History of WWI Primer 043: U.S. Colt New Army Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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A Study of Colt's New Army and Navy Pattern Double Action Revolvers 1889 to 1908
Robert Best
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What kind of an American are You?
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My great grandfather was in the Spanish American war. My grandma had his service revolver mounted in a frame hanging in her mobile home. It may have been this model. I wish I knew where it was now.
Ask around the family?
That's awesome Jeff, hopefully one day it will turn up so you can put it on your wall, then your kids wall, and many more centuries later.
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A mobile home isn't a very safe place to keep something with that kind of sentimental value.
"We won't talk about modern Colt".
Already worth sharing.
But they have a new revolver at SHOT 2017, no doubt with their trademark backwards cylinder release. I kid. I don't much care either. I'm just waiting for the FN Python.
I'm waiting for one that doesn't cost the blood out your veins because they just have to keep sucking government ass and trying to sink the 2a with safe guns
@@GunFunZS And then Colt releases the new Python...
Hahahahahahahaha
What always gets me is how Colt managed to survive through so much mismanagement and bankruptcies.
scrooglemcdoogle Not too difficult when the government keeps propping up the company and effectively rewarding such poor behavior.
same for Remington...to a point
A name is a valuable thing. It doesn't matter how much they fuck up, their brand is worth enough that investors will always be there.
Remington might go Darwin's way sooner or later seeing how they have been doing lately....
Also despite numerous failures, Colt's successes such as the Paterson, 1851 Navy, and SAA are HUGE successes. Able to keep the company afloat for long periods of time.
I recently inherited my Great-Grandfather's WWI M-1917 Colt .45. It's a sweet shooter with .45 LC and I've ordered half-moon clips to shoot 45ACP.
In the end, I couldn't care less how good a firearm it was. This revolver was carried by my Great-Grandpa in the Great War. I handle it and remember sitting on his foot as he rocked back and forth in his favorite chair.
Rest easy, Trooper.......................................
Jeri Ryan is absolutely the best borg character. I love the episode where she develops multiple personalities, and snaps between them expertly. She’s a very good actress.
She made the latter parts of Voyager watchable
@@233kosta I enjoyed all of VOY lol
@@FearlessLeader2001 Maybe I should have watched it before DS9, kind of got spoilt by Rick Berman's lack of input on that one
@@233kosta I watched DS9 beforehand as well, which is probably my 2nd favorite Star Trek, behind TNG
Oh God I can't wait for the Chamelot-Delvigne M1873 episode! I've loved that gun dearly ever since I first saw it in The Mummy in 1999...
was that 99?
Yep, 1999...almost 18 years ago. Hasn't aged badly though, still one of my favourite adventure movies! It's got other great firearms, like the Webley, Lewis, Lebel, Winchester 1897...now that I think about it, it may be that movie that sparked my passion for old guns
I've always wanted to move to the United States, but just learning about Samuel Colt makes me feel more American than ever.
If you move to America during the upcoming during the Trump presidency Donald will give you your very own Bald Eagle, because nothing says "MURICA!!! quite like a large predatory bird.
Everyone with a reckless love for semi controlled explosions is welcome
Thanks! It's nice to hear nice comments like that instead of the typical American bashing and strict criticism that has become a modern trend today. Welcome here anytime! Have a nice day.
If your into guns and freedom. Look into IDAHO. Texas is preety. Good too, but less national forest land. Alaska has guns and freedom too, but COLD....
Idaho seams to be the best of whats left.
@@sharkfinbite It's been a modern trend for some damn-good reasons. We can revel in the small bits of respite we can get from people not bashing the country, but let's not stick our heads in the sand. Democracy dies when we all stick our heads in the sand. This is a project that we all have to work on. We can't just check out and pretend things are fine.
Baron Von Oppen.
And his nemesis. Count von Close.
Once you get through the Great War, I'd love to see an episode where you give your personal favorite guns of the war. A sort of ideal loadout video with all of your setups.
May your wish be granted by the future…
From what I've been able to find Othais, Most Krags were kept Stateside for use in training but about 2,000 Model 1898 Krag rifles were taken to France during the war by the 10th-19th Engineers (Railway). So a small sliver managed to make it to France for use as rear echelon rifles.
Another extraordinary video by Othais and Mae. Very informative and enjoyable end to end. The presentation and level of detail is just as good as it gets. They should have their own cable TV show! Thank you for all your efforts. I never get tired of watching your work.
i love it when you say war were declared don't ever change
ditch the schtick, got it.
seriously though please don't it makes me laugh and that's a good thing!
RIP “war were declared”
I miss it :(
This episode was great, but I seriously am anticipating your 1911 video.
TheGoldenCaulk Still waiting lol
The M1911 episode is going to be either a massive beast or a multi-parter.
...13 months and counting...
@@Reepicheep-1 Are you still counting?, cuz it isn't here yet.
@@arya31ful Yep. At this rate, I'm thinking it will be the bridge episode from WW1 - WW2.
"...and that's how it was used up until the armistice. Join us for part 2, of maybe 4 or 5? when we discuss what the US did with our belt-mounted danger bean dispenser from 1918 to 1941."
39:50 It Exists! It Exists! It Exists!
Man, you really know your stuff. I'm impressed as hell by your granular knowledge about not only the mechanisms, but the design process and the bureaucratic infighting behind adoption of the guns. Keep up the good work.
28:00 Oh my god, Ian is a vampire.
A vampire that’s resists sunlight at that.
Very useful video! I just picked one up along with some locally bought .38 Long Colt
Good job guys, love hearing about these guns that are a bit unknown on the other side of the pond.
Glad to hear!
C&Rsenal thanks for not dry firing that exposed firing pin it really pushes well pulls my cylinder release
Just picked up a nice Colt 1901. Missing a few internal parts. Tough to read Numrichs schematics, but this video was perfect! :)
I absolutely love this channel and its content!
Thanks!
Just blundered across this channel.
This video is great - it has everything I like...well researched detailed history, geeking out on the technical workings, and pretty good production; the animation and little touches like the photos are a big deal.
Keep making these - this is the gun geek video I've been looking for.
Great work peoples...really engaging quality stuff. Keep it up!
Glad to have you!
Nice episode. Thank you Mae and Othais.
Neptune Bluez No problem!
Mae Guns
By the way, the WW1 poster is awesome. Thanks!
Neptune Bluez Glad you're enjoying it! Happy Chrimmas!
Back when I was on the police force, I got an FFL so I could order guns in for my buddies on the PD and any other law enforcement officer who I worked with. One of them was a State Trooper who was on the State Pistol Team. He needed a good firearm for the belly gun competition but wanted something better then the standard Chef's Special or Detective Special that were the most common guns in that forum. He loved big bore, he, of course carried the Smith Model 27 as was issued by the Department on duty, however had a 25-5 for his target gun. So we looked high and low for something we could get that met the maximum requirements, 3 inch barrel or shorter was the main requirement, which left out the really fine firearms available back then, and this was before they allowed semi-auto's on the course, had to be a revolver. So after a month or so of searching police catalogs, and, of course Shotgun News (this was 1977 after all) he finally came up with a Colt New Service in .45 Long Colt. We ordered it in for him and he got very lucky, the gun looked and spec'ed out to be like new condition. We sent it off to a good pistol smith and had the barrel shortened to 2.9 inches and when she came back she looked cute to say the least. Then we sent to another shop to have Smith adjustable sights in stalled, again the gun looked ever nicer. Next with all the handling and work, the bluing had suffered a bit, so we sent it off to Armaloy to have a satin nickle finish applied we fitted some Pacmayer rubber grips, and we ended up with the sweetest little belly gun you ever saw, the big bore allowed for bigger holes in the target, the power was uncontestably greater then even the +p ammo that many fed their little short barreled .38's. It was a winner, and he with the gun added to the history of the shooting matches for the State Troopers overall scores for combat matches nation wide. Sure now days folks would scream at us for cutting up a piece of history but back then you could get one of those revolvers off Shotgun News for under 200 bucks, I think we paid under a hundred if my memory is clear, but of course we were paid like 550 a month so it was a bit of change back then.
Thank you so much for explaining, in simple terms, the changes made in the Government-issue Colt DA six-guns. Also a big thanks for helping me understand the bantering that went back and forth between Colt, the Army, and Springfield over the changes and price for the enhancements made to the Government DA .38 Models. A great historical background for the Colt D.A. ,38 Long Colt used by our Military Forces in the late 1890's and early 1900's. Thanks again for making a complex issue simple!
I love that song! This series has the greatest sound track.
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More of a autoloader kind of guy personally, but non the less I can't help but have a soft spot for these old six shooters.
Very nice work guys. :D
Thanks
Holy cow! Two consecutive Tuesday's of releases!
wat
Almost like we have a schedule or something... :P
I have one of these that used to belong to my grandad. Thanks to this video, I now know that it is between an 1895 and 1901 build, but I would love to know more about it if possible. Unfortunately, my grandad passed in 1996 and I do not know how or where he got it. He used to sleep with it under his pillow every night, and that's about all I know. When I got it shortly after his passing, it had a broken spring, but I had a smith make a custom spring to make it functional, and it still functions to this day. Interestingly, this one has what seems to be a rare black bakelite grip with a colt on it rather than the lettering. I would love to share more details with you if you are interested. Thanks! Chris
good program, I have my grandfathers Colt, he used it while was in law enforcement until he retired in 66. It is still in good condition, made in 07 by serial numbers.
12:15 "Following the Second American Revolution." LOL what other amusing alternative names for the American Civil War do you have to use?
I figure he has to run out of original ideas for this at some point here.
He also called it the War for Southern Independence in this episode (and the War of Northern Aggression in a different one). If I'm not mistaken, he tries to use a different name every time he mentions it. :P
Bregil he does. That is why I say that he has to run out of ideas at some point?
Perhaps, or he might just make up some entirely new ones. This is Othais, after all. lol
Bregil but those *are* names in documents to call the war
speaking of non issued side arms my great grandfather carried a .38 Iver Jonson "Safety Automatic" 5 shot revolver for WW1
neat
28:58. Photo centre, seated row.
Either Ian (aka gunjesus) From forgotten weapons is a time travellor or thats his great great granpappy.
ive owned a few of these and sadly the early ones end up having issues mainly because things wear out and the hand was originally on the opposite side pushing the cyclinder outwards instead of inwards towards the frame ( counter clockwise instead of clockwise) this really wore out the guns ALOT and ive handled 10 and have yet to find a tight one yet
One point of contention regarding nomenclature at about the nine minute mark. The Colt "Thunderer" is a .41 caliber version of the "Lightning", they were made on the same frame. The larger frame 1878 is typically referred to as the "Frontier Double Action."
Yeah, caught it too late. We'll clear things up when it is the focus.
I am ecstatic over the reference to the S&W M1917. I've been waiting for that episode since I first discovered this channel early last year, and I hope dearly to see it in the near-ish future! Thanks for all the hard work you guys put into this, especially this last episode with its myriad complications.
define near
Weird part, is the new army colt in the 38 long, sees service until 1926. As secondary firearm, on gunboats, reserve units, bank guards, and US Post office.
Run them until they crumble.
This video should be placed in the us ww1 primer playlist : )
Thanks for the great content
I like the level of detail y'all go into when describing the action/function of the gun. Very Cool!
Oh noice I didn't know you guys had your own series like this. Solid hustle.
I just wanna say how much I appreciate the effort you guys put into these. Everything you've gotten to make all the more obscure arms so interesting has me salivating for what you guys can put-out for more recognizable ones like the 1911 and the Webley... and.. 53:48 *SQUEEEEE*
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it!
From 1909-19010. Wait what?
Love your humor othais
Great video. Excellent weapon control, Mae. Where do I sign my kids up for summer camp?
"we hold you in our hearts"
Oooh, I've been looking forward to you doing something on this one. Stellar stuff as per usual. Thanks.
Gin Soaked Boy We try.
Yeah, I had to check my sound to make sure it was definitely on. It felt a bit strange without Mae's commentary!
Heh, not by design, no.
Would be cool to see you go back in time before WW1, rather than cover WW2, which everyone else has already done. Interbellum (between-world wars) might be sorta fresh though.
Idk if you still use this account but dude look at what you predicted four years ago
Nostradamus over hear.
The big change for the M-1896 was a feature that kept the hammer from being cocked when the cylinder was open. Also, the Navy and Marine Corp used these into the early 1920's in China, along with Krag rifles. Finally, you can slacken the hammer spring tension screw to the point where the action weight is equivalent to later Colt E/I frame revolvers while still getting ignition with modern primers.
Another great vid, keep em coming!
ok
the DA function in colts in always pretty good . that's why i bought my wife a Colt Detective Special
What an awesome video! The amount of research you do and the fact that you manage to script it down and tell it in such a good way amazes me. Keep it up! :D
Thank you!
0:07 Those hats are a riot! And there's always that one guy with the front straight up....
yes!! I'm very happy about this video! I use your videos when I go out to gun shows. Now I'm waiting on the colt/smith and wesson 1917
Nice
Well done history of Colt models leading up to WWI
thank
Another classic. You guys are both in plaid! Terrific.
Thanks
Thanks guys. A terrific episode.
I have a Colt New Army DA .38 with " Connecticut National Guard " engraved on the Back Strap. It's a nice shooter
I was waiting for you to mention the M1909. The New Service in 45 Long Colt.
I heard you were eventually going to work with the developers of Verdun on a sound update. Is this true? And if so, any news on it?
Anyways, great video.
We're gathering sounds but I think they have other things going on.
I recently acquired a civilian version of the New Army (1901) that my great-grandpa supposedly found in a jail in Eldorado,IL. I took it apart and cleaned it up, but the cylinder latch spring was broken in two so I'm currently having it repaired along with the cylinder having some wobble to it. My great grandpa was an artillery man in WW1 so I would like to believe he carried it, but probably didn't due to the fact it is a civilian not military model. The bluing is almost completely gone but it does have some very nice original ivory grips.
Dang, sounds like some work ahead.
Great work! Can't wait to see the 1911 and the 1917 revolvers. You guys take all the time you need making those to make the episodes 100% awesome. Just no bad-mouthing the 1911, okay? ;-)
fhsreelfilms the more you ask the longer it will take to come out.
What’s the 1911?
Kind of heartbreaking to be going through this playlist 6 years later. So much excitement for growth, only to hear in the most recent Q&A about being marked for stagnation by the almighty algorithm of a company continuing to gut its best creators.
Google is a terrible company. The only reasons RUclips hasn't completely failed yet is that it hasn't always been run the way it is, and all of the content creators that use and have used it.
lanyard ring for butterfingers. couldn't stop laughing
I had some negative experience with one of those New Service revolvers. Now it was not my pistol, but belonged to the police officer who was trying to qualify in the next lane on a large police range. As he fired, the gun pealed lead and it shot out the side of the revolver. My face seemed to be the best target for the spreading lead, I received a rather large piece of lead on one eyelid, thank God my eye was in blink mode when it hit, as well as a large piece on the side of my nose where the nose meets the face. A range official saw what was happening and stopped the shoot while an EMT removed the lead from my face, put some disinfectant on it and a band aid or two and we were back to the shoot, however the fellow with the spitting pistol was no longer allowed to bring it on range. It was the only time I ever failed qualification, I was usually number 1 or 2 on the shooters list, however I developed a hell of a flinch when guns went off around me. I qualified the next month after a bit of practice, I was a reloader at the time an usually fired around 200 rounds per month because I loved shooting. The fellow with the New Service returned the pistol to the small town where he worked and the City bought him a new Smith Model 66 which was the top model at that time (1979)
"hey the Navy likes our pistol! Can we go ahead with a contract?" Captain Sicard: "Make it so".
This is a great informational video looking forward to more and the one on the Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873
Thanks!
This is the best patent law channel on RUclips. Maybe you can expand out into mousetraps or something?
There's a rich vein of weirdness to be mined in all the other mousetrap companies' efforts to get around Rollin White's patent on little rectangular pieces of wood.
Mae's hairstyle is adorable in this episode.
9:15 Incidentally Canada actually adopted the 1878 in 1885 for the Red River Rebellion. 1001 purchased from Hartley & Graham in New York in .45 Colt with 7 1/2" barrels and nickel finish. Also went over with our first contingent to the Boer War, and I swear I once saw a picture of a soldier in a 1902 pattern CEF uniform with one in an open-top crossdraw holster but I can't find it again.
That would be neat to see
Tracked it down! s73.photobucket.com/user/GrantRCanada/media/Colts/wilkerson07.jpg.html
Unfortunately I didn't remember it as well as I'd thought, that's a 1902 pattern uniform but there's no insignia to tie it specifically to the CEF and the Halifax Rifles didn't specifically send a battalion for overseas service so it's more likely prewar militia service.
From what I've read the 1902 was never actually issued to US troops but was purchased for the Philippine Constabulary - the extra long trigger being intended for smaller-statured Philippinos to pull the trigger with two fingers. That said I'm not a specialist US collector so I wouldn't object to being proven wrong!
Hey Othias and crew. First of all good job on the show. I am really enjoying the in depth historical details of all the guns you are presenting. Could you maybe do one day a quick Ammunition 101 of the WW1 time period?
Greets from Germany and keep up the good work.
We're looking at some basics ideas but time is always an issue.
Obviously it is, especially for a project as ambitioned as yours. Just take your time, you guys are doing great as it is. Much respect.
Great show. Hope you guys eventually get to rifles of the U.S. Civil War and maybe WW2 era.
one day
Wow I wasn't expecting an episode so soon. Two Tuesday's in a row! I'm finally a Patron now so now I don't feel so guilty enjoying these episodes and not contributing. Keep up the good work!
TwentythreePER Thanks for the support!!
Mae Guns It's my pleasure. I'm happy to be a part of this effort. Just wish I could do more.
why does everyone keep saying that, it's freaking me out. We released the 3rd and the 17th...
Maybe the week in between just flew by quick. I'm bad at time management.
Lol also there was a release (not an episode) from us last week. I figured that was throwing everyone off.
So the players in 1890, Capt. Sicard, Mr Ehbets, and Mason, would surely recognize and approve of the Colt Cobra at the 2017 Shot Show. Great resilance. BTW, several years ago one of President Roosevelt's Colt D/A s was stolen from the museum in Long Island NY but happily was recovered and returned several years later. Have also noticed that Colts tend to shoot high left.
Yeah, that is a whole other story for sure!
Yay Argentina. Greetings from Buenos Aires!
Our animator gre up in Argentina
Othanial poses the question of whether the US Krag was used in WW 1. I have seen pictures of US National Guard troops carrying Krag's in France. I believe they were only used for training, not combat. I also have a bandoleer of 30/40 Krag ammo dated 1918. It is a standard US WW 1 cloth bandoleer. The difference is that instead of a cardboard sleeve for 2 5 round clips it has a cardboard divider for 10 individual 30/40 rounds.
Ethan Perks he better make a video with the Krag
These old classic pistols have nobility, I wouldn't change for new ones
May was saying the sights were some of the smallest she had use to date. I believe that the Colt 1909 is the weapon that then 2nd Lt. George S. Patton used in Stockholm, Sweden in the Pentahlon at the 1912 Olympics where he finished 5 over all. Had he used a .22 cal pistol like most of the other competitors did he most likely would have medaled in the pentathlon.
The 45 Long Colt 1909?
C&Rsenal I believe that is the weapon. It could have been the .38.
I have what I belive is a civilian version of this revolver. So far this video has been the only source of information I have found on it. Thank you so much for doing this episode I found it extremely informative. What are good sources of info I can get ahold of to try and find out more about mine.
The model 1878 was not the thunderer, it was known as the omnipotent. The thunderer was the model 1877 chambered in the .41 colt cartridge rather than the .38 colt which as stated was known as the lightning.
yeah, a slip in recording that made it to editing. We will get a fly over note set up
The tables are all right. The episode is already in the playlist. I guess I have nothing to complain about this time. :-/
BTW, great episode.
sorry
Mae's hairs look extry adorable in this one. Good show lass! Compliments to your hairs-dresser person.
Woohoo July 19th baby here! I finally found a cool birthday sharer!
Great video as always!
thanks!
Are you guys going to do an episode on the Colt M1911 and contract manufacturers of WWI & WWII with the M1911A1, with cross comparisons of the differences between the two?????
"When we said it's on, it's on... we been at war for 4 days.... you don't know." Taken from actual correspondence.
18:00 Absolute Chad .God bless him and his Big Iron .
Mein Gott! 40 minutes until “War were declared”! So thorough, and yet no mention of my original Officers Model First Issue which was reportedly capable of firing .38Spl….. 😅 Seriously, great job marshaling so many variations.
Very good and in depth. I'd like to see something on the Colt Model of 1878, I came close to buying one recently.
Thanks
Very informative and enjoyable. I have a Army colt special chambered in .38 long. Serial number says it was manufactured in 1915. It has a hard rubber grip. Was trying to see in your vid, where it fit in your colt history. No lanyard ring.
Awesome again!!!!!
You should do histories of the companies that had their weapons used in the Great War
Thanks for another great video! I'm sure the "can you review X firearm" spiel gets old, but I love learning about all the more obscure ones! Also please wear the red cap at least one more time... preferably in a video about something British.
Everyone got mad.
C&Rsenal It's my one wish!! It doesn't even have to be for a full video. You could somehow incorporate it in or place it in the background for a moment. I beg of you!!!!
I have got 1896 navy model...very nice gun.
I told my sister your star trek joke. She was on her knees laughing so it was a good one
Your poor sister!
Mae would have better accuracy if she centered the trigger in the middle of the first segment of her index finger, something she would have learned if she had ever been in the Army and trained to shoot the Model 1911 45ACP. Her placement of the trigger to the right of center actually pushes the shot to the left as it shows up on the target. I think she should also lock her wrist and elbow for more stability. I can't tell if she has her shoulder cocked too far to the rear. She should stop when she starts to feel tension in the muscles of the joint. The shoulder should be relaxed. Her arm should be slightly forward of a line thru both shoulders. The gun should be allowed to recoil upwards. That is the Army's method of shooting. I think they taught us to keep both eyes open also. For best accuracy, the right hand should form a "Y" with fingers and thumb and the butt of the revolver placed in the "Y" and the index finger should be curled and not be along and in contact with the frame. Small hands may make some of this difficult. The Army taught me to shoot "Expert" so I trust their instruction.
My Model 1909 has a 13# DA trigger pull and a 6# SA pull. Crisp but stiff!
I had one it had no lanyard ring
It would fire 38 special it was accurate it came with old black colt grips
" . . .the model 1896 Butterfinger . . ."
delicious but it gets all up in your teeth
I can't find the book link you said you would put in the description. I'm interested in reading about this pistol.
Make a Colt Supplemental video....i think you would make an video on the man
Great episode! You guys planing on doing an episode on the Peacemaker at some point?
That's a good idea. An episode on the SAA would be great.
not for WWI
Did you just drop a hint at a Small Arms of WWII series? :D Edit: SInce this is the internet I should point out that was a joke. But seriously. Do it.
Very charismatic and unusual man at the helm.... so just like C&Rsenal?
no I'm normal.
No one with a beard of that magnitude can be normal.
Tucks beard into shirt.
*LIES!!!*
17:58 The one was probably Revolver Ocelot.
Damn, Othias is hard to subtitle. You got an interesting cadence of speech, my friend.
Sorry?
awesome stuff