Hey guys - I know this comment's coming a bit late, but I'm still getting people bringing it up - so I thought I'd address it. Just in case you don't want to rewatch the video, here's the script for what I said about LSP & Finn, so I can reference it later. "After Finn, at least as far he believes, basically ruins Breezy’s life, his desire to try and feel anything at all is at an all time high - which is why, even if it’s not something that Finn would usually do, he allows himself to be taken advantage of by LSP. Does this make her a bad person? Almost certainly, something that shouldn’t be a revelation, but I don’t think this moment is really supposed to highlight her doing this horrible thing to Finn: the point is that Finn lets it happen. He’s so desperate for any semblance of emotion that he’s willing to give it a try, but all he finds is a new low - as his flower continues to wilt." First of all, using the phrase 'let it happen,' despite my intent, was definitely a mistake - but I still think this video makes it pretty clear that I obviously don't think that Finn is at all to blame for what LSP did. As I say in the script, LSP is a bad person for doing this, and, if this interaction occurred between two real life human beings, not characters with 'character arcs,' that would be the main takeaway. But, since this episode is focused on Finn's depression, I thought, and still do think, that the part of this interaction worth discussing is Finn's reaction - a reaction that's driven by what he's going through in the episode - as he does something that he normally wouldn't do. I totally get if you thought that I should have talked about this with more tact, as I definitely could have, but if you came away from this video thinking that the point of this was to excuse what LSP did because Finn didn't physically fight back - then I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
i think you handled it well, that being said. i took you saying “he let it happen” not as it being his fault, but that he just didn’t really fight it, which is so out of character for finn. i’ve dealt with similar situations and can definitely attest to that feeling of just wanting to succumb even tho it’s not what you really want. i appreciate you didn’t undermine what lsp did was wrong. you just weren’t here to talk about how shitty lsp is, you were here to talk about finn’s mental health. i can tell you put a lot into this video, it came out good regardless of your unintentional mishandling and you took that in itself in stride. thank you for sharing this video and also recognizing where you could’ve improved.
I think that my main issue isn't with how you phrased the bit with finn, but around 22 minutes in you said that you don't think what lsp did was sexual assault, and I heavily disagree because while it's up to interpretation as to whether it was rape or not, it was sexual assault because it is heavily implied that lsp took it further than what finn was okay with and he vocalized that, yet she continued further. that is at least assault, and since it was at least kissing or making out, that had to have been sexual assault or something like it. I know you intended better phrasing, but please make sure you know more of what you're talking about and how to phrase things like sexual assault, which is already super dismissed if it wasn't something like rape. again, I know you had good intentions, but that doesn't change the impact that the way things are phrased can have. I'm not trying to get on your case too much about this, but I did want to express how I just think that it's a really bad way to phrase what lsp did. she sexually assaulted him, not almost did, and they clearly portrayed that he did not give consent to go further, yet she did it anyway.
" as he does something that he normally wouldn't do." this, this is not okay. I think you need to look internally on why you think this is how you decided to convey this thought. You may not fully understand consent.
There is no way you could have approached this subject without pissing someone off or offending them. You did your best (at the time), published it, then even went further to refine your words within this comment. You can't satisfy everyone, but I commend you for doing your best to consider others. This is something people should consider before they get the pitchforks out because they didn't personally love the way you handled something.
Finn has a delayed reaction realizing that Martin isn’t the only cause of his problems and about his arm. I love his self reflection, and it reminds me of myself at his age coming to terms with the facts my parents may have done some wrong but it’s up to me to fix myself ❤️ thanks Ample for another great video and Finn for growing up with me 😭❤️ Edit* typo
The magic in adventure time is canonically a combo of Madness and sadness. I think it makes perfect sense that he manifests the telekinetic arm in the tower episode as he’s grieving. Shows how much he really way hurting
I believe Finn's psychic arm is mix of his mental power and dipping his toe into madness. Finn has always had great mental power examples being resisting/fighting Goliad's probing and The Lich's Commands, turning on Jake's imagination from his own head, and breaking free of King Worm. When Finn reached "Martin" his psychic arm became bigger and stronger, he also did a crazy laugh similar to Ice King's laugh. When Finn stopped letting that madness control him the arm disappeared.
Breezy is a decent episode, but man did it ruin LSP for me. I don’t even know how they managed to sneak that in her. On a more positive note I like how Finn’s arm didn’t just go back to “normal” in certain situations like when he’s inside GOLB in the finale. He’s accepted himself by now.
Am I the only one who's always gotten those sort of vibes from LSP's demeanor all throughout the show? These actions didn't seem like they'd broken her pushy, demanding, and desiring character.
wait ive rewatched this show SOOO many times but bits and pieces, i don't remember her doing anything actually (that doesn't mean she didn't she probably did do something) didn't she try to like course him into something at some point in the show while he was out of his state of mind, i might be making that up i just don't remember, i just thought she pressured him into something he didn't want and as a girl (or anyone) that's a big nonononooono. no.
When I was a kid these episodes freaked me out a lot. I was really attached to Finn and the seemingly permanent change of him losing his arm made me really upset. In a weird sort of way, I went through stages of grief too. Then when Breezy came out> Even though I got what I wanted at the time with him getting his arm back, it felt unsatisfying, and I stopped caring about the show as much after that. But now as an adult, these are some of my favorite episodes by far, and I think my initial reaction to them actually makes them even better for me now. They're a really dark period of the show and I'm glad people are still talking about it. Thank you for making this video.
@@User4567u8 What does legality matter lots of shitty things are legal and it’s a cartoon no one’s going on trial. I wouldn’t say LSP assaulted him if he had clearly said no I think she would have listened but it’s still valid to call her a creep LSP took advantage of Finn and didn’t care about his boundaries
@@cain5783 yeah its weird. But it happens many times in reality, we shouldnt think just coz its wrong everyone knows, the next girl you meet might have experienced something like this without thinking how terrible it was. People should be more educated on this things
Yes! I call certain situations like that “survival “sex”” when you have to because you know if you don’t it’s going to be bad. Like way worse than the assault itself bad. So you do what you have to, to get away with your life. Maybe not exactly what happened here but i do believe he was taken advantage of for sure!
@@User4567u8 sexual assault is any sexual contact with someone that does not consent or who is being coerced. this would include LSP forcing herself on Finn, who clearly did not want to go further with her and is visibly upset after the encounter, even saying that it's going "in the Vault" where he repressed traumatic or disturbing memories
Even if LSP didn’t rape Finn like most fans took away from the episode, the fact she pushes herself on him for even just heavier/more intimate kisses is sexual assault. He clearly didn’t want to.
@@NonsensicalTrickster Right and even in his state of making bad decisions, he hesitates and feels it’s a bad idea. LSP is a creep. If it was a guy pushing himself on a girl it’d be no debate. And LSP is older than Finn!
I do think there is a line though between a boundary crosser and a sexual assaulter. LSP was a terrible partner in this interaction because she was unaware of Finn feelings and comfort zone but I would like to believe at least for the sake of my own feelings towards the character that had Finn declaratively said no she would have backed off. Crossing people's boundaries was a long-established character trait of LSP so it doesn't damage how I feel about her that much
@@alize0623 yeah because she's a creep, I can still like her if she's a creep and she definitely crossed a boundary. I'm just making a she's a Frank from always sunny and not a Kanker sister from Ed Edd n Eddy argument. If that comparison makes any sense
If dejection of love is what keeps the healing blood of the guardians not working, it just shows how empty Finn was, with how Martin and even The Lich being healed almost instantly
It's cool to see you cover an entire arc. I haven't watched these episodes in a while, but I never felt too cheated by Finn regaining his arm since it always felt like Finn emotionally processing his grief was the point of the arc. It's similar to "Is That You?" or "Hall of Egress" in the sense that the logic of the episode is hard to explain in words, but the emotional outcome _feels_ correct. Returning to your previous state after going through a major internal change is actually really common in Adventure Time. PB became 18 again, Marcie became a vampire again, Jake stopped being a blue alien, and technically Ice King was Simon's altered state, so even he reverted back to his original self. So it's kind of interesting to see how people react differently to all these instances. In any case, I liked Breezy (the episode), but the songs in particular are what stick in my brain. Finn and Breezy's voices sound great and the lyrics are good at conveying their emotions without being blunt. But also the visuals just nail what Finn is going through more than words can say.
I think it perfectly aligns with the saying that everything stays but changes in little ways that the show keeps reiterating. it's a very strong thread throughout the show.
i think Finn getting his arm at “tower” episode via emotional manifestation is not something you can’t expect from AT, since we have an episode with the finn’s astral projection flying to space just to have a chat with comet about eternity and stuff
@packosand3287 She doesn't even have a medical degree. She just went to the hospital for an x-ray and her fist name is Doctor so everyone assumed she worked there.😂She says so herself.
I gotta be honest, as a kid when I first watched the show, completely detached from the internet, I wasn’t aware that breezy was a controversial episode. I always thought it was really weird and crazy, but in the good way that adventure time always dose it. It also surprised me when you said that fins arm came back only two episodes later. I never remember the time being that short. For me it felt like a long time, and maybe that’s because of air dates on tv as opposed to streaming.
I understand how Finn felt, Earlier this year and the last bit of last year I felt a dark depression, I felt nothing, I was sick a lot and I was always fighting with everyone I loved. But, I found myself again, from accepting help from my family and friends. Finding my God again and finding myself within that depression. It took me so long to find it and once I did. I felt so much better. But it wouldn’t have happened if I didn’t have my family and friends who love me no matter what. I love this Video AS, thank you for sharing this amazing your points with these few episodes and give me a space to share my thoughts!
Adventure time is one of the only show that when I remember an episode I HATED there's going to be an essay on it explaining why I'm wrong and I'm like "Oh ! You are right. Guess I was just too young to get it." Also, regardless of THIS episode LSP need to be on list !!!
@@Cnvivi I think it aged really well! Imagine if Adventure Time DID stick to "less artsy, more fartsy!" I feel like it was just a case of a badly-timed episode, with it coming off the heels of introducing Martin to the series
I think Finn's telekinetic arm makes perfect sense within the established world building of the show. The mutagenic bomb/the catalyst comet tilted the balance of reality towards the magical and fantastical. We've seen Finn and Jake manifest magical abilities outside of their usual skill set on multiple occasions. Jake and Jermaine have twin telepathy despite not actually being twins and just having been born at the same time. When ice King paralyzed Finn and Jake Finn was able to call upon butterflies because of his past life as a butterfly that he could control telepathically. And as early as the first two seasons Finn rubs his hands together and shoots a fireball onto a pile of brush and there is no explanation given whatsoever. So I have no problem believing that Finns frustration could absolutely result in the manifestation of psychic powers. Especially since let's not forget Finn is not a normal person he is a reincarnation of a catalyst comet just like the Lich he is tied to cosmic forces more than a regular denisen of Oo
“He let it happen” If a boy/man is SA’d they always “let it happen” When you’re in that instant, not letting it happen takes soo much strength in every way, specially because most victims get petrified and frozen
I LOVE Breezy as an episode and have since it aired. I think a lot of this analysis gets it pretty spot on, but I think it's worth pointing out that the reason why the guardian goop didn't heal Fin's arm was because it wasn't a wound, it was a physical manifestation of loss. And unfortunately, loss is something you have to process, not heal, and it never REALLY goes away. I don't think that the loss of Fin's arm is about Fin rejecting love, but is about the loss of an important person in his life and the lack of love felt in that loss. It's very easy to try to find replacements for healthy parental attachment in romance, and that's really what the heart of this episode is about. When you aren't securely attached to anyone, you look for anyone who will inspire feelings of security and love in you. Unlike the princesses that Fin pursues though, Breezy is the real deal. I think your interpretation sells her short in some ways, her appearance at the end of the episode is directed to Fin, commanding him to arise. She's here offering Fin the unconditional love that he didn't receive from his father, even though she knows she'll get nothing in return. Breezy's ending is also not as happy as you make it out to be here. While she does end up happy to have Fin's flower, her actions to prioritize Fin directly mean that something she cares deeply about, the flower, will soon be gone forever. The flower has already begun to wilt and now it can never recover. This is a moment of sacrifice for Breezy, where she prioritizes the person she loves over what she wants, and that is a big element for how Fin is ultimately healed. He doesn't even think that it was her, remembering it as coming from the "PB Fin Sword" moment he had.
This was an example of how the experience is different watching a show when it's all out compared to watching it when it's still coming out. When AT was coming out in real time, I was upset about "backtracking" and "filler" but when rewatching it now none of that seems like a big deal. I raged in real time about "Sad Face" but on a rewatch and just treating it like another episode and not an "interruption" I don't have any problem with it because I know things will get back on track shortly. My wife had never watched the show when it was out and when I binged the entire thing with her she commented that that episode was actually one of her favorites.
i think that two episodes separating escape from the citadel and the tower actually help enhance your point about the five stages of grief as we see finn without the arm but its "normal" adventure time fun episodes, showing that finn is in denial. he's just continuing on. especially since hes a child. yes he's gone through other traumatizing stuff but not everyone will have the typical trauma reaction people expect from tv, the crying and screaming and other dramatic moments. people who have gone through a lot of traumatic things tend to just continue on-thinking that it's normal while it affects their behavior or until they come to that breaking point. i think that's where finn is. in that space of numbness and denial before the reality sits in. and the beginning of the tower is him moving from that denial and into the other stages. or if you want to give an outside the show view, they might've just wanted happier episodes in between the more heavier ones to give people a little bit of break. anyway, love the video! i've always loved breezy and the whole arc here so i love to see people defend it!
Fin much like many young men hides his feelings, ofcourse he would go from melancholy to blind joy and candy adventures then right back to emotionally suppressed. It added a relatable growth and degradation characteristic to him, it made his feelings blind and real like they so often are for us all
That’s not what he was saying. He was saying that the point of the scene wasn’t to highlight that lumpy space Princess did something awful disgusting but to highlight how low fin has fallen that he was willing to let it happen instead of do anything at all to prevent it. She took advantage of him, but that he was able to be taken advantage of given the circumstances and how uncomfortable he seemed afterwards showcases something about his situation too and that’s what was being highlighted, obviously. The episode doesn’t focus on LSP at all after that.
I think it's not insignificant to kinda emphasize that Finn doesn't like LSP as a person, she's a selfish, rude, and imo annoying person, and the fact that Finn would be willing to let her take advantage of him despite those character traits, and the fact that we know he doesn't enjoy her company, isn't insignificant
Oh, totally. It shows how far he's willing to stoop in his pursuit of emotion. Nothing that would normally make him happy is making him feel anything - so he does the logical thing, and tries something that would make him miserable. It's dark, sad, and completely appropriate for a teenage boy struggling to find joy in the wake of loss.
I think the theme of Finn continuously losing his arm and his sword to quickly find a new arm and new sword work as a metaphor of life. It's like over and over again, you realize nothing works like you think it does and you are completely lost with no idea of what you can do or what you are supposed to do and then you kind of get a grip of things again and you keep on going and you're supposed to pretend everything is fine but you know the arm you are using every day might be the wrong arm and it's not the arm you started with. You lost that a long time ago and when you try and recall that it's like you're looking at a film about a person who isn't you. PS If anyone liked LSP before Breezy I can't relate to that.
when i was a kid i liked her for what I saw I could be. i was chubby and seeing a character be confident and demanding of what she wanted in spite of her lumps --even because of them-- made me view LSP as more aspirational than anything. then again, i only ever saw the first two seasons growing up lol.
This video is amazing but I can’t stop geeking out about the reference of “Dr Strangelove (or how I fell in love with the bomb)” reference in the title
Great vid dude. I really love Breezy and although Finn should’ve lost his arm for longer, the circumstances invited this episode into the season and I’ll always be thankful for that. I really love the songs and the metaphors within them, and I think you nailed them all perfectly and explained them very well. Kudos to you Mr Ample 🎉
Now I understand more this arc and especially breezy, i always had mixed feelings about it, i still dont understand it as much, but i liked the video, almost made me cry at the final minutes
I think having normal episodes like James 2 and Sad Face actually fit Finn's character well. He's been shown plenty of times to be the kinda guy to just repress his problems and pretend nothing's wrong
I didn't like it at first because it felt like it back tracked Finn's development but going back after the end of the show, I think it's really good. The only part I still can't get over is LSP assaulting Finn. Not just that but also it's never brought up again. Not once. She got away with no social consequences.
While I agree that PB at the end of Breezy represents love, I disagree on the form of love she represents. To contextualise my view, when losing his arm and finding out his dad is a deadbeat Finn doesn't grieve his father, who he never knew, but the self-concepted idea of his father. He also grieves the loss of his pure-hearted optimism about people (as stated). Realising these two flaws in his identity and worldview, as well as causing the loss of his arm through a stubbornness to accept that, I believe he develops a deep sense of self-loathing. I think this explains his inability to find a more healthy path to healing and why the healing goop has no effect on him (not thinking he deserves to heal). So then when Breezy sings about the love beyond reason it is an experience Finn is all too familiar with regarding PB ("this memory of feeling") and which he feels shameful for. However, Breezy sings of acceptance and forgiving herself as she kneels down, giving herself to her emotion rather than feeling shame for it. So when the figure of PB appears to Finn, she is both a mentor (from "my hero arise") and an embodiment of the feelings Finn empathises with in Breezy. A reflection of his own experience but with the addition of seeing Breezy rise above what Finn sees as a flaw in himself. When PB tells Finn to let love be his guide, its a love for himself he must feel. To accept the "flaws" of his identity as entirely a part of himself, and to let his and Breezy's mutual experience with love guide a path to seeing them not simply as flaws but part of the branching :) network of his whole self. He cannot be the selfless hero without this worldview and identity.
I feel like the episodes make since, as a person who has experienced loosing something/someone that is important, you first wanna just get back to normal life and try to conform to the “norm” of life. At the end, it will catch up with you. This makes the sequence of episodes feel real for me. Especially with everyone trying to help as much as they can .
You should talk about the Three Buckets episode if you havent already. i think its one of the most interesting episodes, and its deffinetly my favorite.
Wonder if that was an animation error. It feels intentional though, perhaps it's a subtle way of showing that deep inside Finn is on his way to healing.
I would argue the episodes in between finn losing his arm and the tower are necessary. I always read them as being that stage of 'life goes on' when you're depressed. Everything is falling down around you, you feel empty as fuck, but you still gotta put your functioning face on and pretend that you're fine and you're good until you just can't anymore. But then, i guess i could be projecting lol.
I think people take this arc out of the context of the whole series. Without Finn getting his arm back, we wouldn't have had Fern be a larger part of season 9 and 10. The Finn/Fern story arc is potentially my favorite despite it being sad overall. I was upset that his arm came back in such a short period of time, but overall I appreciate what they did after rewatching the series last year.
Saying Finn “let’s it happen” is a phrase that personally really bothers me. He didn’t say yes or consent verbally or nonverbally. That phrase historically has been used to minimize SA victims’ suffering and legitimacy. LSP straight up assaulted him. I feel like because Finn is a boy it gets played down A LOT. But SA is SA, no matter the gender. I appreciate the point you’re making about the overall episode and Finn dealing with depression, but I feel like that point could have been made without minimizing the rather obvious signs that the scene implies SA/being forced into a situation you’re not comfortable with.
I've already responded to a different comment with a similar sentiment, but just so it doesn't seem like I'm ignoring this - That's not what I was trying to say, and I'm really sorry if it came out that way! Obviously, as I say in the video, LSP is in the wrong. While I don't think that it's canon that LSP rapes Finn after the cut to black, even in the stuff that we do see, LSP is clearly and entirely the one at fault. The point I was trying to make is that the point of the scene is that Finn doesn't fight back - not that this proves that he was somehow not a victim, as he definitely was, but just in a sense that it proves how bad his depression had gotten. This episode is about Finn, and thus the focus of the episode is his response to the actions of those around him - not the terrible things that LSP does here.
@@AmpleSamuel first, sexual assault isn’t always r@pe… sexual assault involves ANY unwanted sexual contact, including kissing (which we see implied with LSP’s lips approaching the screen after Finn basically saying “that’s it, we’re done.”) I never said it was r@pe, but I am saying there is NO doubt that it was SA based on factual definition of the phrase. Given this is a HEAVILY SA coded scene, when you said “he let it happen to him,” it was just poorly chosen wording that is dismissive of survivors of SA. I get that you didn’t mean it that way for the sake of your depression argument, but it’s worth noting for future use to not use victim-blaming language. I actually enjoyed your interpretation of the episode and thought you had some great points (I too think Breezy is an episode that explores deeper topics pretty well and that it was interesting for Finn’s character growth). But for the future please consider the connotations certain phrases will always have. You are a skilled analyst, so please just consider the ramifications of your words in future videos. That’s all I’m saying.
I definitely see where you’re coming from here. As you could probably tell, I danced around the topic a little bit in this video because I’m obviously not experienced/qualified/comfortable going deep into topics like this - especially when Finn’s mental health was the focus of the video - and while I definitely wasn’t trying to imply that LSP didn’t take advantage of Finn, I see that I should have used different language when getting to that point. Thanks for taking time to write your feedback, it’s very appreciated.
@@haley_blue_bellas someone who's been sexually assaulted and gets your over arching point may I just say the guys intent was clear and took the time to respond to you personally so how bout you just settle down
@@AK907LSD25the reply is cordial and straight forward. Also a survivor - let these two people have an adult interaction. Crit is a normal part of life and this is incredibly straightforward and in good faith. Build up a tolerance for average conflicts.
i really enjoyed breezy. and in every instance of finn losing his arm even in his past lives, he regains it at some point before a massive change, a catalyst. his and ooo's history repeating themselves is a major theme of adventure time, as well as their respective acceptance of the past and eventual change for the better tldr: breezy isn't about finns arm, but about his inability to cope and change
Finn is the most human character in any kid show, or most shows in general to date. He may be a hero, but it doesn't mean he's always right. He may be compassionate, but it isn't always in the right moments. He is a human character, with flaws as we all have. And self impressions of himself that hold him back, that we all put on ourselves as well. It is amazing to see him grow and grow with him.
There was nothing worse for me as a kid than hosting a big AT viewing binge party and this freaking episode was playing as the adults decided to sit in and watch with us. Im still morbidly embarrassed.
I love your content so much dude! we don't mind the length at all ! adventure time and Steven universe are some of my favorite shows and I love your thoughts on them these videos scratch a certain itch no like nothin else 😂
Definitely think the arm returning waa a great idea. The visual representation wasn't mandatory! Like you said he changed. It's obvious too. That's better than a nerfed hero so early into the story. Next time, lmao
still shocked people overwhelmingly didn't like Finn losing his arm and the way he got it back by being like any other teen. Too close to home for some maybe lol? In all seriousness, I always thought these episodes were so good for being honest and messy with characters while playing with how people don't make the right choices when they're not in the right headspace. All the while, that doesn't necessarily make you a good or bad person but human. Finn's known as "Finn the Human" after all. As for the LSP stuff, I mean yeah it's pretty bad. But also, teens and young adults make dumb decisions all the time and regretting an intimate encounter is also an equally valid situation some people find themselves in. Shying away from that messiness just creates more shame and misconceptions over those situations,. All that does is create the perception that these things never happen at all or that there's' something inherently wrong with you for being someone who did a less-than-wise decision in your youth. Ngl, at the time of release, the people who were so against these episodes conceptually were usually trying to play some sort of moral high ground (over fictional characters...) which just looked like deflection over probably being in similar situations. Or maybe it was just extreme innocence and lack of awareness as to what sort of story these episodes were going for, hard to tell.
I loved breezy. I dislike LSP because of it though.. she most definitely did rape Finn and he didn't just let it happen(No offence, but bad choice of words..) And ik it can be hard to emotionally work through, but I feel that it's good to introduce these deep concepts to kids. I just remember myself being young and feeling so lost with no guidance on how to process difficult social experiences.
overall a great video and great analysis but i have to disagree with the sentiment that finn "allows himself to be taken advantage of." consent must also be genuine and enthusiastic to a degree, if someone is passive in response to being pushed for more kissing/sexual stuff then it's not consentual. Whether or not the 'making out' symbolised more, it doesn't really matter because either way it's still assault. we both agree that what LSP did was shitty, I just wanted to point it out. thanks for the video
I agree with you that Finn may not have explicitly stated his objection to what lSP was implied to have done, which isn't unrealistic given his behaviour throughout the episode, I think a more apt description would acknowledge that it was still in fact sexual assault- by coersion. I think it is really important to emphasis that sexual coersion is still sexual assault/r*pe as anythiong other than entusiastic consent is. The feelings/emotions/trauma it inspires is still the same. Which is why his reaction afterwards is so heavily focused on by viewers who make this argument- it's the most damning evidence of the difference between his interaction with LSP and with the others.
I'm honestly just curious as to why Billy told Finn this information, it's not like Finn had any goal in finding his real parents or even needed Martin to begin with but yet he told him
Finn is ambidextrous, the loss of his hand was nothing more than that. He is adaptable and creative. He is strong and independent. He is chosen, but he also made himself through his choices. The same as everyone develops their personalities. Personalities plural because theres so many people with D.I.D who dont know because psychology isnt taught in most schools under collage-level.
Ok but he loses the arm again and this time it stays gone. Like even into distant lands and Fiona and cake. He got his arm back, but lost it again for realsies this time. I know you mentioned that also, but the way you kept saying "it wasn't permanent" felt a bit dishonest. I think it has more to do with the curse of the grass sword. The grass sword was cursed, that curse bonded with finn by flesh and spirit. That's why it reacted to him not wanting to lose Martin again. And the damn sword imbedded itself into his flesh and was also brought back by the goo. And this return of his arm leads to both the finn sword and Fernn. And the second loss of his arm. Becuase he was always going to lose that arm. That was always the end game.
As a kid, I found Breezy to be weird and too-abstract for my kid brain, but when I rewatched the show at 20, I realized how good Finn's whole arc of losing his arm is. I have a really complicated and messed up relationship with my estranged father, and the way Finn goes through a similar thing I felt myself relating so hard, and reconsidering how I was approaching my grief. The depiction of depression was so incredibly realistic too, but put in a way where he's still "Finn," if that makes any sense. Anyway, I'm rambling, but Breezy is good
people need to separate their disgust of an action from a disgust of an episode. this was fantastic and It saddens me fans are so immature to be unable to handle it
I am surprised to know that people didn't like sad face. It's weird but I thought it was interesting. Then again I didn't know people didn't like Breezy either and I was fine with it so what do I know lol
Hey guys - I know this comment's coming a bit late, but I'm still getting people bringing it up - so I thought I'd address it. Just in case you don't want to rewatch the video, here's the script for what I said about LSP & Finn, so I can reference it later.
"After Finn, at least as far he believes, basically ruins Breezy’s life, his desire to try and feel anything at all is at an all time high - which is why, even if it’s not something that Finn would usually do, he allows himself to be taken advantage of by LSP. Does this make her a bad person? Almost certainly, something that shouldn’t be a revelation, but I don’t think this moment is really supposed to highlight her doing this horrible thing to Finn: the point is that Finn lets it happen. He’s so desperate for any semblance of emotion that he’s willing to give it a try, but all he finds is a new low - as his flower continues to wilt."
First of all, using the phrase 'let it happen,' despite my intent, was definitely a mistake - but I still think this video makes it pretty clear that I obviously don't think that Finn is at all to blame for what LSP did. As I say in the script, LSP is a bad person for doing this, and, if this interaction occurred between two real life human beings, not characters with 'character arcs,' that would be the main takeaway. But, since this episode is focused on Finn's depression, I thought, and still do think, that the part of this interaction worth discussing is Finn's reaction - a reaction that's driven by what he's going through in the episode - as he does something that he normally wouldn't do.
I totally get if you thought that I should have talked about this with more tact, as I definitely could have, but if you came away from this video thinking that the point of this was to excuse what LSP did because Finn didn't physically fight back - then I don't think I can convince you otherwise.
i think you handled it well, that being said. i took you saying “he let it happen” not as it being his fault, but that he just didn’t really fight it, which is so out of character for finn. i’ve dealt with similar situations and can definitely attest to that feeling of just wanting to succumb even tho it’s not what you really want.
i appreciate you didn’t undermine what lsp did was wrong. you just weren’t here to talk about how shitty lsp is, you were here to talk about finn’s mental health.
i can tell you put a lot into this video, it came out good regardless of your unintentional mishandling and you took that in itself in stride. thank you for sharing this video and also recognizing where you could’ve improved.
I think that my main issue isn't with how you phrased the bit with finn, but around 22 minutes in you said that you don't think what lsp did was sexual assault, and I heavily disagree because while it's up to interpretation as to whether it was rape or not, it was sexual assault because it is heavily implied that lsp took it further than what finn was okay with and he vocalized that, yet she continued further. that is at least assault, and since it was at least kissing or making out, that had to have been sexual assault or something like it. I know you intended better phrasing, but please make sure you know more of what you're talking about and how to phrase things like sexual assault, which is already super dismissed if it wasn't something like rape. again, I know you had good intentions, but that doesn't change the impact that the way things are phrased can have. I'm not trying to get on your case too much about this, but I did want to express how I just think that it's a really bad way to phrase what lsp did. she sexually assaulted him, not almost did, and they clearly portrayed that he did not give consent to go further, yet she did it anyway.
" as he does something that he normally wouldn't do." this, this is not okay. I think you need to look internally on why you think this is how you decided to convey this thought. You may not fully understand consent.
There is no way you could have approached this subject without pissing someone off or offending them. You did your best (at the time), published it, then even went further to refine your words within this comment.
You can't satisfy everyone, but I commend you for doing your best to consider others.
This is something people should consider before they get the pitchforks out because they didn't personally love the way you handled something.
Finn has a delayed reaction realizing that Martin isn’t the only cause of his problems and about his arm. I love his self reflection, and it reminds me of myself at his age coming to terms with the facts my parents may have done some wrong but it’s up to me to fix myself ❤️ thanks Ample for another great video and Finn for growing up with me 😭❤️
Edit* typo
Not true, before the edit the coment said: "remove human rights to french people"
@@elgiank2914would’ve liked the comment anyway
@@elgiank2914 I mean... Can you blame the guy?
The magic in adventure time is canonically a combo of Madness and sadness. I think it makes perfect sense that he manifests the telekinetic arm in the tower episode as he’s grieving. Shows how much he really way hurting
I believe Finn's psychic arm is mix of his mental power and dipping his toe into madness.
Finn has always had great mental power examples being resisting/fighting Goliad's probing and The Lich's Commands, turning on Jake's imagination from his own head, and breaking free of King Worm.
When Finn reached "Martin" his psychic arm became bigger and stronger, he also did a crazy laugh similar to Ice King's laugh.
When Finn stopped letting that madness control him the arm disappeared.
Madness and sadness is magic in av so I believe it
@@Cnvivi that was i was getting at but wasn't sure to call it magic as PB doesn't seem to call psychic powers as magic
He also summoned that hoard of butterflies by astral projecting one time
@@fermentedoj315 how did i forget the whole astral projection thing, Astral Plane is literally my favorite episode
@@Moonstriker2514Remember that PB doesn't like calling anything magic. At least she didn't.
Breezy is a decent episode, but man did it ruin LSP for me. I don’t even know how they managed to sneak that in her.
On a more positive note I like how Finn’s arm didn’t just go back to “normal” in certain situations like when he’s inside GOLB in the finale. He’s accepted himself by now.
I think the creators confirmed it was only french kissing, which isn't as bad as I originally thought it was
Am I the only one who's always gotten those sort of vibes from LSP's demeanor all throughout the show? These actions didn't seem like they'd broken her pushy, demanding, and desiring character.
@@KowzorzI agree
wait ive rewatched this show SOOO many times but bits and pieces, i don't remember her doing anything actually (that doesn't mean she didn't she probably did do something) didn't she try to like course him into something at some point in the show while he was out of his state of mind, i might be making that up i just don't remember, i just thought she pressured him into something he didn't want and as a girl (or anyone) that's a big nonononooono. no.
@@mar420.74coerce
When I was a kid these episodes freaked me out a lot. I was really attached to Finn and the seemingly permanent change of him losing his arm made me really upset. In a weird sort of way, I went through stages of grief too. Then when Breezy came out> Even though I got what I wanted at the time with him getting his arm back, it felt unsatisfying, and I stopped caring about the show as much after that. But now as an adult, these are some of my favorite episodes by far, and I think my initial reaction to them actually makes them even better for me now. They're a really dark period of the show and I'm glad people are still talking about it. Thank you for making this video.
Finn letting it happen doesn’t make it any less sexual assault. Like you said he was taken advantage of. That still makes lsp a creep to me.
Its not legally sexual assault, things like this happen in reality all the time
@@User4567u8 What does legality matter lots of shitty things are legal and it’s a cartoon no one’s going on trial. I wouldn’t say LSP assaulted him if he had clearly said no I think she would have listened but it’s still valid to call her a creep LSP took advantage of Finn and didn’t care about his boundaries
@@cain5783 yeah its weird. But it happens many times in reality, we shouldnt think just coz its wrong everyone knows, the next girl you meet might have experienced something like this without thinking how terrible it was. People should be more educated on this things
Yes! I call certain situations like that “survival “sex”” when you have to because you know if you don’t it’s going to be bad. Like way worse than the assault itself bad. So you do what you have to, to get away with your life. Maybe not exactly what happened here but i do believe he was taken advantage of for sure!
@@User4567u8 sexual assault is any sexual contact with someone that does not consent or who is being coerced. this would include LSP forcing herself on Finn, who clearly did not want to go further with her and is visibly upset after the encounter, even saying that it's going "in the Vault" where he repressed traumatic or disturbing memories
Even if LSP didn’t rape Finn like most fans took away from the episode, the fact she pushes herself on him for even just heavier/more intimate kisses is sexual assault. He clearly didn’t want to.
Was looking for this comment. He wasn't in the headspace to make sound decisions and LSP took advantage of that, and also pushed herself on him.
@@NonsensicalTrickster Right and even in his state of making bad decisions, he hesitates and feels it’s a bad idea. LSP is a creep. If it was a guy pushing himself on a girl it’d be no debate. And LSP is older than Finn!
I do think there is a line though between a boundary crosser and a sexual assaulter. LSP was a terrible partner in this interaction because she was unaware of Finn feelings and comfort zone but I would like to believe at least for the sake of my own feelings towards the character that had Finn declaratively said no she would have backed off. Crossing people's boundaries was a long-established character trait of LSP so it doesn't damage how I feel about her that much
@@noremac7216 she’s regularly shown to disregard no, such as when she stalked and harassed her ex boyfriend
@@alize0623 yeah because she's a creep, I can still like her if she's a creep and she definitely crossed a boundary. I'm just making a she's a Frank from always sunny and not a Kanker sister from Ed Edd n Eddy argument. If that comparison makes any sense
If dejection of love is what keeps the healing blood of the guardians not working, it just shows how empty Finn was, with how Martin and even The Lich being healed almost instantly
It's cool to see you cover an entire arc. I haven't watched these episodes in a while, but I never felt too cheated by Finn regaining his arm since it always felt like Finn emotionally processing his grief was the point of the arc. It's similar to "Is That You?" or "Hall of Egress" in the sense that the logic of the episode is hard to explain in words, but the emotional outcome _feels_ correct.
Returning to your previous state after going through a major internal change is actually really common in Adventure Time. PB became 18 again, Marcie became a vampire again, Jake stopped being a blue alien, and technically Ice King was Simon's altered state, so even he reverted back to his original self. So it's kind of interesting to see how people react differently to all these instances.
In any case, I liked Breezy (the episode), but the songs in particular are what stick in my brain. Finn and Breezy's voices sound great and the lyrics are good at conveying their emotions without being blunt. But also the visuals just nail what Finn is going through more than words can say.
I think it perfectly aligns with the saying that everything stays but changes in little ways that the show keeps reiterating. it's a very strong thread throughout the show.
🎶 babys building a tower into space 🎶
In space where he’s going to find his dad
Lumpy on lifeguard duty is CRAAAZZY
i think Finn getting his arm at “tower” episode via emotional manifestation is not something you can’t expect from AT, since we have an episode with the finn’s astral projection flying to space just to have a chat with comet about eternity and stuff
Класно бачити українців які теж насолоджуються Adventure Time! :DD
doctor princess is neither a doctor or a princess
Wait she wasn't a doctor???
@packosand3287 She doesn't even have a medical degree. She just went to the hospital for an x-ray and her fist name is Doctor so everyone assumed she worked there.😂She says so herself.
She seems more like a yoga teacher, cause of her calm melodic voice
I gotta be honest, as a kid when I first watched the show, completely detached from the internet, I wasn’t aware that breezy was a controversial episode. I always thought it was really weird and crazy, but in the good way that adventure time always dose it. It also surprised me when you said that fins arm came back only two episodes later. I never remember the time being that short. For me it felt like a long time, and maybe that’s because of air dates on tv as opposed to streaming.
I think the goop healed what it could, the grass curse couldnt be "healed" and took its "pound of flesh" for the use of it so far
I understand how Finn felt, Earlier this year and the last bit of last year I felt a dark depression, I felt nothing, I was sick a lot and I was always fighting with everyone I loved. But, I found myself again, from accepting help from my family and friends. Finding my God again and finding myself within that depression. It took me so long to find it and once I did. I felt so much better. But it wouldn’t have happened if I didn’t have my family and friends who love me no matter what.
I love this Video AS, thank you for sharing this amazing your points with these few episodes and give me a space to share my thoughts!
❤️
@@AmpleSamuel your truely one of my favorite RUclipsrs! I’m always excited to see your videos pop up.
Adventure time is one of the only show that when I remember an episode I HATED there's going to be an essay on it explaining why I'm wrong and I'm like "Oh ! You are right. Guess I was just too young to get it."
Also, regardless of THIS episode LSP need to be on list !!!
Y'all gone make me defend "Sad Face" huh? 😭 Great video, though!
I agree sad face ain’t bad 😭😭😭 I’ll die on this hill
@@Cnvivi I think it aged really well! Imagine if Adventure Time DID stick to "less artsy, more fartsy!" I feel like it was just a case of a badly-timed episode, with it coming off the heels of introducing Martin to the series
i LOVE sad face!!!! not to be controversial but sad face kinda represents everything i love about adventure time
I think Finn's telekinetic arm makes perfect sense within the established world building of the show. The mutagenic bomb/the catalyst comet tilted the balance of reality towards the magical and fantastical. We've seen Finn and Jake manifest magical abilities outside of their usual skill set on multiple occasions. Jake and Jermaine have twin telepathy despite not actually being twins and just having been born at the same time. When ice King paralyzed Finn and Jake Finn was able to call upon butterflies because of his past life as a butterfly that he could control telepathically. And as early as the first two seasons Finn rubs his hands together and shoots a fireball onto a pile of brush and there is no explanation given whatsoever. So I have no problem believing that Finns frustration could absolutely result in the manifestation of psychic powers. Especially since let's not forget Finn is not a normal person he is a reincarnation of a catalyst comet just like the Lich he is tied to cosmic forces more than a regular denisen of Oo
Nice
I always really loved the depression fin goes through during these episodes, it’s the only representation I ever found that REALLY feels like my own.
“He let it happen”
If a boy/man is SA’d they always “let it happen”
When you’re in that instant, not letting it happen takes soo much strength in every way, specially because most victims get petrified and frozen
I LOVE Breezy as an episode and have since it aired. I think a lot of this analysis gets it pretty spot on, but I think it's worth pointing out that the reason why the guardian goop didn't heal Fin's arm was because it wasn't a wound, it was a physical manifestation of loss. And unfortunately, loss is something you have to process, not heal, and it never REALLY goes away.
I don't think that the loss of Fin's arm is about Fin rejecting love, but is about the loss of an important person in his life and the lack of love felt in that loss. It's very easy to try to find replacements for healthy parental attachment in romance, and that's really what the heart of this episode is about. When you aren't securely attached to anyone, you look for anyone who will inspire feelings of security and love in you. Unlike the princesses that Fin pursues though, Breezy is the real deal. I think your interpretation sells her short in some ways, her appearance at the end of the episode is directed to Fin, commanding him to arise. She's here offering Fin the unconditional love that he didn't receive from his father, even though she knows she'll get nothing in return.
Breezy's ending is also not as happy as you make it out to be here. While she does end up happy to have Fin's flower, her actions to prioritize Fin directly mean that something she cares deeply about, the flower, will soon be gone forever. The flower has already begun to wilt and now it can never recover. This is a moment of sacrifice for Breezy, where she prioritizes the person she loves over what she wants, and that is a big element for how Fin is ultimately healed. He doesn't even think that it was her, remembering it as coming from the "PB Fin Sword" moment he had.
This was an example of how the experience is different watching a show when it's all out compared to watching it when it's still coming out. When AT was coming out in real time, I was upset about "backtracking" and "filler" but when rewatching it now none of that seems like a big deal. I raged in real time about "Sad Face" but on a rewatch and just treating it like another episode and not an "interruption" I don't have any problem with it because I know things will get back on track shortly. My wife had never watched the show when it was out and when I binged the entire thing with her she commented that that episode was actually one of her favorites.
i think that two episodes separating escape from the citadel and the tower actually help enhance your point about the five stages of grief as we see finn without the arm but its "normal" adventure time fun episodes, showing that finn is in denial. he's just continuing on. especially since hes a child. yes he's gone through other traumatizing stuff but not everyone will have the typical trauma reaction people expect from tv, the crying and screaming and other dramatic moments. people who have gone through a lot of traumatic things tend to just continue on-thinking that it's normal while it affects their behavior or until they come to that breaking point. i think that's where finn is. in that space of numbness and denial before the reality sits in. and the beginning of the tower is him moving from that denial and into the other stages. or if you want to give an outside the show view, they might've just wanted happier episodes in between the more heavier ones to give people a little bit of break.
anyway, love the video! i've always loved breezy and the whole arc here so i love to see people defend it!
yess agree
My only problem with Breezy was lsp basically coercing Finn. It completely ruined her character for me and was so dark.
i think they just kinda wanted to have finn 'loose a part of himself' to show his feeling of incompleteness. that theres something missing.
Fin much like many young men hides his feelings, ofcourse he would go from melancholy to blind joy and candy adventures then right back to emotionally suppressed. It added a relatable growth and degradation characteristic to him, it made his feelings blind and real like they so often are for us all
Can you believe that Wake Up and Escape to the Citadel AND Breezy are all banned in the UK 😢
So stupid, here the one about slime princess marrying finn, all the little people and bad jubies are banned
@@simonsanchezkumrich8489 Why would "Bad Jubies" of all episodes be banned?
yes. yes i can.
well, this make sense
Why? Because of violence
watching random adventure time lore videos in the middle of the night is so random but its such a vibe
Did Finn get assulted yes but he let it happen is such an insane fucking take lolllll😂😂
That’s not what he was saying. He was saying that the point of the scene wasn’t to highlight that lumpy space Princess did something awful disgusting but to highlight how low fin has fallen that he was willing to let it happen instead of do anything at all to prevent it. She took advantage of him, but that he was able to be taken advantage of given the circumstances and how uncomfortable he seemed afterwards showcases something about his situation too and that’s what was being highlighted, obviously. The episode doesn’t focus on LSP at all after that.
I think it's not insignificant to kinda emphasize that Finn doesn't like LSP as a person, she's a selfish, rude, and imo annoying person, and the fact that Finn would be willing to let her take advantage of him despite those character traits, and the fact that we know he doesn't enjoy her company, isn't insignificant
Oh, totally. It shows how far he's willing to stoop in his pursuit of emotion. Nothing that would normally make him happy is making him feel anything - so he does the logical thing, and tries something that would make him miserable. It's dark, sad, and completely appropriate for a teenage boy struggling to find joy in the wake of loss.
Ashley Burch is perfect for breezy she is weirdly comforting
I think the theme of Finn continuously losing his arm and his sword to quickly find a new arm and new sword work as a metaphor of life. It's like over and over again, you realize nothing works like you think it does and you are completely lost with no idea of what you can do or what you are supposed to do and then you kind of get a grip of things again and you keep on going and you're supposed to pretend everything is fine but you know the arm you are using every day might be the wrong arm and it's not the arm you started with. You lost that a long time ago and when you try and recall that it's like you're looking at a film about a person who isn't you.
PS If anyone liked LSP before Breezy I can't relate to that.
when i was a kid i liked her for what I saw I could be. i was chubby and seeing a character be confident and demanding of what she wanted in spite of her lumps --even because of them-- made me view LSP as more aspirational than anything. then again, i only ever saw the first two seasons growing up lol.
This is one of my favorite episodes the music is so good but we don't talk about what happened with lsp 😅😭😭
"Finn and we, by extension, don't know who Finn's parents are, unlike other stories (shows Aang from ATLA)"
babe wake up AmpleSamuel posted again
I loved this longer form vide! Been searching for a good analysis of Breezy like this for ages!
When I first saw Breezy, I didn't understand it, now sadly I do and I relate to Finn more than I ever have before.
Keep up the good work man I love watching your videos they’re so nice and calm
This video is amazing but I can’t stop geeking out about the reference of “Dr Strangelove (or how I fell in love with the bomb)” reference in the title
Great vid dude. I really love Breezy and although Finn should’ve lost his arm for longer, the circumstances invited this episode into the season and I’ll always be thankful for that. I really love the songs and the metaphors within them, and I think you nailed them all perfectly and explained them very well. Kudos to you Mr Ample 🎉
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he loses his arm again later. But it does get replaced w a mechanical arm that's even better so yeah, it doesn't have the same effect
I love that Doctor Princess is neither a doctor nor a princess.
It's just her names.
Now I understand more this arc and especially breezy, i always had mixed feelings about it, i still dont understand it as much, but i liked the video, almost made me cry at the final minutes
Finally Breezy, been waiting for this one. Amazing vid!
I think having normal episodes like James 2 and Sad Face actually fit Finn's character well. He's been shown plenty of times to be the kinda guy to just repress his problems and pretend nothing's wrong
I love that we live in a world where video essays about adventure time exist
I didn't like it at first because it felt like it back tracked Finn's development but going back after the end of the show, I think it's really good. The only part I still can't get over is LSP assaulting Finn. Not just that but also it's never brought up again. Not once. She got away with no social consequences.
While I agree that PB at the end of Breezy represents love, I disagree on the form of love she represents.
To contextualise my view, when losing his arm and finding out his dad is a deadbeat Finn doesn't grieve his father, who he never knew, but the self-concepted idea of his father. He also grieves the loss of his pure-hearted optimism about people (as stated). Realising these two flaws in his identity and worldview, as well as causing the loss of his arm through a stubbornness to accept that, I believe he develops a deep sense of self-loathing. I think this explains his inability to find a more healthy path to healing and why the healing goop has no effect on him (not thinking he deserves to heal).
So then when Breezy sings about the love beyond reason it is an experience Finn is all too familiar with regarding PB ("this memory of feeling") and which he feels shameful for. However, Breezy sings of acceptance and forgiving herself as she kneels down, giving herself to her emotion rather than feeling shame for it. So when the figure of PB appears to Finn, she is both a mentor (from "my hero arise") and an embodiment of the feelings Finn empathises with in Breezy. A reflection of his own experience but with the addition of seeing Breezy rise above what Finn sees as a flaw in himself.
When PB tells Finn to let love be his guide, its a love for himself he must feel. To accept the "flaws" of his identity as entirely a part of himself, and to let his and Breezy's mutual experience with love guide a path to seeing them not simply as flaws but part of the branching :) network of his whole self. He cannot be the selfless hero without this worldview and identity.
I feel like the episodes make since, as a person who has experienced loosing something/someone that is important, you first wanna just get back to normal life and try to conform to the “norm” of life. At the end, it will catch up with you. This makes the sequence of episodes feel real for me. Especially with everyone trying to help as much as they can .
You should talk about the Three Buckets episode if you havent already. i think its one of the most interesting episodes, and its deffinetly my favorite.
Just noticed at 11:42 fin’s shadow still had both arms
Wonder if that was an animation error. It feels intentional though, perhaps it's a subtle way of showing that deep inside Finn is on his way to healing.
I would argue the episodes in between finn losing his arm and the tower are necessary. I always read them as being that stage of 'life goes on' when you're depressed. Everything is falling down around you, you feel empty as fuck, but you still gotta put your functioning face on and pretend that you're fine and you're good until you just can't anymore.
But then, i guess i could be projecting lol.
I think people take this arc out of the context of the whole series. Without Finn getting his arm back, we wouldn't have had Fern be a larger part of season 9 and 10. The Finn/Fern story arc is potentially my favorite despite it being sad overall. I was upset that his arm came back in such a short period of time, but overall I appreciate what they did after rewatching the series last year.
Saying Finn “let’s it happen” is a phrase that personally really bothers me. He didn’t say yes or consent verbally or nonverbally. That phrase historically has been used to minimize SA victims’ suffering and legitimacy. LSP straight up assaulted him. I feel like because Finn is a boy it gets played down A LOT. But SA is SA, no matter the gender. I appreciate the point you’re making about the overall episode and Finn dealing with depression, but I feel like that point could have been made without minimizing the rather obvious signs that the scene implies SA/being forced into a situation you’re not comfortable with.
I've already responded to a different comment with a similar sentiment, but just so it doesn't seem like I'm ignoring this -
That's not what I was trying to say, and I'm really sorry if it came out that way!
Obviously, as I say in the video, LSP is in the wrong. While I don't think that it's canon that LSP rapes Finn after the cut to black, even in the stuff that we do see, LSP is clearly and entirely the one at fault.
The point I was trying to make is that the point of the scene is that Finn doesn't fight back - not that this proves that he was somehow not a victim, as he definitely was, but just in a sense that it proves how bad his depression had gotten. This episode is about Finn, and thus the focus of the episode is his response to the actions of those around him - not the terrible things that LSP does here.
@@AmpleSamuel first, sexual assault isn’t always r@pe… sexual assault involves ANY unwanted sexual contact, including kissing (which we see implied with LSP’s lips approaching the screen after Finn basically saying “that’s it, we’re done.”) I never said it was r@pe, but I am saying there is NO doubt that it was SA based on factual definition of the phrase. Given this is a HEAVILY SA coded scene, when you said “he let it happen to him,” it was just poorly chosen wording that is dismissive of survivors of SA. I get that you didn’t mean it that way for the sake of your depression argument, but it’s worth noting for future use to not use victim-blaming language. I actually enjoyed your interpretation of the episode and thought you had some great points (I too think Breezy is an episode that explores deeper topics pretty well and that it was interesting for Finn’s character growth). But for the future please consider the connotations certain phrases will always have. You are a skilled analyst, so please just consider the ramifications of your words in future videos. That’s all I’m saying.
I definitely see where you’re coming from here. As you could probably tell, I danced around the topic a little bit in this video because I’m obviously not experienced/qualified/comfortable going deep into topics like this - especially when Finn’s mental health was the focus of the video - and while I definitely wasn’t trying to imply that LSP didn’t take advantage of Finn, I see that I should have used different language when getting to that point.
Thanks for taking time to write your feedback, it’s very appreciated.
@@haley_blue_bellas someone who's been sexually assaulted and gets your over arching point may I just say the guys intent was clear and took the time to respond to you personally so how bout you just settle down
@@AK907LSD25the reply is cordial and straight forward. Also a survivor - let these two people have an adult interaction. Crit is a normal part of life and this is incredibly straightforward and in good faith. Build up a tolerance for average conflicts.
i really enjoyed breezy. and in every instance of finn losing his arm even in his past lives, he regains it at some point before a massive change, a catalyst. his and ooo's history repeating themselves is a major theme of adventure time, as well as their respective acceptance of the past and eventual change for the better
tldr: breezy isn't about finns arm, but about his inability to cope and change
Finn is the most human character in any kid show, or most shows in general to date. He may be a hero, but it doesn't mean he's always right. He may be compassionate, but it isn't always in the right moments. He is a human character, with flaws as we all have. And self impressions of himself that hold him back, that we all put on ourselves as well. It is amazing to see him grow and grow with him.
There was nothing worse for me as a kid than hosting a big AT viewing binge party and this freaking episode was playing as the adults decided to sit in and watch with us. Im still morbidly embarrassed.
I always thought breezy was one of the BEST episodes.
i mean even if the loss should've been permanant, it's a good thing he loses it again
11:52 His gleeful face as he sends his father to next year 😂😂😂
I can't watch this, every time i see something adventure time related i have to cry for some reason
I honestly didn't know people disliked this episode, it's one of my favorites. Guess it depends on your life experience what you relate to.
Me and my bro thought that finn getting his arm back, is finn breaking the one arm curse that he and his past life shoko has suffered from.
Was so surprised people hated Breezy
Jesse Moynihan is responsible for some of my favorite episodes of Adventure Time and also Web Weirdos
if there was a hall of fame for video titles this would be in it
I love your content so much dude! we don't mind the length at all ! adventure time and Steven universe are some of my favorite shows and I love your thoughts on them these videos scratch a certain itch no like nothin else 😂
Definitely think the arm returning waa a great idea. The visual representation wasn't mandatory! Like you said he changed. It's obvious too. That's better than a nerfed hero so early into the story.
Next time, lmao
17:53 On boy that's relatable... 18:57 Recreating old emotions huh? 21:00 Nice! 22:36 Damn.
25:25 Damn that's poetic. 28:14 Wowser... 29:38 Ywah
Doesn’t he still lose his arm again after this
still shocked people overwhelmingly didn't like Finn losing his arm and the way he got it back by being like any other teen. Too close to home for some maybe lol?
In all seriousness, I always thought these episodes were so good for being honest and messy with characters while playing with how people don't make the right choices when they're not in the right headspace. All the while, that doesn't necessarily make you a good or bad person but human. Finn's known as "Finn the Human" after all.
As for the LSP stuff, I mean yeah it's pretty bad. But also, teens and young adults make dumb decisions all the time and regretting an intimate encounter is also an equally valid situation some people find themselves in. Shying away from that messiness just creates more shame and misconceptions over those situations,. All that does is create the perception that these things never happen at all or that there's' something inherently wrong with you for being someone who did a less-than-wise decision in your youth.
Ngl, at the time of release, the people who were so against these episodes conceptually were usually trying to play some sort of moral high ground (over fictional characters...) which just looked like deflection over probably being in similar situations. Or maybe it was just extreme innocence and lack of awareness as to what sort of story these episodes were going for, hard to tell.
Oh boy one of my favorites and at the same time how old is lsp?!!!
i think she's like 3 years older than finn
I loved breezy. I dislike LSP because of it though.. she most definitely did rape Finn and he didn't just let it happen(No offence, but bad choice of words..) And ik it can be hard to emotionally work through, but I feel that it's good to introduce these deep concepts to kids. I just remember myself being young and feeling so lost with no guidance on how to process difficult social experiences.
overall a great video and great analysis but i have to disagree with the sentiment that finn "allows himself to be taken advantage of." consent must also be genuine and enthusiastic to a degree, if someone is passive in response to being pushed for more kissing/sexual stuff then it's not consentual. Whether or not the 'making out' symbolised more, it doesn't really matter because either way it's still assault.
we both agree that what LSP did was shitty, I just wanted to point it out.
thanks for the video
I agree with you that Finn may not have explicitly stated his objection to what lSP was implied to have done, which isn't unrealistic given his behaviour throughout the episode, I think a more apt description would acknowledge that it was still in fact sexual assault- by coersion. I think it is really important to emphasis that sexual coersion is still sexual assault/r*pe as anythiong other than entusiastic consent is. The feelings/emotions/trauma it inspires is still the same. Which is why his reaction afterwards is so heavily focused on by viewers who make this argument- it's the most damning evidence of the difference between his interaction with LSP and with the others.
Thank you for such great vid.
I love sad face. “Too much artsy not enough fartsy” lives in my head rent free
I'm honestly just curious as to why Billy told Finn this information, it's not like Finn had any goal in finding his real parents or even needed Martin to begin with but yet he told him
Finn is ambidextrous, the loss of his hand was nothing more than that. He is adaptable and creative. He is strong and independent. He is chosen, but he also made himself through his choices. The same as everyone develops their personalities. Personalities plural because theres so many people with D.I.D who dont know because psychology isnt taught in most schools under collage-level.
Ok but he loses the arm again and this time it stays gone. Like even into distant lands and Fiona and cake. He got his arm back, but lost it again for realsies this time. I know you mentioned that also, but the way you kept saying "it wasn't permanent" felt a bit dishonest. I think it has more to do with the curse of the grass sword. The grass sword was cursed, that curse bonded with finn by flesh and spirit. That's why it reacted to him not wanting to lose Martin again. And the damn sword imbedded itself into his flesh and was also brought back by the goo. And this return of his arm leads to both the finn sword and Fernn. And the second loss of his arm. Becuase he was always going to lose that arm. That was always the end game.
I feel like i have to say that i reallllyyyy like this video and it's style
Inspired by Full Metal Alchemist perhaps? 👀 First thought on the thumbnail
(and the setting looks like the End of Evangelion, the red ocean and beach)
Hello I hope everyone is having a wonderful day
So Fern is the representation of Finn's love for himself grow
Maybe That's Also the reason uncle grandpa came into ooo!
Omg Dr Lovestrange reference!!
As a kid, I found Breezy to be weird and too-abstract for my kid brain, but when I rewatched the show at 20, I realized how good Finn's whole arc of losing his arm is. I have a really complicated and messed up relationship with my estranged father, and the way Finn goes through a similar thing I felt myself relating so hard, and reconsidering how I was approaching my grief. The depiction of depression was so incredibly realistic too, but put in a way where he's still "Finn," if that makes any sense. Anyway, I'm rambling, but Breezy is good
I think the arm regrow thing was him finally heal n be old self
I didnt know ppl disliked Finn regaining his arm back so much..
The LsP episode traumatized me as a kid lol
people need to separate their disgust of an action from a disgust of an episode. this was fantastic and It saddens me fans are so immature to be unable to handle it
I am surprised to know that people didn't like sad face. It's weird but I thought it was interesting. Then again I didn't know people didn't like Breezy either and I was fine with it so what do I know lol
I feel like I can relate to finn allowing lsp to take advantage of him.
What😭😭
13:39 I'm gonna sample this 😍
What I don't understand is in all those hints of what would happen, we see he has a prostedic. So why the heck were people mad?
I mean, both can be true. Breezy is a decent episode, and LSP belongs on a list.
"he just let it happen" -average breezy apologists
This sis the type of comment section i want
Doctor princess is not a princess she is a doctor