Did We Get Wet-Dry Guitar Rigs Wrong? [Proper Wet-Dry-Wet Vs TPS Wet-Dry]
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Exploring the ‘correct’ definition of wet-dry… and why we don’t do it
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Welcome to the show! Regular viewers will know that Dan and I are simply in love with ‘wet-dry’ guitar rigs. The term causes a soupçon of mouth-frothing apoplectic rage out there in the world, however, because there are many different ways in which you can approach wet and dry signal explanations.
Erm, probably should say at this point that ‘dry’ in this context usually means just a guitar amp with no effects except whatever overdrive it’s making. ‘Wet’ usually refers to all other effects: chorus, phaser, flanger… but most commonly delay and reverb.
Now then. We’ve evolved to having a ‘TPS Wet Dry’ approach which doesn’t really satisfy the ‘correct’ definition of the term (and indeed causes much of the mouth-frothing mentioned above). So this video is all about unravelling that whole deal and comparing a ‘classic’ wet-dry-wet rig with what we call - eventually - ‘TPS Wet-Dry’.
Why use wet-dry at all? What’s wrong with just a guitar, amp and cable? What about front of house? We talk about all that and more…
Still with us? Let's do this…
Enjoy the show!
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Pedals & stuff used in this video
• J Rockett Audio Designs Hot Rubber Monkey
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• Lazy Bear Custom Parallel Splitter
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• Ernie Ball VPJR Volume & Tuner
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• Lazy Bear Custom Volume Box
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• JAM Pedals Waterfall
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• Free The Tone FF-1Y Future Factory
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• Catalinbread Topanga
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• Lands Devices Mixer
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• TheGigRig Humdinger
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
0:00 Intro and playing
4:11 Why are we asking this question?
4:48 What is wet-dry anyway?
8:05 Today’s board
8:30 The ‘dry’ amp, Cali Tweed
9:40 How do we add the effects?
10:50 Amp effects loop?
13:05 Today’s circuit diagram and explanation
16:05 Why parallel is important
16:50 Parallel delay and reverb
19:50 True vibrato and chorus
22:45 Adding overdrive, relative wetness
25:09 Why do this at all?
26:45 Dan has a play
32:10 Drawbacks of wet-dry-wet
36:30 Music changed too
38:30 Why ‘TPS Wet-Dry’?
39:36 Humbuckers classic wet-dry-wet
40:48 Humbuckers TPS Wet-Dry
42:18 Signal routing for TPS Wet Dry
43:50 Wet & Dry amp sounds for TPS Wet Dry
45:30 Amps in and out of phase
47:37 Benefits and drawbacks of TPS Wet Dry
50:30 There are other ways to do this
51:38 Where are we now?
52:22 Adding reverb & gain in the amps
58:10 Final thinkings and discoverations
Guitars in this episode:
• 1970 Fender Stratocaster - no video yet
• Gibson Custom True Historic 1957 Les Paul Goldtop Murphy Aged - no video yet
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video here • That Pedal Show - Our ...
Amps & cabs in this episode:
• Mesa/Boogie California Tweed 6V6 4:40 1 x 12 combo with Jensen Blackbird Alnico speaker
• Mesa/Boogie 50/50 Stereo Power Amp - no longer made, I found this on Reverb.com
• Zilla Custom 1x12 cabs with Celestion G12H-75 Creamback and WGS12L speakers
• Victory V140 The Super Duchess
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almost 2 years since I stumbled upon the rabea heavy tones video. Had no idea what wet dry was and that it would change my life on guitar tone forever. Been playing for 20 years now and I’ve learned more in the last 2 years then I have in the previous 15 from you guys. Your by far the biggest influence to me and I really can’t thank you guys enough for your honesty and wisdom on your experience with music!
Ah man that’s AWESOME! Thanks so much and happy tones!
Probably about a year and a half here but absolutely same story. Playing for two decades and I was in such a rut with my playing ability and tone. Nothing about picking up the guitar was inspiring at all anymore. Fast forward to today and I’m absolutely loving my tone and it’s caused me to break through a wall with my ability and fretboard knowledge as well! I’m playing for hours multiple times a week and literally lose myself in the sound every time! Massive thanks to D&M and also a fair amount of love to the leg ends in the Facebook group! ❤️🤘
And now Rabea's live rig is back to more the wet-dry-wet complicated setup because after wet-dry he fell in love with the stereo effects.
@@ofsoundmind13 we are on the same path, feels great doesnt it? if wee knew then what we know now? yikes!
@@popart13 it’s getting better by the minute! Absolutely loving my setup lately!❤️🤘
47:07 Dan once again discovers, defines and demonstrates the purpose of life on earth and the meaning of human existence. Mick enjoys, notes it and makes minor adjustments. God I love you both so much. Thank you.
Hahaha indeed, that moment killed me, I literally laughed out loud. :D
Can't wait for next week's 5.1 surround sound set up
"TPS Wet/Dry" is the perfect term. Like Dan said, you still get that fullness of the dual amp setup even when all the "wet" effects are off.
It is too bad you cannot hear that in the video as both amp were mixed dead straight...
@@egoncorneliscallery9535 Well they did say that if running it live they'd say put both amps straight down the middle rather than panning left and right 😊 so I guess that's what they were going for
It's all bloody magic to me - a peice of metal vibrating near a magnate get's turned into music - any else from there is more iceing on the cake - what ever floats your boat baby
Facts. Humans rule
This +1
Great to see you both having fun. Your joy is infectious.
Another inspiering show! Very nice intro Dan. Have a great weekend both of you!!
I've watched your content for a number of years now, but what you do has become super-important to me in the last two years. I feel grounded and reassured, as well as interested, by your work. And thanks for answering my Superchat the other day! AND for continuing to make things that are truly edifying and enriching. I appreciate you both. Thank you.
Thanks so much Joe!
hell yeah, that's really cool!
I would like to second joe hoppard wholeheartedly. I find both Dan and Micks playing to be absolutely magic, in very unique and inspiring ways, and it’s been something to hold onto during difficult times. Micks blues licks are always piercing and emotive, and Dan’s rich, complex sound-scapes leave me in awe sometimes. Both of you guys simply play beautifully! Dan, I was so happy when gave me a shout out once!!!!! I think we were talking about the book Sapiens by yuval noah harari. Great read by the way. Anyway, you guys are awesome, and your playing in all the videos, but especially this one, truly touched me. The badass musical vignettes that you guys come up with to demonstrate the musicality of this equipment is nothing short of incredible. Watching your shows is legitimately one of my favorite ways to be spending my time. Keep up the good work!!!
YES! Parallel! More control over more and finer detail! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
As I’ve been binge watching your channel lately, your passion and joy through 6 strings has reignited my love and passion for all things guitar tone. Thank you!
Thank you kindly! And welcome to the fam!
I just want to say thank you for all the effort you guys went through to get this setup done. This explains so many things SO beautifully ito not just guitar but studio setups. This is second only to Dan's Monster Delay board :)
Awesome, thank you!
Friday morning, Kansas City USA: working out in the basement, re-watching lockdown VCQ, playing unplugged Tele for 60-90 seconds between sets. Tablet pings. New TPS! The road here has been a hard one, but in moments like these … life is glorious. Thanks for all you do to champion these simple pleasures. Love you guys.
Same here repping and jammin
Pdx oregon tho 🤘
Listen to super secret band while you do 🙏🙏🙏
That is the most amazing take on the 80's rig ever. What is most shocking is that even with that much kit, it is pretty simple compared to all that wild rack stuff we had. Remains impractical as ever, but so amazing and so fun. Great playing, too. Lovely stuff.
After watching all the way through, I had to go back and watch Dan's opening schwang again. I was afraid having a peek behind the Curtain of Oz would spoil the magic. I'm happy to report it did not. Wonderful stereo mix, Mick, Glorious!
Since adopting wet-dry from your influence, I've never put wet effects in my dry amp, and many times my wet amp is my Jazz Chorus running in stereo. So I don't have center dry, but I still love it. Thanks guys!
Sweet tones and amazing playing from both chaps, well done!
Wow! Don't know if it's just the inspiration of the setup, however all effects and setup aside, this is the best I've heard both of you play thus far!! Such a delight!! You two are so inspirational - many thanks to you both! 😍🔥🎸🙏♾
Cool video guys! The true W/D/W rigs sure are glorious! Thanks for making this video to help evangelize this approach! Around 11:00 I would say the more common way than the mic'd dry amp feeding a mic pre and then the wet processing effects, was instead, using a Line Out Box or having a line out built into the amplifier. The line out was a line level output tapped off the output transformer with a volume control to attenuate the level to match up with the effects it was feeding, this is different from an FX Loop Send (or preamp output). The Line Out is what Steve Lukather, Paul Jackson Jr., Jay Graydon and others did with their Rivera Modded "Stage II" or "Stage III" Fender amplifiers. They did often have buffered effects loops added as a part of the mod, but for the Wet/Dry/Wet thing would use the line out and either load the Rivera amp with a resistive load (if they didn't want to mic the dry amp speaker) and then feed their stereo effects to a stereo power amp and then wet cabinets (and just have two cabs on stage with the dry and wet in both cabs) or they would mic the dry amp and feed the wet processing effects via the line out that were all in a stereo parallel mixer (except for chorus, compression, and maybe EQ), that would feed a stereo power amp and wet cabinets for L and R.
Fascinating, thanks for the insight into those rigs!
Catching up with TPS. Dan 😃 Epic epic epic, I was rewinding the video to listen to your playing again. Love it mate, rock on 🤘🙏
Unreal sounds! 👏 I am now looking at using this sound (jam nights, church and backyard gigs). Never heard of this before (and I started playing guitar in 1995)! Thank you guys for always presenting new ideas with fervor and friendship….you guys are the best! ❤
Wow, you master so many playing techniques, very enjoyable to listen to. And that pedalboard is a piece of art in itself!
An all timer video of yours lads, fantastic - love the Steve Morse shout out, the second I saw what you were doing I said thats the Morse way! Always been in awe of how he blends effects on the fly, nice to hear the benefit of it in detail, fabulous sounds. Great job....you lads do important work!
This was fascinating and it sounded epic! Bonus nerd points for this episode. thank you!
I’m loving this episode, nailing the tones I grew up listening to. 80s session tone heaven.
The incredible thing about Dan is that his face always matches how he plays. He always looks like he has just discovered the most beautiful tone anyone has ever heard. I love it!
Just started watching the video in my recording studio while archiving some files, and again I'm just so happy about how much you guys care about the production quality of TPS. Best audio on the internet. THANK YOU!
Thank you so much! This makes me happy! Mick here. :0)
Very timely: A couple of days ago, a Radial Twin-City ABY arrived in the mail... Let the experimentation begin! Also: great episode, fantastic sounds.
Very similar to using mid/side processing in mastering. Great for creating a wide, deep, and focused sound. I'm about to add the "Dry" amp to my current Stereo rig for wet/dry/wet. This was great. Thanks!
I've really enjoyed how much better you have both become over the time I've been watching. sh
I’d love it if you did get in a couple of pro juniors and put them wet/dry up against a single “big” amp in terms of sounding big at different volumes, it gets alluded to fairly often
Let’s totally do that!
Those Pro Juniors are awesome little monster amps but easy to fry. They get so hot they melt the valve sockets.
The overdriven sound is really great and better than other amps like the Blues Junior. No tone stack loss so pretty loud.Less versatile but loved by blues players. 2 of them would be glorious..didnt Jeff Beck use them at some point? Mick would probably know
They’re toys, and they sound like toys when next to a big amp.
31.22 LOL. Awesome as always. Dan was on fire today. Another brilliant episode. You’ve taken me from a non-player to a wet dry rig. My favourite show anywhere on any device. Right at the start back in 2017 Mick replied to a comment I left that “tone always matters” (even as a beginner…) and I’ve never forgotten that lesson.
Thanks so much David! Great to have you here!
I lol'd in the 52nd minute with the joint gesticulation between Dan and Mick. The posing demonstrated a clear lack of scripted coordination while performing outstanding improvisation. Bravo!
A working-mans version of the OG wet-dry-wet is to use a solid state stereo combo like Roland KC-220 / KC-990 to run your stereo wet signal. Your wet signal doesn't need a pair of boutique guitar amps. No guitar tech required LOL. Just have the house take the DI L/R out of the KC and hard pan them and your done. Run the DI into an Iridium cab sim if you need that depth. You can stack the KC-220 on top of your combo amp, or put the combo amp on top of the KC-990 to get the Left-Center-Right effect.
Got to say, Dan’s playing was truly inspired. Fun for days indeed.
Long live “TPS Wet/Dry”!!
Implemented 3 years ago, per the boy’s direction, and I could not be happier. I’m inspired every day to play because of it…best investment ever.
Thanks Gents, you got it 100% correct!!
In my heart, it will forever be "wet's dry wig." Thanks for another great video, Toes. Let the record show that I prefer wet's dry wig to all of it, although I know how much y'all love that Mesa power amp. I would never rain on that parade of extravagance. It's lovely. : )
Another real 'proper' video, great sounds both !
Good lord, you fellas make some amazing tones…. So good.
Dan, I was a frequent long time listener to The Show and then 2 years ago took time off from all things guitar after playing live for 30+ yrs.
You have taken your playing to a new level. I thought you were a little mechanical in your playing. Technically nice, but... Mic was the music man.
Hearing you today, you are the music man! I hear joy and beauty in your playing. You made my day
Cheers man!
Guys, you're the one RUclips channel for which I always click the thumb up even before the video starts.
And then, every single time, by the end of the video, I've learnt so much that I feel frustrated for not being able to click on it again.
Finally got the time to sit down with a proper headset for an hour and there's one thing to say: this one is another gem on this platform.
I've been experimenting with wet/dry, wed/dry/wet and even clean/dirty setups for a while and this video brought me such a better understanding of what's not right in my attempts.
Thank you soooo much for sharing all your knowledge with such joy and enthousiasm.
I hope there will be some TPS band shows in the EU at some point so I can properly participate in supporting you guys.
Much love
Thanks so much! We’re made up that this is useful to you. Thank you for spending your time with us!
Thanks for the upload chaps! What it whatever you want it’s all up to you
Jesus Guys! That tone was astonishing - never heard such a big, lush and transparent tone in your show with a pristine, almost 3D like sound quality.. that Mesa California smokes but it is the whole package that seems to work beautifully together.. that was a great one - thanks!
... and most of all I liked how much fun you had playing! I think for the listener of TPS - having "only" the recorded impression - the wet/dry/wet is just more the way you're used listening to records, so that's the sound! I use the "TPS wet/dry" and it is just a great room experience and in addition an interesting form of sound design by matching amps/pedals etc..
Almost everything I've recorded has been with a stereo setup since the first video you guys put up on the subject. I love this sound so much, it reminds me of Ty Tabor of Kings X's tone from the Dogman album. One of the greatest guitar tones I've ever heard on an album, very much a sound to aspire to.
aurium gulae- aural gluttony
Thank you!! I love these wet-dry, wet-dry-wet videos you guys do. Listening in the car as I drive is a delight!!
I love when Dan sets up these "elaborate" rigs.
Yea the “deconstructed” setup to help visualize, ha!
I think this may be my favourite TPS vid. An excellent demonstration of exactly why TPS-WD is the optimum.
Thank you for this episode! I've been exploring variations of wet-dry over the last decade, so I was really interested to see and hear your demonstrations. I agree that for gigs a smaller footprint and straightforward setup for yourself and sound engineers is the way to go. My guitar is a Telecaster, but my main instrument of performance is an electric viola; I began experimenting because I wanted to maintain the viola tone, bow articulation response and clarity that I was already getting, and then be able to add and control the effected sounds separately. I've used one amp with parallel volume pedals - one dry the other 100% wet, two amps with the parallel volume pedals but the wet with some original sound (basically the TPS format) , two amps in series where the second amp is wet, and three amps set up wet-dry-wet with the outer amps in stereo. My basic wet is reverb - sometimes just the reverb on one of the amps, other times a reverb pedal with a big 0-100% range of level, tone, and length. I like smooth resonant plate or hall reverb sounds, and following that with a really slow OTA phaser, usually with both at subtle settings, but sometimes huge for what I call the "space viola" sound.
I just call it D&M and it sounds killer! TPS has inspired me so much over the last few years. Thanks as always gents & lady!
Dry & Moist? Damp & Mummified?
😁
The TPS way is the working man's wet dry that sounds great. It's something anyone can do with minimal investment, fuss and bother.
I think I want a wetter box though. I think the possibilities are endless with that
Thank you guys!! Great episode and sounds! I am using MLC dual stereo line mixer to achieve this "wet dry" thing with my gear. 🎸
Yea, multi amp set up episode, my favourite. Great vid guys, and a Strat in Eb just to make it even better.
Very graciously handled boys … as always. 👍🏼
TPS ROCKS!!! Thank u for all the knowledge and tones.
Great Video guys, great sounds as always, loving Dan’s neck dive, awesome. I think TPSWetDry™️ about covers the naming. As a side my guitar rig is set up in the utility room, dry amp sits on the tumble dryer, wet amp sits over the washing machine. Have a great weekend
After that Mesa stereo video I'm trying to figure out on how to do a wet/dry rig, with the wet in stereo in a 2x12 verticle cab. Bouncy plus wet/dry. I may have to contact you guys. You continually make me rethink everything. Great job gents.
The array of tones, the illustrious playing by both you guys and all the wallet massacring options and food for thought in between make this a giant of a legendary show. So who gives a feck what you call it. I was completely moist all the way through!! BRILLIANT D&M!!?
I think that I need Mick ... to come over and twist knobs for me. Wonderful examples....and those tones can become so inspiring to the moment! Great job. Wet-dry-wet is perfect for studio stuff. The TPS wet-dry is what I would be using live...and often, even for recording. They both have their place. The wet-dry-wet can indeed sound majestic.... MASSIVE .... and absolutely beautiful when tweaked for amazing stereo effect! Love them both for their individual high points.
So….this episode has me itching to have you create a world ‘TPS show tour’ . I would love to sit back and watch you play for hours live on-stage and discuss the meaning of life, that which is all things tone. Loved the episode! Cheers!
A few people have suggested it Glenn…… hmmmm…… mayyyyybeeeeeeee
Brilliant! I'm working on re-amping right now so my studio effects are post on the mix. But this was purest Master class to teach the very essence of what the wdw setup earthly is. Beautiful effects, a bit Richard Claptons Capricorn dancer hit me square on whilst Dan is playing and Mic on the work of mixing...thanks so much!
Surprised to not hear the words 'Moist', or even (my favourite) 'Rhett's Dry Wig'. I really enjoyed this episode fellas, well done. Dan's playing was particularly good today.
So 3 hours after watching, I can confirm wet dry wet is the future. Cannot believe this hasn't occurred to me before. Its soooo good. Thanks again guys 👌
After seeing one of your older Wet/Dry videos, I'm hooked. In respect of the setting of the amps, I'm in Micks camp. Both clean and reacting the same considering volume and compression. I use two Award-Session 5E3-extra amps. You might like to check them out when you do a new transistor amp feature. Keep up the good work.
Great explanation guys!!!
I own one of the last of the great 80s rack amps, the Hughes & Kettner Access, a two-space rack preamp, now a virtual collector's item. It has a Midi Preamp with three channels, a midi-programmable graphic EQ, and three midi-selectible effects loops, followed by H&K's popular speaker simulator outputs in addition to the normal stereo outputs. The Access is meant to be a "Bradshaw rig in a box". The thing was to put a TC-2290 in the H&K's loops, and an amp head like my Mojave Marshall clone in the H&K's midi-selectable "External Preamp Loop", and you could have the whole wet-dry-wet rig just right there. It is so close to perfection!
Great stuff as always
A stimulating episode. Thank you chaps.
PS
I'm convinced it's 'Dry-Wet' rather than 'Wet-Dry' !
Awesome vid, as usual! Many thanks guys :)
08:25 “the boogie and the sensor” possibly the greatest name for a disco/funk group ever
Get in!
Loved Dan's brown sound from 30.15 awesome show guys
Can't wait for another Strat Vlog! That '70(?) sounds amazing!
Jeeze. Even my wife commented about how good Dan's intro playing sounded. That, like, _never_ happens. Did you get it wrong? Evidence suggests otherwise. 🥰 And lest I forget, _THANK YOU_ for giving us the wet/dry with vibrato to create natural chorus. How glorious that is! ❤️ Also, to my ear, that Jam pedal sounded better in vibrato mode wet/dry and wet/dry/wet than it did in chorus mode. YMMV and all that. Very instructive.
Awesome guys great demo at the Birmingham show as well. Mick that LP cranked was 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Thanks Julian! I am flippin LOVING this Lester! :0)
How appropriate! I’ve been experimenting recently with using a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 20 for my “dry” and my old Line6 Flextone III as the stereo “wet”.
Epic sounds all the way through, but the HRM with the Paul, man, i'm hooked!
Epic playing towards the end, Dr. Daniel. The evidence suggests your hair is indeed growing back. But, let's not forget, as my grandfather used to say, "Where there's a clearing, there's civilization."
Really fun episode, boys. Truly a good one for headphones. What a great start to a Friday. Cheers.
I use a TheGigRig Wetterbox to create a Wet/Dry using 1 amp by blending my wet effects in parallel to the direct signal. It's certainly no a true Wet/Dry, but it definitely massively improves the tone at gets pretty close to the sound of my wet/dry setup with two amps! And, I don't need to schlepp a ton of gear 🙂
Wow. This was one of the best sounding episodes ever! Mick, I don't know how you let the waterfall be on the green knobs of the mixer and the Topanga on the blue. The visual mismatch was driving me crazy, haha. The wet/dry/wet sounded epic, but I'm glad TPS wet/dry sounds nearly as good. I've built a Trainwreck Express clone, and just ordered parts to build a Trainwreck Rocket clone. The Express will be my dry amp, the Rocket wet, and they will be split in a 2x12. All because of you guys and the mass amount of knowledge you have let loose over the years. Thanks, guys!
It may please you to know Nick that it was totally doing my head in for the whole video. True story. Hahahaha!
@@ThatPedalShow Haha, I’m glad to hear it. I watched in disbelief, as you didn’t comment, or have Dan do a quick pedal switcharoo to remedy the problem.
Cheers.
This was a great video to test my new earbuds with. Wonderful brain tingling!!
Dan's Impromptu Noodle has more aesthetic, arthistic and musical value than most we hear on the radio these days. Well done Sir.
Thanks guys. I do Wet-Dry all the time when using a modeler. It sounds good and is super easy. When I use a tube amp, Mr. Mono!
That was the most epic intro. Absolute Legend.
I wish I couldn’t play Van Halen like Dan does from 29:38 (or 45:00 for that matter…)
Magnificent show, Galactic playing from both of you!
Sensei tone masters, great video (as always)! Agree with Mr. Tonedragon below. Dan you are a WILD-N-CRAZEE guy ... totally love it! :)
Epic show! Amazing playing !! And you know ... I think you guys have come up with an incredible improvement over the "original wet/dry/wet/whatever".
After attending That Pedal University for a couple of years, here is how I have applied my learning to my budget.
Guitar > Polytune 3 > Radial BigShot ABY
> B Out to Blackstar HT-5R (either Clean or Dirty channel with Reverb on a bit)
> A Out to TC Electronic HyperGravity > Nobels ODR-mini > Tumnus Deluxe > Boss CE-2 (which I've had for nearly 40 years) > Flashback II > Keeley Verb-o-Trem > MXR Classic Overdrive > MXR 10 Band EQ > Katana 50 MkII (usually clean but I can use Flanger or Phaser.)
Mick would say that there will be latency causing phase problems but I can't hear it at apartment levels. Flipping the Phase switch on the BigShot sometimes makes a small difference but usually I don't hear any difference.
Y’all are having a blast and I love it
Don’t forget it’s the most important part 😝
Finally you guys addressed the elephant in the room... this modern day wet-dry-wet isn't technically what we old time sound engineers / guitar players used to do. I was was running the whole wet (left) - dry (center)- wet (right) way back in the mid 1980's. And just like Robben Ford I needed a 20 space rack filled with stuff ! 2 different Guitar pre-amps running into two stereo SPX-90's. Those SPX's went into 4 channels of a 12 channel keyboard mixer that had 2 Aux(fx) sends on ea channel... so I'd send ea Aux to other FX units.. an Eventide and a Delta Lab timeline delay and those would return in stereo to the other channels. I also inserted compressors / gates on the pre-amp channels. And I had a full pedal board with about 8 fx pedals and a custom switching system / router that I designed and built because there were no companies making those things then. The Bradshaw system was $5k to $10,000 in 1986 money. I didn't have that kind of money. So I built everything myself. Built my own fx pedals, switcher / router, cables, even started building my own hand made guitars and finally tube amps. That rig sounded GLORIOUS !! But the rack weighed 120lbs and took a small van to haul it all around in. And every night I had to troubleshoot the gremlins... i.e. the odd ground loops / hum. It was a lot of work ! In the end... by 1991... frustrated I was suddenly struck by a thought..."Geez.. all this just to sound like a really good Marshall cranked.... and it doesn't even sound like that anymore " So I sold it ALL and bought a 50w Marshall head and two 4x12's... which quickly became 2 heads into 2 full stacks.... which slowly lead to hearing loss and insanity. ahhhhh so many vague memories.
LOLss... nowadays I'm running my pedal board into a 3 channel router that sends out to 3 separate channels (clean ch, crunch ch, lead ch.). Those 3 sends go out to any 3 of a dozen hand made tube amps I own / built.. The tube amp outs are all patched into a patch bay that I can then patch the 3 amps I'm using into 3 Torpedo Captor X's. Those 3 Captor X's have stereo xlr outs which I send , along with my Kemper stereo outs, into an all tube custom made 16 channel mixing console going into my UA interface. So I'm still running at least 10 channels. Now this rig sounds freakin epic ! All my amps are handbuilt / custom... 1968 Plexi, 69" Laney Supergroup, Dumble clone, Trainwreck clone, Jose Arrendando modded Superlead clone... and about 6 other custom amps. No more dry channel though.... it's all wet/wet. Ultra mega mondo stereo.
Ha! This is truly awesome. Apart from the hearing loss bit. Thanks for the rememberances Joe!
@@Joe-xe6ev Is there any place I can see pictures of that? It sounds flippin epic!
Awesome video guys! My head is spinning a bit but I use that as an awesome-ness indicator ... 🤪 Great! Cheers!
good gravy jones you got some nice kit in there haha. And it gets used brilliantly as always :D
Hopefully one day I will try this Wet - Dry thing out. Thanks!
Some people will still be unhappy with what you call it but this is an excellent explanation of why this is your approach. Call if Frank and Betty if you like, it just sounds super dooper.
Right about now, Mason Marangella is sitting in his underpants, throwing his beer in the air and shouting "I Told You So..."
All joking aside, great show. I've been using the TPS wet/dry set up for years now. In fact I'm using it tonight. Two Mesa Boogie's and 2x12 cabs, one dry, one wet..!!!
He commented already haha
@@mattflickinger8151 boy did he. I thought that comment of his would never end. 🙄
You guys saved my recording session today with this episode. You have NO IDEA. Thanks
Woah! Glad to be of help!
Fantastic episode. (Currently halfway through) I’d have loved to see a micro pitch shift in there as well, for the Landeau and EVH sounds. The chorus is wide, but the slight detune takes it to the next level!
I think i’m going to put this together with my G-Major 2 and Stereo 2:90 for the Wet channels and everything I’ve currently got for dry.
Stereo detune is my favorite "modulation" sound ever. I totally agree.
I experimented in my Podhd500x with a slight detune and slight delay on one side of a stereo split with different amp models and was instantly taken to 1986. 😉
Where did I see the micro detune in a wet dry thing recently? Was it a vertex video?
@@iansmith7871 might be, but every Landeau and EVH post-DLR video includes it too.
@@iansmith7871 possibly, he just did a video about line out boxes, which featured a wet/dry/wet setup.
Entertaining and educational..."I could feel my hair growing back" ! Classic!
Good lord that intro was glorious!!
I run a split post-drive pedals. Dry signal goes to a Hi-Tone DG50 in the middle. The wet signal eventually splits into 6 lines that get remixed into 2 outputs that go to a Two-Rock Bloomfield Drive on the left and a Victory V40 Deluxe on the right, all 3 amps sitting on vertical 2x12 cabs. For the wet effects, a Harmonius Monk gets split to dual-mono, a Free The Tone Future Factory into L-R stereo delay, and a Source Audio Ventris into L-R stereo reverb, all run in parallel. I run the wet amps at around 69% wet mix. Definitely not a gigging rig... it's purely a piss-the-neighbors-off rig. The biggest challenge I have is balancing levels between the 3 amps, but once it's dialed in, it's epic. Many thanks to you guys for the knowledge and motivation to put this together. Curses to you guys for the money I've spent! Just kidding... keep up the great work!
Ho. Lee. Sheeeeeat! Now that’s a rig!
Really great stuff guys, thanks for doing all the work of putting it together! I found the delay and reverb in parallel to be kind of jarring. Not hearing reverb on the trails was so strange to my single mono ears. It was only apparent a couple times, but when it was, it really stuck out. The Topanga is such a beautiful reverb though.
Fun stuff guys!
The back-to-back W/D/W to W/D comparison was a really nice edit for us. Just shows how massive W/D/W sounds.
It’s the stereo thing - just colossal! Some of that is reduced slightly when you’re not using headphones or sat in a nice stereo monitor mix…. But still, it’s huge!
I enjoyed Dan's Jack Butler impersonation - another great video.
I think you guys should call it ‘TPS Wet/Dry’ because, more importantly than all the technical specs and requirements, you guys have helped introduce this joyous and incredible sound/setup to so many in the guitar community. And those of us who have benefited from your knowledge should pay our due respects in return when referring to it! Hahah seriously though, thank you guys for doing what you love, and for sharing it with all of us so we can learn too🎉😊🕺
Thanks so much Jacob, that’s so very kind of you to say!