Girl, I said he needs help at the same time you did. I'm glad he no longer has to worry about money but he should not be bragging about writing those script all by his self.
I stopped watching his movies after why did I get married and never got why but now I do. I have grown as a young black woman and he has not as a man that has the power to rep women like me.
It's easy to have that work ethic or be a workaholic if you have housekeepers, gardeners, nannies, personal assistants! I could live more of my dreams too if someone else just did my laundry and cleaned my house!
The only thing Tyler writes about is cheating, angry black women, drugs, and abusive black men. I don't need to see anymore of his movies, thanks but no thanks Tyler.
I can’t say this enough. The black community made Tyler Perry the mega star he is because we are so HUNGRY for black content that we will accept almost ANYTHING! We desperately need more content creators to bring fresh stories.
You're exactly right. I watch some of Tyler Perry's Shows not because I think they are good but because I love seeing black people on the screen and it's hard to find it. I'll snarl and sneer at how poorly a Tyler Perry show episode was put together and turn right around and watch it again next week because of that hunger for black representation.
He has little or no experience in most topics he writes about and I don’t want to make assumptions but does he not like black women? He’s always punishing them with either toxic relationships or toxic mentalities. Same tropes
It took Jordan Peele 10 years to write Get Out. It was brilliant. It takes time to make quality work. We should push the narrative of quality work and collaboration.
It does take time to write, it even takes time to write some bullshit. He taking the blame for all the racist writers that write for and with him. Nobody can write all that shit that fast alone. He telling a damn lie.
Not to mention, he’s doing a disservice to himself and black people. Imagine how many black writers could have opportunities if he did hire a writers room. Imagine the content that could be created if he hired new black voices.
Iayana Elie right! A close knit team of of black writers that he personally curated would be more admirable to me. Tyler Perry’s perspective is lacking in many areas especially the female perspective.
I honestly wouldn't want to work with him cuz his overall vision is sh*t and like she said the production is awful. I watched a bit of The Oval and the acting is HORRIBLE.
That was my thought when he given an award at the BET Honors this summer. Why hasn’t Tyler Perry Studios been a place for a Bradford Young, a Hannah Beachler, a Barry Jenkins, or a Melina Matsoukas to thrive? Oh, I know why. Because it’s not about building up talented people behind the camera. No, it’s all about him.
The problem with Tyler Perry is that he is deeply insecure. By inviting other talented voices to sit at the table he built all by himself, he'll have to accept the fact that there are better writers and filmmakers who are better than him. All them stacks of scripts and shows and his product is still crap. I applaud him for building his own studio, and his many successes, but how long before people wake up and realize he's a one trick pony? He should be using his empire to create opportunities for other black and brown voices to express their talents, because quiet as it's kept we love other genres (sci fi, horror, action), besides the bafoonery he continues to produce
"I don't know how people can find any fun in watching mindless films. If you want a peaceful rest, have a bath. Why go to the cinema?" - Korean director Park Chan-Wook
I've told several people in casual conversation that I didn't like his movies. One response I got was "Are you even black?". My blackness is not defined by crappy movies, thanks.
I live in Atlanta and I am surrounded by it, he always has something premiering somewhere. He does a lot of theater, small indie films, hes got stuff everywhere. The only reason I believe he does it all himself is because its all the same. Madea Goes to Get a Church's Sandwich, no thank you.
gisforgary sams. People down here sound brain washed and when you say something about the work being bad people are ready to fight. It’s that protection. They are so proud of him for being self made and employing black actors which is great but there’s no accountability for him to better his work.
To all you women bashing Tyler Perry about him doing his own writing. If you have writing skills why don't you get together, put your thoughts and ideas together and write some stories, movies and TV shows that will get you paid, get your own studio and do something productive and we can support you as well!!!! GO TYLER!!!! GOD'S BLESSINGS!!!!
Mamasbaby Moore Why dont you actually listen instead of writing the same comments. All he does is make the stereotypes of women and men, over and over, we get it, he likes to dress as a women. Its time to move on and write something new and fresh.
Akeise Sample Oh boo hoo, the man is rich, he can retire now with his millions and not work another day in his life. Movies are public so they will be open to criticism.
The reason Tyler writes everything himself is so that he doesn’t have to adhere to union rules with a writers room. He’s known for underpaying people. I have to find the link to the article so I’ll be back.
Straight trash! The horrible weaves/wigs, pregnant pauses in the dialogue, repetitive dialog, the never ending background music. I can't support this garbage
ade I’m a red blooded heterosexual black man. Even I want to see more of my sisters in the writers room. A fresh perspective will bring life to his production, and be able to actually HEAR what our women have to say.
Tyler Perry: "I wrote all these in 2019" 80% of people: "I wish i had that kind of work ethic" Any writer ever: "All those in a year? They must be garbage"
Right. There's just no way to put out that many scripts and for them to be good. I thought that was a pile of scripts he had written over a period of years. He said he wrote all of that in 2019. It's crazy that he sees that as a good thing. It means that one, you're a quantity over quality guy and two you're a psycho workaholic and have no balance to your life whatsoever. I'm not envying any of that.
@@marylandgirl9246 Exactly. And at the end of his clip he goes "work ethic!" as if he has a good amount. No. Pumping out trash script after trash script in a short amount of time does not qualify as good work ethic. In fact, it's the opposite. Clearly, he's not putting much thought or effort into a single piece which is why he's able to create so much
Right? I've been working on a novel and I've been at it for almost a year. ONE book and I'm constantly reworking it and editing it and trying to make sure it actually makes sense. I know it's not a script, but at the same time, if you can do all that writing in a year, keeping multiple plots going, it makes me seriously question the quality of it.
"I'm no longer impressed by people who work all the time. Just making a lot of stuff is not it. What are you making? What's the degree of difficulty?" YESSSS. So poignant. For music as well.
Agency in Repose that’s a really good point. I hadn’t considered that. I can respect what he’s done to change the status quo. But why continue to create subpar things after the fact? He clearly has an audience now and the funding and means to work with other talented people and make something exceptional. A lot of the mistakes he makes feel lazy or amateur for someone as successful as he is in the industry. I do stand by that criticism for other creators who haven’t as much cultural impact though, like artists that crank out soulless music someone else has written for them just to chart or make money
I’ve worked there! I refuse to go back. The only thing “Mr. Perry” cares about is “Mr. Perry”. His goal is pushing out tons of product ( shows) as fast as he can for the least amount of money. This in turn keeps his crew members from making a healthy amount of money. He films entire seasons of His TV shows in 3 weeks and the Movies in a weeks (6 days) time. Meanwhile he cash’s in the same amount of money as if he shot the show over the typical amount of time it takes to shoot them ( 3 months for movies and 6-7 months for TV). In the meantime while you are there working, you are in constant fear of being fired for the most ridiculous of reasons. I’ve worked in this industry for 13 years now and was never more stressed, overworked and undervalued as I was working at TPS. I’m black and that should say something. 🤦🏽♂️
The business is likely still a start-up with lots of debt and inadequate financing partners and so it still needs to prove itself to more flushed investors. Cashflow is king. Just my speculation though.
@smkep Yes. I agree and I remember that exchange between the two. I thought that it was just me that felt the same about his movies, but Spike Lee’s commentary was quite accurate. I’m glad that they made up though.
He basically is surviving on perpetuating the stereotype of us being sad, angry, no man needing, drug affected, workaholic...... I have yet to see a beautiful well adjusted woman in his movies, shows, plays. That's just my opinion.
@@LiterallyTho You're right he built the biggest production studio in the world because no one watches his material. Damn you're dumb.
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@@christianjames9667 so because he built a big studio you think that means something while not giving creative important jobs behind the camera? lol man black people love mediocre crap
Roxanne Golden this makes sense because of the bw he grew up with. His mentioned he watched his mother in a toxic, abusive relationship growing up even from a young age.
Roxanne Golden he doesn’t have characters in his movies only caricatures. He’s making a lot of money but he’ll never get my money because his movies are derivative.
@aimee glatt Classic for whom?! There is literally an age of kids that have seen Juice, The Color Purple, Poetic Justice, Menace to Society and Above The Rim... while never EVER seeing any of those plays. Era/classic means timeless. He is not. We are slowly moving on from those plays and he knows that. Why do you think he's saturating the industry with mediocrity?🤷🏾♀️
Let's be real: Tyler's success has everything to do with his pandering and perpetuation of negative stereotypes of black people. We have to ask the difficult question, had he been more willing to feature a different demonstration of blacks in his productions, would he be enjoying this level of success? Does he not exploit our plight in his productions , but dress them up fancy and repackage them, appealing to our deepest desires and hopes as a people (wealth, materialism)...just a rant...
Weird One Yes but now he is rich enough where he can start funding more indie films, more nice films with nuanced stories, he doesn’t have to keep doing the same movies and perpetuating the same stereotypes.
They don’t think they’re just movies. I lived with white southern girls who actually saw the plays. Their grandmas did too. One of them was shocked when I told her why I didn’t watch them. She said, “I just thought he did a good job of showing what black folk are like in the south. Especially Madea.” I had nothing else to say after that.
@@rra7490 thing is, he will. Keeping the same three profiles he has for every African-American/Black Women and Men. Look at all his plays and movies. There are like three or four different type of women characters he showcases and about three different type of male characters he portrays.
@@bribhoney WW especially enjoy his movies because this is the same demographic that crave repetitive lifetime scripts but some feel like they're now relating to black culture thru these movies. WM on average ridicule his movies.
yes it's mediocre content, and that's what bothers me because I feel like with all of his money and with all of his influence that he can write so much better!! like I'm rooting for him I have no galler hatred towards him at all I just feel like his stuff needs to be so much better!!
Tyler Perry has an ego as big as his head and he gives me a ‘stingy’ vibe. I’m happy for his success and enjoy some of his work, but a lot of his movies and shows show women in a bad light. They’re either abused, being cheated on, crazy, or ghetto-acting. And the fact he brags about filming a movie in 5 days show us he just doesn’t gaf, he’s all about the all mighty dollar. And best believe, Madea will be back I’ll give it a year. He should take notes with James Cameron, Spike Lee, and Stephen Spielberg, their work take years between movies but the quality is amazing when it comes out.
...and don’t forget, then by the end of the movie those women are punished by life or God or other people for being so mean or crazy. Oh yeah and even when they’re abused it’s their fault for not leaving (when a character said that out loud in his version of FCG my jaw dropped)
“Bruh” is my exact reaction to him writing all his scripts. It makes no damn sense that he’s being doing the same shit for 20 years. Unfortunately as long as the aunties keep watching that trash he’ll keep creating it
YEARS ago when Tyler Perry's movies first arrived on the scene I was excited and my exact thoughts were, "He has a lot of potential." My excitement over the years eroded into confusion, disappointment, and finally collapsed from exhaustion and rotted away into indifference. Not. One. Single. Bit. Of. Improvement. It's actually astonishing.
As a black female writer, this makes me SO angry. Because he’s someone who needs a writers room. Specifically, he needs black female writers in the room who can actually give the shows that extra effort. He has all of the power and resources to put black women in spaces that we typically aren’t. And he just...won’t. His ego is so big and what’s he got to show for it? Terrible dialogue and misogyny. Edit: Okay you definitely said this in the video already 😅 But still! He’s full of shit.
Ok but people shouldn’t be telling what others have to do on their business He fought his way up and he’s proud of the work he does and the success he receives specially doing all on his own. He’s an example that black people can make it too. His shows are acc good, no matter how much y’all hate him or wtever, he acc represents black culture and his work is filled with meaning.
I can dig it but we need MORE! Start from where you are and START BUILDING. Start building YOUR TEAM. We need MORE PERSPECTIVES. More VOICES. More HOUSES of CREATION. You're Young! Start BUILDING! THAT'S where we need to STOP WAITING.We got a MILLION HAIR SALONS, BARDER SHOPS & BEAUTY SALONS in our Neighborhoods like that's ALL we can do. Plant your Seed! WATER your Seed! We NEED MORE. Right now all we have is Tyler Perry speaking for us. THANK HEAVENS for DAVE CHAPPELLE.
What I'm really sick of is that if you criticize the quality of Tyler Perry's work, a significant number of people will fire back and accuse you of "classism".... as if his work is somehow fully 100% representative of working class black people or their tastes... and yes to that point about workaholics! Tired of humble braggers trying to shame ordinary people for not breaking their backs enough when most people are just working normal jobs and trying to survive.
@@lepetitangesf I'm not shaming anyone for liking Tyler Perry, I'm just saying that criticizing Tyler Perry's work does not mean you're a classist, it just means that you don't like his work. I thought Kim explained her criticism of him fairly well in this video, might wanna give it a watch.
“Why build your own table when you’re gonna be the only person sitting at it.” So true. Exclusion of other black creatives (especially the black women contributors he so desperately needs) should not be portrayed as a personal triumph.
Gugu Hlatshwayo can you really call him terrible when he’s this successful ? If that’s terrible I’ll take it, she’s sitting in her little room talking about it and meanwhile he’s sitting on over 600,000,000 dollars.... think about that. All his work isn’t amazing, but to say he’s terrible is.... not completely true.
@@jay_baby_lacy3911 That's my opinion. In my opinion his work is terrible. I never downplayed his success but that still doesn't change the fact that his work sucks.
Gugu Hlatshwayo Well that’s fine I think money speaks louder than words🤷🏾♀️ and I just thought terrible was an extreme word to use, but all to its own.
He could hire several writers. He has multiple shows. So many characters. So much that can be covered. I hope he can release his hold on this aspect of his business in 2020.
Beyoncé’s Coachella project was so moving because of the fact that she collaborated with so many talented people. We are not an island as humans. We need the input and insights from others to make everything in this life work. Tyler Perry needs to take a page out of Beyoncé’s book! Beautiful commentary as usual, Kim.
Sabrina Mobley not only just collaboration, but bringing people up and people with you especially those that are not usually lifted up and granted opportunities
Yes she kept acknowledging how much she LEARNED from everyone who was involved in that performance and I see that mentality in a lot of her behind the scenes stuff.
I actually appreciate him telling us so now we can understand why almost all his characters on all his shows are underdeveloped and the women roles make no sense 🤷🏾♀️.
For years we’ve been wondering why there aren’t more black writers in hollywood and now we know it’s because the most successful one refuses to make more seats at the table
Quality > quantity I’ve known for years that he writes all his own stuff. And it shows. The dialogue of his shows is so vapid and basic. You can hear the writers block in the dialogue. I do think his plays and some of his earlier films were much better quality, but he’s been out of his depth for years now.
This is also a big middle finger to all struggling writers, especially BLACK struggling writers when the window for success in the industry is already as small as it is. He really shot himself in the foot because even though he's set himself up as an example, he lowkey shut the door behind him by not giving those he's preaching to even a smidgen of his mass amount of resources that could go to young black creatives with real voices
Ninjarabbit yup, like I said before what was even the purpose of building a studio if you going to be the only person creating the content 😑; it’s so crazy to me that folks like Jordan peele, Ava, Daniel Washington, etc are taking first look deals for there production companies at studios like universal or paramount when Perry studio is right there 🤦🏾♀️; something tells me that tyler wants to be the only creative and voice that gets recognized with his work 😒 even though he desperately needs the help.
The oval is pretty bad, had to stop watching it. Sistas was......meh. His older shows and movies used to be better. I just don’t like the whole “angry/crazy black women” in EVERY movie 😒
Agreed! I only watched one episode of The Oval, and I stopped. The acting was ATROCIOUS, the plot sucks, and it was all over the place. Sistas is an ok show (I'd rather watch that than the Oval).
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 girl yessss! I was watching The Oval and was cringing at how bad it was.. everything you said was so on point! Bad wigs, cheap sets, everything.. all of his stuff is the same. That’s why he is rich because he’s not spending any money on production value
He could easily create an all black female writing room to take his genre to the next level and give a come up to black women. Quality, character and relevance are necessary from this point out. But in terms of hoarding, you make a really great point. We are constantly told there's very few opportunities in Hollywood for black centric projects and the few black people with power in the arena hold them close but I think we have to get past that point and as viewers be more vocal about what we expect from the people "At the table". More content like this please!!!!
last days if he does that he’d go down in history. Not only would he give jobs to actors and actresses but he’d give opportunity to black CREATIVES and that is the major key. I think he’s who people men when they say that there are gate keepers and blacks who aim to keep the next down.
last days well it should be the best person for the job. If we give a certain group a pass that’s just another way of debilitating people because they will rely on the gesture and consideration of others. No you must empower people.
"What's wrong with coming together with people who are just as creative and brilliant as you are?" Lol that would involve him thinking there are people that are creative and brilliant as he is.
Same - I didn’t want to repeat it too much back when I was watching Haves and the Have Nots because it was speculation on my part but this confirmed it
"You need some help, the TV shows and movies are horrible!" I'm glad i'm not the only one. The only Tyler Perry movie I enjoyed was Daddy's Little Girls.
By Tyler Perry claiming he can write from a Black woman’s perspective because he knows a lot of Black women is like some White people saying they’re not racist because they have a Black friend at work!!! I know how it is to work alongside a writing partner - they make you go deeper with your writing skills. Not just better but evolve. Vs being so independent and egotistic about putting out crappy work! Yes, it is a amazing that a Black man built his own movie studio campus but will he even allow other Black celebs produce movies/shows without his input??? I doubt it. I’m an older lady and I was done after his 3rd movie (or so) showing a Black woman being an addict or prostitute. His mantra of successful Black women (or very poor minded woman) is that all of them are selfish to the core. Stereotypical. Therefore Perry cannot write from a Black woman’s perspective because he can only relate to one aspect of what he has experienced. It’s obvious.
Ah, I see what your saying. Hmm, I think an more accurate example would be a white person thinking they can write accurately from a black perspective because they know black people. Either way, it doesn't read as authentic because you can think you empathize with another "type" of human (different skin color, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc) but everything will always be colored through the lens of your own experience, and that's okay... So long as you realize that your own lens is both a strength AND a limitation. Idk if Tyler Perry realizes that.
I'm so glad to hear you call out workaholism. I stopped being impressed years ago when I noticed that many workaholics just didn't want to go home. I don't know what was waiting for them there (problems with the spouse & kids, or an empty house, or a stack of unpaid bills, etc.), but it was clear they were at work to escape the rest of their life.
Especially educated bw who are portrayed as selfish, condescending, snobbish, mean women who don't value family. Also can someone convince him that not every black woman was molested? Some of us grew up on traditional homes.
@@olive6679 tyler is a deeply disturb man because he was molested by both men and women he said so himself. That why his movies always portray both black man and women in that way
@@olive6679 This is best shown in The Family That Preys; the daughter who went away and got educated and got a good cooperate job happens to be disrespectful to her mom, cheating, and greedy, so, of course, she had to get knocked down a peg, while her mother who pretty much gave up her life to have a family ends up rich and happy. The guy she was cheating with, his wife, who also did the stay at home mom thing, also ends up in a good place. Like, if that isn't a message of who is "good" and who is "bad", I don't know what does. And he does this over and over, too. Acrimony also did this. That character went to school and would have been successful, but she had a "mental illness" (and the way he wrote that shows he knows nothing about it, lol) and shacked up with some dude who sold her a bunch of false dreams and made her lose her house. Yet, he still ended up coming off as the good guy (by selling some old ass tech, lol) in the end? It was too much.
You know what I’ve noticed NONE of his employees (actors) say in their interviews “Tyler is an AMAZING writer” and there’s a reason. They only say he’s a great business man or a hard worker.
"If you get rich off the backs of a group you don't belong to, you have some added responsibilities." Powerful truth right there. This video is so quotable.
So many of those Madea movies burnt people out. Madea does this, Madea goes here, Madea's this and that. It became so repetitive. It reminded of the Earnest movies when I was a kid. Earnest goes to camp, Earnest get a Job, Earnest in space.
Which wouldn't have been terrible if he used it for funding to be better. But no, just churn out cheap product for the most cash. I'm sure it will keep him rich, but what will the value be in 10-20 years?
I’m actually embarrassed and surprised that he made that video, no one at his “level “feels the need to make a video like that, it speaks volumes about where he actually feels he stacks in this industry.
Tyler: I ain't got a writer's room...Work ethic. Kim: SIR! You need some help! 🤣🤣🤣 I've been complaining about the lack of growth for years. Like, bruh why are you not getting better? There should be some evidence of insight and craft development. 🤦🏾♀️
not to mention his work improving, but he'd also give a lot of other black writers an opportunity to get credit and improve their craft, and get into the business!
It works for him. He has accomplished a lot with what he has done. It's like you being successful and me or anyone saying that you shouldn't do it that way.
Unfortunately....since his works allowed him to open Tyler Perry Studios....he is VERY impressed by his work. Who is near him to tell him "you can do better"???
@Akeise Sample song writing and writing narrative scripts are different though. In a way you can say music represents an artist (even uf they bring in a sing writer...which isn't the sin people portray it as) but Tyler represents a "brand". So if TP produces multiple cheaply made works with all black faces, while he may be community supported by his audience, the perception outside of it is a degraded value of black performance and production as a whole. TP doesn't just affect TP. He isn't singing a song and that being seen as his character. He is creating portrayals of black community and since most people do not easily separate performers from performance, his writung comingvout of the mouths of black performers extends to a black culture world view that is much wider then a singer singing their own song. So not comparable.
I heard this is the reason him and Oprah got into it. He doesn't want to pay Union writers and is too big headed to realize he isn't good enough to do this by himself.
He's obviously good enough look at his net worth and he just built the biggest production lot on the planet. Black people love tearing other black people down boy.
Ppl can literally predict and Tyler perry play and movie . That’s not a good thing. I think 🤔 for him he should bring more ppl of color that are writers, they have many ideas and voices to add to the collective. Why have one voice when u can bring many to making a better vision towards the future.
@ lol Sad but true that's one of the reasons y that Tyler perry like Boondoocks episode u cant really find online because they put him down to a TTTTTTT
I agreed with you until you said women of color. We got to let that phrase go. "Women of color" do not go to bat for Black women. It's a phrase created by the democratic party to keep Black people from getting tangibles specifically for ourselves. To make us okay with having to share our tangibles with other non-White groups who DIDNT experience slavery alongside us and dont honestly care to help us now. Therefore, I couldnt care less about women of color. I want to see empowerment for BLACK women. Edit: your exact phrase was "people of color" not "women of color." Duly noted, but my overall point remains the same.
naries21 some Tyler Perry movie was on when I was at my dads house over the holidays. I was literally calling out, with accuracy, what would happen before it did. His movies are STALE.
Whew! The type of analysis I’ve been yearning for on the essence of Tyler Perry and what he does to and for the culture! I am oh so tired of people mistaking the critique of his “art” with an attack on him in totality. TP is not immune to criticism despite his appreciated efforts to help Black actors gain employment and his philanthropy. I actually have to wonder if offering opportunities to these Black actors somewhat hinders their career when other film professionals check their previous work to see the undeveloped, basic, and two dimensional pieces they’ve been forced to perform. Anyways, you said a meaningful mouthful and made one of the best summaries of how TP effects the community, thank you!
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In all those scripts will be one character that is concealing and holding a damaging secret that will bring out an emotional scene like no other...
Girl, I said he needs help at the same time you did. I'm glad he no longer has to worry about money but he should not be bragging about writing those script all by his self.
I stopped watching his movies after why did I get married and never got why but now I do. I have grown as a young black woman and he has not as a man that has the power to rep women like me.
It's easy to have that work ethic or be a workaholic if you have housekeepers, gardeners, nannies, personal assistants!
I could live more of my dreams too if someone else just did my laundry and cleaned my house!
The only thing Tyler writes about is cheating, angry black women, drugs, and abusive black men. I don't need to see anymore of his movies, thanks but no thanks Tyler.
And light skinned gardeners.
@@DJMoiyMoiy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 what?
PrettyBead WithaK I see you watch boondocks 😂
@@MozzieMutant looool
Good Lord I was just about to write this!
"Why build your own table if you're gonna be the only person sitting at it?" --- KIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dee Vah 🙄 He gives black people opportunity all the time
YES THIS IS EVERYTHING!!
@@ItsKatToria kim was talking specifically about the writing process
I literally snapped my fingers, cause... A WORD.
Always KatKat we are talking about his writing which is trash.
I can’t say this enough. The black community made Tyler Perry the mega star he is because we are so HUNGRY for black content that we will accept almost ANYTHING!
We desperately need more content creators to bring fresh stories.
Exactly!
Agreed
Are you going to see The Photograph? It looks good. I can’t wait
You're exactly right. I watch some of Tyler Perry's Shows not because I think they are good but because I love seeing black people on the screen and it's hard to find it. I'll snarl and sneer at how poorly a Tyler Perry show episode was put together and turn right around and watch it again next week because of that hunger for black representation.
Well we had Martin, Living Single, etc, you Gen X and Boomers let the network scrap the shit.
Tyler admitting that he does all the writing shows in the quality. Storylines are weak, and he always writes from HIS perspective of an issue.
@Neta Shm Right. I thought that he laid out the template and then others helped do a little of the work. Now it REALLY makes sense.
He has little or no experience in most topics he writes about and I don’t want to make assumptions but does he not like black women? He’s always punishing them with either toxic relationships or toxic mentalities. Same tropes
I wrote the same thing!
Girl yess.
Exactly!!!!!!!! I've been saying for the longest that he needs to hire more writers
Tyler Perry is not writing for the black women of today. He's writing for the women of yesteryear- the motherly figures that he was raised around.
You said this perfectly!
I suppose you're right. My mom and aunties love his movies. My dad and just about everyone else does not.
Yep
I dont think hes writing for them either. He has a severely limited view of us.
K. Floyd Because the women of today too busy shaking ass and being out in the clubs with ballers. Right?
It took Jordan Peele 10 years to write Get Out. It was brilliant. It takes time to make quality work. We should push the narrative of quality work and collaboration.
It wasn't really brilliant, it was ok
Ber Ca it was brilliant along with Us
That movie get out was ass, US was ass as well.🤷🏾♀️🗑🗑🗑
@@boogphilly8321 that’s your false opinion
It does take time to write, it even takes time to write some bullshit. He taking the blame for all the racist writers that write for and with him. Nobody can write all that shit that fast alone. He telling a damn lie.
Not to mention, he’s doing a disservice to himself and black people. Imagine how many black writers could have opportunities if he did hire a writers room. Imagine the content that could be created if he hired new black voices.
Iayana Elie right! A close knit team of of black writers that he personally curated would be more admirable to me. Tyler Perry’s perspective is lacking in many areas especially the female perspective.
I honestly wouldn't want to work with him cuz his overall vision is sh*t and like she said the production is awful. I watched a bit of The Oval and the acting is HORRIBLE.
That was my thought when he given an award at the BET Honors this summer. Why hasn’t Tyler Perry Studios been a place for a Bradford Young, a Hannah Beachler, a Barry Jenkins, or a Melina Matsoukas to thrive? Oh, I know why. Because it’s not about building up talented people behind the camera. No, it’s all about him.
Iayana Elie THIS!!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Weird how he has a show called "sistas" but doesn't have any black female perspectives contributing to making it
Sigh
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Like the character "Madea"😒 that was his perspective too.
Exactly
@@luvburden5743 Madea was based on his mother and aunts
The problem with Tyler Perry is that he is deeply insecure. By inviting other talented voices to sit at the table he built all by himself, he'll have to accept the fact that there are better writers and filmmakers who are better than him. All them stacks of scripts and shows and his product is still crap. I applaud him for building his own studio, and his many successes, but how long before people wake up and realize he's a one trick pony? He should be using his empire to create opportunities for other black and brown voices to express their talents, because quiet as it's kept we love other genres (sci fi, horror, action), besides the bafoonery he continues to produce
He's a narcissist and bringing in other writers will bruise his ego too badly, he can't take it.
"I don't know how people can find any fun in watching mindless films. If you want a peaceful rest, have a bath. Why go to the cinema?" - Korean director Park Chan-Wook
I've told several people in casual conversation that I didn't like his movies. One response I got was "Are you even black?". My blackness is not defined by crappy movies, thanks.
I cannot stand that! There are webseries on youtube I'd rather watch than to see another Tyler Perry movie
I've had that same conversation.
Black, WITH taste.
@@TyraHigh I'm gonna steal this. Now I know how to respond. Thanks!
Exactly!!!
“Imagine being just as bad at your profession at 50 as you were at 30” why does kim keep snatching people’s hairlines off 😩😩
Lmao. She was a mess for that but so true.
feeniix6 periodt
I live in Atlanta and I am surrounded by it, he always has something premiering somewhere. He does a lot of theater, small indie films, hes got stuff everywhere. The only reason I believe he does it all himself is because its all the same. Madea Goes to Get a Church's Sandwich, no thank you.
"why does kim keep snatching people’s hairlines off " lmao! Funniest line I've read/heard all week!
gisforgary sams. People down here sound brain washed and when you say something about the work being bad people are ready to fight. It’s that protection. They are so proud of him for being self made and employing black actors which is great but there’s no accountability for him to better his work.
He needs black female writer's who are open minded. Tired of stories from his old, male, toxic perspective 🙄
To all you women bashing Tyler Perry about him doing his own writing. If you have writing skills why don't you get together, put your thoughts and ideas together and write some stories, movies and TV shows that will get you paid, get your own studio and do something productive and we can support you as well!!!! GO TYLER!!!! GOD'S BLESSINGS!!!!
Mamasbaby Moore Why dont you actually listen instead of writing the same comments.
All he does is make the stereotypes of women and men, over and over, we get it, he likes to dress as a women. Its time to move on and write something new and fresh.
Akeise Sample That’s stupid and a huge generalization.
Akeise Sample Oh boo hoo, the man is rich, he can retire now with his millions and not work another day in his life. Movies are public so they will be open to criticism.
Akeise Sample He is not separate from his art, art is a part of who you are. So we criticize him and his movies, goes hand in hand.
He needs young, fresh writers. His storylines are always the same.
The reason Tyler writes everything himself is so that he doesn’t have to adhere to union rules with a writers room. He’s known for underpaying people. I have to find the link to the article so I’ll be back.
Commenting so I can see the update
@@iamabee4452 Me too😄
I read that article it's really sad and infuriating.
I’d like to read it
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His shows are horrible. I tried, I can’t.
Straight trash! The horrible weaves/wigs, pregnant pauses in the dialogue, repetitive dialog, the never ending background music. I can't support this garbage
House of payne was ight but i only liked uncle curtis lol. Teeeaaaddaataaaasuuuuup 😂
I never felt Madea at all though I understand the story lines
"Why build your own table when you're the only one sitting at it?" that was a mf word!
When the table is a desk lol.
So Tyler Perry has written a whole show called "Sistas" and had no "Sistas" in the writing room... mmkay.. 🤔😒
Ive always said that hes a mad black woman inside
That's how come that name never got changed. 🤣🤣🤣
I painstakingly watched the first season and issa a no for me.
The Dialogue is SOO BAD. I found it super forced and not natural which frustrates me immensely 😡😡😡😡😡
"I wrote these scripts all by myself" We can tell. We can really, REALLY tell
He knows the movies are bad. He just doesn’t care. Like if you want to see more black women in the writer’s room.
ade I’m a red blooded heterosexual black man. Even I want to see more of my sisters in the writers room. A fresh perspective will bring life to his production, and be able to actually HEAR what our women have to say.
Yes please
That’s why his writing is so predictable and lacks depth!
Phyllis H Agreed!!
My thoughts exactly. This comment should be pinned.
This!!!!!
Shonda rhimes doesn’t need to show her work on IG. cause she knows she’s excellent
Tracy D. She also not afraid to have writes to help her out either
period pooh.
Tracy D. Period!!!!!!!
Tracy D.
Much much better than Perry but not great.
Akeise Sample
Oprah is self-made too. Tyler’s work is mostly awful.
Tyler Perry: "I wrote all these in 2019"
80% of people: "I wish i had that kind of work ethic"
Any writer ever: "All those in a year? They must be garbage"
Right. There's just no way to put out that many scripts and for them to be good. I thought that was a pile of scripts he had written over a period of years. He said he wrote all of that in 2019. It's crazy that he sees that as a good thing. It means that one, you're a quantity over quality guy and two you're a psycho workaholic and have no balance to your life whatsoever. I'm not envying any of that.
@@marylandgirl9246 Exactly. And at the end of his clip he goes "work ethic!" as if he has a good amount. No. Pumping out trash script after trash script in a short amount of time does not qualify as good work ethic. In fact, it's the opposite. Clearly, he's not putting much thought or effort into a single piece which is why he's able to create so much
Agree!!! The creative process is difficult for even the most talented of people
Right? I've been working on a novel and I've been at it for almost a year. ONE book and I'm constantly reworking it and editing it and trying to make sure it actually makes sense. I know it's not a script, but at the same time, if you can do all that writing in a year, keeping multiple plots going, it makes me seriously question the quality of it.
When he bragged about making Acrimony in 8 days I gave up on him.
Hear, hear! Couldn't agree more. I respect his hustle but his "artistry" is piss poor.
MrHootiedean 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Agreed
It's easy to churn out a bunch of scripts when there's no quality control, and no one to tell you your ideas are terrible.
Wish I could give this 1,000 thumbs up!!
This was an entire sermon that Tyler NEEDS to hear.
Jennifer the one person who won’t hear it!!!
Even if he does hear it he will be too narcissistic to take it in.
Jennifer Yup!
@@AbianahTheGemini I was thinking that right before I saw your post..lol
Jennifer right...I hope someone shows this video to him
"I'm no longer impressed by people who work all the time. Just making a lot of stuff is not it. What are you making? What's the degree of difficulty?" YESSSS. So poignant. For music as well.
Agency in Repose that’s a really good point. I hadn’t considered that. I can respect what he’s done to change the status quo. But why continue to create subpar things after the fact? He clearly has an audience now and the funding and means to work with other talented people and make something exceptional. A lot of the mistakes he makes feel lazy or amateur for someone as successful as he is in the industry.
I do stand by that criticism for other creators who haven’t as much cultural impact though, like artists that crank out soulless music someone else has written for them just to chart or make money
I’ve worked there! I refuse to go back. The only thing “Mr. Perry” cares about is “Mr. Perry”. His goal is pushing out tons of product ( shows) as fast as he can for the least amount of money. This in turn keeps his crew members from making a healthy amount of money. He films entire seasons of His TV shows in 3 weeks and the Movies in a weeks (6 days) time. Meanwhile he cash’s in the same amount of money as if he shot the show over the typical amount of time it takes to shoot them ( 3 months for movies and 6-7 months for TV). In the meantime while you are there working, you are in constant fear of being fired for the most ridiculous of reasons. I’ve worked in this industry for 13 years now and was never more stressed, overworked and undervalued as I was working at TPS. I’m black and that should say something. 🤦🏽♂️
The business is likely still a start-up with lots of debt and inadequate financing partners and so it still needs to prove itself to more flushed investors. Cashflow is king. Just my speculation though.
Chad Butler uh yea, No!
G11713 but it's a start up with good financing. There would be no reason to cut filming schedules by 90%. Sounds like pure greed.
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Wow. Thanks for your comment!
Tyler Perry: I wrote all this by myself... I did ALL THIS!!!
Everybody: AND IT SHOWS MR. MADEA!!!🗣🗣🗣
omg yes. lolol
Hot doodoo water
Mr. Madea hahahahahhahaha
@@kkingmusic13 steaming hot
Lmao! Seriously. 😂
“They deserve quality. They deserve more than bad wigs. And repetitive storylines.” That took me clean out. 😹
Yesss 🤣🤣🤣
Girl i wasn't ready for her to call out the wigs
I’ve been saying this for years and everyone called me a hater
Anthony Johnson OMG you too! Nothing to hate on...the work is trash. People too often equate money with talent. They’re drastically different.
Me three!!!🤣🤣☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽 been saying these over the top stereotypical black women was getting on my nerves!!!
Spike Lee has been saying this as well and they called him a hater! Tyler Perry turned around and named a sound stage after him! 🐸☕️🤔🤔🤔🤔
@smkep Yes. I agree and I remember that exchange between the two. I thought that it was just me that felt the same about his movies, but Spike Lee’s commentary was quite accurate. I’m glad that they made up though.
Me too!! Been saying it for years. Low rent, lowest common denominator of entertainment
He basically is surviving on perpetuating the stereotype of us being sad, angry, no man needing, drug affected, workaholic...... I have yet to see a beautiful well adjusted woman in his movies, shows, plays. That's just my opinion.
ᴅᴇꜱʏ Please. There’s so many people that don’t watch his stuff now.
That’s what he grew up around.
ᴅᴇꜱʏ but y’all watch the white shows and movies that have well adjusted families
@@LiterallyTho You're right he built the biggest production studio in the world because no one watches his material. Damn you're dumb.
@@christianjames9667 so because he built a big studio you think that means something while not giving creative important jobs behind the camera? lol man black people love mediocre crap
My favorite quips on Twitter to Tyler was, "We can tell." Also, "They're all the same story." Twitter can NEVER be defeated! 😂😂😂
Mommykiki Twitter dragging Tyler Perry was the funniest thing I’ve seen this year so far
😂😂😂😂
I laughed far too long about this comment lmao!
Twitter home of the trolls🤣🤣🤣😎😎
I lost respect when he did not allow a black woman to direct For colored girls.
YEEESSS. that was such a low move of him like willingly taking away the opportunity of a girl that was ALREADy given the job. smh
I agree he has a messed up perspective regarding black women
Roxanne Golden this makes sense because of the bw he grew up with. His mentioned he watched his mother in a toxic, abusive relationship growing up even from a young age.
Lani K And his Mother once threatened his Aunty’s boyfriend with a gun because he was beating the Aunt.
Well, HIS black woman was horrific so.... but that's why you don't rely upon one perspective.
@@germyw Exactly
Roxanne Golden he doesn’t have characters in his movies only caricatures. He’s making a lot of money but he’ll never get my money because his movies are derivative.
"Tyler Perry is not Steive Wonder. He ain't gonna have no classic period." 🤣😆 FACTS.
@aimee glatt Classic for whom?! There is literally an age of kids that have seen Juice, The Color Purple, Poetic Justice, Menace to Society and Above The Rim... while never EVER seeing any of those plays. Era/classic means timeless. He is not. We are slowly moving on from those plays and he knows that. Why do you think he's saturating the industry with mediocrity?🤷🏾♀️
Let's be real: Tyler's success has everything to do with his pandering and perpetuation of negative stereotypes of black people. We have to ask the difficult question, had he been more willing to feature a different demonstration of blacks in his productions, would he be enjoying this level of success? Does he not exploit our plight in his productions , but dress them up fancy and repackage them, appealing to our deepest desires and hopes as a people (wealth, materialism)...just a rant...
Weird One Yes but now he is rich enough where he can start funding more indie films, more nice films with nuanced stories, he doesn’t have to keep doing the same
movies and perpetuating the same stereotypes.
Weird One I live in the south, and have seen two of his movies at the theater. White people -old and young alike- go and find them entertaining.
They don’t think they’re just movies. I lived with white southern girls who actually saw the plays. Their grandmas did too. One of them was shocked when I told her why I didn’t watch them. She said, “I just thought he did a good job of showing what black folk are like in the south. Especially Madea.” I had nothing else to say after that.
@@rra7490 thing is, he will. Keeping the same three profiles he has for every African-American/Black Women and Men. Look at all his plays and movies. There are like three or four different type of women characters he showcases and about three different type of male characters he portrays.
@@bribhoney WW especially enjoy his movies because this is the same demographic that crave repetitive lifetime scripts but some feel like they're now relating to black culture thru these movies. WM on average ridicule his movies.
"I write a hundred scripts a year"
Yeah and they're mediocre
At best tbh. He needs to reevaluate his work ethic.
yes it's mediocre content, and that's what bothers me because I feel like with all of his money and with all of his influence that he can write so much better!! like I'm rooting for him I have no galler hatred towards him at all I just feel like his stuff needs to be so much better!!
Mediocre at best. He needs new work ethic and new creative blood.
Some of his content is well below mediocre!!
@@jasminehill6312 a word AND a read 😂😂
I’m so sick of his horrendous portrayal of us. I’m glad someone’s calling him out thank you
The Women Are Worthy Network right
Be sick of the migos, Chris brown, etc they the ones that burn y’all up 🤷🏻♂️🤣
Tyler's "classic" period was his plays, and even those were problematic
Asia Henry 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not that I don’t disagree but how
He’s the fast fashion of the movie industry
Right for black Hollywood he's McDonald's while Barry jenkins is red lobsters
LMAOOOOO
Wheres the lie?? I'm stealing this🤣🤣!!
Facts! I’m MUCH more willing to buy something from Fashion Nova is than Tyler anytime soon.
No, but seriously!!!
Sounds like he's keeping jobs from aspiring young black writers to me.
skittzmusic facts!
Exactly!
People are saying that he has writers he doesn't pay
skittzmusic imagine that💫
Lauren he had writers and when they wanted to unionize to get paid their worth he fired them.
Tyler Perry has an ego as big as his head and he gives me a ‘stingy’ vibe. I’m happy for his success and enjoy some of his work, but a lot of his movies and shows show women in a bad light. They’re either abused, being cheated on, crazy, or ghetto-acting. And the fact he brags about filming a movie in 5 days show us he just doesn’t gaf, he’s all about the all mighty dollar. And best believe, Madea will be back I’ll give it a year.
He should take notes with James Cameron, Spike Lee, and Stephen Spielberg, their work take years between movies but the quality is amazing when it comes out.
...and don’t forget, then by the end of the movie those women are punished by life or God or other people for being so mean or crazy. Oh yeah and even when they’re abused it’s their fault for not leaving (when a character said that out loud in his version of FCG my jaw dropped)
“Bruh” is my exact reaction to him writing all his scripts. It makes no damn sense that he’s being doing the same shit for 20 years. Unfortunately as long as the aunties keep watching that trash he’ll keep creating it
Not the aunties!! 😂😂😂😂
We need more female writers in music, in movies, in everything.
They're out there, but sadly many of them don't get the recognition they deserve.
@ YAH loves y'all and wants you guys to know him 🙏💕
Having good female writers will make a difference
Having female writers will only push this FEMINIST agenda which is DESTROYING this society
Tyler unfortunately is a prime example of quantity over actual quality when it comes to his work
"Nobody writes my scripts."
Duh, bro. It shows.
Renita lol
😩😩😩
We been knew
Lol
YEARS ago when Tyler Perry's movies first arrived on the scene I was excited and my exact thoughts were, "He has a lot of potential." My excitement over the years eroded into confusion, disappointment, and finally collapsed from exhaustion and rotted away into indifference. Not. One. Single. Bit. Of. Improvement. It's actually astonishing.
Moni Muppet I started noticing it when he brought house of pain back and I wasn’t watching his work like that...I had seen a few
"why build your own table if you're going to be the only one sitting at it?" THIS!!!!!!!!!
As a black female writer, this makes me SO angry. Because he’s someone who needs a writers room. Specifically, he needs black female writers in the room who can actually give the shows that extra effort. He has all of the power and resources to put black women in spaces that we typically aren’t. And he just...won’t.
His ego is so big and what’s he got to show for it? Terrible dialogue and misogyny.
Edit: Okay you definitely said this in the video already 😅 But still! He’s full of shit.
Excaaaaaaaaactly
Periodt
Ok but people shouldn’t be telling what others have to do on their business
He fought his way up and he’s proud of the work he does and the success he receives specially doing all on his own.
He’s an example that black people can make it too.
His shows are acc good, no matter how much y’all hate him or wtever, he acc represents black culture and his work is filled with meaning.
@@popoff2116 no
I can dig it but we need MORE! Start from where you are and START BUILDING. Start building YOUR TEAM. We need MORE PERSPECTIVES. More VOICES. More HOUSES of CREATION. You're Young! Start BUILDING! THAT'S where we need to STOP WAITING.We got a MILLION HAIR SALONS, BARDER SHOPS & BEAUTY SALONS in our Neighborhoods like that's ALL we can do. Plant your Seed! WATER your Seed! We NEED MORE. Right now all we have is Tyler Perry speaking for us. THANK HEAVENS for DAVE CHAPPELLE.
What I'm really sick of is that if you criticize the quality of Tyler Perry's work, a significant number of people will fire back and accuse you of "classism".... as if his work is somehow fully 100% representative of working class black people or their tastes... and yes to that point about workaholics! Tired of humble braggers trying to shame ordinary people for not breaking their backs enough when most people are just working normal jobs and trying to survive.
AND all he writes about are these people working normal jobs and trying to survive. So sir.... Why are you shaming the very people you write about
@@lepetitangesf I'm not shaming anyone for liking Tyler Perry, I'm just saying that criticizing Tyler Perry's work does not mean you're a classist, it just means that you don't like his work. I thought Kim explained her criticism of him fairly well in this video, might wanna give it a watch.
"Why build your own table if you're going to be the only person sitting at it" Nailed it!
Issa Rae barley came out and her show “ insecure “ is better then all of his shows
and to add to that..... Issa had other writers at her table for said Insecure.
Speaking of Insecure, when does the new season start?
@@DaughterofZion1440 spring of 2020 I believe. I think theyve wrapped filming late last year.
Ackee23 Shonda Rhimes is a great example too of that. I wished she had used poc instead of White men to make her point.
Trevon Smith y’all be over hyping her ass to the show ain’t that good it’s str8
"I wrote all of my shows myself." Oh. So that's why it's all repetitive and uninteresting...
BINGO AMIGO
“Why build your own table when you’re gonna be the only person sitting at it.” So true. Exclusion of other black creatives (especially the black women contributors he so desperately needs) should not be portrayed as a personal triumph.
Tyler Perry's ego won't allow him to hire talented writers. He has done amazing for himself but he is a terrible writer, producer and director
Gugu Hlatshwayo can you really call him terrible when he’s this successful ? If that’s terrible I’ll take it, she’s sitting in her little room talking about it and meanwhile he’s sitting on over 600,000,000 dollars.... think about that. All his work isn’t amazing, but to say he’s terrible is.... not completely true.
@@jay_baby_lacy3911 That's my opinion. In my opinion his work is terrible. I never downplayed his success but that still doesn't change the fact that his work sucks.
Gugu Hlatshwayo Well that’s fine I think money speaks louder than words🤷🏾♀️ and I just thought terrible was an extreme word to use, but all to its own.
Jay_baby _lacy
If money is all that matters, when we measure the quality of someone’s work, then “Fifty Shades of Grey” is amazing literature.
haggisa 🤷🏾♀️well shooot people was all over it 😂😂 must of been good enough
He could just hire a good black writer who is the next peele
Or just the next something else.
Peele is half white...
@@sergeygladkov1718 okay? And Tyler could hire black writers
Michael Charalambous black enough to be pulled over for no reason
He could hire several writers. He has multiple shows. So many characters. So much that can be covered. I hope he can release his hold on this aspect of his business in 2020.
in terms of QUALITY over quantity, Shonda is the black Aaron Spelling
Lord my beloved Black Men don't want to be held accountable
Can we just acknowlegde Shonda Rhymes as Shonda Rhymes without comparing her achievements to a white male.
Shonda Rhymes produces quality while Tyler Perry produces quantity.
Beyoncé’s Coachella project was so moving because of the fact that she collaborated with so many talented people. We are not an island as humans. We need the input and insights from others to make everything in this life work. Tyler Perry needs to take a page out of Beyoncé’s book! Beautiful commentary as usual, Kim.
It takes a village and that will always be true. No man is an island. Tyler wants to be an island.
Well Beyonce did claim she wrote music that people like neo example wrote 🤷🏾♀️ ...very disappointing, but it happens all over the industry.
Sabrina Mobley not only just collaboration, but bringing people up and people with you especially those that are not usually lifted up and granted opportunities
Yes she kept acknowledging how much she LEARNED from everyone who was involved in that performance and I see that mentality in a lot of her behind the scenes stuff.
And I remember when people complained about her not writing on one of her albums. She hired all writers.
I was like "Dude, you NEED a writer's room."
Artistli pretty sure he would just stack his room with sloppy writers though instead of talent
Me, after taking 20 consecutive dumps in a day: "Work Ethic!"
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Lmao
💀I choked😂🤣
Is he controlling?
Is he greedy?
Is he selfish?
Does a duck quack?
Yes, YES, YESSSSSS
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Adebola Oyeku AFLAC!!
@@BritniNotBrittany 😂😂😂😂
@@BritniNotBrittany 🤣 I'm done.
LOOOOL 😂😂😂
I actually appreciate him telling us so now we can understand why almost all his characters on all his shows are underdeveloped and the women roles make no sense 🤷🏾♀️.
He definitely needs a female prospective
Tyler has amassed a fortune but seems like he's still operating from a place of lack...
Good point.
Hmmm. Great point. Never looked at it that way, but I agree.
preach
Comment is 2 years old, but yes!, he's operating as if he's still homeless, with no one to turn to, and could lose it all any minute.
For years we’ve been wondering why there aren’t more black writers in hollywood and now we know it’s because the most successful one refuses to make more seats at the table
Quality > quantity
I’ve known for years that he writes all his own stuff. And it shows. The dialogue of his shows is so vapid and basic. You can hear the writers block in the dialogue. I do think his plays and some of his earlier films were much better quality, but he’s been out of his depth for years now.
He recycles his writing SO MUCH😑
This is also a big middle finger to all struggling writers, especially BLACK struggling writers when the window for success in the industry is already as small as it is. He really shot himself in the foot because even though he's set himself up as an example, he lowkey shut the door behind him by not giving those he's preaching to even a smidgen of his mass amount of resources that could go to young black creatives with real voices
Ninjarabbit yup, like I said before what was even the purpose of building a studio if you going to be the only person creating the content 😑; it’s so crazy to me that folks like Jordan peele, Ava, Daniel Washington, etc are taking first look deals for there production companies at studios like universal or paramount when Perry studio is right there 🤦🏾♀️; something tells me that tyler wants to be the only creative and voice that gets recognized with his work 😒 even though he desperately needs the help.
The oval is pretty bad, had to stop watching it. Sistas was......meh. His older shows and movies used to be better. I just don’t like the whole “angry/crazy black women” in EVERY movie 😒
Agreed! I only watched one episode of The Oval, and I stopped. The acting was ATROCIOUS, the plot sucks, and it was all over the place. Sistas is an ok show (I'd rather watch that than the Oval).
Ashley D yassss👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I also tried a half episode of The Oval. It's incredibly bad. I admire his work ethic. But I'm kinda ashamed of his shows now.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 girl yessss! I was watching The Oval and was cringing at how bad it was.. everything you said was so on point! Bad wigs, cheap sets, everything.. all of his stuff is the same. That’s why he is rich because he’s not spending any money on production value
@AMANDA TUCKER It's basically a bad knockoff of Scandal.
He could easily create an all black female writing room to take his genre to the next level and give a come up to black women. Quality, character and relevance are necessary from this point out. But in terms of hoarding, you make a really great point. We are constantly told there's very few opportunities in Hollywood for black centric projects and the few black people with power in the arena hold them close but I think we have to get past that point and as viewers be more vocal about what we expect from the people "At the table". More content like this please!!!!
last days if he does that he’d go down in history. Not only would he give jobs to actors and actresses but he’d give opportunity to black CREATIVES and that is the major key. I think he’s who people men when they say that there are gate keepers and blacks who aim to keep the next down.
i so agree
last days Thank you for saying this!! It doesn’t make any sense why he doesn’t incorporate more black creatives especially writers
Issa Rae comes to mind.
Robin Thedes
last days well it should be the best person for the job. If we give a certain group a pass that’s just another way of debilitating people because they will rely on the gesture and consideration of others. No you must empower people.
Tyler’s work is bad, he’s a hard worker and I’m so proud of him but he needs to outsource the writing.
And the directing too.
Jonathan Doelander I agree.
And the hiring of actors, quit dressing up as a woman Tyler, sheesh.
“...why build a table when you’re going to be the only person sitting at it!” 👏🏽Powerful point👏🏽
"What's wrong with coming together with people who are just as creative and brilliant as you are?"
Lol that would involve him thinking there are people that are creative and brilliant as he is.
And then paying them
BOOM!! 🎆🎆🎆
Uh-oh, double KaBOOM!!! 🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆
I honestly could tell he was writing all that boring mess.
Exactly..no surprise there
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Same - I didn’t want to repeat it too much back when I was watching Haves and the Have Nots because it was speculation on my part but this confirmed it
Money doesn't always buy quality. Sometimes it just buys a massive mess.
"You need some help, the TV shows and movies are horrible!" I'm glad i'm not the only one. The only Tyler Perry movie I enjoyed was Daddy's Little Girls.
I feel that he needs additional assistance; coz his writing skills are always weak from the beginning of his career.
By Tyler Perry claiming he can write from a Black woman’s perspective because he knows a lot of Black women is like some White people saying they’re not racist because they have a Black friend at work!!!
I know how it is to work alongside a writing partner - they make you go deeper with your writing skills. Not just better but evolve. Vs being so independent and egotistic about putting out crappy work!
Yes, it is a amazing that a Black man built his own movie studio campus but will he even allow other Black celebs produce movies/shows without his input??? I doubt it.
I’m an older lady and I was done after his 3rd movie (or so) showing a Black woman being an addict or prostitute. His mantra of successful Black women (or very poor minded woman) is that all of them are selfish to the core. Stereotypical. Therefore Perry cannot write from a Black woman’s perspective because he can only relate to one aspect of what he has experienced. It’s obvious.
taylor 915 yessss 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Ah, I see what your saying. Hmm, I think an more accurate example would be a white person thinking they can write accurately from a black perspective because they know black people.
Either way, it doesn't read as authentic because you can think you empathize with another "type" of human (different skin color, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc) but everything will always be colored through the lens of your own experience, and that's okay... So long as you realize that your own lens is both a strength AND a limitation.
Idk if Tyler Perry realizes that.
Mic drop. You said it!
I'm so glad to hear you call out workaholism. I stopped being impressed years ago when I noticed that many workaholics just didn't want to go home. I don't know what was waiting for them there (problems with the spouse & kids, or an empty house, or a stack of unpaid bills, etc.), but it was clear they were at work to escape the rest of their life.
His movies give me the impression that he has a deep inner dislike of Black women.
I've always felt that. Every movie has a woman being punished for something.
Yes! I agree 😩
Especially educated bw who are portrayed as selfish, condescending, snobbish, mean women who don't value family. Also can someone convince him that not every black woman was molested? Some of us grew up on traditional homes.
@@olive6679 tyler is a deeply disturb man because he was molested by both men and women he said so himself. That why his movies always portray both black man and women in that way
@@olive6679 This is best shown in The Family That Preys; the daughter who went away and got educated and got a good cooperate job happens to be disrespectful to her mom, cheating, and greedy, so, of course, she had to get knocked down a peg, while her mother who pretty much gave up her life to have a family ends up rich and happy. The guy she was cheating with, his wife, who also did the stay at home mom thing, also ends up in a good place. Like, if that isn't a message of who is "good" and who is "bad", I don't know what does. And he does this over and over, too. Acrimony also did this. That character went to school and would have been successful, but she had a "mental illness" (and the way he wrote that shows he knows nothing about it, lol) and shacked up with some dude who sold her a bunch of false dreams and made her lose her house. Yet, he still ended up coming off as the good guy (by selling some old ass tech, lol) in the end? It was too much.
You know what I’ve noticed NONE of his employees (actors) say in their interviews “Tyler is an AMAZING writer” and there’s a reason. They only say he’s a great business man or a hard worker.
Why does Sistas look like a remake of Girlfriends?
Cause it is
Cheap imitation😑
A bootleg version of it...🐸☕️
People keep saying that but Sistas is NOTHING like Girlfriends.
There are even some script tags that were directly taken from Sex and the City. Ridiculous!
"If you get rich off the backs of a group you don't belong to, you have some added responsibilities." Powerful truth right there. This video is so quotable.
Kelsey Grammer made better shows for black people than Tyler Perry has.
JcGrOoVeZ damn, he did🤣🤣
What did Kelsey make?
Aria Alexandria Girlfriends
@@ariaalexandria3324 Girlfriends, The Game.
Not gonna say all that now
So many of those Madea movies burnt people out. Madea does this, Madea goes here, Madea's this and that. It became so repetitive. It reminded of the Earnest movies when I was a kid. Earnest goes to camp, Earnest get a Job, Earnest in space.
Which wouldn't have been terrible if he used it for funding to be better. But no, just churn out cheap product for the most cash. I'm sure it will keep him rich, but what will the value be in 10-20 years?
I’m actually embarrassed and surprised that he made that video, no one at his “level “feels the need to make a video like that, it speaks volumes about where he actually feels he stacks in this industry.
Tyler: I ain't got a writer's room...Work ethic.
Kim: SIR! You need some help!
🤣🤣🤣
I've been complaining about the lack of growth for years. Like, bruh why are you not getting better? There should be some evidence of insight and craft development. 🤦🏾♀️
When you censor a Boondocks episode over their parody of your work shows what’s in your character and I’ll tell what it isn’t. Jesus.
David Popovich Boondocks was written better than ANYTHING he’s ever done!
I agree. He’s bad. He should get a writer’s room PER show!
not to mention his work improving, but he'd also give a lot of other black writers an opportunity to get credit and improve their craft, and get into the business!
“Why build your own table if you’re gonna be the only one sitting at it” - that’s the case and point right there 👏🏾
“Because the work is BAD!” 🤣🤣🤣 Straight up.
“I did it all myself “ we know trust me we know
He needs to invest in a writing course with all the money he has he shouldn’t be producing the kind of content he does
It works for him. He has accomplished a lot with what he has done. It's like you being successful and me or anyone saying that you shouldn't do it that way.
Tyler Perry is legit acting hella narcissistic or egotistical.
I felt the same way. I was telling my self, "Now, I know why they all sound and look the same." Ugh
Tyler Perry: I wrote all of these scripts myself
The world: And it shows 😪
Unfortunately....since his works allowed him to open Tyler Perry Studios....he is VERY impressed by his work. Who is near him to tell him "you can do better"???
Akeise Sample I agree with you but what Tyler is doing should also be classified as “real poison”
@Akeise Sample Why are we comparing a film producer to music artist?
@Akeise Sample song writing and writing narrative scripts are different though. In a way you can say music represents an artist (even uf they bring in a sing writer...which isn't the sin people portray it as) but Tyler represents a "brand". So if TP produces multiple cheaply made works with all black faces, while he may be community supported by his audience, the perception outside of it is a degraded value of black performance and production as a whole. TP doesn't just affect TP. He isn't singing a song and that being seen as his character. He is creating portrayals of black community and since most people do not easily separate performers from performance, his writung comingvout of the mouths of black performers extends to a black culture world view that is much wider then a singer singing their own song. So not comparable.
I heard this is the reason him and Oprah got into it. He doesn't want to pay Union writers and is too big headed to realize he isn't good enough to do this by himself.
He's obviously good enough look at his net worth and he just built the biggest production lot on the planet. Black people love tearing other black people down boy.
@@christianjames9667 naw..the quality is terrible. He is successful and rich but that doesn't mean he is perfect. He can be criticized.
yet he's been wildly successful ok lol
@@ilikeknives1000 because black folk are desperate for content that represents us not because they're great work lol.
Ppl can literally predict and Tyler perry play and movie . That’s not a good thing. I think 🤔 for him he should bring more ppl of color that are writers, they have many ideas and voices to add to the collective. Why have one voice when u can bring many to making a better vision towards the future.
Yes they all end with someone getting HIV
@ lol Sad but true that's one of the reasons y that Tyler perry like Boondoocks episode u cant really find online because they put him down to a TTTTTTT
@@naries21yes that one had me ROLLING
I agreed with you until you said women of color. We got to let that phrase go. "Women of color" do not go to bat for Black women. It's a phrase created by the democratic party to keep Black people from getting tangibles specifically for ourselves. To make us okay with having to share our tangibles with other non-White groups who DIDNT experience slavery alongside us and dont honestly care to help us now. Therefore, I couldnt care less about women of color. I want to see empowerment for BLACK women.
Edit: your exact phrase was "people of color" not "women of color." Duly noted, but my overall point remains the same.
naries21 some Tyler Perry movie was on when I was at my dads house over the holidays. I was literally calling out, with accuracy, what would happen before it did. His movies are STALE.
Whew! The type of analysis I’ve been yearning for on the essence of Tyler Perry and what he does to and for the culture! I am oh so tired of people mistaking the critique of his “art” with an attack on him in totality. TP is not immune to criticism despite his appreciated efforts to help Black actors gain employment and his philanthropy. I actually have to wonder if offering opportunities to these Black actors somewhat hinders their career when other film professionals check their previous work to see the undeveloped, basic, and two dimensional pieces they’ve been forced to perform. Anyways, you said a meaningful mouthful and made one of the best summaries of how TP effects the community, thank you!