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I was so annoyed with The Office when Mindy’s character “Kelly” left her Indian Doctor boyfriend/husband and ran off with Ryan (the white man) who treated her like trash for years.
@baileyb2934 I'm near-sighted... Did I read that right? Mindy Kaling's character left her Indian born husband, a doctor for a white guy who treated her like trash? Recently I learned we have a phrase for that:"She's for the streets." To do something like that? Yeah she's definitely for the streets, like WTF?
As a late 80s and early 90s kid, I was so spoiled when it came to representation growing up - there were so many positive black musicians, actors, and shows, it truly was a time. I was so happy when when stuff picked back up in 2015. I watched Blackish at first, but it was very clear the target audience was for white people, especially the longer the show went on.
ISSA RAE and Jordan Peel come to mind first. Literally my favorite recent looks at the black experience and just representing black people in a way that is not always playing into stereotypes or "being made for white people" Peel is just talented period but he also takes nuanced views of blackness and using a black cast that is always darker skinned black people. Putting black people into horror movies and thrillers as main characters and having good writing and set ups. It's amazing and much needed. And the cast he uses is so purposeful that I can't imagine his stories told through any other lense and that is what is needed. Issa gives us black people who are different shades and sizes. Black people doing things and experiencing things that people do and experience but from a lense of black young adults. She lets her characters be awkward, be immature, be successful, be insecure, feel a range of things, explore new things, have unique issues and personalities that can exist inside and outside of a racial perspective because they are black people and that is what black people are. If you're show or movie is using stereotypes to fill in your black characters personalities then do not call it representation or good writing (unless it's done purposefully and handling in that way). Black people can be stereotypical, but it still comes from somewhere, it's not inherently there. Give us actual characters like Issa does.
If we're gonna give J Peele praise (and he definitely deserves some) gotta give him some criticism too. Some of his and Keegan's early work on comedy central hasn't aged all that well. Especially his skits on black women 😬😬.
@@kyladanae people need to give Michaela her flowers. Top Boy, Black Mirror, Chewing Gum, Black Earth Rising, I May Destroy You and now Black Panther. Whether she's acting writing or directing she kills it every time.
Tyler Perry is just something else, he gives me the ick. I hate that he also overworks his staff and pays them so little money. It's probably one of the reasons why he doesn't have a writers room, mans is stingy AF.
Agreed. I’ll give him credit where’s due. I’m conflicted on critiquing POC creators because white creators have gotten away with what they did for so long. But at the same time, their work can be better
I agree he doesn’t have writers he does everything himself because he said no one does it right video I watched was on black feminine tv Fall from Grace apparently was done in two weeks or something and it definitely shows smh
Only speaking on mindy because I'm south asian: she's got internalized colorism issues. It's a huge thing in our community for sure, dark skinned south asian women are always put down, told to bleach our skin or not stay out in the sun, we are always passed over as romantic preferences only for SA men to marry WW or much lighter skinned sa women (their mothers are the worst culprits because they're the matchmakers ugh). Proximity to whiteness, etc. There's outright anti-black racism in our communities, there is no shying away from that but she's not unpacking how anti blackness ties in to colorism and that its a lose-lose for everyone. She handled her own character so poorly i didn't expect any other character to be any better. She's desperate for the white feminists on tv to accept her.
I gave Mindy grace with her characters on the Office and the Mindy show. But after watching her following shows with Never have I Ever and Sex Lives of College Girls, the pattern was loudly obvious. I didn't need to watch Velma.
Dark skin women who are Black and dark skin women who are Indian, South Asian, Latino, Japanese, Chinese, Aboriginal, Kiwi, etc, etc....we should keep TEAMING UP.
In 2008 that’s when all the good black shows were canceled and they got rid of black women and replaced them with mixed women. I was so annoyed I didn’t notice until 2012. I was like why is the dark skin girl older or a mean girl. The mixed girl was always desirable sweet and nice. To make it worse they would try to pass mixed women as being fully black by having dark skin parents. The dark skin man was always with a mixed girl in tv shows and movies as well. It’s a joke.
Every Kenya Barris project hits you over the head that he's got a point to make about race and blackness in particular, and every one of them ends up as a pronouncement that "light skin and upper class black folks are black too" set before a background of tired stereotypes and with a dash of hand-holding white viewers through Very Special Learning Experiences.
Maybe that’s all he can write about because that’s all he knows. And he is a mixed race man. So it makes sense why he would only cast biracial/mixed people or ambiguous black people. That’s his experience so that’s what he cast. 🤷🏽♀️ write your own stories if you want representation.
@Zhaniya My criticism isn't that I'm not represented in his work. It's that his work is shallow and has a fake deep thing going on. I'm not making a moral judgment here, I think he just isn't a good storyteller since he has such a limited imagination / range of life experiences and not all that much to say.
@@MissAmeriNegro even by that logic both you and Kenya are still wrong because he goes out of his way to try talk about experiences that aren't his all the damn time. He doesn't need anyone else making flimsy ass excuses for him.
@@La-PetitMort her and Ava, all Ava is good is making black history films as evident that a wrinkle in time bombed at the box office AND was critically panned.
Was sent by Yhara zayd and I loved this vid. I was a teenager in the mid-90s and Living Single as well as Moesha were my shows! It kills me that we used to see representation in the mainstream, but now it has become more tokenism. Representation, and more importantly good representation, only seem to mostly exist in indie projects. This unholy POC trinity just makes it harder for good stories about POC to get told because unfortunately, these three are popular with white people and keep perpetuating bad stereotypes
Love and Basketball was not a good representation of black love or black positivity. That boy treated that girl bad from the start at childhood into adulthood and only really chose her once his height had past and he wasn't that hot no more and that's too many black girls reality. Wanting to be with the man and the man treating her like rubbish and only choose her in the end when he no longer has the accolades he has anymore
@@Ciaramissygirl same here I never understood why so many BW loved that movie. I hated how stuck she was on him despite all the success she had. He broke up with her for following her curfew and was with a new girl the next day. It’s like girl have some dignity about yourself.
Yesssss, Mindy Kaliningrad always has the poc woman letting WM treat her like crap essentially. They be falling all over themselves for that WM and it’s so embarrassing to watch.
Tbh a lot of people with melanin act like this. Look at all the tv shows, Perfect Match, Love Island, etc. So many poc say “I don’t date (insert their ethnicity)” as if it’s normal. Especially in spaces that are predominantly white. I’ve learned that Mindy writes from that very real lived experience that her and so many other brown and black people live through. It’s annoying because it just assumes that everyone is attracted to white men when most people date within their own culture. It’s ridiculous
Literally the first thing I said when I saw that Mindy lost her weight was I bet she was sad that there wasn't a white woman under the fat. I felt like the Mindy project was actually a project to see how many white actors she could kiss. That being said, as an author, I write what I know. My female black leads are nerds like me and I do usually write them into interracial relationships because that's what I know. I don't, however, bash black or brown women or men. My black female leads aren't dealing with generational trauma. They're only black because they are. Their race and the race of their partners doesn't drive the story. A love story is a love story. My goal has always been to show people of color, especially women, as more than the stereotype. My book also has an Asian man who isn't a secondary character, he's slightly aggressive, handsome, and deeply in love with a black woman. All things that go against what some people believe Asian men to be.
As a fellow writer, THIS! I have a black man in a relationship with a white woman, however they started out as comrades first and foremost. The only reason they even got together was because they were the only ones to really understand each other’s pain (besides the MC’s bff, but she’s gay so no romance/feelings there). I truly feel that relationships should be natural and in a lot of books I’ve seen, the love interests get together after a few months of knowing one another (barely) and are instantly in love… huh? A lot of times it just seems that interracial couples are there to fulfill the writer’s internal bias without there actually being purpose. I’m so glad that not only are you giving a voice to fellow minorities but you’re making interracial relationships that have IMPORTANCE rather than simply to fill a quota. Would love to read/sample some of your work!
You hit on such an important point when you say that you write what you know, and part of that is women of color in interracial relationships. That's actually what Kaling stated about her writing in a recent interview. As is the case with your writing, the race of many of her protagonists (and that of their partners) isn't what drives the whole story. Which is very refreshing! Y'all definitely see eye to eye about many things
my first experience with him was Madea Goes To Jail, knowing only that it was advertised as a comedy and then being thrown as a young child by how it suddenly shifted into drama
I couldn't finish Black AF. The characters were too unlikabale to me. I saw the parents (the mother in particular) as knowingly being bad parents, but they didn't care enough to try to change that. What really got me mad was when the older daughter talked about the sexualization of Black girls and talks to her mother about it, but it was only to manipulate the mother to allow her to continue to film the family.
Finally someone who acknowledges the plethora of black representation in the 90s. As a black guy who grew up in the 90s ignoring this irritates me something fierce when I hear the sentiment of "I didn't see a lot of black representation growing up." Especially from 90s kids, which has me like:"Where TF were you during the 90s?" For real, while I didn't need representation in media to feel validated, it seemed the hands of fate felt it necessary to expose me to all of the representation anyway. Seriously from Power Rangers to movies like Independence Day, it felt like there wasn't a movie, T.V. show, or cartoon without black representation in it. It was crazy.
These three writers project their emotional dysfunction onto their characters. None of these characteristics of disqualify you from writing comedy, or being a comedian, they’re neither an asset or a hinderance in and of themselves. But when you weaponise comedy to justify them, through micro aggressive, express low-key bigotry, and vitriolic rage subtext as opposed to healing or addressing the issues they create in a healthy way, Even if success comes, it ends up being toxic, unfulfilling, and/or self-destructive, and creativity suffers greatly as a result.
The best writers filter their traumas, anxieties and insecurities through their characters. The problem is when the characters are not more than a bundle of those things, when they don’t feel like fully fleshed out human beings. These are also writers that don’t truly confront their issues through their storytelling. They use their writing to placate themselves (and their audience) instead. While honestly, both Tyler and Barris are just lacking from a fundamental storytelling ability standpoint.
Great video but one correction. Blacula was not the first black horror movie. Black horror movies were being made since in the 1940's. Son of Ingagi is a black horror sci-fi movie from 1940 and Lucky Ghost was a haunted house movie made in 1942. (I reviewed both as well as other black horror movies that came out before and after Blacula.)
My fault I meant to say that “Blacula” was the first Black horror film during the blaxploitation era. Directed by Williams Crain, the movie was a hit at the box office and depicts the first Black vampire on the silver screen. I hope that clears that up !
You can do this with every single example. Alejandro Jodorowsky was making cult films long before _Agueda Martinez: Our People, Our Country._ Same goes for Asian cinema, I didn't hear a single drop of Akira Kurosawa. The legitimacy of Non-White films shouldn't be measured by an Academy Award nomination. If you can't find films from before the 1970's, you're omitting 5 or more decades of history.
@@Shockguey True on Kurosawa or even Yasujiro Ozu. Perhaps the channel owner didn't do enough research for those examples seeing as they might be beyond her scope and were sadly, more of background filler information than actual content.
the first time I watched Kenya Barris show about his family I was high on shrooms so I thought it was an intentional unveiling of "house slave" mentality and how we worship light skinned people. I cried lol I thought he was being so vulnerable, now I realize I just broke the 5th wall and im afraid to watch again lol
A great watch. Thank you and welcome back to RUclips🙌🏾‼️ Edited: if I had to pick a favorite area of movies/tv shows, it’ll be the 90s’ and 00s.’ It’s hard to pick one era😭
Jordan Peele blows my mind as a horror fan. I grew up watching Mad TV after school on Comedy Central. When I saw Get Out and US .... Omg Peele is going to be one of the horror names people remember for a long time. I mean up there with Carpenter or King films. Like I bet our kids and grandkids generations will still be watching his work as teens trying to scare a friend or date lol
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This turned up in my home feed. So did Closer By NIN But It's Funkytown By Lips (a truly blursed and confusing recommendation from the algorithm) but this seems a lot more relevant and cool. I write this comment to increase the chances others may get the joy of surprise new youtuber blessing their feed and don't know if the algorithm cares about length of comment but waffling just in case. Boost boost boost
putting this on my WL while staring at my family's collection of like. All of Tyler Perry's plays my mom (being a black mom) denies she ever liked them in the first place
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I also want to say that brown girls also suffer heavily from colorism and being portrayed as masculine, much like black and Mindy have certainly perpetuated these things
Incredible video, thank you so much for making it. My channel co-creator uploaded a video on NHIE that touches on a lot of this, although approaches it more from a perspective of relating to the insecurities, struggles, and sentiments of the main character. As a half-Indian second-gen myself, I do think there is value in recognizing that some desi people have insecurities stemming from their color and culture, especially in a white (and systemically racist) world. Ironically I and most other south Asians would agree this insecurity is more often seen in guys than women lol. But the problem with Mindy's work is she often lets these insecurities go unchallenged, and even throws other POC under the bus to make herself look "better", or really whiter, in comparison. This is where you get into colorism...and don't even get me started on the islamophobia --__-- I will donate to the PayPal too, this is such a great cause. I wish I lived in Alberta so I could come! It's so great you're using your platform to help like this
I think Mindy Kaling has a hard time expressing growing up in America because she grew up with extreme wealth, going to Buckingham Browne & Nichols School one of the top k-12 private schools in the USA. I like her regardless of that fact ♥I'm assuming when I say this, I assume wealth makes it hard to relate to other people.
"assume"? As someone who grew up within privilege, I completely agree. I was thrust into elite world right as a little kid based on my educational triumph. Good schs, scholarships, and I observed the wealthy- to know they live in a different total world black white or asian or arab or native. Rich kids who grow up just create their fantasies as creative liberty, and are unable to pull in deep on nuanced complex issues like race relationsk
I hope you're getting tons of subscribers from Yhara Zayd's plug; this is an interesting and informative video. I've subscribed and can't wait to see more
Not just Issa on RUclips, but Black & Sexy TV! They used to make incredible series, with great stories, terrific actors, and the entire spectrum of Blackness. All on RUclips! I miss it 😭😭😭
I was at a film festival once where Charles Burnett was in attendance. I told him my theory that the Dot Com Bubble bursting caused corporate Hollywood to pull back on diversity programming because there wasn't a lot of money to throw around on smaller or mid-range stuff with minority creators for audiences the white executives felt weren't profitable enough for their margins. I asked him if he found credence to it and he said "no." He said it was changes in the distribution practices, but he didn't elaborate much. I still think personally that it had to do with a recession making corporate Hollywood skittish about spending money on diversifying their programming.
A bit late. However, the main reason why a lot of people of color began to be cut from movies in the 2010s is due to the expansion of Hollywood over to Chinese audiences. China began to economically grow so much that their population held as much say in our movies as US audiences did. The problem is that they really don't enjoy seeing black actors. So much so that Black Panther had to REMOVE OR COVER all black people from the posters. This isn't to remove all of the blame from Western viewers, but that is why I believe our shows and movies began to regress a little from the decent representation of the 1990s and 2000s
I think as more POC entertainment creators emerge we are seeing a diverse representation. Each POC doesn’t have to be all inclusive in all their projects.
I’m not sure who the writers or directors are for Grand Crew, but it is the first show with black characters in a long time that makes me belt out laughing ! I like seeing black people be silly and fun with healthy friendships !
my favorite films are, more likey than not, from the 80s!! i feel this era, these 2020s-2030is pretty similar to the existential crisis of the 80s (at least, in america) so far so it’s very fascinating to watch movies from then
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This is why Issa Rae is a BOSS. Showcasing Black women and men in complex ways,especially dark skin women
And monoracial dark skinned women at that? We need more Issas
@@randombrokeperson we really do!
A BOSSSSSSSSSSD
Issa and Donald are our king and queen 😂🙌
Excellent point! Thank you for mentioning Issa Rae!
I was so annoyed with The Office when Mindy’s character “Kelly” left her Indian Doctor boyfriend/husband and ran off with Ryan (the white man) who treated her like trash for years.
Kelly was always an annoying (sometimes entertaining) character
chiiile! that was crazy asf
@baileyb2934
I'm near-sighted... Did I read that right? Mindy Kaling's character left her Indian born husband, a doctor for a white guy who treated her like trash?
Recently I learned we have a phrase for that:"She's for the streets." To do something like that? Yeah she's definitely for the streets, like WTF?
To be fair there wasn't the point that that was ridiculous and that she's an idiot
Don’t forget she left her black bf in the warehouse who treated her very well for the same shitty white guy.
As a late 80s and early 90s kid, I was so spoiled when it came to representation growing up - there were so many positive black musicians, actors, and shows, it truly was a time. I was so happy when when stuff picked back up in 2015. I watched Blackish at first, but it was very clear the target audience was for white people, especially the longer the show went on.
How can you tell that the target audience was for white people. What is wrong with the target audience being for white people?
The title tells you that💀 no black person says they are blackish
What are those shows with positive representation???
@@bubbles4897 Cosby Show, Family Matters, In Living Color, Martin, Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, to name a few
@@jamesonblues nah keep going
ISSA RAE and Jordan Peel come to mind first. Literally my favorite recent looks at the black experience and just representing black people in a way that is not always playing into stereotypes or "being made for white people"
Peel is just talented period but he also takes nuanced views of blackness and using a black cast that is always darker skinned black people. Putting black people into horror movies and thrillers as main characters and having good writing and set ups. It's amazing and much needed. And the cast he uses is so purposeful that I can't imagine his stories told through any other lense and that is what is needed.
Issa gives us black people who are different shades and sizes. Black people doing things and experiencing things that people do and experience but from a lense of black young adults. She lets her characters be awkward, be immature, be successful, be insecure, feel a range of things, explore new things, have unique issues and personalities that can exist inside and outside of a racial perspective because they are black people and that is what black people are.
If you're show or movie is using stereotypes to fill in your black characters personalities then do not call it representation or good writing (unless it's done purposefully and handling in that way). Black people can be stereotypical, but it still comes from somewhere, it's not inherently there. Give us actual characters like Issa does.
If we're gonna give J Peele praise (and he definitely deserves some) gotta give him some criticism too. Some of his and Keegan's early work on comedy central hasn't aged all that well. Especially his skits on black women 😬😬.
Michaela coel as well she’s not American but she’s still a good writer and tells complex stories.
@@kyladanae people need to give Michaela her flowers. Top Boy, Black Mirror, Chewing Gum, Black Earth Rising, I May Destroy You and now Black Panther. Whether she's acting writing or directing she kills it every time.
@@othelliusmaximus she's actually one of my favourite writers
@@othelliusmaximus yes she’s so good and inspiring. is she in Top Boy?
Mindy Making’s brother pretended to be black to get into med school, feel like there’s some real self-hatred/racism in that family.
Yikes! You wouldn't be wrong.
Dude even shamelessly wrote a whole book about it 💀it's so weird
I had no clue that was her brother lol
*bombastic side-eye*
@@_SHOLISCO_ *intergalactic side eye*
Tyler Perry is just something else, he gives me the ick. I hate that he also overworks his staff and pays them so little money. It's probably one of the reasons why he doesn't have a writers room, mans is stingy AF.
Agreed. I’ll give him credit where’s due. I’m conflicted on critiquing POC creators because white creators have gotten away with what they did for so long. But at the same time, their work can be better
I agree he doesn’t have writers he does everything himself because he said no one does it right video I watched was on black feminine tv
Fall from Grace apparently was done in two weeks or something and it definitely shows smh
Where he said that?
Say u don't like him, his shows etc....but to call him stingy is a stretch.
Only speaking on mindy because I'm south asian: she's got internalized colorism issues. It's a huge thing in our community for sure, dark skinned south asian women are always put down, told to bleach our skin or not stay out in the sun, we are always passed over as romantic preferences only for SA men to marry WW or much lighter skinned sa women (their mothers are the worst culprits because they're the matchmakers ugh). Proximity to whiteness, etc. There's outright anti-black racism in our communities, there is no shying away from that but she's not unpacking how anti blackness ties in to colorism and that its a lose-lose for everyone. She handled her own character so poorly i didn't expect any other character to be any better. She's desperate for the white feminists on tv to accept her.
Wow only men but definitely not women
I don't know how you people deflect
I have never seen a Mindy Kaling like series by south asia men
If we really hate dark skinned women there would shows on how dark skinned women are ugly
But it's not only for women it's also for men and men generally don't speak about this in public like women
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same
Same!
Yeah great creators recognizing great creators. But also because we Tyler Perry haters.
Same
Yhara
off topic, but ur soo beautiful! also yes, tyler perry's obsession w/ black women suffering is exhausting
excited for this one, tyler perry always left a weird taste in my mouth
Tell me about it 😂😂
I gave Mindy grace with her characters on the Office and the Mindy show. But after watching her following shows with Never have I Ever and Sex Lives of College Girls, the pattern was loudly obvious. I didn't need to watch Velma.
Same! Crazy how she writes some of the most unlikeable characters and ppl give her a pass because shes Indian.
i think it’s weird how much she disliked her role in the office just to recreate the same character in other shows it makes no sense
@@kindletrapper33 It makes you think..
@@Shay416 uh the Indians ARE NOT giving her a pass lol
Dark skin women who are Black and dark skin women who are Indian, South Asian, Latino, Japanese, Chinese, Aboriginal, Kiwi, etc, etc....we should keep TEAMING UP.
'I laughed, I cried, it moved me bob' VeggieTales still has some good one-liners 🤣
Excellent vid 🤎
OH MY GOODNESS 😭 I think you’re like the first person who got that reference 🤧 I appreciate the support! Thank you ✨
@SHOLAYY all that's left of my Roman Catholic past, a few random Larry the cucumber lines and a French peas accent 🙃 just subscribed, great content 👍🏼
THANK YOU I was hoping someone else caught the reference lol. That and the "God made you special and he loves you very much" 💕💕 my childhood
In 2008 that’s when all the good black shows were canceled and they got rid of black women and replaced them with mixed women.
I was so annoyed I didn’t notice until 2012. I was like why is the dark skin girl older or a mean girl. The mixed girl was always desirable sweet and nice. To make it worse they would try to pass mixed women as being fully black by having dark skin parents.
The dark skin man was always with a mixed girl in tv shows and movies as well.
It’s a joke.
Mean Dark Skin Black Girl???
Black Boy being one upped by white/white-ish girl???
So basically... Wednesday, amirite??
@@dreiaparratt787 I refuse to watch that show 😅 it’s not for me. I stick to the 90s Adams Family.
You look mixed tho. You'll be classified as mixed too if you weren't american
You hit the nail on the head by calling his shows "Infomercials for WP".
"I'm not gonna retraumatize myself" girl, RELATABLE. Happens to me with mysogniny too, I get it, sometimes it's just too painful to watch
Every Kenya Barris project hits you over the head that he's got a point to make about race and blackness in particular, and every one of them ends up as a pronouncement that "light skin and upper class black folks are black too" set before a background of tired stereotypes and with a dash of hand-holding white viewers through Very Special Learning Experiences.
Maybe that’s all he can write about because that’s all he knows. And he is a mixed race man. So it makes sense why he would only cast biracial/mixed people or ambiguous black people. That’s his experience so that’s what he cast. 🤷🏽♀️ write your own stories if you want representation.
@Zhaniya My criticism isn't that I'm not represented in his work. It's that his work is shallow and has a fake deep thing going on. I'm not making a moral judgment here, I think he just isn't a good storyteller since he has such a limited imagination / range of life experiences and not all that much to say.
@@MissAmeriNegro he is not mixed race
@@MissAmeriNegro even by that logic both you and Kenya are still wrong because he goes out of his way to try talk about experiences that aren't his all the damn time. He doesn't need anyone else making flimsy ass excuses for him.
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Issa Rae, Lena Waithe, Ava DuVernay, and Jordan Peel have curated top tier cinema
It's such a shame that this generation really only has a handful of creators to point to when it comes to representation
Stella Meghie as well
I'll pass on Lena Waithe but the others are golden.
As a person who actually watches movies, this sounds to me like a rap enthusiast hears someone say "Yeah, I love Eminem and Kanye".
@@La-PetitMort her and Ava, all Ava is good is making black history films as evident that a wrinkle in time bombed at the box office AND was critically panned.
the algorithm blessed me with this vid!
NO WAYYY 🙈🙈
Was sent by Yhara zayd and I loved this vid. I was a teenager in the mid-90s and Living Single as well as Moesha were my shows! It kills me that we used to see representation in the mainstream, but now it has become more tokenism. Representation, and more importantly good representation, only seem to mostly exist in indie projects. This unholy POC trinity just makes it harder for good stories about POC to get told because unfortunately, these three are popular with white people and keep perpetuating bad stereotypes
Love and Basketball was not a good representation of black love or black positivity. That boy treated that girl bad from the start at childhood into adulthood and only really chose her once his height had past and he wasn't that hot no more and that's too many black girls reality. Wanting to be with the man and the man treating her like rubbish and only choose her in the end when he no longer has the accolades he has anymore
omfg i spent so long searching for a comment saying this! i hate that damn movie!!! idk why it gets so much hype bc it's really just not good..
@@Ciaramissygirl same here I never understood why so many BW loved that movie. I hated how stuck she was on him despite all the success she had. He broke up with her for following her curfew and was with a new girl the next day. It’s like girl have some dignity about yourself.
Yesssss, Mindy Kaliningrad always has the poc woman letting WM treat her like crap essentially. They be falling all over themselves for that WM and it’s so embarrassing to watch.
Tbh a lot of people with melanin act like this. Look at all the tv shows, Perfect Match, Love Island, etc. So many poc say “I don’t date (insert their ethnicity)” as if it’s normal. Especially in spaces that are predominantly white. I’ve learned that Mindy writes from that very real lived experience that her and so many other brown and black people live through. It’s annoying because it just assumes that everyone is attracted to white men when most people date within their own culture. It’s ridiculous
Mindy Kaliningrad 😭😭
Literally the first thing I said when I saw that Mindy lost her weight was I bet she was sad that there wasn't a white woman under the fat. I felt like the Mindy project was actually a project to see how many white actors she could kiss. That being said, as an author, I write what I know. My female black leads are nerds like me and I do usually write them into interracial relationships because that's what I know. I don't, however, bash black or brown women or men. My black female leads aren't dealing with generational trauma. They're only black because they are. Their race and the race of their partners doesn't drive the story. A love story is a love story. My goal has always been to show people of color, especially women, as more than the stereotype. My book also has an Asian man who isn't a secondary character, he's slightly aggressive, handsome, and deeply in love with a black woman. All things that go against what some people believe Asian men to be.
Your books sound interesting. I'm always looking for something new to read. What name are they under?
Same!
As a fellow writer, THIS! I have a black man in a relationship with a white woman, however they started out as comrades first and foremost. The only reason they even got together was because they were the only ones to really understand each other’s pain (besides the MC’s bff, but she’s gay so no romance/feelings there). I truly feel that relationships should be natural and in a lot of books I’ve seen, the love interests get together after a few months of knowing one another (barely) and are instantly in love… huh? A lot of times it just seems that interracial couples are there to fulfill the writer’s internal bias without there actually being purpose. I’m so glad that not only are you giving a voice to fellow minorities but you’re making interracial relationships that have IMPORTANCE rather than simply to fill a quota. Would love to read/sample some of your work!
I'd love to read your book
You hit on such an important point when you say that you write what you know, and part of that is women of color in interracial relationships. That's actually what Kaling stated about her writing in a recent interview. As is the case with your writing, the race of many of her protagonists (and that of their partners) isn't what drives the whole story. Which is very refreshing! Y'all definitely see eye to eye about many things
Me hearing the mention of Romeo Must Die: *Slumps in my chair and sighs* Yeah Aliyah was taken from us way too soon... :(
School Daze, made me want to go to college. Love this commentary video you made. It is well researched and entertaining🌸
Honestlyyyyy Spike Lee did amazing! Thanks so much for your support 🤞🏾
Thank you so much for finally pushing me to watch Abbott Elementary! Love your vid, cant wait to see more!👊🏻
I feel like whoever directed PValley did a bomb ass job too that was a good one
Right! I am DYING to see the 3rd season
Living Single was a superior version of Friends. Fight me.
Kinda disrespectful to even refer to it as a “version of friends.” Let’s not even do that.
my first experience with him was Madea Goes To Jail, knowing only that it was advertised as a comedy and then being thrown as a young child by how it suddenly shifted into drama
How come no one ever mentions moonlight as an amazing POC film :c it's an amazing story.
I actually had a clip of it in the video, can you guess which one it was
Yesss Berry Jenkins is also another wonderful writer and director! Moonlight was an amazing story
You know why.
Yara zayd sent me, happy to be here!!
Black and poc horror movies have been in the spotlight as of recently, and are killing it.
Thank you for the recommendations for POC directors to keep up with!
I couldn't finish Black AF. The characters were too unlikabale to me. I saw the parents (the mother in particular) as knowingly being bad parents, but they didn't care enough to try to change that. What really got me mad was when the older daughter talked about the sexualization of Black girls and talks to her mother about it, but it was only to manipulate the mother to allow her to continue to film the family.
Finally someone who acknowledges the plethora of black representation in the 90s. As a black guy who grew up in the 90s ignoring this irritates me something fierce when I hear the sentiment of "I didn't see a lot of black representation growing up." Especially from 90s kids, which has me like:"Where TF were you during the 90s?"
For real, while I didn't need representation in media to feel validated, it seemed the hands of fate felt it necessary to expose me to all of the representation anyway. Seriously from Power Rangers to movies like Independence Day, it felt like there wasn't a movie, T.V. show, or cartoon without black representation in it. It was crazy.
ON GOD! you even had black women of ALL shades in black music videos lol 90's was EVERYTHING!
Let’s not pretend many of those didn’t have negative stereotypes of dark skin black women. Even on Martin w/ Pam vs Gina
These three writers project their emotional dysfunction onto their characters. None of these characteristics of disqualify you from writing comedy, or being a comedian, they’re neither an asset or a hinderance in and of themselves. But when you weaponise comedy to justify them, through micro aggressive, express low-key bigotry, and vitriolic rage subtext as opposed to healing or addressing the issues they create in a healthy way, Even if success comes, it ends up being toxic, unfulfilling, and/or self-destructive, and creativity suffers greatly as a result.
The best writers filter their traumas, anxieties and insecurities through their characters. The problem is when the characters are not more than a bundle of those things, when they don’t feel like fully fleshed out human beings. These are also writers that don’t truly confront their issues through their storytelling. They use their writing to placate themselves (and their audience) instead. While honestly, both Tyler and Barris are just lacking from a fundamental storytelling ability standpoint.
Great video but one correction. Blacula was not the first black horror movie. Black horror movies were being made since in the 1940's. Son of Ingagi is a black horror sci-fi movie from 1940 and Lucky Ghost was a haunted house movie made in 1942. (I reviewed both as well as other black horror movies that came out before and after Blacula.)
My fault I meant to say that “Blacula” was the first Black horror film during the blaxploitation era. Directed by Williams Crain, the movie was a hit at the box office and depicts the first Black vampire on the silver screen. I hope that clears that up !
@@_SHOLISCO_ Yes! I agree. Again, great video. Keep up the good work!
Tx! Can't wait to check these out!
You can do this with every single example. Alejandro Jodorowsky was making cult films long before _Agueda Martinez: Our People, Our Country._ Same goes for Asian cinema, I didn't hear a single drop of Akira Kurosawa.
The legitimacy of Non-White films shouldn't be measured by an Academy Award nomination. If you can't find films from before the 1970's, you're omitting 5 or more decades of history.
@@Shockguey True on Kurosawa or even Yasujiro Ozu. Perhaps the channel owner didn't do enough research for those examples seeing as they might be beyond her scope and were sadly, more of background filler information than actual content.
The title alone had me hooked ! Thank you for this
A fall from grace looked like a dhar man video 😭
I say "it moved me bob" all the time, knowing full well nobody around me will understand
Mindy has written two memoirs. In the second, she jokingly wrote she worshipped whiteness. I guess she wasn't joking.🤔
the first time I watched Kenya Barris show about his family I was high on shrooms so I thought it was an intentional unveiling of "house slave" mentality and how we worship light skinned people. I cried lol I thought he was being so vulnerable, now I realize I just broke the 5th wall and im afraid to watch again lol
I would love to be on those shrooms if im ever forced to watch a k*nya b*rris show
A great watch. Thank you and welcome back to RUclips🙌🏾‼️
Edited: if I had to pick a favorite area of movies/tv shows, it’ll be the 90s’ and 00s.’ It’s hard to pick one era😭
Jordan Peele blows my mind as a horror fan. I grew up watching Mad TV after school on Comedy Central. When I saw Get Out and US .... Omg Peele is going to be one of the horror names people remember for a long time. I mean up there with Carpenter or King films. Like I bet our kids and grandkids generations will still be watching his work as teens trying to scare a friend or date lol
Yhara brought me here. Liked and subscribed before watching.ooking forward to hearing review.
8:16 Love this. So many people lump the 90 and early 00s with the mess that is the late 00s and early 10s
This video was recommended to me after watching another video. I'm just commenting early to say -- sheesh! You're so beautiful! And this hair on you is phenomenal! Between the cute shirt, hairstyle and light makeup beat- it's giving 90's natural beauty
I’ve never immediately subscribed after watching just one video! Your video is amazing
This turned up in my home feed. So did Closer By NIN But It's Funkytown By Lips (a truly blursed and confusing recommendation from the algorithm) but this seems a lot more relevant and cool. I write this comment to increase the chances others may get the joy of surprise new youtuber blessing their feed and don't know if the algorithm cares about length of comment but waffling just in case. Boost boost boost
Your voice is soooo soothing!!!
Thumbnail so accurate I had to click... Feels like anti clickbait🔥❤️
im so ready for this
I hope you liked it ✨
Where is spike Lee in this. He has an interesting placement of women characters in many of his films
I don't know if it was this video's title or thumbnail, but I went ahead and subscribed before even watching this video. I cannot wait!
Your intro was everything!! Loved that editing excited to watch
Don't even get me started on the bad wigs that Tyler Perry has on his actors/ actresses 🙄🙄🙄
Thank you for working hard on making this video!
THAT MEANS LOT, THANK YOUUUU
putting this on my WL while staring at my family's collection of like. All of Tyler Perry's plays
my mom (being a black mom) denies she ever liked them in the first place
every yt person I know who loves Madea is weird af
When referring to these three, poc should stand for “problems of color”
😂😂😂
That's why I love Mississippi Masala for the good reason. ❤❤❤❤
i fw all of these creators and applaud them for telling their stories. if you want a different narrative then YOU create your own tv shows/movies.
we needed this😂👏🏾thank you so much
Hey sis 👋🏽
Just poppin in to say hey, hello, how you?! I’m a new subscriber and I’m liking what I see! Just wanted to wish you continued success on your RUclips journey.
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i really enjoyed this video! great job :)
I also want to say that brown girls also suffer heavily from colorism and being portrayed as masculine, much like black and Mindy have certainly perpetuated these things
I came to the operation homeless on April 1st and it was a great congregation of both black pride and the helping of our community ❤❤
Glad someone is calling them out
Incredible video, thank you so much for making it. My channel co-creator uploaded a video on NHIE that touches on a lot of this, although approaches it more from a perspective of relating to the insecurities, struggles, and sentiments of the main character. As a half-Indian second-gen myself, I do think there is value in recognizing that some desi people have insecurities stemming from their color and culture, especially in a white (and systemically racist) world. Ironically I and most other south Asians would agree this insecurity is more often seen in guys than women lol. But the problem with Mindy's work is she often lets these insecurities go unchallenged, and even throws other POC under the bus to make herself look "better", or really whiter, in comparison. This is where you get into colorism...and don't even get me started on the islamophobia --__--
I will donate to the PayPal too, this is such a great cause. I wish I lived in Alberta so I could come! It's so great you're using your platform to help like this
Martin and The Proud Family pushed colorism… HARD. So I find it odd that you’re giving them flowers.
Will share flowers (but they will b wilted)!
I think Mindy Kaling has a hard time expressing growing up in America because she grew up with extreme wealth, going to Buckingham Browne & Nichols School one of the top k-12 private schools in the USA. I like her regardless of that fact ♥I'm assuming when I say this, I assume wealth makes it hard to relate to other people.
"assume"? As someone who grew up within privilege, I completely agree. I was thrust into elite world right as a little kid based on my educational triumph. Good schs, scholarships, and I observed the wealthy- to know they live in a different total world black white or asian or arab or native. Rich kids who grow up just create their fantasies as creative liberty, and are unable to pull in deep on nuanced complex issues like race relationsk
I hope you're getting tons of subscribers from Yhara Zayd's plug; this is an interesting and informative video. I've subscribed and can't wait to see more
THANK YOUUUU
Jesus cameo at the end threw me off there. 😂
Netflix's Entergalactic also has good representation of black characters. Too bad I haven't seen many people talking about it. 😔
YESS, THAT MOVIE WAS GREAT !! Kid Cudi did his THANG frfr
Not just Issa on RUclips, but Black & Sexy TV! They used to make incredible series, with great stories, terrific actors, and the entire spectrum of Blackness. All on RUclips! I miss it 😭😭😭
Lawful Evil: Work Ethic!
Neutral Evil: The entirety of that 'You People'.
Chaotic Evil: 420 means adults who still watch cartoons.
I was at a film festival once where Charles Burnett was in attendance. I told him my theory that the Dot Com Bubble bursting caused corporate Hollywood to pull back on diversity programming because there wasn't a lot of money to throw around on smaller or mid-range stuff with minority creators for audiences the white executives felt weren't profitable enough for their margins. I asked him if he found credence to it and he said "no." He said it was changes in the distribution practices, but he didn't elaborate much.
I still think personally that it had to do with a recession making corporate Hollywood skittish about spending money on diversifying their programming.
A bit late. However, the main reason why a lot of people of color began to be cut from movies in the 2010s is due to the expansion of Hollywood over to Chinese audiences. China began to economically grow so much that their population held as much say in our movies as US audiences did. The problem is that they really don't enjoy seeing black actors. So much so that Black Panther had to REMOVE OR COVER all black people from the posters.
This isn't to remove all of the blame from Western viewers, but that is why I believe our shows and movies began to regress a little from the decent representation of the 1990s and 2000s
What?! That’s so fucked up!
I think as more POC entertainment creators emerge we are seeing a diverse representation. Each POC doesn’t have to be all inclusive in all their projects.
Well done 👏🏿
this is amazing content
I feel like Tyler Perry does alot of stereotypes in his movies which is not ok
Great Video
I’m not sure who the writers or directors are for Grand Crew, but it is the first show with black characters in a long time that makes me belt out laughing ! I like seeing black people be silly and fun with healthy friendships !
Late reply but YES! I absolutely loved that show! I'm glad someone else does too!
Love the video. Educate yourself on the “Uncle Tom” reference though. He was not what people thought. Sambo was the sell out.
Mo money?! That's a good movie. Blankman? Boomerang. The Wayans Bros and Eddie Murphy were just doing amazing on the 90s
I’m weak at this thumbnail 😂
lmao the age of TikTok enlightenment
21:22 Not a Veggie Tales reference 😂
Blade was my favorite movie from the 90's - Wesley Snipe action movies was an experience ❤
my favorite films are, more likey than not, from the 80s!! i feel this era, these 2020s-2030is pretty similar to the existential crisis of the 80s (at least, in america) so far so it’s very fascinating to watch movies from then
I would love to hear your viewpoint on Issa Rae's writing and how she makes black representation amazing in her own way and how it relates to us.
Tyler Perry haters unite! 💪⚔️🏹
Not Taraji…Tyler introduced Sofia Vegara (Modern Fam fans need to be made aware of this)
When I came here from Yhara zayd, I was not expecting a deepcut Veggietales reference
I was never ready. Never
My cousin was on young and the restless and guest starred in a lot of 90s and early 2000s shows and even the temptation movie
lmaoooo at the title
I have nothing to add or say, just a comment for the algorithm
This deserve way more views! You’re so amazing, so happy to see you back ☺️