How Obi-Wan Found Out Vader was Alive ORIGINALLY (way better imo)
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- In the obi-wan kenobi show, Reva tells Obi-Wan Kenobi that Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader is alive. This was to Kenobi's surprise! This is 10 years after Star Wars Revenge of the Sith when Anakin Skywalker lost to Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar during Order 66.
In the original version before disney bought Star Wars from George Lucas, there was a really great novel, Dark Lord the Rise of Darth Vader, where Obi-Wan Kenobi learns that Vader is alive from a holo Net recording in a cantina. Right after this, Qui-Gon Jinn reaches out to talk to Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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The thing is Vader isn't the second in command in the Empire or anything like that. He was more of a shadowy enforcer than a public or military figure. Many imperials in the early days of the empire didn't know who he has and many didn't respect him as seen in A new hope. I think its better that the public don't know about him or if they do, don't know much. It makes him more mysterious and scary imo.
Yes!
How did they disrespect him in NH. They only seem to underestimate the force because they have no knowledge of it.
@@nicoledreamcr4666 Motti clearly disrespects him saying how his sorcerers ways didn't give him clairvoyance enough to find the stolen plans. He basically called him incompetent
Thank you. People just love bashing on everything new. It’s so lame
@@jaylonbanks2604 totally agree! Even Star Wars Theory is bashing on new things now. You can’t find a single Star Wars channel nowadays that isn’t loaded with negativity. But hey negativity gets you likes and comments so...
In the book by John Jackson Miller “Kenobi”, same timeline as the series, I had thought initially that the series would take some info from it(it didn’t, not complaining). Even in the book, there is no mention of Obi-Wan knowing that Anakin/Vader is alive. He keeps feeling guilty in his meditations while trying to connect with Qui-Gon Jin about killing Anakin.
Millers story is set in 19BBY, not 9BBY!
god forbid you complain, that would be toxic.
@@elisaryse you are correct - it states at the beginning of the book in the 'Novels Timeline' 19 years before 'A New Hope'....right after ROTS.
Obi-Wan has to make trips into Mos Espy and Mos Eisley for supplies. On one excursion in Mos Eisley with the settlers he's befriended they accidentally bump into Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru carrying the young baby Luke! (Pg 272)
Obi freaks out and uses the force to shift their landspeeder into high-speed to get out of there quick!!
So yes, he would have found out about Vader at some point in this way.
Remember Vader wasn't as known to The Galaxy as he was seen as Palpatine's Enforcer by those who knew him. The Empire hadn't yet expanded to the point where people knew that there was no Galactic Senate anymore. Didn't Obi Wan Kenobi find out about Anakin Skywalker being alive as Darth Vader on a hologram of Vader in Mos Eisley? I still have that Legends Lore comic. I think Qui Gon Jinn's Force Ghost will guide Obi Wan in how to defeat Vader for their last duel before their actual final duel in A New Hope. I really enjoyed Episode 5 because Anakin's turn to The Dark Side is evident in how Obi Wan's always putting younger Anakin Skywalker down no wonder he said to Padme that he's an overly critical and jealous Jedi Master because Qui Gon Jinn wouldn't have done that because he understood Anakin's emotional insecurities and instability growing up as a slave insecure in his place in Life in The Galaxy. I really wish Disney would have done something about de aging Anakin Skywalker to be young because Disney should've been able to easily do this to make it believable with Hayden Christensen's younger Anakin Skywalker but I'm not complaining 😎. Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor BACK as Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi in The Clone Wars Era like it's during or after Attack of The Clones. I'm glad Disney Star Wars content is becoming quality content after The TRASH writing that The Sequel Trilogy was filled with. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
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Nice try but that book is set in 19BBY
We have to understand that Vader really wasn’t known. Correct me if I’m wrong but in Rebels, Kanan and Ezra had never heard of Vader before their encounter with him. Ahsoka also did not know about Vader. I agree that having Reva reveal to Obi Wan about Vader was pretty lame but it isn’t implausible that Obi Wan never heard about Vader for 10 years since Ezra and Kanan had never heard of Vader for 18 years.
I think that Vader was the kinda Black Ops leader, doing the under the radar heavy work.
Great point.
this would be a good point IF Rebels wasn't a Disney creation. meaning that Disney has altered and dismissed Canon whenever previously established Canon/Facts got in the way of their story. until Disney, EVERYONE knew who Vader was or had atleast heard the name. Vader VERY publicly led multiple campaigns across the galaxy spreading fear to all who heard. Ezra and Kanan not knowing could be waved away as them not paying attention to the broader parts of the galaxy, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Kanan and co also not know about the Inquisitors? as for Ahsoka i'm not sure but i think you might be wrong on that count. especially when Ahsoka seemed to pick up on Vader being someone she knew when she felt his presence
😂 that shit is dumb. Using Disney fuck ups to justify other Disney fuck ups
Really can’t justify the reason the content is that way. Vader would still be known among Jedi as they are being hunted down
I believe that Ashoka did know about Vader, she just didn’t know that Anakin was Vader. I may be wrong though.
I do think that they way his exile was presented in the kenobi show does allow for him to have not heard anything about Vader. He was not only cut off from the force but society as well
For me all the books where a million times better then what we got, in the movies or shows. Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi. I always wanted the new movies to have been made from these books.
Yeah man we been so robbed
Much easier to write than to animate or direct though 😭 cause think about it it’s up to our own interpretation in a comic but In a movie it’s being interpreted on screen for us
Books are always better. They are not constrained by time, setting, actors, word limit, special effects, or cost.
@@alwaysbored6030 EU is real canon for the fans but not for Lucas.
They are not losing enough money to use those books. They were stupid enough to claim that those are no longer canon (which is pretty irrelevant to me as long as George Lucas doesn't say so), so they pretty much have to try their own bs until there is no other option than touching the actual good stories.
what annoys me more is that they made it so that Bail didn't know in a way, or atleast didn't tell Obi-Wan. I mean Bail is a senator and should know that Vader is around.
He figured it out in the book as well
Who is bail
@@Reina_Kousaka bail organa Leias dad. Not biological
In the book Bail dealt with Vader early, and in fact Vader pursued a jedi trying to hide there and Bail had to conceal Leia. There is no way Kenobi would not have known for ten years having stayed in touch with Bail.
@@shkotayd9749 yeah wich annoys me in the series. In the series people should know about Vader as a character, and a few as Bail should know from Obi-Wan that it is Anakin
Honestly, I have to agree with you that the way in which he found out is more natural and flows better, but in this show the writers actually went out of their ways to ensure the audience knew just how reclusive Kenobi lives in the show. Home, commute, work, commute, small super market and back home. They replayed that routine several times to indicate that he is completely a hermit. He hasn't seen the news in a long time in this version of the story.
But that's Theory's point. It's weird writing. It's more natural the way it happened in the book.
@@theroyalmediator2658 I completely agreed with him before I wrote the segment giving some due credit to the writers for being creative and still staying within the fine lines of what's canon by time Ep. IV timeline begins. He was always thought of a desert hermit by the locals.
@@raganmaxwell4253 But Kenobi in Ep 4 is also aware of things on Tatooine (and I'm not trying to attack you, I just disagree with the writers' choice. And you're probably right, in that I could've been more clear). Kenobi knows WHERE to find a pilot (and not just the city, he knows the EXACT cantina to go to), he knows what it'll be like there ("You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"), and he's not AT ALL uncomfortable there like Luke is (knows he can cut off a man's arm WITH A LIGHTSABER and leave it there and no one will care). All these things suggest familiarity, that Kenobi SHOULDN'T just be going from work to home and back, that he's spent time on the planet even if he MOSTLY keeps to himself (one can be in public and still keep to oneself). One would also imagine that if Kenobi is going to protect Luke, he needs to know what's going on on the planet and to a certain extent what's going on in the galaxy. That's my issue with the writers' choice.
@@theroyalmediator2658 all that adds up perfectly, but this is still taking place early in Kenobi's time spent on the task of protecting Luke. It makes sense that some time would pass while he remains a completely broken man and gives the show some time to flesh out a story the specifically explains Kenobi coming into his own again and restoring his faith in himself and the galaxy's future. They aim to make another season, so it only makes sense that they would begin the story from developmental beginnings in his time on Tatooine. There's a lot of it that is certainly off-putting, but for the most part, I feel like they've done a good job of towing the fine line that is what's possible canon in the 19 year gap between films.
@@raganmaxwell4253 To be honest, I could probably agree with you more if this wasn't 10 YEARS after ROTS. If you want to say this is during the first year some of these things happen or two years in it would make more sense (which is what I would view as "early" into his time protecting Luke), but TEN YEARS is a little much for me. There's only 19 years between ROTS and ANH and this story wants us to believe Obi-Wan's been moping for MORE than half that time, and I just don't buy that based on what we saw directly before and directly after this period and what we've seen of Kenobi in general.
This literally encapsulates the show thus far, doesn't it? Interesting concepts like Kenobi finding out Vader was alive, but poorly executed. I'm looking forward to the final episode, but since Reva is alive, I'm not counting anything out. For all I know, she kills Luke and becomes best bros with Obi-wan.
how? if we get old luke in the recent shitty films
@@ANGELX55studios satire. joke.
The last sentence of your comment is very telling pal
True, if they made like a 10 episode - 1 hour each series with a couple of time jumps where we end up in the timeline where we are now it would have allowed for a mroe organic story in line with canon and more room for some other characters to be shown without taking anything away from Anakin/Obi Wan
edity: lol theory says the same thing, handnt finished the video.
HOW IS HEARING ABBOUT VADER ON TV BETTER THAN A YOUNGLING ORDER 66 SURVIVOR
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Awesome background theory, I just like to say your content. Makes me have hope for Star Wars every day when I watch your videos. The Star Wars community is lucky to have a RUclipsr like you.
I don’t see why people living in the Outer Rim would hear or even concern themselves with Vader? Like other comments mentioned he’s a shadowy figure not the face of the empire but the secret enforcer. Many did not know of his existence. I agree the Reva Vader drop could’ve been done better it’s not out of the realm of plausibility
It's just kinda weird that the people of Tatooine have knowledge of who inquisitors are and what they do (the show makes that very clear) but they have no idea who their boss is? That doesn't add up.
@@hotwings80 yeah that’s a good point
@@hotwings80 well vader can't be everywhere at once. There are also a lot of inquisitors so more people would know about them since they are more active and Vader almost always goes up against high power targets. Nari was just a low level Padawan at best so Vader would not concern himself with him.
@@hotwings80 i mean, anakin knew what jedis were in episode 1 when he was on tattoine but he never saw one and would only hear legends. If you hear about jedis on tattoine, you probably hear about jedikillers too
@@alexanderalthoff9813 okay so based on what you're telling me, word does in fact spread in Tatooine so much so that a little slave boy knew of Jedi without ever seeing one, but you're telling me that in 10 years of being on Tatooine a Jedi Master never once heard the word "Vader"? You're kinda just helping me prove my point lol
I am also conflicted about how Obi-Wan and Vader met in Episode 3. I think it felt forced and takes away from their meeting in a New Hope.
Disney. Hire this man.
@Spacetrooper hahahahaha for real bruh
No. I don't want this gentle soul lost to the void that is Disney's need to devour anything good in this world.
@Spacetrooper I mean Lucas didn't make this novel and doesn't even like legends or canon
@@Aikurisu I mean disney has made some good stuff like all of the comics,the novels,and their video games
Yeah I agree this was better as it also ties other stories together. Would’ve been an intense scene with him freaking out too instead of a very silent scene of shock, which for the first time, it’s the best reaction.
nah it would have been too extra imo. thats not obi wan, even tho he’s down bad asf rn he still wouldnt just go crazy like that. emotional, yes. but not crazy.
i imagine it pretty lame. and think the scene with reva was hella intense with her creeping around the place and GI stepping in. And it added to the relationship development of obi-wan an leia, which was never even talked about in der opriginals. Leia knew this ben who was her only hope and none ever knew why she even trusted him with this most importand matter. originals had serious plotholes and bad writings aswell, yet george seems to have criticism armour which is now unleashed on everything disney does.
disney is really not perfect. not at all. but we need to stop comlaining about everything which is not how we imagined it or we read in comics or books.
With this expectations we get our selfs in a mood of constant disappointment which leads to hate on disney.
For me the book felt like more of a cameo (only time he appears in it) and it didn't really have any drama to it. Obi Wan finds out essentially on TV? Come on. I liked the conversation with Qui Gon afterwards but the actual moment of him finding out didn't land at all
I feel like the show's version would be a lot more interesting to watch than him just freaking out in a cantina, at least in my opinion
I think so too. I am fine with it not being another show on Tattooine. And I think the show has been great. I really don’t understand the hate it gets.
@@wheattoast1971 yeah same here
Exactly. Him finding out in a cantina by overhear in a TV show is one of the lamest and least exciting ways they could have done it. No thank you
I agree,I mean the dude was in a desert and couldn't hear about some other dude in a mask at the other side of the Galaxy
I agree that this way would’ve been much better. It doesn’t really make sense that Obi-Wan went 10 years without even hearing of Vader. Really love the background too!
It does bro was living on a desert with little communication to the outside world and btw Darth Vader is known to be mysterious in the Empire
It makes perfect sense, he was living a quiet, lonely life on a planet that the empire had little presence on. Also Vader wasn't very well known to the public.
@@jackboy2413 Yeah, in the Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon said Tatooine wasn't a planet on the radar of the republic. The people on the planet just do their own thing, and don't get involved with in politics, or threaten the empire. That's why Anakin was never discovered as a force sensitive being, and taken to be trained by the Jedi. It makes sense that Vader isn't talked about there.
@@jackboy2413 At the beginning of episode 1 of kenobi, we saw that kenobi was surrounded by a lot of people so you don’t think that he would’ve at least overheard someone mention vader? I’m guessing that he took this transport to get his food for a long time, so I think that it makes a lot of sense that he should’ve already known Vader prior to kenobi. He was known to be the main villain of the empire even more than the emperor. It doesn’t even have to be in a cantina like theory explained.
@@wilmeech ^
This is SO much better. Also agreed, that the Kenobi series should be set a maximum 1/2 years after ROTS.
Love the fire! Great video theory, keep up the great content! I’ve been watching your channel for years and it is always a bright spot in my day! Thank You!
Totally agree with you theory, love your background with the 🔥
6:40 Somebody please make a meme of this lol 😆. This made me crack up. That is a pretty good imitation of reva! 🤣🤣. Love your videos man. God bless 😎👍🏼
I love these little videos. Keep ‘‘em coming :)
I believe it to be deliberate...for some reason Buffalo Bill Pablo Hidalgo has this weird, I don't know exactly to describe it but some weird complex about people enjoying Lucas' vision of Star Wars and deliberately trying to sabotage it and gloating over the carnage he wrought, almost as if he can't have it his way than nobody can have it.
That's what I said why this man hasn't been fired after the cyberbulling and all the trolling is beyond me, Bob Chapek just say one of the biggest woke wanker in marvel but extended Kathleen What the Fark?
its writing like this that genuinely killed my love for star wars, i gave up on Kenobi tbh, reduced to watching youtube videos about what could have been.
the writing is like a C.W Gotham show but with the funding of Game of Thrones.
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 exactly. Favreau and Filoni gives us great stories, memorable characters and keeps managing to make parts of the EU canon, and this is what we get from Hidalgo and the "L"SG. Hopefully between this and the failed "Starcruiser" they'll get put in time out.
WHAT IF: Luke didn't take his weapons into the cave of evil?
WHAT IF: Luke hadn't even gone into the cave of evil?
1. He probably would have lost his other hand and ended up chilling with the dude who looked like him in the Vader costume.
2. He probably would have been more surprised at the father scene.
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
@@derekhofstetler3998 bruh spoilers from a film from 1980
@@mrfarenheit26 underneath a star wars channel
@@mrfarenheit26 ikr, I still try to be the least triggering I can.
We never know what cancel culture will do next.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Yo that campfire green screen makes the video so much chiller. Good video Theroy
I said that exact thing in the beginning, when I saw the very 1st episode of Kenobi. It's nearly impossible for a person to go 10 years and not know who the shot-callers are. Vader is the most powerful person in the galaxy under Emperor Palpatine. How can Obi-Wan go 10 WHOLE YEARS without hearing the name Darth Vader??? And it's not like Tatooine is a secluded planet. 9-year old Anakin was telling Qui-Gon a lot about the galaxy outside of Tatooine, so was 19-year old Luke describing newsworthy events beyond the planet without ever leaving; both of them were able to speak because of all the pilots passing through from all over the galaxy. How believable is it that the kids know more about the galaxy than a 50-year old man? That's very unlikely. And willful ignorance of that kind of info kinda defeats the purpose of his assignment of overseeing Luke's success in growing up to become the Jedi Order's new hope. Ben had just one job!
Obi-Wan wasn't going around convening with people on a regular basis. His day to day activities that we saw in ep1 was literally how he had been living his life for the past 10 yrs. Vader's presence in the galaxy wasn't even fully well known at that point for people who were actually involved in politics/the current happenings of the galaxy, how do you expect a hermit who's cut himself off from the force, who doesn't go out of his way to make company, who lives on a backwater planet, to know something that even many Imperials in the loop don't know themselves?
I disagree. Many people in their 50s dont know who Trump is. Obi wan is isolated on tatooine with only qui gon to sometimes talk to, and noe one else. If you ask me its very possible that Obi Wan never learned about Vader simply because his job is meat cutting and protecting Luke 24/7
@@phaithful1423 Or, hear me out. They didn't care/know about cannon and they just wrote this to show Ewan's expression after hearing that Anakin is alive. Which they actually stated in an interview. Please, stop writing this show for them. They are lazy and incompetent. People like you are making this really easy for them.
if you actually know star wars lore you'd know that Vader is not known to the galaxy his like a myth amongst the galaxy and only imperials know of him
@@phaithful1423 yeah but to Patricks point, wasn't his main job protecting Luke based on what was said in ep1? How can he go 10 years without at least trying to keep in the loop with what the Empire is doing if his sole aim is to protect him?
This is like 10 times better than the Reva one
Of course it is. LucasFilm knows that.
We got what we got because the peeps are more concerned with diversity instead of storytelling. Until that changes we will keep getting videos of Theory doing his best to explain why what sucks makes some sense… from a certain point of view.
@@laurants so becuase Reva revealed Anakin surivived to Obi wan and she is black means they are more concerned about diversity? Ok then
Nah
No way. It's all out of context. Reva knew Anakin and currently works for Vader, that's flawless victory.
the fire, wood, and bookshelf was a nice touch
Loving the background!
I like this way a lot better than Reva just telling him out of nowhere
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
@Spacetrooper u star wars fans complain about every single fckn thing dont you, what exactly about her reveal to obi wan is so bad lol or do u just love complaining because diSneY... Reva didnt tell obi wan out of knowhere she is literally working under Vader's command and she's been established to know vader is Anakin by seeing him at the temple during order 66, and she obviously wanted to get a reaction out of Kenobi in the moment so she dropped that on him
@@BenAri18 I’m sorry it’s just what I think
Damn this was some good writing. I really liked that exerpt. Sad that that they didnt find a better way of showing how obi wan found out
"Obi wan found out on space news" is good writing?
It would have been great to see the episode play out this way. Also, again, where does that background music you use come from? I absolutely love it. It adds such a trippy vibe to your videos. Keep kicking ass Star Wars Theory! You are brilliant and your channel is addicting.
does anyone find out that background music?
I love your telling of the Star Wars stories. It's how I found your channel when no Star Wars movies were being made.
The good old days…
Before the dark times, before Disney.
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
Makes sense, but I'm still a fan of how they did it. It shows Obi Wans despair, depression, he failed himself, he failed and lost his brother, he was responsible for jedi and his friends getting killed. Living in the pain daily, knowing that you failed someone makes it so relatable and human. The process of forgiving oneself is the hardest thing someone has to do.
Mcgregor nailed it.
Reva just shouting it randomly in a loading bay was completely random and forced.
@@CCovers1 He deserves an oscar for his portrayal of depression imo
You only dislike it because reading all those books gave you an expectation.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I don't like it because I think it sucks.
Both work, but the show has Vader delegating a lot of dirty jobs to Inquisitors (just like in Rebels) and Obi Wan doing his best to shut himself out not only from the Force, but also from world issues. He has an isolated dead end job and a daily routine job-home-spying Luke to also avoid being recognized, since he was notorious as a Jedi master and war hero. The show uses Reva more like an example of how Inquisitors came to be and their motivations. She is so far, more of a tool and a plot device than anything else. If the show would have been like in the books, I could not see the utility of the Inquisitors.
I agree with everything you said. The only problem I have is how Reva telling obi wan that anakin is alive just gave them an automatic connection. As if their connection had been severed and simply gaining the knowledge that anakin had lived was enough to reconnect it? I mean maybe?! Idk. Maybe learning that information was too much for obi wan to suppress the emotions any longer and his grief was so immense that it was enough to ignite a spark between them again. If that’s the case, then I totally get it. But it is still a bit underwhelming that Reva is the one to tell obi wan. I feel like if yoda knew anakin was the one who betrayed the Jedi (without even looking at the recordings of the temple) then he could have also known that anakin survived Mustafar. That also is a missed opportunity for a training session from yoda in force communication. I still like the show either way
@@S0L12D3 The news definitely gave Obi Wan a trigger and we are used with the Jedi as stoic beings, but when it came to traumas, the human response can be erratic and atypical. It is curious how this affects the link between the Force and its user. Actually, we had hints with Grogu in Mandalorian.
There are a number of moments in the show when each character reacts very different than normal, such as Vader freezing when he is interrupted while torturing Obi Wan, Obi Wan facing Vader while having a PTSD episode and Reva exploding at Vader in ep. 5 after the talk with Obi Wan and knowing she cannot beat him.
Personally, I do think that the way it was announced in the show is kinda weird
But beside that, him not hearing about it for ten years could be possible under specific condition
The way they seems to be portrayed him in the show, he really isolated himself as much as possible, and avoid any contact not necessary, which could also include not reading the news on the Holonet, because he wouldn't know about what's happening in the Empire, being disappointed in what happened and just wanting to leave that life, that Jedi and Republic life, behind
His shock and silence at the announcement make sense to me, as he seems to kinda blame himself for what happened to the galaxy (which would tie with the fact that he avoid any news, he feel guilty )
The way Ewan played it was really well done
I read that book a few months ago thanks to your recommendation. Thanks bro really enjoyed it
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
@@mohdshamil5652 duel of the fates
I really like your background. Do more videos like this. 👍
Good analysis.
Thanks for staying positive, in these Dark times.
Awesome Video General Theory always love The Dark Lord Trilogy especially this Gem 💯 I'm happy with Both do I wish they could have used it hint of Dark Lord The Rise of Lord Vader 💯 Yes but I'm still happy
I wouldn't be surprised if by the last episode of Kenobi that Vader learns of Luke.
I think, based on what Disney has been doing with the sequel trilogy, they're rewriting cannon as they see fit. Even if it contradicts their own cannon! For example, Din Jarin aka The Mandalorian had no knowledge of Jedi on the same planet that in Disney's own cannon, years earlier, the Inquisitors showed up cutting folks hands off and chasing Jedi.
Hmm ..
Mando doesn't live on that planet and he was a child during the time of the empire of course he doesn't know
@@Vader255 Here we go...
They should hire you as a writer honestly I been a fan since 2017 I love all your videos it’s so dope to see your channel’s growth keep it up
Well you know how the quote goes, "May the force(d exposition) be with you!"
See, I agree that the comic scene is more organic but I don't think Obi-Wan would have acted that way. I think he would have heard and started to freak out a little but quickly leave the cantina while maybe stumbling and bump into someone but not a total freak out. To me, that isn't Obi-Wan. What we got in the show wasn't bad either, it made sense to a degree. Obi-Wan would have been out of touch with the galaxy just like he was with the force. Hearing that vader was a live for the first time after ten years might have been a bit of a stretch but not completely. He would have secluded himself as much as possible to not draw attention to himself or Luke so to me it makes sense. Showing the routine and stuff was cool but they could have gone just a little more into it to make it make a little more sense.
On that part I do agree, I don't think Obi Wan would have lost it, but I do think he would have shown great concern and even disbelief.
@@staroceans8677 agree completely.
Obi wan knew Anakin was Vader from the order 66 hologram, he and Yoda saw Palpatine name him Vader.
After that he thought he killed him but in 10 years you would have heard stories about the dude
Not really vader was more of a myth until the orginal trilogy in the galaxy even imperials barely knew about him.
@@Vader255 Key word: was.
"Newer kanon" shows that pretty much everyone is aware of him
@@Tomemos1Jager even newer canon shows in the reign of the empire vader wasn't know famously until the original trilogy. Even the stormtroopers would mistake him for a jedi and the imperial workers didn't even respect him because he had no status. Even people like cal kestis,ezra and kanan had no idea who vader was.
I just wish Disney would bring this guy on board & let him sit at the table & exchange ideas.
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I actually think the concept of how he finds out is better in the series than in the book. I like the idea of a youngling seeing vader in the temple, and is able to escape and tell the story. If anything it makes alot of sense considering that he went around in there with his face exposed, and everybody in there knows who anakin is. I dont like the idea of him finding out in some random cantina. I agree that 10 years seems like a bit too much, and it feels like the only reason for the big time jump is to be able to have the reva and the younglings be old enough to be in the story.
Too bad her character survived a stab wound that makes no sense
@@seriousnesstv7902 that stab wound is a minor inconvenience in starwars it's like getting a couple of stiches in our world
@@seriousnesstv7902 What does that have to do with anything
@@seriousnesstv7902 well maybe some one heal her and thas way she survive hey this is Star Wars everything is possible
@@nathanbartlett2770 For a freaking Youngling? Tell me why Qui gon, Shmi, Satine, Countless Jedi, even savage oppress all die?? The die from minor wounds that were once major until Star Wars decided that anyone can live simply because they want to. Plot amour has never been so bad before
I think right before a team of writers undertake a new starwars show or film project, they should make it a point to take a month or 2 to thoroughly examine all of the already existing cannon content. This would help avoid alot of contradictions happening in the writing, and just bad writting in general. I don't think they're doing that
That was a
I sincerely good scene you just wrote. I wish I could see that scene done well with lots of money behind it so you could direct it and we could see it done right.
He never wrote it. It was a scene from a book, Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader by James Luceno.
@starwarstheory perfect perspective
People need to just think for a second, Obi-Wan lives on Tatooine by himself with little to no connection with what goes on in the galaxy except through minor communication here and there with Bail and maybe rebel comms, Ahsoka didn’t know of Vader and neither did the characters of Rebels. How would Obi-Wan just know?
I don’t think this is particularly a case of lazy writing. We’ve seen that Vader isn’t super well known as Ezra, Kannan, and Ahsoka don’t know who he is and that takes place after kenobi. Also kenobi is not sociable at all in kenobi as we see. He’s very hidden, lives in a cave, and works at a butcher. We really only see him talk to Jawas and Owen so I think it makes sense
I agree I think that would have been great. I just downloaded the book from Audible and can't wait to listen to it.
Vader shredding wookies is something I need to see in live action
I totally agree with this and frustrated at the writing relative Obi-wan and him not knowing about Vader being alive for 10+ years is insane. However , I would also add a question that I havnt heard discussed much.... "HOW does Reva know Vader is Anikin?"
She looks like she is 10-12ish in the clip when Order 66 happens. They make it apparent that she knew Anikin before Order 66, though dont show it. So its kinda assumed. However, to her Anikin is 'Jedi Anikin' and during Order 66... she is confused and scared and barely survives and believes he was going to help the younglings and herself - But didnt! That is "Jedi Anikin' attacked her. NOT the Anikin/Vader at the end of Epi III. Further, at this point she knows nothing of him turning to the dark-side or his new name - Vader and of course his physical changes into Vader. She should also a scared little girl and in fear for her life. Not knowing where to turn. Likely, hiding in the underbelly of Coruscant would make the most sense in fear for her life/scraping to survive. Think Ashoka on the run before her trial in the Clone wars.
Granted we are told she was picked up in the gutter - so that is kinda c/w with being un the underbelly of Coruscant. However, none of that explains how she knows of the Vader-Anikin link. That WOULD be a State secret only few ppls would know - Not her.
She is such a poorly written character. Ugg
To be honest Kenobi is smart enough to find out Anakin survived. I heard about this Story. But at the end Kenobi sounded cold, thats what i hated about it. This version of him now shows us he is suffering from his past. And he still loves Anakin.
I think you made some good points. I am working on several Star Wars novels myself and I have spent a lot of time actually reading many of the old & new novels, watching the cartoons, researching the video game characters as well as the some of the comic book stuff, and I think you may be correct that they may have been a little lazy and just wanted to establish the reason for Reva's behavior. I also suspect that they picked ten years to make Leia a better age for this adventure. They needed a big reason for Obi-wan to abandon his post. Leia seems like the most reasonable reason. It is hard to navigate through all the complexities of the Star Wars Universe....and much to my dismay many of the new novels and obviously the Sequel writers didn't even bother. It's really frustrating when I have gone through so much effort and these people have not. Why? They have teams of people that can assist in the research. I am doing this by myself. I also look at the situation that the people who love Star Wars within Lucasfilm are dealing with. A certain person in charge obviously does not really like Star Wars and has an agenda against George Lucas. This is just my observation from the outside. My literary agent died before he could figure out what on earth is going on in the halls of Lucasfilm. I have new allies but I am not holding my breath. I really appreciate your thoughtful intelligent observations about what is going on. I do think some things could have been better, but.....I suspect the people trying to put out good thoughtful content are constantly under siege. A stressful situation. It's hard to be creative when someone is constantly poking you with a stick.
At last some watchable content. Cheers theory
Has anyone ever thought that obi wan doesn’t need to find out Vader is alive when he clearly knows Anakin is Vader, and I’m sure eventually he would hear the stories, the way it happens in the comics in the cantina is the most realistic scenario because he would immediately recognize that such a being would have to be Anakin.
If the live book one happened in live action, it would most definitely become a meme format
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
Really like the fireplace animation!
This is so much better of an explanation of how Obi-Wan found out about Vader! I agree - the way the Obi-Wan show wrote that was a bit less effective in the way that they tried to get a two for one - add legitimacy to Reva while getting an emotional response from Obi-Wan. In the process, the Obi-Wan writers made us think that Reva is this emotionless power-hungry bad gal who wants to torture Obi-Wan as much as capture or take him down.
But since the 5th episode is out, we know that this perception of Reva is not consistent with what she became: a backstabber to Vader after Obi-Wan saw through her confusion and used it to offer Reva some wisdom of his own. I believe that Obi-Wan's true intention with Reva in Episode 5 was to get her to turn back to the Light irrevocably, to see the error of her ways and to make clear what she may have understood as if through a mirror darkly, but now brought fully into the Light. But Reva, in her own haste and confusion, did not understand and succumbed to a whirlwind of confusion, still having the Light veiled to her to the point where she tried to take Vader down on her own (this was the critical climax of her life long confusion that Obi-Wan was able to pinpoint but not lead her out of successfully), and she made a wrong choice, but a choice that she was at peace with (death), which was preferable to a life of tormenting confusion between what really happened at the Jedi Temple during Order 66 and how she must come to terms with and accept the truth, which she has been avoiding ever since, and the veil of the dark side remained over her.
But the Reva character aside, I would have greatly enjoyed this better explanation in the book that focused more on Obi-Wan's reaction (one character), than having Obi-Wan's reaction play into the growth or perception of another character (Reva).
So happy the first 6 episodes were made before social media. Everything gets critiqued now. Imagine weak ass new hope and weak ass empire strike backs being dissect how everything is now. Just enjoy the series
Exactly. They would be ripped apart just like all the new stuff
That's what I'm saying, I love the lucas saga (more than any disney has done) but people act like they are flawless masterpieces and they critique to smallest things like shaky cameras and weird movement when star wars was famous for doing some of these weird things.
So your just gonna act like everybody didn’t hate the prequels for like 15 years
I have this book, read it more than once and love it. I forgot was it just a few months after ROTS that Kenobi found out about Vader at the cantina. Indeed much more realistic.
I Iove the Dark Lord series. In Germany we have an audio book of it, with the same voice actors like in the movies. It really is crazy
Love the background with sweet doggo 🐺 and the RUclips plaques 👌
I feel like in the show Vader isn’t really well known yet and also Kenobi purposely distanced himself from every little thing so he can really mask himself and feelings
It just doesn’t make sense it been ten years.
I'll go ahead an say that I like the idea of Reva. Her presence shows how other jedi were psychologically affected by order 66. Obi Wan is traumatized and detached, Reva is hell bent on revenge, Quinlan is out risking his neck helping people, etc. I do think her character could've been handled a lot better though. No fault on the actress, she did great, but a character like Reva needs a longer show where we can take the time to explore a character this complex and not just race through her development.
You just HAD to say "race" huh?
I think it could have been done alot better tho, alot of plot holes in the whole thing. Seems rushed to me
Yes the show hasn’t been the masterpiece we thought it would be but I still think there’s some great stuff in here.
@@legitiotjake not what I meant. Maybe I should've said "Rush" through her development instead.
@@mrfriedchicken5162 definitely. Again, overall I'm really loving the show and am having a great time with it, but it definitely has some noticeable flaws. They don't really bother me tho.
Good video! Thanks!
Search your feelings, you know what Star Wars Theory is saying is true! I love your content dude. Your instincts for Star Wars material is always so accurate to the legacy of all the characters! When are you going to finish VADER 2? I Can’t wait
please do more of these vids, maybe something to do with “What if Palpatine DIDNT return in the sequels” or “What if Ben Solo DIDNT turn to the dark side”
I think they should've waited in later episodes where Obi-Wan does find out that Anakin is still alive, they did it way too early in my opinion.
Love the background
“There’s still good in him…” Padme to Obi-Wan as she gives her final breath.
The one error here is that Vader is not a known figure. And this changes a lot. At best he’s an urban legend. Kanan didn’t even know who he was
The thing is, I don't have a problem with them wanting to create a show about Reva. I just have a problem with them creating that show and then calling it Obi Wan Kenobi.
well put ,.... i was willing to give this show time and overall i'd still 100% say i enjoyed/am enjoying it but this feels more .... even the writing .... for Reva then Obi Wan ...
I agree with you 💯 👍! Maybe you could help the writers with their problems lol...guess they haven't read any of the other stories out there that are way better than we got. Thanks for giving us a place to chat with like minded people!
I think Him finding out in the bar is kind of just weird setting for him to discover the information in
Yeah and how would he recognize him seeing him in ep 4 if last time he saw anakin was burning and probably dying in mustafar.
@@Andalaeknir86 Yeah I don't know it's like if I went to the grocery store and learned my wife as a secret agent lol
This makes so much more sense. He's got the Holonet access in those shady cantinas where Vader would be a very public figure, an emblematic enforcer.
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
Before the show dropped, I hoped that this scene or something similar would have been used in the show. I would have loved to see this in live action.
that was a good novel along with the kenobi novel. I still can't believe they went they way they did with the series with him finding it out. unbelievable he would go 10 years.
I'm 50/50. In one hand, I don't feel like just an announcement in a regular old cantina would be a interesting way for him to find out. I mean, it is organic, but it's kind of underwhelming. At least with Reva it was someone more important telling him that he's alive, but maybe if it was the Grand Inquisitor, people would have liked it better, but I digress. I do think it should have been done in a more dramatic situation, but I do agree that, especially after 10 years, he would have probably heard it earlier you know?
Hey Star Wars theory, why haven't you done a video on Bad Batch season 2 trailer?
If he stayed in the cave the whole time I can see him not knowing in 10 years. Anything is possible.
I much prefer the Rise of Lord Vader version as well. Maybe Vader wasn't a clear part of the Imperal heirarchy, but as you said (and the original Star Wars novel stated) - he was the Emperor's enforcer. Originally the Emperor was rarely seen except for by a few in his inner circle and presumably often by Vader. Also liked the way that scene dovetailed with the opening of Force Unleashed; the Rebellion symbol coming from the Marek family crest, and the Wookiees being enslaved to build the Death Star. So much terrific lore in 'Legends'.
Lol did you watch the first episode? What in Obi-WAN’s routine on Tatooine would remotely give the implication that he would know anything about Vader? He lives in a cave in the middle of the desert, he rides into town just to take a transport out to where he works, he clearly is shown keeping to himself and not interacting with people, and he’s clearly been cut off from the Force…he doesn’t even have his lightsaber anywhere near him. Dude is in complete isolation. He couldn’t even sense the Jedi on the planet. How he found out about Vader was just fine.
I think it made sense in Kenobi for him not to have heard of Vader for 10 years. Empire clearly didn’t have too big of a presence at the time, and Kenobi had been closed off and secluded for the whole time.
10 years into the Emperor's reign and they aren't too big of a presence? gotta disagree with that one
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 not in the outer rim though. It’s stated in the show and implied in the movies. They don’t respect the empire and they don’t deal with them out there. Especially a Hutt planet. The republic never was involved on Tatooine so why would the empire be out there? Have to remember, they were only there in Ep IV because the chase for the DS plans lead them there
@@natehassed4242because EU elitists lack media literacy.
@@natehassed4242 im not disagreeing that the Empire didn't have reach on places like Tattooine, but to say that that the Empire didn't have a big presence tho? I mean, whats one or two planets in comparison to the rest of the galaxy?
i guess when i think of an intergalactic empire, i suppose i would like to know what defines a 'big presence'
This is what Star Wars needs, people who are invested in the story and who have grown up reading the novels, comics, and watching the movies. I believe the only people who are qualified to work on the new Star Wars universe should only be Dave Filoni or John Favreau, they are the only ones I've noticed who have a true grasp on what Star Wars fans want.
Great video again theory love the great content👍
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
No I do not know
I have watched an re watched each of the episode and at no point does it ever say that Kenobi didn't already know
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
@@mohdshamil5652 no why. I thought he used his own
Why would obi no when he’s on tattooine which is in the outer rim so they wouldn’t have much imperial presence I think reva telling him was well written it gave more meaning to the experience
Couldnt agree more and love the book depiction
finally people are talking about this. please cover more legends content on galactic empire
I don't think it's crazy that a dude who lives in isolation doesn't know Vader is alive, considering even the inquisitors said Tatooine was a backwater not worth searching. It is unlikely Tatooine would have experience with Vader, if at all. The show explanation makes sense to me.
He was Vader during their fight on Mustafar, how can he possibly not know who he is.
@@alwaysbored6030 he was saying he didn’t think Vader was alive
@@thewaywardson2962 Doesn't know he's still alive* my bad
@@alwaysbored6030 My brother in Christ you are toxic lmao it was a simple typo. I meant there's a good reason for him not to believe Vader is alive
Legends should really be cannon
Can you tell which soundtrack does theory uses in his streams
I live the show and really like the way Obi Wan finds out. I also think it makes perfect sense. He's clearly not conversing with people, keeping to himself. He's disconnected from the force and trying to avoid any thoughts of his past if possible. Living on Tatooine, he's not exactly in the center of the galaxy, but I felt it was organic enough for Kenobi to be told when he was and also makes his learning of Anakin's survival mire intriguing and makes his emotional trauma more active in the story rather than hearing it in a cantina. Idk. To each their own I suppose
In the show it just made me think of how far removed Obi-Wan Kenobi was from just actually living. he literally for 10 years did the exact same thing every day and it’s just the monotony of it to maybe he could be withdrawn enough where he would not have encountered images of Darth Vader
I was ok with what we got in the show. It is what it is. We’re talking about sci-fi / fantasy. GL couldn’t even get Anakin’s age right between the prequel trilogy and ROTJ… but we let that slide bc it’s GL and not Disney…
Facts people just want to hate on disney. George Lucas gets his own series wrong all the time and pretty much all of the stuff in legends is not written or worked on by him but by Lucasfilm