I like to imagine that Beethoven was very salty because he didn’t get to finish his 10th symphony so after he died he decided to screw all the other composers over
@@ParrotQueenPlays wait what was paganinis personality like? I know he was an alcoholic and womanizer type thing but idk about his personality and stuff ..I didn't know he was evil or is there a article/video that talks about it u know?
While a selected few play random snippets of classical music in between. Like someone says "people think he was poisoned" and then 3 people burst out the first few notes of Beethoven's 5th Symphony. It sounds hilarious
Tchaikosky was forced to choose between: a.) a suicide and a state funeral, his reputation intact or b.) a court case, public humiliation for him and his family, and jail time for his then-illegal homosexuality. This is confirmed by the fact that he was given a state funeral with an open casket which the public were permitted to queue and view. THAT would NOT have been permitted IF he HAD died of cholera, as open-casket viewing of Tchaikovsky's corpse was NOT in accordance with official regulations for victims of cholera AT THAT TIME!!! Regulations in Russia at that time stipulated that if someone died of cholera their corpse was to be immediately removed from the scene of death in a closed coffin. Yet, Tchaikovsky's body was displayed in the flat in which he died and the flat freely opened to visitors wishing to pay their last respects. Among those who visited was friend and composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, who wrote about the inconsistency with regulations: "How strange that, although death had resulted from cholera, still admission to the Mass for the dead was free to all! I remember how [Alexander] Verzhbilovich [a cellist and professor at the St. Petersburg Conservatory], totally drunk ... kept kissing the deceased man's head and face." Curiously this passage was edited out of Rimsky-Korsakov's autobiography. Another friend Sergei Diaghilev also visited the flat directly after Tchaikovsky’s demise and wrote that the corpse was not in bed - as would be expected of someone dying slowly over days from cholera: “In despair I rushed out of the house, and although I had heard Tchaikovsky had died of cholera I made straight for Malaya Morskaya, where he lived. The doors were wide open and there was no one to be found... I heard voices from another room, and on entering I saw Pyotr Ilyich in a black morning coat stretched on a sofa. Rimsky-Korsakov and the singer Nikolay Figner were arranging a table to put him on. We lifted the body of Tchaikovsky, myself holding the feet, and laid it on the table.”
lol that hasn't to do anything with homosexuality XD as I am half Russian and pretty well informed about Tschaikovsky and that period in Russia, can just clearly say - it wasn't cause of his sexuality (whether he was or he wasnt homosexual, I know that west and USA likes to do conspiracy about this a lot). And homosexuality wasn't normal, standard, allowed to be spoken of publicly in RUssia - but WASN't illegal by the means of killing and getting rid of person. I mean, like in any other country in those centuries. And of course, there were MANY public figures in Russia at that period who were homosexuals and as long as it's been secret it wasn't to be bothered with. So western myths about "oppressing crazy Russia" at that time - are just myths to make a bad image about this country sadly and those myths persist even now x/ The reason may be deeper and of practical nature - for Tschaikovsky's death. And as for circumstances around the 6th Symphony (which wasn't even to be named 'Pathetique' during the process of creation), there is a LOT of shady stuff which made Tschaikovsky rlly insecure. Don't have time to write about it now, but I'll be back to this video when free time to write what I got through my musicological research.
@@SamuraiSx19 Can you answer why was he given a state funeral with open casket viewing IF he had died of cholera. Plus can you explain all the other inconsistencies I mentioned?
Lowkey feel like so many more people would listen to classical music if they heard all of this juicy conspiracy theories and dramatic lives of composers behind the pieces.
About the enigma: One of his biographer and close friends actually said, that it would be in line with Elgars sense of humor that there never was a second theme and he just put this myth out to mess wirh the musicologists. Because for Elgar they alwayd wanted to understand music but never listen to it. Well if this theory is correct, than the Enigma would be the biggest prank in music history.
It makes perfect sense. The variations sound like they all composed without an overall theme in mind, and I can't imagine that a theme which can be played above all of them exists. If putting in some work, I am pretty sure it can be proved that such a theme does NOT exist.
Eddy: “Each variation is written for a different friend so it’s like coding your friends personalities into music” Me: oh that’s so swee- Eddy: “what a nerd” 😂😂😂
yeah I absolutely love this video because of it, eddy really knows what to point out and how to give you the most important points of the story, I've noticed this in earlier videos as well. I reallyreallyreally hope they'll do more videos like this!
That Curse of the 9th reminds me of something called "The 27 Club," where an inordinate number of popular entertainers (mainly musicians) have all died at the age of 27. Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse, and countless others made it on the list, sometimes just days shy of their 28th birthday. The causes of death vary (though many of them overdosed on drugs), but it is a bit eerie that so many rock/metal/grunge musicians have lost their lives at the same tender age.
A few more...Brian Jones (Rolling Stones), Jim Morrison (The Doors), Ron McKernan (Grateful Dead), and Blues legend Robert Johnson, who reportedly "sold his soul to the devil." (Sound familiar?) There are lots more.
All the other conspiracies: *death, suicide, hidden homosexuality, unfinished symphonies, secret messages* The Elgar Enigma: gUyS i HiD a PiECe oF mUSiC iN aNOtHeR piEcE oF MuSiC
@@natanaga9892 yea so i tried it and now i have a naked asian standing right next to me telling me to practice 40 hours a day . . . . . . I DONT HAVE A FUCKING VIOLIN FOR THE LAST TIME
Mozart liked patent medicines of the time, some of which contained lead, arsenic, or mercury. It's possible he dies from inadvertently poisoning himself.
@@tehstormie Are you serious? I haven't heard about that, it sounds really crazy... Not saying you're lying, just that it's crazy to think about jajaja
I'm surprised they didn't mention the supposed story behind the making of Fur Elise by Beethoven. Supposedly, he composed the piece for a piano student of his who he was in love with. He purposefully made the piece easy to play because she was a novice. Anyway, during the creation of the piece, he found out that the student was actually engaged and in his anger, he made the middle to ending of the piece significantly more difficult to play.
I think it’s because it wasn’t really a conspiracy, it was just well known that he composed it for Elise, as the title “Fur Elise” means “For Elise”. The whole situation was true.
Something that makes Mozart's Requiem even more sad is that towards his final days, Mozart was so out of his mind with fever that he believed he was writing his own funeral mass. And when the parts that he had finished were sung back to him, he reportedly broke down crying and died a few hours later.
okay like- My favorite composer of all times is Mozart. I love many other composers but Mozarts music just hits me different. And like I knew he died at a very young age and poor. Which made me quite sad cus like I love him lol. But I really didnt need to know this like- nO WHY... haha im depressed thx
Eddy: “Do you even call yourself a classical musician?” Me: no I’m not a classical musician I just really enjoy the entertainment you provide and it’s teaching me more about classical music
Plot twist: There wasn't actually any hidden meanings or themes behind the pieces, Elgar and Tchaikovsky just said so to make it mysterious and trick people into finding something that doesn't exist.
I laughed when they tried to pronounce "Süssmayr". That was some sacrilegious german pronounciation. Ignoring the two dots over the u is like playing a c when the sheet says c-sharp
Yeah every night I say to myself that I need to get some sleep, then it's 'Just one more vid'.... having said that to the previous one! Lol. Scrolling through the comments takes ages but it's fun and insightful... So here we are and it's 2am (again!)
Tchaikovsky didn't let the doctor examine him because of his mother. She died from cholera when he was little and he had to watch her dying. The treatment in his time wasn't the greatest. They would put the patient in a very hot bath, then directly on some very cold tiles, hoping the massive temperature drop will kill the disease. This treatment wasn't helping anyone at all, but IT was the best they could figure out. Tchaikovsky didn't want to undergo this very unpleasant treatment, knowing he's going to die anyway.
Tchaikosky was forced to choose between a.) a suicide and a state funeral, his reputation intact or b.) a court case, publc humiliation for him and his family, and judgement with jail time for his homosexuality. This is confirmed by the fact that he was given a state funeral with an open casket which the public were permitted to queue and view. THAT would NOT have been permitted IF he HAD died of cholera, as that is highly contagious.
I learned this before during quarantine if anyone is interested. Mozart believed that he was poisoned with something called aqua tofana which was made by a woman who was named Guilia (pronounced Julia) Tofona. She created this undetectable poison during the Renaissance era for women who were stuck in unhealthy relationships. Divorce wasn't a thing back then and abusing your wife was allowed. Guilia thought that her creation would save those poor women by allowing them to kill their husbands and all without getting caught. Gulia was extremely smart. She even made a cosmetic shop simply for this poison and made the vile (which was arsenic by the way) look like it was a serum and even had fake instructions. The real instructions that the women needed to follow were to put one drop of aqua tofana in their husband's soup each night and by the 4th day, they'd be dead. This lasted for 50 years before she was caught and burned at the stake along with her daughter, 3 of her employees, and over 600 women who were customers. Ok I'm sorry for wasting your time have a nice day :)
I've studied Aqua Tofana quite a bit, but I never knew that Mozart was so dedicated, in a sense, to thinking he was poisoned from this chemical! Cool :).
@@Nazinsky I think out of all of this since it's not a well known story that Mozart, like you said, was so confident that it was aqua tofana that killed him when others argue that it was a fever that had progressed. It was an interesting fact indeed :)
This video was *amazing*! I learned a lot. May I suggest some classical gossip for the next Two Set Story Time? Clara Schumann in love with Brahms, Buxtehude's daughter rejected by Händel and Bach, the immortal love of Beethoven, why Händel didn't get married, the scandals of Lully and Gesualdo, Vivaldi and Anna Giraud, Chopin and Aurore Dupin's daughter Solange... There is so much telenovela material in music history 🤣
Well yes. Ling Ling has no time to make fun of violas. Ling Ling is beyond instrument roasting. Ling Ling can play every instrument in the world. Yes that includes viola.
Wanted to let you know that the original meaning of the word “passion” is “ to suffer”. It became romanticized and then changed to a more obsessive love or however you describe the current idea of passion.
@cyan I actually learned this year what it originally meant because of the phrase "passion of the Christ". Etymology has pretty interesting rabbit trials haha.
In German passion is "Leidenschaft" and "leiden" means "to suffer". As a musician, this word is perfect. Music is both the worst and best thing that ever happened to me Leidenschaft is like being willing to endure something because you love it so much; to suffer for the sake of it. And I mean, it makes sense since there is no happiness without sadness, you live for it and you die for it, it motivates you and depresses you. So yes, kind of romanticised suffering haha
Here's more info about the requiem: - The identity of the man who commissioned the Requiem is no longer a mystery. The reason behind Count Franz von Walsegg's request for anonymity was very simple: his intention was to commission Mozart a Requiem mass to honour the memory of his deceased wife, and to pass off the work as his own. One of his musicians revealed in his memoirs that the Count often paid composers to write music that he would later pass off as his own during his private concerts. However, there are several clues that suggest that Mozart may have been well aware not only of the Count's identity, but also of his intentions: this kind of patron-artist relationship was not unheard of at the time; moreover, one of the Count's personal musicians was Franz Anton Hoffmeister, who also happened to be Mozart's close friend and publisher and, like all the other musicians that worked for the Count, he was aware of his master's habit: "The scores he had obtained secretly he usually copied out with his own hand [...] We [the Count's musicians] had to guess the composer. Usually we guessed the count himself... he would smile at that and be pleased that he had (or so he believed) succeeded in mystifying us; but we laughed because he thought us so credulous." Another very close friend of Mozart's, Michael Puchberg, lived in the same house as the Count, which would have made it very difficult for Walsegg to keep such a transaction a secret. Additionally, Count Walsegg mostly commissioned flute quartets to his "ghostwriters", and it was later reported that Mozart was asked to state a sum for which he would have had to compose not only a Requiem mass, but also a certain number of quartets. It is very likely that the composer agreed to be generously paid in exchange for both his works and his silence. It is a well-known fact that Mozart never got around to finishing the Requiem (the only part of it that was entirely written by the composer is the Introitus), and that the mass was later completed by several of his pupils. It wasn't until 1793 that the Requiem was played by Count Walsegg's musicians. It has been suggested that this event may have partially inspired Alexander Pushkin to write his drama "Mozart and Salieri" (which only reinforced the rumours according to which Antonio Salieri was to blame for Mozart's death). ⬆️source : astryfiammante on tumblr I know tumblr sometimes it's not reliable, but I chose that post because it was summarized. You can find the principal information on wikipedia
@@Sophia-uv5it yeah I know, i took the info from that post because it was summarized, but you can find the same information in biographies of Mozart, if you want more information you can write to the mozarteum foundation (stiftung mozarteum) :)
Hi, Even I was thinking that and i know just a bout nothing of the German Language. It was painful to hear them trying to pronounce Cholera Salieri and too. Yours, Ann
The first ever performance I ever went to watch was Tchaikovsky's sixth symphony, but I had no context whatsoever of what it was about. I remember telling my mom hey don't clap between movements and although I was sitting at the back, I had a pair of binoculars to watch the orchestra. There was a flute concerto before the symphony and then an interval and I remember my ears being blasted by the trombones (also during the interval because they didn't play for the concerto) even though I was at the back. The first movement went by, along with the second and third movement. Many people clapped after the third movement, but not me. I could see the conductor wasn't finished. And to everyone's surprise, in wandered this haunting fourth movement and a dark feeling settled on everyone as if Death was watching them from a only few metres away. There was a weird moment at the end in between the music ending and the applause. We walked out feeling as if something was missing.
Bevsworld04 every composer has a great ninth symphony like Dvorak en Beethoven after the ninth symphony every major composer died so Stalin wanted Shostakovich to make the best one because mother Russia but then Shostakovich made in measly with a weird trumpet line when it is about to be triumphant
@@Bevsworld04 the 9th is always considered to be the greatest symphony for every composer (Beethoven, Dvorak etc.) but un Shostakovich' case he intended it to be ironic and sarcastic, with the typical forced happiness which can be heard in a lot of Shosty's Pieces.
A story I heard about Mozart was that he was a freemason. As freemasonry is a secret society with their rituals, some say that the Magic Flute was a piece which was a betrayal of a ritual/s within freemasonry using music. Perhaps Mozart's Requiem is his 'swansong' as he was aware that he was going to die.......
Actually, the commissioner of the Requiem is known. It was the Count Franz von Walsegg of Stuppach who asked Mozart to write a Requiem for his wife's funeral. The commissioner asked to stay anonymous because he wanted to buy the paternity of the Requiem. Mozart didn't actually work directly to this commission, because it wasn't satisfying for him to write something which would be known under another name and didn't share this information with Constance, his wife. There is no evidence about the death of Mozart, but the hypothesis that he knew he would die seems legit, and that he said to his wife the Requiem was for himself seems to underline how Mozart has changed his mind about the fate of this strange commission. After the death of Mozart, the Requiem was played for his funeral, and the 14th February 1794 Walsegg used this Requiem for what it was commissioned: his wife's funeral. When he knew that Constance became responsible for "how, when, and by whom" the Requiem would be played, Walsegg decided to give up with the plan of stealing Mozart's paternity. Some year later, when he knew they wanted to publish the Requiem, Walsegg tried to claim a substantial refund for the fraud that had been ordered against him. He, who had done the same thing with the money, but in a more devious way. Greetings from a Musicologist ;)
A lot of composers have destroyed their works. We had a female composer in Boston, Margaret Ruthven Lang. Her father was a musician and very influential in the Boston music scene. He was friends with and entertained Dvorak, Liszt, Paderwski. Anyway, she studied with various masters and was the first woman to have her composition played by an American Symphony. She destroyed most of her compositions and no one really knows why. Her family said she wanted to be forgotten. Her symphonies, piano concerto, string concertos, cantata, oratorio, French song.. all gone. What is left are works published elsewhere in enough abundance that she couldn't get rid of them. It's tragic.
@@neapolitan6th I completed an independent study with thesis on the history of American classical music back in the late 90s. It took over a year because the source materials were not nearly as easy to locate as today with the internet. Anyway, I was fascinated by the early composers in America, the first and second new england school (the Boston Six). I could talk for days about this subject lol. Anyway, Lang was affiliated with the second school. The works you can find are largely art song, choral works and some pieces for solo piano. I came across this work during my study. I love this work. The sense of introspection, longing and discovery is appropriate to it's title, Meditation. Lang was very religious throughout her life and the influence is apparent in the choral hymn like quality. I play this every now and again. I absolutely love the return to A and coda. It just demands a growing crescendo to that one chord before the coda. ruclips.net/video/3uXwFMblXIg/видео.html
I made the mistake of watching this late at night and I am now scared that dead composers will haunt me. Reading the comments is barely making me feel better agh I am so scared.
Someone once emailed me what he thought was the answer to the Dorabella code, and asked if I could make any sense of his answer. He had sent a giant staff of music notes -- like 13 staff lines or so. I turned it into a bass / treble clef, and it sounded just like Salut d'Amour. I thought that was pretty weird.
I have a theory on why it took so long for Sibelius to finish his 8 symphony.... he didn’t want to go onto his 9 because of the curse of the 9 symphony....
I've played the Mozart requiem so many times and you can actually tell when it changes composers just by the music alone. Suddenly it gets very repetitive and it loses that Mozart quality of weaving the music together. It becomes structurally blocky and no longer seamless.
This is very helpful. Mozart is one of my favorite composers and I have been trying to figure out where mozart ends and sussmayer begins. I am actually trying to learn the lacrimosa and I can tell now where that mozart quality ends. Thanks!
It's so ironic that Shostakovich got to write 15 symphonies, even though HE was the one who made fun of "the 9th Symphony" just to flip off Stalin. God I love this man, his 7th and 13th are still haunting me.
The theory about Tchaikovsky's death sounds very true, refusing doctors to examine him because he was ordered to kill himself. I remember what happened to Alan Turing, although yes, different circumstances, years and everything, but Turing was sent to a mental asylum by the British govt. for being gay and he was chemically castrated for refusing to go to prison and later an inquest determined his death as a suicide. I think both were just forced to commit suicide and it's honestly haunting, if you think about it.
7:39 Brett and Eddy said they won't judge but if Tchaikovsky was attracted to his nephew and ok with incest, that's messed up. Some people want to support lgbt so much that they won't criticize incest.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c I agree. It's very hard to talk about this topic without getting cancelled, so that's why I just completely don't give a crap about what people want to identify as.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c but here's the thing: incest was okay in their time. I'm not saying it's right, but since they never received criticism on it it would've been reasonable
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c You have to understand that it was a thing back then, Einstein married his cousin, Edgar Allan Poe even married his 13 YEARS OLD cousin. History will never fail to amaze you.
@@rosamund3852 yep! Basically Haydn's friend stole his skull after he died so he can examine it. And never really gave it back until years later. It's a cool story that Ask A Mortician (on RUclips) made an amazing video about!
Mozart actually does get very dark at times, most of his music is written in major keys but when he really gets you when he goes minor, a couple of his Fantasies for Piano, his piano concertos (20 and 24), The A minor Sonata (the 2nd movement, he apparently composed this around the time he lost his mother), also this Adagio and Fugue for strings ruclips.net/video/NDKdrQgp_q0/видео.html Regardless, the man has gone too soon. Come on guys seriously that Salieri rivalry is completely made up by the author of Amadeus, the commissioner was Count Franz von Walsegg
I remember the first time I heard the sixth symphony from Tchaikovsky It was so long ago in the conservatory. I was sitting next to my friend and when the last movement came we were like.. "Bro do you feel that???" The god damn air froze in the room and in the last bars the double basses playing that B note with that creepy rhythm, like death is coming for you.
If someone is running short of time: 0:27 Mozart Requiem 4:17 Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony 9:20 Elgar Enigma Variations 12:10 Sibelius 8th Symphony 15:23 Curse of the 9th Symphony now go back to practicing
Time Stamps: 0:00 Intro 0:30 1) The Mozart Requiem 4:18 2) Tchaikovsky’s 6th Symphony 9:21 3) The Elgar Enigma Variations 12:12 4) Sibelius 8th Symphony 15:24 5) The Curse of the 9th 18:15 Outro Hope that the time stamps are helpful somehow. By the way, I love your videos Twoset. Stay safe, and keep up the good work!
18 minutes long of two nerds talk about classical music conspiracy theories to me who doesn't know anything about it at all Me : that's 18 minutes? How come?
What the f*uck. Just practice my dude, just lift the instrument and play anything with idea of progress in mind, ya dang fool you're gonna let your talent waste away. DO YOU WANNA LET YOUR TALENT WASTE AWAY?
As somebody who grew up in an ex-USSR, Russian-speaking country it blew my mind that Tchaikovsky was gay. Like, it was never ever taught to me and I had music classes for 7 years. What was common knowledge for the rest of the world, was completely unknown to me and my peers, crazy
tchaikovsky's 6th symphony *1st mvt :* when you fall in love *2nd mvt :* when you start to develop bigger feelings towards your crush *3rd mvt :* when you make happy memories with your crush and then you have the guts to tell how you feel *4th mvt:* when your crush rejects you
Elgar was an expert cryptographer. The answer to the thematic mystery of Enigma is: "Sing a song of sixpence a pocket full of rye/Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie". A well-known popular tune/song.6 & 24 are the digits in a special cipher number. Six bars and twenty-four notes in the Enigma section at the start. The dark saying alluded to by Elgar is "et in Arcadia ego" - meaning death is inescapable - which is part of the same code using the digits 6 & 24.
Are there any others who support this theory? It's so fascinating! How thoroughly have you looked into the counterpoint and to what extent does it fit? How do you respond to the other solutions like god save the queen or beethovens pathetique sonata?
Salieri and Mozart were friends, they even wrote music together. Salieri was offered to play any opera, including his own, but instead chose to perform a Mozart opera. Salieri also taught many promenant composers, including Schubert.
Thank you for sweeping away this bloody misconception regarding Salieri. It's just because of the film "Amadeus" (which I like, however) that this idea got fixed.
@@oneirdaathnaram1376 the idea actually originated from russian playwright Pushkin. He wrote a play called Mozart and Salieri. HE'S the one how started it
please do more of these!! side note but i know nothing about music lmao but your channel made me really appreciate classical music!! i get so many feelings whenever i listen to some of the things that are played on this channel!! they're so beautiful & riveting and man i wanna start learning how to play the violin now but covid :( thanks for your videos two set!!
Just FYI, despite homosexuality being technically illegal in Russia during Tchaikovsky's lifetime, it was relatively normal, especially among rich/powerful/higher-class people (who Tchaikovsky definitely was). Homosexuals during that time were gossiped about, but it didn't get you killed or anything. Many powerful men were known to have had some homosexual relations at the time.
The story goes that it wasn't a legal court that "sentenced" him, but a "court of honour" of his classmates and friends from the University. They thought that he was a disgrace to their school. My source is Robert Greenberg's lecture series on Tchaikovsky.
Alexander Pushkin once wrote an epigram, which implied the Prince Dondukov-Korsakov got his position at Academy of Sciences not because of qualifications, but as a favor of his gay liaison.
Thats very interesting. People throughout history were usually way more accepting of homosexuality than they are now. Especially in pre-christian times. Society goes backwards too, unfortunately.
Hearing Tchaikovsky committing suicide because of the stigma of being gay in Russia makes me so sad as a queer person. There was a lot of theories about his pieces, but most of them that I've heard are so depressing. Like the theory about the ballet of swan lake, the letters written to his brother, Modest, about Tchaikovsky loving a violinist but he felt guilty and disgusted for the love that he felt.
7:39 Brett and Eddy said they won't judge but if Tchaikovsky was attracted to his nephew and ok with incest, that's messed up. Some people want to support lgbt so much that they won't criticize incest.
@@HeveanDearest and not like they could've children, which is the main moral reason why it's illegal (guardianship counts too but you don't need to be related for that one)
I thought that the most believed cause of Tchaikovsky's death was that he drank unboiled water given to him at a restaurant, not that he himself forgot to boil the water. idk
Yeah, people who've seen him dying proved that. It was the Leiner's Restaurant (I suppose that's how it's written in English) The suicide rumour actually started from Rimsky-Korsakov's relatives. They claimed the composer did that out of fear of being punished for his homosexual relationships, although back then people cared about that way less than they do now.
I don't think they know how to pronounce it. I'm Australian and I kept wanting to scream the correct pronunciation at the video! (Should be more like 'coller-ra').
The biggest misunderstanding or conspiracy theory I know of is the idea that Shostakovich was a very devout Soviet and Stalinist, and blindly supported Stalin and his form of communism. In reality Shostakovich was in constant fear for his life and authoritarian retribution over his art, he saw his close friends and family "disappeared" in the middle of the night by the government, and had his name dragged through the mud by a "journalist" newspaper (which was really just Stalin's mouthpiece and a propaganda rag) and even received threats that by write ng symphonies that in any way make the government unhappy, he was playing a dangerous game that will end very badly for him. And such lines which likely sent icy chills down his spine. The idea of his love for Stalin and thr communist party of the Soviet Union generally comes from a book written shortly after he died, supposedly his memoirs and journals. It's belived it was written to cash in politically from his game, critically _after_ he would be able to refute any of it. The only pages which contain identifying information like his signature actually say mostly tame or innocuous stuff, whereas the really strong statements used as the real evidence for the claims made actually have no proof they were even made by Shostakovich. There's a great video on ol' Shosty by tantacrul. Check it out!
I first sang it when I was 15. :) I wanted to become an oratorio singer after it (I didn't). But I used to listen to it while driving alone, and my mum hated it as she thought it was bad omen to listen to funeral mass in the car.
I will honestly laugh if the “enigma” was something far more simpler and personal that people are blowing out of proportion with theory. Like the over arching theme was his friend’s favorite birds or something
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cats died after the 9th live
composers died after the 9th symphonies.
my theory is they were cats.
I seriously thought that too. The parallel was too good to pass up.
cAts caN wRitE MusIc
@@nicolem8097 BeTtEr tHaN hUmAnS
So they sold their soul for each simphony...
*JELLICLE SONGS FOR JELLICLE CATS*
"Many composers died before hearing their last symphony."
Beethoven: I've never heard like half of mine.
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Sad Life😭😭😭
good one
He died as he lived, not hearing what he created
lmaooo
We need a series called Storytime With Twoset
I agree!
they do have it, just rewatch it.
Yes!! Agreed!
Yeeess
Yea, Eddy's soothing storyteller-voice is amazing!
I like to imagine that Beethoven was very salty because he didn’t get to finish his 10th symphony so after he died he decided to screw all the other composers over
Lmao
Makes sense, he was one of the saltiest composers to have ever walked the musical path
Someone more evil than paganini? Wow Beethoven..
salty boiii
@@ParrotQueenPlays wait what was paganinis personality like? I know he was an alcoholic and womanizer type thing but idk about his personality and stuff ..I didn't know he was evil or is there a article/video that talks about it u know?
@@mdtrigger5908 Idk I wrote this comment a month ago. Probably watched something at that time lmao
This series should be called : Twoset unsolved
Hahahahaha it would be great
Unresolved? Like a chord?
@@bkdavebk i think it's just a reference of 'buzzfeed unsolved'
Nah
If Twoset Unsolved was based off BuzzFeed Unsolved then the name would be really unoriginal.
I want shirts that say "Warning: 9th Symphony Approaching"
ok for real though
That would be good Merch
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HAHAHAHA
I LOVE THIS
I love that
I'm imagining a bunch of classical musicians are all sitting around a bonfire and this duo is telling all the stories for the night
While a selected few play random snippets of classical music in between. Like someone says "people think he was poisoned" and then 3 people burst out the first few notes of Beethoven's 5th Symphony. It sounds hilarious
That would be so awesome 😇
Sophie oui oui, Hilary Hahn, Ray Chen, Lang Lang, Saana and twoset sitting at a campfire.
Woah
Notverifiedyet AndIstillneedvalidation it would be awesome
That sounds amazing
Tchaikosky was forced to choose between:
a.) a suicide and a state funeral, his reputation intact or
b.) a court case, public humiliation for him and his family, and jail time for his then-illegal homosexuality.
This is confirmed by the fact that he was given a state funeral with an open casket which the public were permitted to queue and view. THAT would NOT have been permitted IF he HAD died of cholera, as open-casket viewing of Tchaikovsky's corpse was NOT in accordance with official regulations for victims of cholera AT THAT TIME!!! Regulations in Russia at that time stipulated that if someone died of cholera their corpse was to be immediately removed from the scene of death in a closed coffin. Yet, Tchaikovsky's body was displayed in the flat in which he died and the flat freely opened to visitors wishing to pay their last respects. Among those who visited was friend and composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, who wrote about the inconsistency with regulations:
"How strange that, although death had resulted from cholera, still admission to the Mass for the dead was free to all! I remember how [Alexander] Verzhbilovich [a cellist and professor at the St. Petersburg Conservatory], totally drunk ... kept kissing the deceased man's head and face." Curiously this passage was edited out of Rimsky-Korsakov's autobiography.
Another friend Sergei Diaghilev also visited the flat directly after Tchaikovsky’s demise and wrote that the corpse was not in bed - as would be expected of someone dying slowly over days from cholera:
“In despair I rushed out of the house, and although I had heard Tchaikovsky had died of cholera I made straight for Malaya Morskaya, where he lived. The doors were wide open and there was no one to be found... I heard voices from another room, and on entering I saw Pyotr Ilyich in a black morning coat stretched on a sofa. Rimsky-Korsakov and the singer Nikolay Figner were arranging a table to put him on. We lifted the body of Tchaikovsky, myself holding the feet, and laid it on the table.”
It's still illegal to be gay at russia
Impressive 👍🏻
INTERESTING. Thank you! 🙂
I hope Brett and Eddy saw this comment.
lol that hasn't to do anything with homosexuality XD as I am half Russian and pretty well informed about Tschaikovsky and that period in Russia, can just clearly say - it wasn't cause of his sexuality (whether he was or he wasnt homosexual, I know that west and USA likes to do conspiracy about this a lot).
And homosexuality wasn't normal, standard, allowed to be spoken of publicly in RUssia - but WASN't illegal by the means of killing and getting rid of person. I mean, like in any other country in those centuries. And of course, there were MANY public figures in Russia at that period who were homosexuals and as long as it's been secret it wasn't to be bothered with. So western myths about "oppressing crazy Russia" at that time - are just myths to make a bad image about this country sadly and those myths persist even now x/
The reason may be deeper and of practical nature - for Tschaikovsky's death.
And as for circumstances around the 6th Symphony (which wasn't even to be named 'Pathetique' during the process of creation), there is a LOT of shady stuff which made Tschaikovsky rlly insecure.
Don't have time to write about it now, but I'll be back to this video when free time to write what I got through my musicological research.
@@SamuraiSx19 Can you answer why was he given a state funeral with open casket viewing IF he had died of cholera.
Plus can you explain all the other inconsistencies I mentioned?
When you realise its Tchaikovsky and Brahm's birthday tomorrow
Where are the cannons at
When I found out I have never been more proud to be born on a 7th of May. Such coincidence that they are also my favourite composers
interesting fact
Ha, it's funny that the two great composers who didn't like each other were actually born in the same day.
randomclarinet075 Sameee!!
the biggest conspiracies are:
who is ling ling
who is editor-san
when is sibelius drop
P P Ling Ling exists within our hearts.
Ling Ling completed Requiem, hold the lost piece of the original manuscript and buried them in Laughter island in the new world.
@@PP-nu5lj ssshhhh you are not supposed say that lol
@@rjyoon562 I deleted it :) better like that
Ling ling is editor san
People: the quarantine won’t last long
Quarantine: Sibelius 8th symphony
Underrated comment imo
shostakovich 7th symphony
Anthony Rodriguez bruh 😂
Scholars still trying to find the secret message
How long is it?
Lowkey feel like so many more people would listen to classical music if they heard all of this juicy conspiracy theories and dramatic lives of composers behind the pieces.
This channel made me interested in classical music
I bet you’re right Daniel Kim
Agreed lol
Damn right
I want to listen to music cause I enjoy it. Things like conspiracies might make people curious and check things out but their interest won't last.
About the enigma: One of his biographer and close friends actually said, that it would be in line with Elgars sense of humor that there never was a second theme and he just put this myth out to mess wirh the musicologists. Because for Elgar they alwayd wanted to understand music but never listen to it.
Well if this theory is correct, than the Enigma would be the biggest prank in music history.
That was honestly my first thought, that or the theme is just silence or something lol. Also, same name :-)
Felix Mastropasqua yeah, i just immediately thought of slience
Y’all have heard of being rick rolled, but get ready for......
Enigmatic Elgar’d.
Saby Martin Frigault I m a g I n e LMAOO
It makes perfect sense. The variations sound like they all composed without an overall theme in mind, and I can't imagine that a theme which can be played above all of them exists. If putting in some work, I am pretty sure it can be proved that such a theme does NOT exist.
When you realize apple and Microsoft skipped the ninth. Example: Windows 8 - >Windows 8.1 -> Windows 10. iPhone 8 -> 10
They called it Vista and X, right? Didn't both of those nearly break them?
I remember Vista getting terrible reviews
DAMN....
@@pipitameruje Vista is older than Windows 8 and X is Roman numeral for 10. So no, they did skip 9
You are into something here man
9 is a lso a participant of the gayest thing ever 69
Maybe Beethoven wasn't deaf; he could've just been really good at ignoring everyone with a straight face
Truth
facts
Lol. But no🤣
And also able to play out of time.
Are you the Elise that Beethoven wrote für?
Would be glad to have a second part to this video. I love hearing about my fellow colleagues.
mozart keep those bangers coming i need more material to rub one off to
No
Omg senpai finish your requiem
@@shahsingh663 for real
Album drop when?😳
Eddy: “Each variation is written for a different friend so it’s like coding your friends personalities into music”
Me: oh that’s so swee-
Eddy: “what a nerd”
😂😂😂
S
literally my reaction! I was like “woah that’s so cool!” Then Eddy said that and I was like “well I guess I’m a music nerd then” 😂
S I’d love someone to write something for me like that, it sounds so sweet
open.spotify.com/playlist/2VSiffIpescJ39BtI6XvHV?si=xyyZPFSxS36tsMrvNSx56A
here you can find all of the pieces mentioned except for song of the earth
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Regardless, Elgar almost gave up composing, but it’s lucky he didn’t. He was very depressed. Like all the English composers.
Haha yeah that's something I would do with my own art form! but I can admit I'm quite a dork lol
i've never left a zoom meeting that fast
Same
Same x2
Ya know ya can share screen right? So just share the video!
*a SCHOOL zoom meeting ahahah
This is gonna get 1k likes
Can I just say: Eddy is such a good story teller , the way he paused and build up the suspense and then reveal the evidence was amazing!
They both are
Eddy explains really good in general
The way they articulate is good....with ritardando and ritardando
The story idea was nicely delivered by good choice of dynamics
yeah I absolutely love this video because of it, eddy really knows what to point out and how to give you the most important points of the story, I've noticed this in earlier videos as well. I reallyreallyreally hope they'll do more videos like this!
I think they make history come alive, as if they knew those composers themselves
That Curse of the 9th reminds me of something called "The 27 Club," where an inordinate number of popular entertainers (mainly musicians) have all died at the age of 27. Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse, and countless others made it on the list, sometimes just days shy of their 28th birthday. The causes of death vary (though many of them overdosed on drugs), but it is a bit eerie that so many rock/metal/grunge musicians have lost their lives at the same tender age.
A few more...Brian Jones (Rolling Stones), Jim Morrison (The Doors), Ron McKernan (Grateful Dead), and Blues legend Robert Johnson, who reportedly "sold his soul to the devil." (Sound familiar?) There are lots more.
And 9 is a factor of 27. How fascinating
People forget the many other famous people also dying at a similar ages and not being 27. People put so much weight on mere coincidences. LOL!
look for the 27 club about the 27 operas by verdi. its in italy
@@TheMbmdcrew genius
All the other conspiracies: *death, suicide, hidden homosexuality, unfinished symphonies, secret messages*
The Elgar Enigma: gUyS i HiD a PiECe oF mUSiC iN aNOtHeR piEcE oF MuSiC
i'm still dying to know though 😭
so wat happens if u play all of the variations at the same time? maybe its a combination or maybe its aliens
@@timk8869 spoooky
@@timk8869 You can summon Ling Ling
@@natanaga9892 yea so i tried it and now i have a naked asian standing right next to me telling me to practice 40 hours a day
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I DONT HAVE A FUCKING VIOLIN FOR THE LAST TIME
"mozart himself thinks he got poisoned"
and that's on dramatic personality
Mozart liked patent medicines of the time, some of which contained lead, arsenic, or mercury. It's possible he dies from inadvertently poisoning himself.
@@tehstormie Are you serious? I haven't heard about that, it sounds really crazy... Not saying you're lying, just that it's crazy to think about jajaja
I mean. In opera people get poisoned all the time... and then sing for 20+ minutes because opera poison gives you a stamina boost before it kills you.
@@akechijubeimitsuhide
What? Seriously? What kind of poison is that? Some kind of drink,or powder?
@@durratulaishah3703 Maybe like coffee but stronger
"Tchaikovsky is gay"
"He is in love with his nephew"
*Classical music stops*
*Banjo music starts*
@Esther Jade Quintua
Banjo music stops
*Jazz music intensifies*
Esther Jade Quintua how is that better hahaha
Sweet home Alabama, am I right?!?
Omg 😂😂😂
@@emmaluk4899 country music is for cousin lovers, not nephew lovers.
I'm surprised they didn't mention the supposed story behind the making of Fur Elise by Beethoven. Supposedly, he composed the piece for a piano student of his who he was in love with. He purposefully made the piece easy to play because she was a novice. Anyway, during the creation of the piece, he found out that the student was actually engaged and in his anger, he made the middle to ending of the piece significantly more difficult to play.
I think it’s because it wasn’t really a conspiracy, it was just well known that he composed it for Elise, as the title “Fur Elise” means “For Elise”. The whole situation was true.
@@mxssjk5417 lmao
Lol wow so from the middle of the piece onward is just Beethoven’s anger.
@@Steveh216 basically yeah
everyone knows that and its not a theory, its a fact.
Something that makes Mozart's Requiem even more sad is that towards his final days, Mozart was so out of his mind with fever that he believed he was writing his own funeral mass. And when the parts that he had finished were sung back to him, he reportedly broke down crying and died a few hours later.
Shit.
okay like- My favorite composer of all times is Mozart. I love many other composers but Mozarts music just hits me different. And like I knew he died at a very young age and poor. Which made me quite sad cus like I love him lol. But I really didnt need to know this like- nO WHY... haha im depressed thx
@@sherlqki5900 bruh I can relate to this comment way too hard
Yes, “f e v e r”
damn mozart
12:32 "why burn it"
you guys should know by now that classical musicians are the biggest drama queens
Straight up OG divas/vos
as a composer, i approve this message
AHAHAHAHA
The Classical Nerd of Classical hope you didn’t sign the contract with the devil :P
True hahaha jeez
part two who wants a part two like this comment so they see
Pfff bruh, I don't want a f**king part two, I NEED A PART TWO
I want a part 2!!
“I don’t need sleep, I need A PART TWO”
Bruv stop doing this for likes just say "I want a part two" or smthn
Emma Lin part 2
Eddy: “Do you even call yourself a classical musician?” Me: no I’m not a classical musician I just really enjoy the entertainment you provide and it’s teaching me more about classical music
Plot twist: There wasn't actually any hidden meanings or themes behind the pieces, Elgar and Tchaikovsky just said so to make it mysterious and trick people into finding something that doesn't exist.
So who is Nimrod?
@@paulwagner688 Jaeger, his friend (and agent or publisher?) A German word meaning Hunter. Nimrod - the mighty hunter.
woah twosetter việt :0
I am the eggman
they are the eggmen
I am the walrus
Khoa Bùi Tiên
I mean, that probably IS what happened...
I laughed when they tried to pronounce "Süssmayr". That was some sacrilegious german pronounciation. Ignoring the two dots over the u is like playing a c when the sheet says c-sharp
How is it pronounced?
@@a.hollins8691 ü is essentially your tongue pronouncing an 'e' and your lips making a 'u'.
@@a.hollins8691 It's kind of difficult to describe, it's something in the direction of "Zeus-my-ar". You can always look it up on Google Translate :)
Dem stimme ich vorbehaltlos zu. ;-)
Are we not going to talk about the cholera mispronunciation ?
If I'm writing symphonies, I'll start with the tenth.
Write the 1st, stop at the 7th, and start the 11th
Just make symphonies by .1s
There are people who have composed more than 9 symphonies and lived.
@@andrewbarrett1537
Haydn composed about a hundred
@@hannahquintua yes but it was before Beethoven ahah
crazy how i stumbled upon this channel and now i’m hooked plus i’m not even a musician let alone a classical one!
aye welcome ;)
eyyyyYYY
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Yeah every night I say to myself that I need to get some sleep, then it's 'Just one more vid'.... having said that to the previous one! Lol. Scrolling through the comments takes ages but it's fun and insightful... So here we are and it's 2am (again!)
Yeah exactly they are so great that to understand them better I am learning piano
"You should go write your 9th symphony" could be an insult...
Dangg
I am going to use that now.
Thx for giving me another idea! Imma be using it.
Lingling has finished 10th 4 years ago
Go commit writing your 9th symphony
Tchaikovsky didn't let the doctor examine him because of his mother. She died from cholera when he was little and he had to watch her dying. The treatment in his time wasn't the greatest. They would put the patient in a very hot bath, then directly on some very cold tiles, hoping the massive temperature drop will kill the disease. This treatment wasn't helping anyone at all, but IT was the best they could figure out. Tchaikovsky didn't want to undergo this very unpleasant treatment, knowing he's going to die anyway.
very possible
Yeah medical treatment at that days was really poor and it didn't help the patients cure their disease. It is very possible idea.
But couldn't you just simply refuse the treatment?
Rimjhim Dhusiya Yeah but all of the other treatments still didn’t work.
Tchaikosky was forced to choose between a.) a suicide and a state funeral, his reputation intact or b.) a court case, publc humiliation for him and his family, and judgement with jail time for his homosexuality.
This is confirmed by the fact that he was given a state funeral with an open casket which the public were permitted to queue and view. THAT would NOT have been permitted IF he HAD died of cholera, as that is highly contagious.
I learned this before during quarantine if anyone is interested.
Mozart believed that he was poisoned with something called aqua tofana which was made by a woman who was named Guilia (pronounced Julia) Tofona. She created this undetectable poison during the Renaissance era for women who were stuck in unhealthy relationships. Divorce wasn't a thing back then and abusing your wife was allowed. Guilia thought that her creation would save those poor women by allowing them to kill their husbands and all without getting caught. Gulia was extremely smart. She even made a cosmetic shop simply for this poison and made the vile (which was arsenic by the way) look like it was a serum and even had fake instructions. The real instructions that the women needed to follow were to put one drop of aqua tofana in their husband's soup each night and by the 4th day, they'd be dead. This lasted for 50 years before she was caught and burned at the stake along with her daughter, 3 of her employees, and over 600 women who were customers. Ok I'm sorry for wasting your time have a nice day :)
No, that's really interesting, thanks for sharing! :D
Oh wow, i didn't know this....
@@Amanda-vz7dv yeah actually i did ngl
I've studied Aqua Tofana quite a bit, but I never knew that Mozart was so dedicated, in a sense, to thinking he was poisoned from this chemical! Cool :).
@@Nazinsky I think out of all of this since it's not a well known story that Mozart, like you said, was so confident that it was aqua tofana that killed him when others argue that it was a fever that had progressed. It was an interesting fact indeed :)
This video was *amazing*! I learned a lot. May I suggest some classical gossip for the next Two Set Story Time? Clara Schumann in love with Brahms, Buxtehude's daughter rejected by Händel and Bach, the immortal love of Beethoven, why Händel didn't get married, the scandals of Lully and Gesualdo, Vivaldi and Anna Giraud, Chopin and Aurore Dupin's daughter Solange... There is so much telenovela material in music history 🤣
Isn't it the other way around - Brahms in love with Clara?
@@Casutama wasn't it a love triangle?? I've like heard of it, not sure though
The biggest conspiracy is why you're not better than Ling Ling la.
Julian Zhang Yesong Sophie lee is!!
I need to practice 40 hours a day.
@Julian Zhang, I love the your profile pic is Brett playing violin!
You can’t be Ling Ling if you don’t practice 40 hours a day
la? hi sgpreans
'Salieri'
Brett: celery
underrated comment
"Chopin"
Brett:
Showpine
Celerery
Ready for Veggietales...
gorlami moment
*The Biggest Conspiracy Theory in Classical Music:*
1. Ling Ling plays the Viola
that's sacrilegious
How dare you accuse The Legendary Ling Ling of such a sacrilegious thing
Well yes. Ling Ling has no time to make fun of violas. Ling Ling is beyond instrument roasting. Ling Ling can play every instrument in the world. Yes that includes viola.
DOn'T bE SaCRiLeGioUS
You hush your mouth!
Wanted to let you know that the original meaning of the word “passion” is “ to suffer”. It became romanticized and then changed to a more obsessive love or however you describe the current idea of passion.
@cyan I actually learned this year what it originally meant because of the phrase "passion of the Christ". Etymology has pretty interesting rabbit trials haha.
In German passion is "Leidenschaft" and "leiden" means "to suffer". As a musician, this word is perfect. Music is both the worst and best thing that ever happened to me
Leidenschaft is like being willing to endure something because you love it so much; to suffer for the sake of it. And I mean, it makes sense since there is no happiness without sadness, you live for it and you die for it, it motivates you and depresses you. So yes, kind of romanticised suffering haha
Interestingly, maintained in the Sith Code.
Russian Court: Now that Tchaikovsky is dead, and no one will ever associate ballet with gay men ever again.
Boy were they wrong-
Here's more info about the requiem:
- The identity of the man who commissioned the Requiem is no longer a mystery. The reason behind Count Franz von Walsegg's request for anonymity was very simple: his intention was to commission Mozart a Requiem mass to honour the memory of his deceased wife, and to pass off the work as his own. One of his musicians revealed in his memoirs that the Count often paid composers to write music that he would later pass off as his own during his private concerts. However, there are several clues that suggest that Mozart may have been well aware not only of the Count's identity, but also of his intentions: this kind of patron-artist relationship was not unheard of at the time; moreover, one of the Count's personal musicians was Franz Anton Hoffmeister, who also happened to be Mozart's close friend and publisher and, like all the other musicians that worked for the Count, he was aware of his master's habit: "The scores he had obtained secretly he usually copied out with his own hand [...] We [the Count's musicians] had to guess the composer. Usually we guessed the count himself... he would smile at that and be pleased that he had (or so he believed) succeeded in mystifying us; but we laughed because he thought us so credulous." Another very close friend of Mozart's, Michael Puchberg, lived in the same house as the Count, which would have made it very difficult for Walsegg to keep such a transaction a secret. Additionally, Count Walsegg mostly commissioned flute quartets to his "ghostwriters", and it was later reported that Mozart was asked to state a sum for which he would have had to compose not only a Requiem mass, but also a certain number of quartets. It is very likely that the composer agreed to be generously paid in exchange for both his works and his silence. It is a well-known fact that Mozart never got around to finishing the Requiem (the only part of it that was entirely written by the composer is the Introitus), and that the mass was later completed by several of his pupils. It wasn't until 1793 that the Requiem was played by Count Walsegg's musicians. It has been suggested that this event may have partially inspired Alexander Pushkin to write his drama "Mozart and Salieri" (which only reinforced the rumours according to which Antonio Salieri was to blame for Mozart's death).
⬆️source : astryfiammante on tumblr
I know tumblr sometimes it's not reliable, but I chose that post because it was summarized. You can find the principal information on wikipedia
This comment deserves way more likes, omg
count franz: wah wah my wife died time to plagiarise the biggest virtuoso of my time
I appreciate the information, but you know tumblr is not really a trustworthy source
@@Sophia-uv5it yeah I know, i took the info from that post because it was summarized, but you can find the same information in biographies of Mozart, if you want more information you can write to the mozarteum foundation (stiftung mozarteum) :)
Yeah we learned about this in a mozart history class
Twosetviolin: desperately tries to pronounce "Süssmayr"
Me: *screams in German*
NEEIIIN! DAS IST NICHT RICHTIG!
Haha mir gings auch so😂
Hi, Even I was thinking that and i know just a bout nothing of the German Language. It was painful to hear them trying to pronounce Cholera Salieri and too. Yours, Ann
Hahahaha jaaaa 🤣🤣
To be fair that spelling is fuged up. I had to think about it for a moment
The first ever performance I ever went to watch was Tchaikovsky's sixth symphony, but I had no context whatsoever of what it was about. I remember telling my mom hey don't clap between movements and although I was sitting at the back, I had a pair of binoculars to watch the orchestra. There was a flute concerto before the symphony and then an interval and I remember my ears being blasted by the trombones (also during the interval because they didn't play for the concerto) even though I was at the back. The first movement went by, along with the second and third movement. Many people clapped after the third movement, but not me. I could see the conductor wasn't finished. And to everyone's surprise, in wandered this haunting fourth movement and a dark feeling settled on everyone as if Death was watching them from a only few metres away. There was a weird moment at the end in between the music ending and the applause. We walked out feeling as if something was missing.
"He was his nephew"
*SWEET HOME A L A B A M A*
About the curse of the ninth: Shostakovitch's Ninth is basically a spit in Stalin's face. He probably thought he would be executed after that
What made it a spit in stalin's face? I'm curious.
Bevsworld04 every composer has a great ninth symphony like Dvorak en Beethoven after the ninth symphony every major composer died so Stalin wanted Shostakovich to make the best one because mother Russia but then Shostakovich made in measly with a weird trumpet line when it is about to be triumphant
@@brambakker5253 oh, thanks. That makes sense
@@Bevsworld04 the 9th is always considered to be the greatest symphony for every composer (Beethoven, Dvorak etc.) but un Shostakovich' case he intended it to be ironic and sarcastic, with the typical forced happiness which can be heard in a lot of Shosty's Pieces.
@@Bevsworld04 Tantacrul has a great video on the life and works of Shostakovich
"being gay was illegal in russia" .. soo, things havent changed...
Wait fr?
@@dameagathamanwe9549 frfr
@@dameagathamanwe9549 yes very real my friend =))
Shouldn’t
yeah right? I was like, "'was'? you guys know that it's still illegal, right--okay maybe not the *being*, but like." basically everything else.
My piece was commissioned by Count Franz von Walsegg. My beloved student Franz Xaver Sussmayr kindly finished it for me and delivered it to him.
The mystery is solved.
A story I heard about Mozart was that he was a freemason. As freemasonry is a secret society with their rituals, some say that the Magic Flute was a piece which was a betrayal of a ritual/s within freemasonry using music. Perhaps Mozart's Requiem is his 'swansong' as he was aware that he was going to die.......
Daddy Amadeus
@@VeggiePatchplease- What is this- 😭🤚
sus mayor
Mozart's laugh caught me off gaurd and just scared the sh*t out of me
don’t watch the movie you’ll be constantly spooked
@janine napay HAHA
@@livispuzzled or "Constantine"ly
same HAHA it came out of nowhere lol hahha
Salieri in black mask is the one that scares the sht out of me
shostakovich lived to write 15 symphonies cuz the devil felt bad for him because of stalin
Shosty was practically living in hell... Considering him being an activist as well
@@erikfaringer9593 I did a paper about him and it was great
Or maybe the devil kept him alive to face the oppression for longer...
@@hb712 First the Purges, then Stalingrad. If Stalin's USSR wasn't hell on Earth, I don't know what is.
those written exclusively for the Soviet party's orders are not counted )
Actually, the commissioner of the Requiem is known. It was the Count Franz von Walsegg of Stuppach who asked Mozart to write a Requiem for his wife's funeral. The commissioner asked to stay anonymous because he wanted to buy the paternity of the Requiem. Mozart didn't actually work directly to this commission, because it wasn't satisfying for him to write something which would be known under another name and didn't share this information with Constance, his wife. There is no evidence about the death of Mozart, but the hypothesis that he knew he would die seems legit, and that he said to his wife the Requiem was for himself seems to underline how Mozart has changed his mind about the fate of this strange commission. After the death of Mozart, the Requiem was played for his funeral, and the 14th February 1794 Walsegg used this Requiem for what it was commissioned: his wife's funeral. When he knew that Constance became responsible for "how, when, and by whom" the Requiem would be played, Walsegg decided to give up with the plan of stealing Mozart's paternity. Some year later, when he knew they wanted to publish the Requiem, Walsegg tried to claim a substantial refund for the fraud that had been ordered against him. He, who had done the same thing with the money, but in a more devious way.
Greetings from a Musicologist ;)
Wow! That's cool!
@@qwert_yuiop7506 no in 1974 there were held the funeral for the death of the commissioner's wife.
@aaron Ix oh gosh! 1794, thank you for your message and sorry for the lapsus x.x
@@veronicasolombrino6518 No worries, I figured it out, lol. If you edit your original comment to fix the typo I'll delete my comment.
@@qwert_yuiop7506 Thank you so much! I've just learned that comments can be edited 😂
A lot of composers have destroyed their works. We had a female composer in Boston, Margaret Ruthven Lang. Her father was a musician and very influential in the Boston music scene. He was friends with and entertained Dvorak, Liszt, Paderwski. Anyway, she studied with various masters and was the first woman to have her composition played by an American Symphony. She destroyed most of her compositions and no one really knows why. Her family said she wanted to be forgotten. Her symphonies, piano concerto, string concertos, cantata, oratorio, French song.. all gone. What is left are works published elsewhere in enough abundance that she couldn't get rid of them. It's tragic.
Wow that's interesting
@@neapolitan6th I completed an independent study with thesis on the history of American classical music back in the late 90s. It took over a year because the source materials were not nearly as easy to locate as today with the internet. Anyway, I was fascinated by the early composers in America, the first and second new england school (the Boston Six). I could talk for days about this subject lol. Anyway, Lang was affiliated with the second school. The works you can find are largely art song, choral works and some pieces for solo piano. I came across this work during my study. I love this work. The sense of introspection, longing and discovery is appropriate to it's title, Meditation. Lang was very religious throughout her life and the influence is apparent in the choral hymn like quality. I play this every now and again. I absolutely love the return to A and coda. It just demands a growing crescendo to that one chord before the coda. ruclips.net/video/3uXwFMblXIg/видео.html
Why did Lang want to be forgotten?
Twoset: Choeuenskudla
Me: what are they... are they trying to say Cholera?
Sarcastic Squiggles arsehnik poisoning tooo like guys its arsenic
Yep, that was weird, idk maybe it’s an Aussie thing
It's not an Australian thing. It's a young people's thing.
Frugal Lentigo I wouldn’t say that. I’m in my teens and I say cholera correctly
Ok well I guess twoset is just weird? XD idk I just thought that was odd
"This one's for you music nerds out there"
You mean this entire channel isn't for music nerds ? ?? ?
My thoughts exactly 😍
I’m not a music anything but I find them entertaining and am going through their videos.
I made the mistake of watching this late at night and I am now scared that dead composers will haunt me. Reading the comments is barely making me feel better agh I am so scared.
HAHAHAHA i feel the same thing. It's really creeping me out
Omg this comment is me right now
Omg Same
Me, yesterday. I left the video when the Enigma variations enters the chat
OMG same, like this composers will haunted us😱
Someone once emailed me what he thought was the answer to the Dorabella code, and asked if I could make any sense of his answer. He had sent a giant staff of music notes -- like 13 staff lines or so. I turned it into a bass / treble clef, and it sounded just like Salut d'Amour. I thought that was pretty weird.
That is so interesting!
Yeah, because Salut d'amour was written for his wife. Seems kinda lazy to repurpose it for a code he used with his friend.
I heard a convincing suggestion that ''never is heard'means'never, never'from Rule Brittania.
I have a theory on why it took so long for Sibelius to finish his 8 symphony.... he didn’t want to go onto his 9 because of the curse of the 9 symphony....
wow.
ooh, good theory.
But before him only Beethoven and Schubert had died at the 9th
@@aleksanderorg9405 bruckner, Mahler, Dvorak
composers avoid their ninth symphony like hotels avoid the thirteenth floor
What's with 13th floor?
@@blackmamba572 13 is believed to be an unlucky number in western cultures
@@blackmamba572 It’s cursed! Or so says the superstitious.
Or how every Chinese ever avoids anything and everything with the number four slapped on it
@@adlirez As much as I would like to like it, I don't want to ruin the four likes.
“Do you even call yourself a classical musician?”
me: “No”
How do you learn classical music?
@@songfulmusicofsongs by learning classical music
@@songfulmusicofsongs patience, practice, and if you can’t afford a teacher lots of RUclips and music books
I've played the Mozart requiem so many times and you can actually tell when it changes composers just by the music alone. Suddenly it gets very repetitive and it loses that Mozart quality of weaving the music together. It becomes structurally blocky and no longer seamless.
This is very helpful. Mozart is one of my favorite composers and I have been trying to figure out where mozart ends and sussmayer begins. I am actually trying to learn the lacrimosa and I can tell now where that mozart quality ends. Thanks!
What bar
“Everyone keeps dying after symphony number 9!” Joseph Haydn: “hold my beer, watch THIS!”
Haydn died almost 20 years before Beethoven. There are plenty of better examples for people breaking "Beethoven's curse".
@Xypher 2561 shostakovich: lives after 9th symphony
every composer who died after the 9th: hes immortal unkillable unmatched
@@sipulocelpsohs6696 what if he died after the 4th
@@GameboyFanatic shhhhhhh
@@sipulocelpsohs6696 You made the 5th comment making it impossible to choose from 4 comments, thank you sir
It's so ironic that Shostakovich got to write 15 symphonies, even though HE was the one who made fun of "the 9th Symphony" just to flip off Stalin. God I love this man, his 7th and 13th are still haunting me.
I love Shostakovich as well,I know his 9th symphony was supposed to be a joke,but I think that might be one of my favorites by Shostakovich.
hello there If you haven’t, see Tantacrul’s great vid on Shostakovich.
@@Aaron-ou5mw I have,I love the video. I rewatch it every once in a while.
I'm a simple man. I see TwosetViolin, i press like
accent*
The theory about Tchaikovsky's death sounds very true, refusing doctors to examine him because he was ordered to kill himself. I remember what happened to Alan Turing, although yes, different circumstances, years and everything, but Turing was sent to a mental asylum by the British govt. for being gay and he was chemically castrated for refusing to go to prison and later an inquest determined his death as a suicide. I think both were just forced to commit suicide and it's honestly haunting, if you think about it.
7:39 Brett and Eddy said they won't judge but if Tchaikovsky was attracted to his nephew and ok with incest, that's messed up. Some people want to support lgbt so much that they won't criticize incest.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c I agree. It's very hard to talk about this topic without getting cancelled, so that's why I just completely don't give a crap about what people want to identify as.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c but here's the thing: incest was okay in their time. I'm not saying it's right, but since they never received criticism on it it would've been reasonable
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c You have to understand that it was a thing back then, Einstein married his cousin, Edgar Allan Poe even married his 13 YEARS OLD cousin. History will never fail to amaze you.
I thought about Turing as well. Such a tragic life
Shostakovich broke the curse because he's Harry Potter and was Voldemort's horcrux.
*underrated*
Lmao. And hello fellow Potterhead
“Will remain a mystery to everyone”
-“Let them guess”
"let them guess"
* dies *
@@joaovitormatos8147 i love how there are 9 likes
It’s a secret to everybody
lorry now it’s 332... holy fuck
Me, clicking on it: *Please mention Haydn's missing head*
Shadowling guistical oooo *wanders off to search*
Well at least that mystery was solved. He got his skull back.
Anna S still cool tho
Wait,haydn missing his head?
@@rosamund3852 yep! Basically Haydn's friend stole his skull after he died so he can examine it. And never really gave it back until years later. It's a cool story that Ask A Mortician (on RUclips) made an amazing video about!
Mozart actually does get very dark at times, most of his music is written in major keys but when he really gets you when he goes minor, a couple of his Fantasies for Piano, his piano concertos (20 and 24), The A minor Sonata (the 2nd movement, he apparently composed this around the time he lost his mother), also this Adagio and Fugue for strings ruclips.net/video/NDKdrQgp_q0/видео.html
Regardless, the man has gone too soon. Come on guys seriously that Salieri rivalry is completely made up by the author of Amadeus, the commissioner was Count Franz von Walsegg
4:03 "It's haunting"
Not as haunting as Brett's lo-fi
Two Set is what keeps me going during pandemic. You guys are the best.
yep
Yup! I would’ve died of boredom otherwise lol
Ditto!
"I have finished my symphony several times but I'm not happy is it"
Sounds like a legend burned out and pulled a 'dog ate my homework' on us
I remember the first time I heard the sixth symphony from Tchaikovsky It was so long ago in the conservatory. I was sitting next to my friend and when the last movement came we were like.. "Bro do you feel that???" The god damn air froze in the room and in the last bars the double basses playing that B note with that creepy rhythm, like death is coming for you.
If someone is running short of time:
0:27 Mozart Requiem
4:17 Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony
9:20 Elgar Enigma Variations
12:10 Sibelius 8th Symphony
15:23 Curse of the 9th Symphony
now go back to practicing
Thanks, I am running very short on time. I'm composing my ninth symphony!
@@JStrange13 DON'T DO IT!!
@@JStrange13 It's 7 days until the 9th too.
@@JStrange13 lol. Thanks
Ty
The "Curse of the 9th" it's like "The 27 Club" but of classical musicians haha
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING! People should start the "Nine Symphony Club"
@@happyperson1851 Haha I completely agree!!! 😂🤘
And 2+7 is 9
@@katkatlorenzo8225 OMG, you just blew my mind! 😱😱😱😱🙊
@Just a random violin player Yiiiikes! Hahaha my head just exploded 😂😂😂 Everything is connected 🙊😱
Time Stamps:
0:00 Intro
0:30 1) The Mozart Requiem
4:18 2) Tchaikovsky’s 6th Symphony
9:21 3) The Elgar Enigma Variations
12:12 4) Sibelius 8th Symphony
15:24 5) The Curse of the 9th
18:15 Outro
Hope that the time stamps are helpful somehow.
By the way, I love your videos Twoset. Stay safe, and keep up the good work!
I wanna ask, did you know the name of the piece at the intro?
@@bangganoerisputra9404 and the outro
thank you, it is helpfull!!
So basically the "dying after the 9th" is the 27 club of classical music
Honestly the history of classical music is so interesting. The story of Haydn's friend stealing his head after he was buried is insane.
Really? I'm curious, please tell me
Wtf wow I need to know more
Tell me more
Wait wtf-
wait what!? do tell...
18 minutes long of two nerds talk about classical music conspiracy theories to me who doesn't know anything about it at all
Me : that's 18 minutes? How come?
It was so enjoyable
Yet I liked it and want a part two
Yeah some of these topics could use even more time
the biggest conspiracy theory of all: WHY I HAVENT PRACTICED IN MONTHS
naillij j pandemics are mentally stressful and we need to feel safe before we can be creative?
Search for Maslow and the Hierarchy of Needs.
SAME
Answer: procastination
What the f*uck. Just practice my dude, just lift the instrument and play anything with idea of progress in mind, ya dang fool you're gonna let your talent waste away. DO YOU WANNA LET YOUR TALENT WASTE AWAY?
@@crustynugget7398 oh yeah let me just lift my piano no big deal
As somebody who grew up in an ex-USSR, Russian-speaking country it blew my mind that Tchaikovsky was gay. Like, it was never ever taught to me and I had music classes for 7 years. What was common knowledge for the rest of the world, was completely unknown to me and my peers, crazy
Alternative title: two set pronouncing words wrong for 18 minutes and 43 seconds straight
amazing
what?O-o
Choler-ray-a *shaking*
Normal people: *dies after 9th symphony*
Leif Segerstam: *Basically immortal at this point*
At the moment though he's up to *339* 😂
It's the war cries that keep him alive...
Conspiracy:
he’s actually Santa
Who is Leif Segerstam?
tchaikovsky's 6th symphony
*1st mvt :* when you fall in love
*2nd mvt :* when you start to develop bigger feelings towards your crush
*3rd mvt :* when you make happy memories with your crush and then you have the guts to tell how you feel
*4th mvt:* when your crush rejects you
That was what I was thinking while writing
I don't see it as about romance.
Eddy: "Was Beethoven even deaf?"
Beethoven: ...
Eddy: *writes it down*
Beethoven: *S W E A T S*
Elgar was an expert cryptographer. The answer to the thematic mystery of Enigma is: "Sing a song of sixpence a pocket full of rye/Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie". A well-known popular tune/song.6 & 24 are the digits in a special cipher number. Six bars and twenty-four notes in the Enigma section at the start. The dark saying alluded to by Elgar is "et in Arcadia ego" - meaning death is inescapable - which is part of the same code using the digits 6 & 24.
Are there any others who support this theory? It's so fascinating!
How thoroughly have you looked into the counterpoint and to what extent does it fit?
How do you respond to the other solutions like god save the queen or beethovens pathetique sonata?
Elgar was like Tool before Tool.
:0
It’s weird that Shostakovich was in the most danger in soviet Russia and was the only one who survived the curse
He survived because he was later to become Harry Potter.
After Stalin died he was chill, he just had to hold his ninth for a while lol
Salieri and Mozart were friends, they even wrote music together. Salieri was offered to play any opera, including his own, but instead chose to perform a Mozart opera. Salieri also taught many promenant composers, including Schubert.
Thank you for sweeping away this bloody misconception regarding Salieri. It's just because of the film "Amadeus" (which I like, however) that this idea got fixed.
@@oneirdaathnaram1376 the idea actually originated from russian playwright Pushkin. He wrote a play called Mozart and Salieri. HE'S the one how started it
mistressmozart and then rimsky-korsakov wrote a one-act opera from that play
please do more of these!! side note but i know nothing about music lmao but your channel made me really appreciate classical music!! i get so many feelings whenever i listen to some of the things that are played on this channel!! they're so beautiful & riveting and man i wanna start learning how to play the violin now but covid :( thanks for your videos two set!!
I feel exactly the same!
I felt something was absent in the past two day, now I feel fulfilled again.
Bro..me too..i got anxiety for 2 days of them not posting 😂😂
The only daily uploaders on RUclips I actually follow closely.
Just FYI, despite homosexuality being technically illegal in Russia during Tchaikovsky's lifetime, it was relatively normal, especially among rich/powerful/higher-class people (who Tchaikovsky definitely was). Homosexuals during that time were gossiped about, but it didn't get you killed or anything. Many powerful men were known to have had some homosexual relations at the time.
The story goes that it wasn't a legal court that "sentenced" him, but a "court of honour" of his classmates and friends from the University. They thought that he was a disgrace to their school. My source is Robert Greenberg's lecture series on Tchaikovsky.
Alexander Pushkin once wrote an epigram, which implied the Prince Dondukov-Korsakov got his position at Academy of Sciences not because of qualifications, but as a favor of his gay liaison.
Thats very interesting. People throughout history were usually way more accepting of homosexuality than they are now. Especially in pre-christian times. Society goes backwards too, unfortunately.
I love how Eddy is giving off such badass vibes, while Brett is sitting there like a strawberry cupcake.
Lol
The perfect balance 👌👌👌
STRAWBERRY CUPCAKE IM DYING THATS SO CUTE
Hearing Tchaikovsky committing suicide because of the stigma of being gay in Russia makes me so sad as a queer person. There was a lot of theories about his pieces, but most of them that I've heard are so depressing. Like the theory about the ballet of swan lake, the letters written to his brother, Modest, about Tchaikovsky loving a violinist but he felt guilty and disgusted for the love that he felt.
7:39 Brett and Eddy said they won't judge but if Tchaikovsky was attracted to his nephew and ok with incest, that's messed up. Some people want to support lgbt so much that they won't criticize incest.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7cdude get the fuck over yourself
@@user-gu9yq5sj7cthey didn’t judge cause it was normal back then. They know it’s wrong
@@user-gu9yq5sj7cyea incest was normal and legitimate until the mid 20 the century
@@HeveanDearest and not like they could've children, which is the main moral reason why it's illegal (guardianship counts too but you don't need to be related for that one)
Imagine having enough friends to code into different variations.
Abby Ong he has a lot of free time 😂
I thought that the most believed cause of Tchaikovsky's death was that he drank unboiled water given to him at a restaurant, not that he himself forgot to boil the water. idk
Yeah, people who've seen him dying proved that. It was the Leiner's Restaurant (I suppose that's how it's written in English)
The suicide rumour actually started from Rimsky-Korsakov's relatives. They claimed the composer did that out of fear of being punished for his homosexual relationships, although back then people cared about that way less than they do now.
Brett: “He had symptoms of coh-leer-ee-ah-“
Eddy: “-Co-lair-ah”
Me: Coller-ra...
LING LING GRANGER yes, i was just talking about how they both pronounce it differently to how i pronounce it
what
i pronounce it at kho-le-ra
I don't think they know how to pronounce it. I'm Australian and I kept wanting to scream the correct pronunciation at the video! (Should be more like 'coller-ra').
RaraCygno Yeah, i wasn’t sure how to write down the syllables
It's definitely "coller-a"
The biggest misunderstanding or conspiracy theory I know of is the idea that Shostakovich was a very devout Soviet and Stalinist, and blindly supported Stalin and his form of communism. In reality Shostakovich was in constant fear for his life and authoritarian retribution over his art, he saw his close friends and family "disappeared" in the middle of the night by the government, and had his name dragged through the mud by a "journalist" newspaper (which was really just Stalin's mouthpiece and a propaganda rag) and even received threats that by write ng symphonies that in any way make the government unhappy, he was playing a dangerous game that will end very badly for him. And such lines which likely sent icy chills down his spine.
The idea of his love for Stalin and thr communist party of the Soviet Union generally comes from a book written shortly after he died, supposedly his memoirs and journals. It's belived it was written to cash in politically from his game, critically _after_ he would be able to refute any of it. The only pages which contain identifying information like his signature actually say mostly tame or innocuous stuff, whereas the really strong statements used as the real evidence for the claims made actually have no proof they were even made by Shostakovich.
There's a great video on ol' Shosty by tantacrul. Check it out!
"Do you even call yourself a classical musician"
.....me not being a classical musician feels strangely attacked :D???
even if you’re not a classical musician you need to listen to the requiem
Twoset be blunt like that: You don’t deserve to watch this video if you haven’t heard the Mozart Requiem
the tov I haven’t 😂
@@yuhyi0122 I haven't too, I need to redeem myself
Kevin G just came from requiem and yeah it sounds so different from the usual Mozart
I first sang it when I was 15. :) I wanted to become an oratorio singer after it (I didn't). But I used to listen to it while driving alone, and my mum hated it as she thought it was bad omen to listen to funeral mass in the car.
Suzanna my mom also hated it when i was trying to sing queen of night aria but to be fair i do sound like a chicken 😂
I will honestly laugh if the “enigma” was something far more simpler and personal that people are blowing out of proportion with theory. Like the over arching theme was his friend’s favorite birds or something
Or that there never was one and it was all just a prank.
I think the most plausible suggestion was the most banal: friendship.
I listened to Tchaikovsky’s sixth symphony and I was really haunted for weeks. It’s really ominous. The man was incredibly talented.