Groomed by Camp Counselor
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2024
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In this deeply personal video, Logan, a courageous young individual, shares his journey of overcoming the trauma of being groomed by his camp counselor. Grooming is a manipulative process where an abuser builds a relationship with a child or adolescent, often for harmful purposes.
If you or someone you know has experienced grooming or abuse, know that there is help and support available. Please consider reaching out to a trusted adult, counselor, or contacting organizations for assistance.
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The fact he didn’t link his socials but an amazon wishlist for his students says a lot about his character
Such a beautiful soul 🥹
❤
I went to Uni with him and can confirm he is an extremely kind and selfless person
hes a sweet heart bruh seriously
this exactly. what a wonderful human
“The reason I made a Twitter was because I wanted to follow Snooki” is the realest statement Ive heard all week
Exactly, kids need to be taught “Adults should not tell you to keep secrets.” So glad you exposed that sicko.
This all day 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I agree. But some “teachers” and whole schools tell that to children. Keep your kids out of public schools.
@@trevormichael4906Just a reminder: most cases of abuse happen at home or with someone the victim knows personally. Often family. So no, let's not take away school. Let's change the laws, so that these crimes can be punished accordingly and those monsters never get to set foot in close proximity of children again.
he has an amazing sense of humor. love that he now works with children and is an actual good role model unlike the adults he grew up around
Hello queen is the best reaction I've ever heard for one of the cats lol
Right
when was this
@@shelbylee9651in the beginning 🤍
@@shelbylee9651 First 10 seconds of the interview
Cat's are here to be worshipped by the human peasants. 🐈⬛👑🥹
He was probably so triggered by the 2 kids talking to the other counselors about the gift partially because he thought they’d be telling the counselors something they’d identify as inappropriate and he was terrified
Oh my goodness. I was also groomed by my camp counselor. I really had to click on this video as soon as i saw this, as I still struggle to cope with it. Thank you for sharing this story.
My brother too 😢
I’m so, so sorry that happened to you. I hope as time goes forward it gets easier for you and for others with similar experiences. I could never imagine and literally nobody deserves that. Ever.
i hope you are healing🫶much love
I grew up with immigrant parents who never allowed me to be alone with other adults, not even family members or cousins. I struggle to understand how some fully grown adult parents feel comfortable letting their kids venture into the wilderness with random adults. Parents need to learn how to keep their kids safe, these thing can’t keep happening.
It’s the Christian aspect. Christians basically believe that all Christians are good and safe. I grew up in it, I know it well. Thankfully I’ve deconstructed and have strict rules for my children.
The camp counselor groomer is nothing new in the Christian community.
Your parents are smart. Unfortunately, it only takes one untrustworthy adult to mess up a child's life.
You can not shield children from everything unfortunately. It's best to teach what to do rather than shield. Camping is a great experience and not all families are able to teach it themselves. If they can great and typically they would. We should be looking toward ppl who groom rather than blaming parents
@@jinx724True. I do think teaching your kids warning signs and things that aren’t normal is very important but groomers do it so slyly sometimes it can be hard to even tell. It’s so sad.
@macymiller3417 yeah I absolutely can be so hard. I'm all for teaching warning signs. I'm very big on it but I refuse to make my children miss out on experiences because of fear. Shielded children go wild when they finally get freedom and it's sad
"hey there pooper" oh lord
Really unsure why hes giving the other adults a pass in this situation, but im happy she called it out. They assisted in cultivating that environment, and i think this gentleman is giving them the benefit of doubt by taking everything they have told him at face value. I hope every child involved finds healing from this.
My biggest mantra is “IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING!”.
I don’t care who you are, where you are, who you’re with, and when a situation occurs- say something always, especially with children involved!
Predators intentionally target single mothers who constantly work and are stretched thin. It should be required for parents to
1. Listen to your children
2. Teach your children how to articulate and identify uncomfortable situations, emotions, and touches.
100%
Listening to your children is only possible when they speak up. Unfortunately my abuser made sure on multiple fronts that I wouldn't speak up. Only explained everything to my mom once I was an adult
@@carlinkag2525 yes, you are absolutely correct. I’m so sorry that happened to you, I also didn’t tell anybody- it was a cousin- and I never said anything to anybody except my husband a few months ago. My mom still doesn’t know and I won’t ever tell her.
As someone with a 13 year old son this is terrifying
Teaching your kids right from wrong and to speak up is very important. Also monitoring who is messaging them at that age may be pretty smart.
You don’t want to snoop I get that but at the same time people those ages don’t know. So many kids don’t understand whats right and wrong.
Just be vigilant you got this!
As long as you provide a safe space for your kids to talk to you, the likelihood of this happening is less
just try to make sure he knows he can talk to you if theres a problem
@@pogo_lemonand you can’t just SAY to your kids that they can tell you anything. you have to SHOW that your reaction will be positive. otherwise they will not come to you
Best advice, tell your son, NEVER listen when an adult makes you uncomfy and says ‘’ lets keep it a secret ‘’
The grip that Facebook messenger had on groomers in the 2010s is insane
I worked at the main camp (not the wilderness program) that Logan is referring to, and having met Steve briefly, can confirm he always gave me the creeps. So glad Logan was able to speak out and let others in about who Steve really is. I hope Logan and the others who were impacted are finding healing. ♥️
How did someone so vile stick around in that church??
@@drakeh2344you'd be VERY surprised to know how many people in religious places are straight up pedos.
what is the camp called?
GOOSEBUMPS when Logan successfully had him removed from the bus driving job!!!! The way the system may have actually worked for him makes me so happy.
I can’t imagine the betrayal he felt after realizing the true intentions of that man. Ugh.
girl get that coin but please don't sponsor betterhelp, it's a shitty platform and so many people are exposing these so called 'therapists'
She knows she sees the comments she just doesn’t care bc she’s getting paid trust me she knows the scandal
How do you want her to get paid?
@@kekemarie-rn8ccand don’t even think about replying because trust me you don’t want to open a can of worms with me girl….
i think she has a contract with them she cant break yet
@@kekemarie-rn8cc i think she has a contract with them she cant break yet, dont assume the worst
hey there PISSER 🤣🤣💀💀💀 the way I cackled out loud!
I laughed sooo hard 😂
Me too hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
me too omg
Same 🤣🤣
Watching this has helped me realize how problematic my relationship with one of my high school teachers was and how I had been groomed for years by him. As a kid you just never really connect the dots but looking back oh god it’s terrifying
Wow! He is a great story teller! He really paints a picture of what is happening and what everyone was thinking at that age. It shows you how these things can happen.
Why thank youu Ashley (this is my secret account babe)
My parents would never allow sleepovers and I never understood why, even when I asked them they would just say “cause we said so.” Now tht I’m older I fully get it.
One of my favorite guests you’ve had! Also a GREAT example of not realizing something is abuse or inappropriate until later in life, many people act as if that’s just crazy and impossible but it’s so common unfortunately.
No matter what the messages say, he should neverrrr have been sending you messages to begin with. Right there he should be fired
Logan was a top tier guest! Such an amazing storyteller. All the best to him!
The part that blows my mind is the messages about “having a drinking problem”. Thinking it through, I doubt he was even drinking. He was just starting to test boundaries to see the reaction to him doing something he “wasn’t meant to”, and then was preemptively making excuses for inappropriate behaviour. I.e. I’m going to start saying/doing some fucked up stuff, but “it’s just the alcohol”…
It strikes me as being extremely premeditated and predatory.
Loved this one but girl you gotta dump better help 😭
Ugh fr 😭
What's wrong with better help
@@lillypadsisgay it’s a scam. Also it’s Israeli, and it’s being boycotted now because the Israeli government promotes better help.
YEP..
from what ive heard creators are usually bound to a contract so i dont know if she can /:
This had to be one of my favourite guests and favourite episode, but it was very disappointing to see the betterhelp sponsorship. Extremely infuriating how successful RUclipsrs can still work with them
yessss i was thinking the exact same about better help!
if i remember correctly, i believe better help ended up completely rebranding. i believe there’s a new head to their company and it’s supposed to be less shitty now!
@@mbaicolunfortunately, they’re still partaking in the same harmful business practices even under new management
As someone who was groomed all through highschool by my teacher / coach, thank you for sharing your story Logan and thank you Dev for giving Logan a platform to share this story. This is something we need to talk about more, especially with the young people in our lives ❤
Bro is casually so funny and well adjusted, I'm so proud of him and I'm so happy he's doing such important work
Thank you babe (this is my secret account)
When he was describing Steve I immediately thought of Larry Nassar from USAG…. Unreal how someone can do this to such little, pure and innocent kids 😢
When he describes steve it actually reminds me of myself haha I’m probably not as creepy tho… (probably)
Bump the super-bowl…this is more entertaining😂😂
Word . I met a woman when I was working overseas, who worked with an organization to rescue women from sexual trafficking, and the Olympics in the Super Bowl are the biggest occasions for this.
I don’t think I’ve ever audibly gasped so much from watching a video
I’m giving birth in 3 months and I am going to be SO STRICT on where my daughter goes and who she is with, and this is is exactly why parents need to be more strict on who there kids stay with
Congrats on your baby! I’ve got a 4 year old son and he doesn’t leave my sight. You can’t trust anybody, even your own family these days
Congrats, hope you are both healthy and safe! Just one note, keep in mind that the stricter the parent, the sneakier the kid. Yes of course rules are important, but we need to be sure they have a space to grow and also they are comfortable telling us serious things, that they are not afraid to speak.
@@nocterniaobscura yes my mom was really open and honest with me which helped. showing them unconditional love is the biggest secret to being there and giving them trust
He’s a hero, his coming forward has definitely saved other children & telling his story is so empowering! esp to boys and young men who are told they should never say no or feel uncomfortable, etc. thank you!
A hero for sure!! not only for standing up for himself and becoming resilient through the experience but now standing up for other kids that need it!
Dev was so right to call out the other adults. He needs to be held accountable!
Steve needs to be brought to justice
STEEEEEVE……. ALLEN……….. STEEEEVEEEE….ALLIN….. hahahaha
Have you seen that video lol
I’ve never seen her get so mad in this podcast I’m living for it 😭😭
that bucket hat story really reminded me of my insanely insecure high school boyfriend. he once refused to get on an amusement park ride because the year before I had spoken to some random guy and he was still so triggered about it... I just told the guy, who had left his phone in his pocket on a water ride, to put the phone in rice 😐
I appreciate you doubling down on saying that people should step in when they see something - especially for children 💛
I'm 32 and I've worked with kids for four years - advice to young people reading and parents - never "full" hug an adult, if you do and the adult taps you or backs away it's not a slight to you, it's setting a boundary. never ever follow your teachers on social media or any other adults in your life (except your primary guardian). if an adult tries to add you on social media report their account. never post photos with any of your school or towns logos. it's best practice to keep your office or room open- if a kid needs to have a private Convo still leave the door ajar. if you ever suspect abuse of any kind you are required by law to report it- that's any adult meaning 18+ mist report any type of abuse or harassment. I could keep going, but at least where I live we have to take multiple courses every year about child abuse. I highly recommend requesting them from your local school board if you're a parent. if anyone needs any resources, I'll do my best to point you in the right direction. ❤ thank you for sharing your story
I agree with all of your advice apart from if an adult tries to add a child on social media, I think they should tell a parent/guardian instead.
I really think telling a child to report every adult who requests to follow them is unwise. It is not even against the rules of most social media, so which do you think tuey should report them under? Those false reports take up resources to identify the actual child predators. Plus the child might not have their age shown, so the adult didn't know. The adult may be a relative or family friend, or even just in a fandom the child happens to be in and mean no harm. The other boanket rules about not dosclosing information is good but reporting somone for the mere attempt at contact is overboard and ill-advised.
There is so much nuance and communicating with parents/guardian is always best. The child should also find different rules their family follows. For example my newphew (a child) and I (an adult) are friends on facebook, his parents encouraged it to keep in touch with family.
I also think it is good to focus on "stranger danger" and to get kids to understand that just because they chat with somone a lot, or watch their content, does bot mean they are a friend or somone they can trust, for example I know quite a few children who were predated upon by famouse minecraft youtubers.
@@NotAnotherKuromi I didn't say if they follow an adult on socials they should have to tell their parents * unless it is a stranger or they're not sure (opening a dialogue). The parents can help them learn who is okay to follow and who not to. every parent is different. I'm of the mind to err on the strict side. I'm saying if you're a kid and a teacher or some adult you met a couple times tries to request you or send you "private messages" then you should report the account. There is 0 reason I should request any of the kids I work with socials. it's just not appropriate and i let them know it's not appropriate. however I understand groups and following creators, but the private Dms get into very grey territory. I personally don't think a child can fully grasp that a RUclipsr isn't actually their friend. they may value their audience and chat, but you really just don't know 🤷🏼♀️ there are a lot of nuances this is just my advice from what I've seen mainly for kids in middles school who are the most vulnerable. high school kids have gained some emotional maturity. levels are also important so, for example you can let your kid follow family only in MS and then let them add friends/creators is HS with some healthy boundaries and rules.
I will never forget my first 2 week overnight catholic camp experience. I found out what self harm was at the age of 12 due to it being shown to me as a child at camp. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
Just started watching but I love him ❤️ he speaks so well
Logan, you did such a great job telling this story. I appreciate you for bringing attention to this topic and sharing how this has effected you. I’m sorry for what you’ve been through and grateful that now you’re helping make sure other kids don’t go through the same thing
Omfg my JAW DROPPETH ON THE FLOOR from his response to you coming out. 😮 the AUDACITY
I absolutely love this podcast! I’m so sorry your current guest experienced this, it is all too common. I’m glad he took this experience and turned it around and became a counselor for the better! ♥️
i was a victim of grooming and CSA as a teenager, thank you for being the voice that I’m too afraid to be.
As someone who's gone through trauma and talked to my friends about both of our traumas, I can't underestimate how great laughter is for healing. Seriously, because once you get perspectives after you realize you were a complete and total victim of some sick people, you've done the work, you have to laugh about how ridiculous it was. Glad to see you're at that point Logan, and sharing your story spreads not only awareness but shows your resilience and your dedication to being a true hero to kids that actually need it
Logan, thank you so much for not just sharing your story, but also reflecting on it in such an insightful and beautiful way ❤Bye, Steve!
It breaks my heart that we will never know what happened to that one kid out of the 4 friends and one day disappeared.
Finally a watchable episode! This guy is great. Love his story telling style. So happy he’s out there making changes in the world working with youth.
Thank you so much for sharing Logan & having the bravery to step forward. Your actions saved future victims. Rooting for you in life!
Logan, thank you for bravely sharing your story. Your courage in speaking out against grooming is truly inspiring. You are not alone, and your strength will undoubtedly help others facing similar challenges
I’m so glad that this guest went into education as a career, where he can really do some good and teach his kids the earning signs of these predators. A really thought-provoking episode. Thank you
Logan is a hero. His persistence in fighting for justice and safety for all the kids in the school system, church, and camp will have a lifelong positive impact on each of those kids, even if they don't know it. As someone who tried to report abuse in the public school system and was silenced and ostracized because of it, thank you for never giving up and for sharing your story. ❤
Rule 1-No religious summer camps for kids-never give access to these guys!!
I’m a girl and for us religious camps we’re literally a week long of pre teens trying to make out with pre teens
It can happened in non religion camp too, its happens everywhere.
fully agree that the other councillors should be held accountable- the only reason this happened was because it was allowed. it’s good they regret it now but i hope they’ve learned from this.
Very refreshing episode, I love this guest. I hope he is well 🤍
This guy is so funny and animated & told his story so well. Excellent episode 👏🏽
Logan, you’re the man for coming on the cast and opening up to all of us! All stories are diff (and the last two guests were a bit out there 😢) but you are awesome to listen too! Keep your head up and thanks for sharing!!
It's so sad that there are so many examples of this and that go unnoticed for far too long
So proud of you for sharing this Logan!!
His maturity, kindness, self control, and ability to process and protect others >>>>
28:40 secrets vs surprises is a very important thing to teach kids. A secret can be bad, but a surprise is good. A surprise is kept from someone for a little bit, but is not a secret, nothing bad will happen if you tell someone.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 kudos to this guest, what an important topic that doesn’t get the attention it deserves. So happy he is working with middle schoolers, such a tough age and support is so important!!!
Something clicked in my mind when he said “six50”, and I realized that I know Steve and actually follow him on instagram. I went to the “local mega church” he talks about, and was aware of Steve as the teen guys youth group leader, and I was friends with a lot of those guys. I never spoke to him 1 on 1 but I saw him every Sunday. Absolutely wild.
WHAT
i’m so sorry for what happened to logan :( i loved the energy between him and dev i would love to hear more about him
Relax u know he’s gay right ? And she’s female…?
@@mendaciousreality8459 i think i gathered that from the video? they can still have good energy in a conversation lmao weirdo
@@MariaNoonan123 ohhhh you think you gathered thaaat ?? Ohhhh okaaaay you thought that ?? Sorry I didn’t realise that you thought you had gathered that… that was sarcastic btw so watch what you say from now on yea ? Because you never know who your msging and who I might know okay… ? Yeaa thought so ;)
@@MariaNoonan123 because I know for a fact you had no idea of that because of what you said okay ?? So no point going on with it, u made a mistake and that’s that…. It’s okay but just admit it.
This is an excellent interview. Thanks to both of you. It really shows how grooming works.
this series is so important to give a platform to these voices!
I was just saying the other day how the time in my life where I was MOST flirted with by 30+ year old men was when I was a teen…. I’m 26 now and get entirely different attention from men… makes you wanna throw up…
This was such a good episode. Thank you Logan. Thank you for sharing this experience that shows me a perspective I’ve never had before
As someone who was groomed as a teen I’m so proud of Logan and happy he has done so much to protect kids!
I really appreciate this person sharing their story. Thank you for being so vulnerable and informative. You will help a lot of people through sharing this and I hope it saves others from going through the same thing ❤️
I always tell my campers if something feels wrong trust your gut. Boundaries are so important to establish with kids you work with! It’s astonishing that people still think to this day that kids don’t remember things that happened to them. That they won’t understand. They may not at the time necessarily but they will eventually
He most definitely saved god knows how many children
Your damn right “God knows” considering god’s responsible for every child that’s ever been molested….
And for the kids saying “ well what if it’s family “ EVEN IF ITS FAMILY
The most common offenders ARE family 🤷
Such a great speaker and I’m so proud of how far he has come 🥹
Why thank you
Woww we all went here, attending camp with Logan, and remember this so well. Steve was wild! He attracted everyone and was a leader.
Such a strong guy! I really liked this guest, I hope he can work out all the trauma he has been left with and Steve can rot :)
I love how he told his story such a good story teller ❤
Babeeee the head counselor was "writing it up" when a grown man had children on his lap?!? STOP GIVING THE HEAD COUNSELOR A PASS. This person was complicit. You at 26 KNOW this behavior is unacceptable. Why are you giving this person a pass? You would just write down poor behavior and not immediately step in..? Give it a few more years of growing and maturing, and i think youll have a different perceptive on this situation.
I’m 23 and fully understand how wrong this is but we also need to realize this man was truly traumatized by these events and maybe doesn’t want to believe everyone is horrible.
as someone who saw it firsthand the head counselor did physically/verbally intervene whenever they were present. it was the culture of the camp that allowed that counselor to remain employed there despite the numerous reports. Logan recounts himself that the head counselor got so fed up they went to the washington post regarding staff ignoring/covering up the perverse counselor’s behavior.
Thanks for raising awareness
this guy is a great storyteller. loved the chemistry and humour between u two! obviously this is a serious and gross situation but this episode was definitely entertaining! wishing u both the best :)
He’s such a great storyteller. Soo good, great job
This episode is so important and powerful!!
❤Logan thank you for being so strong and sharing your story❤ i hope this will help more people become more vigilante and protecting other kids or anyone in these types of situations.
Great job Logan, my favorite ep in quite a while :) Hope you're doing well.
Logan I really enjoyed your story thank you for sharing. I think it would be a great idea that at an early age schools should talk about these things to educate and make them aware .great job 👌👍
This guest was great - they have such a kind soul 🤍
Why thank youu babe
I was groomed by a person three years older than me in eighth grade. i couldn't tell my friends or my family, and it was really really traumatic. it does happen. i just want those middle schoolers to understand that this is a real thing and it can happen to you.
as someone who went to and worked at a christian camp this hits home, thank you for sharing your story.
I love your podcast!! These stories are so interesting, thank you for sharing 💖
The way he single handedly made sure that this weirdo was removed from those positions where he had the opportunity to be around kids is seriously empowering ❤️
the description of steve is so eerily similar to this one guy who taught at a camp i went to. he was enthusiastic, he was old so he knew everything, and everyone hyped him up as the best.
he went to jail after we visited …
Camp sonshine! Silver spring maryland. Specifically, he was the wilderness camp leader
When explaining things to kids and they don’t understand the weight of it, I ask them to think about all the absurd things they believed when they were five years old, and how much smarter they are now. It’s the same thing with being grown. There are some things you simply can’t wrap your head around yet, so its even more important to be aware of the dangers
The other camp counselors are definitely at fault as well. They may be great people and all but they let this strange behavior and foul language go on for wayyyy too long. One mess up, Steve could have gotten away with a warning. But the second time, he should have been removed. Absolutely unacceptable that so many people let this go on.
This is insane. That’s the point of the pod. Thank you
loved this guest, so kind and funny! they became the person they didn’t have in childhood
I kept refreshing waiting for your video omg
This reminds me of the creepy older councilors at the boys and girls club he was 30 and had a secret handshake and would always hang out with one 13 year old girl that was his “best friend”
Such an amazing story teller. Omg. I laughed out loud and i gasped in horror
16:58 steve and the co councilmen
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