Border Agents Brutalize a 75-Year-Old Vietnam Vet
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
- A Vietnam vet and former prison guard, Larry Kirschenman thought he had the right to ask what probable cause U.S. border agents had to search his vehicle. Larry wound up in the hospital with serious injuries after asking an innocent question. He attempted to file a complaint with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) about the incident, but has never gotten an answer.
Excessive use of force by U.S. border agents has also led to an unacceptable loss of human life. At least 27 people have died since January 2010 as a result of use of force by CBP agents. This has included 7 minors under twenty-one, 9 U.S. citizens, and six individuals who were standing in Mexico when fatally shot. Most of the victims were Latinos.
Yet even in these cases, CBP has been unresponsive to public demands for transparency and accountability. The agency has never made public the results of any investigations into these deaths, not even to the families of the victims, nor any disciplinary measures that may have been taken against the agents involved.
In May of 2012, members of Congress began looking into CBP's response to complaints, and found that the agency lacked a "streamlined, integrated complaint process... that represents a serious barrier to building a culture of accountability within CBP."
Congress asked the Office of Inspector General and the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), an independent policy research organization, to evaluate CBP's use of force policies and come up with recommendations. The agency has refused to release the PERF report, but the Los Angeles Times obtained a leaked copy. Among the disturbing conclusions described in the Times articles, PERF found that agents intentionally provoked confrontations to justify the use of force.
The ACLU and other rights organizations are calling on CBP to establish a robust investigation and complaint process for holding CBP agents accountable for any abuses.
Join us in taking action:
www.aclu.org/s...
Transcript:
Larry Kirschenman speaking: I've been in combat and I've never been hurt that bad in my life. They've got my wrists, handcuffed wrists up behind my back and they are pushing them up very hard. They are not trying to restrain me, they are trying to hurt me. Ever since then I'm beginning to realize our country is not nearly as free and democratic like we might think.
For about eight years I've been going back and forth across the border to get haircuts or dental work or sometimes just to go for lunch. I went over to Mexico on the 27th of March 2013. When I came back at approximately 5:00 in afternoon, the first officer said, "Follow me into secondary." That's where they searched vehicles for contraband or whatever. So I followed him there. The officer told me, "Get out of the vehicle." And he was using a very gruff angry tone of voice, and he said, "Turn around and put your hands on the truck, I want to search you."
And I turned about halfway, and I said, "Officer, I really don't know the rules in here, but don't you need some probable cause to search me." "No, I don't." And he grabbed me in an arm lock and I work in a prison, same techniques, and bent my wrist back, and then he picked me up by the seat of my pants and the handcuffs and slammed my head into the floor.
Now I'm bleeding, I had wound ... peeled a piece of meat off the top of my head about as big as an egg. I'm handcuffed and chained to a bench and, man, the pain was really hitting my chest, and I said, "I need to go to an emergency room, I think I'm having a heart attack." Finally, they called an ambulance. The American doctor, he says, "My God, I don't care what you did, Mr. Kirschenman, you were handcuffed behind your back, there is four or five young men around you, you are in a secure facility, there is actually no justification for doing these things to you. I'm calling the police." And he did, and then the police made a report, took then pictures, they are evidence now.
I went down there the next day to file a complaint. And they say, "Oh, we can't take it now." That's not right, that's totally wrong. They are supposed to take your complaints immediately. I was angry. And I felt that I have a right to protest. And the only thing I could think of was something like this drive back and forth through that gate until someone got tired of it and decided they would talk to me about it, but it's apparent they won't do it.
I wake up dreaming about this thing, it wakes me up and I'm trembling, and I can't go back sleep. The thumbs are just a low-grade like a toothache all the time. If I try to pick up a pencil it hurts. I put 22 years in the Army, I got metals out of Vietnam for valor. I just thought unless you were doing some criminal act that police or border patrol agents, they just couldn't treat you that way.
Slide Says: Let's hold the Border Patrol accountable.
Hold ALL law enforcement accountable. Not just border patrol.
This is beyond disgusting
Dude you weren't told how to file a federal lawsuit for constitutional rights violations. Force all those cops before a federal judge to explain why they used excessive force against you. The pay out could have been rather large. Hope the statute of limitations has not run out.
THANK YOU for your service to the country. You nor any other person deserves to be treated like this. We citezins must become more vigilant in who we elect and standing up for our rights...
He worked in a prison and was familiar with the "same techniques," but didn't think police or guards would be abusive? Surprising. I hope he gets justice for what they did.
thank you for your service i agree with you please dont stop your protest
They earn the hate.
I know I share allot of stuff that is heart breaking, perhaps you are tired of seeing it, but please do watch this one. I hope everyone watches this, then shares it with the world. Things like this should go VIRAL, not BS animal videos, not when this is still happening.
Agreed, and well said. But don't be discouraged. As Mises put it:
History provides an abundance of striking examples to show
that, in the long run, even the most ruthless policy of repression
does not suffice to maintain a government in power.
Liberalism, p. 45
mises.org/sites/default/files/The%20Quotable%20Mises_2.pdf
tabletalk33:
So just swallow it and history will make it right? Is that your position?
35906googlesucks I have reported your bullshit reference regarding animal videos to Tiny Tim the Donkey and to Fiona at the Cincinnati Zoo. Apologize to these beasts and come back in for the big win.
Nathan Armstrong:
We are noteworthy as a species for the poor treatment we have given our fellow humans.
But that is nothing to the thoughtless brutality we have given to our innocent brothers and sisters in the animal kingdom.
Instead of teaching we offer our neighbors a brutal authority-proving that we have learned nothing!
And animal lovers will not unite proving that they are no better! Cops, for example, shoot their beloved family pets and they neither shoot back nor unite under the law-proving that their love doesn’t go that deep!
They are Tories to their own defensible cause-the brutality toward animals having no human defense at all!
JWC
onelove Yes you are sorry Mr Paranoia.
Another crew of bullies who need mandatory cameras on their shoulders, since they obviously can't be trusted to do their jobs without excessive force.
Plenty of cameras in a Port of Entry or Airports.
ditto
more and more are starting to realize the shit is real.
It seems that awareness is not coming quickly enough.
Why haven't you retained an attorney to properly sue them?
He might not be aware of the system in place to help him financially for this type of thing. But you should be made aware that this was posted a few years back and hopefully by now justice has been served if not for this honourable veteran then hopefully at least on the head of this piece of shit border guard.
lol... hire a lawyer ...why ? The Judge has an Oath, You have Rights. They did not. They have Rules to follow to protect YOU !
www.constitution.org and Black's Law Dictionary ....
Will you let everyone Plunder your Possession of Human Rights ?
Had a pretty similar incident I was accused of having drugs in my vehicle because a dog alerted which was a lie because he did a hand motion and then that's when the dog went crazy my car was torn up I was humiliated no warrant no nothing no reimbursement
I hope you get all the money you deserve! I can't believe this mess...makes me sick. Good citizens can't relax because sooner or later, something like this can happen to you...at the hands of police officers. When I'm walking alone at night, my heart races when I see a police car strolling around me. Sad.
I don't think he is asking for money. He is asking for a change, and to raise awareness.
Scott Schulte No kidding Scott... though I'm sure there is a monetary damages plea in his lawsuit. As there should be.
Scott Schulte
He was permanently injured by this petty tax feeder's actions. He should get million$, taken out of the Border Patrol's annual budget.
Border Patrol Agents don't work at POEs (Ports of Entry)
Welcome to the police state.
I contacted the ACLU to inquire about the status of this gentleman's case and the attorney I spoke to stated that they declined to file a claim as "it was not economically viable".
photodc Better than the criminal state.
Pat Zorkling We have a two by four for your "resistance".. Right across your head. Can't wait until you bring the resistance to middle America. We're gonna hit you so hard you'll stutter for the rest of your resistance.
Thank you for all your service & for speaking up about this sort of thing. This needs to be addressed, seriously!
Do you have the name/names if the patrol officers, who ASSAULTED you? What became of the police complaint? Was the patrol officer arrested for assault?
Please tell me you're suing.
Again traumatized by the country he fought for. It's a disgrace. Thanks for sharing
I was mistreated in a similar fashion by border patrol in North San Diego County about 40 miles from the border. I had not even been in Mexico, I had gotten lost out in the middle of nowhere, no cell service. I'm also a senior citizen, a U.S. citizen, female, 62 at the time of the incident, which was in 2015. While I was not physically abused by the border patrol, I was distraught by their abusive actions and having trouble breathing and was taken by ambulance... to a mental hospital in San Diego! What happened there I cannot talk about yet. I have been so traumatized by everything that I buried it and this is the first time I've talked about it publicly because I'm afraid of retaliation. I'm afraid for my safety, and afraid for this country. It is not a free country and we do not have rights.
Thank you for this video.
Totally unjustified. Those involved need to do time.
Thanks for your service 🙏
God bless you.
Want their attention? Type your complaint out on a court complaint/motion form, and mail it to them certified mail, return receipt, so they have to sign for it, and you get back a mailed signature card, that creates a paper trail.
IF that agent did that to me He would later be knee-capped from 'about 100 yards . Filing a complaint will not stop the illegal behaviour ... but he might remember to think twice before doing it a second time
Moi
He should be scared - we should all be scared - it's going to get worse.
I am so sorry Sr...
People shouldn't been treated like that.. you have my respect, and thank u for your service.
I agree 100% with you Larry. Ret, USAF
maybe a bunch of us vets could get together and return the favor as well as give some FREE lessons in manners
Not to undermine this person’s story but we should hold all law enforcement accountable for their actions.
Evil people, led by their own wickedness "in charge" of our borders. They will answer for their crimes, as we all will, either in this court or the next. Evil persists and prevails when good men do nothing. Thank you for stepping out.
IF you elect Don Cordell for President in 2020 I will hold all cops accountable to we citizens. WE must ReVote to restore America.
My brother vietnam vet ,, i have never been in the military , police force , or any public works . but i have all the respects for men like urself. I have always believed that if anyone hurts , robs , or even kill a vet that person should be given death penalty. I dont even know what to say for what this animals did to ya. But like the person below me said :judgement day is coming. May God help u heal fast.
Thanks for service to our country. This man seems like a great guy. If something like this happened to me I would also be upset.
I'm very sorry that happened to you !! Rest easy knowing millions hear your story and care and sympathise. I personally know what it's like to wake up from distressing dreams due to emotional trauma. I have to believe everyday things will change soon and for the better in this country. If you know what I mean. ❤
Sir, I am so sorry and disappointed for the way law enforcement treated you it is absolutely shameful and disgusting, times have changed in this world and not for the good, I am afraid that the darkside of creation is grasping at the souls of mankind, manipulating and using people in power to do its bidding, I am afraid the days of respect and brotherly love have all but gone, but as for myself I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your many sacrifices, and bravery that you have given me and all others of this country, the coward that assaulted you will pay for his crimes eventually, he will not escape his sentence, not ever give up hope there is a reason for hope we all could sure use it, you stay well and again thank you sir.
Let’s get one thing clear- if this happened at a Port of Entry, it wasn’t the Border Patrol. They work between the ports. It was Customs Officers.
You got that right ...if your a bodybuilder or powerlifter they harass the Shit out of you.
Thank you for your service!!!
Off all the thousands if videos I have watched about police brutality, his opening statement says it all. As an American I am ashamed he was treated this way. I for one would like to thank him for his service to a country that doesn't appreciate it.
If the Border Patrol treated an American that way, imagine how they treat the immigrants coming across the river, who are more than likely afraid to speak out.
Imigrants are probably treated 10 times worse.
Good luck with the lawsuit. I hope you win lots of money. Unfortunately, that criminal-with-badge agent will still be out there harassing everyone, still get his paycheck, get automatic pay raise every year, and pension. Hell, he might get a pat in the back from his supervisor for bullying you.
Facts, all countries have secured borders. What border patrol agents did this?Where were are these agents from? It seems that now a day the selection of agents and police are GED grads with low scores. Americans must stand up to these injustices. Remember what happened to the Jewish people in Germany? I'll pass this on to the national commander and ask him to pass it on to others. Fight now, or fight later.
Thanks for your concern. I'm sorry, but your statement that "all countries have secured borders" is incorrect. Somalia does not (Somalia has no government; it has markets which serve the people's needs). Some countries in the Arabian peninsula do not.
But being a Libertarian, I DO NOT believe in "borders" or "government" for that matter, in the first place. I DO believe in private property. In anarch-capitalist societies, there will BE NO "public property," only private property. There will be no border patrol thugs to beat on helpless old men this way, and NO GOVERNMENT to order us around and violate our rights.
Hold everyone accountable
So 3 years on, any satisfaction? Apologies, settlements? Lame, weak and untrue explanations?
You put your life on the line that gave them the right to treat you and others that way. Thank you for your service, get well soon sir.
Truth the US has changed. I seen this coming years ago ..I fear questioning a officer and talking to a officer because the trust is gone.
welcome to the ordinary mans world sorry it was a rough enterance
judgement day is coming
Leftists like you will be judged and found wanting of civic virtue and you will pay the price for your evils.
Christopher Dorner is patiently waiting for more cops.
8aleph SO WILL YOU !!!!!
Sir you are a true patriot to be a proud veteran. To be treated like a criminal for sticking up for your rights is truly shameful of that sob BPA hope he got fired or put in jail
You should sue the agency and the individual. Suing the individual creates a whole new ball game.
If you don't fear your government.....you should.
There seems to be not much difference between the people who protect and the people they say they are protecting us from
Larry I am Sean from Dublin Ireland I would like to apologise for a fellow human being doing this to you. Larry you have served your country these jackals haven’t the balls to go in the army where they would actually have to fight. They would rather bully an old age pensioner. This will tell you the calibre of the man you’re dealing with in today’s society.I hope the guy who assaulted you meets his match very soon.Larry you get your attorney on the case. God bless you Larry take care.
Thank You for your service Larry, you are a real trooper! God is on your side.
Good luck holding any " official " accountable. Not the way abusive power works.
What is as scarey as a law-abiding veteran being attacked without cause or a warrant by the border patrol is the fact that the border patrol has checkpoints set up over 100 miles inside the US-Mexico border where they also demand to search vehicles for goods and people smuggled from into the US.
These people have no right to re-draw the US border and if it's 100 miles today, will it be 1000 miles next year? (The 100-mile stops with searches have been going on for many years.) The demand to produce "papers" to prove US citizenship is offensive. I don't carry a passport unless I'm planning on leaving the US and none of us should need to carry "papers." These clowns can easily Google to learn where the US border with Mexico is.
The rudeness of these keystone kops would be unacceptable if it was only directed at known criminals but these yahoos treat everyone like they are convicted serial pedophiles or murderers.
It's time that the US AG stops this misbehavior and prosecutes these supposed US LEOs.
“I began to realize our country is not nearly as free and democratic as it used to be”
The kind of freedom he’s talking about never has existed in America except on tv and in movies.
Does anyone know how this ended
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
How dare they treat a veteran like this Shame on them!
Now you know how people in inner city neighborhoods feel
So what was the outcome of this
So whats the point of this if the perps (cops) were never held accountable.
So what was the point?
We have to start pushing back against this aggression. ....Good for you Sir. I understand your nightmares...You have been abused and victimized. There is no recourse for you and that's what makes it worse. Keep the pressure and fight on. Get the name of punk officer who slammed you into the ground. He needs to be outed.
thank your lawmakers for this.
I'm sorry sir for your experience, hearing this is disgusting -
He is questioning the world he lives in. Good
Hire an attorney, they will listen
Anything come of this? Are you sueing?
Yeah, some bullies hide behind a badge and a gun... Most cops are OK, but there are a few bad guys...
I am here to do my part and I respect all others that stand with US In are fight still today, not for this land or it's rule.. but for freedom, to many good MEN have fallin to be forgotten and to this man I swear with all as my witnesses, i will stand for justices and right asmany wrongs as I can,,. I do not ask for anyone to stand near me, nor with me. just know,,, WE Stand for you and the republic in witch it belongs
Sir... Thank you very much for your service to our country. I hope you sued them.
Sadly they can do whatever you cannot physically stop them from doing.
why didn't you sued
They can do anything they want if complaints are not taken seriously...
The border patrol has done that to me a number of times. If they treat their own citizens like that on a daily bases, what do you think they are doing to the Mexican people who have no voices . It’s criminal what they do, you have no rights really, the whole system has to change.
I never make a judgement on a one-sided story. Let's hear The Other Side
Sue them!
Sorry this happened to you sir.
A little bit of law and a whole lot of ORDER!
I LEFT THE USA IN 2002 AND NEVER LOOKED BACK!
please explain why a law abiding citizen would be treated this way this is so sad this is what school should teach how not to get beaten by law enforcement even when not doing anything illegal
I’m sure he didn’t resist at all right?
Change the primary and follow on training regimen. Change their perspective from contract money going back and forth to accountability. I don't doubt it's contracted trainers and that corporation needs to sense accountability for turning out anything that just wears a uniform.
Let’s hold all Law Enforcement
Accountable !
I am sorry to hear your story. I have no excuses for your treatment by that agent. I am sure there will be a full investigation and punishment if neede. Please not think all BPAs behave in this manner.
Larry the country you fought for is. NOT the same country Today
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
Sorry Mr Kirschenman, you told your story calmly and I hope it is a lesson for the Border Patrol.
Denise Mulloy Border Patrol Agents don't work at POEs
Put me on the jury. The US Printing Office will be working overtime.
The system has been broken for sometime
should of followed simple instructions, seems like he forgot the basic fundamentals he learned in the Military
So? This is nice, but has the ACLU filed a suit on your behalf? Have you contacted your congressman and senator? Where's the update on this matter?
The fact that they would do this to any American citizen is just wrong. A Viet Nam veteran???? 75 year old guy??? Hope you sue the PISS out of them. Assault on a person over the age of 60???? This country is a police state now......
This is the ressurrection of the Nazi gestapo.
The training and tactics are Identical.
Do your homework.
Larry we have lost our country back in the late 70 s
Now you know.
Hold on...he’s been going back and forth across the border for eight years and he doesn’t know that they can search you and/or your vehicle for no reason?? He claims to have served in the military as well as been a prison guard, but doesn’t know how to cooperate with law enforcement personnel. This guy is a joke.
Yeah.... I’m fairly certain there is WAAYYYY more to this story than he is telling. Federal officials have huge requirements on the application of physical force on people and they have cameras all over the ports of entry to ensure compliance by the officers.
ACLU you need to start fighting to take away Internal Affairs away from the cops.
Criminals get better treatment than the average citizens