I just bought a tr its still wearing the Tupperware stock and I have a nikon prostaff scope on it for now. I have been shooting cci standard and some bulk winchester stuff just plinking around with it trying to break in the barrel and I have been totally surprised by the accuracy of both loads im shooting. I'm going to up the ante a bit when I get ready to build the rifle but for just a squirrel getter or target shooter I'm loving this little gun. I was able to hit a squirrel at 82 yards with a cci standard and took it out with a single shot to the side of its head...awesome little gun and im glad I got one.
Bipod added a cant to rifle position, I noticed I have to reposition and relevel the rifle if I change my down range aim. Rifle cants due to you and bipod ever so slightly shifting aim, then you try to muscle it level, avoid this behavior reposition you and the rifle, level get comfy < key and observe the difference.
So I bought the Zephyr II (Hunting @ $750.00 from Reeds) and the (Your video sold me) TRR-SR (Bench Target @ $450.00 from Reeds), they are going to the range early AM, they are cleaned and I need to zero them. I have 11 different ammo types, I will shoot 50, 75 and 100 yards, so long day ahead. Using the Arken 6-24 x 50 Gen 2 (@ $350.00) on the TRR-SR and for that beautiful work of art Zephyr II, I will be using an Athlon BTR 4 -14 x 44 scope (@ $225.00). My Savage Minimalist Mark II will be handed down to my daughter for hunting "if" the Zephyr II performs better cold bore 3 shot group at 75 yards, there is no rifle warm ups when hunting (1 inch minimum a must). Ammo types: CCI Standard (baseline plinker ammo) CCI Velocitor CCI Mini Mag Target (HV baseline plinker ammo) CCI Stinger Lapua Center X Eley Match Eley Club Seiller Bellot Club (baseline plinker ammo) = CCI Standard in price/performance FIOCCHI Official 320 Norma Tac-22 SK Standard Plus
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV I/we finally finished the testing from 50 to 300 yards my buddy helped and we tested his ammo and my buddy's ammo through the Savage TRR-SR, CZ MTR, Styr Zephyr II and CZ at One. It took 4 days but we had fun until we documented the results, pain in the butt along with all dopes. 26 different types, we will never do it again! We both used Arken 6-24x50 sh4 Gen 2s. I had the distinct honor of wind calls, he sucks at it and at spotting rounds I wanted to choke him, lol! Yes he read this Remember this is by averages between 2 rifles. It’s what both rifles shot best consistently. I am not listing all ammo results we tested, it was ridiculous, my buddy kept saying why are we doing this, I said, “you got something better to do, stop you’re complaining”? He eventually got into it after he hit 300 consistently! ***NOTE: The Zephyr and TRR-SR are brand new, couple hundred rounds is all they have had down the barrels. The CZs have had 1ks’ of rounds down their barrels, they are my buddy’s rifles. 75-100 no change worth mentioning, so 50 & 300 yards is what we decided on as baseline. Ranking subsonic Match ammo at 50 yards through the Zephyr & TRR-SR Top 5: ALL SUB MOA 1. Fiocchi 320 (every rifle loved this ammo) 2. Eley Match < (diff lots are required), Lapua Center X & RWS 50 3. SK Long range (we had no SK match rifle ammo) Ranking HV ammo at 50 yards through the Zephyr & TRR-SR Top 4: MOA 60 - 70% 1. SK HV 40gr 2. Eley HV HP 38gr OCCASIONAL/RARE MOA, TOO MANY FLIERS 3. Blazer 40gr 4. CCI Minimag HP 36gr At 200 and 300 yards: 200 yards Top 5 subs all were MOA 300 yards 1. SK long range held a tiny edge for subs. Hard to get! 2. Eley Contact 42gr, lost by ½”< buying more! CHEAP! 3. Fiocchi lost by 1.3”. < buying more (all around best) REMEMBER THE ABOVE = AVERAGE BETWEEN 2 RIFLES We agreed that if we had higher speed Eley Match lots @1070+ we would have seen different results. What surprised us at 300 yards was CCI Velocitors, they shot better the further we went, at 200 yards we were shocked considering previous short distance performance, we did sort and inspect these rounds by weight, rim thickness, bullet deformities and removed the wax coating. All CCI/Blazer rounds recieved the same treatment. All rifles had failures to eject with CCI ammo Standard & Velocitors mostly, (TRR-SR more than any other) too much wax, so we cleaned them of the wax build up, no issues. Bad quality control, we contacted Cody @ CCI right from the range, he didn’t give a hoot, and we have 3 bricks of this crap. He wanted picks of the ammo and boxes, rifles used but never responded back. Cody B./Technical Service Rep.< Useless, never even said thx or kiss my a--! CCI/Speer/Alliant 2299 Snake River Ave. Lewiston, ID 83501 (866)286-7436 cciexpert.vistaoutdoor.com@email.cci-ammunition.com The CZs liked all the same ammo, the TRR-SR was the pickiest of the bunch, CZ at One had the shortest barrel at 16", CZ MTR & Zephyr 19 - 20" and the TRR-SR 22". At long range the TRR-SR shot the best groups, I think the weight, length for adult males, it is just comfy to get behind, beefy. We both enjoyed the at One 16”, my buddy is 67, moving it around the bench is easier for him when compared to the TRR-SR. The TRR-SR is in my opinion, the perfect bench rest or over watch 22lr rifle, it’s as accurate as a CZ at One 16” < (Bad ass little rifle). With its prefered ammo it can compete with an MTR 20” in the right hands, stock must be torqued to mounts correctly (25 - 32 “ lbs) with a washer & lock washers and trigger as light as possible. The longer barrel seemed to help with certain ammo types.
The Zephyr hands down was the best looking, wasn't at all picky with any ammo type, and “if” it was placed in a different stock (at One) and had a smoother bolt action, we both agreed it would have been = to or better than all of the rifles tested, it came in 1st a couple of times (Fiocchi & Center x) but mostly 2nd place, it is a hunting rifle after all. When we placed the Zephyr and MTR in the sled and strapped them in, the Zephyr shot the tightest groups not by much, what was weird the Zephyr didn’t need acclimation when switching ammo types like the others did. If we went by acclimation groups the Zephyr would win hands down. The bolt action was the worst on the Zephyr (cycling bolt caused too much movement even on the sled, reset or minor adjustments every time, CZ MTR bolt was best but I liked the Savage’s action with 15 & 20 round clips (reminded me of my 308s), I’m shooting while my buddy is reloading So I/we are happy, and we bought more Fiocchi 320 (serious shooting, betting beers/lunch at battleship) $19.00 a box, Eley Force (cost/plinking) and Eley Contact, (cost/plinking) nothing else, both are $4.75 a box. If Fiochhi isn’t available we agreed whatever is cheaper as runner ups, we would be just as happy. A 10th/100th of an “separated them or minimal fliers. If SK Standard Plus or Eley Club were cheaper, either one would have been our plinker of choice, we are on a budget, and we shoot 1 or 2 times a week, we r’ old:) We cleaned the rifles as we went. It was evident the barrel tolerance were different, and grooves or rifling (misfire ammo marks). We used the same rod, patches and tip, but the force required to push through the Zephyr and CZ’s was harder. The TRR-SR was very so slightly easier and my Savage Minimalist was a breeze, which led us to measure bullet diameters, and we found match grade the same and everything else none match varied a lot. Also, waxy (bees wax) ammo was more accurate in the Savage Minimalist, (?), and temp made a big difference with bees wax ammo, colder or very hot/sunny days ammo ejection issues. The rifling marks (all rifles) on misfires, were different thickness, differing numbers of rifling marks, deeper/softer. We need to research more but the Zephyr looked to have very different striations on the bullet compared to the others. It looked like the rifle twist started immediately at the breech. Some of my HP rifles do this, look at the length of the Zephyr barrel, they cut it at the twist at a particular point. The lube of match grade and lead bullets (40-42gr) always performed better and more consistent, except in the Minimalist by Savage, CCI Standard and Sellier Bellot Club is its prefered ammo. Copper bullet rounds, never ranked anywhere near 1st place until we went long range with CCI Velocitors in the TRR-SR. If CCI could improve quality using their wax and primer/powder and casing tolerances maybe just maybe I would consider buying their products beyond Blazer, but I don’t see any value in the company or their products labeled CCI that includes 22 WMR. It also appears the rifling tolerances are geared towards the ammo available, why bother making loose tolerance rifling (cost), my answer > ammunition manufactures selling crap ammo because they are using old and tired machines and antiquated formulas. Reminds me of American car manufactures, kept making crap until they went belly up! I guess I’m butt hurt but if someone gave me CCI ammo, I would say thanks but no thank you and it was made in the USA. Yes rifles are clean, no other failure to eject on anything not in thick wax, Winchester would fail as well. We have 2 Marlin Model 60s, now that we understand better what is going on, we will change springs, trigger and back stops and test them for fun. They never shot as well as bolt rifle in subs and HV, but recycle HV per spec. When we were youngster we never had accuracy issue with HV USA ammo in M60s. We shall see, it will give us something to do Between us we have 86 years shooting exsperience with 22s mostly for plinking & hunting and our conclusion based on what we call affordable to us is below: If we had an unlimited budget sure we would have some custom rifles made every month but we don’t. Best target rifle we both shot to date for the $, CZ MTR in the “at One” stock with a Timney trigger ($110.00). We shot others, $100 - $12k rifle packages, for the money, hands down the all-around best. We discussed in depth what our runner up would be; the Bergara B-14 HMR .22lr for right out of the box no modifications necessary for precision shooting ($850.00). Best hunting rifle for the money, Styr Zephyr II @ $750.00. Even with bolt cycling being terribly stiff, one shot one meal, it just plan and simply shoots any ammo well, and it is well balanced and very light to carry all day, especially at our age. It is just made to hunt out to distance and be reliable. Best plinker for the money, whatever is on sale, personal decision based on budget, after all you’re just plinking for enjoyment Savage, Anschutz and Styr have the best hassle free professional service we have exsperienced. We were surprised by Savage, they replaced a stock for the Minimalist with a 3 minute phone call and we had the Boyd stock in 4 days (never registered the rifle and they never asked for the serial # or when/where I bought it), now that is Customer Service! But I have registered my 110 Tac 6.5 CR and they knew I owned at least 1 of their products, she added the TRR-SR and the Minimalist via email a week later. *NOTE: Update since writing the above. I went yesterday and shot Eley Contact, I am impressed to say the least. I placed a 12 x 18” splatter target on a 16 x 24 metal plate at 300 yards. Set my dope from previous testing (Zero is 100 yards, + 168 clicks, 42 MOA), Bullseye is 2 inch at center and there are 4 more 1” at the four corners. Wind variable 1 - 3.5 Mph, mirage minimal right to upper left. First 3 shots, fell in the bullseye using my TRR-SR, next 2 rounds 1” right on top of each other. These targets have 1” square gridlines. So I already know exactly how many clicks for my box testing of my Arken Scope at 300 yards. I know my right upper and my lower left at 100 yards are off by (LL) 3/8ths and (UR) 1.2”, did my calculations, wrote them down and went for it I was so “F” happy, excluding 2 fliers for the 3 trips around the box, I was so impressed. It was some of my best shooting with the TRR-SR, the guys at the range just stood behind me, watching a 22lr place better groups at 300 yards than their ARs, .308s and .270s < humans. The last (4th) round, I let this 13 year old boy shoot, he was so excited. I/we could hear him talking to his Dad.
I let him get familiar with it at 50 yards, after 2 clips of 10 rounds and cheek adjusted, reminded him how to breath will shooting, and squeeze, he got it quickly. I said you ready, he said, “yes sir, oh Dad can I”, we have permission. I gave him the dope card, explained to him (3x), I said set for 100 yards fire 1 shot, bullseye. Set for 300 yards, he hesitated, 168 clicks that way I said yep, he said, “Oh boy here we go”. Mind you no one is shooting, his Dad is videotaping So I’m in the hot seat, don’t “F” this up kid (Tyler). I then asked how many clicks was that he said 24, I said what’s number on elevation he said same one, Lol. I waited, my buddies are saying just tell the boy, I said, “this how taught me”. After a few more seconds standing up looking all around the scope figured it out, and said I get it, and he did! 1st shot, center bullseye, 3 guys yell it out, so I said you have 4 more, see them, yes sir. I explained wind flags, the dope card 1 more time and I drew a picture illustration and stood up and walked away. His Dad said what you waiting for, so he turns the knobs and looks for someone to say something and his Dad said follow the picture. Next shot he hit 3” left, Dad said keep going, next shot 1” left, next bullseye (1”), his last shot (too confident from excitement) he pulled it right 8”. Tyler will be getting a new gun for Xmas, no doubt in my mind, he said, “no Dad I want that one”, lol. If you want to know if your scope is mounted correctly (bubble level rail and scope tube =), next perform a plumb bob test “Adjust Scope/Rifle” to perfection (100 yards prefered 30’ length string/twin high vis pink or orange) and re-adjust levels, then box test your scope at 75/100 yards. 1 shot per stop and go around the box 3 times, and back to center. You will learn real quickly if you have a quality scope or a return item, also use reticle to box test (prefered), thin line scope center dot open MOA all around. For a 22lr, 75 yards is my zero, I hunt, so my sweet spot for HV (1230-60 fps) and Subs (1070 fps), use scope recital for differing distances and fps and memorize it. Stay with the same ammo and scope. I fix peoples scope mount issue at the range almost every time I go, the above method is the best method by far, I learned it from 30 snipers (Army/Marines/CIA/Police) at Fort Meade MD, met them at the Hannover MD VWF after I bought them 2 rounds of beer for .50 cents a beer, best money I ever spent. They were all retired and are a bunch of fun crusty guys, though they regretted teaching me, (very good at math in my head) can read wind & mirage very well without any electronics. That is how they taught me using their .308s. I owned a 30-06 that was my fathers, they said great rifle, put that away. Boy they had some nice rifles and top of the line scopes. Just breathe on the triggers they would go off. 6 of them were gun smiths. Two of the guys, did all the loads, custom and there were crates of 23 different type of loads available with their initials on the crates & boxes in the back of a pickup truck. They had it down to a science. I paid $20.00 a week to shoot (ammo kitty) and Beagles plus clean up the range (new guy) to shoot with them. I was the youngest of the group and didn’t mind at all being a gopher. I worked at Fort Meade as an IT Engineer/Architect, after I left the Air Force. They kept teasing me when are you going to get your own rifle or are you waiting for Daddy to buy you one? My son had cancer, I wasn’t spending any significant $, they didn’t know, kept my mouth shut. They eventually found out from a coworker of mine they knew months later and they gave me a rifle custom .308 and leather case, with all their names & MOA engraved on the butt of the stock. They shot 3 rounds down it at a 1000 yards. Well let’s just say after that honor, in 1988, these guys bet like drunk sailors. By 1992 I owned 12 .308s and 3 misc rifles at one time, speed competition from 50 & 1000 yards is where I shined. Time plus shot placement = win. But I gave them all back but one, the gentlemen who owned it passed and his wife said keep it, I tried many times to give back he would never take it back and finally said, “you shoot better than I ever did, you deserve it”. The other guys said, “What the man say, he is telling you the truth”, say thank you and leave it be. Mind you these guys had many rifles, all custom mostly Remington platform. Since then I moved and only 3 are alive, I now have a rifle initialized by each one of them and more, they willed them to me. We keep in touch, I visit and same time with them from the range. In fact, they were watching Taylor shoot and giving him pointers. The best long range shooter was Mr. Jimmy (the man from the above paragraph) and he was 72 years old, retired Marine when I met him, missing 1 ½ fingers and four toes from frost bite and he had three bullet hits (butt/thigh) from Korea. I learned a lot from him, he was always there, always, and he was the one who passed away years later at 84. After 911, I was no longer allowed access to that range, you had to be active duty or retired. Twice a year they would have friends and family, the guys would let me know and we shoot until we had to leave. They changed my nick name from “Daddies Boy” to “Windy”. Those were the days!
Nice shooting Man , that flyer must have disappointed you , what do you think caused it , ammo or do you think you pulled the shot everything was good otherwise . Steve .
I could only speculate at this time and from experience. I believe one of two things, one from target to target I might not be resting the rifle in the rear bag the same. Most likely though is because the barrel is heating up a bit. I am still trying to figure out those details. Precision shooting every little thing counts and knowing your rifle is very important. I don’t shoot this rifle too much so I know know it like my CZ.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV I have yet to heat a bull barrel up in this caliber, even firing steady a couple boxes of ammo. Last time I measured it was this summer, it was 87º in the cool of the shaded shop and the ambient air was 94º...the hottest the barrel got was 111º and I think that was mainly the sunlight heating the barrel. I had tapped a thermocouple to the front of the chamber and kept it hooked up to a multi-meter. Of all the influences that change our groups, I think one of the most important is how we 'embrace' the rifle and put pressure on the buttstock unevenly from side to side, I call that steering.
Penso al Tikka T1x e al CZ 457 AT-ONE. Il Tikka è un grande valore. Il CZ è una pistola più pesante e collego la regolazione della lunghezza di Pull and Cheek. Mi piace anche la canna da 24". Detto questo, ho avuto molti outshoot di Tikka. Usano munizioni di qualità superiore.
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I just bought a tr its still wearing the Tupperware stock and I have a nikon prostaff scope on it for now. I have been shooting cci standard and some bulk winchester stuff just plinking around with it trying to break in the barrel and I have been totally surprised by the accuracy of both loads im shooting. I'm going to up the ante a bit when I get ready to build the rifle but for just a squirrel getter or target shooter I'm loving this little gun. I was able to hit a squirrel at 82 yards with a cci standard and took it out with a single shot to the side of its head...awesome little gun and im glad I got one.
Bipod added a cant to rifle position, I noticed I have to reposition and relevel the rifle if I change my down range aim. Rifle cants due to you and bipod ever so slightly shifting aim, then you try to muscle it level, avoid this behavior reposition you and the rifle, level get comfy < key and observe the difference.
So I bought the Zephyr II (Hunting @ $750.00 from Reeds) and the (Your video sold me) TRR-SR (Bench Target @ $450.00 from Reeds), they are going to the range early AM, they are cleaned and I need to zero them. I have 11 different ammo types, I will shoot 50, 75 and 100 yards, so long day ahead. Using the Arken 6-24 x 50 Gen 2 (@ $350.00) on the TRR-SR and for that beautiful work of art Zephyr II, I will be using an Athlon BTR 4 -14 x 44 scope (@ $225.00). My Savage Minimalist Mark II will be handed down to my daughter for hunting "if" the Zephyr II performs better cold bore 3 shot group at 75 yards, there is no rifle warm ups when hunting (1 inch minimum a must).
Ammo types:
CCI Standard (baseline plinker ammo)
CCI Velocitor
CCI Mini Mag Target (HV baseline plinker ammo)
CCI Stinger
Lapua Center X
Eley Match
Eley Club
Seiller Bellot Club (baseline plinker ammo) = CCI Standard in price/performance
FIOCCHI Official 320
Norma Tac-22
SK Standard Plus
How did it go?
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@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV I/we finally finished the testing from 50 to 300 yards my buddy helped and we tested his ammo and my buddy's ammo through the Savage TRR-SR, CZ MTR, Styr Zephyr II and CZ at One. It took 4 days but we had fun until we documented the results, pain in the butt along with all dopes. 26 different types, we will never do it again! We both used Arken 6-24x50 sh4 Gen 2s. I had the distinct honor of wind calls, he sucks at it and at spotting rounds I wanted to choke him, lol! Yes he read this
Remember this is by averages between 2 rifles. It’s what both rifles shot best consistently. I am not listing all ammo results we tested, it was ridiculous, my buddy kept saying why are we doing this, I said, “you got something better to do, stop you’re complaining”? He eventually got into it after he hit 300 consistently!
***NOTE: The Zephyr and TRR-SR are brand new, couple hundred rounds is all they have had down the barrels. The CZs have had 1ks’ of rounds down their barrels, they are my buddy’s rifles. 75-100 no change worth mentioning, so 50 & 300 yards is what we decided on as baseline.
Ranking subsonic Match ammo at 50 yards through the Zephyr & TRR-SR Top 5:
ALL SUB MOA
1. Fiocchi 320 (every rifle loved this ammo)
2. Eley Match < (diff lots are required), Lapua Center X & RWS 50
3. SK Long range (we had no SK match rifle ammo)
Ranking HV ammo at 50 yards through the Zephyr & TRR-SR Top 4:
MOA 60 - 70%
1. SK HV 40gr
2. Eley HV HP 38gr
OCCASIONAL/RARE MOA, TOO MANY FLIERS
3. Blazer 40gr
4. CCI Minimag HP 36gr
At 200 and 300 yards:
200 yards Top 5 subs all were MOA
300 yards
1. SK long range held a tiny edge for subs. Hard to get!
2. Eley Contact 42gr, lost by ½”< buying more! CHEAP!
3. Fiocchi lost by 1.3”. < buying more (all around best)
REMEMBER THE ABOVE = AVERAGE BETWEEN 2 RIFLES
We agreed that if we had higher speed Eley Match lots @1070+ we would have seen different results.
What surprised us at 300 yards was CCI Velocitors, they shot better the further we went, at 200 yards we were shocked considering previous short distance performance, we did sort and inspect these rounds by weight, rim thickness, bullet deformities and removed the wax coating. All CCI/Blazer rounds recieved the same treatment.
All rifles had failures to eject with CCI ammo Standard & Velocitors mostly, (TRR-SR more than any other) too much wax, so we cleaned them of the wax build up, no issues. Bad quality control, we contacted Cody @ CCI right from the range, he didn’t give a hoot, and we have 3 bricks of this crap. He wanted picks of the ammo and boxes, rifles used but never responded back.
Cody B./Technical Service Rep.< Useless, never even said thx or kiss my a--!
CCI/Speer/Alliant
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
(866)286-7436
cciexpert.vistaoutdoor.com@email.cci-ammunition.com
The CZs liked all the same ammo, the TRR-SR was the pickiest of the bunch, CZ at One had the shortest barrel at 16", CZ MTR & Zephyr 19 - 20" and the TRR-SR 22". At long range the TRR-SR shot the best groups, I think the weight, length for adult males, it is just comfy to get behind, beefy. We both enjoyed the at One 16”, my buddy is 67, moving it around the bench is easier for him when compared to the TRR-SR.
The TRR-SR is in my opinion, the perfect bench rest or over watch 22lr rifle, it’s as accurate as a CZ at One 16” < (Bad ass little rifle). With its prefered ammo it can compete with an MTR 20” in the right hands, stock must be torqued to mounts correctly (25 - 32 “ lbs) with a washer & lock washers and trigger as light as possible. The longer barrel seemed to help with certain ammo types.
The Zephyr hands down was the best looking, wasn't at all picky with any ammo type, and “if” it was placed in a different stock (at One) and had a smoother bolt action, we both agreed it would have been = to or better than all of the rifles tested, it came in 1st a couple of times (Fiocchi & Center x) but mostly 2nd place, it is a hunting rifle after all. When we placed the Zephyr and MTR in the sled and strapped them in, the Zephyr shot the tightest groups not by much, what was weird the Zephyr didn’t need acclimation when switching ammo types like the others did. If we went by acclimation groups the Zephyr would win hands down. The bolt action was the worst on the Zephyr (cycling bolt caused too much movement even on the sled, reset or minor adjustments every time, CZ MTR bolt was best but I liked the Savage’s action with 15 & 20 round clips (reminded me of my 308s), I’m shooting while my buddy is reloading So I/we are happy, and we bought more Fiocchi 320 (serious shooting, betting beers/lunch at battleship) $19.00 a box, Eley Force (cost/plinking) and Eley Contact, (cost/plinking) nothing else, both are $4.75 a box. If Fiochhi isn’t available we agreed whatever is cheaper as runner ups, we would be just as happy. A 10th/100th of an “separated them or minimal fliers. If SK Standard Plus or Eley Club were cheaper, either one would have been our plinker of choice, we are on a budget, and we shoot 1 or 2 times a week, we r’ old:)
We cleaned the rifles as we went. It was evident the barrel tolerance were different, and grooves or rifling (misfire ammo marks). We used the same rod, patches and tip, but the force required to push through the Zephyr and CZ’s was harder. The TRR-SR was very so slightly easier and my Savage Minimalist was a breeze, which led us to measure bullet diameters, and we found match grade the same and everything else none match varied a lot. Also, waxy (bees wax) ammo was more accurate in the Savage Minimalist, (?), and temp made a big difference with bees wax ammo, colder or very hot/sunny days ammo ejection issues. The rifling marks (all rifles) on misfires, were different thickness, differing numbers of rifling marks, deeper/softer. We need to research more but the Zephyr looked to have very different striations on the bullet compared to the others. It looked like the rifle twist started immediately at the breech. Some of my HP rifles do this, look at the length of the Zephyr barrel, they cut it at the twist at a particular point.
The lube of match grade and lead bullets (40-42gr) always performed better and more consistent, except in the Minimalist by Savage, CCI Standard and Sellier Bellot Club is its prefered ammo. Copper bullet rounds, never ranked anywhere near 1st place until we went long range with CCI Velocitors in the TRR-SR.
If CCI could improve quality using their wax and primer/powder and casing tolerances maybe just maybe I would consider buying their products beyond Blazer, but I don’t see any value in the company or their products labeled CCI that includes 22 WMR. It also appears the rifling tolerances are geared towards the ammo available, why bother making loose tolerance rifling (cost), my answer > ammunition manufactures selling crap ammo because they are using old and tired machines and antiquated formulas. Reminds me of American car manufactures, kept making crap until they went belly up! I guess I’m butt hurt but if someone gave me CCI ammo, I would say thanks but no thank you and it was made in the USA. Yes rifles are clean, no other failure to eject on anything not in thick wax, Winchester would fail as well.
We have 2 Marlin Model 60s, now that we understand better what is going on, we will change springs, trigger and back stops and test them for fun. They never shot as well as bolt rifle in subs and HV, but recycle HV per spec. When we were youngster we never had accuracy issue with HV USA ammo in M60s. We shall see, it will give us something to do
Between us we have 86 years shooting exsperience with 22s mostly for plinking & hunting and our conclusion based on what we call affordable to us is below:
If we had an unlimited budget sure we would have some custom rifles made every month but we don’t.
Best target rifle we both shot to date for the $, CZ MTR in the “at One” stock with a Timney trigger ($110.00). We shot others, $100 - $12k rifle packages, for the money, hands down the all-around best. We discussed in depth what our runner up would be; the Bergara B-14 HMR .22lr for right out of the box no modifications necessary for precision shooting ($850.00).
Best hunting rifle for the money, Styr Zephyr II @ $750.00. Even with bolt cycling being terribly stiff, one shot one meal, it just plan and simply shoots any ammo well, and it is well balanced and very light to carry all day, especially at our age. It is just made to hunt out to distance and be reliable.
Best plinker for the money, whatever is on sale, personal decision based on budget, after all you’re just plinking for enjoyment
Savage, Anschutz and Styr have the best hassle free professional service we have exsperienced. We were surprised by Savage, they replaced a stock for the Minimalist with a 3 minute phone call and we had the Boyd stock in 4 days (never registered the rifle and they never asked for the serial # or when/where I bought it), now that is Customer Service! But I have registered my 110 Tac 6.5 CR and they knew I owned at least 1 of their products, she added the TRR-SR and the Minimalist via email a week later.
*NOTE: Update since writing the above.
I went yesterday and shot Eley Contact, I am impressed to say the least. I placed a 12 x 18” splatter target on a 16 x 24 metal plate at 300 yards. Set my dope from previous testing (Zero is 100 yards, + 168 clicks, 42 MOA), Bullseye is 2 inch at center and there are 4 more 1” at the four corners. Wind variable 1 - 3.5 Mph, mirage minimal right to upper left.
First 3 shots, fell in the bullseye using my TRR-SR, next 2 rounds 1” right on top of each other. These targets have 1” square gridlines. So I already know exactly how many clicks for my box testing of my Arken Scope at 300 yards.
I know my right upper and my lower left at 100 yards are off by (LL) 3/8ths and (UR) 1.2”, did my calculations, wrote them down and went for it I was so “F” happy, excluding 2 fliers for the 3 trips around the box, I was so impressed. It was some of my best shooting with the TRR-SR, the guys at the range just stood behind me, watching a 22lr place better groups at 300 yards than their ARs, .308s and .270s < humans. The last (4th) round, I let this 13 year old boy shoot, he was so excited. I/we could hear him talking to his Dad.
I let him get familiar with it at 50 yards, after 2 clips of 10 rounds and cheek adjusted, reminded him how to breath will shooting, and squeeze, he got it quickly. I said you ready, he said, “yes sir, oh Dad can I”, we have permission. I gave him the dope card, explained to him (3x), I said set for 100 yards fire 1 shot, bullseye. Set for 300 yards, he hesitated, 168 clicks that way I said yep, he said, “Oh boy here we go”. Mind you no one is shooting, his Dad is videotaping So I’m in the hot seat, don’t “F” this up kid (Tyler). I then asked how many clicks was that he said 24, I said what’s number on elevation he said same one, Lol. I waited, my buddies are saying just tell the boy, I said, “this how taught me”. After a few more seconds standing up looking all around the scope figured it out, and said I get it, and he did!
1st shot, center bullseye, 3 guys yell it out, so I said you have 4 more, see them, yes sir. I explained wind flags, the dope card 1 more time and I drew a picture illustration and stood up and walked away. His Dad said what you waiting for, so he turns the knobs and looks for someone to say something and his Dad said follow the picture. Next shot he hit 3” left, Dad said keep going, next shot 1” left, next bullseye (1”), his last shot (too confident from excitement) he pulled it right 8”. Tyler will be getting a new gun for Xmas, no doubt in my mind, he said, “no Dad I want that one”, lol.
If you want to know if your scope is mounted correctly (bubble level rail and scope tube =), next perform a plumb bob test “Adjust Scope/Rifle” to perfection (100 yards prefered 30’ length string/twin high vis pink or orange) and re-adjust levels, then box test your scope at 75/100 yards. 1 shot per stop and go around the box 3 times, and back to center. You will learn real quickly if you have a quality scope or a return item, also use reticle to box test (prefered), thin line scope center dot open MOA all around. For a 22lr, 75 yards is my zero, I hunt, so my sweet spot for HV (1230-60 fps) and Subs (1070 fps), use scope recital for differing distances and fps and memorize it. Stay with the same ammo and scope.
I fix peoples scope mount issue at the range almost every time I go, the above method is the best method by far, I learned it from 30 snipers (Army/Marines/CIA/Police) at Fort Meade MD, met them at the Hannover MD VWF after I bought them 2 rounds of beer for .50 cents a beer, best money I ever spent.
They were all retired and are a bunch of fun crusty guys, though they regretted teaching me, (very good at math in my head) can read wind & mirage very well without any electronics. That is how they taught me using their .308s. I owned a 30-06 that was my fathers, they said great rifle, put that away. Boy they had some nice rifles and top of the line scopes. Just breathe on the triggers they would go off. 6 of them were gun smiths.
Two of the guys, did all the loads, custom and there were crates of 23 different type of loads available with their initials on the crates & boxes in the back of a pickup truck. They had it down to a science. I paid $20.00 a week to shoot (ammo kitty) and Beagles plus clean up the range (new guy) to shoot with them. I was the youngest of the group and didn’t mind at all being a gopher. I worked at Fort Meade as an IT Engineer/Architect, after I left the Air Force.
They kept teasing me when are you going to get your own rifle or are you waiting for Daddy to buy you one? My son had cancer, I wasn’t spending any significant $, they didn’t know, kept my mouth shut. They eventually found out from a coworker of mine they knew months later and they gave me a rifle custom .308 and leather case, with all their names & MOA engraved on the butt of the stock. They shot 3 rounds down it at a 1000 yards.
Well let’s just say after that honor, in 1988, these guys bet like drunk sailors. By 1992 I owned 12 .308s and 3 misc rifles at one time, speed competition from 50 & 1000 yards is where I shined. Time plus shot placement = win. But I gave them all back but one, the gentlemen who owned it passed and his wife said keep it, I tried many times to give back he would never take it back and finally said, “you shoot better than I ever did, you deserve it”. The other guys said, “What the man say, he is telling you the truth”, say thank you and leave it be.
Mind you these guys had many rifles, all custom mostly Remington platform. Since then I moved and only 3 are alive, I now have a rifle initialized by each one of them and more, they willed them to me. We keep in touch, I visit and same time with them from the range. In fact, they were watching Taylor shoot and giving him pointers.
The best long range shooter was Mr. Jimmy (the man from the above paragraph) and he was 72 years old, retired Marine when I met him, missing 1 ½ fingers and four toes from frost bite and he had three bullet hits (butt/thigh) from Korea. I learned a lot from him, he was always there, always, and he was the one who passed away years later at 84. After 911, I was no longer allowed access to that range, you had to be active duty or retired. Twice a year they would have friends and family, the guys would let me know and we shoot until we had to leave.
They changed my nick name from “Daddies Boy” to “Windy”. Those were the days!
That third shot on the second target of the Center-X actually made my stomach hurt...
Yes, I agree. It was a disappointment. Thanks for commenting
Looks to be some good groups. You might be found what it likes.
Looks like the pistol king wanted to shoot better than it did. Might be worth trying
I’ll do that. Thanks
Nice shooting Man , that flyer must have disappointed you , what do you think caused it , ammo or do you think you pulled the shot everything was good otherwise . Steve .
I am thinking a rogue round but hard to know for sure.
Can you explain why the groups are moving around?
I could only speculate at this time and from experience. I believe one of two things, one from target to target I might not be resting the rifle in the rear bag the same. Most likely though is because the barrel is heating up a bit. I am still trying to figure out those details. Precision shooting every little thing counts and knowing your rifle is very important. I don’t shoot this rifle too much so I know know it like my CZ.
@@AimSmallMissSmall_TV I have yet to heat a bull barrel up in this caliber, even firing steady a couple boxes of ammo. Last time I measured it was this summer, it was 87º in the cool of the shaded shop and the ambient air was 94º...the hottest the barrel got was 111º and I think that was mainly the sunlight heating the barrel. I had tapped a thermocouple to the front of the chamber and kept it hooked up to a multi-meter.
Of all the influences that change our groups, I think one of the most important is how we 'embrace' the rifle and put pressure on the buttstock unevenly from side to side, I call that steering.
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Secondo lei quale è la miglior carabina di serie in 22lr. Grazie e buon proseguimento, la seguo con interesse. Fulvio
Penso al Tikka T1x e al CZ 457 AT-ONE.
Il Tikka è un grande valore. Il CZ è una pistola più pesante e collego la regolazione della lunghezza di Pull and Cheek. Mi piace anche la canna da 24".
Detto questo, ho avuto molti outshoot di Tikka. Usano munizioni di qualità superiore.
Is that a Boyd’s stock? Damn nice shooting.
I believe you are correct, it is a Boyd’s stock.
The Savage is shooting impressive groups.
Was that 50 yards?
Yes 50 yards