You Should Run Two Guitar Amps! [But Make One Dirty]
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Dan has recently changed the way he approaches a two-amp electric guitar rig. Here’s how…
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Welcome to the show! In this episode we revisit the theme of running two amps. It’s something Dan and I do pretty much all the time, either in a wet-dry scenario, full stereo or simple dual mono. It’s a massive sound at any volume, and we recommend that everybody tries it.
However…
To date our approach has always been to select two amps of roughly similar power and headroom characteristics because we want our boosts and overdrives to react in a similar way into both amps. Daniel is tossing all of that into the trash here as he’s making one amp much more overdriven than the other and changing his overdrive pedal signal routing accordingly.
What will we learn?
Enjoy the video!
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research ST-200 Turbo Tuner
Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• PigDog London Dirty Mac Treble Booster
www.pigdogpedals.com/shop/
• Kingsley Page Tube Boost
kingsleyamplifiers.com/product...
• Lauren Audio Mustang
www.lauren.audio/product/mustang
• Greer Amps Lightspeed
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/2KCxbd6
• Free The Tone Future Factory RF Phase Modulated Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
• Diamond VIB1 Vibrato
www.diamondpedals.com/product...
• JAM Pedals Harmonious Monk
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/3rJBJAb
• Chase Bliss Audio CXM 1978 Reverb
Australia: bit.ly/37R8McD
• TheGigRig G3
www.thegigrig.com/g3
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
0:00 Intro & playing
3:08 Dan’s two-amp revelation
5:35 Lazy J 20 in a new way
8:00 Lazy J tones
9:59 Matchless tones
11:30 Lazy J & Matchless together
13:30 Delay to both amps, or just one?
17:10 Kingsley Page into both amps
18:40 Amp split before or after overdrives?
21:30 Treble booster in the Lazy J only?
25:48 Two different reverbs, two amps
33:00 Swap the Matchless for a Princeton
36:00 Princeton & Lazy J 20
38:20 Let’s attenuate the Princeton
44:55 What have we learned?
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video here bit.ly/2qVOTyJ
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - no video yet
Amps in this episode
• Matchless HC30 with ESD 212 cab, 1 x Celstion G12M Greenback, 1 x Celestion G12H Anniversary
www.matchlessamplifiers.com/a...
• Lazy J 20
www.lazyjprojects.com/lazyj20....
• Fender ’65 Princeton Reverb
USA: imp.i114863.net/DVndxd
• Palmer PDI06 Attenuator
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
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This is what I love about the internet. You can have Keith Williams over at Five Watt World encouraging us to "make the most music with the least amount of gear" and then come over hear and check out Dan and Mick trying to get us to hook up every piece of gear we have all at once. There's something for everyone!
Sat watching the show in the maternity ward with our daughter, born today. I think Hannah, at 4 hours old, might be your youngest viewer...
Congratulations!
Is her middle name Nobels?
What? No schwang in utero!? Disappointed. (Joking, man. Congrats! welcome, Hannah ❤️)
Congratulations!!!!!!!
I don't see the point I had a 2 x 12 then plugged this Jensen blackbird in its like another amp
When Dan plays and goes into his Dan space, it's so inspiring. He feels like a kindred spirit.
Thanks David 🤓🙏
Love Mick's response too. He's giggling like a child. I am coming on the day thingy that they do!
Um, David Evans aka The Edge? :)
Well. He is indeed a kindred- Tin Spirit.
@@ThatPedalShow Dans riffs cost me money, lots. The studio just hires Dan! Oh well..
It’s 6am, I gotta get up for work in two hours, but I’m telling you this is what makes Friday’s worth doing. All my love, hope everyone is well and good luck with your upcoming gig Mick (ours is tomorrow, can’t recall when yours is).
Hey Aaron. Saturday night's alright for wet-drying. It's a bit of fun with some mates and the set list is, shall we say, 'underrehearsed'. Should be a blast! Have a good one buddy!
Dan! I can't find the words to describe how lovely that intro was....a beautiful combo of harmony and melody, riding on that pillowy-cloud of pedaly-goodness. Someone give this man loads of money so he can keep making music like this!
Ah, that’s way too kind Simon, thanks so much 🤓🙏
Agreed, I loved it, Dan!
I've been watching these lads quite a while, and I'm starting to think they're quite fond of those little boxes on the floor
Hahahahaah!
What I think I love most about you guys is that you're always "ears open" to finding and exploring new sounds. It's really inspiring.
T-shirt: “Impossibly forever headroom.” If you make it, I will buy it!
Thank you guys for this episode! This is how I have been running my rig for the last couple of years, and this really helped me refine it!
I got married, had a few kids, got divorced, changed job then retired all before Dan made his point. Always informative, though.
John Mcgeoch of Siouxsie and the banshees used to run a 50 watt marshall combo distorted in tandem with a jc120 clean with the stereo chorus and he would use all of the effects (a dynacomp as a boost, an mxr flanger and a yamaha e1005 delay) into both. The dynacomp would make the roland jump in volume a bit and it sounded huge. A very cool sound
He was a monster player. Underrated. I've been trying to play "Spellbound" (the electric guitar part) from start to finish with no mistakes and it ain't easy
@@mattgilbert7347 his stuff is very deceptive. Spellbound is a tricky one
@@mattgilbert7347 Adrian's lesson is the best one (AnyoneCanPlayGuitar). When my old guitar (I thought) died a few years ago (I ended up getting it fixed anyway) I ordered a Yamaha SG1000 from Japan and decided Spellbound would be the first thing I ever played on it - so I learned it from Adrian's video - perfectly (been playing many years with some time off). So when it arrived, that's what I did. And a year or so later - I got a JC120.
Some McGeoch stuff can be really hard to play for people who don't have long fingers like he did. Adrian's comment (on I think his Halloween lesson) "McGeoch you're having a laugh" made me chuckle.
On an aside note - I have a theory that "Spellbound" is actually a jazz funk track if you play the riff notes as chords in a funky way to the main backing track - yuo will see what I mean.
@@whssy halloween is another song that made me go WTF. How he came up with that stuff is beyond me
I read that he used the JC120 & i never understood where his dirt was coming from
I get it now thanks man
Another fantastic, inspiring show. I love the direct correlation between sounds that make Dan happy and the beauty of what trips off his fingers in that special zone. Through you guys I have a better understanding of myself as a musician and as a human being, what more could a dude ask?
Thanks mate 🤓👍
I wasn’t sold on this concept until you did the back to back splitting of the overdrive from both amps to just the matchless. The clarity difference was very apparent and really cool.
that intro jam was massive!!
that needed to be said right away - now I'll go on with the video and I'm sure it's gonna be a joy and inspiration to watch and listen :)
Bloody hell - Daniel crushing it at the beginning there. I picked a good moment to listen through some decent cans and DAC, just as that all kicked off - sensational. You chaps are the reason I’ve wound my way to wet/dry set up (currently Two Rock Trad Clean and Morgan JS12, with the latter being the centre of the sound like that J20), with some great pedals and loving it. Going to swap the TR for an AC20 live, so I have two unassuming little boxes to sneak into gigs and not frighten everyone :)
Managed to wet dry my neunaber expanse loaded with a chorus with no dry (vibrato)the other day…setting the mix to 100% wet and the outputs to wet dry…what a sound! The neunaber with its different routing and blend options is a perfect end of chain for me. You guys are an inspiration!
I am in the process of acquiring an attenuator so I can run my 5E3 broken up with the '64 Princeton having more headroom. I haven't really done a full wet-dry situation, but just the reverb and trem of the Princeton contrasting with the dry of the 5E3 is just amazing. This episode is exactly the kind of gear nonsense I needed this Friday.
Top intro Dan!!! Great episode as always. Always love this show
Sounds gorgeous! And it's great to see how Dan is enjoying his playing. And by the way, I enjoy his playing as well.
I’ve been thinking about this for ages. Trying to explain it all to my Dad, who has no clue.
Thanks for giving me something to sent to him, planning to do it all with the Victory Copper x2. Love it.
I love the moment about 28:29 where you both look at each and realise - yes if you play the wrong notes (or even play different wrong notes) twice it definitely was meant - and laugh.
To paraphrase Miles Davis, the only note that matters is the last one you play.
I've been using a dual amp setup for about ten years or so. I use a Fender Supersonic 22 combo and a Fender Bassbreaker 45 combo. The neighbors hate me.... 😉
I’m curious; which one is wet and which is dry, or are you not working quite like that?
Passionate tone smiths. The both of you take grafting tone to the next level.
Fascinating. Thanks for continuing to push forward the majestic art of tone.
As a newbie player but an old school tech guy, I set up my Katana MKII Artist and my Monoprice 15/1 watt tube amp using a ABY switch several months ago. Its an amazing combo!
I have way more amps than my skill level would dictate. Played a gig in Nashville a few weeks ago and being that it was a 10 PM Saturday night slot on Broadway which can be tricky loading in and out, I decided to go light and just brought a 50 watt Kitana. I used my normal pedal board (which is likely 10 times the cost of the amp) and was thrilled with the result. That Artist Amp does a ton and works awesome as a pedal platform.
Nice one guys. One of the best episodes in a while! Yours, with impossibly forever headroom, Al
Just amazing! Love these tones! I’ve learning so much from your videos! Thank you!
My friend has a Marshall JCM800 and a Fender Bandmaster, each running into separate 4x12 cabinets. Running both amps together gives such glorious tones, and he doesn't have any neighbors so you can also feel what you are playing!
That’s my next purchase. A home in the countryside.
@@smelltheglove2038 A home in its own countryside
That is a 8x12 rig O_o¡
@@smelltheglove2038 The neighbors have guns. I don't play at night.
Such a great experiment /experience! The only thing I wish you did was attempt the treble booster into the 'tweaked' second rig. Lastly, the genuine real-time realizations towards the end of the video is truly what sets this channel apart from the pack! Keep doing what you're doing. Cheers!
I think the matchless and lazy j combo we’re some of my favorite sounds y’all have ever had on the show!
Thanks Dylan, yeah, I’m absolutely loving them 🙏
i’m playing a dual (small) amps setup because of these guys, thanks for all the information!
I've been running a tweed bassman & a 1968 super reverb together lately. Just a glorious rig. A drive pedal, a boost, and a stereo delay is all I need with that setup. Glad to hear your thoughts on this. Great show fellas.
Love this episode 4th time again ... Great stuff, might be relatively straightforward and basic stuff, but clears many important details for me.
I'm in the adjacent room and your show ques up and my jaw drops from hearing ethereal chords passages blooming from my surround sound theatre....Blissfull...Cheers from Newport Beach, CA. 🥂
Holy moly. Dan's opening playing was unreal. And this - "This is the next stage in gain staging." Felt like the blue/red pill scene in The Matrix.
Been thinking about setting up something like this with Princeton and Blues Jr (good deal at a local shop)...so many questions. See you at VCQ.
Great episode for getting ye olde Wet/Dry (Dual Mono) amp together. TY!
Dan is both musical and kickass - i wish i had his library of chords (and also his acting skills) 🤟🏼
I think this is the first time I’ve understood wet/dry or dual mono or whatever… seemed overwhelming before but after that show it makes sense. Thanks fellas!
This was a great listen/watch while working at my desk. Sounded so good!
Something I have done before when recording is use an ABC box to split my signal to two different amps, different effects on each (reverb on one, and a very short slapback delay on the other, for example) and set them to where I can clean up with the volume on my guitar. The result, a pseudo double tracked guitar, but 2 different tones. Depending on the sounds I want, I can also use different drive pedal combinations to mix it up. It doesn't replace real double tracking entirely as the differences of the individual performances make the sound bigger too, but I feel it cuts down on the number of double tracked tracks I need to do individually.
I’ve watched all your two amp, wet-dry videos. It was a revelation to me. I didn’t do it exactly as you prescribe, in fact, I’m still experimenting with the mix. But what an amazing sound comes out of wet-dry rigs. I mean revolutionary. It’s like I just discovered something so good. In addition to OD, and modulations, I have an MXR 10 Band EQ for each amp. The sonic possibilities are endless. I can’t thank you enough for opening this up to me. You two are the best. You’re both so knowledgeable, and both such good players, and I love the banter and friendship. One more time: thanks for wet-dry!
THanks so much Mark! We’re stoked that it’s working for you and providing some inspiration. Cheers!
This is what I've been doing for years, love the blend of different amps. Tweeds rule!
This is VERY interesting and helpful! I have a 5e3-based amp that sounds so good on its own but almost shakes pedals off, as if to say, “I don’t need it like any of you to sound good.” I think I’ll try to just enjoy the sound of the amp (with a DRRI/pedal pairing) instead of trying to force feed pedals to my 5e3. Thank you Dan (and Mick!)! 🤘😊👍
Did anybody else immediately think about the Simon Neil episode??? I haven’t stopped thinking about his 3 amps all at extremely different gain levels since that episode came out. As the only guitar in my band, think I might be able to get away with something bananas like that…
Also, being from Americaland, had never heard of Biffy Clyro until the boys had Simon on. Will be flying to Glasgow to see a proper Biffy show as soon as I can, no doubt.
Had the same revelation with a 5watt champ and my 25watt bassman clone, but never spit the drives. Great Stuff Gents🖖
Hell yeah!!! I have an AC-15 coming to me next week!
I don't comment lots, but that intro jam *might* be as good as I've ever heard Dan sound. When he starts floating away it's always to a glorious place.
Absolutely fabulous intro Dan. Bravo.
I'm usually a Strat guy through and through, but today, Dan's Tele was my favorite. Absolutely some of the best sounds I have heard on the show.
Amazing intro Daniel, the finish was particularly awesome. The tone was pretty good too.😉
Thanks Dan! You helped me get one of the best sounds I've ever got. I ran my Vox Ac10 with Just a Sun Face then the rest of my pedals going to a 2nd amp. It sounds great. Thanks again
Love these guys. Always brilliantly entertaining. Its like they have the best jobs in the world, playing with toys.
Outstanding show among many. Tone's were simply brilliant. I love how you are using that Page, too. That thing can do it all.
Dan. That intro jam. OMG! I need to rip that. Those 2-3 min will probably make my weekend.
Dan, that intro! I especially appreciated that Lydian walk down the neck at the end.
Totally inspiring and thanks for all that you guys continue to do. And thanks to my GigRig G3 (life changing and thanks to Joe for help!), I also recently discovered the beauty of leaving my Fender Tweed Deluxe alone and letting it do its thing as the Dry amp in my Wet/Dry/Wet rig. Once pushed enough, the Deluxe (with Alnico Blue) is stunning, has a beautiful, lush, velvety bottom end and mid-range, has a glassy, sophisticated top end, and simply sounds better without any drive pedals going into it (and it is already loud starting at amp Volume 2). Then add brighter Wet amps with some pre-delay to the reverb, and it creates this crazy 3D dimension to the sound with both warmth and brightness. Unending joy and discovery, thanks guys!
Thanks James, your rig sounds awesome! 👍
I love this video, ive just got my dream rig of a dual amp setup, A ceriatone matchless hc30 clone and an increblle satellite scamp ( a hand built Princeton kinda Amp ) and im going through so many variations of where to run mono pedals and stereo reverbs and a dimension D waza ( I got after your demos) and this is such the video I need to keep me going on my endless search for the perfect layout, I wanna leave the small amp to break up naturally so it makes sense to put the drive on the Matcheless clone . thanks again guys, still the best guitar channel on YT
amazing intro! Dan's playing is so refreshing, loved the tridimensionality of the Lazy J
Cheers matey 🙏
That was some sweet playing. And wonderful schematics! Thanks for this.
Playing into two amps changed my life. I've got a Marshal Origin 20c dry and a Beson mod FHRD wet and it's such an inspirational sound.
I continue to get inspired by these videos. Thank you.
I think you guys should put out a collection of just the intros. I would love listening to something like that.You're both just so amazing.
Cheers Aaron, you’re too kind 🙏
Great intro Dan!! So cool. Hello from Austin Texas!Ive been doing this type of rig for about a year. Im using a 57 tweed deluxe 5e3 and a Dr z Maz 18 head and 2x12. I also have an overdrive after the split so i can drive the Z and keep the 5e3 (Mostly) clean. Really enjoyed this episode.
Just borrowed those settings for my CXM into my wet amp. Fantastic preset Dan!! TPS - The gift that keeps on giving :) Also using spring verb on the “dry” side. I’ve used the phrase “TPS wet/dry” a few times on TGP threads!
wow that intro was such a vibe .... These are some of my favorite TPS shows, the massive wet dry dual mono episodes.
This fits well with the “no pedals” (few pedals) video a few weeks back. Using the amp overdrive sounds amazing!
That intro was so so good, Dan! Crazy good tones
Wow! Lots of good stuff (as always) but definitely a cool philosophy to bring to setting up amps that I personally had never thought of.
Both of you are so inspiring love your show!
Very nice!! Tasteful and creative!
that intro was beyond killer, dan is a legemd
That intro jam was right up my alley!
It's always enjoyable to run two amps. My favorite approach is to have amazing tone in one, while putting a looper and effects in the 2nd. Great way to mimic having a 2nd guitar player as well as the great tones!
Love your shows. After watching there is so much more to think about
Judging by the tones, it's not just Dan's shirt that's got all the knobs on two o'clock. Dan is also at his optimal settings. Cheers guys! (And yes, that new Fuzz T-shirt is really nice)
One of the best episodes about guitar in a good while. I have run my old Davis 201-A PA head at about 8 and a fixed blues delux as the clean/wet for about a year now per some of your previous videos. However I do run the Strymon Deco into both at the end of the pedal chain in dual mono mode(discrete?). It's killer. Thanks for all the inspiration!
Yes!
I'm doing this at home with a JC-22 and a Bassbreaker 007. It's great a low volumes.
Great episode guys! I hadn’t seen it before the last VCQ, but I really appreciate the answer to my question, and I have a good idea of where to go now :-)
I think combo of Mick and Dan is something else! And the amps with those pedals sounded pretty ok too! Cheers from Finland!
What an intro from Dan! That was epic! 👏
I just received my fuzz tee shirt. Lovely packaging and the stickers were a nice bonus. The shirt is a very soft, high quality material and the printing looks great. I'll be ordering more, thanks Dan and Mick!
Just testing RUclips through an old hifi amp & my best speakers- thank you Dan that sounded awesome!! Looking fwd to trying my dry amp a bit dirtier👍🎸😀
Sometimes I watch through my cinema system and in 4K on an OLED 65’ inch tv. It’s awesome.
Me too 😂
Great show boys... love that Lazy J - Bring on Jesse!! Music to my ears, he's a great guy as you know..
Wonderful video, thanks!
You gents teased me with that one! ;-) When I saw three on the floor, I thought you were bringing back the epic wet/dry/wet rig. Surely, Dan is tooling around with having the "dry" J cranked up the middle with the treble booster as needed and two "wet" amps on the sides with various ODs/effects wobbling to and fro. Can't wait to see where this splitting journey takes y'all! Thanks for all the laughs and learnings fellas. Cheers!
Been a long time since the last video I saw from you guys, you even changed looks!
YES!! the same idea came to me years ago but i never got around to making it happen,didn't have the money to do it for starters...one day soon,one day soon!
I had a similar revelation a few weeks ago and texted my studio friend. This is great
EPIC INTRO - LOVED IT!!!
This may be my favorite episode. My challenge is that I split with a mini vent. I shelved some lovely overdrives for what played well with a wide range of amps (Broadcast and Klone). All the modulation follows on one side after the mini vent.
Great video!! I LOVE running two amps 😭
Currently run my 1x12 Princeton in tandem with a dirty AC15.....Strymon Deco for that "3D" tape flange/chorus makes the rig come alive, everything sounds better through two amps.
Damn. That was your best intro yet. I use my 80s Jc-120 and Vox AC15 for some grit
I just want to say thank you. Without TPS I would never have bought my 5E7 Bandmaster and had the experience of volume. Also I thoroughly enjoy the rabbit holes and tangents. I've learned more from your show than anywhere else. Beside the great gear, the ideas you share are priceless. 73 from Seattle.
You’re most welcome Austin 🙏
Best intro ever! Great job, Dan!
Thanks for an excellent show of experimentation! I recently got an ABYBaby to dual a 20w Carl's Blonde Bassman and a 65 RI Princeton, so not unlike your last two amps. I had been thinking down an opposite track: no dirt pedals into the wet amp (Princeton) but now I'll be trying several arrangements; one I'm thinking if for lower volumes us to make the Princeton at about 4.5 as the headroom/wet amp with gain from pedals, since the volume and master relationship on the Blonde allows for adjustable gain. The big takeaway is sending different pedals into each amp. A little more fiddly without a switcher, but I'm seeing them as separate 'mini' pedalboard chains routed off the same board. Bravo!
wow, that sounds so amazing just through the headphones. Must be a spiritual experience in the room.
Experimenting with this now and I'm so pleased with the results. I am using a Helix (yeah, yeah, whatever...) and running a Matchless and a Lone Star with the Lone Star as the dirty amp and it just sounds perfect. Great tips in this episode!
I’ve used an Orange OR15 into a 4x12 cab and a Mesa F30 for years. I Iove the spring reverb in the Mesa and have gone through so many reverb pedals trying to get that sound for my Orange rig. I happen to be at my local guitar shop when I guy sold his EHX switchblade. I bought it and finally set up my rig in stereo and it sounds incredible. I have a Boss RE-20 Space Echo coming on Monday and I can’t wait to hear it through this new rig. Stereo rules. Thanks for giving me some ideas!
Duuude what a tone in the intro!! I now need a 1000$ reverb pedal thanks to dan ;)
TONE FLY!! brilliant.