History Primer 067: Russian S&W No.3 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Here's a referenced Russian quote, I don't remember where I got it (it's some historical overview in Russian). It resonates very much with the doctrine of the famous Boris the Blade from the movie Snatch: «In Issue 32 of the Russian Invalid [meaning "veteran"] from 1892, mister Nadarev also comes to the following conclusion: "In summary, the current system of carrying a revolver in a belt holster should be left unchanged, the revolver lanyard phased out; Smith & Wesson revolvers are to be left in service, because, apart from excellent combat qualities as a firearm proper, this revolver in a close melee proves itself equally excellent as a melee weapon owing to its great mass and the destructiveness of blows inflicted by it".»
it's a philosophy that works.
Heavy is good heavy is reliable, then is his next breath he says if it doesn't work you can always hit them with it
That seems to be a running trend with Russian guns. Those early Mosin Nagants were long enough that they would use them as actual spears if I remember right. Not to mention they were in now way light-weight. Those rifles doubled as both spears and clubs.
@@KingusDingus
The cudgel-like shape of the M1891's stock also comes to mind...
In America you hit enemy with revolver's bullets. In Mother Russia, you hit enemy with revolver!...😁
I would probably take this gun instead of a Nagant to the frontline. What good is a double action trigger when you need a crowbar to fire it. Plus the S&W is quicker to load and fires a more potent cartridge, while only having one less round in the cylinder.
Axel as far as double action goes on my personal Nagant, its pretty heavy but doable, but my fingers are decently strong and I can see how others could have trouble, if I had to fight with it I'd save DA for close range emergencies. There's no argument from me about reloading, its tedious and slow although with practice you can speed it up, you're still going to be left in the dust by the Russian S&W though. 7.62 Nagant isn't a powerhouse , military ammo is near .38 special in performance, but it is low recoil and not super loud, which might be a small comfort in a enclosed space. There isn't an excuse for the Nagant's reload though, and I'm not sure why they designed it that way.
hammer manipulation is much easier than on this beast so even single action operation would be quicker. it beats the nagant by a thousand miles for reloading. one wonders why the russians didnt carry over that feature.
There's a good chance of that, although the Nagant is much smaller and it too has a knuckle for the webbing of your hand to push against, like it's predecessor. I think the Nagant's cylinder design is one of it's many cost saving measures
Da, it would be a good choice.
I’ll take this revolver of anything else at the time. It beats the Reichsrevolver by a mile.
The dedication to film this on New Year's Eve, and then presumably edit the next day to upload that night, is what sets you guys apart. I am constantly amazed by how hard you work to bring this incredible product to us consistently. I wish I could send you guys a couple extra weeks to take a vacation.
Yep that's commitment with a capital C , but then it is C&R , so not a surprise Really .
Funny part is....
I'm watching this on New Years Eve three years later....
I can confirm the awesomeness of the Uberti replica, go for it Mae! The cylinder removal is a bit of a hybrid between the Russian and new model.
One of the popular revolver in Wild West and Russian Empire. Also S&W No.3 is the one of the popular revolver made by Smith & Wesson company. It can reload very easily, combining strength and simplicity of action, readily taken apart and easily cleaned, having entire exchangeability of parts, with a high order of finish. Commended for durability and actual service than Colt Peacemaker.
You are correct - №3 saw use in Bulgaria at first as part ot the armament of the unit commanders of the bulgarian volontiers who fight along with the russian army in the war against the ottoman empire 1877-1878 (ofcourse they were supplied by the russian empire ). From veiggly memories I have seen these (in museum collections here in Bulgaria) as part of the weapons used in Bulgarian Serbian war of 1885 and at least the first Balkan war of 1912-13 and the Second Balkan War of 1913, so I presume that at least some of the revolvers use in the Russo-Ottoman war of 1877-1878 were gifted or sold to the newly formed Bulgarian army (after 1878) and is possible that some were purchased from Russia in the years after 1878 at least for use by the commanding officers and cavalry. They always have been described as S&W model №3 Russian.
Keep the good work thru the new year.
One thing that you did not discuss in this video was the Schofield model of the night of the model three Smith & Wesson this gun was adopted and then canceled due to its unique cartridge 45 Schofield versus 45 long colt 52:21
Once again, a complete story told sensibly without idle chatter. Well done you two!
On WWI vs WWII I say finish WWI before moving on. You guys are knee deep head down in it, finish it out. We'll wait.
I've loved every episode and looking forward to buying the book.
Happy New Year!
Real men shoot 308 interleaving both sounds quite good, a lot of small arms have histories that carry on past WWI, in some ways it's bit of an arbitrary cut off, so many episodes can cover both and be a bit longer. Then just intersperse that with WW1/2 specific episodes.
Maciej Pociecha that doesnt make sense to do now.
Alistair Shaw there's a massive WW2 project going on with Great War Forgotten Weapons C&Rsenal and a few others for the 80th Anniversary.
From what I've heard it sounds like an epic idea.
Dylan Asmus i know that. What i ment was the long ww1 and 2 episides just have them seperate
The first time, I saw one of these, I thought it was a Target Pistol. The Hook on the trigger guard and the hump on the backstrap reminded me of 18th Century Dueling Pistols.
Shatner commas!
I can't wait to go to sleep-
*C&Rsenal has uploaded a new video*
Well nevermind then.
Last time I was this early the FIRST battle of the Isonzo was still raging.
Cadorna needs Red Foreman from "That 70's Show" to put a foot up his ass! How many times do you have to fight on the same river and lose without changing your battle plan.
Last time I was this early the Tsar still had power...
The last time you were this early was 101 years ago? Because the last time I was in power was 101 years ago...
Shhhhh. Lenin might hear you.
Last time I was this early, the warp didn’t exist
TokyoExpress - He already killed me a century ago (it'll be 100 years on July 17th). What more could that embalmed commie do to me? He's just as dead as I am.
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The fact that Rollin White managed to wangle a hugely lucrative patent he never should have been granted (I mean, how can that idea _not_ fail the "cannot be obvious" test?), but simultaneously was the greatest rube the 19th century ever saw when negotiating his license of same to S&W, warms my heart every time I think about it. The ultimate patent troll of his era, hoist by his own petard.
This is the best military arms channel in the history of human existence. I'm really looking forward to the inter-war years episodes!
This hurts me because I know how good C&R is but I can't step away from Ian and Forgotten Weapons.
Leaving an end-of-year Thanks on one of my favourite C&Rsenal videos to say I appreciate all your content
All of the things that make the Russian nice to shoot are things that handicap thumbing the hammer. The hump on the back strap stabilizes the grip, but obstructs the thumb. The straight angle of the grip makes the gun point naturally, but lengthens the reach to the hammer. The weight and length of the gun aid in the gross function of pointing/aiming, but completely bungle the fine manipulations of cycling the action. The Model 3 was legendary as a target revolver, with no real equal for many years, but as a 20th Century sidearm, it’s just not viable. I guess 30 years of proud, trusted service in the Wild East will have to suffice. Great video, you guys are awesome!
S&W No.3 is the one of the popular revolver made by Smith & Wesson company. It can reload very easily, combining strength and simplicity of action, readily taken apart and easily cleaned, having entire exchangeability of parts, with a high order of finish. Commended for durability and actual service than Colt Peacemaker.
Thanks for giving firearms history a human face. I also like the string quartet as your opening.
I wish you had put out a call for .44 rimfire I have a huge supply of oddball and rare rounds I would have been willing to donate a few rounds to see the old gun shoot.
38:50 "like fighting a squirrel that doesn't want to cuddle" :D
15:10 I see Smith and Wesson invented the "grip zone" long before Springfield lol
Really? New Year's Eve? I am amazed that you two have that kind of dedication. Thank you so much for all you do. That being said, I would not be upset if you were to take a bit of time to enjoy a well deserved break. Thank you for providing so much amazing content, especially to do so freely. It really is the highlight of my week whenever I get to watch your videos.
I watched one cowboy shooting. He had just gotten it and hadn't gotten a special holster for it. When he went up to shoot, he holstered it. The sight/latch hit the top of the holster. When he drew it and moved his hand forward, the end of the barrel caught the edge of the holster, tipping the barrel down and popping out all of the cartridges. He had successfully dumped all of his ammo on the ground and just stood there with his mouth open while the rest of us tried to take in what had just happened.
Always a real treat to hear your views! You are a good source of information!
I used to own an original 3rd model Russian and did not appreciate the trigger guard spur like you both showed us. If I did, the fact that the hammer spur felt a mile away wouldn’t have happened. I have a New Model 3 Target Model .44 converted to .22 by a railroad blacksmith in the 20s and would love that spur on the trigger. Not that I feel it’s needed on this model, but because it’s just very cool. by the way, that .22 shoots great.
I'm going to sleep, it's back to work early in the morn... NOPE new C&Rsenal video.
You are right about double action. I have a friend who was in the CB’s in Vietnam driving a Bulldozer building a barracks when he was attacked by NVA his issued M1 carbine and 3 15 round magazines ran out he ended up in a ditch at which time 3 NVA soldiers attacked him up close he puller his personal 357 magnum and dispatched all 3 ending his ordeal. He was not injured during all this attack. He is now 84 and still walking this earth.
You realize most old vets still alive didnt actually see combat and will make up stories right? He probably had a good laugh with his american legion buddies at how naive you are
@@nickuva6508 no not this man I had him as a very good friend. I hate to tell you this but he passed away the day before Christmas of 2022. God rest his soul. Amen.
I just want to say that you guys are doing an amazing job, and that if you would rather stick to WWI firearms then I think that by all means you should. I understand about the collaboration between different youtube channels, but my impression is that there are a lot of people who are fans of this channel who don't actively watch those others that are going into WWII (I'm definitely one of those individuals). So I think if you want to stay in WWI then you should 'stick to your guns' (pun intended) and do so :) I'm also looking forward to when you cover some of the earlier weapons (an episode on the Bavarian Werder would be awesome, my brother owns one). Anyway, keep up the great work!
pazu kitsune I know I’m kinda late, but the Werder would be awesome. Seeing it got some very limited militia, police and training duty. It was arguably the most advanced service rifle of its day, seeing that the Prussians were still using the needle gun and the French had their chassepots. I don’t know if there is another breach loader wich you can fire that quickly. I highly doubt that.
I know this is old, so no one may ever see it. However there was training on reloading a top-break in combat. The traditional training was to carry the gun cross-draw in the holster. When reloaded in combat, the soldier was trained to break the barrel with the off-hand, hold the gun, by the barrel, in that off-hand (ouch!), while while loading ammunition with the dominate hand since ammo is carried on that side of the belt. Once reloaded, the gun was to taken in the dominant hand by the grip, close, and resume firing in combat.
That’s long, but it was the training method for handgun use by the British Army for its Wesley revolvers. Maybe that could be used somewhere.
Why "ouch!"? They would have worn gloves probably
28:11
A few misspellings. I assume you punched them in by eyeing the markings on the gun.
Смита и Вессона оружейная фабрика г. Спрингфилдъ Америка
And ИМПЕРАТОРСКIЙ тульскiй оружейный заводъ 1890 г.
1st is "Smith and Wesson's arms factory, city of Springfield, America"
2nd is "IMPERIAL Tula Arms Plant, y. 1890"
I have an original 1874 S&W Russian Model 3, ( Russian contract) . I'm looking for an enthusiastic collector who can preserve and make use of this great piece of History. Please do let me know if anyone is interested in buying it.
@@antiquelover007 Barking up the wrong tree with me for practical reasons I'm afraid, since I'm not in the US, which I assume is where you are; and don't have a gun license right now otherwise in either case.
Good luck with finding a buyer though!
@@bowmen08 thanks buddy, btw the one i have has the 1st one engraved. Can you please tell me which one better or rare? TIA
@@antiquelover007 Oh, shoot, it's been a while since I've seen this video so I don't remember off the top of my head what Othais said. But, the 1st engraving means it was a revolver made in the US for Russia; the 2nd means it was made in Russia, in the Tula Arms Plant; I'd imagine an S&W made in Russia would probably be more valued as a cool piece.
@@bowmen08 alright thanks alot , please do hook me up with a serious collector/ buyer though. I want it to be preserved, thing is old and itd be a shame to lose it. Cheers
Absolutely phenomenal review! You covered any questions I may have had ! Thanks so much !!
I love that trigger spur.
I cleaned up one carried by a great relative of mine in Texas. Some period gunsmithing was done and they shortened the barrel and added a new front sight. Gun still shoots true after some good cleaning.
I personally find it amusing the rise of double action revolvers. Ive been firing revolvers for some fifty years and for the most part always fire them single action. I personally find the Smith and Wesson top break vastly better than the Colt in actual use.
50:20 "Cool doesn't always mean sensible." That reminds me of the Desert Eagle. :-)
"While we are as excited as everyone else..."
Cut to Mae with an MP40. :D
Aesthetically, I love this revolver and always have. In a beauty contest, Sam Colt can shove his Patersons, Walkers and Peacemakers. Also the operation of it and features remind me of Ja-Ru and Imperial cap guns from the 80s and early 90s. Now that I got that outta my system, onto my original point. One of the things I like to do when I can actually see an historical price for old guns is adjust it for inflation to give me an idea of the gun's value in relative terms. What I found with this was interesting: The first model was still cheaper than the subsequent models even with the thirty-five cent price break. Adjusted for inflation, the first model was $324.51 when you convert 1874 dollars to 2018 dollars. Now, when you convert fifteen 1878 dollars to 2018 dollars, the price per unit comes out to $363.24. I wonder if fluctuation in gold prices or, perhaps, a drop in the American dollar's value didn't have something to do with what would seem a price break in the subsequent models. Either or both is possible as this was before 1971 and we weren't yet using fiat currency.
.44 Russian bullets and, I think, casings were recovered at the Ipatiev House and the Four Brothers mine. So that's one documented use.
Спасибо за видео, комментарий в поддержку
"Like trying fighting a squirrel that doesn't want to cuddle." Quote of the day.
Once again: Outstanding!
Thanks for sharing!
As someone who owns a few rollingblocks, I really want that Remington pistol. Logic be damned
I would say that could be arranged for one to be sent from the stockpiles at my Imperial Arsenal at Tula, but I've been dead for pushing 100 years, Mr. President.
I thought you where dead
I am delighted to finally learn what that spur on the trigger guard is for. I wondered for years what that doodad was for. Now I know. Thank you.
If I were a Russian officer who was going into combat and I had the option of a nagant and its rather weak cartridge or the S&W in .44 Russian that is a man stopper I'm going for the .44 Russian. Yes, I'd prefer to be able to just pull the trigger but I want the person shot to go down after I pull the trigger. If they don't go down shooting them is pretty much a waste of time.
Even a 9mm would kill anybody, and would be absurdly painful. In terms of lethalness, a bullet its a bullet. Except the Kolibri pistol 2.8mm cartridge, its only useful if you get hit right in the face :/
The problem is that they pretty much never had a choice.
In WWII people like my great grandpa were unarmed.
Russians and USSR never knew how to properly share equipment.
@@Schrodingers_kid к сожалению с 1917 года в России всем кто у власти, насрать на людей:Совок-это чудовище, пожирающее само себя и свой народ!
Я уже почти 5 лет живу в Канаде-и здесь хотя бы можно носить (правда в контейнере с замком-но для меня лично в случае чего хватит одной секунды, чтобы открыть, вытащить,взвести и быть готовым к стрельбе)-то оружие, что имеет антикварный статус-я собственно говоря все время так и делаю!Кстати некоторое время назад я таскал именно этот самый Смит Вессон #3-только он у меня оригинал 1874 года выпуска и со стволом 20СМ,а не 16, как на видео!Снаряжал патроны естественно сам-притом этот револьвер хоть и разработан был задолго до появления бездымного пороха-но на самом деле прекрасно выдерживает современные заряды безо всяких повреждений и прочего!Поэтому с моей навеской,которую я использую в этом калибре, выходит у меня начальная скорость пули 14.9 грамм по хронографу от 300 до 330 м/с, это я специально придерживаюсь таких параметров, чтобы у меня выходила скорость дозвуковой-но при этом как можно ближе к скорости звука: так и мощности до хрена и выше-в данном случае 700-800 джоулей, что весьма некисло, учитывая что у любого современного полицейского пистолета в мире-и у Российского Ярыгина, и у Глока, и у Кольта 1911, и у ЦЗ, и в общем-то у всех 9мм и так же у .45 калибра всего 500 джоулей дульной энергии!А ещё и с отливкой пуль в принципе можно при желании такое состряпать, что самому будет стрёмно! Например вместо свинца с примесью сурьмы, использовать таллий с примесью мышьяка-кстати по механике повреждений и по баллистике ничем не отличается от свинца с сурьмой-и пробитие то же самое-только вот стоит такой пулькой попасть в ногу например-и к обычным эффектам,которыми сопровождается попадание обычной пули,добавится то, что если пройдёт навылет-то просто получится очень тяжёлое,а возможно и смертельное отравление этими двумя элементами,а в если пуля застрянет-то здесь практически гарантирован смертельный исход вне зависимости от того, где пуля застрянет! Более того,в отличие от свинцовой пули, с которой после попадания ничего не происходит до самого извлечения, соответственно получается отследить отпечаток нарезки и сопоставить его с базой данных и впоследствии с оружием, из которого был сделан выстрел-то в случае с таллием с примесью мышьяка-он хоть и не так быстро,как какой-нибудь натрий или калий-но растворяется в воде и соответственно в крови!Я когда для эксперимента оставлял пулю 8мм 6.5 грамм,отлитую из этого жутковатого сплава,в воде 40° температурой-через примерно сутки в этой воде на дне оставалось лишь кучка мышьяка в форме очень мелкого порошка-и немного хлопьев гидроксида таллия, который не смог раствориться! Жуткая вещь!А в России ничерта нельзя из этого!
Id choose neither did what most Russian officers did: get a PPSh. If that wasn't available, two Tokarevs , way more powerful than the Nagant revolver, more penetration than the then black powder loaded .44 Russian and held two more shots. Not that anachronistic. 7.63 Mauser will work in a Tokarev safely, just not 7.62 Tokarev in a 7.62 Mauser gun
@@chrismc410 You are talking about guns that didn't exist during WW I.
like the shot at the Springfield Armory "grip zone" idiocy....you'll know it when you see it
Woah . . . you guys and Indy? This could beat Chocolate and Peanut Butter!
After following The Great War, C&Rsenal, and Forgotten Weapons, I stumbled upon Military History Visualised . . . any collaboration between these personal favorites of mine among content creators is welcome and eagerly anticipated.
Sweet stuff.
quality quality quality...you guys deliver every time.. love your work.. don't compromise. take the time you deem necessary.. thank you very much for your efforts so far, between you and Ian from forgotten arms I am in historic firearm heaven. Happy New Year from Cheshire, England.
Amen OThais and Mae!!!
I love my Schofield 45 colt. Won a competition with it. Mine is a Uberti full size . I put simulated ivory grips . Blueing with the grips and case hardened touches make it beautiful. I have speed loaders and a drop cross draw as well for self defense. Also have a cowboy rig for when I am cowboying. It is much simpler than my SA ARMY 45.
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These guys are regular troopers , They worked over New Year & presumably Christmas as well just to give Us viewers a New Years present to savor , They all deserve Medals .
Thanks all at C&R , Good luck with the future plans , I will almost certainly be a subscriber & a Happy New Year To All .
Thanks for the *GRIP ZONE™* reference. Gave me a chuckle.
Small addition for Mae: Where is S&W #3 Russian 1880 "officer" model, which is Double Action...
I love "War Where Declared".
The coolest Revolver ever. My Modell3 have Nr.357!!! Mj. 1874
A very big revolver in stainless steel.
Thanks for this story..
I still have no power (120 days and counting) or Intenet but when I find some good internet this videos are a top priority. Let's hope this is a greater year than last year othias.
Happy New Year, guys!!!
Best explanation of the notorious finger rest issue I have ever seen!
"Colt Single Action Army, the finest handgun ever made..."
"Wouldn't you have easier access to a Model 3, and a bias for that?"
"Tactical engravings, son."
Thanks for the late night videos
Dear C+Rsenal, thank you so much for your work. To help you out with your plight, maybe do a video on the greatest service rifle that the russians ever used for both world wars?
I can't imagine a squirrel not wanting to cuddle in that beard.
This shooting segment wins the award for best song.
The American Army lucked out on this gun and instead listened to that whiny Colt knob. Sure the Peacemaker was more iconic but the Model 3 was the real king of revolvers during that period.
With the Peacemaker aka Colt SAA, you'll have to load it one round individually thru the loading gate and same goes to ejection and that was a hassle for men on horseback (That was one of the factor that sped up the destruction of Custer's men during the Battle of Little Big Horn) but with the Model 3, it's easy when you just crack the top open, yank the barrel side down and all the rounds would be ejected. Move the gun to your rein hand and start loading it and once loading is complete, just snap it back and continuously fire at the enemies. In fact the Webley proved their worth on how a hasten reload could save lives in both major wars they fought like the 2nd Boer War.
Jun Kitami the one thing you have to remember is that the US Army Schofield didn’t have a spurred trigger guard like the Russian no3. The Schofield would have been far more awkward to manipulate in cocking it as a result. I think the Russian no3 was better then the peacemaker, but the Schofield, would’ve had mediocre ergonomics compared to the peacemaker. So it’s a matter of faster loading vs better ergonomics and faster firing.
S&w handles like shit from horseback, and is weak and fragile? Go "yanking" on one and it'll soon loosen up. Shoot one much and it'll loosen up. The cylinder is too short for .45 colt because .45 colt would rapidly use one up. Colt is slower to unload, but infinitely better in every other way. Top break is awesome, but even today it gives too much in strength.
The weak and fragile argument was made up by Colt and his employees themselves to keep their contract and of course, to kick S&W in the nuts. The .45 Colt can't fit in the Schofield because it was a bit longer to fit in the American Model 3 while the Peacemaker could fit both. Plus the top break rigidity issue was utter crap as both lasts as long as the shooter could fire, even till their deathbed calls for them. Plus if your gate loaders are so useful, it won't be killed off directly after WWII with the Nagant while top breaks are still in use up to the 21st Century with the REX.
Sure having a solid frame is stronger but does that mean it's useless against the Peacemaker and waaay inferior? Fuck no.
Jun Kitami, you don't own one of these, do you, lol.
Btw, Samuel Colt died in 1862.
Didn't say gate loading was the way to go, although as a cavalry arm the saa is easier to load on horseback.
Full house black powder .45 colt, if it would chamber them, would shoot out an original s&w in a couple hundred rounds.
The saa points like an extension of your arm. The schofield, not so much. Hitting your target rapidly, and by point shooting is important with a pistol.
I owned a Model 3 Russian "7 at one point and that thing was a pleasant to fire with it's massively easy reloading procedure that only those side swing revolvers can compete. Sure the sight isn't bad but I had no issues lining it up target and mind you, there's 0 refurbishment done on it till the time I had it in 2008 which I sold it out with my other guns when I migrated back to my home country. I also owned a repro Italy made SAA and I still shot the Model 3 more than the SAA with still 0 works done when I sold both out. Instead, I had to get the plunger spring for the ejector for the SAA after firing just 200 rounds with it.
Othias: Everyone say hey to Michael.
Viewership: HI MICHAEL!
If single action was the only real downside, you should really make an episode on the Orbea Hermanos N.7, sold to France, Italy and UK in their respective service cartridges during WWI. It would be interesting to see a comparison between them.
All this talk of Winchester's and wheel guns and the thought of ww2 related videos gets me hyped for future content. it feels like we have been bogged down in the mud of ww1 era firearms for years. huh funny that. but can't say it wasn't a fun time.
Top break revolvers are my favorites. Especially the S&W Model 3 series, those guns were awesome. I'm glad you are going to finish up with WWI as I personally find that war more interesting than WWII, but I understand you have to keep up with the other channels. Good luck on everything, looking forward to your book on WWI weapons, and Happy New Year!
Thank you. I love the reviews you 2 conduct!
Once again other interests and games have me wandering back to CnR's fine knowledge base.
The angle of the barrel/cylinder in the fully open position is meant for the Cavalry. You could easily hold the pistol in your reins hand while riding and still load the pistol with your firing hand. In an era of professional Cavalry, that style of break is very useful.
Thank you, another very enjoyable and informative video. Cheers!
Good channel. No politics either. Thanks!
It was made in a double action "frontier" modal.. in 44R and 44/40
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Девчонка просто невозможно красивая.И болтливая.Прелесть.
S&W No.3 is one of the popular revolver made by Smith&Wesson company. It’s too bad that this pistol that loose by Colt Peacemaker.
Happy new beer Othias and Mae, From down under!
I'd love to get one of these old SW's or Colts but they always throw a total pisser about having pistols over .38 caliber. Unless you do metallic silhouette.
Never mind the fact you can just get one of those in .357 Magnum. No problems there. but what's the point? I want an original!
I shot one of these a few days ago, a replica (Uberti?) in .45 Long Colt. Hadn't shot in 30 years, am scheduled for cataract surgery - but the grip is so natural that I had a tight group almost right away. Was shooting at 40+ feet, and 4 hits could be covered with a credit card. The sights were a modern square U notch and silvered front blade. OK, I was shooting 2 handed and resting my arms on a railing, but I'm really not a shooter. My point is, that grip with the knuckle and the extra finger loop is fantastic.
This channel deserves so many more subscribers.
Othais, I've seen the Grabenfeger (MP-18) on the wall behind you during the Great War Russian Weapons live stream. Can't hide it from us anymore, old chap.
I heard somewhere, (I think it was forgotten weapons), that the Russians wanted the trigger guard spur because, at the time, the Russian cavalry carried their pistols in a sash around the waist, and the spur would keep the heavy pistol from falling through.
It might be interesting to research into whether they issued these weapons with holsters or not.
I am not being critical, but I am very curious.
Always enjoy your shows,
Wesley J. Warnke
Happy New Year to Mae, Othais, Mark and others!
Just found your channel. Wow you guys are amazing. You really know your stuff. I will be checking out all your vids for sure. Mae you a breath of fresh air. And totally gorgeous. I’m in love.
Thank you very much for these wonderful videos.
I own four of the Beretta/ Uberti Schofields because in California were I was born and raised they have made suggestions that they want to make gun laws just like Australia. Where you are only allowed single action revolvers so that is why I bought the Beretta’s. I just recently subscribed because I was born and raised in Fontana California and I couldn’t trust the powers against us and our guns to not come after me for being a subscriber through Red Flag laws.
So I got the Beretta scholfields so that I could have the very best single action, fastest reloading revolver that has been made.
Been a sub since you guy start i dont care if you cover ever gun of ww1 or not just. Im happy with an guns you cover
you use the handgun to get to your primary weapon...semi-auto in an intermediate cartridge at least with or without the bayonet...at least that is the present mind set...i agree with Mae and Othais
Thanks, Michael!
That trigger spur is so cool. If you only get single action, that’s what I want on my revolver.
Best of the new year to you both and thanks for the channel!
Thanks Michael!
This Is A Great Video. Thanks For Your Knowledge
First video of 2018 is definitely a good one!
And happy New Year to you too.
27:48 in Russian: "S&W (with 2 mistakes) weapon factory city of Springfield America"
Correct - "СмИта И Вессона оружейная фабрика г. Спрингфильдъ Америка"
And 2 mistakes in "ИмператорскiЙ тУльскiй оружейный заводъ"
Is this based off image searching the slides or off just reading it?
No one cares commie.
Both - Russian is my native language.
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@PickelJars, really? Understanding cyrillic makes you a commie? Fuck off with your cold war mentality, you've already won, mate.
What ever you say tinkerbell.
I want to add some data.
Gun you showed is second pattern, adopted in 1872. First pattern was adopted in 1871, it had 8" barrel and no spur. Third pattern was adopted in 1880, it had 6,5" barrel, new model drum fixation and double action (in russian documents of that time it was called "officer model, triple action"). Japan bought 1000 pieces if 1880 model from USA. Also shortened and lightened version of 1880 model was produced in Belgium for private purchases, it was quite popular in Russia
so glad I found this channel, amazing work!
First primer of the new year!
Just a note on "German Silver" also known as Nickel silver is a very durable materiel. I'd say on par with the common steel used for non-pressure bearing parts. I assume it was removed more for cost savings.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_silver
From my experience with carrying steel bolstered and NS bolstered pocket knives, I'd say NS is definitely more malleable.
“Nice.” Othais is watching MRE reviews. :)
Just got myself a Nagant and I have to say, the Smith seems like a better choice. Yes, it is SA and the nagant has seven rounds but the No. 3 is more powerful, hopefully more accurate and has to be faster on ejecting and reloading.