Racism has become the boogie man hiding under the bed. Its honestly entertaining that people today are so blindly afraid of "being racist" that we literally can't have the necessary talks we need to have. What the fuck happened to this world...
violent racisum exists in the uk . those of us who must endure it from our fellow citizens must be wary at all times . sry but thats is a fact of life for many british born people .
And the name of one of those boogie men............ Monroe Bergdof!!!! Openly racist, happy to use children to push political genders. Fucking disgrace.
I disagree with the bit when the host at 17.35 or so says ""when you get a group of people together who go "we are white, we identify as being white", it tends to end in camps". I guess he's referring to the Nazis here. But the main victims of the Nazis were also white people. Not only millions of Jews, but also millions of Slavs slaughtered in the march East and all the other different groups and individuals during those years. That sort of comment, even though I don't think the host means any malice by it, reads to me as if all white people are supposed to take some responsibility for what the Nazis did, or at least be wary of the way we think because of what they did. Even the victims, or those that gave their lives to oppose what the Nazis stood for because - hey we are all white.
Alex M I get what he’s trying to say, but it’s not a good way of saying it. Large scale tribalism tends to end badly for everyone regardless of skin color. The Rwandan genocide in the 1990s was one of the worst in recent memory & both the victors and victims were black.
I found the host saying that line about the camps very irritating, and it's that kind of attitude that makes the entire subject toxic. If somebody identifies as black, nobody immediately alludes to the Rwandan genocide and implies that that will be the inevitable result of having some sense of identity as black, but for some reason if a white person identifies as white people will fall over themselves to start crying 'Nazi'. I thought the guest did very well in immediately setting him straight.
Funny that, I assumed he was referring first and foremost to the British invention of the concentration camps in South Africa. Or is this still a taboo subject among Brits?
Rapidly becoming my favourite channel. Good range of people that I don't always agree with but nearly always make me think. keep up the good work god bless and all the best to you and your loved ones for the new year.
"That nasty cultural stuff".. I'm wondering why to the ideology-blinded left, "cultural stuff" is simultaneously "nasty" when it's Western or more narrowly, say, "British" or "Polish" and yet fawned upon assiduously to the point of insistence on uncompromising prioritisation whenever it's not? To the point, in fact where many within indigenous Western populations now perceive (and fiercely resent) that it's they who, within their own lands, appear to be expected by their own bien pensant political and social elites to make 100% of any concessions required to accommodate incoming migrant groups. People who in marked contrast have been told repeatedly that they, c/w their pre-existing lifestyles and traditions have every right to insist upon BEING accommodated totally on their own terms. Even, in extreme cases of leftist salad-bowl multiculturalist zeal, to the extent of their being assured they have no obligation even to attempt to learn the language of the country to which they've elected to move. And then the more self-righteously sententious sort of metro-middle GROLI wonders why national populism has gained so much traction and, in stereotypical half-arsed Guardianista style, concludes it must be because all the "awful white proles" are just ghastly racists.
They dont know what they want because they have no identity. Theyve been stripped of moral responsibility. Culture implies a set of rules, moral codes, and leftists believe there is no right and wrong. This leaves them empty and devoid of purpose so they easily grab onto ideologies. The only times they get cultural pride, which is more like arrogance at that point, is when they see other people having a healthy amount. It makes them feel self-conscious, jealous, and competitive.
I think the fundamental reasons for this situation are the loss of the things which used to be considered the pillars of society and the nation, the things that provided people with fundamental meaning, identity, security: family, church, secure, life-long employment, a safe and cohesive community with a common language and culture, a strong country with strong borders, defended by a robust military, and a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy that represented the views of the country. All of these things have been eroded and taken away. People are left feeling adrift, rootless, weak and vulnerable, both from a lack of educational and economic opportunity, a the sense that their country is open to anyone, which makes things confusing with regard to who and what you identify with, an inability to change things through the ballot box, and a general spiritual vacuum. People fill this vacuum and try to forget about it with booze, drugs, sex, shopping, make-up, football, junk food etc., but these things don't provide any long-lasting satisfaction, and even make you worse off, mentally, spiritually and health-wise. There's now an ugly backlash against this with a shallow, jingiostic, spiritually defunct and aggressive nationalism rearing its head. This situation is only going to get worse until the country is fundamentally reformed, and the institutions of state are strengthened, along with a merit-based education system, restoration of community policing, and secure employment (especially restarting industry and strengthening the military).
While I feel your points this is all a bit vague. What has this to do with Brexit? How is Brexit going to solve things? Anybody who at least educated themselves about this topic would've known that e.g. in the case of immigration leaving the EU would just mean fewer European migrants and more Commonwealth migrants. With all due respect, I'm not so sure that the latter will help with the question of identity and stuff.
I was asked; & I voted leave. And if I am asked again; I will vote leave. And if we don't leave; I will vote for the Party that supports my vote to leave. And if we still do not leave - I will exercise my right to fight for Democracy. Not one of these "experts" have mentioned my reason for voting to leave.
Soviet Union Jack Completely agree... I voted for less government, less politicians and less taxes.. seems perfect sane to me! They should of put that on the ballot paper. A) More government, more politicians and more taxes. B) Less government, less politicians and less taxes. I also believe 27 doors close, 167 doors open. They where stifling us by not allowing us to trade with the world. Anyway nice to see apprenticeships making a huge comeback. Nice to see a future for the children. ;)
@@ryan3730 Would be funny if this would be so nice. The 167 doors have noticeably not the most interest in doing dealings with the UK, especially in the event of a no deal. You know, I'm bedazzled how people can still fall for this propaganda stuff 4 years after the referendum and be so resistant to facts. But then I'm also not surprised why there is a correlation between Libertarian ideas and conspiracy theories.
As someone who has lived and worked mostly outside the UK my view of Remainers is that they have no idea that Britain has a distinct culture... and that “multi-culture” is no culture and as such is destroying what makes the British such a great nation - that people want to emigrate to it! There’s nothing wrong with having a culture, ones own values, norms and mores. Everyone would agree that a football team should have a good team culture to be a winning club; and that a business organisation set out its culture to outcompete the competition. It’s not about preventing immigration. It’s about preserving British culture; making it clear that if you live in Britain, you abide by its culture ... just like I have to do in every African and Asian country in which I live and work. The problem is that the elites of this country don’t care about British culture ... and are quite willing to throw it away because they haven’t a clue what it is...because they mostly live behind high walls, large amounts of green, and enclosed the sheltered employment bubbles of academia, Westminster and the media.
The immigrant part of the problem cannot be bigger then the problem it’s self. Actually, that’s incorrect. This is because there are multitude of reasons for this feeling. For example, migrants pay £19billion less in taxes then they cost the government, so not only are they causing more strain, they are paying less. Coupled with the fact that the NHS has had to spend £100 million on translators as the migrants have been slowing up hospital waiting times due to poor grasp of the English language.
@@ryan7775 really why that? I'm not I just depressing that reality fly's straight over the heads of many people. United States is a "superstate" ruled from Washington and it's the powerful country in the world. But very strangling leavers don't this country and how bad that superstate might be? Instead most leavers kiss the arse of anything American!
On the preparations to park tens of thousands of lorries et al for a no deal quit. I voted in 1975 with 67.23% of the Electorate to Stay for ever not to be a Quitter with 396 MP'S against 170 after Wilson renovated the EEC agreement he said had 'substantially succeeded.' Since Thatcher's handbag brought other improvements for us. This vote did not have Benito Trump AKA Adolf Twitler and a octopus of billionaires in other countries or hostile powers as Adolf Putin overwhelming the internet with 'fake' propaganda funding the Far Right et al. See Philip Green's the Devil's Bargain on Trump's involvement in distorting the vote. The 75 Referendum was also no mere advisory referendum as the 2916 one was but for all time as said at the time. There has been no greater perversion of our democracy EVER. Be a Stayer not a Quitter. Peter L. .
Just come across this site - like the way you allow your guests to talk and develop their arguments. Keep it up - just subscribed.
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A great 2019 to you guys: And I have an interesting insight into the “trigger” part of your show’s name. Only term in the far left lexicon which still has it’s dictionary definition almost exactly, without being newspeak mangled to mean something else entirely... Took me a whole weekend of going down rabbit holes and mulling over this puzzling fact, but I have the answer. I’ll share it in the next show, show, so hurry up and release more. I enjoy them!
I was so happy we voted to get out of the EU!!! But never thought we'd get out, one way or another we will still be in it. Two year's of the BBC, CBI, the bias in the media, we be lucky if we get out.
@Michael Ladomery " the BBC is giving disproportionate time to arch brexiteers" are you having a laugh? Have you ever watched Question Time? Usually it's four remainers ( if you count Dimbleby ) to one brexiteers! The hand picked left wing audience. Jo Coburn at lunch time on the BBC hardly let's any one but a remainer get a point across! Don't read many papers but if they are turning to pro brexit, then it just reflects the fact that they now at last seeing sense!
Brexit have ideologically left elements but in the reality we live in it is pure right. Given that Britain has never in it's history been very left there is no reason to believe that leaving would help the left prosper in the UK. Also, more simply, if you find yourself agreeing with Farage Gove Johnson Mogg and co then maybe you should just double check how left you think you are or at least if your views are helpful for the left!
WhyOWhy gladly! Which book do you suggest? My mother came to Britain from it’s ex-colony in cyprus in the 70s as did my best friend’s jewish family. My jamaican next-door neighbour also came in the 70s. They all describe brutal racist persecution at the hand of white brits not to mention the institutionalised racism which has been widely exposed. It seems you have an interesting idea of left wing. I associate nationalism and racism with the right wing...you know? Like all the hard brexiters. But, in the words of the great Stewart Lee, it isn’t just racists who voted Brexit.....it’s c**ts as well. :-)
@WhyOWhy here's a video you can watch in the meantime. You might find it educational. I can lend you one of the books in it too if you like: ruclips.net/video/bWirozOMAO0/видео.html
Greeny202a Lose it to whom? The country has never been lost to begin with unless you believe the lies of the Daily Mail. France and Germany have better economies than us. So not really shitholes are they.
@@the_9ent France does not have a better economy than us and yes they are socialist shit holes where the will of the people is becoming more and more irrelevant. Our sovereignty is being lost to the European Union, if you dont think so then ask yourself why the UK population was never asked if it wanted to join a political union with the other 27 until 2016. We were asked if we wanted to remain inside the EEC in 1975 and then NOTHING. Why? We were not asked because they knew the result would be to leave regardless of economic circumstances. "the country has never been lost in the first place"???? Just take a quick look at this - facebook.com/raheemkassam/videos/2545454792161273/?hc_ref=ART3U19UwFLPHAv_MlGNdjs-A9YPG3nTepWAkjAsSls7QCql5Z73id-UC0IrhSGdXLU&__xts__[0]=68.ARAf5ceBf59N2Rk-_9z26xAmJinNyw7HDODibJkoq4qHTfAL8NlssCEIcYFtsCcNNGBz1Op1GuDVr8tPiFHaGQdHM5bGV6ktnt32P4dsGiQjY0AUYdNIdaBmoU7O4JOx9-r0ns-wbrePvuifkgMe4NrwTstqyGBWEGb19D8FzWJj7fft1I-H5zimngBq4X1T_PkhMuOOIsP-2aSnrXUCXLYrOtuFQvv2nImjuFOJkYtoCQYHkjvianXCR_wS2wvyfDC0Lc4JRA87NwA0WhYe-cxqDgeBng4N2CqfhZRYQ6ZSudbypeKtsDdaPwJAYLeDQnjw26m1XIPffZEs&__tn__=FCH-R
Greeny202a If we were not sovereign we would not have been able to have a vote in the 70s and again in 2016. So your argument doesn’t hold up. Look at our opt outs too - no euro currency and not in schengen. I stand corrected, France’s economy is just behind ours. However they have a more generous social welfare system. Still not shabby given your thoughts on them.
Sorry, stopped watching after 3:20. He made many sweeping comments which were disjointed and unsubstantiated and failed to answer the question. The question was about how much has the crash in 2008 got to do with the rise in nationalism? He replied discussing his general interpretation of what every person 'on the left' thinks.
you should have watched a bit longer you might learn something, He answers it by giving his interpretation about the cause of nationalism, which is to say, it wasnt the financial crisis
I would say the polarisation began in the mid 1990's, this is when I felt a shift, I would also say that there was a shift in the education system in the mid 1980's, I am only 9 mins in lol
I agree with the first guest.. Everything is a build up and it ends up toppling over, good or bad. We have great human beings out there that watch over the checks and balances of this world.
I’m Still not convinced that No Deal Brexit is a good thing for the future of my small Business and Family. This article - People voting leave just to kick the establishment in the nuts & others because they are afraid of immigration &/or cultural change (but not racist or Bigoted about it), or our MEPs did not make enough noise. Is Not reassuring to me. Do you have any reassuring links to share with me, please? I’m looking for sensible predictions/discussions based on established facts that predict anything other a massive economic balls up post ‘No Deal’ Brexit.
Russian Troll so Im told In a post industrialised world. Even industry is organic. The products of industry and technology we are forced to adopt changes our culture faster than immigration ever will. A big question in my mind is who benefits from the post EU de regulation proposed by the Brexiteer camp? Considering that regulations are most often put in place to protect society from unscrupulous actions of big business and banks...
Russian Troll so Im told I directly benefit from free movement of labour and free trade with the EU. As do the all the other subcontractors I work with. I am no big business. That’s why I’m interested in the possible economic positives of the ‘no deal’ Brexit. Look at the statistics and you will see that the UK benefits more from immigration than the poorer countries in the EU (who still benefit, just not quite as much). Your assertions are flawed. I’m not getting much reassurance from this discussion. I’m looking for facts I can rely on to help provide for my family in the future.
Russian Troll so Im told Hey I’m part of the gig economy living paycheque to paycheque, my contracts rarely last more than a couple of days. I’m not looking for excessive profits. Just some reasonable answers. Underemployment has also been decreasing since 2012 and is at its lowest percentile since 2000. www.businessinsider.com/uk-underemployment-since-the-great-financial-crisis-of-2008-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T How do you connect ‘underemployment’ to being in the EU? Sounds like its more to do with shit company policies to me. Tesco is not Brussels. How does hindering the £270 billion per year In free trade with Europe with extra boarder controls, tariffs and quotas, going to help the UK economy? How is starving our services like NHS, care homes etc, of a pool of well trained European workers going to help anybody? How is preventing the numerous production lines like BMW and Toyota factories that employ hundreds of thousands. From having an uninterrupted virtually instantaneous supply of parts manufactured all over Europe delivered by international couriers relying on free trade and movement to hit very tight delivery targets, going to help keep their production lines rolling in the UK? Do you think these factory workers will be happy in Tesco or working in nursing homes? I can continue... The facts are simple. No scare mongering or political rhetoric required. I can’t feed my children on conspiracy theories, only honest assessment of the future.
Russian Troll so Im told 9 Billion of 270 billion is 3.33%... Im not going to share the essay critique of your last comment. Not interested in drawn out argument. Further article.. ruclips.net/video/UYonSZ8s3_o/видео.html
More people voted for Brexit than any government in the history of the UK. She is correct. The vote was the largest and most historic democratic vote in UK history. To say otherwise is simply a denial of reality.
Greeting from California, USA. Thank you for the perspective on this issue. There is very little here about Brexit this side of the Atlantic. Thanks, guys! Question: what is taking so long?? I'm so lost on the timeline...
Max Vincent Follow this channel: ruclips.net/video/FVkt2pceytg/видео.html He’s pro brexit. He does frequent, insightful videos explaining what’s going on. He’s easy on the ears and isn’t angry in his delivery.
@@HP-fn4bo Hell, NO! Don't follow this guy. He's basically a Daily Telegraph wannabe journalist that just repeats the same propagandist, fact-free bullshit. He's the best example why the internet is a giant echo chamber.
It takes so long because you can't undo 40+ years of relationships that are deeply entwined in the UK's structures - especially if you don't have a plan, no competence, and gaslight the public.
Dohle Carnett hows that grooming gang report going? You all should really handle up on that. It’s disgraceful what the cunts in the UK left have allowed to happen to children.
I worked as a secretary in Paris and Madrid in late 1950s /1960s before we joined the Common Market. Loved it but had to have work permits - no problem. I still have several friends abroad and do speak French and Spanish. Voted Brexit - no ifs or buts. I admit I am old but not totally ignorant. Looking forward to leaving on 29 March and hope our vote isn’t overturned!
@@moonlitdesert _"A trading, not political union they were told"_ Yeah, except the UK was ALREADY in a free trade area with the EU (back then the EEC) before 1973. So you are claiming that UK accession to the EU was about joining a free trade area when the UK was already in. How do explain that? Of curse you can't.
@@moonlitdesert In the Roman treaties from 1957 it is already stated clearly that all that was to come is to make Europe a unit. Don't wanna trigger you but this doesn't necessarily means superstate bullshit. There is something in between. Besides that, what is actually wrong about coming together? I never hear a sufficient answer.
Really enjoyed this video. Proper thoughts and reasoning. I think Brexit is a great folly and will in all likelihood cause tremendous harm to the UK, but that said, most of the underlying issues discussed here are completely valid and need to be tackled honestly - it’s just the destination I disagree with.
I knew someone who wanted to change his life and break the monotony. He decided to jump out of the window from the third floor wearing wings made of wax. His business idea was to provide a winged taxi service. No one could talk him out of it, he called us whingers and other names that are too obscene to mention. He did jump, and he made a large dent on the tarmac, his widow was very sad.
If you are against the idea of a one world government and see the EU as part of a growing totalitarian regime then i can understand why you would vote to leave. Some people would see it as localised power being more accountable than centralised power. If you prefer the concept of your local councillor having the power to effect your town more than the Prime Minister then it's pretty much the same principle. If you love the idea of a one world government and see it as a collaborative step towards Star Trek then i get why you voted stay.
...or there is something in between that black and white bullshit you just wrote. 'One world government', 'totalitarian regime' - did some of you people ever opened a history book? Could you please use stop use words you evidently have no clue of?
@@dohlecarnett1866 Are you dyslexic or something? What i described is an apt description of a situation, not every "totalitarian regime" or "one world government" looks the same, and not only are you late to the comment but you're also thoroughly ignorant with the "you people" as i'm one person and i am very familiar with both the terms i have used and History itself . There was even an "if" in there you prick, it was describing 2 potential outcomes, Now stop acting like wannabe intellectual and eff off!
@@dohlecarnett1866 No, i presented two situations under which i think you were perfectly legitimate in making your decision to vote, depending on your philosophical worldview you could already call the EU that, if your way of life has been altered by a centralised power to the point that you feel disenfranchised then you have a case to make. You seem to have a gripe with the man in the mirror mate.
@@tribalisnt Worldview and mirrors are one thing, mate, facts are another beast altogether. I see people on the web spitting on about how abhorrent and evil 'the' EU is but I never get facts.
And none of the keyboard warriors below have any insight or solution to the Northern Ireland Border problem, just more childish variants of “We won, you lost” nonsense, like gloating about being invited to sit at the Captain’s table - Ha! - while the ship fills with water. Great.
Well, the UK has said that any problem with a border won't be on the Northern Irish end, it'll be on the EU side. Leaving without a deal makes the situation worse for the EU. I have a suggestion: Northern Ireland can form a customs union with the UK, most of their trade is with us anyway, and that way they get to be one unified Island of Ireland. No? No, still too salty? Welp, I wonder why people on the opposing side are making the same mirrored point. Ultimately, I think it will be fine. To suggest anything remotely otherwise is to suggest that the Irish are somehow closer to animals than human beings, in the sense that it suggests that they have no control over their natures. I think that's ridiculous. The Troubles could only exist so long as segregation and hostility was being bred in insular, inward-facing communities. Now, we've had plenty of time for things to air and plenty of time for people to understand that their neighbours ~while they might not agree with them on all topics~ are people too, and that you can interact with them and enjoy their company outside of politics. And I wouldn't say that any Northern Irish person beyond a few crackpots would say that the UK government is doing anything to "oppress" the Irish who live in Northern Ireland any more, beyond the old "My way or the highway" grievance, which is unfortunately too late to reverse now. The Scots-Irish are settled there, we have to accept this fact and make the best of it, because they were born there and raised there for their entire lives, so we somehow have to compromise from this state and get along. To do anything else would be unjust. People in Northern Ireland are no longer segregated as they once were, and terrorism ~while it does definitely still happen by left wing (often Marxist) IRA nutjobs~ is in decline and indeed frowned upon by the vast majority of Irish and Scots-Irish people. If Sinn Fein wishes to start condoning butchery again, then I think they won't win many elections. And they'll be attacking the very people who are putting up minimal obstruction on their end, as opposed to the EU, who will be the main obstruction and therefore cause of any unrest that transpires there.
For all the comments, Specialists, politicians, public in general, as an outsider I see that Brexit has several visions depending on the speaker. There's nothing wrong in UK leaving the EEU. But the amazing issues of Brexit haven't been dealt with. Before article 50 was triggered, there should have been a study of what does it mean to each one of the Brexitiers. Then create a good plan for Brexit. The EEU has many flaws and issues that needs to be addressed, but the main issues in UK are not based on the EEU, but the inability of UK Politicians to address the British citizens issues. Many times I saw that when something goes wrong automatically it's EEU's fault. If a good law is adopted by the EEU and UK uses it, it's the UK Politicians that though about it and implemented it. Many of the people Brexitiers and remainers don't know anything about the EEU or how it works. Information is essential to make a good decision. After you have all the facts correctly and all the information, then what you decide is your responsibility for it's consequences, Otherwise it's just beliefs and everyone shouts but no one is right.
While I disagree about leaving - it is wrong because it solves no problem, enhances problems and will weaken all of Europe - I think your post is spot on. Basically, this is happen everywhere in Europe (sadly): Something good happens, it happend because nation state X fought it off the EU. Something bad happens, it was all the EU's fault (which included nation state X in the decision making but nevermind). I'm so sick that people choose to be ignorant of this.
This is a great example of how our politics is broken. We still talk in the left/right of nineteenth century industrial society where our current political parties evolved. Problem is we are evolving into the information society with different social fracture lines which our political parties do not reflect. So the major fracture lines of today run through the heart of our parties, paralyzing them.
I've only voted for Referendums since 1973. Much like Ella, I've spoiled my ballot for all local and national political party votes since 73 A new box is needed on all voting forms with "none of the above" written beside it as I can see no other way of rebooting the system.
@martin corderoy Imagine a system where the candidates are hand picked and have to be EU supporters to even stand a chance of getting on the list. If I look at local councils they are nigh all for remain. I can look back over the previous years door knockers at election times, and how many weren't prepared for my question, leave or remain? With the youth being brainwashed at schools and Colleges since the late 70's, the time was running out for effecting any change. We can see in the National Archive the total deceit that was planned from day one, we can read someones question, "Can we leave", the answer, "we hope it's too late when they ask", "too late?", " yes we hope our legal team has moved to Brussels by then, and there will be no one here legal, to ask the question of". In the document any EU rule or law trumps any local one, so our legal team hasn't moved to Brussels, gradually our laws and rules are being swamped by Brussels ones, and our team have less to do.
Because where we are up to now has nothing to do with Brexit at all...we are in a dreadful state caused by the greed of the banking system which is now closed for business and is sticking two fingers up at everyone. Almost everyone I know isn't doing very well at all and I now live in a town which is regarded by the Financial times and the institute for fiscal studies as the most deprived in England. And by the way 17.1 Million people voted to leave the EU. I don't remember a deal option of any sort being on the ballot paper. It was either Leave or Remain
Commentator 1 - main flaw in the argument is that 2008 is not a watershed. The issue is that systematic underfunding for education, housing and social infrastructure began in 1979.
Life is pretty unfair.. between the haves and the have nots and the ones in the middle... but there are a few days when there is absolute equality... when my vote is as good as yours and vice versa... that’s why when Remainers refused to accept the result of the referendum it was so insulting
not everything about the eu is bad. the thing is you can take the good bits out of the eu and make it appy in britain and leave the bad bits behind. only if you have self rule, if you stay, you have to take the bad with the good
Oh you can trade, everyone can trade with everyone. The question is under what terms. And the bigger you are, the more favourble the terms are. As simple as that. There is a reason why teams and alliances form: the participants believe that they can get more together than on their own.
I call a person from Berlin a EU citizen He calls me (from Italy) a EU citizen People in UK call both of us EUmigrants jumping queues. I am sorry for the UK, but you have to go.
The bit about EU citizens sounds nice. But looked what happened in the Euro crisis, for example. The Germans and the Greeks weren't calling each other "fellow EU citizens" then. The Germans were calling the Greeks lazy and corrupt. And the Greeks were calling the Germans Nazis. You may be an exception, but national priorities are still very important for most people.
I feel you, mate. I have an English girlfriend and I love Britain, it is such a wonderful country, but this whole rhetoric, this verbal abuse of people like us is abhorrent to me. (And it also shines are light to all those liars who say that they apparantley 'love Europe but hate the EU' - well, no.)
They're making the divorce seem complicated to put people off ? I'm not sure that's right .. we got entwined so completely with the EU that disentangling may take a long time. Come April how many issues will surface ? I'm a Remainer but not a Remoaner.
I do agree with the opinion that many people voted for Brexit because it was the first time they were given a choice to vote for something real in their lifetime. I don’t agree with the reasoning and stance of that. But what is the difference between right and left in a modern world? A few percentile points in tax, I can still live in that world without getting involved.
Not entirely true. When the UK went in in 1975, we went in as TRADING PARTNERS ONLY, not to have laws legislation and directives imposed on our country, not to be told who we can pick and choose to come into our country and who we cannot refuse entry to, not to be dictated to, not to be told how to run our penal and justice systems, not to be told how we punish people who end up in trouble with the law, and other nonsense. From trading partners to being dictated to, manufacturing becoming non existant in the UK, open borders and freedom of movement plus hinderless borders, the EU has been empire buiding and growing to become a giant overcontrolling dictative monster that the UK can DO WITHOUT and we voted to split and leave, and it's happening in less than 3 months.........and counting, suck it up buttercup, like it or not!
anthony perkins - well, look at your representative government, do you want to give more power and control to those useless cunts? Why? It is all very well giving a speech, but without direct examples it is meaningless. Here is one, abolishing roaming charges, a very good thing. When we go to the EU on holiday we pay the same as we do here, but when a friend texts you on holiday from the U.K. they will still be hit with an inflated charge, why? Because the EU did their bit for you but your local government still acts in the interests of vast profits for corporations. Those regulations will affect you if you are in or out. Look at something like restricting power on vacuum cleaners, outside EU regulation we could still make high wattage cleaners that are bad for the planet and our hearing, and we could buy them, but you have no export market with the single biggest trading bloc in the world. So these silly little regulations will affect you either way - it is a very poor argument.
Nazis were German nationalist, not white nationalists, White nationalism is more an American thing, where in USA all the white ethnicities were mixed together through immigration.
Francis is that bloke who spends all day regarding himself middle class until he gets to the pub where he amps his cockney accent up, I know so many 'Francis' types, they mirror whoever they're talking to but ask them who THEY are and turn into a gibbering mess
Where does the idea that the majority stand is being demonized come from? I am aware of the use of "remoaners" and "remaniacs" monikers. Does some comparable insult to Brexiteers even exist?
I feel sorry for all those small businesses that will be screwed if we remain in the EU or if they vote in Mays deal which effectively keeps us in the EU, why I hear you all saying its because they are going to force all those small businesses that don't have to pay VAT to pay it. Not our government but the EU are bringing this in in 2019 which was hushed up by the press in December when the news was broken, it was given a btw this is gonna happen and then not mentioned again in the BBC news.
From what I have read; heard the EU is poorly designed from same argument types going on now among founders. Different interest groups wanting a advantage. I think most people voted against because its a second governing body they do not directly vote for. The EU interest seem mostly in London with its financial market. I also can't imagine what a second vote would mean; vote again if you don't like the first results?
I would've rather proposed from the start on that the Brexit decision had to happen in referendums there should've been a series of referendums like 3 or so. All would've followed up on the outcome because this question is way to complex to deal with it in one go. You see now that the public is gaslighted. NOBODY talked about a no deal WTO Brexit. That includes all the dudes who'll now profit from desaster capitalism, e.g. Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc.
Edit; I rescind my initial post, below. I just took him 5 minutes to finally loop around and actually answer it, more or less corroborating what I said. I don't think the first guest answered the first question exactly, which was an amazing question and one I've been wondering myself and pondering frequently. But, in the Aughts GB had really good economic growth. Then the US markets crashed in 08, which brought down world markets in 09. And now that everyone is effectively out of the recovery process, GBs growth is about 40% of what it was before the crash. While the crash is very obviously not the sole reason, would it not be the foundation upon which was built the current Political climate GB finds itself in today? The people who got "spoiled" by benefiting from that pre-crash growth are "nostalgic" for those old days where they had more money, and now that we are post-crash and they aren't making as much, nor projected to be any time soon, that general dissatisfaction was "weaponized" (for lack of a better term), leading to Cameron succumbing to whim and staging an ill-conceived referendum, leading to an ill-conceived out-come, leading to an ill-conceived execution of that outcome, leading to the cesspool GB finds itself in as of the time this video went up?
I can only say that I strongly acknowledge that financial crashes, sanctions, military defeats and austerity imposed on populations, will lead to wars, right-wing sentiment and brexit. We can look at what were the main causes that lead to ww2, only to realize the obvious. Britain has just declared war on Europe. I do not say this likely however, I would like to leave the reader of this note with a question. If a disagreement between two individuals can be considered to be the start of a war, what do you make of disagreements between countries?
@@andrewuk2683 You will survive - but for the most of you it means less income, less work. There are a few big economic blocs - USA, China, EU,...the make the rules. And we all have to follow. You have no power of negotiation - the last two years have given proof to that.
The way forward is *absolutely clear,* protect our *sovereignty* and *what we hold dear,* Ignore the propaganda of *project fear,* and, keep our *£39BN each year.* #WTOrules We've already made a democratic decision, don't 'break democracy' by asking us again.
- Nothing is clear since, well, the UK governments doesn't even have bloody storage space to deal with this. - If you are afraid of immigration have fun with the non-EU immigrants who bascially balanced out the numbers of EU nationals leaving the UK. - Project Fear is bascially Project Reality because, well, it worked. - The EU already got more money than the 39 billion pounds. Also Boris caved in on all the other demands. - You really have no clue what WTO rules are. Have fun with Argentina!
@@dohlecarnett1866 - Storage for what? This is nonsensical. - Fear of immigration is a projection of remoaners who desperately cry racism. No 'fear' or racism here! Points based system, here we go! - I think you'll find Project Fear didn't work. Despite massive, illegal, additional funds, The People still voted to leave and this feeling has grown at every voting opportunity since. - You may be correct - I know treacherous remoaning scum in the civil service and government have/had loyalty to the eu instead of their voters. - You're right, I don't have a working knowledge of WTO law.s However, I understand other eu trading partners don't need a 'level playing field' for their FTA. Remoaners don't even seem to understand this basic point.
@@TheDruidKing - Storage for the stuff you need to hold for tariff checks. - Points based is something the UK government could've introduced decades ago, within the EU or without. EU citiziens contribute to the wealth of the UK as they have to give proof of job and residence and stuff. - Project Reality already is true because of the assets that left - while the UK was still EU member! Let's wait till Jan 2020. - Loyality to the EU, eh? So to other states you mean? Because there is not 'the' EU. - The level playing field is in place because the UK does most of it's trade with the EU/common market. Of course there are other rules for let's say Japan which is at the end of the fuckin world and doesn't have 1/3 of the access the UK had/still has/needs to have. I'd say stick to your druid shit, mate, because you have no clue about economics or political economy.
@@dohlecarnett1866 - Holding goods? This was the case in the 80s. Look at other countries import procedures and even our own for non-eu imports! - Incorrect. The EU stole control of our borders. - Wait until Jan 2020? What time is it where you are? You'll need to accept Brexit is happening. - Loyalty to any foreign power before the UK is traitorous. - The level playing field isn't and won't be in place. The EU is a protectionist racket. - You say a lot of things that are inaccurate.
@@TheDruidKing Dude, as I said, please stick to your druid shit: - The UK No Deal Brexit will break up the just in time production. Therefore, it needs storage space to check incoming goods. This will lead to a decrease and rise in prizes. This is #logic. - No, the EU didn't stole control of your borders. In fact, it even protected your borders. As part of the EU, France for example hindered illegal migrants to access the UK via the Eurotunnel. - Brexit happened, you guys are out, and some people think: for the better. Jan 2021 - my mistake - is when the effects of Brexit will be actually tangible. - Which foreign power, you moron? The EU is a club of DIFFERENT STATES where the UK was part of. Stop reading your fuckin tabloids. Are you proud being brainwashed? - The level-playing field will happen because the UK NEEDS the Europen market. Geography dictates it, economics dictate it, logic dictates it. Unicornland my ass. You can have sex with your sovereignety for all that I care, it won't change the facts that the UK is now a state between the power blocks who'll have to eat the meals others prepare. - Oh, I say things that inaccurate? Coming from YOU? Point them out. With facts. Otherwise, you are juse another deluded internet troll who can't be taken seriously.
I voted leave because there are too many eu migrants here driving down wages, refusing to speak English, turning the UK upside down with weird products, Polski Sklep, and refusing to fit in generally. Sooner we get out THE BETTER and it's coming hooray!
Yes I see how you Brits fit in Spanish society Costa del sol has become a second Britain with beens on tost shops. You are ignorant. All foreigners remain together and have there own clubs and food shop allover the world. Grow up learn you have one life on this planet. Learn
@@BlunderCity WHEN WE LEAVE SHITTY EUROPE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHO SHOULD COME HERE, AND REJECT WHO SHOULD NOT COME HERE BASED ON SKILLS, CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS, FINANCIAL SITUATION, ACCOMMODATION SITUATION, WHETHER YOU HAVE A JOB TO COME TO OR NOT, WHETHER YOUR PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ENGLISH, WHETHER YOUR PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED PASSPORT AND VISA FRAUD, AND YOUR PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES HERE WILL BE ABLE TO BE REMOVED AND DEPORTED WITHOUT THE PROTECTIONS OF EUROPEAN LAW YOU CURRENTLY LIVE UNDER.
@@anthonyperkins7556 Dude, the numbers of EU migrants gone down but the numbers of the non-EU migrants gone up. Your government is doing exactly nothing against this. Have fun.
Nothing to do with disliking immigrants at all, we just wanted stricter controls over who comes in and we send back based on job skills, a persons criminal convictions, financial situation, whether they can speak English or not, whether they have a job to come to, and other essential requirements. Nothing to do with racism etc.
@@anthonyperkins7556. I speak to people at work and even family members, and it always boils down to the same thing. It's obvious no matter how you dress it up.
@@Geffo555 hey, there are people whom for that was a or the main reason but, please don't put that on those good folk for whom that was not any reason at all. It's a strange and polarizing time, putting people in groups like that and assuming your worst fears are their motivation isn't going to help. There are many nuances to this
@@overcoercion590. Are you referring to those who believed the lies about money for the NHS? And if you reread my leading comment you'll see that I said MOST people. Who the heck understood WTO commerce? Who understands it now? The average person was just triggered by LEAVE's threats of a tsunami of immigrants from Turkey and beyond. TICK THIS BOX IF YOU DON'T LIKE IMMIGRANTS. Brexit in a nutshell.
There was a vote leave that’s all that matters democracy must prevail. We had a 9 million pound leaflet Stating this . Leave means leave.. or yellow vests take power ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
Trump got elected on populistic policies but is struggling to get his wall implemented. Of course Brexit isn’t about populism is just that our government is incapable of listening to the will of the people. The fact that it looks like an impossible ask is mere details. Power to the people.
Mikey Mike As an American Perhaps similar to Brexit Trump was elected to build a wall but details mater. Major part of our southern border is a river. Do we build wall to keep out southern ranchers from the river? How about wildlife trying to get to river. I guess it would be like building wall along your beaches. Also we have mountains. Wall not needed but if promised, must we follow through. Now our border security say tall iron fencing is preferable. Concrete wall was promised. Many people aren't happy, they want concrete wall. At some point reality must overrule exact wording of mandate. I think.
Cards on table, I voted remain. So it's an interesting video, but not for positive reasons. Ella for example seemed to say that she voted Leave because it was a chance for a radical shift towards the left. This does not play well with me. It's idealistic, "at any cost" thinking. I'm left of centre and find the far left almost as toxic as the far right. There was also no discussion of the benefits being in the EU. And it feels a bit like the focus being on "Why people voted for it" was a deliberate attempt to sway any conversation away from that. The comedian at the end rightly states that we need immigration, but misunderstood the difference between working and living in the EU and working and living in the US. Of all the guests he was the only one I actually disliked. I don't want to write pages here, so my final criticism is that people who voted remain were hugely misrepresented in this video and their actual opinions excluded. One of the very real risks of Brexit is trade. There seems to be little to no understanding of what WTO terms means or how trade blocs work. Negotiating a deal with the US for example will require huge concessions because we don't have clout. Trump doesn't even want to do a deal because "We've done it with the EU". One of the reasons the US liked the UK was for its access to the EU. So the concessions would include the high fear items like low quality food, but also things like further opening up the NHS to American health providers.
@@triggerpod Is there a video of why people voted to remain? Just asking because the whole debate about why leave voters voted that way is so much done by now. An actual debunking video would be good because that's what I miss when I look at this whole UK debate. The sheer ignorance about how the EU, WTO and all that works is simply absurd.
I think it is unnecessary to present guests before they even said anything interesting. At that point noone cares who they are. When they say something we can see if the content makes us want to know more about the speakers and if so, we can check them out on google :)
We are living in times whereby communication and information has never been easier, where the lazy and stupid who have never read a book in their lives watch a you tube video and think themselves informed. I am not condemning just young people, I had to explain to my father in law that the video about a 250 year old man was fake.
if you unwrap the seemingly balanced appearence of this video it is an absolutely absurd accumulation of arguments to make pro-brexit-voters feel good in the aftermath. oh dear, whatever happened to all of you in this video that you are so angry? i do not regognise this half of europe anymore. what are your ideals?
So Immigration from 3rd world countries is good, really? Who for? The unskilled immigrant labourer is going to be a drain on resources and will not integrate easily and will suppress the income of indigenous unskilled labour. Third world brain drain and skilled worker immigration will leave behind a poorer country. The west creates 3rd world poverty by removing those resources that allow 3rd world countries to develop. And not all 3rd world countries are outside of Europe. And we throw money at them whilst keeping them poor. Capitalism at it's best. There is enough money in the world to eradicate poverty , Greed is the driving force behind immigration on an individual and National level. Remove poverty and you promote peace. Wealth and stability would remove the need to immigrate or become a refugee. Leave the clever people in their own countries so as to build successful nation states thereby increasing the global market and consolidating true diversity . This should be the goal of the UN. Immigration is a stumbling block for Humanity. The NHS is or was, a medical college that trained Commonwealth citizens to practice medicine in their own countries the result of which was an increase in standards of health and hygiene across the commonwealth raising the potential for 3rd world countries to eradicate poverty. It was a good start, The EU made us abandon this as a condition of joining. Capitalism at it's best.
Good post, thanks for it. "Capitalism at it's best"... no, more like corpratocracy fused with globalized neoliberalism helped by a centralized bureaucratic EU that is anti nation state. Leftists have to get a grip of themselves, they sold out Brexit through fear and hatred.
@@robertjohnson9565 Your welcome and thanks for not screaming xenophobic racist, and yes, what you said, capitalism can do better and with a dash of altruism and a social conscience, what need for bureaucracy?
I am in the wrongest of wrong meeting: Brexit silly people looking for validation for making a HUGE error? Some folks just like to feel like they have an axe to grind. This decade and the previous 4, it's been ''foreigners and anyone who's not me's'' fault.... Brexit means stupid. Self authorship can co-exist with broader government, but I know that involves being interested in the concept of thinking creatively and without fear, so I won't hold my breath.
From an American point of view, the EU and England/Britain always appeared like the 13 colonies and England but without the sovereign attachment and lack of military enforcement of laws. It's a governmental power in an entirely foreign location that you have no real say in but has control over you.
@@hayleylongster4698 Not saying they can't. There are good careers to be had from the analysis of the psychology and the subsequent predicted voting patterns.
Ella Whelan is the kind of person to make myself cringe. I knew Britts are suicidal, but I had to see with my own eyes the full depth of British ineptitude, narcissism and self-delusion.
What is Ella Whealan on about with MPs and the Media being against a Leavers? It’s the 48% of ordinary people who were the forgotten and it’s us regular people who hate Leavers’ nationalistic opinions. It’s very difficult living in the UK at the moment - their views and lack of empathy are soul destroying.
Dan McCarthy I didn’t vote either way as I live overseas and think in principle the EU is a great idea....just run by poor politicians.....however, I will say that if you go on Twitter then the most abusive, divisive and antagonistic comments come from remain voters.
@@Chris-oz9qx I recently come back from living overseas. On Facebook, Leave.eu page is just full of hatred and contempt for the EU, Muslims and Remainers - Hang'em, traitors, communists, Nazis.... On Twitter, the retaliation from Remainers has become more vociferous. It's easy to get caught up in the intolerance. With so much as stake, and with so much to lose - livelyhoods and our whole way of life is one the line, it's no wonder the country is so divided. I don't see any way back from here. The first Leaver in the video spoke quite intelligently and there are some good articles from Leaver perspectives. The EU is an amazing concept. The UK government is inept. The Media is overall anti EU. We've never really sold the benefits of the EU, of a supranationalism body.
@@danmccarthy2906 Man, the only advantage to supranationalism is higher boots and bigger fists. Facebook etc does not represent. Go down the pub or engage with some oap's at the shops. Heath kept the EU nightmare a secret from the British people, now the genie is out, get with it. The EU is sci fi and crippling Europe.
@@SAHBfan The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Express, The Daily Telegraph and now the Financial Times.... Britain's biggest circulating newspapers by readership aren't pro Brexit??? Typical Leaver mentality - 'I'm a Leaver, I'm so oppressed, everyone is against me, the establishment are against us...' It's just populist mantra.
Racism has become the boogie man hiding under the bed.
Its honestly entertaining that people today are so blindly afraid of "being racist" that we literally can't have the necessary talks we need to have.
What the fuck happened to this world...
violent racisum exists in the uk . those of us who must endure it from our fellow citizens must be wary at all times . sry but thats is a fact of life for many british born people .
And the name of one of those boogie men............ Monroe Bergdof!!!! Openly racist, happy to use children to push political genders. Fucking disgrace.
@Matthew Morton "What the fuck happened to this world..." - Simple. It got filled to the brim with imbeciles...
This has got to be the most informed and intelligent video I have seen on Brexit. Well done guys.
We voted leave. We HAVE to leave! To not leave is to ignore democracy. You dont have to be a political scientist to work that one out!
I disagree with the bit when the host at 17.35 or so says ""when you get a group of people together who go "we are white, we identify as being white", it tends to end in camps".
I guess he's referring to the Nazis here. But the main victims of the Nazis were also white people. Not only millions of Jews, but also millions of Slavs slaughtered in the march East and all the other different groups and individuals during those years.
That sort of comment, even though I don't think the host means any malice by it, reads to me as if all white people are supposed to take some responsibility for what the Nazis did, or at least be wary of the way we think because of what they did. Even the victims, or those that gave their lives to oppose what the Nazis stood for because - hey we are all white.
Alex M I get what he’s trying to say, but it’s not a good way of saying it. Large scale tribalism tends to end badly for everyone regardless of skin color. The Rwandan genocide in the 1990s was one of the worst in recent memory & both the victors and victims were black.
Don't forget the the English invented the camps
I found the host saying that line about the camps very irritating, and it's that kind of attitude that makes the entire subject toxic. If somebody identifies as black, nobody immediately alludes to the Rwandan genocide and implies that that will be the inevitable result of having some sense of identity as black, but for some reason if a white person identifies as white people will fall over themselves to start crying 'Nazi'. I thought the guest did very well in immediately setting him straight.
point being is that far right extreemist seem to be white . while radical fudementalists are both brown and white and equally evil .
Funny that, I assumed he was referring first and foremost to the British invention of the concentration camps in South Africa. Or is this still a taboo subject among Brits?
Rapidly becoming my favourite channel. Good range of people that I don't always agree with but nearly always make me think. keep up the good work god bless and all the best to you and your loved ones for the new year.
"That nasty cultural stuff".. I'm wondering why to the ideology-blinded left, "cultural stuff" is simultaneously "nasty" when it's Western or more narrowly, say, "British" or "Polish" and yet fawned upon assiduously to the point of insistence on uncompromising prioritisation whenever it's not? To the point, in fact where many within indigenous Western populations now perceive (and fiercely resent) that it's they who, within their own lands, appear to be expected by their own bien pensant political and social elites to make 100% of any concessions required to accommodate incoming migrant groups.
People who in marked contrast have been told repeatedly that they, c/w their pre-existing lifestyles and traditions have every right to insist upon BEING accommodated totally on their own terms. Even, in extreme cases of leftist salad-bowl multiculturalist zeal, to the extent of their being assured they have no obligation even to attempt to learn the language of the country to which they've elected to move.
And then the more self-righteously sententious sort of metro-middle GROLI wonders why national populism has gained so much traction and, in stereotypical half-arsed Guardianista style, concludes it must be because all the "awful white proles" are just ghastly racists.
They dont know what they want because they have no identity. Theyve been stripped of moral responsibility. Culture implies a set of rules, moral codes, and leftists believe there is no right and wrong. This leaves them empty and devoid of purpose so they easily grab onto ideologies. The only times they get cultural pride, which is more like arrogance at that point, is when they see other people having a healthy amount. It makes them feel self-conscious, jealous, and competitive.
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I think the fundamental reasons for this situation are the loss of the things which used to be considered the pillars of society and the nation, the things that provided people with fundamental meaning, identity, security: family, church, secure, life-long employment, a safe and cohesive community with a common language and culture, a strong country with strong borders, defended by a robust military, and a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy that represented the views of the country.
All of these things have been eroded and taken away. People are left feeling adrift, rootless, weak and vulnerable, both from a lack of educational and economic opportunity, a the sense that their country is open to anyone, which makes things confusing with regard to who and what you identify with, an inability to change things through the ballot box, and a general spiritual vacuum. People fill this vacuum and try to forget about it with booze, drugs, sex, shopping, make-up, football, junk food etc., but these things don't provide any long-lasting satisfaction, and even make you worse off, mentally, spiritually and health-wise. There's now an ugly backlash against this with a shallow, jingiostic, spiritually defunct and aggressive nationalism rearing its head.
This situation is only going to get worse until the country is fundamentally reformed, and the institutions of state are strengthened, along with a merit-based education system, restoration of community policing, and secure employment (especially restarting industry and strengthening the military).
While I feel your points this is all a bit vague. What has this to do with Brexit? How is Brexit going to solve things? Anybody who at least educated themselves about this topic would've known that e.g. in the case of immigration leaving the EU would just mean fewer European migrants and more Commonwealth migrants. With all due respect, I'm not so sure that the latter will help with the question of identity and stuff.
I was asked; & I voted leave. And if I am asked again; I will vote leave. And if we don't leave; I will vote for the Party that supports my vote to leave. And if we still do not leave - I will exercise my right to fight for Democracy. Not one of these "experts" have mentioned my reason for voting to leave.
Soviet Union Jack Completely agree... I voted for less government, less politicians and less taxes.. seems perfect sane to me! They should of put that on the ballot paper.
A) More government, more politicians and more taxes.
B) Less government, less politicians and less taxes.
I also believe 27 doors close, 167 doors open. They where stifling us by not allowing us to trade with the world.
Anyway nice to see apprenticeships making a huge comeback. Nice to see a future for the children. ;)
@@ryan3730 Would be funny if this would be so nice. The 167 doors have noticeably not the most interest in doing dealings with the UK, especially in the event of a no deal.
You know, I'm bedazzled how people can still fall for this propaganda stuff 4 years after the referendum and be so resistant to facts. But then I'm also not surprised why there is a correlation between Libertarian ideas and conspiracy theories.
As someone who has lived and worked mostly outside the UK my view of Remainers is that they have no idea that Britain has a distinct culture... and that “multi-culture” is no culture and as such is destroying what makes the British such a great nation - that people want to emigrate to it!
There’s nothing wrong with having a culture, ones own values, norms and mores. Everyone would agree that a football team should have a good team culture to be a winning club; and that a business organisation set out its culture to outcompete the competition. It’s not about preventing immigration. It’s about preserving British culture; making it clear that if you live in Britain, you abide by its culture ... just like I have to do in every African and Asian country in which I live and work. The problem is that the elites of this country don’t care about British culture ... and are quite willing to throw it away because they haven’t a clue what it is...because they mostly live behind high walls, large amounts of green, and enclosed the sheltered employment bubbles of academia, Westminster and the media.
A moderate voice looking at both sides of an issue , a refreshing change.
It's why I subscribe.
Keep going good job guys.
The immigrant part of the problem cannot be bigger then the problem it’s self.
Actually, that’s incorrect. This is because there are multitude of reasons for this feeling. For example, migrants pay £19billion less in taxes then they cost the government, so not only are they causing more strain, they are paying less.
Coupled with the fact that the NHS has had to spend £100 million on translators as the migrants have been slowing up hospital waiting times due to poor grasp of the English language.
Too many angry people in this country, it's turning it into a place I don't recognise.
Given by the sound of your name, you are on the side of the angry
@@ryan7775 really why that? I'm not I just depressing that reality fly's straight over the heads of many people.
United States is a "superstate" ruled from Washington and it's the powerful country in the world. But very strangling leavers don't this country and how bad that superstate might be?
Instead most leavers kiss the arse of anything American!
@Jim fallow Russia does not provide a welfare system to maintain basic living standards, most EU countries do this.
On the preparations to park tens of thousands of lorries et al for a no deal quit. I voted in 1975 with 67.23% of the Electorate to Stay for ever not to be a Quitter with 396 MP'S against 170 after Wilson renovated the EEC agreement he said had 'substantially succeeded.' Since Thatcher's handbag brought other improvements for us. This vote did not have Benito Trump AKA Adolf Twitler and a octopus of billionaires in other countries or hostile powers as Adolf Putin overwhelming the internet with 'fake' propaganda funding the Far Right et al. See Philip Green's the Devil's Bargain on Trump's involvement in distorting the vote. The 75 Referendum was also no mere advisory referendum as the 2916 one was but for all time as said at the time. There has been no greater perversion of our democracy EVER. Be a Stayer not a Quitter. Peter L. .
Just come across this site - like the way you allow your guests to talk and develop their arguments. Keep it up - just subscribed.
A great 2019 to you guys:
And I have an interesting insight into the “trigger” part of your show’s name.
Only term in the far left lexicon which still has it’s dictionary definition almost exactly, without being newspeak mangled to mean something else entirely...
Took me a whole weekend of going down rabbit holes and mulling over this puzzling fact, but I have the answer.
I’ll share it in the next show, show, so hurry up and release more. I enjoy them!
thank you Nic. All the best
As a follower of Triggernometry I really appreciated this collection of speakers but where was the splendid Liam Halligan? Marion
That's a very good point, Marion. We had to keep it down due to the need to be concise but Liam is indeed brilliant!
I was so happy we voted to get out of the EU!!! But never thought we'd get out, one way or another we will still be in it. Two year's of the BBC, CBI, the bias in the media, we be lucky if we get out.
Being out you will be anything but lucky. Just wait ´till chaos breaks lose.
Good for you. Now you should short the pound to cash it out
@Michael Ladomery " the BBC is giving disproportionate time to arch brexiteers" are you having a laugh?
Have you ever watched Question Time? Usually it's four remainers ( if you count Dimbleby ) to one brexiteers!
The hand picked left wing audience.
Jo Coburn at lunch time on the BBC hardly let's any one but a remainer get a point across!
Don't read many papers but if they are turning to pro brexit, then it just reflects the fact that they now at last seeing sense!
There's been lies and deliberate mistruths from both sides, but listen to Carnie, Osborne, the CBI etc etc now these are lies!
Brexit have ideologically left elements but in the reality we live in it is pure right. Given that Britain has never in it's history been very left there is no reason to believe that leaving would help the left prosper in the UK. Also, more simply, if you find yourself agreeing with Farage Gove Johnson Mogg and co then maybe you should just double check how left you think you are or at least if your views are helpful for the left!
WhyOWhy gladly! Which book do you suggest? My mother came to Britain from it’s ex-colony in cyprus in the 70s as did my best friend’s jewish family. My jamaican next-door neighbour also came in the 70s. They all describe brutal racist persecution at the hand of white brits not to mention the institutionalised racism which has been widely exposed. It seems you have an interesting idea of left wing. I associate nationalism and racism with the right wing...you know? Like all the hard brexiters. But, in the words of the great Stewart Lee, it isn’t just racists who voted Brexit.....it’s c**ts as well. :-)
@WhyOWhy here's a video you can watch in the meantime. You might find it educational. I can lend you one of the books in it too if you like: ruclips.net/video/bWirozOMAO0/видео.html
@@andrewgorman2476 institutionalised racism in which country. Brtian is not america.
Why the debate, vote to leave won.
I'm a leaver and a new sub to this channel. Thank you for this neutrality
Some people voted Leave because they believe in less government, less politicians and less taxes...
Blue passports, fish, immigrants, fish, EU army, fish, Soros, and more fish.
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What about the simple fact that we do not want to lose the UK and turn into a socialist shit hole like France or Germany?
Greeny202a Lose it to whom? The country has never been lost to begin with unless you believe the lies of the Daily Mail. France and Germany have better economies than us. So not really shitholes are they.
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France does not have a better economy than us and yes they are socialist shit holes where the will of the people is becoming more and more irrelevant.
Our sovereignty is being lost to the European Union, if you dont think so then ask yourself why the UK population was never asked if it wanted to join a political union with the other 27 until 2016. We were asked if we wanted to remain inside the EEC in 1975 and then NOTHING. Why?
We were not asked because they knew the result would be to leave regardless of economic circumstances.
"the country has never been lost in the first place"????
Just take a quick look at this -
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@@the_9ent
If the link in my last post does not work try the whole debate here -
ruclips.net/video/YI6mzHkx3xA/видео.html
Greeny202a If we were not sovereign we would not have been able to have a vote in the 70s and again in 2016. So your argument doesn’t hold up. Look at our opt outs too - no euro currency and not in schengen.
I stand corrected, France’s economy is just behind ours. However they have a more generous social welfare system. Still not shabby given your thoughts on them.
Glad to see you two still going strong !
Looking forward to more great content next year, cheers guys & happy new year !
Sorry, stopped watching after 3:20. He made many sweeping comments which were disjointed and unsubstantiated and failed to answer the question. The question was about how much has the crash in 2008 got to do with the rise in nationalism? He replied discussing his general interpretation of what every person 'on the left' thinks.
He does go on to answer the question...
you should have watched a bit longer you might learn something, He answers it by giving his interpretation about the cause of nationalism, which is to say, it wasnt the financial crisis
Did Chris Morris produce this?
I love how neutral this channel is and how unbelievably corrupt the government is
I would say the polarisation began in the mid 1990's, this is when I felt a shift, I would also say that there was a shift in the education system in the mid 1980's, I am only 9 mins in lol
Very much so. You are completely correct on both points.
Ella Whelan has the UK's best pro-Brexit figure on TV!
I agree with the first guest.. Everything is a build up and it ends up toppling over, good or bad. We have great human beings out there that watch over the checks and balances of this world.
I’m Still not convinced that No Deal Brexit is a good thing for the future of my small Business and Family.
This article - People voting leave just to kick the establishment in the nuts & others because they are afraid of immigration &/or cultural change (but not racist or Bigoted about it), or our MEPs did not make enough noise.
Is Not reassuring to me.
Do you have any reassuring links to share with me, please?
I’m looking for sensible predictions/discussions based on established facts that predict anything other a massive economic balls up post ‘No Deal’ Brexit.
Russian Troll so Im told
Societies change. It is how they stay in touch with the world and adapt to variable forces to remain healthy.
Russian Troll so Im told
In a post industrialised world. Even industry is organic. The products of industry and technology we are forced to adopt changes our culture faster than immigration ever will.
A big question in my mind is who benefits from the post EU de regulation proposed by the Brexiteer camp? Considering that regulations are most often put in place to protect society from unscrupulous actions of big business and banks...
Russian Troll so Im told
I directly benefit from free movement of labour and free trade with the EU. As do the all the other subcontractors I work with. I am no big business. That’s why I’m interested in the possible economic positives of the ‘no deal’ Brexit.
Look at the statistics and you will see that the UK benefits more from immigration than the poorer countries in the EU (who still benefit, just not quite as much). Your assertions are flawed.
I’m not getting much reassurance from this discussion. I’m looking for facts I can rely on to help provide for my family in the future.
Russian Troll so Im told
Hey I’m part of the gig economy living paycheque to paycheque, my contracts rarely last more than a couple of days. I’m not looking for excessive profits. Just some reasonable answers.
Underemployment has also been decreasing since 2012 and is at its lowest percentile since 2000.
www.businessinsider.com/uk-underemployment-since-the-great-financial-crisis-of-2008-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T
How do you connect ‘underemployment’ to being in the EU? Sounds like its more to do with shit company policies to me. Tesco is not Brussels.
How does hindering the £270 billion per year In free trade with Europe with extra boarder controls, tariffs and quotas, going to help the UK economy?
How is starving our services like NHS, care homes etc, of a pool of well trained European workers going to help anybody?
How is preventing the numerous production lines like BMW and Toyota factories that employ hundreds of thousands. From having an uninterrupted virtually instantaneous supply of parts manufactured all over Europe delivered by international couriers relying on free trade and movement to hit very tight delivery targets, going to help keep their production lines rolling in the UK?
Do you think these factory workers will be happy in Tesco or working in nursing homes?
I can continue...
The facts are simple. No scare mongering or political rhetoric required. I can’t feed my children on conspiracy theories, only honest assessment of the future.
Russian Troll so Im told
9 Billion of 270 billion is 3.33%...
Im not going to share the essay critique of your last comment. Not interested in drawn out argument.
Further article..
ruclips.net/video/UYonSZ8s3_o/видео.html
"Biggest political mandate"
Is she having a giraffe?!
More people voted for Brexit than any government in the history of the UK. She is correct. The vote was the largest and most historic democratic vote in UK history. To say otherwise is simply a denial of reality.
Greeting from California, USA. Thank you for the perspective on this issue. There is very little here about Brexit this side of the Atlantic. Thanks, guys!
Question: what is taking so long?? I'm so lost on the timeline...
Max Vincent
Follow this channel:
ruclips.net/video/FVkt2pceytg/видео.html
He’s pro brexit. He does frequent, insightful videos explaining what’s going on. He’s easy on the ears and isn’t angry in his delivery.
@@HP-fn4bo Hell, NO! Don't follow this guy. He's basically a Daily Telegraph wannabe journalist that just repeats the same propagandist, fact-free bullshit. He's the best example why the internet is a giant echo chamber.
It takes so long because you can't undo 40+ years of relationships that are deeply entwined in the UK's structures - especially if you don't have a plan, no competence, and gaslight the public.
Dohle Carnett hows that grooming gang report going? You all should really handle up on that. It’s disgraceful what the cunts in the UK left have allowed to happen to children.
@@HP-fn4bo What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with that topic. Besides that, I'm on your side in this.
I worked as a secretary in Paris and Madrid in late 1950s /1960s before we joined the Common Market. Loved it but had to have work permits - no problem. I still have several friends abroad and do speak French and Spanish. Voted Brexit - no ifs or buts. I admit I am old but not totally ignorant. Looking forward to leaving on 29 March and hope our vote isn’t overturned!
@@moonlitdesert
_"A trading, not political union they were told"_
Yeah, except the UK was ALREADY in a free trade area with the EU (back then the EEC) before 1973. So you are claiming that UK accession to the EU was about joining a free trade area when the UK was already in. How do explain that? Of curse you can't.
@@moonlitdesert In the Roman treaties from 1957 it is already stated clearly that all that was to come is to make Europe a unit. Don't wanna trigger you but this doesn't necessarily means superstate bullshit. There is something in between.
Besides that, what is actually wrong about coming together? I never hear a sufficient answer.
Superb. Excellent interviewers and guests.
Really enjoyed this video. Proper thoughts and reasoning. I think Brexit is a great folly and will in all likelihood cause tremendous harm to the UK, but that said, most of the underlying issues discussed here are completely valid and need to be tackled honestly - it’s just the destination I disagree with.
This is exactly the point. Brexit is a great folly that will solve not one of the underlying problems, in fact even make it worse.
I knew someone who wanted to change his life and break the monotony. He decided to jump out of the window from the third floor wearing wings made of wax. His business idea was to provide a winged taxi service. No one could talk him out of it, he called us whingers and other names that are too obscene to mention. He did jump, and he made a large dent on the tarmac, his widow was very sad.
@Russian Troll so Im told we know some weird people.
If you are against the idea of a one world government and see the EU as part of a growing totalitarian regime then i can understand why you would vote to leave. Some people would see it as localised power being more accountable than centralised power. If you prefer the concept of your local councillor having the power to effect your town more than the Prime Minister then it's pretty much the same principle. If you love the idea of a one world government and see it as a collaborative step towards Star Trek then i get why you voted stay.
...or there is something in between that black and white bullshit you just wrote. 'One world government', 'totalitarian regime' - did some of you people ever opened a history book? Could you please use stop use words you evidently have no clue of?
@@dohlecarnett1866 Are you dyslexic or something? What i described is an apt description of a situation, not every "totalitarian regime" or "one world government" looks the same, and not only are you late to the comment but you're also thoroughly ignorant with the "you people" as i'm one person and i am very familiar with both the terms i have used and History itself . There was even an "if" in there you prick, it was describing 2 potential outcomes, Now stop acting like wannabe intellectual and eff off!
@@tribalisnt You used some stupid trigger words to make the case that the EU is on it's way to a totalitarian super state which is simply false.
@@dohlecarnett1866 No, i presented two situations under which i think you were perfectly legitimate in making your decision to vote, depending on your philosophical worldview you could already call the EU that, if your way of life has been altered by a centralised power to the point that you feel disenfranchised then you have a case to make. You seem to have a gripe with the man in the mirror mate.
@@tribalisnt Worldview and mirrors are one thing, mate, facts are another beast altogether. I see people on the web spitting on about how abhorrent and evil 'the' EU is but I never get facts.
And none of the keyboard warriors below have any insight or solution to the Northern Ireland Border problem, just more childish variants of “We won, you lost” nonsense, like gloating about being invited to sit at the Captain’s table - Ha! - while the ship fills with water. Great.
Well, the UK has said that any problem with a border won't be on the Northern Irish end, it'll be on the EU side. Leaving without a deal makes the situation worse for the EU.
I have a suggestion: Northern Ireland can form a customs union with the UK, most of their trade is with us anyway, and that way they get to be one unified Island of Ireland. No? No, still too salty? Welp, I wonder why people on the opposing side are making the same mirrored point.
Ultimately, I think it will be fine. To suggest anything remotely otherwise is to suggest that the Irish are somehow closer to animals than human beings, in the sense that it suggests that they have no control over their natures. I think that's ridiculous. The Troubles could only exist so long as segregation and hostility was being bred in insular, inward-facing communities. Now, we've had plenty of time for things to air and plenty of time for people to understand that their neighbours ~while they might not agree with them on all topics~ are people too, and that you can interact with them and enjoy their company outside of politics. And I wouldn't say that any Northern Irish person beyond a few crackpots would say that the UK government is doing anything to "oppress" the Irish who live in Northern Ireland any more, beyond the old "My way or the highway" grievance, which is unfortunately too late to reverse now. The Scots-Irish are settled there, we have to accept this fact and make the best of it, because they were born there and raised there for their entire lives, so we somehow have to compromise from this state and get along. To do anything else would be unjust.
People in Northern Ireland are no longer segregated as they once were, and terrorism ~while it does definitely still happen by left wing (often Marxist) IRA nutjobs~ is in decline and indeed frowned upon by the vast majority of Irish and Scots-Irish people. If Sinn Fein wishes to start condoning butchery again, then I think they won't win many elections. And they'll be attacking the very people who are putting up minimal obstruction on their end, as opposed to the EU, who will be the main obstruction and therefore cause of any unrest that transpires there.
For all the comments, Specialists, politicians, public in general, as an outsider I see that Brexit has several visions depending on the speaker. There's nothing wrong in UK leaving the EEU. But the amazing issues of Brexit haven't been dealt with. Before article 50 was triggered, there should have been a study of what does it mean to each one of the Brexitiers. Then create a good plan for Brexit. The EEU has many flaws and issues that needs to be addressed, but the main issues in UK are not based on the EEU, but the inability of UK Politicians to address the British citizens issues. Many times I saw that when something goes wrong automatically it's EEU's fault. If a good law is adopted by the EEU and UK uses it, it's the UK Politicians that though about it and implemented it. Many of the people Brexitiers and remainers don't know anything about the EEU or how it works. Information is essential to make a good decision. After you have all the facts correctly and all the information, then what you decide is your responsibility for it's consequences, Otherwise it's just beliefs and everyone shouts but no one is right.
While I disagree about leaving - it is wrong because it solves no problem, enhances problems and will weaken all of Europe - I think your post is spot on. Basically, this is happen everywhere in Europe (sadly):
Something good happens, it happend because nation state X fought it off the EU.
Something bad happens, it was all the EU's fault (which included nation state X in the decision making but nevermind).
I'm so sick that people choose to be ignorant of this.
This is a great example of how our politics is broken. We still talk in the left/right of nineteenth century industrial society where our current political parties evolved. Problem is we are evolving into the information society with different social fracture lines which our political parties do not reflect. So the major fracture lines of today run through the heart of our parties, paralyzing them.
I've only voted for Referendums since 1973.
Much like Ella, I've spoiled my ballot for all local and national political party votes since 73
A new box is needed on all voting forms with "none of the above" written beside it as I can see no other way of rebooting the system.
@martin corderoy Imagine a system where the candidates are hand picked and have to be EU supporters to even stand a chance of getting on the list. If I look at local councils they are nigh all for remain. I can look back over the previous years door knockers at election times, and how many weren't prepared for my question, leave or remain?
With the youth being brainwashed at schools and Colleges since the late 70's, the time was running out for effecting any change.
We can see in the National Archive the total deceit that was planned from day one, we can read someones question,
"Can we leave", the answer, "we hope it's too late when they ask", "too late?", " yes we hope our legal team has moved to Brussels by then, and there will be no one here legal, to ask the question of".
In the document any EU rule or law trumps any local one, so our legal team hasn't moved to Brussels, gradually our laws and rules are being swamped by Brussels ones, and our team have less to do.
Because where we are up to now has nothing to do with Brexit at all...we are in a dreadful state caused by the greed of the banking system which is now closed for business and is sticking two fingers up at everyone.
Almost everyone I know isn't doing very well at all and I now live in a town which is regarded by the Financial times and the institute for fiscal studies as the most deprived in England.
And by the way 17.1 Million people voted to leave the EU.
I don't remember a deal option of any sort being on the ballot paper.
It was either Leave or Remain
Commentator 1 - main flaw in the argument is that 2008 is not a watershed. The issue is that systematic underfunding for education, housing and social infrastructure began in 1979.
Life is pretty unfair.. between the haves and the have nots and the ones in the middle... but there are a few days when there is absolute equality... when my vote is as good as yours and vice versa... that’s why when Remainers refused to accept the result of the referendum it was so insulting
LOOK AT FF THE TUBBY LARD!
not everything about the eu is bad. the thing is you can take the good bits out of the eu and make it appy in britain and leave the bad bits behind. only if you have self rule, if you stay, you have to take the bad with the good
Why can’t we agree to trade with the right assurances,we don’t need to be politically tied to anybody apart from our own four countries.
Oh you can trade, everyone can trade with everyone. The question is under what terms. And the bigger you are, the more favourble the terms are. As simple as that. There is a reason why teams and alliances form: the participants believe that they can get more together than on their own.
When the elites betray their own,
somebody (SOMEBODY) eventually goes down; and not always the 🐀...
I call a person from Berlin a EU citizen
He calls me (from Italy) a EU citizen
People in UK call both of us EUmigrants jumping queues.
I am sorry for the UK, but you have to go.
It's what UK citizens wanted, less than 3 months AND counting, BRILLIANT
The bit about EU citizens sounds nice. But looked what happened in the Euro crisis, for example. The Germans and the Greeks weren't calling each other "fellow EU citizens" then. The Germans were calling the Greeks lazy and corrupt. And the Greeks were calling the Germans Nazis. You may be an exception, but national priorities are still very important for most people.
The EU willl collapse under the weight of its own corruption. Britain will leave before the shit hits the fan and every nation in the EU will suffer.
@@astrophonix More likely the UK will collapse. Just sayin. Since the 1950s the EU is about do collapse. Anytime soon, eh?
I feel you, mate. I have an English girlfriend and I love Britain, it is such a wonderful country, but this whole rhetoric, this verbal abuse of people like us is abhorrent to me. (And it also shines are light to all those liars who say that they apparantley 'love Europe but hate the EU' - well, no.)
Happy New Year Triggers!
They're making the divorce seem complicated to put people off ? I'm not sure that's right .. we got entwined so completely with the EU that disentangling may take a long time. Come April how many issues will surface ? I'm a Remainer but not a Remoaner.
No, a divorce is complicated by nature.
I do agree with the opinion that many people voted for Brexit because it was the first time they were given a choice to vote for something real in their lifetime. I don’t agree with the reasoning and stance of that. But what is the difference between right and left in a modern world? A few percentile points in tax, I can still live in that world without getting involved.
Not entirely true. When the UK went in in 1975, we went in as TRADING PARTNERS ONLY, not to have laws legislation and directives imposed on our country, not to be told who we can pick and choose to come into our country and who we cannot refuse entry to, not to be dictated to, not to be told how to run our penal and justice systems, not to be told how we punish people who end up in trouble with the law, and other nonsense.
From trading partners to being dictated to, manufacturing becoming non existant in the UK, open borders and freedom of movement plus hinderless borders, the EU has been empire buiding and growing to become a giant overcontrolling dictative monster that the UK can DO WITHOUT and we voted to split and leave, and it's happening in less than 3 months.........and counting, suck it up buttercup, like it or not!
anthony perkins - well, look at your representative government, do you want to give more power and control to those useless cunts? Why? It is all very well giving a speech, but without direct examples it is meaningless. Here is one, abolishing roaming charges, a very good thing. When we go to the EU on holiday we pay the same as we do here, but when a friend texts you on holiday from the U.K. they will still be hit with an inflated charge, why? Because the EU did their bit for you but your local government still acts in the interests of vast profits for corporations. Those regulations will affect you if you are in or out. Look at something like restricting power on vacuum cleaners, outside EU regulation we could still make high wattage cleaners that are bad for the planet and our hearing, and we could buy them, but you have no export market with the single biggest trading bloc in the world. So these silly little regulations will affect you either way - it is a very poor argument.
Nazis were German nationalist, not white nationalists, White nationalism is more an American thing, where in USA all the white ethnicities were mixed together through immigration.
Francis is that bloke who spends all day regarding himself middle class until he gets to the pub where he amps his cockney accent up, I know so many 'Francis' types, they mirror whoever they're talking to but ask them who THEY are and turn into a gibbering mess
I'd love to see a Matt Goodwin David Goodhart conversation
Where does the idea that the majority stand is being demonized come from? I am aware of the use of "remoaners" and "remaniacs" monikers. Does some comparable insult to Brexiteers even exist?
racists, bigots, fascists, Nazi's, far right, intellectually challenged backwards people....the mainstream media is unarguably against Leave
This reminds me of the videos moss from the IT Crowd made with his friends about games...
I feel sorry for all those small businesses that will be screwed if we remain in the EU or if they vote in Mays deal which effectively keeps us in the EU, why I hear you all saying its because they are going to force all those small businesses that don't have to pay VAT to pay it. Not our government but the EU are bringing this in in 2019 which was hushed up by the press in December when the news was broken, it was given a btw this is gonna happen and then not mentioned again in the BBC news.
From what I have read; heard the EU is poorly designed from same argument types going on now among founders. Different interest groups wanting a advantage. I think most people voted against because its a second governing body they do not directly vote for. The EU interest seem mostly in London with its financial market. I also can't imagine what a second vote would mean; vote again if you don't like the first results?
I would've rather proposed from the start on that the Brexit decision had to happen in referendums there should've been a series of referendums like 3 or so. All would've followed up on the outcome because this question is way to complex to deal with it in one go.
You see now that the public is gaslighted. NOBODY talked about a no deal WTO Brexit. That includes all the dudes who'll now profit from desaster capitalism, e.g. Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg etc.
thanks for informing and educating me about a subject that has bothered me...
Edit; I rescind my initial post, below. I just took him 5 minutes to finally loop around and actually answer it, more or less corroborating what I said.
I don't think the first guest answered the first question exactly, which was an amazing question and one I've been wondering myself and pondering frequently.
But, in the Aughts GB had really good economic growth.
Then the US markets crashed in 08, which brought down world markets in 09.
And now that everyone is effectively out of the recovery process, GBs growth is about 40% of what it was before the crash.
While the crash is very obviously not the sole reason, would it not be the foundation upon which was built the current Political climate GB finds itself in today?
The people who got "spoiled" by benefiting from that pre-crash growth are "nostalgic" for those old days where they had more money, and now that we are post-crash and they aren't making as much, nor projected to be any time soon, that general dissatisfaction was "weaponized" (for lack of a better term), leading to Cameron succumbing to whim and staging an ill-conceived referendum, leading to an ill-conceived out-come, leading to an ill-conceived execution of that outcome, leading to the cesspool GB finds itself in as of the time this video went up?
I can only say that I strongly acknowledge that financial crashes, sanctions, military defeats and austerity imposed on populations,
will lead to wars, right-wing sentiment and brexit.
We can look at what were the main causes that lead to ww2, only to realize the obvious.
Britain has just declared war on Europe.
I do not say this likely however, I would like to leave the reader of this note with a question.
If a disagreement between two individuals can be considered to be the start of a war, what do you make of disagreements between countries?
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GB is a tiny country in a big world. Your great history - is history. You won't survive alone.
And your point is exactly?
@@andrewuk2683
Get yourself a brain and might understand.
The UK coped before the EU, we can easily do so again....
@@andrewuk2683 You will survive - but for the most of you it means less income, less work. There are a few big economic blocs - USA, China, EU,...the make the rules. And we all have to follow. You have no power of negotiation - the last two years have given proof to that.
You want a white ethnostate, with a few foreigns if they earn loads, but not too many.
And you want an ethnostate with an underclass
The way forward is *absolutely clear,* protect our *sovereignty* and *what we hold dear,*
Ignore the propaganda of *project fear,* and, keep our *£39BN each year.*
#WTOrules
We've already made a democratic decision, don't 'break democracy' by asking us again.
- Nothing is clear since, well, the UK governments doesn't even have bloody storage space to deal with this.
- If you are afraid of immigration have fun with the non-EU immigrants who bascially balanced out the numbers of EU nationals leaving the UK.
- Project Fear is bascially Project Reality because, well, it worked.
- The EU already got more money than the 39 billion pounds. Also Boris caved in on all the other demands.
- You really have no clue what WTO rules are. Have fun with Argentina!
@@dohlecarnett1866
- Storage for what? This is nonsensical.
- Fear of immigration is a projection of remoaners who desperately cry racism. No 'fear' or racism here! Points based system, here we go!
- I think you'll find Project Fear didn't work. Despite massive, illegal, additional funds, The People still voted to leave and this feeling has grown at every voting opportunity since.
- You may be correct - I know treacherous remoaning scum in the civil service and government have/had loyalty to the eu instead of their voters.
- You're right, I don't have a working knowledge of WTO law.s However, I understand other eu trading partners don't need a 'level playing field' for their FTA. Remoaners don't even seem to understand this basic point.
@@TheDruidKing - Storage for the stuff you need to hold for tariff checks.
- Points based is something the UK government could've introduced decades ago, within the EU or without. EU citiziens contribute to the wealth of the UK as they have to give proof of job and residence and stuff.
- Project Reality already is true because of the assets that left - while the UK was still EU member! Let's wait till Jan 2020.
- Loyality to the EU, eh? So to other states you mean? Because there is not 'the' EU.
- The level playing field is in place because the UK does most of it's trade with the EU/common market. Of course there are other rules for let's say Japan which is at the end of the fuckin world and doesn't have 1/3 of the access the UK had/still has/needs to have.
I'd say stick to your druid shit, mate, because you have no clue about economics or political economy.
@@dohlecarnett1866
- Holding goods? This was the case in the 80s. Look at other countries import procedures and even our own for non-eu imports!
- Incorrect. The EU stole control of our borders.
- Wait until Jan 2020? What time is it where you are? You'll need to accept Brexit is happening.
- Loyalty to any foreign power before the UK is traitorous.
- The level playing field isn't and won't be in place. The EU is a protectionist racket.
- You say a lot of things that are inaccurate.
@@TheDruidKing Dude, as I said, please stick to your druid shit:
- The UK No Deal Brexit will break up the just in time production. Therefore, it needs storage space to check incoming goods. This will lead to a decrease and rise in prizes. This is #logic.
- No, the EU didn't stole control of your borders. In fact, it even protected your borders. As part of the EU, France for example hindered illegal migrants to access the UK via the Eurotunnel.
- Brexit happened, you guys are out, and some people think: for the better. Jan 2021 - my mistake - is when the effects of Brexit will be actually tangible.
- Which foreign power, you moron? The EU is a club of DIFFERENT STATES where the UK was part of. Stop reading your fuckin tabloids. Are you proud being brainwashed?
- The level-playing field will happen because the UK NEEDS the Europen market. Geography dictates it, economics dictate it, logic dictates it. Unicornland my ass. You can have sex with your sovereignety for all that I care, it won't change the facts that the UK is now a state between the power blocks who'll have to eat the meals others prepare.
- Oh, I say things that inaccurate? Coming from YOU? Point them out. With facts. Otherwise, you are juse another deluded internet troll who can't be taken seriously.
I voted leave because there are too many eu migrants here driving down wages, refusing to speak English, turning the UK upside down with weird products, Polski Sklep, and refusing to fit in generally. Sooner we get out THE BETTER and it's coming hooray!
Yes I see how you Brits fit in Spanish society Costa del sol has become a second Britain with beens on tost shops. You are ignorant. All foreigners remain together and have there own clubs and food shop allover the world. Grow up learn you have one life on this planet. Learn
Share and share alike, niceness to Epoo migrants, blah blah blah, fuck off open border "love thy neighbour" italian owned American car Jeep crap!!!!!
@@anthonyperkins7556
You're a parody of the brainless bovine brexiter. You don't even know that EU immigrants subsidise you.
@@BlunderCity WHEN WE LEAVE SHITTY EUROPE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHO SHOULD COME HERE, AND REJECT WHO SHOULD NOT COME HERE BASED ON SKILLS, CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS, FINANCIAL SITUATION, ACCOMMODATION SITUATION, WHETHER YOU HAVE A JOB TO COME TO OR NOT, WHETHER YOUR PEOPLE CAN SPEAK ENGLISH, WHETHER YOUR PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED PASSPORT AND VISA FRAUD, AND YOUR PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES HERE WILL BE ABLE TO BE REMOVED AND DEPORTED WITHOUT THE PROTECTIONS OF EUROPEAN LAW YOU CURRENTLY LIVE UNDER.
@@anthonyperkins7556 Dude, the numbers of EU migrants gone down but the numbers of the non-EU migrants gone up. Your government is doing exactly nothing against this. Have fun.
Tick this box if you don't like immigrants. It was just a simple choice for most people.
Nothing to do with disliking immigrants at all, we just wanted stricter controls over who comes in and we send back based on job skills, a persons criminal convictions, financial situation, whether they can speak English or not, whether they have a job to come to, and other essential requirements. Nothing to do with racism etc.
@@anthonyperkins7556. I speak to people at work and even family members, and it always boils down to the same thing. It's obvious no matter how you dress it up.
@Richard ricsko. Sorry you feel like that. I expected the 21st century to be an age of enlightenment. Oh well, perhaps the 22nd.
@@Geffo555 hey, there are people whom for that was a or the main reason but, please don't put that on those good folk for whom that was not any reason at all. It's a strange and polarizing time, putting people in groups like that and assuming your worst fears are their motivation isn't going to help. There are many nuances to this
@@overcoercion590. Are you referring to those who believed the lies about money for the NHS? And if you reread my leading comment you'll see that I said MOST people. Who the heck understood WTO commerce? Who understands it now? The average person was just triggered by LEAVE's threats of a tsunami of immigrants from Turkey and beyond. TICK THIS BOX IF YOU DON'T LIKE IMMIGRANTS. Brexit in a nutshell.
first 4 mins is a straw man of the Left position
It's not possible to strawman the left. The left are terminally fucked and have become the new fascists And everyone except the left can see this.
There was a vote leave that’s all that matters democracy must prevail. We had a 9 million pound leaflet Stating this . Leave means leave.. or yellow vests take power ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️
The Yellow Vests are no longer considered to be citizens wanting to protect their rights but a horde of thugs out for disruption and destruction.
Trump got elected on populistic policies but is struggling to get his wall implemented. Of course Brexit isn’t about populism is just that our government is incapable of listening to the will of the people. The fact that it looks like an impossible ask is mere details.
Power to the people.
Mikey Mike
As an American
Perhaps similar to Brexit Trump was elected to build a wall but details mater.
Major part of our southern border is a river. Do we build wall to keep out southern ranchers from the river?
How about wildlife trying to get to river.
I guess it would be like building wall along your beaches.
Also we have mountains. Wall not needed but if promised, must we follow through.
Now our border security say tall iron fencing is preferable. Concrete wall was promised. Many people aren't happy, they want concrete wall.
At some point reality must overrule exact wording of mandate. I think.
@@irishjim2255 and the most important part, Mexico was supposed to pay for that wall
The 2nd and 4th guests were both very good.
Whats that lighting???? I^ve seen hostage videos that are better lit.
Very funny! :) This is one of the issues we'll be addressing in the upcoming Season 2 :)
What if Britain NEVER existed ?
Experts they were all experts who said it wouldn't happen but it did so .... right off
The lack of substance and knowledge from the two ardent leavers was... saddening.
Happy new year gentlemen.
you too, thank you for watching
Who's the butch and who's the bitch?
Cards on table, I voted remain. So it's an interesting video, but not for positive reasons. Ella for example seemed to say that she voted Leave because it was a chance for a radical shift towards the left. This does not play well with me. It's idealistic, "at any cost" thinking. I'm left of centre and find the far left almost as toxic as the far right.
There was also no discussion of the benefits being in the EU. And it feels a bit like the focus being on "Why people voted for it" was a deliberate attempt to sway any conversation away from that. The comedian at the end rightly states that we need immigration, but misunderstood the difference between working and living in the EU and working and living in the US. Of all the guests he was the only one I actually disliked.
I don't want to write pages here, so my final criticism is that people who voted remain were hugely misrepresented in this video and their actual opinions excluded. One of the very real risks of Brexit is trade. There seems to be little to no understanding of what WTO terms means or how trade blocs work. Negotiating a deal with the US for example will require huge concessions because we don't have clout. Trump doesn't even want to do a deal because "We've done it with the EU". One of the reasons the US liked the UK was for its access to the EU. So the concessions would include the high fear items like low quality food, but also things like further opening up the NHS to American health providers.
It's a video about why people voted to leave... Of course the opinions of people who voted remain are excluded.
@@triggerpod Is there a video of why people voted to remain? Just asking because the whole debate about why leave voters voted that way is so much done by now. An actual debunking video would be good because that's what I miss when I look at this whole UK debate. The sheer ignorance about how the EU, WTO and all that works is simply absurd.
I think it is unnecessary to present guests before they even said anything interesting. At that point noone cares who they are. When they say something we can see if the content makes us want to know more about the speakers and if so, we can check them out on google :)
UK should engage in a prolonged and extensive trading relationships with large economies like China, India, Brazil and South Africa.
nope.
@Russian Troll so Im told True, UK should join the one belt one road initiative by China.
@Russian Troll so Im told So by that definition... why should any of those countries trade with UK?
There is nothing to stop them trading now. If they don't want to buy our shit it has nothing to do with EU.
The whole of African output = half that of France dimwit.
We are living in times whereby communication and information has never been easier, where the lazy and stupid who have never read a book in their lives watch a you tube video and think themselves informed.
I am not condemning just young people, I had to explain to my father in law that the video about a 250 year old man was fake.
if you unwrap the seemingly balanced appearence of this video it is an absolutely absurd accumulation of arguments to make pro-brexit-voters feel good in the aftermath. oh dear, whatever happened to all of you in this video that you are so angry? i do not regognise this half of europe anymore. what are your ideals?
So Immigration from 3rd world countries is good, really? Who for? The unskilled immigrant labourer is going to be a drain on resources and will not integrate easily and will suppress the income of indigenous unskilled labour. Third world brain drain and skilled worker immigration will leave behind a poorer country. The west creates 3rd world poverty by removing those resources that allow 3rd world countries to develop. And not all 3rd world countries are outside of Europe. And we throw money at them whilst keeping them poor. Capitalism at it's best. There is enough money in the world to eradicate poverty , Greed is the driving force behind immigration on an individual and National level. Remove poverty and you promote peace. Wealth and stability would remove the need to immigrate or become a refugee. Leave the clever people in their own countries so as to build successful nation states thereby increasing the global market and consolidating true diversity . This should be the goal of the UN. Immigration is a stumbling block for Humanity. The NHS is or was, a medical college that trained Commonwealth citizens to practice medicine in their own countries the result of which was an increase in standards of health and hygiene across the commonwealth raising the potential for 3rd world countries to eradicate poverty. It was a good start, The EU made us abandon this as a condition of joining. Capitalism at it's best.
Good post, thanks for it.
"Capitalism at it's best"... no, more like corpratocracy fused with globalized neoliberalism helped by a centralized bureaucratic EU that is anti nation state.
Leftists have to get a grip of themselves, they sold out Brexit through fear and hatred.
@@robertjohnson9565 Your welcome and thanks for not screaming xenophobic racist, and yes, what you said, capitalism can do better and with a dash of altruism and a social conscience, what need for bureaucracy?
I am in the wrongest of wrong meeting: Brexit silly people looking for validation for making a HUGE error?
Some folks just like to feel like they have an axe to grind. This decade and the previous 4, it's been ''foreigners and anyone who's not me's'' fault....
Brexit means stupid.
Self authorship can co-exist with broader government, but I know that involves being interested in the concept of thinking creatively and without fear, so I won't hold my breath.
Bigot
@@lollypton4572 one word troll.
@@garyreynolds5733 Four words - Deluded Remain Bum Wizard
@@lollypton4572way funnier
From an American point of view, the EU and England/Britain always appeared like the 13 colonies and England but without the sovereign attachment and lack of military enforcement of laws. It's a governmental power in an entirely foreign location that you have no real say in but has control over you.
I would any there are remainers., and brexiteers on the left and right, probably more on the right. So what dose that mean?
what was with the costume changes at the beginning? it got very annoying
Excellent video.
thank you!
But there are no experts on this subject! So why are you pretending there are?
cool video, liked & subscribed.
Waysists
What is scientific about politics ?
Data science and psychology
@@dcarbs2979 Can both easily be manipulated to fit a narrative.....
@@hayleylongster4698 Not saying they can't. There are good careers to be had from the analysis of the psychology and the subsequent predicted voting patterns.
I just took it off 666 thumbs up. Didn't like the implication.
BRITAIN for the BRITISH no brainer
Oh nice Flat out Nazi vocablular is it now.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 being British is a state of mind not a skin color so you can stick that NAZI shit up your own arse
@@andrewstout4220 National socialism wasn't about skin colour either. How about you go back to history classes, seems you have skipped them.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 yep I guess I'm just STUPID but luckily Moore and Moore people in GREAT BRITAIN are getting DUMBER every day.
@Russian Troll so Im told I thought I was going to get the full NPC shame game. Thanks for the heads up HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and yours
Blimey time hasnt been kind to this.... Project Fear=Prooject Fact....
Depressing analysis.
What a load of opinionated codswallop. Don't waste your time.
Ella Whelan is the kind of person to make myself cringe. I knew Britts are suicidal, but I had to see with my own eyes the full depth of British ineptitude, narcissism and self-delusion.
What is Ella Whealan on about with MPs and the Media being against a Leavers? It’s the 48% of ordinary people who were the forgotten and it’s us regular people who hate Leavers’ nationalistic opinions. It’s very difficult living in the UK at the moment - their views and lack of empathy are soul destroying.
Dan McCarthy I didn’t vote either way as I live overseas and think in principle the EU is a great idea....just run by poor politicians.....however, I will say that if you go on Twitter then the most abusive, divisive and antagonistic comments come from remain voters.
@@Chris-oz9qx I recently come back from living overseas. On Facebook, Leave.eu page is just full of hatred and contempt for the EU, Muslims and Remainers - Hang'em, traitors, communists, Nazis.... On Twitter, the retaliation from Remainers has become more vociferous. It's easy to get caught up in the intolerance. With so much as stake, and with so much to lose - livelyhoods and our whole way of life is one the line, it's no wonder the country is so divided. I don't see any way back from here. The first Leaver in the video spoke quite intelligently and there are some good articles from Leaver perspectives. The EU is an amazing concept. The UK government is inept. The Media is overall anti EU. We've never really sold the benefits of the EU, of a supranationalism body.
@@danmccarthy2906 Man, the only advantage to supranationalism is higher boots and bigger fists. Facebook etc does not represent. Go down the pub or engage with some oap's at the shops. Heath kept the EU nightmare a secret from the British people, now the genie is out, get with it. The EU is sci fi and crippling Europe.
@@SAHBfan The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Express, The Daily Telegraph and now the Financial Times.... Britain's biggest circulating newspapers by readership aren't pro Brexit???
Typical Leaver mentality - 'I'm a Leaver, I'm so oppressed, everyone is against me, the establishment are against us...' It's just populist mantra.
Working class eny where