American Rapper First Time Seeing - BTS vs Radio [Reaction]
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Back in the day ARMY had conversations about paying for advertising on RUclips. We saw BlackPink fans paying for advertising on and seeing the promotion and access they got. It's hard because that means ARMY has to work harder for BTS, than other fan groups and we still don't hear BTS on the Radio. All I can say, it's been hard to watch others gain access, because we ARMY have decided to play by the rules.
I agree but I would say stop with the radio thing unless you pay for advertising of BTS on that radio then you can choose the songs you wish them to be associated with. It serves both your wants while squarely playing within and by the rules.
@@Jurnalist_ You're right. I think ARMYS collectively decided we'd rather focus on sales. With the thought being we'd rather help our artists get paid directly, rather than sending our money to others in hopes that it helps BTS in some round-about way.
(We do stream bc it's an important metric and (at least somewhat) within our control, but we don't appreciate how that financial system is setup either.) Bottom line, we'd always prefer BTS get paid.
@@alis6259 with how PRO(performing rights organizations) work paying for ads that have to be played before or after a BTS song means you are actively paying them still with those spins and the royalty return rate on a radio spin is massively higher than a stream or a downloaded album. So in a way you still are putting money in their pockets in a meaningful way but you use the corrupt system against the corrupt owners.
@@Jurnalist_ I would love for you to pin this comment. I think it is worth it for many people to read it. It's very interesting. thanks 💜
@@livuniverse no problem.
The reason armys are so well educated about the american (and the world) music industry, charts, radio (much more educated than you guess) is because many of us are professional researchers, marketing experts, musicians, lawers, etc. And these professionals run fanbases on twitter that educate the fandom on every matter. We know how we could play the system, but we're determined to support BTS in honest ways, just like BTS work.
That’s dope to know. Not only is BTS covering a wide age and gender range but also professional range as well. Ty for the insight.
@@Jurnalist_ There have even been a few unofficial academic conferences about bts in the past few years. Unofficial cause it's fan-organized and has nothing to do with bts or their company. Just free academic labor related to bts xD could be anything from literary inspirations, marketing techniques and how they relate to storytelling, to museum curating (which is still related, I promise). Fun fact, key speaker last year was Paulo Coehlo
@@Ana-id6uk the alchemist author? That’s crazy big. That’s also crazy you guys have fan events that have changed lives and made connections for people for their lives.
Yes, BTS really seem to be a very educated fandom. I myself am a 39-year-old neuroscientist. We have so many people with data/analytics backgrounds!
@@Jurnalist_ Yep, I run a marketing agency and actually started following BTS and became ARMY because of the Harvard case study on BTS. I went to the top marketing university in the world (Kellogg) and have been tracking them for their content marketing prowess outside this radio BS. This fan base is a country on its own and has restored my faith in the ability to create world peace. 🤣 You should watch This is Army by XCeleste to get a good pic of ARMY. 💜💜
It has gotten harder like within the last year, but as a whole, army has an agreed upon set of rules when it comes to the guys: if you saw them in public, no you didn't. Don't bother them, dont tweet about their location, dont take pics without their consent. Stuff like that. Especially if they are having a private schedule or with family and friends. There was an interview with a restaurant owner of a place BTS ate at who was asked if the fans got super excited to see BTS there and the guy was like "they looked absolutely terrified and would not even look at them." An army encountered them at work when some members were doing one of those flying wind tunnel things and she was like "I was doing everything in my power to be professional cus I didnt want to bother them but I was screaming inside the entire time." We get that BTS are humans and know that with their fame/success comes very little privacy. So most of us (the crazy 1% not included) are content to let them have whatever privacy can be afforded to them. There is a reason we were ready to throw hands with a monk for Namjoon 4 days ago bc the guy leaked a private convo to a magazine and Namjoon called him out for it on IG saying #lowkeyshouldstaylowkey and that he would not be going to that temple again.
BTS' time and private lives are sacred and whatever they are comfortable opening up and willingly sharing with us is a gift and an honor. And I am happy the vast majority of army are on the same page about this.
This is the balance I think all famous people want but they don’t know how to craft it like BTS did.
@@Jurnalist_ although most ARMY's are delulu's but they know where to draw the lines
We respect BTS as an artist and as an admirable human beings
We don't treat them like how the media potray us like "being obsessive teenage girls"
@@rafaelsmith5737 they fact that you generalized a group of supporters with the most charity contributions of any Artist's fandom to the crazy 1% that all successful Artists have is one of the reasons why it's difficult to get the general public into BTS...
@@TheRita200 TRUE, it's hard to put a clean image on something if that something has even the tiniest bit of dirt cause people will only focus at that dirt and ignore everything
@@rafaelsmith5737 you are VERY correct ✅
I agree that the system is corrupt as hell, but we have to play to the game. We also buy the physical copies, but if we want our guys to get recognition through awards and charts... we HAVE to stream. *sigh* If the charts were based on physical sales alone... BTS would have next to zero competition. In there last concert in Las Vegas, V asked the women to cheer and then the men... the number of men there was AWESOME! (There are fan cams of this) and as a 42 year old woman, I can testify that the vast majority of people at the Permission to Dance LA concerts (I was there all four days) were ages 25 and up. The friend I went with the first day is a 60+ year old high school English teacher. And we don't "pass out" because that would make us miss some of the show. :p
The pass out part was hilarious- I would also assume it was different back then, crushing/crowded ppl, pushing, prodding and stifling hot. Anyone would pass out just from that
46 year old Army. I went to the MetLife concert, so many older fans there as well. I think my whole section was mostly over 30. We didn’t pass out but definitely lots of screaming, singing, dancing, chanting, Army bomb waving, laughing, clapping till my hands hurt and tears going on that day ☺️
When I went to see the BTS concerts, my husband did say “don’t pass out before or during the show. You’ve been waiting for this for a long time it’ll be a waste if you pass out. Pass out after.” 🤣
One thing I didn't see....before BTS "made it America" they had to fight the Korean Music industry to get airplay & that Big 3, along with the television shows were lined up against them. From the start BTS & Army have been fighting a corrupted system...if anything the cut/bruises/battles in their home market got them ready for the fights on the global stage. It's why BTS Run, Soop, and the BTS bombs on RUclips exist, why streaming is so big for them, why direct album purchases work - those were all direct way to support the boys. Suga said in an interview that without social media BTS couldn't have existed & he was right.
He sqeezed the "pass out" at the end lol. ARMY are known to last all through the concerts even going hard in the first half,
RM always remind us to save some energy haha but they control themselves and us very well with a great setlist and very organised concert events, so no one would want to miss such epic experience. I was also at both PTD in LA & LV. 💜
I don't think you will ever find ARMY fainting when BTS is performing in front of them because you see BTS everywhere, everytime, on social media, they are "reachable" and relatable whereas during the time of MJ, fans were not used to seeing him all the time and there's a lot of mystery surrounding him. They were like "gods" that they can only see once in a blue moon (if they're lucky), just like the old Hollywood celebrities. So seeing them will definitely create some sort of hysteria. Social media changed the way we see celebrities. The fan mentality has evolved.
I couldn't stand MJ didn't enjoy his music at all he also gave off weird vibes.
You didn't need to stand him. He had his own 2 legs and feet to stand on. He also used them to moonwalk to succeed.
@@taetertoddy1230 Oh I see you don't understand what I said. When someone says they can't 'stand someone or some thing' it means they really do no like something or someone. lol
ARMY aren't passing out at BTS concerts, we spend too much money and have to go through a " May the odds be ever in your favor" type race against time to get those tickets. Nothing would make me miss any moment of their time on stage.
Watch a video called "This is ARMY" by X Celeste, to get an introduction of the fandom.
ARMY is diverse, even though most are female you can see whole families of different generations at a BTS concert. I'm 40 and the only ARMYs I know personally are older than me. I'm still trying to convince my husband to get to know these guys, but he's real headstrong in his narrow mindedness towards them. I get jealous of other couples who enjoy BTS together, and their are a lot of them.
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if there have been people fainting at the sight of BTS but it would be odd to me that they would. It would make sense for MJ and stars of those eras, but BTS's entire brand is build on humanizing themselves in an industry where they are literally called idols. They are in a space where they are supposed to be seen as perfect, flawless, above regular people, the most beautiful, the most fit, the most talented, never making mistakes, never having a bad hair day, never having blemishes on their skin, never visibly unhappy, never visibly tired, always charismatic, always graceful, never taking a bad photo even if it's a candid photo or the video is pause, never involved in scandal, the perfect human within the music industry. That's the general goal.
They were judged, bullied and looked down on for not even attempting to fit that role. Fans of other idols saw BTS as tainting and polluting what it meant to be an idol. They were seen as different because they showed all of the "bad" and "embarrassing" sides of themselves, being filmed far more than it was probably healthy to be. We saw them grow up from teenagers to adults. Yes they are still pedestalized by fans, but there's still a sense of humanness about them too that people see them as an extended family or friend group. They are always inviting us into their private times where they are eating, sleeping, practicing, doing day to day things, sometimes doing absolutely nothing. They will literally have footage of them just sitting on a bench people watching or them watching TV or reading a book or washing their dishes.
All of this to say that they've grounded themselves too much to have fainting as a barameter for their stardom. People simply didn't have this level of intimate access with celebrities back in those days so they were viewed much more differently. I mean after you've watched your fave almost choke to death on a mango or talk about letting a fart go, it's hard not to see them as just some guy lol. Not even celebs today with all the social media out there would put themselves out there to the nearly unhealthy way BTS has. I know more about some of them than I do my own family that I live with because most people tend to keep certain things to themselves. We will never know what Michael Jackson looks like when he's sleeping in his bed, which stuffed toy he sleeps with, what position he sleeps in, what his snores sound like, what PJs he wears or what he does as soon as he wakes up. It legit weirds me out sometimes that we even have this info in our memories because it's sprinkled into normal content for over a decade.
So the thing is, we know Radio DJs are not the ones who choose which songs get airplay. But it drives us crazy that those DJs always pin the lack of plays on us not playing nice, as if they have any power over the songs. Or else, they blame BTS' label for not "pushing" the song when we know what that "push" they're asking for means. We're actually just tired of their BS and lies. They should stop using us for engagement and stringing us along. We learned about the ugly face of the industry and iHeartRadio the hard way lol..
As for the steroids of streaming, we stream to support BTS as hard as we can fairly, precisely coz we know the system is pointedly trying to shut them out. The changes Billboard made to reduce the weight of physical sales was a direct response to RM telling them to change their system if they have a problem with ARMY playing by the rules to. Billboard keeps discontinuing or reforming charts that BTS dominate. It's clear to me that the American music industry first saw BTS as some cute foreign fad. Once they realised that they kept growing bigger over the years and surpassing American artists without benefitting the American music industry powers-that-be, they started seeing them as a problem. The award shows call them coz they know the kind of engagement BTS brings, but they never give them what they deserve in return. The kind of barriers BTS face are so convoluted, I think it completely makes up for any advantage the streaming age gives them.
About the radio station's tweet about smelling V's pillow... I take pride in ARMY being very vocal about our fandom culture. I think that is a major reason why we function differently from other fanbases. We are not entitled to them, they deserve respect and privacy. They share more than enough with us. I really don't want to see anything about them that is not with their consent and approval. But a lot of the world doesn't see celebrities as humans, so they find our stance strange. There are toxic creeps who we don't consider ARMYs. Anyone who bragged about renting an airbnb to smell the guys would be considered a sasaeng (which is the word for stalker-like obsessive fans), not an ARMY. I recall a weird designer advertising that he was auctioning an outfit Jimin wore for a performance, saying that it was unwashed and smelled like him. That was such a creepy thing to say. ARMY made enough noise condemning it that the auction was cancelled.
Thank you! I was just going to write a long post about saesangs, but you've done it beautifully. Yes, ARMY slams and shuns behaviour like that, and I am also very proud that we respect their privacy and wish for them to have healthy lives with healthy relationships 💜
Thank well said about us steaming and why we try so hard doing it and buying.
Also I 100% agree with what you said about ARMY. I want BTS to have privacy and welcome what they want to show.
ugg gross and I bet it was a fraud eg a copy he'd had run up and sweated in himself hoping to get a load of money off the back of ARMY. It's what creeps like that do.
Also about mj 😂
Yeah I don't know if people would faint at the sight of bts.
Cus during the Micheal Jackson days, he was basically like a myth to the fans.
They didn't know him.... they only knew his stories.
That aura of mystery mixed with his stage presence is what caused the fainting in my opinion. It was awe at the sight of him irl, finally seeing him after they had developed their own ideas of him.
BTS definitely have the presence... People say they glow irl. But bts are not myths, they don't have mystery. We know how they look when they are drooling and sleeping cus they show it to us on camera lmaoo.
So its more like omg it's bts... but instead of just pure awe, awe is there, but mixed with that is a sense of recognition of who they are behind the stage, just seven boys yk? Respect is a huge element also since bts themselves come from the east. The army has adopted a lot of the traditional Eastern practices of respect by watching bts. So we first and foremost have that respect culture in our fanbase.
Its a new age of being a fan.
You got my exact point when it came to me and I totally agree why they don’t or maybe won’t pass out for BTS.
Totally understand your points of comparison
Writing while watching so still editing this...
6:32 I honestly didn't know about "marketing budgets". Appreciate that I learned something new today, thanks. 👍
25:28 They don't do arena shows, they sell out stadiums in an hour and getting tickets is like the Hunger Games. 😆
28:05 And Dynamite is in Fortnite 😉
33:50 Oh, there're definitely toxic ARMYs and anyone denying it is a part of the problem.
11:46 and 48:52 We would never pay DJs to play their records because we know the guys would despise it.
52:24 Don't get me started on Spotify. 🤬 There's an entire video about our problems with Spotify and I would LOVE for you to watch it.
BTS vs Spotify tomorrow 🤝🏾
@@Jurnalist_
Thank you🙏🥰
I am a grown-ass 42-year old married career woman with bills to pay. If by some miracle I manage to get front row seats to a BTS concert someday, I wouldn't pass out but I would most likely abandon all dignity and be crying/laughing/singing/screaming the entire time. You got it completely right too. The BTS-Army phenomenon is something I have never seen before, or ever imagined myself a part of. I have never before loved a musician or artist to the extent that I am willing, nay, compelled to spend my hard-earned money on them. I hate social media, never been into collecting stuff or merch, and I'm too busy to keep up with the Army voting/charting activities - so I support BTS by buying physical albums, paying for their online content even though there's so much free content I have yet to consume, I purchase tickets to all their online concerts even for the days I know i have to work and probably can't watch. I waste money on YT & Spotify premium just for BTS. I've only been Army for 2.5 years, what have I become??? 🤣In all seriousness, I became Army because their lyrics and messages move me, their work ethic inspires me and their vulnerability humbles me. I also genuinely enjoy listening to their music. The song that converted me was Paradise. Please do check out a lyric video for it. Had me bawling in my kitchen at 3am rethinking my life choices 😭
Paradise is in my top 5.. squarely. I strongly believe that most of us ARMY who are into BTS are because of the b-sides. It's the b-sides that make people ARMY, fight me on that. I have about 15 songs in the top 5 but Paradise is a gift. I still have a dream that maybe after hiatus, the first concert they would actually play this song. I am going to keep hope alive that they perform this song one day. 💜💜😂😂
Exactly the same story and same life, sister ! Only différence : 'im 58 yo, and the song that convert me was Magic shop !
I am 47 and I come from Metal Hard Rock and love BTS! I don’t know how it happened but I love BTS with some Metallica, GNR, Dee Leppard, etx
True. I have gotten promotions for free tickets to see some of the best artists, but I never took advantage of them because although I liked their songs, I was never a hardcore fan, so I didn't see the value in spending my money for the cost of the trip to go see them. However, with BTS, I am willing to spend like never before and have spent... of course, I have a limit, but my limit is not low for BTS.
Few numbers about Bts popularity. Their free Busan concert last october had about 70k seats and a big live stream in the near beach. That brought about 400k foreigners to Busan plus the people who traveled inside Korea. The concert benefit to Busan tourism is calculated to be about $700million. Concert was free live streamed around the world and had in total about 70million on time viewers. I am 45 years, I was in the front row, but didnt pass out tho 🤣 There were sadly many grown women who did pass out, it was hot and very crowded. I dont know if that would count to what you were talking about 😆
😅 I have just passed out bcs of jealousy (1st raw!), does it count? I think people were taking MJ like some kind of god this the reactions. BTS are different, ARMY sees them as humans they r. Even though we dream to see them at their shows, we most likely to lose voices from screaming then pass out but hey, maybe it's just me
oh man, you have seen the guys yell ´´Fuck you, I don´t care, you cant control my shit´´ to all those government officials...and from the front row, too. I envy you
It’s close 😂😂😂 it’s for sure a start.
You are correct it was his god like mythology that created the scenario for them to pass out.
@@Jurnalist_ Yeah, I dont think we would get that in that scale. Army knows Bts, we feel that they are our friends, brothers, sons, "boyfriends" or "husbands". Bts has made sure in their exposure that we see them as humans and not gods. I mean, if you hear guys talk and laugh in a live stream about how Jk's farts are so powerful, how do you move on to gods after that? In serious, they play games with army in livestream, we see them yell and scream when they loose a game etc. We adore them yes, we love them yes, we appreciate them yes, some of us want to marry them yes 🤣 in stage they might be gods, but outside stage they are just 7 guys who love music and who army loves to hang out with. And with army, I mean the healthy side of the fandom, the crazy saesangs and stans are not army 💜
now this is the is the kind of reaction/commentary i truly appreciate. an openness to correct/educate/learn more about the industry. being able to talk about how things are (albeit sad/frustrating etc.) is helpful to gain a better understanding of what is so tight lipped about a corrupted system that we have to deal with to be able to enjoy BTS. one can hope that it will change but being in the know as fans of artists i find is important. this was truly an incredible talk that not many ppl, let alone reactors, do. thank you @jurnalist for the honest discussion! 🖤🥀
P.S......pls don't make "steroids" part of any future merch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Happy to do it and happy to see you guys were able to understand my points and for us to discuss them further.
It may slip in there now that you mention it but my merch if offered is actual clothes like you see me wear in my videos. The clothes I wear outside of a couple sweaters are my own garments that I manufactured for me to wear for my brand. So my merch would be items that look and feel great but display like regular clothes you'd wear in your everyday lives.
@@Jurnalist_ Even there, you align with the BTS members! While there's a huge merch industry around them, offering the typical K-pop things (just like Japan with their kawaii things even for adults, the same kind of kiddie cuteness sells in Korea), it's a whole different thing when the members design and choose things themselves for this new, adult audience they seem bound to have for life.
Items that are useful in everyday life, that don't scream "merch" - that's what you'll see from them.
@@tildatiger thats the only things i want to provide otherwise i contribute to a bigger issue and I dont make lasting products thats a system i dont want to be in. plus i think i make pretty dope clothes😂😂🤷🏾♂🤷🏾♂
As a 54 y/o bill paying adult, I would pass out. I almost did during a BTS sound check, but I didn't want to miss anything by checking out.
A quick pass out never hurt anyone. 😂😂
Jokes aside stay safe out there.
I appreciate your reaction on this video. I worked with some of the biggest advertiser s/brands in the world, Ford, Coke, GM to name a few and put together marketing plans for media such as radio, OTT streams, Facebook, etc and you are so right when it comes to the brands... they will associate with artists they want. Ad agencies, who work on behalf of the brands are also a bastion of racism and xenophobia. They are very stupid that way. I worked with both general market and POC ad agencies. What they still don't understand especially here in the United States with the fan base as big as it is... now more than ever as ARMY, we will pay for anything that BTS endorses and once more American brands get associated with that like McDs, Coke, Hyundai and a few others then we may see some changes in radio because... trust me the ARMY will support the advertisers that support BTS. It is the higher-ups at the brands and the higher-ups at the dumb ad agencies that still don't see it due to racism and xenophobia. The economic power behind ARMY is massive and if you look at your stats YT Army is older with lots of money to spend. I was at BTS - PTD in LA and I didn't see grown people passing it out but I did see ambulances on the property when I walked in. That place was full of grown women AND men I think the ratio was about 65/35 women/men 😀💜💜😀😀
I’m glad my point on advertising is understood.
If army focused on advertising and not radio play directly those spins and influence would shift overnight.
You are correct about the numbers I was very surprised when i saw the influx from the army.
Not saying I want people passing out but it is a metric I’ve seen in multiple occasions from legacy talent like prince and Micheal and I think BTS could get that same response.
I am happy to hear they had safety on site. Gotta keep army safe at all cost.
i appreciate you talking about bts with honesty. people of all genders, races, ages, nationalities, religions and sexualities loving bts gives me hope. the fandom is so diverse, it's nice to see other people liking and respecting bts' hard work, skills and artistry. i am happy that you aren't being fake, but you aren't making fun of them either, you are a real reactor who doesn't use the boys for views. also, i know for a fact that if bts were white and traditionally masculine presenting men they wouldn't be as hated half as bad as they are now, lol. also sorry for bad english in advance, it isn't my first language.
Don’t worry you came through loud and clear.
Yes I can only discuss music in an honest fashion and I am sometimes far to passionate and go overboard so I try and keep a good medium of passion and honesty.
The diversity of person and age is something to be amazed at as most groups that look like BTS cant even get a tenth of the range the army consist of.
Armies love any kind of honest reactions especially with some interesting and intelligent perspectives. Please don’t apologize for the length of time. I’m 62 years old and BTS has brought me pure joy and delight with their music and performances. I look forward to your next reaction. By the way Boracity Magazine has really good contents and I hope you can react to another episode. Thanks ☺️
I agree that the real enemy is ClearChannel, iHeart, and people who run streaming services (e.g. Jeremy Ehrlich, Spotify CEO). I also agree about advertising. The payola is real, but nuanced. This video is an introduction but of course can't hit every detail. ARMYs in 2023 have pretty much stopped trying to court DJs, though we do thank them on social media if they give BTS some spins. We have learned, and so has BTS. They've clearly become very disillusioned with the industry as a whole. We will keep streaming and buying and do what we can to support them. I truly wish real ARMYs could own a radio station (or 10) or have an advertising budget!!
I think the point if this video, though, is that BTS (and their company) are refusing to play the dirty aspects of the game -- they play the game, but they try like hell to play fair, and they do depend and lean on ARMY, and we try to be there for them. It can honestly be exhausting.
Another note -- yes, there are some fans who would smell a BTS members' pillow. We try not to call them ARMYs to differentiate them from BTS' core fan base. Of , can't gatekeep the term "ARMY" so they will call themselves ARMYs, but.... hopefully, you get the idea. The term in Korean for an obsessive fan/stalker is "sasaeng" (pronounced sass-ang, or close to that), and we don't consider them ARMYs. That's a whole other video, though :)
Thanks for your insight and understanding into what BTS and ARMY are trying to do. Becoming an ARMY has taught me so very much about the industry, but there is always more to learn.
Brooke Morrison is a big BTS fan and was a radio host I think, and has since been working in the music industry. There's a lot she can't say, but she's gained much info from many industries professionals, including a lot of people at the top. She has a RUclips channel, and just dropped a video called. "The real "BEEF" the Western music industry has with K-Pop"
@@janetuss6496 I am so watching that, thanks.
@@chere100 no prob! If you haven't seen her channel before, Brooke is lovely! She's been to several BTS concerts and has vlogs of them too. Her vlog of their Las Vegas concert last year includes her going to a BTS afterparty at a club, which was cool to see. I think I remember her helping the DJ pick out BTS songs to play.
Thank you for helping army and educating us on the ends and out of radio.
A lot of information we did not know but trust me we're listening to you and we're learning.
It's not too many people that will take time out to tell us this information so I just want to say thank you for helping us.
I can listen and tell that you do respect BTS and what they stand for you're only trying to help.
Thank you for understanding where I’m coming from. I didn’t start my reactions or any of this to be mean or to hate on anyone. 🤝🏾🫡
BTS ARMY are mostly adults, more than 50% are. And I dont think the nature of BTS fandom and MJ's is the same. To us BTS are more human, due to the social media and their presence we connect and see them as they r. And MJ era was different. I font think there is even a need to compare. MJ is a legend no doubt. BTS are living legends of their time but of other kind and nature. No need to compare them. I guess why you are saying his bcs in guides they talk about BTS breaking MJ records and Beatles. But it only means that they stand next to the greatest, they r that good, it's their level
And HONESTLY people In Usa BELIEVE that the REST of the world think like them,I've seen young people with t-shirts of The Beatles and listen to The Beatles none of them to MJ.There are legends and legends you know.
@@thebaobabs206 Well, this is true, not the whole world thinks like US. For example, for many the language barrier isn't a problem, many country have been watching movie and shows with subtitles forever. Countries where highschoolers know 4-5 languages do not care about it and will easily put BTS on the radio. However, denying MJ icon status wouldn't be right. He is like Beyonce, maybe not too much people are listening to their music on daily now but during their active time they were iconic and the work they put in performance and music is amazing (both on their own level). Even BTS homage MJ in their dances, his iconic status can not be denied. It all comes down to music taste, which is subjective and can not be judged
definitely way more than half, because bts has been around for 10 years and are now entering their 30s, most armys grow up with them and also in our 20s and 30s now. and more.
@@binary964 I think so too but I didnt see any recent stat, so was careful with naming the numbers
There are people who would follow BTS and be obsessed with them we do not consider them ARMYs and we call them out all the time. ARMY refuse the celebraty culture with all the paparazzi, spying on guys or doing something else creepy like this. Guys have talked about these things and that it makes them uncomfortable, and it is just common sense when you respect a person you would not want to invade their personal space or be creepy like that smelling the pillows. It is just not ARMY way of treating BTS. One of our rules is "when you see BTS in public, you do not see them". We do not approach or take pictures of them. V even thanked ARMYs a year ago when he had vocation in Hawaii and wasn't bothered there or in airport
Thank you for all this information!! I didn't know alot of this mess! This is how BTS is so honest and really care about how they're music goes out to whoever loves their music. I'm 68yrs, and I don't think they need to be on any radio stations. This is why they do their own work! They don't need this and they worked so hard and learned as they went through their hardships!! I know this bothers them and that's why ARMYS are behind them. The music industry will not ever change and that's sad!!
I agree they don’t need radio but as artist we want to be considered for despite the toxic and false totems they may represent.
haha about the fainting, although it happens, it's very rare that fans faint. but u also have to remember the set up of the concerts are diffent in bts shows. the safety and comfort of fans is a major priority.
when i saw michael jackson i had floor standing tickets. it was summer time, superhot and we were packed like sardines. i spent most of the show with my face squished against the armpit of a tall stranger and despite staff shooting water canons to cool us off i saw quite a few semi unconscious ppl being pulled out of the audience. i mean sure, they might have fainted cause of michael but i'd factor in all the other reasons as well.
also, michael was almost a mythical creature that u rarely saw and a lot of things about him were mysterious and other wordly whereas bts almost feel like our family cause we've seen so much of them as normal flawed people just like us.
heh. indeed, i have a feeling that bts and their company would take it badly if fans were fainting at their concerts; it wouldn't be considered a badge of honour to them.
some examples of how they prioritise the safety and comfort of fans to supplement your comment: when their audience sizes grew, they mostly stopped having standing tickets - even the floor tickets were seated, with lots of security around to encourage people to stay where their seats are. their staff also prompt them through their in-ear monitors on the crowd condition and they receive advice on whether it's safe for them to get closer to the crowd or to stay firmly on the stage.
bts fans are also generally quite well-behaved and considerate of their fellow concert-goers' experience. the concerts i've been to have felt very well-managed and civilised, which for me is a selling point! :D
Now i understand the meaning of "TO SURVIVE IN THIS CRAZY INDUSTRY.." - RM
GL, Armies are all nationalities, races, cultures, ages, men and women from all over the world... you will find it wrong and that Army are not what people typically think of 16 year old girls who fan boys. This is the reason why the boys are so big. They reach to such a huge audience... their humble and authenticity is why people stand them. They are ultimately the most deserving artist of our time!!
I don’t disagree but if you look at it from my side. They are the biggest thing you walk the earth since Micheal and princes era and they still have so much bigger they can get and will get to.
Your insights into the background of radio djs and the other kind of payola was great.
Those are some great information that otherwise we generally wouldn't be exposed to.
Advertising money.... yes thats true now that I think about it.
When you say bts had shoulders to stand on, I would say it was youtube and twitter.
Those were the 2 shoulders bts stood on. They were the first korean artists to use both youtube and twitter heavily to promote themselves even before debut.
And yes there are some weirdos in the fandom 0.1 percent.
We call them sasaengs. They stalk bts and follow them on planes to take pics and sell them, like paparazzi but more scary.
Armys have a blacklist of these people and we report them to bighit regularly. They get sued and blacklisted by bighit also.
Also armys have stopped sending flowers and cakes to radio djs. It took us some time... especially since we are not artists and we had to figure it all out through the course of several years.
Yes ARMYS do stream heavily and we do buy a lot. That was our technique we developed through the course of several years of testing how these charts work.
We are playing their game without entering inside the industry.
We are not going to pay radio djs advertising money... but streaming and buying is still ORGANIC. BECAUSE ITS US.
That's our method.
Billboard is messing with us tho. They are changing the charts to lean more and more heavily towards radio. They figured out how we were doing it; Getting no1s without radio play.
RUclips is also trying to stop us.
But you know.. this fandom will keep going. We aren't done yet.
Literally, after that Billboard Magazine interview, where RM defended us when they were asked about fans buying music -- and then they changed to weight radio even more heavily. Recently, they've made free streams count less, too.
We can't say for sure it's only due to BTS and ARMYs, but surely they hated BTS getting #1s over Olivia Rodrigo and other American/industry-favored artists because we bought and streamed the heck out if Butter. They can't control us as an organic fanbase, but they will keep trying to change the rules to negate us.
They call us bots. They call us insane. They call us weirdos. They say we're not real. But they all want ARMY clout/engagement, without giving BTS (or us) the deserved respect.
For your radio billboard point its because the chart is a legacy piece of media.
Weighting radio heavier in modern times is them still trying to preserve how the charts were even created this is why they have done this coupled with BTS rise in digital mediums.
@@Jurnalist_ - I think Billboard weighting radio heavier would be somewhat okay IF radio actually reflects what songs are popular among the public. With how radio works now, it doesn't make sense at all.
In the video, you saw the numbers for Dynamite, which was in 2020. After they changed the rules, the numbers are even more ridiculous.
@@biru-kelabu-0821 I agree but that would mean the destruction of a legacy piece of media that helps prop a lot of artist up.
The numbers I saw don’t make any sense I can’t fathom even larger numbers😂😂
@@Jurnalist_ I get it about legacy media, but the way numbers are counted for radio make no sense. They use estimated numbers of listeners instead of actual listeners. They estimate 1 million people are listening, but are they actually? Is there a way to know? It feels like, basically, making up numbers. Can radios accurately show how many people are listening? Honest question.
On Twitter, this was compared to movies being weighted by how many screens are playing them instead of tickets sold. You can play it on 1,000 screens, but if no one shows up, should it count? Likewise, should it count if no one is actually tuned in to a given station?
I really love when the people who been in industry like u reacts to this videos about radios and etc. Its always good to hear what u would say and gain new information.
Thank you for your time I really appreciate it.
My favorite radio anything that related to BTS was when I stumbled across a video of a talk show that had been mistakenly tweeted about a song request. The main guy decided screw it, and played the song anyways. They then later had a whole segment because of the response and engagement they had gotten from ARMY. The main host was so shocked he went on a deep dive trying to figure out who BTS were before hosting the segment and then defended BTS even to his co-hosts, talking about lyrics, philanthropy, playing multiple of their Korean songs, even lesser known ones, and having an ARMY on a call to answer some questions and properly explain. On top of that, apparently this show had been known for talking shit about artists previously and were used to being attacked by fans and couldn’t believe how positive both BTS and their fans were. (But yes, absolutely there are some crazy fans. I think of every fandom using the 1% rule: 1% of every fandom is toxic, so the bigger the fandom, the more individuals in that 1%.)
Hey 👋 if it’s not too much to ask can I know the name of the video/channel/talk show. I would love to watch the segment 😊
💜😁
Adults passing out at concerts is not the goal, nor the nature of ARMY.
But there are plenty of middle aged male RUclipsrs who have been brought to tears because BTS made them love music again, or gave them hope in their own lives.
That’s wonderful to hear. I hope they continue to spread joy and hope.
Thank you for your insight into how American radio works. I think sometimes there is an assumption that industry people have a bitterness toward BTS when it was really dismissiveness. Still surprising that almost none of these people even checked them out from curiosity. Their loss!
Honestly I think it is both bitterness and dismissiveness.
Or maybe fear and dismissiveness. I think there is so much talent coming out of Korea that the industry is literally afraid to award BTS their way-overdue Grammy for fear it will open the floodgates.
Its a feeling of superiority more than bitterness or fear or anything else.
Despite all these foreign nations having such amazing talent. They all work so hard to come where?
If I am the crown jewel in a successful world tour lets say or in being considered a top International act.
Why would I care about product coming into the market? That product needs my approval to survive so its superiority that breeds disrespect which feeds their apathy and thus makes them blind to the tidal wave of talent currently storming our shores.
The US music market will be international in 20 years if things keep going the way they are. If that happens artist like Taylor swift and Katy Perry and Miley Cyrus will be the last of an era and generation of pop stars in America. No disrespect to them but if they had to compete on a world stage vs international acts with no tricks they wouldn't even break top 100.
Yikes, actually that's heavy disrespect to them, but I don't disagree. You are right on the money.
And the fact that the US music market will be international in 20 (or fewer) years is what makes it so nervous. Yes, it's a superiority complex but it is also fear when you have overseas co.s (like Hybe) raking in millions with almost no help from the western industry. Profit from changing markets is unpredictable, and the US corp.s know that all too well.
Yes, army do stream to help out BTS but personally, I stream their music all day because I FUCKING LOVE THEIR MUSIC and I don’t ever get tired listening to it. That is because BTS’ music TRANSCENDS languages. If you dive deep enough to learn their songs ( not just the superficial aspects of it), you will understand why their music has such an effect on people. And no, I’m not Korean. I don’t speak a Korean word but their music touched me more than any other English song. And no, before BTS, I was never a boy/girl group/band or solo artist die hard fan. I enjoyed several artists, respected their music, bought their albums but I never loved an artist like I love BTS. So yes, I stream their music constantly but if I were honest, streaming to support them is secondary to streaming because of my love for their music.
I understand why you compared streaming to being on steroids and I also understand why we can’t compare musical greats from different generations. Even Suga doesn’t want to be compared to the Beatles. But you have to agree, that every great artist of every era has the advantage of the modernization of that era. Michael Jackson had the advantage that Elvis Presley, Louis Armstrong, or Amadeus Mozart didn’t have. BTS is no less great just because we have streaming technology now. BTS is great because they are BTS. And only true fans who give enough time to understand the many nuances of their music and appreciate their positive characters in this dark world would understand.
Also the creeps that you want us to acknowledge as part of the BTS fandom, are in fact, not recognized as ARMY by the true fans. Because true fans understand the importance of respect. The men of BTS is the best example of that respect, in all their dealings from when they started, to when they became the biggest artists in the world.
Yes, social media helps BTS to be known to every part of the world but any other contemporary artist also have social media. A fool would think this is the reason they are great. But no, the reason they are great and well loved among different nations and continents, different cultures, and different backgrounds, is because their music transforms and they are extremely good people in a very corrupt world.
And one last thing, I remember in your last video you said that RM or Suga should have smacked the person who disrespected them by calling them girls for wearing make up. But that’s just it. BTS would never do that because despite being disrespected, they still chose to rise above and maintain their respect and dignity.
Thank you for reacting. You definitely added more to the table with your viewpoints. It would be great if you get to know them deeply but even if you don’t, that’s fine too. More power to you.
I love all the things you wrote! Thank you 💜.
There have been several polls and surveys and approximately 25% of ARMY is over the age of 40. I am one of them and I and 3 of my fellow ARMY over 50 were 2nd row at one of the Vegas shows in 2022 - we didn't pass out but we were on our feet for the entire 2 1/2+ hour concert and the earlier soundcheck. During soundcheck, we were all singing and dancing so much with them that RM told us to rest and save our energy or we were going to be too worn out for the concert LOL. We weren't. Sang and danced thru the whole concert as well (and I am NOT in the greatest shape 😂) but their energy and passion is contagious and filled the entire Allegiant Stadium. Thanks for your thoughtful reaction to this. Appreciate your insights and opinions. And you are right on something - we stream stream stream because we love them and their music and we can't get in on the radio so we curate our own playlists to hear what WE want to hear, which is BTS - and this from a music lover of many genres and artists - none can hype me up or touch my heart like these 7 young men and if my streams can help get them a little cash for their hard work and one spot higher on a chart which I know pisses the US music industry off to no end, then it is a win win for me all the way. Peace!
Tbh, the army (fan-organized) referendums - which I think you are referring to with surveys, are not exactly accurate and are not equally spread on all platform (different platforms skew differently). The number of people responding are also very low, so thats one of the big doubts. What we know for sure is that the diversity is there
Army is very educated, they will do research and discuss everything related to BTS. Once you brought streaming corruption up, army have been talking about it since 2019-2020. You can watch bts vs spotify from the same channel too
I never love an artist as much as bts before. At first, i started to stan bts because of simply i like them then one day i realized i was fighting against corrupt system in music industry, media, prejudice, racism and xenophobic. Wow i learn a lot how cruel the world is (outside of my bubble ofc) but still manage to be human being because of bts and army. 💜
That’s the bitter sweet beauty in life. Remaining human despite how ugly the world can be
I feel supremely happy i heard Butter on the radio at least 2x daily at a health recovery place i had to stay at for a month last summer. Every time i heard it during our mealtimes i smiled so much.
More life to you firstly.
Second happy to hear they had a song to help get you through.
I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this, it gave me some additional insights I didn't really know or consider before.
Other videos by Boracity I'd love for you to react to are "The Next BTS: Why they fail every time." and "Why most armys don't like kpop", since I think they're interesting.
Glad it was helpful! Will check those out too. Ty for your time.
@@Jurnalist_ Yes those two definitely please. You need to understand that BTS for us has nothing to do with kpop and the reason for it.
also, idk if u can find concert vlog footage of their latest tours online (ptd vegas and la), but just watch that content if ur curious about the demographics and diversity at these shows and ultimately who is listening to and loving bts. u got 15 year olds, 30 yr olds, 75 yr olds, koreans flying out all the way to the US to support, men, women, lil toddler boys dressing up like jimin, disabled armys (haven’t forgotten about sofi 🔪), queer folk, black white hispanic southeast asian european like u name it! i never feel more at home (with a massive group of kind ppl that is just as diverse as the world should be) than at a bts concert. also, you’ll never see most army hating on the fact that we’ve got a subset of the fandom that are teenagers. esp bc the men in our society (and ultimately society then as a whole) love condemning and ridiculing everything that teen girls love, and i’m sorry, we’ve mostly chosen to reject that spirit. how wonderful it is to have teens look up to 7 sincere and passionate artists as role models, like I WISH i had that kind of influence growing up.
I think all bands experience people passing out, to include BTS, when they had general admission in an arena. I was so glad when BTS shifted to floor seating, I always assumed it was to reduce possible injuries 🤔
You’d be surprised the amount of bands that do not get this but it is fairly common. But it’s more so young fans.
It may have been never thought about it helping reduce injury but it’s a good idea.
I like your analyses. As an ARMY I will continue to support them because of their music, their message. BTS’s songs resonate to me in many ways.
27:45 And I remember when WAP released a week (?) before Dynamite released, and wondered if Dynamite would be able to compete with WAP when it does release. But Dynamite debuted at #1 on the Hot 100 two weeks in a row, #2 on third week, and came back to #1 on the fourth week (I think it stayed in the top 3 for weeks after that 🤔). BTS, including Bang PD (CEO), cried because they know how almost impossible it was for them to reach #1 for them (since they did not do payola, heck, they don’t even do it in their own country bc they’re against it), because radio would not really play their songs and Billboard counted radio as 1/3. Dynamite actually did really well, and it was also in a video game such as Fortnite and was picked in year-end lists. I’ve been watching the industry and the charts for years before becoming army, so I am aware of most of these things Including clear channel, but when I hear/learn more over time, the puzzle pieces fit and big picture becomes more clear.
Lol of course every fandom have bad apples, we have our stalkers and delusional fans just as any other fandom. But there are times when ARMY really do the community proud, like no one leaked when V and hobi went on vacation to Hawaii. And listened when Jin asked fans not to go to the enlistment centre, locals and media ppl who went were surprised that fans followed the request.
Thank you for the insights.
I call Jk JK too 😆
i think every army pre-dynamite has been burned pretty bad by radio djs….i used to request and help donate to send gifts to stations and i just saw more and more over time how they cared so little for being open minded and patronized us constantly as a whole. a person can only take so much! i think we took a hard right after the ON era and decided to stop sucking up to radio and focus like hell on physical sales, streams, and concert/merch sales because that’s something that we can control, to an extent. esp full seats at a stadium. like im sorry, try telling us we’re bots when a stadium tour gets sold out and every fcken seat is full !,!,!! this is what made us impossible to ignore…..i commend armys that still interact w radio bc. they are our strongest soldiers but i personally could never do that again lmao.
54:25 😱The horror! The thought of passing out at a BTS concert, what a waste! If that happened to me, I'd be full of self-hatred, lol.
😂😂😂 can’t miss a second.
Yeah I really appreciate your insight and comments! Thank you for being real and not afraid to contradict / correct, but always keeping it respectful and factual. Really interesting.
Ref the passing out, in all the shows I've seen with standing floor, they've urged folks several times to not push. The crowd crush situations can become truly dangerous - so I truly, really, hope that will never happen for BTS.
My pleasure! Also i am learning my position today may change tomorrow if I learn more. I cannot afford to be so rigid that I devalue new information just so I can be correct. That helps no one and leaves me lacking.
I don’t want anyone harmed and I think since BTS isn’t trying to be god like it won’t happen but that could be for the better.
Pass out and miss the concert? No way. I had front row tickets to the ptd vegas show and I enjoyed every moment.
Conclution:
1. The music industry is more screwed than ARMY thinks
2. I as an ARMY will not put a penny in the pockets of those industry vipers, I will make sure it goes straight to my boys pocket
3. ARMY is aware of the radio monopoly and DJs have zero control over the music that is played, which is why they no longer focus on trying to get more spins
4. I am 40 years old and there is actually a census on ARMY and the results indicate that the majority is over 25 years old and with college degrees
5. Yes, there are few ARMY men but that is changing little by little, the last concert in Las Vegas is a sample of that
6. You will never see an ARMY fainting at a concert, simply because no one wants to miss a single second of the show. In fact, I have seen stories about ARMYs who start to feel bad and the person next to them always helps them because both parties are aware of everything that would be lost if the paramedics take you out.
7. It is actually a question, how do you measure the number of people who listen to the radio at a certain time? Because if something like this is possible, ARMY could give it the best rating at those times where DJs have the freedom to play the music they want 😅
Thank you for your honest conversation. It was interesting and educational. I think that BTS and ARMY have a symbiotic relationship of sorts. And because of that we are just going to keep doing what will make them happy, because they make us happy. Pretty simple really. 65 yr old waiting patiently for my first opportunity to go to a BTS concert. And you better believe I won't be fainting - won't want to miss a second!
I hope you get to go to multiple concerts this year.
2:04 Completely unrelated to the topic, but I mentioned on another of your videos that BTS was stunned when they received their first daesang. The first clip on this video is exactly that moment. Look at their shocked faces! Look at Suga and Jungkook, just sitting there with wide-eyed disbelief, while the others are starting to get up to go up on stage.
As artist we work hard to get those moments and when they happen in think time becomes a logical construct and those moments that are minutes turn to hours as you try to register how this could be even when you do the work like BTS. We will see the same reaction for a Grammy if they get get one.
Both BTS & ARMY are more sophisticated now regarding the Grammys. That first Daesang took them totally by surprise. They have so many awards now that there's not enough room in the museum that HYBE dedicates to them to display them, even though the area in which they are displayed is massive. With over 700 awards, you'll even see 5 or 6 casually sitting on recording equipment in a studio. But back to the Grammys, three years in a row they hyped BTS for views but in the third year we got the last laugh when a live stream that the guys held after the award show exceeded Grammy viewership by millions. That's millions more ARMY watching a live than all the ARMY & non-ARMY viewership of the Grammys added together. Would they still like a Grammy? Yeah, but they've learned they don't need one as validation.
Also I hope u know a lot of ARMY are black. I’m black I know who Kodak black is. A lot of us are hip hop and rap listeners u don’t have to preface things with “you might not know who this is” the rap line in BTS literally listen to ppl like Nas, lil TJay, chief keef, lil baby and many more. They love hip hop so much they literally made a song about how much they love it it’s called “hiphop phile” so pls every time black ppl who start reacting to BTS talk about black artost is so funny bc like so many of us ARE black 💀💀💀
Also u gotta go to a concert before ur allowed to say that they have no grown ass ppl passing out. So many thing have happened at their concerts are concerts are safer than they were back when micheal Jackson was on stage so no ambulances but definely ppl passing out wigs flying. Armys are pretty considerate we try not to mob or be violent at concerts but they can still get wild. The atmophere at BTS concerts are INCREDIBLE.. BTS do have plenty of men in their audience. Just search BTS reacting to fanboys they’re always loud asf and make themselves very known. BTS and their impact are comparable to Michael Jackson to me bc of their impact and stage presence no one right now is PERFORMING at BTS level. I don’t mean standing on stage I mean singing dancing at their level of intensity. But honestly I don’t need men being in our fanbase to validate them bc I take women and their interest seriously fr.
That’s good to know but I more so preface you may or may not know them as not everyone is as known as I would like them to be to use as a point in an argument or an example. However I will keep in mind that a preface may
Not be needed in the future. Thank you for the insight. 🫡
Boracity Magazine makes some great content. It also helps explain about BTS and how different they are not only because they are kpop but also because they are not really kpop. Even thought the metrics are not the same the measures are the same to today. So even though the tools they used are advanced but others today are also working towards the same records but they just can't get there. BTS are the first to say that they stand on the shoulders of giants, they are lovers of music, first time Jungkook went to the Grammys and saw Dolly Parton and Miley Cyrus singing Jolene together Jungkook actually cried, cried listening to music that he only ever heard on the radio.
The ARMY is full of people that are very obsessed, but the vast majority of ARMY are fans that care about the music and the actual person that made the music, than to be looking for something from my favorite band member.
They cant do it because they are making artificial music that doesn't resonate with fans like what BTS does with their music.
I think he should have started with BTS Vs Billboard then this video. Some of his comments are still him “thinking” he understands what’s happening Vs a true understanding of the racism, xenophobia, and corruption BTS is up against.
Do you mean the video by Bby Gang Mag? Bc he already did BTS Vs radio from Boracity.
@@dici1396 this video is the reaction to BTS vs radio by boracity.
@@arcollins040thomas8 sorry I meant his BTS Vs Spotify reaction (that just came out on Patreon ) or the video by bby gang bc that’s the only other video I know with that title.
Or he could just watch the "BTS Hardships 2013-2020" by xCeleste if the point is to see some of the racism they had dealt with in america.
@@blueberrycream2471 I second this! XCeleste BTS hardships is a great video (and Intro BTS ARMY is good too).
about the audience bts has in the fandom, i recommend another video from boracity magazine, titled “the truth about crazy fandoms”. it’s not the main topic of the video but a big portion of it covers the part of the people that are in the fandom, and also brings interesting topics i think you’d enjoy
Oh here is a video of V telling the men on the audience to scream ruclips.net/video/f3UXh3h2gNk/видео.html and btw a lot of grandmas attend their concerts women with their babies it looks like a family gathering in their concerts but the videos are mostly on Twitter or tiktok idk if there is anything in RUclips
Fun fact: BTS still to this day chart under indie artists charts because they are under BigHit, a subsidiary label under Hybe and they kept their creative freedom unless other subsidiaries... When they exploded globaly in 2017, many US labels offered to sign them but they accepted only a partial contract first with Columbia related to distribution, and last year they ended it to sign with geffen records under UMG with the same deal, they kept their hands on all promotion, creativity and marketing aspects. The ironic thing is they opened the gates to other kpop groups to sign with US labels (full contract), but they are the only group with just a distribution deal.
Another fun fact: Dynamite was huge the year it was released beating WAP on the charts with just sales and streams, and they stayed at n°1 multiple week until they replaced themselves with the remix they did of "Savage Love" with Jason Derulo.. Maybe you has the feeling it wasn't huge because WAP was everywhere on radio unless Dynamite but it was sold way more.
No my thoughts on huge are more so who is in public playing the music and that’s where BTS has a disconnect in the America market. The streaming is high here so is the effort for radio but I’ve yet to be in a club or bbq or public event and a BTS song is apart of the rotation. Same with professional sporting events. It’s their lack of being included in these moments that I say what I do. The internet is very good at showcasing and amassing a major fan bas but that’s the internet. WAP is played in clubs at shops at house parties there’s a crossover past radio and internet that I think needs to happen to be a big song and thats where I see the vacuum for what BTS is creating. That transition for internet Goldblatt sensations to phenomena that cannot be escaped. Example is Beyoncé’s you can’t break my soul record. I know that song from clubs and the world not internet yet it’s just as big online as in real life that crossover of internet and irl.
@@Jurnalist_ - This is starting to change. I've seen tweets where a BTS song is played during a football or basketball game, either in the arena or on the TV. These are few and far between, but it's a start. As ARMY grows, there will be more ARMY in charge of these things.
Speaking of basketball, Suga attended a Warriors' game in Japan and some of the players were fans of BTS. Watching their interactions was so wholesome.
@@biru-kelabu-0821 yes it’s small today but will grow in the future and I hope it does. There’s so much good music outside of America that I want to hear it be exposed to my American audience.
Doubt that they are the only ones with just a distribution deal - from their time - yes - but as a whole?
HYBE has more artists and while I can not speak for the aquired artists I'd be surprised if TxT, Enhypen, Le Sserafim, NewJeans and &Team had given their rights away like that.
@@ruthfischer7615 As I said BigHit is the only among Hybe's labels that is independant in term of creativity freedom and apart TxT, those are not from BigHit.. But you could be right for some of them.. I know TxT are under UMG but I don't know if others which are pretty new were offered to sign in the US.
As a 52 years old Army mom, I thank you for the reaction and I hope I don't pass out if I ever have the chance to go to a BTS concert. I suffer from chronic pain deceasse and BTS is my medicine💜
Well I hope you never pass out either and I hope the medicine the boss provide turns to a cure for you. More BTS less pain for you is all I can ask for now. Thank you for your time and comment.
@@Jurnalist_ thank you so much🌻, borahae 💜
@@mapremdisha por nada (it’s nothing) it’s literally the least I can do. More like and health and wealth to you and yours.
A real good take on these unspeakable truths in the industry👍🏻
Regarding the fainting thing (I’m not saying that those fans didn’t pass out by just seeing MJ)… but to put in some more perspective, i think you should acknowledge ARMYS FANDOM CULTURE.. ARMY cultivates a culture of respect.. towards BTS and between ARMYS… in concerts, you will see fans organising lines/vehicle traffics even, helping each other to get tickets/seats/merch, gifting other armys merch/albums, passing water to those under the sun, making sure each and everyone is safe… both BTS and the fandom strive for this…in fact their last BUSAN concert organised by the govt in their bid for WORLD EXPO was supposedly be held in an open space to make it like a festival but fans all over the world rallied for it to be transferred to a more secure and safe stadium… since there are lots of security and safety issues regarding the initial venue.. ARMYS look out for other ARMYS.. it’s very rare fan culture actually.. korean fans taking time to find suitable transport and accommodations for international ARMYS.. Fan pages providing infos and safety measures before and during concert, as well concert etiquette… BTS & their mgt seeing the standing floor crowd decided not to forego on their plan to have the makeshift train to go around just to avoid fan from getting squeezed.. These are just few examples on how BTS and ARMY have these mutual desire to care and respect each other… although we have these outliers, but we never acknowledged them as ARMYS.😅
That 1 percent of fans that’s obsessed, toxic and whatever don’t need to be mentioned because they are just that - 1 percent and not the majority. Unfortunately for us army, since we’re so big, that 1 percent is annoyingly loud, and even more of a reason to not justify its existence
Im a grown woman 45 years old that loves BTS but bet your ass I ain't gonna pay serious money to go to the concert of my favorite band just to pass out as soon as I seen them and have to be taken away in an ambulance. Hell no. I really hope no BTS fan never gets to that point. That's something that I would be teased by family and friends for years to come. lol
On another note I do agree with what you're saying about the steroids. Unfortunately the way the system is now set up unless we stream there's no success because they even reduced the impact of album sales on the charts in favor of streams and radio. So while BTS got those number ones before mainly due to pure physical sales now it will be very difficult because they made the new rule after Billboard implied ARMYs were bots and questioned RM about it and he just said we were just following the rules made by Billboard.
It is true BTS has had it easier in term of resources compared to the Beatles, however, they had it harder in other areas where it was easier for the Beatles for example making it despite language barrier, racism and xenophobia. Also, like I mentioned before, since The Beatles, that's a damn long time, and BTS is the only that was able to break some of the records. Countless of other groups lived in the same times as BTS and had access to the same things before BTS, example one direction, yet they didn't break those records.
I do think that BTS has built a brand that would never happen but I would class them as the only ones with the potential to do so in the current musical market.
It’s a great story to tell if it did happen. Real conversation starter. 😂😂😂
I think you get my overall point that everything is on steroids and no one is not using them. So it matters more now how they are utilized and for what purposes and to that point I say BTS is the cleanest major group or musical act to use them since their inception.
Ok but when you mentioned Hanson I totally lost it, I’m one of those people who have been following them since I was 11 years old! You totally made my day :)
😂😂 you are the loyal fan that makes this all really possible.
Hanson was the first physical music I ever owned.
Saving your reaction in my bookmarks, playlists, etc, to show to as many other ARMYs I can.
You're adding important facts and perspectives to the video.
Thank you for taking the time to watch, learn, comment, and put this out for us!
Thanks for sharing!! I really do appreciate that. 🙏🏾😭😭
Thank you. There's always so much more to learn about anything. It was educational to hear your insights and personal experiences.
I guess ARMYs are defensive because not only are the boys working hard but each and every one of us has done something in the effort to helping the guys. Buying has always been something we do. I've never bought albums before BTS. Now I have a physical of every release ever since I became a fan. Because above anything they make, they are most happy when we support their music. Streaming is encouraged and yes, I understand the steroids I guess it's really the only way we as fans can help them since we have no way to help them with radio. Plus we stream because not all of us are able to buy physicals. A lot of the fans don't even own a physical album and that doesn't make any of us less of a fan, we just all have one goal and that's to help them plus streaming isn't work. It's literally listening to music we love. It just sucks that streaming services have put such weird metrics to count our streams. I dunno if bora city talks about it in another video but even filtration on BTS streams are not normal. Like before BTS, if I really liked a song, I would just have it on repeat. Now I learned that you shouldn't actually do that because it won't count your streams accurately because the system deems you as a bot for replaying the song you like ???? Anyways I didn't mean for the comment to get this long but thanks again. I'm glad I watched this reaction.
And we hate industry and "steroids" just as you do. But ARMY wants BTS to succeed and we play the game by the rules while constantly being loud about all the faults of the industry. We hate Spotify and Billboard. Most of ARMY on Twitter has both blocked bcs they screw BTS and write shade article but we still stream. Bcs by boycotting it we will only do bad for BTS. It's not gonna change the system. Btw the embarrassing streaming payments to artists are the reason why ARMY always go forward and buy music (digital or physical), bcs this way money go to artist rather than Spotify or anyone else
Boycotting would change things just like Taylor Swift mentioning she was going to pull her music off streaming and they fixed their tune quickly. Unless we as fans and artist unify and or are willing to take less financial means for a fix in the industry we wont fix anything and will just push the issue down the road for later .
@@Jurnalist_ I guess you are right, but we look out for BTS first and sacrificing their success is not an option for us unless they will take action like Taylor did. Then we will follow. When BTS was coming up first to the international arena fans learned all about the charts and where they need to stream and buy to help BTS success, it was not easy to put them on the map, and now when they r on temporary break we need to keep our game consistent, otherwise BB, Spotify will not think twice abt pushing BTS off the cliff. As the video says BTS do not involve in payola or other shady business. They see amount of money BTS r making and hate they have no benefit of it
Thank you for your insight and commentary, great as always. Brooke Morrison is a big BTS fan and was a radio host I think, and has since been working in the music industry. There's a lot she can't say apparently, but she's gained much info from many industries professionals, including a lot of people at the top. She has a RUclips channel, and just dropped a video called "The real "BEEF" the Western music industry has with K-Pop". You might find her video interesting too
I understand what you're saying about comparing BTS records to artists in the past (i think you originally spoke about this when you saw that BTS broke The Beatles record for the fastest to get 3 number 1 albums in less than 12 months), because we know that things have changed. However, it's not like social media and streaming was invented in 2018 before BTS released Love Yourself Tear...plenty of other people who were in the same "steroids era" could have broker that record first, but they didn't. Also, The Beatles set that record in 1996 with their Anthology album series, not in the 1960's so the system and times had already made a massive shift and The Beatles had already reached legendary status (and I think they were having a bit of a renaissance at that time with their Anthology series airing on TV) so it's not like they were releasing brand knew material.
You are correct and the fact that Drake is not mentioned to have broken this record we speak of and Elvis records first is why I say the nuance of the topic and it’s usage to showcase popularity and success is wrong and why I wish more people had a greater understanding. Before Drake it was Taylor swift. This record has been broken multiple times but the better headline is to say the Beatles.
@Jurnalist It's frustrating that the media can't report these achievements as they are. No where could I find anything about Drake beating this record, and if he did and wasn't given recognition enough for it to come up in a simple Google search, that's a shame.
Thanks to reacting to it, I would also recommend to react to "BTS vs Spotify" from the same creator, I would love to have more of your thoughts on this.
I really like your inside information, it confirms everything I was reading and hearing. You are also wording it in a simple but very direct way and that is very effective.
Happy to help. Thank you for your time and comment.
more video from boracity magazine pls 🙏
maybe bts vs attendance award show OR bts moments for the history books
thankyou~
BTS vs spotify first but ill do more of their videos
Thank you again. I have learned some new things about the music industry from your video.
Thank you for this reactiom and for the input and information you've given throughout the video. Is good to find channels that really care about the content they make! (Also, yes omg Lewis Capaldi is sooo good!) 💜
I appreciate that! I just try and be as honest as I can while speaking on a topic I love. Thank you guys for your time and the comments they are amazing.
Actually bts sells out concerts in minutes and seconds not hours. It's like the hunger games when buying BTS concert tickets. I was lucky enough to actually get a front row seat in there LA and Las Vegas concerts.
BMT(Big man Tings) getting front row in two dope cities during a feeding frenzy.
@Jurnalist exactly lmao. But it's a mind blowing experience tho you get water on ya and the guys take fans phones to record themselves it's pretty amazing. Next concert they have in the future you should go it'll be an experience you will keep forever.
@@JeonJungkook-wr4yr if I had the money and availability I definitely would like to go. Hoping I’m too busy doing my own shows and growing the yt and patreon that I may get to do a n opener for the boys. 🤞🏾
I only listen to the radio when my alarm clock goes off. For 3 weeks the same song was being played every morning at 4:30, and I only noticed this because it was one of my favorite artists. The fact that radio play accounts for the largest chunk of the charts is ridiculous. But that doesn't mean counting streams would be a better system. Fan bases do mass streaming and people sign into multiple accounts. There is no perfect system but if one should count for more it should be the one that gives fans the free choice to listen to what they want.
Sadly there is too much corruption to even know who the true top artists are.
I don't care about the charts as much as I did a few years ago, I was one of those ARMYs who listened all day to a song, but all the effort didn't get them to the top. It took an English song to get them that slot, and that leaves me with some disappointment.
I still support BTS music, but I stream their songs and albums exactly how many times I want to listen to them. Being a fan of theirs I want them to get those accolades, but for me what's more important is that people appreciate them for their music and talents.
If it works. Because the systems? deletes everything they can call "bots". Playing on loop? will get the streams deleted.
"On" MV lost 10s of millions of stream in the first 24 hours (30 million? more?) Butter on Spotify lost at least 40% of streams in the beginning in the US. You will have to look up the true numbers. But you see what I'm getting at?
Everyone loses views but not that massive. Not even with streaming farms that are paid for by some labels.
And they can notice if you use the same IP.
There are actually two numbers. The ones you see on the video and a second that has deleted some false streams (what is that actually? without the add music streams? I'm not entirely sure anymore)
Add to that, ARMY can't pass out because there are pictures to take. Lol
😂😂😂 I get that.
ARMY wouldn't send money in and that's the point. While we will use the system we won't do anything that will embarrass them.
thanks for this vid, really got insight on the radio and music industry in america. I guess I'm just used to big radio hosts in my country being more like journalists and really taking their time to properly interview artists, so the lack of professionalism in BTS radio interviews I've seen in america always shocked me. But i guess it does make sense that if they don't earn or lose anything by doing the bare minimum, thats whats going to be the standard.
I enjoyed your commentary on the radio business. I was one of the Army visiting radio stations in 2017, and we knew it probably wouldn't help much, but decided to try it, just in case. It didn't work, and most of us weren't surprised. But there was talk and publicity about it. And that worked in our favor because BTS actually reaped that publicity.
And, yes... there is a very toxic percentage of Army. They're mostly where the bad publicity comes from.
What surprises me is the amount of commentators that were shocked when J Hope broke LOLLAPALOOZA all time record for the main stage 100,000+ and did it with a debut solo concert mainly in Korean and Americans also knew the words. The audience did not thin in the final quarter and this was a rap rock cross over. May I point out the Beetles did not have to deal with inherent racism. Plus Britain has a shared language and historical ties to the US.
We Are ARMY of BTS.. We don't care what happend outside.. We exist because BTS exists.. We always support BTS because is only one we know... ARMY borahae💜💜💜💜
25:25 an arena? In a couple hours? Bts sells out STADIUMS in MINUTES. It’s so hard to get tickets to their shows, I couldn’t even get a ticket to their live recording of the PTD concert that was playing in theaters next to the actual stadium because they didn’t have enough room for all the fans 😭😭😭
I also laughed at the word arena... sold in hours? We wish, there's no time to think when buying the tickets, you click on what's available praying you were fast enough to get a seat.
I understand what you are saying about the comparison as I was born in 1960. I love BTS as a fan I appreciate their struggle and what they went through, but I also understand what artist like MJ and Stevie went through to get where they were. I love you taking the time to be honest and express your point of view. I have learned in life we just can’t hear something and say this is truth we must taken in all the information before coming to and educated decision. Am someone who has spent more money on BTS then any artist or group in my lifetime them and Rod Stewart, MJ and I never brought merch for the later two just CDs and I went to one of Rod Stewart and MJ’s concert. I’ve done 4 BTS, 2 online and 2 love and got so must BTS merchandise that my daughters asked if they are family because I got their pics up in my sewing room. So I feel am okay to tell you keep sharping our minds and making us think. I also think you would be good in politics, I like young people who are not afraid to speak what they believe.
ty for ths comments like this keep me going bless you.
Thank you for the insight, I learned a lot about music industry from watching this…you are honest and knowledgeable, which is rare to see in bts reactors nowadays.
as a BTS army, I will do everything that I can to support BTS because what they and their music have done to the growth and health of my mental health, happiness, confidence are significant..I want to give them something back as a way to show my gratitude and love for them…most of the time there aren’t much I can do except to buy their physical/digital albums, merchandiser, as well as stream their contents..i do it sincerely because I love their music and them as a group and individuals regardless if it helps them to win some awards or charting, it is a bonus to me..
So, when we talked about the way the industry works yes streams from army can be considered as steroids..but on the other hand, those millions of streams came from the love army have towards the music and bts, which not many artists have should count for something too 😊
Once again, thank you..I enjoyed watching your videos and I always gain new knowledge from you..Borahae 💜
Oh, in an interview suga also said even though it is an honour to be called the Beatles of the 21st century, they prefer to be known as BTS of the 21st century..personally I think it was because they understood that it was different era, and the advantages/disadvantages in the industry are so different that it will be disrespectful to both the Beatles and BTS to be compared to each other..so please know that when you heard people/media compare them to the “legends” it is not their personal opinion as an artist..they remain 7 boys from Korea who loves music 😊
Armys fight so hard for BTS because they know what they've been though to get there. They've caught so much shit just for breathing. From other labels, other artists, then when they went international, xenophobic douchewagons. When info exonerating them comes out, new armys who otherwise wouldn't have heard of them now want to rally for them.
Also armys will rally, but won't hand BTS a fake victory cause they know how they feel about that sort of thing. We'll send the cookies, not the $.
thank you for your insight! honestly it was clear that payola is not that simple as depicted in the video bcs, as you said, it is sloppy, even looking as an outsider. thank you for giving more info into how it works!
there are weirdos and stalkers yes, but we don't consider them part of the fanbase and actively discourage that behavior lol. we can't control everyone, but majority of us are normal i would like to say
i agree they are not on Michael Jackson level yet, maybe someday they will be but most of all i just want them to be happy and idk if being the main character on the planet is the way.. being that famous is tough
It is sad to say this but people TODAY specially young ones listen more and RESPECT more to THE BEATLES than MICHAEL JACKSON,so BTS should be compared to THE BEATLES.
It was really interesting to hear a perspective from someone in the industry. Thank you for the reaction!
No problem!!
Thank you so much for discussing this. I’ve learned a lot. I’m enjoying your content and I appreciate your recognition for the authenticity of ARMY and BTS’s relationship as fans and artists.
A few months ago, radio dj’s wouldn’t play one Charlie puths song ft. jungkook because THEY didn’t like the song even tho the radio station got so many requests to play the song, the radio station has always said that they are here to play music that the people want but this time the djs proved that they let THEIR bias/opinions play a part in the process of choosing the songs to play. I find this a bit upsetting because it goes to show that money & biased opinions play a big part on radio stations. If Charlie’s label had payed the radio station I believe the radio station would have played the song.
Fans might faint at the presence of Bangtan, but not ARMY. There's a difference.
This I understand.
I really appreciate the insight and perspective you brought with this video! I hope the overly defensive ARMY don’t scare you from being honest - you’ve made many valid points. I agree that charting in todays era is easier than in the past, but there are other factors when talking about bts that make it so they are comparable to other legendary artists. That’s what I think, anyway 💜
I agree 1000% that BTS are comparable to many legacy talent. I just wish their was more of a tailored nuance approach in comparing when speaking on billboard and other metrics that are coupled with older talent in modern times.
@@Jurnalist_ Assuming you’re talking about the comparison to the Beatles record in Taylor’s video-I took it as not really comparing BTS to the Beatles themselves and the work it took to make that record in that day and age but the comparison that no one had beat or matched it until BTS. That all the artists and groups that DO have the same benefits (and most with more than BTS) couldn’t/didn’t break it. That THAT is the impressive thing.
Basically, the fact that all of these huge twenty-first century artists didn’t do it before them is the comparison I took.
On another note, do you have a Spotify? I know you have your SoundCloud linked but not a Spotify. I found an account called Jurnalist on it and was wondering if that was you? Was wanting to check it out 💜
Even when it comes to streaming, their streams are filtered ten times more than any other artist. I don't disagree with you at all about things being on steroids these days compared to before technology advanced. I mean, if they didn't filter their streams as much as they do- their numbers would be insane. But we actually have to stream even harder than anyone else because they filter them so hard. I think doing their ON promotions the filter rate got near 50%. At this point, the industries in both the west and their own country are actively working against them. You'll see it the more you learn and get into things. The amount of people over the years, past to the present, who will do absolutely anything to take our seven down it's... I don't even have words for it.
So true
Actually, more like actively working against us, armys. We are the ones messing with them.. if you think about it 😂
they are not standing on anyone's shoulders. so that's an unfair statement
That’s what I was thinking as well, there hasn’t been another Korean artist in BTS position before so what shoulders would they be standing on
BTS is distinctly Korean, playing in a foreign field, there is no shoulders for them here in the US
So the black artist who created the genres they make music in aren't shoulders they stand on?
The artist who sales metrics they surpass and compete against aren't shoulders they stand on?
The Korean based artist from the 90s who paved the way for them to even do the things they do aren't shoulders they stand on? I could continue all day the shoulders they stand on.
Even they have said this statement before me saying it in my video.
its one thing to be fiercely loyal but to be blatantly oblivious to objective facts willfully is just not a good stance to take.
Just because they have attained more doesn't mean they paved the road to that height.
the disregard for what was before just to back the heights they have obtained is criminal in my eyes.
The lack of respect for those before them that gave them the tools to be who they are who they actively give credit to is a wild position to take.
So Selena and ever other foreign artist are just fodder because the boys are Korean?
its a small fraternity of artist to have broken the American shores and been successful and you don't think that BTS stands on their shoulders because of the nation they hail from?
The disrespect is crazy in this thread right now.
Someone called the toxic part of ARMY, the Armpits. I like that name; very evocative.
😂😂😂 not the armpit.
39:31 But it's black and white. At least, that's what your explanation made me understand: corporations buying the radio stations and the radio DJs being monkeys pushing buttons.
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What is perhaps a mistake by the author of the video is talking about ethics and passion for music in these radio people and ignoring the elephants in the closet:
1) Radio xenophobia.
And that even includes white people who speak English and were unlucky enough not to be born in the USA.
2) Companies/Conglomerates own radios and are only interested in making money. And that's why they hire people who are charismatic, but who don't have any background in music or aren't interested in it. Because they are only paid to play on the radio what is on the list given by others.
Nail on the head with this one. You get it completely especially when you account for those artist who are white that speak English but aren’t born in the USA.
After RMs live that he did last years when they Finished their concert in lv I felt like he is so tired from American music award specially after they lost the Grammys and everything he felt hopless he said that they need to work harder and make better music and that other artists are better than them + the military stuff and the break they had to have last year was really tough for them seeing your self working for 10 years working on holidays getting only a week or less for a break each year but still get the same treatment from the industry as someone who debuted for a year or less is so heartbreaking
F*** Mike Dean for real... what a psycho. (yes, part of all was his fault)
I’m going through your entire collection for BTS. Thanks for continuing to have an open mind while offering meaningful commentary. I’m tired of reactors who just go “wow!” with nothing more substantial.
You’re refreshing.
Appreciate this reaction and hear from your perspective 💜
Unfortunately, any system is designed to have loopholes for wealthy to use. Cause they create them 🙈 I love that over the last few years BTS came to a realisation that they do not need the industry, the industry needs them. Because they are the trendsetters, their company HYBE allows them to do anything they want, and it pays off. 🔥 It's the loveliest middle finger ever.
Also, all those stupid interviews stem from a fact that "boy band" is treated like a bunch of brainless guys being told what to do. Plus, automatically, if you don't speak English, you are treated like you are simple 😂 goes for all languages by the way (I speak a few and it happens with every new language speaker Vs native speaker).
Army is the most educated fandom.
I cannot disagree I have to stay on my toes. I may be talking directly to a music marketing expert. you never know with the Army Im finding out.
@@Jurnalist_ thank you for your insights. We have had to really ask questions and do research just to help bts get to where they need to be.
I have personally learnt so much since becoming an army. Not just in regards to the music industry but in stocks and companies and cooperations.. When bts co. went public. The structures within & how things & labels work . Then how things work, between western labels and bts's & some Korean labels work.
Its been a journey. Just just learn so much.
You could also react to bts vs spotify from the same channel.
I love listing to your perspective & input on these bts analysis videos. You almost always add interesting information with your commentary and unbiased opinion. Thank you 👍 I don't know if the person making these videos watches your videos but I she finds it, I'm sure it would really give her more perspective & insight on some things she may have missed or ignorant about. she seems the type who'd appreciate information
really appreciate your insight and commentary! you added a lot of additional context and a respectful perspective. I can tell you are super passionate about this topic just like army is passionate. Of course real recognizes real 😎 while the industry is corrupt as hell and BTS has had to learn to play the game (in the fairest way possible imo) there is something undeniably organic and arguably cosmic that has occurred between BTS and army to get them where they are today.
As a 30 year old bill paying fan who’s been to 6 BTS concerts so far, the energy at one of these shows is unmatched by any living artist today. All walks of life congregate by the thousands to witness something super special. While I’ve never passed out at a show, I can confidently say these moments are some of the best I’ve ever had. 🥲 if you check out more of their live performances you might understand a bit more. There is no one putting on a concert like BTS these days.
I hope you continue to check out more from boracity. There’s also a video essay titled BTS vs KPOP by bby gang mag that is extremely well done.
I will be checking out that baby mag video.
I do agree something special has happened here and that’s what has intrigued me about the group coupled with their music content. This is something I am trying to understand and simulate in my own career.
This and them currently playing the game as clean as they have with the success they have gained I have to respect.
Thank you for your time and you commenting. 🙏🏾
Almost in my 50's and ARMY of 5 years. What attracted me was their personalities. I don't like Kpop and still don't. I just listen to BTS-pop. I like MJ and I see MJ in them. BTS & ARMY went through a lot...you have no clue. We have to fight in Korean music industry and now in US music industry. BTS really had no one but ARMY and their label. The name ARMY really befits us with battle scars and all. You should react to xceleste "BTS hardships" to get a glimpse but that only scratched the surface. If ARMY have to list down every single thing it'll be a novel 😅
Even after knowing all of this, we still play honestly bc that's what BTS are and what BTS taught us. Be honest, stay true to yourself, accept your flaws, love yourself, spread positivity.
Loved your additions to this info. Totally get your points. …& yes, there are a % of toxic weird people in our fandom too. We have to curate our social media to avoid them. The majority of us are full of respect for BTS & their art though. (Don’t think we don’t lose it over the aesthetics though 🤣) While I know how to effectively stream the latest BTS releases to support them in the charts, I especially love being ‘between’ new material cos then I just play whatever BTS music/content I like non stop, from whatever album/era/genres. They have such an extensive & varied discography I am spoiled for choice. Thanks for another great reaction & commentary.
Thank you for the comment and your time. Interfacing with you guys about the boys has been an eye opening experience.
the thing is the bigger the fandom grows toxicity is meant to increase trust me. everyone thinks differently so we cannot expect everyone to be what we would consider right. what im trying to say is that some things are not in our control.
@@jamais_vu3 very true