I play AP3, and I love it. I don't find it loud at all. I was excited about T200, but AP3 looks much classier to my eye, and the descent angle...I've been able to get my AP3 7 iron to spin back out of rough on greens. Definitely sticking with it. Good review.
I completely agree. I don't mind the sound at all. Maybe if you're a low handicapper who has played blades for a long time the sound might be an issue but they wouldn't play this club anyway. Testers need to know who the buyers are and trust me sound doesn't matter.
Thank you - very helpful. I have had the AP3 since they first came out - very happy with them. A couple of mates have "upgraded" to the T200 from AP3 - I don't think I need to do that.
There is very little in it between these performance wise though if anything the stopping power of AP3 makes it the winner as more important than gaining 3 yds IMO. I have AP3 in my long irons and have never been as accurate with my 5&6 irons, real shot savers. Example was at yesterday's August medal at my club, 175yds all uphill for my second shot and stuck it close with easy hit 5 iron. Get the 718's whilst they are still available would be my advice.
Think this is my first comment though I’ve been following you for a long time Love your content, and I love your buttery smooth swing! Thanks for doing this head to head! I’m a huge Titleist fan! I play the 718 AP2s. Trying to decide if this year is a year to upgrade or not. These videos certainly help!
I just had a Titleist iron fitting this week. The T200 really stood out for me. I only hit the AP3 indoors, and I thought they were very loud. Maybe I wasn’t hitting the middle of the face. With the T200 outdoors off grass, the feel was really good. I’m still playing 712 AP1, and I’m really torn which set to buy. I’m all standard Titleist for lie and length, and the AMT Black S300 shaft was the best fit. Thanks for this review. Like you stated in the test, take out the bad shots, and they performed very close to each other. 👍🏼
Bit annoyed with Titleist. Recently bought the AP3 as I had heard Titleist say the new T range was not replacing APs . Clear!y T200 is just the AP3 upgrade. However the AP3 does look much better than T200, although I like the softer feel and less clucky noise of T200
718 & 620 MB would be nice. I suspect the 718 has a smidge more forgiveness. I'd like to see the 718 & 620 CB comparison as well. There's no Ultra Players Model or Traditional Players Model but if there were, I'd put the 620's in that category. It's a rather simple classification. If I see an iron that is Beautiful, and that I know I've absolutely no business even considering it for myself....that is the criteria for this new class of iron that I've created.
Great video Michael. Thanks for the data. What was the golf ball used for those spin numbers? My guess with the lower launching is they have moved the CG higher on the 7 iron to give more of that preferred 31-33 yard peak height as they probably expect some of their tour pros (especially LPGA players) to be using this club in mixing sets and need peak heights to be similar to the TS100 in the cross over range. Similar to Callaway offering a Factory CF-19 combo set, I think Titleist should consider pre-bending the lofts of a mixed set of TS100 & TS200 with the cross over TS100 (PW to 7) and then TS200 (6, 5 and 4 if you want it)
Good review, Michael. Is the feel of the T200 much improved vs the clicky feel of AP3 with the new forged face? Is the feel closer to T100 / AP2? Or does it still feel like a cast club. And is the feel of the 8-PW the same as the long irons with Max Impact tech. Thank you.
I know ap2 and t100 are the same. Trying to gauge how improved the t200 forged face feels. Is it closer to ap2 or ap1. All forged or all cast. I have the ap3 and they are definitely clicky.
Danny Jovic I had the AP3 as well. At first as a full set, then as a blended set with the AP2. Eventually, I went full AP2. The switch over time was mostly because of a desire on my part to improve. The AP3 didn’t give me enough feedback to know how I hit it. I could rarely tell exactly where on the face I hit the ball without looking for impact marks on the face after a shot. I found them a bit clicky as well.
lol titleist jacks the lofts a degree, as if the lofts of the ap3s weren't already ridiculous enough. that extra degree is added because the numbers would probably be identical to the ap3s without it (or redundantly close to it), and would make it obvious that the tech being advertised is bogus. the industry is getting out of hand.
The T-200 is a low launch 6-iron. I really do not understand what Titleist is doing with the lofts. CB, MB weak lofts 35. T-100 is 34 degrees. Then the T-200, T-300 go way to another extreme. 7 iron 30 degrees. If someone wants to blend long irons, the factory will not do it. The lofts are not adjustable on a custom order. You would have to go to a shop & have them bent to the desired spec. Also I do not know for sure but Titleist will not warranty a club which has been altered by an outside agency or shop. I have 718 Cbs, great clubs but the launch could be lower. If I bend them stronger the offset is increased. In your review of the 620 MB, CBs the big change is reduced offset compared to 718 series. The shaft is right on the lower edge, just like a Mizuno iron.
thomas ross not to pick a fight but Titleist does adjust lofts on a custom order up to 2 degrees in either direction. I know this because I’ve had it done!
@@richardsdiaz1 I know lies will be done, but they the custom options do not list lofts, only +1, -1 on wedges. Maybe if you talk to someone in the custom dept., like I have it could be done but it is not a advertised custom option. By the way I have spoken to many of the custom service representatives. It took my 718 cb's, three returns attempts to get my clubs built correctly. Most of the assembly people travel over an hour to get to work. They cannot afford housing near Carlsbad, I think this is a big problem with the quality control. They do not pay well. Need to move assembly to Georgia or the Carolinas to get good people. Mizuno is in Georgia, My Mp-18 irons came exactly perfect in the specs.
thomas ross I have had custom orders from Mizuno not quite right either. There are tolerances, and one company isn’t better than another as far as getting them right. A good fitting shop would never let a customer out the door with their new custom clubs without checking and tweaking the lofts and lies to make sure they are exactly what was ordered.
Good review Mike although ,I got fed up with silly lofts on clubs and have gone to a more traditional muscle back iron with proper lofts ,stamping a 7 on a club with 30 degrees of loft is a joke and just to squeeze a bit more distance Titleist have strengthened t200 against Ap3 just to give it a bit more pop and say it goes more distance .Paying all that money for irons that you cant gap with your wedges is even more of a joke ,the irony is that making these game improvement irons longer ,they are screwing up peoples short game ,the same people that need the help in the first place .
would have been a much truer review giving more accurate results if you'd hit a few more shots and removed the pulled and pushed ones from the data, thanks anyway and useful info regarding feel and sound, looking to upgrade my 716 AP2s to something giving me more distance and forgiving performance, based on this I'll probably get fitted for the T200
T200 is a failed release. AP3 launch higher, spin higher, land softer....why? Higher lofts. Titleist lowered the lofts without any effective tech to get the ball higher. Perfect example of loft jacking.
A little Birdie told me that the -1° was done to offset the forged face of the T200, but I have a sneaking suspicion that that Little Birdie is full of §hit?
You do a great job but your video 'tins' are looking a bit like click bait lately. Most of us come here because you don't do that stuff. If I hadn't watched your videos before I'd might avoid them because of the looks of the thumb nail now.
What are you talking about? He said the only reason to switch from AP3's to the T200's would be if appearance or acoustics are important enough to you. That's outlandish bias??? It's quite obvious who the biased one is here, and it has nothing to do with Mike & Titleist.
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I play AP3, and I love it. I don't find it loud at all. I was excited about T200, but AP3 looks much classier to my eye, and the descent angle...I've been able to get my AP3 7 iron to spin back out of rough on greens. Definitely sticking with it. Good review.
I completely agree. I don't mind the sound at all. Maybe if you're a low handicapper who has played blades for a long time the sound might be an issue but they wouldn't play this club anyway. Testers need to know who the buyers are and trust me sound doesn't matter.
The best thing about T200 release is that it meant I could pick up a brand new set of AP3s this afternoon for 25% off 👍👍👍
where did you get them with that discount?
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That’s what I am doing tomorrow
Thank you - very helpful. I have had the AP3 since they first came out - very happy with them. A couple of mates have "upgraded" to the T200 from AP3 - I don't think I need to do that.
There is very little in it between these performance wise though if anything the stopping power of AP3 makes it the winner as more important than gaining 3 yds IMO. I have AP3 in my long irons and have never been as accurate with my 5&6 irons, real shot savers. Example was at yesterday's August medal at my club, 175yds all uphill for my second shot and stuck it close with easy hit 5 iron. Get the 718's whilst they are still available would be my advice.
If I am not mistaken the AP3 was not forged..... there has to be a better feel with the T200
Think this is my first comment though I’ve been following you for a long time
Love your content, and I love your buttery smooth swing!
Thanks for doing this head to head! I’m a huge Titleist fan! I play the 718 AP2s. Trying to decide if this year is a year to upgrade or not. These videos certainly help!
Out of bounds posts... and a glove.
👏👏 Hahaha!!!
I'll continue watching the video now.
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I just had a Titleist iron fitting this week. The T200 really stood out for me. I only hit the AP3 indoors, and I thought they were very loud. Maybe I wasn’t hitting the middle of the face. With the T200 outdoors off grass, the feel was really good. I’m still playing 712 AP1, and I’m really torn which set to buy. I’m all standard Titleist for lie and length, and the AMT Black S300 shaft was the best fit.
Thanks for this review. Like you stated in the test, take out the bad shots, and they performed very close to each other. 👍🏼
Just cant get onboard with the t200 looks. Love the ap3
Hater
I still prefer the look of the ap3. Think the technology is going around in circles as brands steal ideas off each other. 👍
0 comments :) ... to me it looks like the AP3 is the upgrade to the T200 !!!! Great comparison as usual :)
U high
Bit annoyed with Titleist. Recently bought the AP3 as I had heard Titleist say the new T range was not replacing APs . Clear!y T200 is just the AP3 upgrade. However the AP3 does look much better than T200, although I like the softer feel and less clucky noise of T200
Alan Bryce titliest takin the Taylor made approach.....just pump the market full of product.....take over by numbers
Thank you! Not sure if you did this from my other video comments, but hopefully you will do ap2 v. T100 and would love to see 718 mb v 620 mb
Brandon ... why are you wearing a suit and tie ?
718 & 620 MB would be nice. I suspect the 718 has a smidge more forgiveness. I'd like to see the 718 & 620 CB comparison as well.
There's no Ultra Players Model or Traditional Players Model but if there were, I'd put the 620's in that category. It's a rather simple classification. If I see an iron that is Beautiful, and that I know I've absolutely no business even considering it for myself....that is the criteria for this new class of iron that I've created.
Great video Michael. Thanks for the data. What was the golf ball used for those spin numbers? My guess with the lower launching is they have moved the CG higher on the 7 iron to give more of that preferred 31-33 yard peak height as they probably expect some of their tour pros (especially LPGA players) to be using this club in mixing sets and need peak heights to be similar to the TS100 in the cross over range. Similar to Callaway offering a Factory CF-19 combo set, I think Titleist should consider pre-bending the lofts of a mixed set of TS100 & TS200 with the cross over TS100 (PW to 7) and then TS200 (6, 5 and 4 if you want it)
Love my AP3's
Does it feel better or is it just quieter because the ap3 is like hitting with a brick compared to my forged clubs
Good review, Michael. Is the feel of the T200 much improved vs the clicky feel of AP3 with the new forged face? Is the feel closer to T100 / AP2? Or does it still feel like a cast club. And is the feel of the 8-PW the same as the long irons with Max Impact tech. Thank you.
Danny Jovic T100 is closer in design to AP2. Not AP3!
I’d like to know the answer to your question too, though!
I know ap2 and t100 are the same. Trying to gauge how improved the t200 forged face feels. Is it closer to ap2 or ap1. All forged or all cast. I have the ap3 and they are definitely clicky.
Danny Jovic I had the AP3 as well. At first as a full set, then as a blended set with the AP2. Eventually, I went full AP2.
The switch over time was mostly because of a desire on my part to improve. The AP3 didn’t give me enough feedback to know how I hit it. I could rarely tell exactly where on the face I hit the ball without looking for impact marks on the face after a shot.
I found them a bit clicky as well.
I didn't think either one of these had any forge in them. Which one does and where?
Nice video and comparison
Great vid as always. I love the look of the T200. Wasn't a fan of the 718 AP3... but I'll be sticking with my 718 AP2 for the foreseeable future 😁
I really don't see a "true" reason to make a switch to the T200. Love my AP3's. Good review though.
Newman Exactly my thought. Not paying $1,400 for a set with no 3i just for a little better acoustics.
AP3 out performed T200 in this review.
lol titleist jacks the lofts a degree, as if the lofts of the ap3s weren't already ridiculous enough.
that extra degree is added because the numbers would probably be identical to the ap3s without it (or redundantly close to it), and would make it obvious that the tech being advertised is bogus.
the industry is getting out of hand.
The big question with most irons now is do they cost under £1k for 4-PW?!
No iron by any major company cost under 1,000 now lol
The T-200 is a low launch 6-iron. I really do not understand what Titleist is doing with the lofts. CB, MB weak lofts 35. T-100 is 34 degrees. Then the T-200, T-300 go way to another extreme. 7 iron 30 degrees. If someone wants to blend long irons, the factory will not do it. The lofts are not adjustable on a custom order. You would have to go to a shop & have them bent to the desired spec. Also I do not know for sure but Titleist will not warranty a club which has been altered by an outside agency or shop. I have 718 Cbs, great clubs but the launch could be lower. If I bend them stronger the offset is increased. In your review of the 620 MB, CBs the big change is reduced offset compared to 718 series. The shaft is right on the lower edge, just like a Mizuno iron.
thomas ross not to pick a fight but Titleist does adjust lofts on a custom order up to 2 degrees in either direction. I know this because I’ve had it done!
@@richardsdiaz1 I know lies will be done, but they the custom options do not list lofts, only +1, -1 on wedges. Maybe if you talk to someone in the custom dept., like I have it could be done but it is not a advertised custom option. By the way I have spoken to many of the custom service representatives. It took my 718 cb's, three returns attempts to get my clubs built correctly. Most of the assembly people travel over an hour to get to work. They cannot afford housing near Carlsbad, I think this is a big problem with the quality control. They do not pay well. Need to move assembly to Georgia or the Carolinas to get good people. Mizuno is in Georgia, My Mp-18 irons came exactly perfect in the specs.
thomas ross I have had custom orders from Mizuno not quite right either. There are tolerances, and one company isn’t better than another as far as getting them right. A good fitting shop would never let a customer out the door with their new custom clubs without checking and tweaking the lofts and lies to make sure they are exactly what was ordered.
Good review Mike although ,I got fed up with silly lofts on clubs and have gone to a more traditional muscle back iron with proper lofts ,stamping a 7 on a club with 30 degrees of loft is a joke and just to squeeze a bit more distance Titleist have strengthened t200 against Ap3 just to give it a bit more pop and say it goes more distance .Paying all that money for irons that you cant gap with your wedges is even more of a joke ,the irony is that making these game improvement irons longer ,they are screwing up peoples short game ,the same people that need the help in the first place .
Why would sound matter if the clubs do everything you need them to do? People can't be that stuck up can they?
would have been a much truer review giving more accurate results if you'd hit a few more shots and removed the pulled and pushed ones from the data, thanks anyway and useful info regarding feel and sound, looking to upgrade my 716 AP2s to something giving me more distance and forgiving performance, based on this I'll probably get fitted for the T200
Good
Aaaaahhhhh Titleist irons with TaylorMade balls? Was that intentional? ;-)
I was wondering when someone was going to point out that blasphemous bit of irony! Good Eye! 👍
Ap3 is much nicer
T200 is a failed release.
AP3 launch higher, spin higher, land softer....why? Higher lofts. Titleist lowered the lofts without any effective tech to get the ball higher. Perfect example of loft jacking.
A little Birdie told me that the -1° was done to offset the forged face of the T200, but I have a sneaking suspicion that that Little Birdie is full of §hit?
You do a great job but your video 'tins' are looking a bit like click bait lately. Most of us come here because you don't do that stuff. If I hadn't watched your videos before I'd might avoid them because of the looks of the thumb nail now.
Descent angle on T200 is terrible.
Ridiculous
AP3 blows the t200 out of the water on looks and performance. Mike just sucks off all the new products released by Titleist. Bias...very much
What are you talking about? He said the only reason to switch from AP3's to the T200's would be if appearance or acoustics are important enough to you. That's outlandish bias??? It's quite obvious who the biased one is here, and it has nothing to do with Mike & Titleist.
Rude. Show some respect.
You make no sense. You have no clear answers