Upgrading every release is crazy and if it was me i would upgrade to something that's actually worth it. $$$ for slightly better picture with each release. Not me
@@DETERMINOLOGYwell good thing it’s not you and it’s him. Let that man spend his money how he wants, and you just worry about yourself and what you can or can’t do ”if it were you”
I initially bought the U8N, but I was unimpressed with its black level performance. The hardware is there, but the processing is too weak to fully take advantage of it. As a result, the U8N suffers from severe fluctuating letterbox bars. Sometimes they are inky black, while other times they look like what you would expect on a $300 LCD TV. Truly terrible performance in that regard, which makes the TV unwatchable for me in a dark room. Then I moved to the QM851, which I liked better. It had better motion handling, slightly less impressive color production, but improved black level performance with one caveat-the letterbox bars still fluctuated, though to a much lesser degree. This is simply unacceptable to me on a TV with so many dimming zones, so back it went. On a whim, I decided to try the Samsung QN85D with very low expectations because it has significantly fewer dimming zones than both of these models. However, to my surprise, it absolutely destroys both the Hisense and TCL when it comes to overall black level performance, shadow detail, and letterbox bar performance. The letterbox bars are inky black and do not fluctuate; you can watch it in a completely dark room without distraction. The shadow detail is the best I've ever seen on a mini LED, and the color production is outstanding. The peak brightness capabilities fall behind the Hisense and TCL, but nonetheless, it's still brighter than you're ever going to really need. I used to own a Samsung Q8FN, and I was always impressed with its black level performance despite very few local dimming zones. Samsung seems to use an extremely solid algorithm on their TVs that feature panels with excellent native contrast ratios and fewer dimming zones. The QN85D is virtually the only Samsung TV in the past six years that uses a panel with an excellent native contrast ratio and fewer dimming zones, rather than a poor native contrast ratio with a high zone count. Native contrast ratio is so important even on a panel with substantial local dimming zones, and I don't know why Samsung moved away from this-except for this TV and this TV only in the past six years. Anyway, it's a great TV, and everyone is sleeping on it! I think it's the best mid-range mini LED on the market right now.
Columbo was likely shot on film. It could have easily been remastered for HDR when it was recently remastered for the Blu-ray release. I’m not saying that the studio did or didn’t include the HDR pass in the master, just that it was certainly possible. My dad would love these on BD, but unfortunately he has macular degeneration and can’t see well enough to enjoy them.
For a bright room for just Sports, RUclips and News, are there any slightly less expensive models worth considering? Not too concerned about movies, I have a nicer TV already for home theater.
I don’t know if you have them, but a comparison including Bravia 7 and X90L would be good. They’re in a similar price range in some places, and with Black Friday coming up they could be even more so.
Great video! Quick follow up to your reply on Steve’s video regarding SDR vs HDR settings across these TVs. Does the Hisense U7N allow for dedicated calibration adjustments in SDR vs HDR picture modes within one input? Meaning if my source is always HDMI 1, and it switches between SDR and HDR depending on content, does the Hisense allow for me to dial in SDR settings that do NOT carry over to HDR? And visa versa? Learning the TCLs SDR settings in SDR Movie picture mode carry across to HDR10 movie picture mode if on the same input. Dolby vision seems isolated and separate on tcl. If the Hisense U7N allows for better control of the settings in my case I may let my friend know to swap out the tcl for the Hisense. Thanks so much!
ignore "window measurements", it's all about real content brightness but yes, U7N is indeed a light furnace HOWEVER its contrast and image processing is worse than the QM7
@@Animejook I had the same question, apparently Hisense has QC issues. Sometimes with panel quality, other times its flash memory issue so no OS. These longevity issues get seldom discission time in reviews. So Im going with TCL, not that its anywhere close to Sony, but seems safer than Hisense.
The real question is, which of the TCL and Hisense tvs will last the longest? The Sony most expensive likely less issues and will last tne longest but quite expensive.
It's been consistently demonstrated that TV durability is directly related to (1) price and (2) panel technology type. Edge Lit is the worst regardless of price point. Among miniLED LCD TVs, generally paying $1000 or more gets you better durability. So a cheap Sony under $800 is no better than a similarly priced TCL QM7. This has been the conclusion of Consumer Reports. HOWEVER, this is different than customer support attentiveness which Sony is pretty good at.
Hi FOMO, very interesting video. The qm7 seems like a really good deal. How good is the color accuracy in sdr content on the qm7? Or should I save up to get the qm8? Thanks
QM7 and QM8 very similar color science, both are closer to accurate in 2024 than 2023 but not quite at the level of the U8N. If you value skin tone accuracy, the U8N does it a little better OOTB.
Hi FOMO: is the Hisense 85” QM851 or the Samsung 77” S90D a good upgrade, without braking the bank, for my 7 year old Sony 75” Z9D? I only stream movies and some shows as well as some RUclips videos. Thank you kindly!
@stopthefomo Hey fomo, a couple weeks ago, 100 inch u8k dropped to $3k and I was like “awesome, they’re going down because next gen u8 will be out soon” but didn’t pull the trigger. Now they’re up higher than before at 4k.. 100 inch qm7 is still at 3k. What is your thoughts on qm7 vs u8k? Surely u8k will go down again, and I was hoping to get 5 year warranty if it crapped out and then get the next gen. Should I wait for u8k to drop to again or go qm7? I need 100 inches
hey FOMO, I have a question that only you might know the answer to. I bought a Sony Bravia 9 (yes the $3k B9), and I was trying to change the picture settings for Twitch (android tv app). It turns out absolutely none of the picture settings apply to this app for some reason. For instance, If I lower the color range all the way down to 0, the picture is still in full color. Also it looks like the Twitch content is not being upscaled at all by the Bravia, so if the stream is running at 720p60fps, it looks pretty bad. Should I contact Sony support to ask them why Twitch is preventing all picture settings from being used from the TV? Right now I'm using my ShieldTV to run Twitch, outputting the hdmi signal to 1080p and using the Bravia to upscale it to 4k. Looks much better than the internal Twitch app at least but this is not a long term solution. Thank you
@stopthefomo I just bought a 55qm7 after watching your previous video. I like the TV in most cases for it’s great HDR brightness and contrast and specially for gaming in ps5 or xbox. But I can’t yet figure out specific value for motion settings to get rid of artifacts or judder while watching 24fps content. This is killing me. I use Apple tv 4k, so I mostly watch contents in Dolby vision 4k60 output. I see three options for dolby vision (IQ/Bright/Dark) but I see judder when watching let’s say Hobbit movies in HboMax or 24fps youtube videos. If I set motion settings then i notice artifacts. I had zero motion issues in my previous Vizio M507. Any suggestions on setting up the motion options when you use Dolby Vision output from Apple tv 4k60. It would be awesome if you can make a video for motion settings using Dolby vision. Thanks for making awesome detail videos😊.
Anyway you can help me out, just brought the Model:65A7N Hisense 65” and it keeps freezing and losing internet connection when I have real good Verizon Fios, my router speed is showing download 2389 mbps upload 2477 mbps, tv is in the living room where the router is as well, also tried using a Ethernet cable to have direct WiFi speed, it’s definitely not my WiFi, any advice? Ima call the company next as well, either way thanks
Fomo, Can you help me? My sisters TV just failed. She needs a 75 inch under a G. No sports, gaming, or anything fancy. I tried your Facebook bbut its dead. Thank you
could you make a video on the TCL qm7/qm8 on what these settings do -Dynamic contrast -Black stretch -Dynamic brightness -Micro contrast To me they dont change much or anything. I remember on samsung using contrast enhancer on HDR to make things a bit brightner and best TV settings for xbox😅
Dynamic Contrast brightens everything but screws up shadow detail/color - best for sports to increase legibility of scores and text. Black Stretch does nothing perceptible. Micro Contrast makes dark areas "blacker" but results in black crushing - this is very very content specific if you watch movies that feel a bit too "lifted" and want some darkness.
@@stopthefomo i remember that with samsung contrast enhancer it made what dynamic contrast is suppose to do in HDR in the tcl but i does not do anything for me.
Latest firmware update for the Bravia 9 (dated Sept 16) messed up the ability to adjust picture settings. After watching HDR content you can move the sliders but nothing happens with many of the settings including Gamma and Live Color. Help Fomo!
I cannot confirm, but the QM7 is similar to the C755 (Asia)/C805 (UK Europe), which sits a tier below the C855 which has 1000+ dimming zones and is brighter. But loses slightly on blacks compared to C755.
It's a budget TV so at this point if it lasts 2 years IT'S A BUY. I'm being serious here - below $500 and they're all very similar and what you want is longevity and ease of use nothing more.
Because U8N vs QM8 review was done, ultimately both very similar with U8N showing slightly worse tone mapping but better color accuracy and shadow accuracy OOTB. The U7N on the other hand is slightly worse all around despite being bright - QM7 is the better comparison as it’s a similar price. If you can afford the U8N do not consider the U7N!
@@stopthefomo thanks fomo I have a90j in my good sound room but I need a good tv for beach house but I do not want to spend lots of money which one should I get the 75 U8n or tcl c855 ?
Pointless reviewing twiddling around with the picture settings, I really Can't notice any difference whatsoever🤔 I'm sticking with my lg oled b1 does what I want it to do for me
@@stopthefomo hi fomo thanks agreed I enjoy your content very detailed. prior to this purchase I owned the hisense 55 inch mini led tv u7hqtuk amazing picture quality butNothing in comparison to the oled.. From a subscriber 😏
Never again TCL I am the most disappointed person in this world and I have a MiniLed C805 model. The TV is a total disaster in terms of motion pictures and there has never been such a bad TV in the world. To buy the worst regular Sony LCD TV would be like hitting the jackpot against these crappy TVs from TCL.
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Have the QM7, and i am not disappointed, this tv is amazing! Grabbing the QM8 on black friday, hopefully.
Upgrading every release is crazy and if it was me i would upgrade to something that's actually worth it. $$$ for slightly better picture with each release. Not me
@@DETERMINOLOGYwell good thing it’s not you and it’s him. Let that man spend his money how he wants, and you just worry about yourself and what you can or can’t do ”if it were you”
@@champchamberlain sure but logic makes sense. People don’t use it anymore
What I've been waiting for, the Columbo Shootout! Great work FOMO.
Not budget, but mid-range TVs! Budget ones are like Hisense A6K and TCL P635.
budget high end or midrange fs
@@awesomeguyat7771budget high end is Hisens QD7N-- QLED !
Uline is mid rage - pricing but mid high/High quality
I initially bought the U8N, but I was unimpressed with its black level performance. The hardware is there, but the processing is too weak to fully take advantage of it. As a result, the U8N suffers from severe fluctuating letterbox bars. Sometimes they are inky black, while other times they look like what you would expect on a $300 LCD TV. Truly terrible performance in that regard, which makes the TV unwatchable for me in a dark room. Then I moved to the QM851, which I liked better. It had better motion handling, slightly less impressive color production, but improved black level performance with one caveat-the letterbox bars still fluctuated, though to a much lesser degree. This is simply unacceptable to me on a TV with so many dimming zones, so back it went. On a whim, I decided to try the Samsung QN85D with very low expectations because it has significantly fewer dimming zones than both of these models. However, to my surprise, it absolutely destroys both the Hisense and TCL when it comes to overall black level performance, shadow detail, and letterbox bar performance. The letterbox bars are inky black and do not fluctuate; you can watch it in a completely dark room without distraction. The shadow detail is the best I've ever seen on a mini LED, and the color production is outstanding. The peak brightness capabilities fall behind the Hisense and TCL, but nonetheless, it's still brighter than you're ever going to really need. I used to own a Samsung Q8FN, and I was always impressed with its black level performance despite very few local dimming zones. Samsung seems to use an extremely solid algorithm on their TVs that feature panels with excellent native contrast ratios and fewer dimming zones. The QN85D is virtually the only Samsung TV in the past six years that uses a panel with an excellent native contrast ratio and fewer dimming zones, rather than a poor native contrast ratio with a high zone count. Native contrast ratio is so important even on a panel with substantial local dimming zones, and I don't know why Samsung moved away from this-except for this TV and this TV only in the past six years. Anyway, it's a great TV, and everyone is sleeping on it! I think it's the best mid-range mini LED on the market right now.
QM7 looks best to me. I bought the Q7 last year and still loving it.
I love the side by side comparisons. Thank you for your hard work! 💛
Thanks for going over the QM7 FOMO allot of people haven’t gone over it and for 500$ or less for the 55” i personally think it’s a huge win
Finally, someone had the balls to do the columbo test. Lol. Great video.
It’s all BRIAN
Rtings rates u7N as the preferred choice.
Better contrast, more accurate color & reflection handling.
qm7 still a better buy tho, cheaper and better built/ more reliable
Following the premier chat the other day talking about columbo and having a raucous seeing this today made me laugh 😅😅😅
This is my new favorite channel 😁 Thanks bro!!
“Just one more thing…” Great review! 🕵️♂️
Columbo was likely shot on film. It could have easily been remastered for HDR when it was recently remastered for the Blu-ray release. I’m not saying that the studio did or didn’t include the HDR pass in the master, just that it was certainly possible. My dad would love these on BD, but unfortunately he has macular degeneration and can’t see well enough to enjoy them.
For a bright room for just Sports, RUclips and News, are there any slightly less expensive models worth considering? Not too concerned about movies, I have a nicer TV already for home theater.
I don’t know if you have them, but a comparison including Bravia 7 and X90L would be good.
They’re in a similar price range in some places, and with Black Friday coming up they could be even more so.
Bravia 7 is similar to the X95L and a tier better than the X90L in contrast/blooming so it is worth the premium over the X90L.
Great video! Quick follow up to your reply on Steve’s video regarding SDR vs HDR settings across these TVs. Does the Hisense U7N allow for dedicated calibration adjustments in SDR vs HDR picture modes within one input? Meaning if my source is always HDMI 1, and it switches between SDR and HDR depending on content, does the Hisense allow for me to dial in SDR settings that do NOT carry over to HDR? And visa versa? Learning the TCLs SDR settings in SDR Movie picture mode carry across to HDR10 movie picture mode if on the same input. Dolby vision seems isolated and separate on tcl. If the Hisense U7N allows for better control of the settings in my case I may let my friend know to swap out the tcl for the Hisense. Thanks so much!
but wait, I heard the U7N has only 1500 nits while the QM7 has 2000 nits. how is the U7N brighter?
ignore "window measurements", it's all about real content brightness but yes, U7N is indeed a light furnace HOWEVER its contrast and image processing is worse than the QM7
@@stopthefomo so if u had to chose between those two, is the qm7 the tv you'd chose?
@@Animejook I had the same question, apparently Hisense has QC issues. Sometimes with panel quality, other times its flash memory issue so no OS. These longevity issues get seldom discission time in reviews. So Im going with TCL, not that its anywhere close to Sony, but seems safer than Hisense.
@@anulearntech You've made the right choice. TCL's generally have better longevity. Hisense really needs to get their quality control together.
Wow I love this. Columbp is my favourite!!
The real question is, which of the TCL and Hisense tvs will last the longest? The Sony most expensive likely less issues and will last tne longest but quite expensive.
It's been consistently demonstrated that TV durability is directly related to (1) price and (2) panel technology type. Edge Lit is the worst regardless of price point. Among miniLED LCD TVs, generally paying $1000 or more gets you better durability. So a cheap Sony under $800 is no better than a similarly priced TCL QM7. This has been the conclusion of Consumer Reports. HOWEVER, this is different than customer support attentiveness which Sony is pretty good at.
I love Columbo.😊
Great review!!
Grays/greys seem a little off on the QM7. Columbo's jacket seems off. Unless he is wearing his trademark raincoat which is beige.
Unfortunately capturing color is not going to be accurate regardless due to camera sensor differences, your tv, etc HOWEVER they’re all fairly close
Hi FOMO, very interesting video. The qm7 seems like a really good deal. How good is the color accuracy in sdr content on the qm7? Or should I save up to get the qm8? Thanks
QM7 and QM8 very similar color science, both are closer to accurate in 2024 than 2023 but not quite at the level of the U8N. If you value skin tone accuracy, the U8N does it a little better OOTB.
@@stopthefomo Thank you, I appreciate that.
If the u8n does a better job with skin tones, would that make the u8n better for sdr satellite content? Thanks fomo.
Hi FOMO: is the Hisense 85” QM851 or the Samsung 77” S90D a good upgrade, without braking the bank, for my 7 year old Sony 75” Z9D? I only stream movies and some shows as well as some RUclips videos. Thank you kindly!
Does Jennifer Gala Like Columbo ????? Columbo just murdered this test ;)
@stopthefomo Hey fomo, a couple weeks ago, 100 inch u8k dropped to $3k and I was like “awesome, they’re going down because next gen u8 will be out soon” but didn’t pull the trigger. Now they’re up higher than before at 4k..
100 inch qm7 is still at 3k. What is your thoughts on qm7 vs u8k?
Surely u8k will go down again, and I was hoping to get 5 year warranty if it crapped out and then get the next gen. Should I wait for u8k to drop to again or go qm7?
I need 100 inches
FOMO which one (U7N vs QM7) has the best viewing angle??? It seems you forgot about the viewing angles of both VA panels.
VA panels are all similar with the exception of Bravia 9
I read in one comparison that QM7 has clearly better viewing angles than U7N
Dammit I need to watch Columbu for a billion time
just got the u7n today. any calibration tips or recommended settings?
I have just returned it back
@@Amigo_MellyWhy? What did you not like about it?
hey FOMO, I have a question that only you might know the answer to. I bought a Sony Bravia 9 (yes the $3k B9), and I was trying to change the picture settings for Twitch (android tv app). It turns out absolutely none of the picture settings apply to this app for some reason. For instance, If I lower the color range all the way down to 0, the picture is still in full color. Also it looks like the Twitch content is not being upscaled at all by the Bravia, so if the stream is running at 720p60fps, it looks pretty bad.
Should I contact Sony support to ask them why Twitch is preventing all picture settings from being used from the TV?
Right now I'm using my ShieldTV to run Twitch, outputting the hdmi signal to 1080p and using the Bravia to upscale it to 4k. Looks much better than the internal Twitch app at least but this is not a long term solution.
Thank you
Not enough Columbo in the Columbo shoutout. Should just pick an episode and work all the way through 😅
@stopthefomo I just bought a 55qm7 after watching your previous video. I like the TV in most cases for it’s great HDR brightness and contrast and specially for gaming in ps5 or xbox. But I can’t yet figure out specific value for motion settings to get rid of artifacts or judder while watching 24fps content. This is killing me. I use Apple tv 4k, so I mostly watch contents in Dolby vision 4k60 output. I see three options for dolby vision (IQ/Bright/Dark) but I see judder when watching let’s say Hobbit movies in HboMax or 24fps youtube videos. If I set motion settings then i notice artifacts. I had zero motion issues in my previous Vizio M507.
Any suggestions on setting up the motion options when you use Dolby Vision output from Apple tv 4k60. It would be awesome if you can make a video for motion settings using Dolby vision. Thanks for making awesome detail videos😊.
Set to native 24p output and let the TV do the conversion. 4K60 means your ATV did the conversion and possibly introduced artifacts
Hisense U8 way to go
Kinda hard to focus on the comparison with a moving head at the bottom 😕
Anyway you can help me out, just brought the Model:65A7N Hisense 65” and it keeps freezing and losing internet connection when I have real good Verizon Fios, my router speed is showing download 2389 mbps upload 2477 mbps, tv is in the living room where the router is as well, also tried using a Ethernet cable to have direct WiFi speed, it’s definitely not my WiFi, any advice? Ima call the company next as well, either way thanks
how are this tvs for gaming who is better?
Fomo, Can you help me? My sisters TV just failed. She needs a 75 inch under a G. No sports, gaming, or anything fancy. I tried your Facebook bbut its dead. Thank you
Do you have calibration settings for the u7n thanks fomo
could you make a video on the TCL qm7/qm8 on what these settings do
-Dynamic contrast
-Black stretch
-Dynamic brightness
-Micro contrast
To me they dont change much or anything. I remember on samsung using contrast enhancer on HDR to make things a bit brightner
and best TV settings for xbox😅
Dynamic Contrast brightens everything but screws up shadow detail/color - best for sports to increase legibility of scores and text. Black Stretch does nothing perceptible. Micro Contrast makes dark areas "blacker" but results in black crushing - this is very very content specific if you watch movies that feel a bit too "lifted" and want some darkness.
@@stopthefomo i remember that with samsung contrast enhancer it made what dynamic contrast is suppose to do in HDR in the tcl but i does not do anything for me.
Thanks
Latest firmware update for the Bravia 9 (dated Sept 16) messed up the ability to adjust picture settings. After watching HDR content you can move the sliders but nothing happens with many of the settings including Gamma and Live Color. Help Fomo!
QM7 is 899 now
If U7N is similar then U8K should be a better model than QM7 even U8K is from 2023 and U8K is the same price now with QM7
I didn't like the U8K as much as QM8 last year. I feel the QM7 is the better TV this year - go with the QM7. U7N is definitely worse than the U8K
How similar is the QM7 to the UK version TCL C855 since we don't have the QM7 over here
I cannot confirm, but the QM7 is similar to the C755 (Asia)/C805 (UK Europe), which sits a tier below the C855 which has 1000+ dimming zones and is brighter. But loses slightly on blacks compared to C755.
@stopthefomo how’s the Hisense qd7? Only 479$ for a 65 inch
It's a budget TV so at this point if it lasts 2 years IT'S A BUY. I'm being serious here - below $500 and they're all very similar and what you want is longevity and ease of use nothing more.
@@stopthefomo so you think these Hisense TVs won’t last?
Hey FOMO, buddy😊
Hisense always looks green or cyan to me. 🥴
Nathanial Flat
Omg why would you not do the U8n in that mix why the 7 ?
Because U8N vs QM8 review was done, ultimately both very similar with U8N showing slightly worse tone mapping but better color accuracy and shadow accuracy OOTB. The U7N on the other hand is slightly worse all around despite being bright - QM7 is the better comparison as it’s a similar price. If you can afford the U8N do not consider the U7N!
@@stopthefomo thanks fomo I have a90j in my good sound room but I need a good tv for beach house but I do not want to spend lots of money which one should I get the 75 U8n or tcl c855 ?
Conclusion: If you like the U7N, QM7, or QM8, buy a Bravia 9. Simple.
😂😂😂 and pay 3k, literally 3 times the price. Yeah pass.
TCL is much "REDDER" why?
slightly over saturated red - needs to be calibrated to be fixed but it's not "terrible" just not accurate
Because comparing tvs when some of them are calibrated and others are not makes perfect sense. LOL! C'mon. How stupid.
Pointless reviewing twiddling around with the picture settings, I really Can't notice any difference whatsoever🤔
I'm sticking with my lg oled b1 does what I want it to do for me
lol upgrading to anything but another OLED is really a downgrade for you unless you’re going 98” for immersion
@@stopthefomo hi fomo thanks agreed I enjoy your content very detailed. prior to this purchase I owned the hisense 55 inch mini led tv u7hqtuk amazing picture quality butNothing in comparison to the oled..
From a subscriber 😏
Never again TCL I am the most disappointed person in this world and I have a MiniLed C805 model. The TV is a total disaster in terms of motion pictures and there has never been such a bad TV in the world. To buy the worst regular Sony LCD TV would be like hitting the jackpot against these crappy TVs from TCL.
Trolls are hilarious 🤣🤣
You brought the "C805" ....."C" class. What did you expect.🙃