The 10 Most OVERATED BANDS in MUSIC HISTORY | My Opinion
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I'm not sure Motley Crue are over-rated. I've never met anyone who likes them.
Good one. Wish I'd said that.
Shout at the Devil wasn't terrible but also it wasn't the best Hair Metal album by any stretch of the imagination either
I liked them when I was 16, but that was long ago
If it were the 80s I'd fight you in the parking lot. LOL
I couldn't stand them. They seemed like frauds. My high school, on the other hand, loved the Crue.
Bruce Springsteen. I see the band with three guitarists on stage … and yet I still hear no guitars. Weak sauce.
Agree
Yes! I watched a live DVD and Springsteen was seemingly soloing his ass off while doing his best guitar faces and, and... nothing. It was weird to tell you the truth.
Bruce Springsteen made 1 1/2 good albums; the entire Born To Run album and 1/2 of Born In The USA. The rest is pure dreck.
Crikey, I forgot about him! He had some good songs early on, but that's it. The only thing he truly was a master of, was overstaying his wellcome. He used to be on stage for four hours, didn't he... I can't fathom how people were able to endure that, but they clearly did... totally unfathomable.
Darkness was grunge decades early, lyrically far superior to anything the progs laid down. No fairy dust or roundabouts. Nebraska as mean a statement as a performer has offered this side of Skip James or Johnson himself.
Andy's description of GD Live Dead as "A stoned country band tuning up" and KISS. LMAO. Absolutely Perfect description. 😂
You might go lighter on the jacking
When I discovered KISS in high school, I disliked them immediately and couldn't wrap my head around their fame and massive following. Andy, you nailed it. Gene Simmons was especially a master of marketing. KISS even started selling their own condoms at one point! They are the Rock Kings of "The Brand," but their music is absolute garbage.
I agree with you on The Grateful Dead, although I happen to appreciate a lot of their music, at least during the early days prior to 1980 and the immersion of bands into things like Disco and New Wave. Yet, as good as they were, I believe The Grateful Dead were totally overrated. Probably why Jerry retreated from the spotlight eventually - he was just a regular dude who happened to be a very skilled guitarist and songwriter, who didn't want all the fame and noise out there, he preferred to just be a valued member of a fun rock band.
As usual, you nailed this one Andy!! Cheers, mate ☺
The funny thing about KISS is that they are basically the definition of "sellout", but somehow people still respect them. They are like the most anti-rock rock band.
I actually think they have some great songs. They have a lot of filler, but especially Destroyer and Creatures are IMO pretty good albums.
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To be fair, all BritPop, but Oasis are the worst.
@davidmorgan6896 TRUE...although Pulp perhaps get a redemption due to their song "Common People"
@@comfyft Pulp is so much better than Common People. This is hardcore is so good.
Yeah, I'd swap Floyd for Oasis.
Definitely overrated. They are annoying! I watched an entire concert. One long song. Not much going on.
You could add Coldplay. Massive popular with middle of the road shite.
I'd argue they are equally hated by many people as well, so do they count as being overrated?
I don't like ragging on bands, especially because something I don't like could be someone else's favourite, but yes definitely not keen on Coldplay! Too much like U2 for me, and I'm not really keen on U2 but fair play to people who are. They're Marmite bands, Kiss, Mötley Crüe and G'n'R are also Marmite
Rock? 😂😂😂
Same with Radio Head, pseudo intellectual boring nonsense.
Great band! Consistently great!
Marillion?!?!?! Say what you want about their music (I think it’s great), but it’s literally not possible for a band that has to crowdfund its albums to be considered “over-rated”.
The only way you could ever even fathom that Marillion are overrated are if you are either Mick Pointer or someone from IQ. Otherwise it's a very strange take. Marillion are underground heroes in any line-up.
Marillion is 3rate Genesis. Same with Gentle Giant, which meens they were good bands. We never speak about the hundreds and hundreds of bands who strived so hard to make it and never made it. So 3rate is not as derrogative as it may sound. It is just not the top.
@@gillan5They were almost a first rate Genesis when fish was in the Band
@@aminmalik4086 They were always way beyond - like Genesis done right! :)
The Fish albums are all classics. And Pete treweves is a phenomenal bass player.
I agreed with everything except for Pink Floyd.
Me too - exactly
And Queen... But I understand the sentiment. They might be considered to be the biggest band in history by the mainstream, which would kinda sorta make them overrated.
Even though I’m a big pink Floyd fan I agree with every word you said about them
if syd had continued, floyd would probably end up sounding like the hollies.
@@carlosgaspar8447 I've always thought, Abba on drugs would sound like the happy child of PF.......
Spot on with the Foo Fighters. The definition of safe, parental approved rock.
I have always felt the band seemed cooler than the music they made.
The Vaccinated Only tour . Never forget never forgive . Flu Pfizers
They are a singles band, nothing more.
Dave Grohl is the Kim Kardashian of rock -- famous for being famous.
Colour and shape is a top to bottom really good album, other than that I’d agree that they are a singles band.
Q: What does a Dead Head say when he runs out of drugs?
A: "Holy sh*t! This music really sucks!"
😂😂😂😂😂
😀
The Grateful Deaf?
I love the dead, drugs or not, warts and all, haha
The way I heard it was the guy asks "where's all that racquet coming from?"
I thought that the Rolling Stones would be n°1. I mean, they were (self-)declared in 1970 as "the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world", simply because the Beatles had broken up, and 54 years later they're still billed like that . Yet they've been playing more or less the same songs on stage for decades and the most famous thing they've released since then is their logo. They flood the market with countless approximate live albums with nearly the same setlists to compensate for the disappointment caused by each release of a new studio album. The poverty of their production has been excused for 50 years just because they are the Roling Stones, meant to be "the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world". Which in my opinion they never were, not even in 1970.
Otherwise you talk about the Grateful Dead comparing them to other groups, but I think their main "competitor" was the Allman Brothers Band, even if I believe they were on good terms. The ABB didn't produce only great albums and had down periods, but when they were in good form they were inaccessible on stage, regardless of line-up and even in their later years. They never considered themselves a jam band, but their ability to improvise worked wonders. Moreover, it's the only band among which 4 members have been ranked among the 100 greatest guitarists of all time by Rolling Stone Magazine.
Thick as
Rocket Girl (G'n'R') was written about Barbie Von Grief, who spent weeks teaching Axl his dance, his one move. Barbie lived in this building for five years, early 2000s, and she and I get along. Barbie is a singularly remarkable woman.
G N' R are the most overrated band of all time. It's 2024 and they are still touring Appetite for Destruction, almost as if they only have one album.
Use your Illusions 1 and 2 is fn great.
I agree. Except that Slash is a great guitar player.
I’d almost agree, but Appetite is one of the greatest hard rock albums of the 80’s. It really changed the scene and snd the songs are punky and rock. Plus they’re still touring off those songs.
@@frankfurter63 Absolutely. November Rain is their Stairway. They both kick in with their Brilliant solos but the payoff is too late.
I can't agree that Guns& are the most overrated. Top five most overrated for sure, but not number one.
Given Marillion were never on the radar of the general population, kind of hard to say they are overrated. They are a band that got better with every record Fish recorded and became a different band with Hogarth.
Ur absolutely right... Their appearance on TOPT confirms their outsider status
yep , never heard of them
IN 1983/4 they were literally one of the very biggest bands in Europe. I'm an American with a mother from Wales. She and my dad visited UK in 1984 and said Marillion t-shirts, posters and such were EVERYWHERE. My mother brought me back a t-shirt, which was impossible to find in the states in that time. They were absolutely huge.
@@junkersish I never heard of them, in Australia. What decade?
Very concise summary, mate 👍 And yes, Fish and H make for a really huge difference. Love to hear Steve and Mark occasionally still chasing each other in what I consider the band's hallmark lead and solo lines. If you take songwriting and storytelling into account, this ranking might have taken a different turn. Fish and Roger Waters always did great lyrics IMHO, irrespective of any political statements in the latter case.
I think Obscured By Clouds is better than that. The soundtrack for 'More' has its moments too.
I think Obscured by Clouds is an excellent album and prefer it over most of Floyds output.
It's the one album I have consistently listened to over the years. It's a little lass majestic than some of their more famous albums, but I like it!
Obscured is a Top 5 Floyd album for me. One of Richard Wright's best for sure. And the More album has many beautiful songs like Cirrus Minor.
@@bpkelleyliveproductions Pity Floyd didn’t use Rick as a vocalist later on. He was always my favourite vocalist from the group.
@@wongnaichungrd I especially love when Rick and David sung on the same songs together. Their voices were very complimentary.
I used to listen to Queen a lot. For some reason, I stopped listening decades ago and don't miss them.
I like Queen up until they started playing all their songs (mostly the same dozen or so) too much on tv and radio about fifteen years ago. I also suspect if Freddie was straight, there wouldn't be such a media love in with them now.
@@TibetanFox68 ''What tangled webs we weave when first...''
At least they are not rap
The same
Im sure Queen wont lose sleep
To be fair, I think Queen was pretty innovative and experimental combining hard rock with influences from opera, music theater, ragtime, disco, folk etc. The way they orchestrated their music in the studio, mimicked instruments like woodwinds with the guitar or acapella... I think they were more progressive and certainly more unique than most prog-by-numbers bands of the 80's.
I agree, but I still think they’re overrated. Queen has become one of those bands where the reputation has become so outrageously huge that *any* band would be unable to match it. They were, imo, fantastic. But, the way people talk about them is ridiculous.
Queen did produce five good songs, which is more the I produced.
@@6li8storm40 I agree also . They have become this pop culture greatest band of all time . People constantly say Freddie was the best singer ever in rock . When singers like Rob Halford , Geoff Tate were far more talented than him . Queen was a good band . no doubt . But not to the level they have been placed by critics , and that movie that soared them to iconic status with new fans , as this greatest rock band ever .
They're not fit to shine the shoes of prog band YES or Rush
They have a drummer who can’t drum, a guitarist who doesn’t know how to rock, a competent bassist who quit years ago, and a front man with a good voice but zero stagecraft. Way overrated in my opinion.
Queen as an overated ROCK band? Okay, I can see that. But as an overated BAND? Nah. Imaginative, unique and versatile as any great band. Chemistry too.
Justin Panariello did a discography overview of Queen from their debut up through 'The Game'. The takeaway was that they're not as good a rock band as people think they are (they do seem to have had an intense following in the UK for their live shows), although Freddie Mercury was hands down one of the greatest rock singers ever.
@@yes_headReally? He couldn't sing the blues. Their first and last great album is Sheer Heart Attack 1974. Lost interest after Opera. Period.
In the music industry, “good” bands are the ones that can influence societal framework. Most of these bands are no better than any other bands, but pop music is a psyop so these are the bands we get.
Idiotic having Queen, They were and are one of the best ever.
@@heimomoilanen9654 Freddie could sing any style of music, that is why he is the best.
I liked Queen alot …when I was in grade 6. I thought ‘we are the Champions’ was ‘real rock’! :).
Then I grew up and quickly moved on to alot of rock and metal I like better - and still do in my 50’s.
There was a brief second to look at them again when Waynes World came out and the stoners in the car with Mike Myers all banged their heads in unison to Bohemian Rhapsody. But I quickly lost interest again. Then Freddie got Aids and passed away, and they had another brief renaissance. I moved on. Then recently, they got a movie made of their careers.
Ugh!!
I wish all bands got this kind of media exposure (excluding the AIDS thing of course). If the mass media pushes you - you will get big. Simple as that.
Agreed!
Reworded- "I used to think queen were 'proper' music for people with discerning taste, then I realized they were music for the common peasants." In other words you're a snob.
Have you listened to every album? I mean Queen I and II have more great songs than most bands release throughout their whole life cycle.
queen have great stage presence.
@@RB-oc7ti Through Queen's whole career they were hated by the press and the mass media. Queen never fitted in any of their boxes.
Especially Freddie Mercury.
Based on the warning and the intro….you got an immediate thumbs up and a subscription!!!! Finally someone with an independent thought and opinion and not looking to appease the idiots of the world. Thank you I’m in!
I agree completely with you on Foo Fighters. In my opinion they’re the musical equivalent of watching paint dry.
No variation in their music - in my opinion.
@@ronaldelfleet3123 agreed, but not only that, it’s just boring to begin with. So it’s a whole lot of the same boring sound.
Zero range.
@@allthingsclassicrock Very well put indeed !
Too shouty for me
To sum up:
10. You only like them cause he's dead.
9. You only like them cause you're stoned.
8. You only like them cause he was in a better band.
7. You only like them cause of the clothes and makeup.
6. You only like them cause they take drugs.
5. You only like them cause of one album.
4. You only like them cause a critic said you should.
3. You only like them cause you haven't heard my band.
2. You only like them cause you've only heard the singles.
1. You only like them cause of one guy who wasn't in it for very long.
Hilarious. You should probably do this with some other lists.
@@user-dn8cp9wg4x Thanks!
You missed "You liked them cause you were 12".
"I should have made it, not THOSE guys! I make REAL music man! ME! "
@RandyHartle Thanks!
Consider this about the Grateful Dead: your perspective is skewed towards the early days when they didn’t turn you on. They started as a psychedelic party band with a mixed bag of talent in the ‘60s, then, blues, Americana, , jazz fusion, then rock/pop, all owing to various influences that stayed with him… and turn them into arguably the most innovative and technically sophisticated bands in terms of composition and improvisation. I won’t write a Wikipedia entry here, but just keep it in mind. And assuming you’re not into straightahead, rock and improvisation, maybe listen to some of the tunes from Blues for Allah tracks like Help on the Way > Slipknot… or find a dead head, who you know and who knows you to recommend some of the best live shows you might relate to. Band was essentially live and studio work was secondary to them.
"and turn them into arguably the most innovative and technically sophisticated bands in terms of composition and improvisation." I see Deadheads try to get away with this line. It's not even ballpark. Just a big ole bag of "nope".
@@colinburroughs9871 We could argue our lives away on this! Just know I’m a music head (probably like you) and not a Deadhead or exclusive jamband type.
@@BobSperber cheers
I’ve sampled Grateful Dead tracks from throughout their history. I forced myself to sit through a couple of long sessions listening to live recordings. Searching for something good there. I’m not denying the fact that they created a huge following, and that people love the community and the dancing at the shows, etc. But they always remained a sloppy, not very good band.
My then-girlfriend and I were at Reading Festival in 1982 for the last day, for MSG (Michael Schenker Group). Marillion were on in mid-afternoon. All around us (we were skinny and got near the front) was inexplicable hysteria. Fish looked good in an Art School sort of way, but the music sounded underwhelming. They got three or four encores, and my g/f elbowed me to stop my "Enough!" comments, which she feared would endanger us. 😄 My sister later bought Script for a Jester's Tear, which sounded good, but still didn't 'explain' the extreme fandom we'd witnessed.
MSG, that’s a blast from the past :)
Remember seeing them back in the early 80s when Cozy Powell was on drums. Very enjoyable gig!
@@jamesaston410: Yes, great band! We saw them again in Bristol a few months later. Where did you see them?
@@BlueBlazer47 it was a while ago but it was either Hammersmith Odeon or the Ipswich Gaumont, definitely one of those. Saw a lot of bands at the Gaumont as it was just up the road from me (Cambridge).
Remember seeing the Ian Gillan band and The Scorpions there, met them back stage and got their autographs on my program :)
Best memory was seeing the Pretenders, they were brilliant, hung out back stage and got Chrissie Hynde’s autograph and she kissed me, smacker on the lips :)
Did not brush my teeth for a day or two afterwards, lol!
@@jamesaston410: That's brilliant! Snogged by Chrissie Hynde! Someone told me she's 5'11" or something, so you must be tall.😀
I enjoyed this one. I would have included U2 on my list.
I actually like early U2 and saw them live, playing with Big Audio Dynamite and Public Enemy back in the '80's. Great concert! But I have to agree; I thought they'd be on this list.
I would have replaced Pink Floyd with U2...
U2 we’re good until No Line on the Horizon. I haven’t enjoyed that cd or anything after.
They were done after Achtung Baby. Then Bono became the self-absorbed spokesperson for every global and made up humanitarian cause imaginable.
They've had a lot of decent songs, but it's everything that goes with them, all the media hype, that's the problem.
I totally agree about Foo fighters. Elevator music.
If I get on an elevator and it’s playing nonstop Foo Fighters, I know it’s final destination is hell.
They suck. I laughed when I heard Paul McCartney was hanging out with him to gain some inspiration
Don’t fucking get that band and I never will.
The vac-cine passport band! How very rock'n'roll was that! Their drummer even died from it.
I don't like the 2000s radio rock sound of theirs, but "Virginia Moon" and "Statues" are great songs imo.
I agree with all picks except for MARILLION . . . . . . . . . (& Pink Floyd).
The reasons Andy listed for himself not liking Marillion are quite weak & obviously just sounds like a chip on his shoulder with them instead of substantial reasons like the ones he gave for the others.
The longest winded reason he gives for not liking Marillion / calling them 'over-rated' is a certain type of fan that they may have (which oh - so many - bands- clearly - have) ("the nerdy type but not into the Cure...") Well that is one (1) type of fan of so many types that oh-so-many bands have. Therefore not an excuse to call them lame or over-rated is it.
The 2nd longest winded reason he gives is that they sound like Genesis but not Genesis. Well 1st of all this argument comes up with 90% of all bands. "You'd like them, they're kinda like 'the beatles' meet(s) radiohead." Marillion were said to have sounded like Genesis back in the 'Fish' days constantly for 2 reasons;
(i) Lead singer 'Fish''s voice sounds like Phil Collins. That is the biggest one for simple minds that can't get past such.
And (ii), with that, they are a progressive rock band that has something called a keyboardist in the band.
As for Marillion becoming "dad rock" when Steve Hogarth joined (Januaray 1989)... their prog songs have become longer, much more involved, more progressive, HEAVIER & far deeper. Just the opposite of dad rock. Where TWIN PEAKS (probably the best television show ever) had almost every genre` or style to it, Marillion encompass more genre's than most any band out today, Certainly the most for a 'prog band'.
Some of the styles they have touched upon are:
Prog, Blues, Celtic, Pop, Jazz, indie, Country, New Wave, Hard rock, Sexy/seductive, endearing Love songs, Folk, Christmas, Singer-songwriter, deeply dramatic, Sci-Fi, Political, Comedy, Stalker, Irish-rebel, Trance, spoken word poetry, James Bond sound, Morbidly sad, Symphonic rock (like floyd) & Metal.
Hardly "became a dad rock" band.
Marillion have also helped shape the music world today. They are listed even in wikipedia as the starters of "crowd-funding". (They came up with "KickStarter" more than a DECADE before 'Kickstarter'!)
They became their own record company before such was anywhere near popular and this thing called the "inter-net"(?) was just beginning.
Marillion are in the Guinness Book of World Records a bunch of times.
They are also the 1st (only?) band to ever have their Tour funded mainly by the fans in advance.
They are the 1st (& only?) band ever to have their album recording paid for in advance by their fans (paying for the album in advance).
Marillion were the 1st big band to offer their new album for FREE download. Coldplay did it AFTER Marillion... ungh.
Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater said of Marillion's Pete Trewavas "is the most melodic bass player I have ever heard, and I have played with greats like Tony Levin & John Myung! It was like playing with Paul McCartney & Chris Squire!”
Marillion's Guitarist Steve Rothery has been called on numerous occasions, also by "Kerrang" magazine, "The best guitarist this side of the Atlantic next to David Gilmour."
Marillion are an English band that wrote a song FOR all of Ireland. And wrote a song for all of Gaza. And wrote a song for all of Montreal.
Marillion were asked by RUSH to open for them. Twice.
Marillion's keyboardist Mark Kelley has run numerous marathons and was asked to be a speaker at TED-talk.
Marillion's drummer Ian Mosley was picked to be the drummer for Steve Hackett's solo album. Twice.
Marillion actually have songs about Historical people that we never heard of but should have. A lot of we thinkers have wanted to do such or to know a band that did such. (Check out "Out of this world" & "Ocean cloud").
Every time I introduce people to Marillion they say something to the effect of, "Why haven't I heard of this band before!!" (Which is exactly what I said in 1993). Sounds exactly like under-rated instead of over-rated.
And complaining that they had a hit with their song, "Kayleigh"? With Marillion fans and smarter Music fans you're going to need far more substance instead of whining because you're just not that into a band and others are.
Well said Sir or Madam. If I get to meet you one day and shake your hand it will be an honour to salute what this band means to so many of us
Still got the Script programme signed by them. Listened back and can see some of the crit now.
Mr Dick was a bit absorbed and do orang come across that well
now.
I think Marillion's got an even bigger cult following than Pink Floyd's. At least in intensity. There was something in that music... or the lyrics, I just can't fathom it out.
There was a rivalry between McCartney and Brian Wilson. A big problem with their catalog after that was Wilson's struggle with mental illness and addiction.
A big problem with Beatles' catalog is that Paul is dead
23:50 I think you can partially blame The Beatles themselves for that comparison. They were constantly praising The Beach Boys, and listing them as a huge influence on their music, etc, etc.
True McCartney especially was a huge fan of The Beach Boys.
Yeah, I always thought Pet Sounds was silly. Same with The Beatles, White album.
I'm a huge music fan and play too. I never liked the Beatles and I really do try!
It was mostly a publicity stunt. The feud between the best America and Britain had to offer.
@@clintstryder1131You don't hear anything special going on with the vocals. Nothing strikes you about the melodies and songwriting?
Radiohead on my list not due to anything about the band, just that some superfans seem to think of them as history-altering geniuses in a way that I can't call anything but overrating.
Radiohead is also on my list of 10 best bands of all time. Not overrated, but it is a gloomy sound that is not for everyone.
Yeah, Radiohead for sure. Of course, the last time I wrote that in a comment section, I get the crazies on me... I mean Rock was dead before they even made an album... They're fine, but rather mid with bright moments.
I think Radiohead are the most impressive band to have ever done it. They are constantly reinventing themselves. Mainstream rock starts to copy them and they’ve already move on.
The latest The Smile album, which is basically a Radiohead album under a different name has been such a breath of fresh air.
I find Thom York's singing intolerable, his politics (which wouldn't matter if I hadn't ran into them) intolerable and the band kind of derivative. Running average prog tropes over drum & bass isn't a bad idea, but I'm not blown away or anything. They'd make my list. Frankly, this list features a few more that really get under my skin too- there's some shared prerogatives here.
@@colinburroughs9871 ooh my first Radiohead is Prague post
Love your video! I found you to be the first person who feels the same as I do about Pink Floyd. Also Steve Gadd (I feel) is better Than Buddy Rich. Just curious about how you feel about early Bob Seger and the Allman Brothers Band?
I saw Bob Seger around 1976 when I was 16, and didn't really know what they were about....totally blew me away, what a great band. The Allman Brothers Band I have always loved, Live at the Fillmore East is an iconic album (to me!)
@@dennisreffner Whipping Post is a superb Allman Brothers song.
Zappa did a great cover of that song too
In 1979 I was a 15 year old Yes nut and I'd just bought my first decent stereo cassette deck. I'm listening to the radio looking for things to record and I came across a couple of sessions on Radio Piccadilly. One wa The Salford Jets who passed me by but I also heard She's Lost Control by Joy Division and in just a few minutes my life was changed, I'd heard the Yes of punk. From that moment on I was an indie kid. It was a very special moment for me but I'm still a little amazed just how that story unfolded. You can't underestimate the vision of Martin Hannet on this story as Joy Division the band didn't sound like that. I was lucky enough to see them at The Factory, a hometown gig and of course by then they were playing their live version of their recorded sound but that was the start of me seeing every and any live indie/punk/post punk that came through Manchester so they really changed my life. Wire and The Fall were the bands that really stayed the course from that scene. Where do the Fall stand on this list?
I agree on every single one on this list except Marillion, a band too few like to be overrated. And I think Nirvana should have the top spot.
My thoughts exactly. Could not agree more.
That's what we all thought in the 90s!! They tried shoving this down our throats, but now they get to write the history books..
Replace Pink Floyd with Nirvana and I have no real issue with the list.
I feel ya on this one. You make a good point.
Ya never saw nirvana live right before they broke big.
Saw them three times before they broke huge. The whole place was on fire with buzz all over your body. It was over the top thst little heroin addict could channel so much energy. It felt like the roof was going to blow off. There were no cell phones.
It was wild. That dude 😅
could scream that guttural roar beyond what’s human.
It was an event that was mind blowing. It was like witnessing a live birth, a snuff film, atomic war in three minute, Christ raising from the dead and getting his head blown off then walking off unusually alive. Usually. It was a what did I just see. We’d drive five hours to see them. It’s was heroic and dangerous. Like seeing Guns N’ Roses 87-88. They didn’t like each other but they had an insane intensity… it’s called you had to be there live in person to get what was going on.
Normally people would include U2, Creed, Nickelback, and Greenday when talking about overrated bands. I'm now curious what your thoughts on them would be.
Green Day. Good point. I did/do consider listening to them more ... maybe even purchase an album. But, I was shocked when they got in the Rock Hall. Already?!
@@user-mu9cw8xe4r
Strangely enough, I don't think any of them are overrated, given how many people flat out hate them. I just find it interesting that Andy Edwards is the only one I've seen who didn't include them in his list.
As for me, I think Ghost is overrated. No hate against them. Aside from one song, nothing interesting grabs my attention.
who tf is creed or nickleback
U2, maybe. Creed and Nickelback aren't rated highly to begin with.
@@user-mu9cw8xe4r I wouldn't be too shocked about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it's a joke now. What's in there despite other great bands which have been left out gives that place no credibility anymore, and that's been a while.
Great disclaimer lmao. Again, you’ve got courage to make these videos, especially with Americans watching (Americans can be more direct and less “proper” than the English😂😂😂). I agree with virtually every band you mentioned. I grew up with the Dead and New Order was my favorite band as a kid growing up in the U.S., and, yes, a case can be made that the Dead is the most overrated band of its size and following over the past 60 years. Joy Division gets too much credit and NO don’t get enough. I introduced all of my friends in the U.S. to NO. They’d never heard of them at the time. Much of your commentary is spot-on. You make a good case for all 10 bands. Great video.
Btw, I fucking hate Kiss and Foo Fighters. Some good songs no question by the former, and nothing but “Everlong” by the latter.
I listened to Pet Sounds for the first time last year, and was very disappointed. Musically, I have no big problem with it, but lyrically it is (by and large) adolescent angsty treacle. YMMV, of course, and if you love it, more power to you. Of the other bands discussed, the only ones I have any opinion on are the Dead and Pink Floyd. Someone has already made the "what did the dead head say when he got off drugs" joke, and I agree with it, and I've been on both sides of that joke. There's a LOT of dross to wade through for the occasional nugget. Pink Floyd, on the other hand, I like very much throughout their career, from Piper At the Gates of Dawn through to the end. Again, YMMV.
I think Queen having fans aged 5-85 makes them pretty special. Great in the studio and even better live. What more can you ask for?
Queen is the only group my 80yo mother can tolerate anymore. Queen or Xmas music or nothing.
QUEEN SUCKS i can listen to them in strict moderation. That's not a qualifcation for upper tier.
The Beatles also have fans aged 5-85...good company.
When Queen is great they'r near the greatest. The problem with them is that every album has filler. Some have a very significant amount of it too. I can't think of a great band that produced more filler than them. Queen was a band that all members were participating song writers. This meant everyone was fighting for credit. The fallout from that is that Brian May for example at times found songs on an album that were less interesting than some of the others. Just using Brian as an example - could have been any of the members, because they all had duds. Everyone fighting for their cut, means equal share - even if the quality is not equal share
They have probably five songs. Very good songs, but that’s about it.
I’m American and was in love with “Misplaced Childhood” when I was a teenager. I thought they had a major Pink Floyd influence, a great vocalist in Fish and many of the songs had emotional resonance.
The concept of The Wall, the voice and keyboards of Genesis (Gabriel & Banks). Not bad, but not great. My opinion.
I think Marillion are an excellent band. I think they are the opposite of overrated- they have always been considered deeply unfashionable and as a PG Genesis/Floyd hybrid clone and the only people who tend to rave about them are the small cult of the neo prog loving IT guys that Andy likes to talk about and middle aged Scottish blokes who worship Fish.
Marillion are hardly hyped in the mainstream or even by self-styled ‘prog connoisseurs’ so I don’t agree with this idea of them being overrated at all.
You mean major Genesis influence Fish was basically a Gabriel knock off.
You know how everyone says without the Beatles there'd never have been any other rock band? Without Marillion, there'd never have been any other neo-prog band.
IQ, Pallas, Pendragon and co. would have remained unknown and Andy would have remained the resident drummer at the Boilermaker's Club.
@@jimmycampbell78 clearly, they're rated here among prog fans, but I'm with Andy, the reaction people should have had was akin to Beavis and Butthead scowling at a lame music video. It's very light in the loafers type music.
24:20 FINALLY someone who tells it like it is !!! 🙏🙏🙏 I'm so grateful (and not dead yet) for you to say this. I'm totally aware that Sir McCartney himself worships this album, how it inspired him for Sgt. Pepper's (orchestration, use of old instruments etc.) and I am aware of how the PRODUCTION and arrangements on this album were a work of art and how much effort Brian Wilson put into it BUT... To me, a great album needs something more than this, there are some good and original songs on this but a great album needs original musical ideas and inspiring lyrics... Things that I certainly did hear on Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's... but only partly on Pet Sounds, at least not to the level of all the praise this album as had throughout the years. So yes, this is a very good exemple of what OVERRATED can mean when it comes to an album and the same goes for the band. And I do agree with you on the fact that they seemed way more relevent as a surf music band... But of course this is a matter of taste... I had already expressed my feelings about Pet Sounds on an Amazon column about 15 years ago and received a great deal of insults for having dared to tell my true opinion on this "sacred cow" of an album.😅
Anyway, a big THANK YOU for telling this. 🙏🤝👍 I used to think I was one of the very few "mad men" out there thinking that Pet Sounds didn't deserve all the praise it had had throughout the years.
My list (before I watch the video): The Who, Motley Crew, Rush, Journey, Foo Fighters, Ed Sheeran/Taylor Swift (same person), Greatful Dead, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Rage With The Machine.
The Who, Rush, Early Journey, EArly U2 all have great songs. You are really comparing Ed Sheeran Taylor Swift to those bands? What are you smoking!
@@ricomajestic not comparing at all, just all overrated.
Love the disclaimer at the beginning.
He should be banished off RUclips for putting The Beach Boys in there. The only great American band.
That was super fun. Have you done Top 10 Most Toxic Fan Bases yet? That'd be a laff.
i have but haven't filmed it yet but you can have a peak
1 Pink Floyd
2 Pink Floyd
3 Pink Floyd
4 Pink Floyd
5 Pink Floyd
6 Pink Floyd
7 Pink Floyd
8 Pink Floyd
9 Pink Floyd
10 Joy Division
Gasp! My favourites, ya Nazi!
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Oasis , Tool... read any comments on anything Tool...any emo metal band as well.
@@dewdew34 Malmsteen fans aren't half humourless either, to put it that way...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer that's cold blooded, bro.
Imagine being an obscure unsuccessful musician calling successful bands "overrated" on YT.
Most music critics are "obscure unsuccessful musicians".
Agree about Pink Floyd. The Dark Side of the Moon is my favourite rock album of all time which made a huge impression on me when I first heard it aged 10 in 1980 and I love both Wish You Here and Animals. I'm not a fan of the Wall (though Comfortable Numb is awesome) and none of the albums between Syd Barrett leaving and DSOTM in 1973 do it for me. I don't like either of the two albums after the acrimonious split with Waters either. A friend of mine saw them at the Earls Court Pulse tour in '94 and said they were still brilliant live though so wished I'g gone to that.
You left Echoes out of the classic period. I like The Wall, but agree it's the far and away the weakest of those 5. However, even if you leave it out, and everything before and after, that's a run of 4 straight albums that are absolutely sublime, something only a perhaps literal handful of greatest rock bands could claim.
Led Zeppelin crossed with Chas and Dave. I laughed so much I thought I was going to have sheer heart attack.
Awesome list, very spot on. I think it boils down to 4 categories:
Inconsistency:
Their bright moments overshadow their inconsistent discography (Queen, Pink Floyd, GNR, Beach Boys)
Style Over Content:
The image overshadows the music (Kiss and Motley Crue)
Lack of ambition:
The band doesn't push boundaries their contemporaries already surpassed or at least tried to (Foo Fighters, Marillion)
Overemphasized context:
Bands being in the right place at the right time get mistaken for being important for the evolution of the genre. Having your lead singer dying definitely adds to the "being important"-trait (Joy Division, Greatful Dead)
Nice breakdown. I agree.
I wouldn’t necessarily make the same choices, but I get where he’s coming from in these.
I actually *love* Queen, but I agree that the “Freddie Mercury is a god and Queen were an unsurpassed phenomenon” stuff gets out of hand.
I don’t entirely agree about Pink Floyd, but I do think they’ve got some not-so-great stuff out there.
I think even if you make the Spaghetti Incident, if you've made Appetite for Destruction then you are a great band. There is enough good stuff on Lieslieslies and Use your Illusions to show some consistency.
The UK didn't get given the build up and hype for Kiss and Motley Crue, so just judged them by therir music, which is clearly not all that.
@@worldofparker Yes Motley Crue was/is a US based hype thing. I didn't understand that until lately. They are HUGE there.
Pink Floyd, Cream and Queen. Anyone naming these clearly uneducated. Regardless of opinions they are not overrated. Annoying accent
Great video. RUclips needs more like this. Fun thought provoking starts a conversation. Promotes an exchange of information. Keeps a unique time of creativity relevant.
Great video, made me grin. I think you are way off the point with Queen though. May and Mercury were extremely talented, as their 70's albums attest. In my opinion, more creative and original than most of the bands you rate them against. Went a bit pear shaped in the 80's though, until the last two albums. We don't care about the videos, the image, Freddie's stage antics, big stadium appeal - just the music.
In my teens, I had a close, dead head english friend who had lived in LA for a while. However high we were, when he put GD on - I would turn it off. Their pieces aren't "songs". They are what happens before you have an idea for a song.
I guess you better tell the songwriters Hall of Fame they better pull them out
@@joefilter2923 Sure, because Halls of Fame organisations mean art is real, right? I mean, Timbaland is in there.
@@Dr-Curious The simple fact is that you have not listened!
open your mind, open your mind
Think think think think think think don’t think think think don’t think think think don’t think
@@joefilter2923 Acid.
@@Dr-Curious- I don’t know much about Timbaland, but I know Justin Timberlake’s best songs have Timbaland on them. “What Goes Around… Comes Around” & “Cry Me a River”. Those are some poppin’ tunes. You can hear Timbaland’s influence (and voice), but I thought of him as a producer, not a songwriter. But it’s true that many artists produced their most popular songs while they were working with Timbaland.
I don't think Pink Floyd is overrated: I think they are such a big anomaly in the history of rock that it cannot be analyzed in the same way as other bands. Their first works were a search, an experimentation that bore fruit with:
dark side
Wywh
animals
the wall
I mean, they weren't trying to be "good" with the other albums or sell millions, so they shouldn't be compared to those 4 masterpieces.
By the way, 4 albums for which all the other bands in the world - except for The Beatles - WOULD KILL.
The piper needs another chapter, for obvious reasons
Pink Floyd is one of the greatest bands in history! The first CD that I ever bought back in 1985 was "Dark Side of the Moon".
Piper es una obra maestra, al nivel de las cuatro que has mencionado, solo que suena diferente. Los fanaticos del sonido clasico de la banda en los 70 discriminan el disco. Algunos hasta cometen la estupidez musical de valorar mas discos de bajo perfil como more, obscured by clouds o a momentary lapse of reason, por encima del Piper. Para mi, eso es fanatismo. Ojk man, no te gusta el sonido, te gusta mas el sonido de david gilmour con waters comnponiendo, que el de Barrett, pero cada cancion del Piper tiene algun secrretito musical oculto entre las capas de exoperimntacion, que es muy dificil captar a la primera escucha, pñero que vasa caprtando poco a poco. El disco te envuelve como una telaraña si lesa das varias oportunidades... y es popsiblemente la cosa mas original que haya salido de la inglaterra de lios años 60. Años luz por encima de sus coetaneos ingleses... es una opinion generalizada de la critica musical, no algo que me haya inventado yo. Es un disco MUY CASTIGADO en general por los fanaticos del pink floyd de los 70. Ellos buscan el mismo sioniodo de los que se hiciero9n fans y no van a encontrarlo. Hay que abordarlo dede otro prisma diferente, quizas incluso como una banda diferente. Y realmente casi lo era. Hasta rick wright cambio su estilo al teclado y el piano cuando barrett desaparecio. El saucerful of secrets es un disco de transicion entre las dos bandas distintas... Yo lo veo asi. Luego es unaestupidez decir que gilmour sustituyo a barrett... el que sustituyo a barrett como fueraza creativa fue roger waters. El perfil de david gilmour en pink floyd era mas de ejecutor de ideas ajenas que de fuerza creativa. Waters fue el que tomo el testigo de syd barrett. ademas si te das cuenta en el disco a saucerful of secrets la importancia de la guitarra es casi nula... el bajo y el teclado se imponen sobre ella. a david gilmour le costo ecnontrar su sitio en la banda. tampoco fue inmediato.
@@aprendizdebrujo100 Si, concuerdo con lo que apuntas.
Por eso decía que Piper merece un capítulo aparte, ya que es un gran álbum, pero con la formación inicial de la banda y el liderazgo creativo de Barret.No tiene nada que ver con lo que vino después.Piper tiene canciones que me encantan.
@@aprendizdebrujo100very well said. I agree 100 percent.👍
@@doscwolny2221 👍
What?! No U2? Pink Floyd more over-rated than U2! My faith in you has dropped immeasurably, Andy. [Sad Face]...😉
U2 are underrated if anything. Except to ignorant tools like you.
Hahahaha I was the one ringing when you were talking about Marillion! Just joking. Coincidentally I was just listening Fugasi when you were talking about them which brings memories when I was a teenager. I completely fullfil your decription about a nerdy teenager BUT thanks to marillion I learned about Yes, Genesis (obvioulsy), Jethro Tull and King Crimson. The band was the gateway to another universe of music. Also, the voice of Fish is superb.
Re: Grateful Dead's improvisation being grounded in the blues. You could say exactly the same about Cream, only more so. I've never been a blues fan so it's not a coincidence that I don't much like Cream. They were of their time, it seems to me. Whereas the Dead's music is constantly evolving with new offshoot and cover bands etc. The Dead wrote some great songs that can be interpreted (by other people) in many different ways and still sound good. And also the lyrics by dedicated lyric writers Hunter and Barlow elevated the songs even more. In my opinion... you're welcome to disagree!
I like Cream but the Grateful Dead only became amazing to me after hanging out with some deadheads. At that point I’d only heard 3-4 radio hits and didn’t think anything special. Then the heads played me their concert tapes and I became a huge fan. I was blown away by the massive library of excellent and beautiful songs: not just Dark Star but Wharf Rat, Terrapin Station, Help on the Way/Franklin’s Tower, Uncle John’s Band, That’s It for the Other One, etc. I just recently heard Live Dead and found it to be tedious; they really didn’t hit their stride until the mid 70’s! Then again if you’re into trippin, then the late 60’s were just fine.
agreed the improv by Cream is nothing compared to the Dead
Was there another band that can keep 20,000 people dancing for 4 hours. Louis Jordan, the Beatles, Springsteen? Maybe? A lot of the bands you rate highly can't even be danced to. Jerry Garcia is also a true guitar player's guitarist.butyou have to listen and their laid back Vibe fools you into thinking nothing is going on.
@@guywoznicki7847 Totally agree, I don't even like Live Dead. I recently listened to all the original studio and live albums in order (about 15 or so I think). And Live Dead was the one I liked least of all.
@@theshrubberer I read a book about Deep Purple by Martin Popoff and in ‘68 they briefly opened up for Cream. Ritchie Blackmore was such an impressive guitarist that the crowds would actually boo Clapton. After this happened 2-3 times Purple were dropped from the tour. I laughed because Clapton always bored me!
Finally I don't have to pretend that Joy Division was awesome!
That was the first band. And a final comment on Pink Floyd's "The Wall" as NOT necessarily being a masterpiece: Many music lovers were shocked and outraged when the 1980 Grammy Award for album-of-the-year was given, the award went not to Pink Floyd, but instead to Christopher Cross. Was America truly won-over by Christopher Cross's angelic, airy voice and sensitive, deeply emotional ballads? Or was the music establishment making a quiet statement about Pink Floyd?
For me the most overrated band is Led Zeppelin. Yeah yeah, I know they were directly and indirectly very influential and prior to them hard rock was a fairly amorphous genre. They managed to distil the essence of it and make it more punchy. I spent most of my late teen years trying to appreciate them, and I've heard all their records many times. But Page is a sloppy guitarist, Plant lost his voice halfway through their career. Bonham is a powerful drummer but I don't listen to a band for drums. Like most people drum solos on live albums are to be skipped, not played. *But it's the plagiarism that really is the sore point* . I'd estimate about 70% of the debut is either based on other people's songs (like Dazed or Confused) or they're blatant rip offs, like Black Mountain Side. The plagiarism continues on and off for most of their career. Even the riff to Whole Lotta Love appears in Hey Joe covered by Hendrix two years earlier. And really I can't understand why anyone would want to listen to a muddy sounding stodgy blues rip off like The Lemon Song in today's age.
I wouldn't care so much but all my life I've had people say that Led Zeppelin are the greatest rock band of all time, or the greatest band of all time. Such excessive praise seems unjustified when they relied so much on other people's music for their success. I refuse to bow down before them as musical gods.
That's objectively why I think they're overrated. I don't really like them for some subjective reasons.
The guitar tone- it's thin, scratchy and cold sounding. For a supposedly heavy rock band I find the guitar unsatisfying. I much preferred Black Sabbath and even earlier bands like Cream and Hendrix I find have a heavier, beefier guitar tone.
I just hate those hippy-ish acoustic songs they did.
And the fans are really annoying.
I agree with half of what you're saying. True, Zep ripped off a lot of other songs. But they did them better. You may not care about drums but Bonham influenced every drummer who followed. Page can be sloppy and he can be brilliant. John Paul Jones is a monster bass player and overall musical talent. And on that first album Plant is ungodly. Yes, he lost those high notes and was never had beautiful voice so I'd say he's been overrated as a singer in his later years. In fact, I think the last three Zep albums were all forgettable. But you can not refute that they were the first super group of musicians. Like them or not, they are significant.
Led Zeppelin is great fun to listen to in spite of everything you said.
One thing that makes Zeppelin awful for me is their delusional, semi-ignorant fan base. They're the least knowledgeable music devotees on the planet and seem to think music started with their band.
Agree with most of that.....and the other thing that annoys me is that they seem to take themselves so incredibly seriously.
Queen is not overrated! Come on. The Clash or also Nirvana are far over rated!
Nirvana are really crap .Mtv band for middle class people .Angst for rich.peoplec😂
I laughed through most of this. And I totally agree with the majority of it. Queen failed miserably for me after Night at the Opera. They eventually joined a batch of good/great 70s bands and artists that just went for the mainstream money in the 80s. For me, artists like Aerosmith, Heart, Yes, Elton John, Queen, ZZ Top, Van Hagar, Chicago, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, Rod Stewart were all safer and extremely boring in the 80s. How do you compare "I Want to Break Free" to "Stone Cold Crazy"? "These Dreams" to "Barracuda"? "Baby What a Big Surprise" to "Make Me Smile"? "Legs" to "Jesus just Left Chicago"? "When It's Love" to "Mean Streets"? "Invisible Touch" to even a song like "Blood on the Rooftops"? It was rough listening 70s bands in the 80s FOR ME.
Everybody went pop in the 80s, as the managers convinced them to make money for a change. Look what happened to Yes or Genesis?
It is too silly to compare the music in the 70s and 80s. Every decade had/has its changes and its beauty. You need to have ears to find this beauty. Obviously you can't.
"Queen failed miserably for me ... went for the mainstream money in the 80s.". This sentence can only show how bad you know Queen history. Queen members became millionaires already in 1977/1978 after their grandiose tour through US, Canada, Europe and Japan. Mainstream money? Bullshit. There was no one band in the 80s who played or sounded like Queen.
Bullseye! All my 70s favourites turned to mush in the 80s. I was gutted.
I couldn't agree with you more. It broke my heart.
Yep. Goodness knows what Jones, Joplin, Morrison, Hendrix would have done in the 80s.
Brian Wilson said that he learned and taught the rest of "The Beach Boys" to sing by listening to "The Four Freshmen."
I had a minor tinge of upset at Joy Division, nothing else, LOL. And I love Pink Floyd. But totally see your point, and was more than prepared for them to be No. 1 on this list -- I've paid enough attention to this channel, lol. I do wonder what you'd come away with going through every Crimson record the way did Pink Floyd. Or every Yes album (i.e., including Rabin-and-after)... not saying it would be the same, but I do think you'd find some shoddy material too, and in the latter case, some of the "safest" shoddy material. I also would love to hear you talk about the Velvet Underground, in light of some what you've said here.
Yes i smell hypocracy as well.
@@doscwolny2221 i don’t think of it that way. But I believe it’s not that serious.
I am a passionate music lover since 45 years. So seem you. I agree with you all along (except Marillion) I think they are underrated for their first 5 albums and overrated because of Kayleigh which is so typical for music business. The total untypical cheesy songs go into radio. Beach Boys was total incompatible with me, but the vocal work/arrangments bought my respect.
Can I ask you a question? Do we have nowadays such albums as we had as teens?
There was no alternative to swipe to after you had bought an album..We listened albums so often until we got into it (progressive rock) or until we go so used to it that we thought them to be great😅
I HAVE too add 3 comments to this: 1) when I was a kid buying records in the late 60's early 70's, there were 2 distinct genres - Progressive Rock and Art Rock - bands like Pink Floyd and Procul Harum and Moody Blues were "Art Rock". Somewhere since then the Art Rock group has been pushed into the Progressive folder; it still doesn't seem right to me. 2) I am a Dead fan but not enough to be a Deadhead. But I've spent a lot of time with Deadheads and I don't think any of them would argue that The Greatful Dead was a great band. On any given night they might put on an awful show. The next night might be great; to them that was the charm. 3) I remember at a job during break one time we were discussing the best singer, the best guitarist etc. One guy insisted that it was inarguable the Robert Plant was the best singer, Jimmy Page was the best guitarist, John Paul Jones and John Bonnam the best bassist and drummer. He wouldn't even consider to doubt it due to the coincidence factor.
”Somewhere since then the Art Rock group has been pushed into the Progressive folder; it still doesn't seem right to me”. Completely agree. Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP are the real prog of my 70s youth.
Pink Floyd, Procol Harum and the Moody Blues were clearly labelled "progressive" in the Melody Maker in 1968-69. But then, Hendrix was also called "progressive blues" there. Maybe that distinction was made in other publications?
Everything that challenged or pushed the boundaries of the established genres was called progressive in the late 60s. The idea of an "art rock" belonged in there since rock had been mostly throwaway teenage entertainment before.
@@Leo_ofRedKeep Yes, I was there too.
@@Leo_ofRedKeep Indeed, good answer. Prog and progressive aren't the same. I hang out on the Prog Archives board and that's an ongoing discussion there. Prog is a genre, progressive is not.
@chetsenior7253 The 70s NYC scene is widely underrated, (Television, Johnny Thunders, Heartbreakers, Smith, Velvent Underground, Voidoids, etc., etc) largely because so many of them fizzled out from drug abuse.
I get it Marrilion didn’t offer you a gig haha !I like Marrilion, and Genesis , ELP Tull PFM Triumvirat , Floyd , so there !
I like them all too. Every last severely overrated one of them. Yeah, them being massively overrated and us liking them are not mutually exclusive.
Rage Against the Machine. They’re incredibly overrated. Especially since they’re hypocrites. They sing about how capitalism sucks but charge people $300 for tickets. There’s a reason why they’re called “Rage On Behalf of the Machine.”
Edit: Also, Zach de la Rocha has a weak voice.
What about Morello....the worst guitar player ever.
When they came to Greece in the late '90s they actually asked for a limit to the tickets. I paid about 40 Euros for Radiohead and the cost for RATM (the equivalent in Drachmas, the then currency of Greece) was exactly half that. Maybe they've changed since then but I remember music loving youth at the time appreciating the low ticket and the fact that it was the band forcing a ticket cap.
@@cerveshred I honestly prefer Tom playing for Audioslave. Then again, I could be biased since I’m a fan of Chris Cornell, God rest his soul. Chris managed to take the members of Rage Against the Machine (sans Zack), and make gold from garbage.
This a common argument, where if left wing people earn money or own possessions they are somehow hypocrites, for better or worse we all live under capitalism so have to play by those ruled to survive. As for Rage any research into them shows they do put their money where their mouths are in regards to activism etc
And sold out 5 Madison sq garden shows on a row😏 go figure
Queen I and Queen II are the best to me.
The turned to pop to become a world wide phenomenon.
I can't blame them, but you do.
I remember Marillion literally funding a tour by asking fans to donate money and let them stay at their houses during the tour. I don't think there is any possible way to over rate a band that most people would say "didn't they have a song in the eighties"? And most likely most couldn't even name the band, they'd just recognize the one song they had a hit with.
Clutching at Straws in MY opinion is the greatest concept album ever done. It beats The Wall, The Lamb, and even Amused to Death. The lyrics and melodies are out of this world, and I say that as somebody that pretty much wrote them off after that, so its not like I"m ranking it that highly because I"m a 'fan'.
So I don't think you can over rate a band that most people have no idea existed. At a local reseller they've had the Script for a Jesters Tear in vinyl newly wrapped for ten bucks and its been there for two years. I mentioned it to the store owner, he said 'never heard of them, crazy cover though".
So I think its safe to say not only is Marillion not 'over rated', they are barely 'rated' by most of the population, and its a tragedy they aren't heard by more people when so much junk gets played. Rheostatics in Canada are like that, original, great songs, bands cite them as an influence, but can't sell an album for love or money.
Don’t agree with Clutching at straws being better than the lamb. Brave is better than clutching at straw and closer to the lamb.
I do agree that Marillion were very underrated band. Superb band but not as good as Early Genesis who are the best band ever.
His opinion was somewhat clouded by the fact ‘his band(s)’ didn’t hit the limelight and holds a grudge. Most people 40+ have heard of Marillion but most people below the age of 40 have not - so I find it hard to appreciate anything he has to say about Marillion without feeling he has the green eyed monster in reference to Marillion and 80’s brief success. For the record I dislike Kayleigh for the song is most non-Marillion stuff they have done.
Fair point, funny story.
@@ronaldround1072 yeah Kayleigh was a bit of a Pop Chart song although in the context of Misplaced Childhood it's a great track. I don't listen to Marillion much these days but when I do the tracks are timeless.
Clutching and Brave are two of my best albums. Did not really get into the later Hogarth stuff after Brave.
They were a great 80's band and someone I admire.
@@ronaldround1072 No, most people over 40 have not heard of Marillion. Just like MOST people over 40 have no idea that Peter Gabriel was even IN Genesis.
I do find it bizarre when people talk about musicians and sports teams like their personal taste is some moral attribute.
Kayleigh I think is a nice enough song, in the context of the album it 'works' and it also helped make them some money because LOTS of poeple liked it.
But you could be right, some people dislike bands BECAUSE they had a pop hit, I can sort of understand that because some people feel they are 'backing' up artists who they feel never 'sold out', despite the fact most musicians usually TRY to make music that as many people as possible like.
I mentioned Rheostatics and somebody mentioned their lack of success to them and why they don't 'try' to have pop hits and their response was "Of course we're TRYING". They just don't know how. A guy asked Captain Beefheart "don't you want to have hits" and Don Van Vliet said "Of COURSE I do", and anybody listening to Captain Beefheart knows that he and the mainstream were never going to be bride and groom.
You did it. You got my goat. Pink Floyd still moves me after 40 years. No other band you mentioned has the same effect.
What your video did for me, along with being super funny, is made me wonder about what overrated means. How does one determine overrated? In other words, what is being compared? Is it kind of like RottenTomatoes scores, where there's 2 scores: one from critics and one from the public? and then the most overrated are where the discrepancy is the greatest? What would one use for the public's score: Spotify streams, albums sold, number of concerts? I did't check, but I've heard Queen has huge Spotify following. Taking this into consideration with their inconsistent and less than stellar catalog, I agree they are overrated (and I have owned 3 of their albums, so I am a fan). Same for Pink Floyd for same reason. I don't know about Foo Fighters popularity metrics, but I've never been able to listen to a single one of their songs all they way through--imagine its what AI would generate for a song; so can't disagree with you on this band. KISS: I remember being a teenager back in the 70s, and mostly no one liked KISS, including me...not sure how they went from being held in such low esteem to being a phenomenon in more recent times (I've heard they lip-sync their live shows of late). I could comment more, but this is getting TL;DR, so will stop for now.
wow a Marillion genesis comparison, havent heard one of those for about 35 years lol, sour grapes you only played in very unsuccesful, unpopular nerdy bands that could barely fill a ford Galaxy perhaps?
I personally can't stand Dave Grohl, he claims to be a massive punk/metal fan yet starts a butt rock band just to make money. Zero credibility.
He did the Probot project, that’s metal, but yeh Foo’s can be dull overall with some good songs here and there.
@chetsenior7253he's as punk as my neighbours cat
@fydstar just another vanity project so he could suck up to more artists he was always sniffing Lemmys arsehole.
During the coofid hysteria he was in effect a totalitarian government extention demanding this and that. He stooped low.
Yep and duets with Rick Astley
I totally agree with you about KISS and the Grateful Dead. Just never understood the massive adoration so many people had/have for them.
2 best post pet sounds albums by the beach boys were holland and surfs up
No matter how many different ways you try to tell people overrated doesn't also mean not great, some people still won't get it.
well ,he didn't actually have much positive to say about most of the bands on his list so that caveat was a bit gratuitous imo
Ppl are super weirdly tribal or religious about bands. Once you step back it all is so incredibly stupid and funny
How about a list of top ten Methodone Bands? [note: a Methodone Band is a band a fan turns to when they need a new album from their favorite band, the Heroin band, but that band stopped recording new material for some reason.] Greta Van Fleet is a Methodone Band for Zeppelin. Sweet is a Methodone Band for Queen. Marillion is a Methodone Band for Gabriel-era Genesis. Etc etc.
Yes I agree. That guy makes top ten about everything and nothing...especially nothing. How about a top ten of bands who screw the most groupies? Or a top ten of who's got the most std's?
Like the term
I've been looking for a methadone band for Jaxon-era Van der Graaf Generator for nearly fifty years and all I get is paracetamol bands.
Mmmm methadone
@@multi-purposebiped7419 Have you tried Thinking Plague or La Rossa?
mate, this was the most honest, most balanced, most passionate, most humble damn bleeding fu***g clickbait video I was fooled to click.
Keep your passion for music.
We all have one in common: we dont consume music. We make it the soundtrack of our lifes.
Better selfcare? Can't imagine. ✌️
Brian Wilson was 23 when he wrote and recorded Pet Sounds. After that they released the albums Surf’s Up and Sunflowers. Both amazing albums. The reason the Beach Boys have released some dross after that is because Brian Wilson basically went insane and, after a brief pretty good interlude led by Carl Wilson, Mike Love took over and he wanted to keep the Beach Boys as a nostalgia band and Brian didn’t have the energy, inclination or ability to stop him as he had basically left the group and only made fleeting appearances with them. But most of their work up until the early 70s was very good.
Voivod! Hell yes! They are underrated for sure.
Are the Foos so prominent as to warrant potential overestimation? I never owned any of their albums, but I must admit to liking “Everlong” as a tween. 🥴
I bought their first album, meh. And I never bought anything else.
They’re in the rock ‘n’ roll Hall of Fame so I guess they’re rated pretty highly by somebody. (Not me.)
@@thirdcoast5755 Don't get excited: Whitney Houston is also in the RnR HoF.
"Medicine at Midnight" was a head-scratcher.
One of the biggest singles in history for a reason
Well I was about to say you have the greatest taste in music ever because of the near700 albums I purchased I never purchased one from the first nine bands you named although I was okay with the Dead and queen when they came on the radio well I hated that whole mud on your face but then you named Pink Floyd and sure they're not the greatest ever but they are damn good
Apparently everybody is either a Nazi or a commie according to Twitter
Wow tend to agree with everything you said and even if I didn’t at first you made a great points. Couldn’t agree more with Floyd. My brothers had a lot of their albums and it didn’t interest me. The Wall was ok some great tunes but most of it was like drawing teeth. Strangely my brothers never had Dark side and years later I bought it myself. It was strange right from its brilliant beginning right through to its brilliant end it had me transfixed. The first time I heard that album I was like what the hell have I just experienced, no drugs required the music on the album was the drug.
I liked the video but I cannot agree with Queen being there. I love prog but I love all their albums. Outstanding songwriters, outstanding performers, each of them. Did they write pub music? Sure, the best ever. Did they also write neo classical pieces, prog, funk, dance, heavy rock, jazz? They did everything! What didn't they do? I believe you would be hard pressed to find any band with a catalogue as diverse and as accomplished as Queen. And honestly, thank god for their recent rise in public awareness. I can't see any aspect that they lack. And to say that they are not the Mahavishnu Orchestra is just silly. They were better 😊
So true!
Don't think Marrlion were overrated because they never become a huge band, Motley Crew are just shit as are Kiss, Pink Floyd overrated hard to justify that one, they have a lot of first class albums, and I saw them live and have to say one of the best.
Motley Crue are legends only because the first album in 81 too fast for love and 82 shout at the devil we’re A grade.
Then after that just lame. But if you have two great albums you get to tour forever on that. I don’t think KISS has even one A grade album. But visually it was probably epic in the 70’s
David Gilmour is overrated?? What is wrong, must be Gen Z commenting lol
@@autk Yeah right! How can a true great possibly be "overrated"? Not too many have made a bigger impact on music.
@@GrahamSouthorn Because "overrated" and "impactful" aren't mutually exclusive?
Dude is jealous of Marillions success. Playing neo - prog but they got press, unlike IQ. Cuz who in the actual f are they?? So many other overrated bands out there as in huge but lame.
Queen definitively does not belong on that list. It was a fantastic band.
Yes they were. But as Andy said. Too many people consider them to be the godfathers of Rock. Which they arent. They have a lot of great great Songs. But there albums mostly are filled with average songs
@@TheRealYTIAN Agree. They were more of a singles band. But those singles were incredible! And their live concerts were some of the very best during their active time.
The Beatles come to mind. Sure they were groundbreaking and wrote some great songs but I'm sick of them being called GOAT by their flock. There were other great bands of that era like The Who who often get overlooked. They are the only band that made two classic films, Tommy and Quadrophenia and these were actual films not just a live concert.
I'm a Huge Queen fan but when I started to like them I had them in the same group of bands with ELO and 10cc I still think that's about right
Yes,they were a great Rock band in the early-mid 70s,then went downhill after Bo Rap was a big hit and they went Disco/Funk.
Queen queen2 and shear heart attack, day at the races, and night at the opera cannot be put in the same music box as elo, later queen stuff prob yes, but still great, elo where also the work of genius, better than today's offerings. IMHO.
I had a subscription to 'Guitar Player's magazine for a number of years and shook my head in bewilderment at how many featured artists would cite KISS as their big influence. In some cases. I'd say it explained a lot. In others, I can only be glad it was not evident.
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Queen: the white and black album That was it. After that they went pop mainstream. Worst live band I Have ever seen here in Germany 1976. Mercury spent more time in changing stage clothes than doing a good singing. Could not play a good anchore. We were all very disappointed. Floyd are so in awe of themselves. Overblown pompeous stuff. Like Rush. Ghandi was not without violence within India, he made his way with some rutheless things- look it up. I´d rather listen to Highway Star ten times in a row than "We Willl Rock You" or Stairway to Heaven . Dire Straits = first album, after that sterile stuff. Grateful Dead= give me a break. Purple are the epitome of Hard Rock -No rock band touches Made in Japan, No Zep, No Sabbath, No Maiden. . .Yes / ELP / Genesis are epitome of progressive rock. Give me Mountain live, Grand Funk live, Ten Years after live - Gallagher live. But not Queen or Zep or the Stones. .
Love this! On the other hand I could easily find arguments for every famous rock band in history being overrated. So, yeah, totally pointless video right up my alley.
Look at my channel, you will find more deeper videos with much less views. Here I get to talk about music and be a bit silly which I enjoy...
The overrated factor comes a lot by the fact so many people won't let go of their teenage years heroes so they keep sonsuming the music of these bands. They go to the concerts but can't be bothered with new material by these bands or too lazy to discover new music in the vast world we have inf front of us courtesy of the internet. Queen were my favorite band ever as a young man but those years are long gone. Plus the over exposure makes me feel like Alex from A Clockwork Orange when he listened to Beethoven after the treatment...Lol
Kiss being overrated is obvious but that is part of the escence of the band, the way the band was planned, being created as an overrated band from their inception is part of their charm. Still they manage to have great songs with cool guitar, bass and drum parts that everyone can recognize.
@davidbradley2294 Of courrse, but any band would kill to have a War Machine, an Unholy, a Black Diamond,a God of thunder, or a Detroit Rock City in their catalog.
‘Great’ songs? Quite arguable. 🥴
I appreciate this comment a lot more than I appreciate Kiss.
I thought when Kiss first came out, they were like the Monkees. I wasn't sure if they played their own instruments or not.
I don't pledge pledge allegiance to any band whatsoever (well, maybe King Crimson and Black Flag), but the first 5 or 6 Kiss albums are really, really good. And it was fresh, too. They took classic 60's and 70's rock/hard rock and stripped down of its folky, trippy elements and delivered pure, undiluted rock n roll..
Grateful Dead were such a patchy band, still my favourite country/blues band by a long way, I prefer their structured stuff like American Beauty + Workingman's Dead., with Terrapin Station containing their best musical achievements. Their live stuff ranges from complete crap to amazing, unfortunately so much sits in the middle ground. I think it all came down to how hard they were tripping, then later years how smacked out they were 😂 Immense cultural influence, musical influence not so much!
I said to someone just the other day: "I'm expecting Foo Fighters next album to have a crocheting supplement in the inlay, for all the 65 year old aunties to do whilst enjoying the album. They may even include a secret track where Dave Growl apologises for every time he swore" 😂😂
Marillion's ratings on Progarchives is completely insane, it's caused me to retry their music a few times as I just can't workout how the fuck they get the reviews they do!
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Fucking amazing Pink Floyd section 😂😂
Got to love this guy !! The first part of his Pink Floyd rant was killer - ha ha ! Keep doing it - Props dude as they used to say !
G N' R opened for Maiden where I live and Axle was spitting on the audience. Crap. Maiden killed them.
I am a 53-year-old American so that has a bearing on my thoughts.
Seriously disagree with the Dead.
Kiss truly rock as long as it's live.
Early Crue was great anything after shout is overrated. Totally agree with GnR for the same reasons.
The Beach Boys shouldn't be near the top 10 but are a very solid band I never see them as overrated but never rated as high as you think they are seen.
Since that movie Queen has been overrated for every great so9ng there is 10 garbage songs...
Floyd is the greatest ever. Live and on albums. My favorite album has been a Floyd album for the last 40 years. It has changed over the years. The Wall to DSOM to Animals and now at this point in life Wish You Here . The point is there is always some Floyd that will relate to where you are in life. From Meddle on(except Final Cut) has been all solid. Even the first two post Waters.(not including Endless River)
You missed the most overrated ever, Bon Jovi.
Bon Jovi i think might be in the were never rated high to begin with category ... but i hear you.
@@dewdew34 High school in the late 80\s way too much Bon Jovi... middle of the pack band at best.
"give me a large pizza, hold the bon jovis."
Do Kiss truly rock live even when they fake it?
@@dewdew34 Was about to say the same. In order to be over rated, a lot of people should be praising the band/artist for their influence and over all quality, and I don't see that happening with Bon Jovi. They're a totally indifferent band to most people.
Pink Floyd and Queen (and Beatles) are for sure my all time favourites, but… I do agree with your argument. Still… I just love they’re sound
I had never actually listened to Marillion prior to watching this video, in fact, my only knowledge of them was gleaned from an offhand reference made in an Alan Partridge episode (or film, I forget).
Your bewilderment at their popularity and the fact that a song called "Kayleigh" had actually topped the UK charts at some point in the 80s, piqued my interest enough to pause your video and go listen to said piece.
My reaction was akin to how people in 200 years will probably look back on the concept of the 9-5, 40 hour work week or the consumption of breakfast cereal as an evening snack; with a sense of equal parts confusion and bemusement that such a time could ever have even existed.
The song *literally* sounds like something one of my average ability Year 11 students would write for their GCSE Music composition coursework. From the cringefully earnest lyrics that have been awkwardly stuffed in to fit the rhythm of the verse chord progression right down to the stolid guitar solo so plain that I would have sworn it was AI generated were it not for the fact the song is nearly 40 years old.
I honestly can't believe people listened to this... the whole video feels like an incredibly well-made, albeit exaggerated, parody of an 80s pop song from a Flight of The Conchords episode.
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I saw IQ supporting Magnum at Newcastle City Hall in December 1985, were you playing with them then? I was with you all the way here until you got to Queen and Pink Floyd, where I didn't entirely agree with your reasoning, although I can see some of the points you're making. I think you have compared Queen with bands that I would not have put in the same category, and I like and have seen several of them, as well as Queen. The Pink Floyd one is difficult. I can think of a few bands that have been influential, but who have just released too many albums, which inevitably include a lot of filler tracks or which just aren't very good. REM comes to mind as an example.
For what it's worth I saw Pendragon at the Student Union at Stirling University circa 1984/85. In 1980 or thereabouts I saw a band at what was then Kingston Polytechnic. They were more or less unknown then and never really went anywhere. What was their name? Oh Yeah! U2 😏
It's funny you mention "Jump" when you referred to Van Halen because I've always thought that song was the cheesiest song they ever put out. I never listened much to Van Halen after Roth left so there may be even cheesier tunes but everytime I hear that keyboard sound at the beginning of jump I cringe.
I got excited when you said Queen at first because I thought you said Cream. Now Cream are totally overrated. Also I never knew of another band named Palace. I had only heard of Will Oldham's Palace who I love. To be fair he usually called Palace Brothers or Palace Music. But anyway I learned of the other Palace from this video and from what I just looked up and listened to it sounds good so thanks for turning me on to a new band.
I haven't even started the video but I can see Kiss are on here - we need a definition of 'overrated' then because as far as I am aware nobody in the rock media ever thought they were any good and they were (and are) treated as a bit of a joke by grownups....