Sugar Ray Leonard speaks on Roberto Duran and No Mas documentary - still uncomfortable around Duran
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- 10/15/13 Sugar Ray Leonard reflects back on his famous second fight with Roberto Duran with ESPN for their 30 for 30 No Mas documentary.
Duran was tired of Sugar's bullshit. Dude got annoyed and said fuck this, this dude isnt trying to fight.
Plain and simple Sugar you did not make Roberto Duran quit. The man came from absolutely nothing YOU DID NOT MAKE HIM QUIT.
i liked the when Duran asked Leonard " i gave u a rematch straight away why did it take you seven years to give me one? lol ray knew he couldn't beat duran when he was 100% ready mentally/physically so he waited seven yrs till duran was old and beat him then.
@stirange yeah, well said. the reason why Leonard was beaten in the first time.
Leonard fought Hearns . You trying to say he was scared of No Mas Hearns much harder fight. Ray got detached retina from Hearns . Retired for 3 years get your shit right ! Duran was easy last 2 fights . Leonard learned from 1st fight. After No Mas I wouldn't have given Duran another payday
He was afraid
@@andrelloydc lol yeah right. Duran had his chance and said No Mas No Mas
@@kennethadarne6606 that fight was really close and an awesome fight toe to toe . Not sure Duran did that great, they we're both great if anything, Duran got the decision
Roberto Durand aka hands of stones is considered the best lightweight of all times for a lot of people! he was fearless but a great man by heart
Well said , he was the beat lightweight I have ever seen and I'm nearly 70.
@aaron pryor not a coward, just messed up in the head . I must admit he was controversial, he hit Buchanan low and wouldnt give him a return fight. On the other hand he beat Leanard in the first fight and fought a very close fight with Hagler. Monzon in my opinion would have shopped Hagler. Nothing like boxing, but it's died.
@aaron pryor good point .
aaron pryor...The only coward here is u w ur phony profile name
aaron pryor....Ray beat a 40% version of Duran...We know wt happen when Ray fought a 100% Duran
I don't know that he quit because he was being embarrassed. In my opinion he said,"No mas!" because Ray was clowning around and didn't want to fight so he meant to say fuck this! and nothing else.
lol You don't say "no more" unless you're getting beaten badly and want... no more.
+Patricia Lockard or if you dont speak english and dont really know what it means
eli madr : Yeah ! It reminded me of a bad WWF circus match.
Well said I totally agree.
Fella, Ray Leonard is such a fucking egomaniac...Firstly, he has talked about his SECOND fight with Duran so much, his VICTORY over Duran, he's talked about it so much that most of the sporting world doesn't even know that the so-called 'No Mas' fight was their SECOND bout and not their first....Does Ray explain when on tv chat shows, being interviewed, does he go on about when he and Duran were BOTH fit...and he got his ass kicked by Duran.... I've heard people call Duran a quitter?....A QUITTER?... He was a natural LIGHTWEIGHT, and had no qualms about moving up to Middleweight in order to fight Hagler who would be fighting at his most comfortable Middleweight...and stood toe-to-toe with Marvin for 15 rounds....but Leonard on the other hand, when Hagler called him out time-after-time, and year after year, and Sugar Crafty Ray Leonard continued to postpone, pull out, refuse and then retire, only agreeing to fight Hagler practically 4 years, 4 fucking years after they should've fought, Leonard only coming out of retirement when Hagler had lost his zest and zing, looking older etc... Leonard has admitted that he agreed to give DURAN their 2nd bout, and an opportunity for a desperately needed big payday...however, in doing so, the fight would take place relatively soon, thus giving Duran just enough time to make the weight, but not giving Duran enough time to then get ring-sharp, hence Duran looking exhausted and slow etc...he wasn't embarrassed, he was ill and exhausted....Fact is, and Ray has admitted this...he could NOT beat Duran if Duran was 100 % like he was in Montreal...People say Leonard was the best cause he beat Hagler and Duran and Hearns...but Duran beat Leonard, and hurt him, Leonard didn't hurt Duran, he danced around him...yes, Ray beat Hagler but only when Hagler was rusty and older, whereas Duran fought Hagler years before when Marvin was sharp and angry and ambitious...Leonard beat Hearns but their draw in their second fight he lost....all we have to do is look at Leonard's reaction and his trainer's reaction as the bell goes, signalling the end of the fight...Apologies for the lengthy reply...I just get annoyed when Duran is mocked for supposedly quitting, people say he's a coward or a pussy etc...Duran was no pussy, turned pro at 16 years old, fought to feed his mum and numerous siblings in the slums of Panama, fought whenever, whoever, at whatever weight... remember he got in with Iran Barkley, against doctors orders, even with the boxing world expecting him to lose in the first 2/3 rounds, if that, but he won, he battled at middleweight with a prime young ruthless Barkley....Leonard out of the 4 kings was the biggest pussy...but a crafty clever pussy...giving himself big advantages way before the fight even started...peace...Duran was NOT a quitter my friend...on that night, he was merely exhausted due to rapid weight loss
it's pretty clear now, he beat Duran psychologically, moving, playing, fooling around, making the audience laugh, and let me tell you, I'm latino and there is nothing worst to be in a room with everybody laughing at a joke you don't get, tha is pride folks, Leonard hurt the only weak piont in Duran silly oversized pride... by then Duran was already a legend he was not taking shit from a laughing audience and a clown jumping all around...I get the perspective...but he learned not to be impulsive and to let go of that silly bag...living and learning folks
The culture we are raised in is very macho pride oriented to the point of being narcissistic,with that being said the comment should make more sense
+Motif Satori (Man of the Future) Yeah I hate comments like that
I dont get it why is wrong with stating my background ? are we suppose to be non entities floating in a vacuum ? JIG say it right we are raised with silly macho pride and I'm not proud of that particularly in fact the comment is also self reflection on me and the culture I and Duran come from. That being said Duran should have overcome that bag as a pro and continue the fight. Sure he himself realized that later but late.
CosmicRuna You're profiling.
More to the point though you're generalizing attributes that could apply to anyone and you're marginalizing them to an ethnic background
Leonard knew what he was doing when he got Duran signed for the rematch, he knew Duran's weakness--going big like a Goodyear blimp between fights. Having said that, Duran signed for the fight and he never should have signed for it if he wasn't ready to train 24/7, eat pushups for breakfast and heavy bags for lunch. Saw Duran in his prime and agree with William Major: "the reality of it is when duran was prepared mentally he was unbeatable." Would only add to that, that in Duran's career, he was mentally rock-solid when he was also physically rock-solid.
Duran was ready and did trained 24/7, eat pushups for breakfast and heavy bags for lunch. HE DID IT. The problem was that the fight was arrange too close and didn't give Duran enough time to prepare.
Not so true Duran came from the dumps of Panama, having to fight and steal for food, he went back to his country after the fight and was worshipped like a god and wanted to celebrate a lot after the victory, party and eat, he was free from his childhood poverty, SRL used it to his advantage, he knew he could not beat Duran toe to toe, Durans managers should not of allowed Duran to fight so soon
@@romans003 It was don King he convinced Duran to sign for the fight right away. He made him sign for the Hearns fight as well when he was way overweight at the time.
Duran never actually agreed to the rematch, his management team signed the fight on his behalf he really never had the proper time to prepare for this fight.
Duran was one of the best Lightweights ever. A real hard man. He went in the ring and proved who was the better man. Like Chavez did, and Hagler too. I'd much rather see these fighters in the ring than a SRL or a Whitaker or a Mayweather who just avoid getting hit. That might be good for their health but it's not great to watch.
geoff N dumb ass comment lol
Not true that’s where boxing evolved to , boxer began to focus more on money and survival, the fans have no choice on the fighters of today and how they fight, the ref breaks up the clinch immediately, in the days of Duran they fought toe to toe, in the pocket with amazing tactics, and weren’t broke up in the clench abut battle it out inside, fans enjoyed this type of fighting way more, your a casual
*The reason Duran quit was because he was disgusted with HIMSELF for being HUMILIATED by Leonard and not being able to do ANYTHING about it*. So it was Leonard that made Duran quit, plain and simple. Duran knew he was going to lose the fight badly if he continued. He was a Panamanian national hero after beating Leonard the first time and now he was reduced to a ridiculed former champion. Duran's wife was on video admitting that he stayed in his room and cried and cried after Leonard beat him :-(.
Agree! But I think something happened to him (maybe he was in danger of crapping his pants on national tv) otherwise he could wait until be seat and ask his manager to trow the towell as Joe Frazier did in the Thrilla on Manila.
Duran was definitely frustrated and embarrassed, but he was not getting hurt, at all. Duran thought he was going to throw up his hands and do things his own way. He said basically fuck it this guy's a clown. He realized quickly rather than doing something to show everybody he will not fight with a clown, he lost his title and became a boxer who was deservedly criticized for his actions.
I also think Duran was not feeling well. His cornermen are photographed holding an icebag on his stomach between rounds, but he was not in so much pain that he couldn't box. Maybe he had to go to the bathroom, but truthfully I don't know. He has been boxing his whole life and eats and drinks before bouts in similar fashion, always. I think he was just frustrated and embarrassed and he thought he was doing something to show everybody that Leonard is a clown.
I think Leonard is a great boxer. One of the best welters, ever. I got him at 2nd best, right behind Robinson followed by guys like Napoles and Hearns, etc.
@@nycinstyle damn you duran slurpers got excuses🤣🤣🤣
@@Screencappedhats Nope. Everything I wrote is backed up by evidence. You are an idiot.
nycinstyle Its crazy how y’all can call Leonard, the only one of the four kings to beat the other 3, a clown. Like he’s not one of the greatest of all time😂
Sugar Ray Leonard knows Duran quit because he knew he wouldn't win the fights, since he didn't prepare properly. That's why Leonard has been bothered by it all his life. Leonard wants to believe HE made him quit but that's false and Leonard knows it.
LAC10MEXAME he made him quit
Sugar Ray L didn't make Duran quit Duran just gave up he was there for a fight and he got a guy with gloves on running around and dancing for the fans
As a big fan of Duran I was appalled at the way Leonard acted in that fight but 37 years later when I recall the things Duran said to Leonard and his wife I can't blame him. Still always loved watching Duran fight. In his prime the guy was really something to see. His autobiography is a good read as well.
Don´t believe the whole things that appear on the movie, because not all of their are reals. Specially when we see and hear Leonard as a journalist making comments alive on Duran vs Moore fight, that also didn´t happen. It was put there to make Leonard looks better than he really is.
Man, I am from germany, my father, mom, granfather and so on, so I do not really care about niether of those countries, but after I researched information about both fighters, I clearly saw that Duran was not fighting as always in that second fight, he was slow but did not feel like he did not train well but it does look like when your stomach hurts but you got to go on and that is what he did until he could not resist anymore. I also found that Duran was overweight and that he had to lose all that weight and get into shape in only 3 months while on the other hand Ray was already fit and had more time to practice his moves. No offense to the americans watching but I trully believe that Duran is the better fighter and with more time to prepare he would have won the fight.
Mllr hr Duran ist nach pacquiao und sugar ray robinson mein Lieblingsboxer. Aber das sind Ausreden die du da nennst. Beide wussten worauf sie sich einlassen. p4p ist duran für mich trotzdem besser. Aber beide sind klasse boxer.
No mas - no more chasing, no more clowning. No mas. For Duran, a fight meant literally a fight. To Sugar Ray, a fight was a show and a circus. No mas.
He was getting outclassed and quit on his stool, stop making excuses.
I guess he didint beat him the third time either lol
But duran won in the most important fight, the first, where both were at their best, that's what matters historically
Music Music It would be interesting to find out which of the three Leonard fights for which he is most famous (or infamous)...some historical context you might want to consider. I agree...to true boxing fans, the first is always going to be that marker where they both were at their best but historically, he is known worldwide for quitting. I wish it weren't him but, sadly, it is. What makes it worse is that he and his team made all types of excuses after he quit and the stories just don't add up. Duran was one of the best fighters to ever lace them up...no denying that. But he is a quitter. No denying that, either. By the way, I live in Panama. Just so you know...
He is a quitter? if im correct after that he went to fight hagler first before either hearns or leonard had the balls to fight him, he then went to beat iran barkley, fight pazienza at SMW and imo beat camacho in their first bout, my friend, panama or not, duran was no quitter. Leonard did not want hagler at his best, he was scared shitless, duran moved up and fought a great fight, your telling me that is a quitter? well my friend we have both very different perceptions of what a quitter is
lost respect when i heard he wanted a rematch as soon as possible and duran was fucked up out of shape
Ca- Blaze... Says who? Another in the dark
You're absolutely right. SRL wants to get him in the ring out of shape and then showboat disrespectfully to get in his head. If you're the better fighter Ray, then don't rush back into the ring and don't showboat, just get in there and box and prove it! Cowardly. I hate boxers who show boat.
Ca- Blaze...Ur Right
@@JT-ic9mp i mean he knew he wouldn’t win if he didn’t do that
the first was a unanimous decision... which was mistakenly called a split
Yes I agree that Ray did win hands down. How embarrassing to take a man's championship when he so clearly won.
@@Screencappedhats That's not what he's saying lol
Lucas Cruz you are simply repeating the words from Leonard’s own mouth. Fight an out of shape Duran right away... oddly the fight was still very close making the event all the more bizarre
I don't know why people are calling Sugar Ray a coward and weasel for asking for that rematch. He was obviously doing better because he was fighting the way he wanted to fight, not the way Duran wanted him to fight; the thing that happened in the first fight.
I think Duran quit because he had no other trick up his sleeve other than to keep pushing Ray at the ropes and hit him with all his might. He did that the first fight and it worked well till in the later rounds Ray had it figured out and adjusted his style accordingly. Duran is ruthless but Leonard is damn smart. It always amazes me how he starts the fight as though he has no chance of winning it then it turns out he is not a hard nut to crack. Duran is a great fighter, too, but I prefer Leonard's versatility and flexibility.
He beat Duran not in boxing 😉
He had to stop because he realized his burritos were almost ready at home.
What a trash joke
Two of the greatest fighters ever, Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran.
No problem. After watching 30 for 30 I think most will agree agree with Ray. Duran's reasoning is still erratic. No closure whatsoever
And this was the beginning of Boxing as we know it , just people running and not actually fighting
I KNOW! PUNCHING AND NOT GETTING HIT! HOW DARE THEY!
Leonard in the second fight, mastered the art of looking like he was winning the fight, whether or not he was actually beating Duran was another issue.
I think he was the least revered of the big 4 middleweights but he had the hardest punch.
Leonard is basically saying he made the rematch as quickly as possible so as to give himself an advantage knowing that Duran would be handicapped in the ring by having to take loads of weight off quickly and before anyone comes back on that let's remember that solely because Leonard was an American fighter and Duran was Panamanian it was Leonard who brought all the US money and for Duran to earn a payday he had to dance to Leonard's tune. How unfair that is can be shown that in the first fight despite Duran coming in as a long time Undisputed World Lightweight Champion with an amazing 72-1 record with the sole loss avenged twice and that he was fighting 2 divisions higher Leonard was the one earning far, far more of the purse despite the fact he hadn't been a champion long and the only good opponent he'd beaten was Benitez. What's most telling is Duran asked and lobbied for the rubber match with Leonard straight away but Ray didn't want any off it and instead made the not only older in age but far, far older ring wise Duran wait going on ten years til he was 40 and shot to bits.
who's fault is it duran gained 50 pounds between fights?
He also made Hearns wait until he was sure he was shot before giving Hearns a rematch, the same for Hagler after the war with Mugabi and was talking retirement, then he was willing to taken on Marvin, even though Leonard and Duran were 1-1 in title fights, to your point made Duran wait until he was old, smart move on Ray's part but robs the boxing fans of great fights of fighters at their best
Leonard had been out of the ring two years before fighting Hagler who was in his prime.
hagler vwas finished he stuggled with mugbi who was a j middle weight flat footed slugger ....
Thank you, I hate being "right"...and I will tell you something else, something boxing promoter Jim Jacobs, who was Tysons pal and former promoter, Durans wife had a RADICAL GAMBLING PROBLEM and was into the Panamanian mob for a LOT of money...the deal was Duran had to reduce to 147 and had less than 90 days or the offer was invalid....Yeah bet Ray never mentions this tidbit, and this was told to me in confidence by Jacobs who I initially met through a mutual friend when I was buying and trading Boxing films in the 80's and 90's
TRUE story, and lemme tell ya something NOBODY EVER had a bad word to say about JIm Jacobs, who was one of the classiest men in all of boxing, and was my friend...He was NOT a man given to rumor, nor would he share anything that was unsubstantiated.
Peace to all boxing fans
Sugarman, that's why he walked out on you. He didn't want to give the pleasure of beating him. You didn't beat him, he quit. You didn't make him quit, he quit on his terms. Duran never uttered the now infamous words, "no mas." Those words were just media hype. What he actually said after throwing up his arms in disgust, not frustration (he was only behind by one point), disgust, was, "Yo no voy a pelear con este payaso." Translated to English: "I'm not going to fight this clown." This was not a fight to Duran. It was a circus and he didn't want any part of it. Latinos fight to establish who is the better man. Who is the toughest man, toe to toe. Latin people won't tolerate running, dancing, in their champions. They want to be entertained with a fighter's ferocity, aggression and hopefully, a perfectly built K.O. in the end. Like it or not, that's what entertains. And Duran was that. Not a dancer, but a fighter who wanted to hurt anyone who dared to enter his ring. Sugar outsmarted Duran with an immediate rematch and the dancing, but he didn't beat him in a fight. And Sugar knows this. It spoiled his victory. Hats off to Sugar. He was a brilliant boxer, technician and business man, but toe to toe, Duran was the better man.
Agreed. Tyson was a BEAST!
Hoka Hey that is nothing but excuses. Everyine has excuses. You can always fall back on them. You don't quit. Like sugar said " you'll carry me out the ring" before I quit. Sugar Ray was in his face when Duran quit. Duran wasn't frustrated because Leonard wouldn't fight- that BS- Duran quit because Ray wouldn't stand still and let him hit him. Leonard bobbed, danced, counterpunching Duran at will. Right in his face. Duran was too slow to fight and Leonard's punches were hitting harder as the fight went on. He knew the inevitable outcome of that. Also, the game is called Boxing, not Fighting. Maybe Duran was a better street fighter, but Sugar Ray was a supreme boxer.
Leonard was ahead by only 1 point at the time Duran quit. He wasnt being dominated. Yes, he knew he wasnt in shape to last 15 at this pace. No way he gets ko'd though. Loose by UD, yes. It's a matter of tastes. Some like Ali. Some like Tyson. I never liked the «technicians». I like the Haglers and the Chavez'. I'll give you this much though, Sugar should be ranked higher than Duran in all-time greats, but he's not. Sugar is 12 and Duran is 6. Even though Sugar beat the guys that beat Duran.: Benitez, Hearns and Hagler. All Im saying is that Sugar wanted to beat Duran on his terms. Duran took that from him. Chickenshit way, though ill admit. But in a brawl, Duran has the edge.
Hoka Hey Sorry, but this is BOXING... not Rock Em Sock Em Robots. Duran quit, because SRL was making him look foolish like he had never fought a day in his life.
Hoka Hey Both great fighters. But Duran was Mr Macho and he was a bully. He taunted Leonard at the end of the first fight which he won unanimously but he hated it when Leonard taunted him in the second fight over a sustained period and hearing people laugh in the crowd hit his machiso where it hurts. Leonard boxed him and his machismo made he feel humilitated that's why he quit. But it was Leonards skill and antics that made him quit. If Duran had the balls to fight on who knows if he could have turned it around but he was not far behind when he quit. Remember Duran was the only fighter to beat Leonard in his prime and Duran used the same out of the ring tactics that Mayweather uses. Remember when you turn the tables on a bully their mind gets hazed and they make bad decisions. The older Mayweather would also have frustrated the hell out of Duran and tied him up more in the clinches and won on points. The younger Mayweather who took chances but who also hit with more combinations v Duran would have been interesting.
Leonard acts like this was a major stain on Duran's legacy......and really it wasn't. It was something weird that happened but Duran more than made up for it. It tortured Duran for a little while but not for long. This movie makes it look like Duran never lived it down and in truth he moved rather quickly and rather successfully. Why don't any of these guys ask Duran why did he make him wait 10 years for a 3rd fight
+amensupremera Sadly it is true. Duran's career will always be remembered for those 2 words he uttered out of frustration on that night rather than his 100+ wins or 70 knockouts
it was, most people know duran for this fight.
Big fan of Ray Leonard and bigger fan of Duran but there is no question ......Duran was paid to lay down for the last 2 fights, he owned Leonard ........Duran is the GOAT!
great fighter and a very intelligent man what a guy!
Funny he wanted to fight Duran right away but shunned Hagler for three years and never gave him the rematch.
Duran beat you at your best Ray..get over it..The movie explains best.
ramiro agreed
lol yeah and a Duran movie wouldn't be a little bias would it? lmao let's just believe the movie.
LOL, Duran beat SR at Duran's game. Ray beat Duran at Ray's game.
Chicken no mas
Aubrey Polgreen ...2nd fight, a 40% Duran...Notice that a 3rd fight didn't happen, chicken 🐣🐓🐤 Ray didn't want a 100% Duran...Duran is 5 1/2 yrs older, smaller, shorter reach....Imagine if Duran had a black mans physical attributes
I USED TO THINK OUT OF HAGLER ,HEARNS ,LEONARD AND DURAN THAT LEONARD WAS THE BEST AND BY THE WAY THEY ARE ALL AWESOME..BUT MORE YOU DELVE INTO EACH FIGHTER THE HANDS OF STONE AT HIS PEAK GETS MY VOTE..
Sorry. .leonard only one that defeated all of them
Duran was there to fight, Diet Sugar Ray was there clown around.
And yet the weaker man quit
I'm not understanding people's logic here. The second fight took place 5 months after the first one. That's plenty of time to get back in shape and fight again. You could take 2 weeks off and celebrate a victory then get back in the gym and get ready to fight again. It's Duran's own fault if he was out of shape (which I don't think he was) Ray made Duran fight Ray's fight and Duran quit because he was out matched mentally. Duran couldn't get Ray to fall into the same trap and Duran was paying for it, and he didn't want any more.
+Brandon Tasciotti agreed
Ray said that he wanted to fight Duran "ASAP." Which means Duran knew within a week that Ray wanted to fight again, so if Duran went ahead blew up in weight, then that was his fault entirely.
On another note, Duran shouldn't have quit, he was very much still in the fight and could have turned it around.
+Pendejo Why just say half truths. Duran beat SRL clean and square in the first fight, Duran took the second fight for the money, when he made pennies in south america, he simply could not refuse that money no matter the circumstances of the fight, not when he made 100 times less in South america. Duran was totally wrong to take the fight at the short notice he did, definitely going for the 'buck' Duran used to put on loads of weight when not in training, you can't get in the warrior condition in the short space of time he had to, I'm suprised Eleta and Brown (Durans cornermen) took the fight? why did Leonard call all the 'Shots', I wouldn't have had Ray Charles sing the national anthem and all that razzamatazz if I'd had been Duran, Duran is a proud man, all that 'Clowning' was too much for his ego, he wasn't in good condition, if he had have been he'd have knocked Leonard out.
But you see, SRL didn't have the self respect he needed to be a boxer's boxer like Roberto Duran, if he wanted a real rematch he would not have pushed money to make and exploit a 200+ pound Duran fight him ASAP, he would have made sure that Duran was in the Same condition as in the first fight and taken a win or a loss like a man. All he did is was light tags and run. SRL was fearing Duran still in the 2nd fight and didn't engage in a boxing match, but a circus act which lacks sportsmanship and is a disgrace to his name. He regrets it even now, but i think he understands his personality shortcomings come from being an abused child and he probably watched cartoons boxing parodies when he was young to resort to act like a fool which is out of place when facing as formidable boxer as Duran. SRL He had given up on boxing and was trying to beat Duran with ego games and apparences, running and frustrating the opponent by not boxing, that lame legacy continues with Gayweather.
Duran was a proud boxer and respectful of the art of boxing, you cannot be a true fan of boxing and not bow to the man.
The sad thing is SRL will never get closure. It would have been better for him to fight a Duran that was prepared and get knocked down by him. Because there is more glory in loosing like a man against Roberto Duran, than to win like a sissy.
Eric Astier Duran took on the fight, no one made him.
Duran was notified almost immediately of Leonard's intent to rematch, which means he didn't have much time to blow up in weight and get out of shape, not at the world class level Druan fought at.
Duran had almost five months to train and get back in shape, but if he couldn't, he never asked for a postponement.
The first fight, it's true that Duran beat Leonard, but it was Leonard's fault for fighting Duran's fight instead of using his attribute, which he successfully exploited in the second. And a "boxing match" was exactly what Leonard did in the second fight.
And finally, Duran quit, gave a lame excuse to which even his own corner didn't buy.
I am a boxing fan, and I still acknowledge Duran as the greatest lightweight champion ever, but facts are facts when you see past your emotions.
Pendejo And you are talking with your emotions, your words strike me as biased like all Leonard apologizers who try to excuse his circus act that Duran wanted no part in "no mas". Later Leonard regretted what he did, it was not in the spirit of the sport, and deep inside just between him and Duran he knows Duran is the better boxer but as most black ego has it, would rather live with a lie. He had the second fight orchestrated from the dragging opening credentials with black singers going overboard with the national anthem and a paid black crowd or at least some blacks that haggled duran constantly and were seeing this as a race matter to get a win by any means and his clowning on the ring engaging the black crowd to defame his opponent. He ruined both careers that day. The truth is at their pro level it's always possible to get on the ring with another boxer and dodge the fight (which has inspired mayweather more than anybody else since) The rules of boxing are too lenient when someone is trying to displace the sport into something it was not meant to be. What most people will remember is that Leonard could not box Duran and win (and if their path had met in the 70's when Duran was in his prime he would have been a short affair), Duran dominated him so much in Montreal he had no chance to win if he was just boxing, he was not able to impose his style on Duran and he knew that by the second fight. No doubt too that the black stars community of the day had pushed leonard to exploit less honorable means as his big loss in Montreal was a huge blow to their very susceptible egoes. In Montreal Leonard started toe to toe but toward the second half of the fight had moved out considerably and yet was still outboxed and nearly ended the night on the canvas. Great boxers prevent opponent from using their usual boxing style, this is what happened.. It's not that SRL did not box from the outside in Montreal, he could not with Duran. In the second fight, he did what mayweather do today, which personally I have zero interest in and that isn't boxing, he ran and circled away the whole time. Bottom line, Duran proved to be so superior to Leonard, that Leonard had no other choice if he wanted a second fight than to do something unconventional and not in the vein of boxing. He did not win by boxing that day, he won by frustrating Duran by rallying a racially motivated black crowd and dodging a proper boxing contest. Another thing is that Duran was so confident after the first fight that he saw a second fight as an easy challenge even without preparing it. But he expected SRL would come to fight a real boxing match which he didn't.
Their career records too says a lot 72-1 for Duran versus 36-1 for SRL. Roberto Duran was the most rounded and skillful fighter pound for pound almost artistically and the most influential to other boxers and yes that includes Leonard to this day that he had to go to Panama to meet him not long ago.
From the outset of this interview, the reporter wrongly states that the 1st Duran - Leonard bout was "a split decision" & Leonard did not correct the reporter knowing full well that the 1st bout was a unanimous decision for Duran. Also, Duran had moved up a full 12 lbs from lightweight to beat SRL, the premier welterweight of that era. Duran is easily one the all time great boxers!
if being laughed at is what it takes to lose then you were doomed from beginning with. Boxing is 90% psychological. Don't ever use your absence of "pride" as an excuse as to why you lost. If pride helped you win before, then it must've of been hard on the opponent who didn't have that pride -- meaning they had to try to win without as much pride by default. If you used the pride to win, you're gonna have to survive without it sooner or later. In life, everything is put to account. You can't say you deserve it more because you're more talented or more athletic. If you were not able to show up and get the job done, it is YOUR FAULT, PERIOD. Guess why.... because this a PROFESSIONAL competition, NOT AMATEUR.
Only time Duran should be brought up is when talking about cowards
Say it to his face haha. Nothing cowardly he didnt wanna fight a clown
Exactly. I thought it cheap that he wanted more from Duran in way of an answer. Pissed me off. Closure for what?? Ray screwed himself over.
I agree with you 100% Leonard should have went to Hagler and explained to him why he felt he won that fight which he lost IMO and gave Hagler the same chance he gave Duran. Leonard a great champion but he’s always been about ego and narcissism to himself. Duran beat him first fight in the middle of the ring!
Duran quit because he couldn't catch Leonard, and Leonard was making fun of him. But he should have known, that in the rematch, after losing fighting toe-to-toe, Leonard would try to fight his own way, from a distance, like he did after that against Hagler. Thats his style and thats part of the game, and Duran normally knows, as a pressure fighter, how to cut the ring and break the ribs of these type of guys. But maybe this one was too quick for him.
This is all 100% true but for Sugar Ray Leonard that fight was rife with dissatisfaction because the man he hated the man he despised was not the man we made quit that night the man he beat was the Roberto Duran we all remember but for leonard it was if he was fighting a completely diffrent person bittersweet because his opponent in reality was not the one he swore in his mind. But end of he got back what he needed
The most complete and versatile boxer I've ever seen in 54 years. He could box, fight, etc. He could do whatever he wanted and win (except beat Duran in a "fight.").
Gator Mark, you mean in a clinch and hold contest. Ray beat him otherwise.
Karl24-7 You thought the first fight was a clinch and hold fight? Wow, nothing could be further from that. Sugar Ray fought Duran’s fight and it was beautiful. One of the greatest fights in history.
But it is a "boxing match" not a "fight" or a "brawl".
@@alandenson6649 Very true. SR made the mistake of trying to "fight" the first boxing match. He boxed the subsequent ones.
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HE...GREW..UP...AS...A...JOE...LOUIS..FAN.....ON...HIS..DEATHBED...HE....TOLD...ME...THAT...DURAN....WAS....THE...BEST...HE....EVER...SAW...IN...HIS....LIFETIME.
i agree with your dad.maybe i'm too young to adore duran since i did'nt catch his heydays in boxing,but as a great fan in boxing i knew him a lot thru documentaries and his recorded fights.and i compare him with the existing fighters nowadays then i have my conclusions, nothing compares my idol,,,DURAN is the man,
Annyonomus 777 That’s why yo ass lonely now bru
Wow. Sooo cool. Props to. Dad
@TGP 777 bastard.
Here is Leonard still trying to catch some attention on the shadow of Duran greatness. He knew a movie on Roberto's life is on the making and desperately tried to capitalized on this. I would say after all these years he couldn't get over it! Iam not talking about the no mas fight but the fact that he lost to a man that went up 2 categories to face him on his own territory.
Sugar Ray won the first fight in Montreal. Sure Duran won the early rounds and hurt Ray, but the middle and later rounds Ray dug deep and won. No fighter ever had a bigger heart than Sugar Ray Leonard.
Bull Duran won that fight and would of won the second if he had more time to train!! He worked out only to lose the weight!!.
Is you a boxer, or is u a ballerina?
rosinantedelafuente Call him what you want, but he still beat your idol Duran
rosinantedelafuente that what boxing is am not a fan of none of em but nigga boxig is da sport of hitting and not getting hit
I don't understand what SRL isn't getting here. He clearly says 'I wanted to fight Duran in bad shape' when he asks Duran what happened he tells him he was in bad shape....where's the mystery coming from as to what happened?
No SPLIT decisión in their first fight...Duran won by Unanimous decision
36-3 and two gold medals in the Olympics yea Sugar Ray is nice...
People these days give respect where its due if the man won he won he didnt do anything illegal in the fight he won there isnt no he was playing around he was doing this he was doing that like yall that mad that sugar ray made duran quit?
Goofy sugar ray. Awesome fighter. But it was disrespectful.
Glock Nyneteen that's why it was so great
Duran was way more disrespectful
the fabulous four; LEONARD, HEARNS, HAGLER,DURAN,but the toughest and the braviest of them is DURAN,,the remaining three are formidable fighters too.
Is there a documentary available here? Can't seem to find it.
total bs duran won unanimous verdict in first fight
That's right. The Italian judge changed his mind later on and scored it 148-147 Duran. If anybody wacth the interview a few days after the figth, Howard Cosell explained this clearly. And one more thing, it was Cosell who said the words "No mas" and not Duran. What Duran really said, and this doesn't change things a round for Duran, was "No peleo con este payaso" (I don't fight with this clound).
the difference between them is that Duran was actually a man, Leonard was..........well, human at least
He beat Iran Barkley who beat Hearns twice at 37 years old, so I'm thinking there's a chance.
this is the Roberto, that at 32, defeated Moore, at 37 defeated Iran Barkley, does anybody remember that?
Sure ...and that's why I laugh at folks who say Duran wasn't in his prime in montreal...he never fought a better fight or better fighter than he did that night
I know something about the fight in New Orleans Ray - will tell you if interested. I carried Duran's bucket from the ring for Freddie Brown (who was enraged) and was with Alfonso Castillo next day who was with Duran that night after that fight. And I know Duran - lived in Panama for almost two years. (He never spoke about it - ever.)
I love his shirt, by the way. sugar ray robinson.
He never said no mas
They didn't give Duran time to train for that fight because they knew if they did he would have won again....I would never understand way Duran team took a fight like that on short notice...He didn't have time to get ready....
Fight was fixed . That was Duran's way of getting out of taking the dive. Duran had not lost a fight in eight years. Duran could kick Sugar rays butt any day.
why is Ray always wearing SUGAR RAY ROBINSON shirts every time he's on TV? No Ray, you are Leonard, he was the real Sugar Ray, you stole his name too.
He must be a fan of Robinson. Leonard and Robinson were great, certainly better than Duran.
Get Money history books say different.
blite13 How so.
Get Money Duran is considered a top 10 all-time great, Ray Leonard isn't
blite13 There are too many top 10 lists. Frankly, the ones I've looked at, I've never seen Duran. I always see Ali, Robinson, Mayweather, Leonard, Tyson, etc.
Hearns fight he didn’t train either right and Leonard did . This is why I respect Floyd he never neglected his condition
I hate that Duran quit that night because Leonard was only winning by 2 rounds with plenty of rounds left. We’ll never know Leonard could have went on and dominated the remaining rounds or Duran could have came back and won again but we’ll never know. What I do know is that they are both 2 of the top 10 greatest fighters ever in any era
Yeah, people often forget that it was a relatively competitive fight. After all, Duran could box (just like Leonard proved in Montreal that he could brawl). I guess, Leonard would have won the later rounds because Duran was badly out of shape due to months of partying after their first bout. Once saw an interview with one of Duran's sparring partners who said Duran stopped because he had to go to the toilet. He supposedly hadn't managed to stop his uncontrolled eating before the fight. Lol.
No matter if Duran wasn't mentally or physically ready for the fight or not,you do not surrender a world title that easy. I didn't think Leonard had him hurt at all during the course of the fight,just outpointing him and frustrating him. A world champion should never surrender his belt in that particular fashion...He should've gone all the way.lost with dignity and said that he wasn't prepared,and let's do a rubber match...Duran was a great champion but a lot of people still don't forgive him for this!!
Duran was down by 1 point on one of the cards, what a beatdown, he knew it was hopeless, he would never get that 1 point.
great questions
The mexican "Quit"... What a dishonor to his race. Face it... There's no such thing as a legendary fighter who was a "quitter". Like Ray said... "he made Roberto quit"... Period!
Then I´m glad that Duran is not Mexican.
Duran was a beat man sugar Ray Leonard was the better fighter
At that time he was. But duran beat sugar ray in his prime
Leonard was a great fighter.top 10of all time.classy guy.duran was greater .top 5 of all time.this guy never took care of himself.if he would have taken care of himself he would have been the greatest of all time
because sugar ray fought as a clown and it was a circus that was why Duran said no more.
So your great fighter quit against a clown😂🤣???
Jim Carrey would be boxing champion if that is the case...
sounds like something a fuckin loser would say.
May weather took from Rey and other fighters.
Rey was more of a Ail. You guys do not know boxing !
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yah, but you spell the dude's name wrong LMAO
@@fastfootedone typos😁 the auto correct isn't so correct
Duran is the best pound for pound fighter in the world in the last 40 years...
Coolcal8, Roberto's Dad was Mexican, Roberto's Mom was from Panama, Roberto was born and raised in Panama! He said that himself recently at the Mexico vs Panama world cup soccer game! Seems to me you should get your facts straight before you call someone a stupid ignorant.
Wow great stuff thnx fo posting
Ray Leonard clearly went to the Oscar DLH school of media coaching. He clearly thinks long and hard before -- and during -- answering questions so he says the right thing (PC that is). They are so fake the two of them.
Duran is better than Leonard, both in their prime Duran won, the second fight Duran quit rather than Leonard won, they should have had a 3rd fight right away but Leonard said no because he knew he couldn't win and the 3rd one didn't take place until many years later
i Still like Duran better!!! even if he did quit once for whatever reason!!!! Heart of a lion!
Pretty much they never fought eachother at their best. Duran beat Sugar by getting in his head and Sugar beat Duran by catching him out of shape. The third fight Duran was old.
@Numba1prospect yeah it suks but Ray seen how much it was affecting Roberto, and I think Ray did the right thing and jus let it go. He knows he made duran quit, and he doesn't need Roberto to say it Ray can see it in his eyes.
Roberto duran does look like charles manson xD
Roberto Duran used to eat pounds of meat before each fight. Nobody ever did a thing like that, and I truly believe the "no mas" fight was because he was in danger of crapping his pants on national television, which would have been too great a blow to his pride.
This is an awesome stoner story.
LOL that was wicked awesome!
Agree, I think that is a strong possibility he decides to quit.
It's the only explanation. The guy was completely fearless. The only thing that would make him quit was embarrassment.
SRL was such a classy guy. This was his nice way of saying Duran couldn't outbox Ray.
Leonard had a way of ducking fighters and always tried to get an unfair advantage whenever he could. For the Hagler fight; he wanted a bigger ring, 10 oz gloves instead of 8oz, 12 round fight instead of a 15 rounder, and Hagler gave in to all those concessions. Duran's manager railroaded him into a quick rematch when he obviously wasn't ready. Duran should have (since he was the defending champion), chose the location, the date and terms of the rematch, not Leonard. The chicken-shit gave Duran, Hearns a rematch 10 years later, never gave Hagler, Benitez a rematch. Leonard's record is suspect, and not Hall of Fame.
Leonard is a Hall of Famer, saying a 4-division world champion and gold medalist is not an HOFer craps all over your whole point. And if Duran is one of the baddest and greatest fighter EVER, how is someone a chicken-shit coward to fight them under any circumstances? Please brag over the internet about fighting Roberto Duran yourself even at age 60 Duran would make silly loudmouths like yourself into real chicken shits.
But I like some of your points. Leonard was very picky and his style was frustrating not dominating. Leonard did not stand in the pocket so much and really pranced around with flurries that did not hurt Duran. I believe Leonard could have beaten Duran up bad but, he never really did it. Leonard was not right to Hagler and he ended up w/ bad karma getting KO'd several times later in life. At the same time, Leonard had balls to go meet Hagler at his comfort weight of 160 not 154. Finally, Floyd Mayweather would really mess up Duran- pull counters, hit his body, defensively slip punches in the pocket. Floyd may NOT dominate Hearns, Hagler but he would wreck Duran even more than he would Pacquiao. Hearns killed Duran to end Duran's macho shit anyways.
36 "Wins" 3 Losses 1 Draw
Should be 34 Wins 5 Losses (Sugar Gay didn't win the rematch with Hearns, he even admitted as much, nor did he win against Hagler) Between 1980 to 1997 Sugar Gay fought 13 times lost 3 with 1 draw so he was 10-3-1...are those Hall of Fame numbers fool?
Not only beats but TKOs in 15 round fight- Benitez, Kalule, Hearns ALL UNDEFEATED WORLD CHAMPIONS. Beat by one guy... Take Camacho, Cotto, De La Hoya careers combined they aren't better than Wily Benitez and Tommie Hearns. And if Sugar Ray really is gay more power to him he would fudge pack and do whatever he wanted to ur sry butt.
I'm not SAYING Leonard is better than Hearns. But you're saying he isn't a HOFer! Ask Tommie Hearns is Sugar Ray was a bum or a B-fighter lol?!!!! Hearns could be better but he'd spit in the face of anyone calling Sugar Ray a bitch. And only real men can be boxers and only the best men fight Hagler at 160. Only best come to fight even Ray did it 5 times, one win is enough to be HOFer
i really love your thoughts,,
ryan yuson
Thank you, Sir.
He quit. PERIOD.
Couldn’t handle the antics from Sugar Ray, but loved to dish it out.
He loved to talk crazy, even to wives all with the purpose of making it a brawl which would benefit him.
When Sugar Ray turned the tables, he got into his feelings and surrendered.
QUIT.
just watch the movie yall. duran was set up. he wasnt focused in the rematch. when duran was focused he beat sugar ray ass
He was beating his ass so bad the cards were almost even when it was stopped.
Durán was a very skilled boxer-puncher, he belonged to the very exclusive top 4 boxers of the Welterweight and Middleweight divisions of that era ( Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Durán). His first fight against Leonard was memorable, and the highest point of his career. Unfortunately, in the second fight, he got frustrated, could not hit the elusive and fast Leonard and quit instead of finishing the fight. The repercussions of his decision were catastrophic. Fortunately, he went up in weight and beat Dave Moore (R.I.P.) to win the Middleweight Jr. weight title.
AND incredibly 6 years later beat IRAN BARKLEY for the middleweight title, at the age of 38!....Barkley beat TOMMY HEARN'S TWICE, brutally knocking him out in the first fight...No one like DURAN
I mention this in an above post, but as quiet as its kept, DURAN also literally "skipped" over the 140 belt to get to Sugar Ray, and also many years before dethroned the best 130 pounder in the world before he began his Lightweight, and that was against ERNESTO MARCEL, the ONLY man to defeat ALEXIS ARGUELLO in his prime ...Only Pacman has more titles when you look at it this way
Lot of people making excuses for Duran here. Let's not forget Leonard won every round in the third fight
JumpinJackFlash1989 how old was he? 😒
Seriously? The third fight Duran was past his prime. The No Mas fight was close, official score card 3 rounds Duran to 5 rounds Leonard is a close fight. I hate Duran quit because he’s one of the greatest fighters of all time
SRL states clearly that he called his manager and said he wanted to fight Duran ASAP! Why? because he did NOT want to 'wait' as Duran was prone to piling on the w eight which itself would 'delay' a re-match. Leonard fought Duran 1st time, Durans way and it was pretty damn close. 2nd fight? SRL decided, 'ok 1st time it was your way, NOW its my way.(and history proves beyond ANY opinion that SRL gave Duran a 'boxing; lesson that NOBODY had done prior and never did after. THAT tells you how good SRL was. Imo? SRL was the best I've ever seen on a ring. Period! (and I have'nt seen any1 come even close to him since!)
Pathetic reading all these excuses. Sugar Ray dominated him, clowned him and made him give up in frustration. He got hit and couldn't get a hit in, that's why he quit.
Hey genius!...Duran was only behind a grand total of 5 point on 3 scorecards...YES he was clearly frustrated hardly a profound offering, but there is MUCH more to this story...Try and watch it again unbiased and see...If Ray was so "dominant" why the fuck did he make Duran wait 10 years for the rubber match?!....
Duran had redeemed himself by winning the world title from Davey Moore who in turn had KO ed Benitez in 2 rounds!....I bet you werent even alive in that period, tap a reservoir of humility and watch with un biased eyes, you may well actually learn something....!
Duran "style wise" at anything ver 14 was reduced to being a counter puncher, which is fine as long as fighters come to YOU, but a ordinary boxer who was mobile like "Kirkland Lange for example could make Duran look ordinary at that weight, however vs someone like Barkley or Barkleys old pal Davey Moore...DIFFERENT STORY
Who* cares how many rounds Duran had won before he quit? Haha there was a clear turning point in the round that Duran quit, it would've continued on like that for the rest of the fight and Duran knew it that's why he quit.
MrLosguerreros
I did watch the fight unbiased. The first time I heard about it was when I wrote this comment, and I don't follow boxers below heavyweight tier, so I don't have a dog in this fight whatsoever. This means I have a more unbiased opinion than you, and it's clear to me that the guy gave up because he wasn't able to dominate and was getting clowned.
Leonard was able to start showboating because he had Duran under control. He didn't resort to anything he had Duran beat and he started to toy with him because he knew Duran couldn't do anything about it.
Alex B -shut up you sissy
I still love Duran...100% panamanian!!!
So why didn’t he make Roberto quit on the 3rd fight????
Sugar (the great ) Ray
Stop with the excuses, he quit, he surrendered, gave up. He simply knew he wasn't up to par and well prepared for this fight. He knew if he tried he was going to get the worse beating in his life and be knocked out unconscious not knowing what happened. Get over it finally!
I have been a fan of Roberto Duran since as a kid I saw him live on TV knock out DeJesus in January 1978. I saw him beat up Davey Moore while I was a teenager in the ringside section at MSG. I never ever heard anybody but this announcer say that Duran knocked out a woman. I actually think Duran would be pissed off if someone said he did that. Why the fuck did this guy say that? A horse? Yes. Not a woman.
I love u ray but u didn't make him quit, the dudes life was falling a part, his current life situation at that time made him quit
I love Duran but the one man he stood absolutely no chance against was Thomas Hearns. I feared Tommy might kill him. Hearns was great.
Quran
"Fighting in defense is prescribed for you, and not fight with hate, It is a thing you may dislike can be good for you, and a thing you may like can be bad for you, be wise in all that you do!"
Leonard was a phony, when Thomas Hearns beat him at middleweight he was given a false win. Knocked down twice and out gunned in many rounds Hearns won. The No Mas fight was because Leonard himself said, that he knew Duran gained many pounds and he used that as a ploy take advantage of the re-match. Now he is tormented due to the quick rematch. Please : you were tortured, Your ploy has destroyed you, as you tell us now. Grow up. HE HAD CRAMPS AND HE WAS WEAK. NO OTHER REASON. QUIT WHINING RAY. YOUR WERE ABUSED AS A BOY, WEAK EXCUSE
That's right, an uncle abused him sexually. All you say is correct. Ray was nothing but a show boat. He won some good fights, but the ones he lost. They gave him the wins, just because of his status. Poor Negro Boy, still fighting off his demons. Excellent comments..
i agree with Everything else except for the sexual abuse, u shouldnt joke about that dude
are you on crack? Or is it cocaine? Or are you pissed? You're high off some shit..this guy is one of the greatest ever..the guy came off olympics to going for the great duran 3 years later..he had wars with hagler hearns benitez too..
You sounds like a girl. Making excuses and whining about cramps
duran quit because he was getting his ass kicked. lol end of story :)
The ring was huge in that fight tf
It shouldn't have happened, but he agreed!
How many years did Leonard duck Hagler and Leonard would not rematch him probably because Hagler would of Ko'd him I think the fight was a draw and a rematch should of happened
Hagler was robbed!
Hagler was robbed
Hagler retired buddy. He didn't want to fight anymore.
he made him quit one of my fav sugar ray