Karphi (Karfi): Minoan Site that survived Bronze Age Collapse
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2023
- In the 12th century BCE, the world of the Bronze Age had violently collapsed, and with it, the Mycenaean Greece. However, the remnants of the once flourishing Minoans withdrew to their peak sanctuaries and managed to survive the subsequent period. In this video, we talk about the site of Karfi.
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A video about Karfi, a great idea, keep surprising us!
It was long overdue!
Another great one, the misteries of life during the collapse are always on our minds.
@@binladen-ci7jm oh yeah, cause you lived trough all of that, I bet. You were killed in that cave and regressed as a servant in kemet
@@binladen-ci7jm I dont care
@@binladen-ci7jm spot on, kid, Im typing in sumerian
@@binladen-ci7jm ok, now go play
We are witnessing ours right now. But it is needed for the Pheonix to rise up from the ashes.
I used to live on Crete for years, and thought i knew all the important sites ,but i have never heard of these places in the mountains before.
Very fascinating!! 🤓 thank you for great presentation.
Like Americans in Americans days of old, "'One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies."' (Tit. 1:12 KJV)
@@varghessmith2985 Cretans had no use for Paul's nonsense, and it wasn't long before Athens gave him the bum's rush too.
I did not know that the Minoans survived that long, take that Mycenae.
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Actualy it is estimated that 9% of cretan population today is eteocretan
They'll never white us out completely. Look at Barcelona
At the mountain Dikti there is the Karfi top and the Katharo plateau.I think that's the original words for the Egyptian and Assyrian names for Cretans,Kieftiu and Kaptaru.
Slope of nouns
Το καρφί - του καρφιού (the Karfi - of Karfiou)
To Καθαρό- του Καθαρού (the Katharo - of Katharou)
The top of Karfi = Η κορυφή του Καρφιού
Κatharo plateau = Οροπέδιο Καθαρού
Katharo is itself a wild beautiful place tucked away in Lasithi and includes the unique "Church of Ariadne"!
Όλα αυτά θα είχαν νόημα αν τα Μινωικα ήταν μυκηναικα-δεν ξέρουμε τι ήταν. Είναι πολύ τραβηγμένη η υπόθεση σας. Ποιος μας λέει ότι Καρφί και Καθαρό ήταν οι αρχικές ονομασιες; κάνεις.
@@johnnyplatis We do know that Minoans were not Mycenaeans, it would be like saying Etruscans were Romans.
It was a gradual transition, to say it was a violent collapse is an overstatement….. keep in mind this happened over centuries .
We'll done.
I love your presentation style and all the facts
Excellent doc. Learned new stuff 🙂
Thank you so much for the amazing videos!
Great video! Thank you!
Glad you like it!
Awesome!
Good presentation. Good narrative. Very interesting.
Please don't show a Classical Greek temple atop ancient Karfi, it was never there.
Good lad.
Amazing video! Great content as always!
Thanks Odysseus!
Thank you!
Contact me if you want some (maybe bad) footage of Karphi I had the privilege of visiting in 2017 and 2020. Really a special place!
Excellent Episode 👍
Thanks Phoenix. Appreciate it!
Thanks Wanax
I saw a tv documentary a while ago about this.. informative. . Your article is very interesting and fascinating.. Thank you.
Excellent video, Will you make video about the "First Messenian War"
between Sparta and Messenia right after the transformation of Sparta to warrior society by Lycurgus?
You already know it's coming! That's going to be a multi-video series. Probably starting in April.
Really great!😃
Thanks Prince of the Lillies!
@@WanaxTV You're welcome Wanax!
By the Gods, that would be great and fantastic if the Linear A script was decoded. Would love to know more about the Minoans, their religions and ways of life.
Very interesting... I didn't know this part of history.
Just rewatched the video and noticed something. In the video you say that Crete had 90 towns, wasn’t Crete known for having 100 towns?
Rounded up figure?
Have you talked about the Lemnos steele?
Not yet, but great topic for future content.
Personally I think that the Illiad was such a central literary work for classical Greece because it outlined the cause of the Bronze-Age collapse. I think it was a warning to history, that 'what goes around, comes around'. I think that it was the power of the city of Troy which held open the gates of the Dardanelles, and it's navy was instrumental in guarding the passage, keeping it open to trade, and free of piracy - just as the Royal Navy, and then the US Navy have done, on the high-seas in our own times. The Illiad therefore being a warning of the folly of the war between Mycenaean Greece, which relied on grain from the far side of the Black Sea for it's daily bread and the city which was essential to it's sustenance. The destruction of Troy leaving a power vacuum in Western Anatolia, which was filled by a MUCH more hostile power to Mycenaean interests than Illion. The Hittites. Who, once Troy was gone, moved in to it's territory, took hold of the Sea of Marmara, and closed it to all shipping from the Black Sea to Mainland Greece. The result - mass famine. And the collapse of the entire Mycenaean social order as a result. The Palaces burned, as the Kings could not feed their population. The Hittites eventually falling to conquest from Babylon, possibly allowing once again freedom of travel through the Dardanelles, and the eventual recovery of Greece to it's classical splendour.
NO PROOF! just my thoughts.
That's interesting. It was the Trojan and Hittite interlopers into Europe that started the inevitable spiritual and cultural decline in Europe. And their bloodlines are still the ruling world power on the stolen thrones they went on to conquer to this day IMO. Old blue eyed devils.
But interesting thoughts…
Good theory
Sometimes I like to pull conjecture out of my ass too. It's lots of fun!
Interesting. I've in the past argued for similar placenames (Calpe, Carpi, Alpes = Alps even) being a Vasconic term meaning exactly "below the rock" (modern Basque "Harr(i)-pe" more commonly Aitz-pe, Axpe, from "aitz" = rock, rocky peak, harri = stone rather, at least in modern Basque). The pre-Indoeuropean root *khar- meaning "rock" or "stone" is widely attested through (for example in Slovene "karst") and, because of obvious linguistic relation with Basque "harri" (where kh shift is common and also well studied by linguists, Aherbeles > Akerbeltz for example). The ending -pe (also -be, -ba in Basque and probably also ancient Iberian, common in toponimy) always means "below" and is directly related to Basque "behe" (below, down as separate word, pronounced just /be/ in the southern dialects).
Thus if we assume that the name could be Vasconic (which some people will dispute out of ignorance or bigotry but to me is always plausible in most of Europe, where there was once upon a time a Vasconic Neolithic and sometimes even a Vasconic Bronze Age, etc.), then the meaning should be that: under the rock, below the rock, just as in the other examples I mentioned (and it works well for all of them AFAIK). BTW Gibraltar, "the rock", was also known as Calpe in pre-Muslim days.
Does that mean that Eteocretans were Vasconic? It could be the case, I never really considered that before because the Pelasgo-Tyrsenian (associated to the J2 haplogroup) wave was important in much of Asia Minor and the Balcans, but now I'm in doubt and will surely consider that on light of the known archaeogenetics and other evidence (the Minoan Goddess definitely fits the Vasconic pattern of beliefs way too well).
haplogroup j is sibling of haplogroup I both descend from cro magnon IJ
@@samschlossberg476 - Both descend from IJ, which surely coalesced in West Asia some 50,000 years ago, even the distinction between J1 and J2 is barely more recent.
Crô Magnon means nothing except for a Gravettian site in France and a related robust skull.
There needs to be more about this period and before!!
Wait, there is! I'm glad I found this channel! Nerding out helps me de-stress.. I love my family to bits, my mum nagged me into moving in with her in 2013. I let her move in with me, and she asked me repeatedly until I said yes.. and, i've been miserable since then :D trying to help her.. idk.
She accused me of being mentally ill, for wanting to GET AWAY FROM HER. I was going to leave a few years ago, and she said stuff like "Oh well, I don't know how long I have left" super suggestively, often.. idk.
I was happy when I lived alone :) I played guitar and I could relax at home! It was... It was normal. Idk. Anyway; it took prayer, and :) getting into The Word to see.. I should have left years ago, she didn't let my "Yay be yay." I said no to this a thousand times, when she lived with me.. I'd say "I'm going for a jog" and she'd be like "Now? what? why not wait and" like... Interrupting everything I did :D I got to the point, I just had to hide from her... She nagged me over and over, to get me to move in with her, after that.. Sad. RANT. I'm quite sad, so like.. it's nice to blow off steam typing about it :D
Anyway; nice is not good. Nice is pretending things are fine when they're not; it's a lie. Things weren't fine here :) idk. But; the only liberty is through Jesus Christ. like, I would have ended up staying to be nice, when :) it would not be good for anyone.. I'd end up like my sister.. She's an invalid now, due to medical conditions brought on by LITERALLY LIVING ON Hostess Blueberry Muffins years ago.. My mum just kept buying them, while she played videogames..
Idk. Im gonna move! Wooo! And, I'll start running every morning and night again. God willing! :) Or, regardless of what happens, Jesus is amazing! This life isn't the end, i'm sure of that now.. Even, in this sad weird situation.. I forgive my mum :D I love her more.. but, I can't help her. I have faith God will :D but, it's weird.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink :) I've heard many stories, families end up separated.. then when they're reunited; the ones that were lost end up coming to Christ :) idk. I hope my mum and sister just, try a bible audiobook... or reading The Word.
it's been almost 4 years, since I fell in love with The Truth :D The Word is amazing! idk. I may start a blog :D instead of typing weird testimony/complaint rants on every youtube video I watch. Idk. Try prayin, God is amazin!
God is purely fictitious but if this story brings you solace then good luck.
Britomartis, Cretan goddess sometimes identified with the Greek Artemis. According to Callimachus in Hymn 3 (3rd century bc), Britomartis was a daughter of Zeus (king of the gods) and lived in Crete; she was a huntress and a virgin.
But Cretes did not speak Greek
The contact between Egypt and the Hellas (ancient tribes of the Proto Greeks), must have transited through the Cretan civilization even if it was in a state of decline.
When the Pharohs of the old kingdom were ruling the Nile, the Minoans were the bulwark in the Mediterranean North-westward. They were the ones who allowed a mariner people to become the Greeks after an age.
...The Egyptians were never seafarers were they?
I think the Phoenicians were the ancestors of Crete
You forgot to mention the Santorini explosion which wiped out Crete.
Language possible isolated or distant related to Tyrrhenian Lemnian or pre Anatolian languages
Ok, this is one topic is did not know.
Did Dorian Greeks already use arches in their builsings in the 10th century BCE?
Who is the Cretan goddess?
I think Velikovsky had a different "take" on that, but I'm still studying his revised Egyptian chronology.
7:43 "Pediada" literally means Plain
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Piyamaradu was there
How refreshing. So tired of hearing We're not really sure what happened once the Greeks invaded. 😊
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Modern Cretans, direct descendants of the Minoans
BS
The Greek and Latin alphabet comes from the Minoans
That is not true. The Greek alphabet directly descends from the Phoenician alphabet or abjad if you're being exact.
@@mattsch21 The Phoenicians took it from Minoans then the Greks took it from Phoenicians
Disgusting tune of IA robotic voice.
Good Lord, there was NO bronze age collapse. Read Velikovsky. Crete was conquered by powerful Achaean warlords during the 8th century BC, and they then imported large numbers of Cretan craftsmen into Greece to decorate their palaces and shrines. The result was so-called 'Mycenaean' art and culture. This culture flourished alongside Late Geometric culture on mainland Greece, and archaeologists invariably find the two artforms in the same strata. Read Velikovsky's "The Dark Age of Greece".
Velikovsky has been discredited. Maybe it was Ancient Aliens?
@@petert1692 Well said. Sea Peoples invasion of 1207 B.C. and the Bronze Age Collapse is well attested to by the archeology throughout the Mediterranean and Middle East.
Velikovsky was a nutjob with a floored cosmological model. Just like his modern nemesis Graham Hancock is today.