns lol
Othais, your comments on language and history are the part that makes me laugh, and in this time of Covid, your a bright spot. Plus I admire your research abilities since I'm sure its not on Google!!!
Oh, Mae is like my grand daughter that's in the Air Force, she groups them tight too! I do not start arguments with her!! LoL
I loved the lead up to WAR WERE DECLARED.
Mannlicher may not be known around the world, and even in Austria these days, but almost everybody older than 30 here in Austria links the name Mannlicher with a Rifle. Because most of Rifles around beiing it Hunting Rifles or the ones our Military used (uses) were/are from Steyr. And Most people called them "Steyr-Mannlicher" even if the company name and the rifle name had changed.
And if someone had a "Steyr Mannlicher" hunting rifle it was always considered of high quality. (Most of the time only outclassed by the handfitted, handmade Rifles of Ferlach)
nirfz here in the states when someone says mannlicher I immediately think of a stock that encloses the whole length of the barrel. I think that might be because ruger marketed a European stock 1022 as a mannlicher styled stock.
@@shilelea Stutzen.
I just walked out of the gun show with one of these beautiful Stutzen M95s. This show is the only reason I even knew what it was but she's a thing of beauty. Haven't shot her yet but the bolt is relatively slick for one that was rechambered for 8x56r.
nice
So glad I finally have one. Now I need the long rifle.
Keep it up
Can't wait for an episode on Schmidt-Rubin rifles, I'm sure Mae would be more than happy to review the K11.
Also... DAMMIT WINCHESTER YOU'RE SO CUTE!
Not until after WWI
Winchester making a guest appearance, boy did he get big quick. Great video to finish out the Mannlichers, this was a big gap in my what I thought I knew about WW1 armaments, keep up the good work. When Mae was firing the '90 carbine and it has extraction binding on the second round, is that a common trouble with all straight pulls if you don't get a solid starting jerk on the action or was it specific to that rifle?
I'm convinced that's why the 95 has a stronger "hump" in the pull, to force a snappy pull.
That's a nice poster behind your head, now that the 3 part series is finish, could you guys make a video on that gun?
nah
Love the videos and info...! But always causes questions.... I have an unconverted carbine that now has ONLY side slings(the upper one is a bar) and the rear barrel band is 5” from the front band that has the bayonet stud, but there is an Arsenal plug where the rear under sling would be. No dates on the receiver - only what looks like a capital E in a circle/oval off to the right side. There is a “15” in 2 places under the receiver and on barrel that can only be seen with the stock removed. Would they have converted a 1915 stutzen to a cavalry carbine ? I see no references with a mention of an “E”. The gun has the short sight and a serial number of only 4 numerals- NO LETTER SUFFIX. Any thoughts what this is?
Great video as always - looking forward to my poster! I have an M90 carbine that's missing the front band, do you happen to have any suggestions on where a guy could find one?
Not a clue sadly. Probably best to find someone who can manufacture a repro.. Which of course is harder than finding another gun.
would there be any reason for a m95 carbine to have black painted on the first half hanguard.
Othais and Mae, another great historical piece. You get to study and shoot some of the coolest and arguably most beautiful guns ever made (also some real dogs, too. Eye of the beholder, right?). I have to ask, are all of those guns behind you your own collection? From one history nut too another, keep the great stuff coming.
Best job ever. Some are ours, but most are pieces on loan from other collectors.
Can we just pretend that switzerland took part in WW1? Just to get the Schmidt-Rubins in?
no
C&Rsenal
Come on, switzerland was at least looking what was going on. I know that they managed to keep themselves out of any war since 1815, but... they've got cool rifles.
@@FantadiRienzo it's the future calling, you got your Schmidt-Rubin C&Rsenal 3 bolt T-shirt?
I do.You only gotta wait 89 more episodes!
Does anyone know with the s marked 95s if there is a way to date it? I have one with 40 mark an the chamber and barrel and a k on the but plate and on the stock is I believe 1430x and 4035 on opposite side...thanks just subscribed and really like your content very helpful and full of great information!! Thank you
I found one of these Mannlicher carbines at one of my local gun shops. I don't recall what model it is but I only paid a cool $125 for it. I personally thought it was a steal and bought it on sight after a small inspection. i'm going to shoot it once then make it a wall hanger for my man cave.
nice
hey guys, do you ever plan on making an episode on mannlicher 1903? MY FAVORITE!
It's on the wall..
Dam guess, I really lucked out on my carbine still being in 8x50r.
Go look into austrian stuben musik...how hunting (poaching, of course) the chamois in Austria with the "stutzerl" was just so popular or at least admired of sorts. As the song is telling you could easily hide that stutzerl in the vinegar barrel when the gendarmerie was searching your house and they wouldn't find it. Thats where SM sold a bunch of those rifles. "Das Gamserl schwarz und braun" go look for that song
Othais needs to stop picking on Mae. When he said he'd sell it and she said no, it was so sad it pulled my heartstrings.
how much would a Karabiner mit Stutzenring cost if its still chambered for 8x50
My late grandfather was in the Austrian-Hungarian mounted cavalry in WWI. I found this video fascinating (when I first watched it a few years ago). I have been unable to find a Karabiner from that era. Am I likely to ever see a legit one come up for sale, and if so, where should I be looking?
haha your such a mischievous sprite mae!!!! nice trek reference (it was a trek reference, right?)!
yes
I can appreciate Mae.
EXCELLANT EPISODE !!!! Looks like my rifle is a 95/30 cutdown. I haven't been able to figure out what cartridge it is yet ,Barrel isn't S stamped. and front sight isn't pressed on. I'd send you some pics, but tube doesn't allow it. Overall excellent series . You and May ROCK IT !!!
Probably not a 30 then, ask a smith to cast the chamber if you're really not sure but likely 8x50
Yep, also where the had made the cut on the stock the glue didn't hold well co I have to redo that part, because it's loose and slips up and down. There are some holes where dole rods were maybe used in the glueing process.
Are you sure the 8x56R bullet diameter isn't .329? I seem to remember this reloading for this cartridge because they are a bit hard to come by. Apologies if somebody else already mentioned in the comments.
Funny you mention m1 carbines and garands, but Mannlicher had a patent for there gas lock design!
I'd love to see the video of the barrel heading downrange.
The comments must have been hilarious.
I had one rebarreled to a 308 win, and the very shot froze the bolt and when we tried to hammer it open the bolt handle broke. now it is a permanent wall hanger..
Earl Grey tea is nasty!!! The carbines are cool.
I plan on getting a M95 soon, but I have to ask since I'm curious and I've heard a lot about the stiffness of the 8x56mmR conversions. Is there anything that can be done about it? I keep hearing how it was caused by the poor quality of the hand-fitting during the conversions and I was wondering if there were ways to alleviate the issues.
Careful hand fitting I'm afraid. So you'd need an experienced gunsmith with a lot of time on that particular gun.
Do y’all have a link to what ever book y’all use for the information on differences or do y’all put out a book?
Mae’s input was great this vid’ (not that is isn’t always, but it was particularly Great this vid). It’s really nice getting a more masculine shooting perspective (from a very feminine persona) in these videos. Tom KC3QAC
its just crazy to think how much money was spent during this time for dozens of different small arms variations. I mean every country had at least 30-40 different rifle versions between 1880 and 1918
Insane
Guys, what basic info and origin can you share about the rifle over May's shoulder, the lowest horizontal one? I have two of those and we've never been able to track down anything solid. Ive never even seen a photograph of another one actually with the same exact details (bolt shape, size, mag, sights) so I only assume it's the same chamber. Any info would be very well appreciated. Total mystery in the family for 50 years or more. Good work btw.
Looking forward to episodes on Russia and the Mosin-Nagant!
Me too
For some reason this episode just flew by.
oh no
I usually rewatch them anyway. You guys are the best! I learn a lot I absolutely love the presentation style. Can't wait for Russian firearms.
It’s got quite a snap to it, hasn’t it? 😲
I have the Austrian and Hungarian? M95's. They are so light and short, to me they seem a little short in the butt stock for me. They shoot great bud the recoil is fairly severe. All in all a great rifle. To carry it is a breeze. A great hunting rifle.
nice
I love that little dino in the background during the update at the end of the video, we need to see more of him! XD
It's a piggy bank
As a matter of fact, several years ago when they were brought out for US sale, I paid a whopping $79 bucks a piece. Now they go for around $250.
Just paid 445 for a carbine with a bubbed handguard
Hi Othais, if i can ask, i have an M95/34 with the exact same ejection symptoms. What did you do to fix it?
Had to replace the ejector, someone had deformed it
9:43 They sure do like meters!!
I call shenanigans on the mannlicher being the "smoothest" of the straight pulls, I'm sorry, but the Ross mkII is by far smoother, plus no clip or charger required! (Shenanigans in ASL is very fun and useful thing to learn btw)
American Sign Language? Or Advanced Squad Leader? You be the judge.
The M4 carbine of it’s day.
According to an old text I have, Von Mannlicher wasn't as well financially backed by his government as other firearms makers such as Mauser. This could be another reason his work is left in the dark corners of history.