Pentecostalism
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- We look at the rise of Pentecostalism in the Protestant church and the later charismatic movement.
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A man went to the Pastor of his church and said, “I won't be attending Church anymore.”
Pator said, “May I ask why?”
He said, “I see people on their cell phones texting and typing during the service, some are gossiping, some just aren’t living right, some are sleeping, some are staring at me, they are all just hypocrites.”
The Pastor was silent. Then he said, “Can I ask you to do something for me before you make your final decision?”
He said, “Sure, what's that?”
He said, “Take a glass of water and walk around the church two times and don't let any water fall out of the glass.”
He said, “Yes I can do that!” He went and got the glass of water and walked around the church two times. He came back and said proudly, “It's done.”
The pastor asked him these questions; “Did you see anybody on their phone?; Did you see anybody gossiping?; Was anybody living wrong?; Did you see anyone sleeping?”
He said, “I didn't see anything because I was so focused on this glass, so the water wouldn't spill out”
He told him, “When you come to church , you should be just that focused on God , so that you don't fall. That’s why Jesus said, ‘Follow Me’, He did not say follow them.”
Don't let your relationship with God be determined by how others relate with God. Let it be determined by how focused you are with God.
AMEN
I wonder if I could ask the famous Rick Ross a personal question regarding his affiliation or lack of affiliation with God?
I like it.
Here is another; If you find a perfect church don't go there you'll ruin it.
I like this church because it has a lot of hypocrites so they won't mind one more.
The Church is a hospital for sinners not a country club for saints.
Hi Pat, the Rick Ross i'm referring to is famous for being perhaps the world's leading authority on deprogramming cult victims! He has gained credence and stature with a strong internet presence!
@@truethinker221 Exactly so true thinker! I think it was Groucho Marx who stated he could not be a part of any club which would have him!
Hi Rick Ross...I just saw this message/story on Facebook this week...Good story, but my thought is that the pastor still needs to check his flock. Too much stuff going on in church nowadays, it's often a distraction to people. He should consider it a coaching moment for the congregation.
I grew up apostolic Pentecostal and always heard that the difference between us and charismatic was that charismatic taught how to speak in tongues while we believed it was something that could not be taught
Chris Fields that's just weird.
@@mzeewatk846 Which part?
Of course it can be taught. After all, all it is is jibber jabber jibber. I was briefly involved in the Catholic charismatic movement and that's all I did.
@Patrick Montgomery Be honest with yourself, Pstrick. All you are doing is going jibber jabber jibber.
"How can you tell if someone is filled with the Holy Spirit? By how much they love the Catholic Church."
--St. Augustine
One cannot truly teach how to speak in tongues but guide not necessarily teach how to receive the Spirit as the original apostles had. This has never stopped, just had to go underground If you will.
The Holy Spirit became the Spirit of evangelism throughout the world, first using the apostles then the early believers until CHRISTIANITY became the Rome chosen religion and when pagan religious beliefs diluted the teachings of Jesus and the apostles because of many racism and bigotry of the Jewish troublemakers.
I have nothing but bad memories of the Pentacostal church. I remember being fearful as a child watching people speak gibberish, fall on the ground and convulse, satanic panic, conspiracy theories, armageddon etc. This fear followed me everywhere and in everything I did as a young person. Now as an adult I see the church as a emotionally manipulative mad house.
If you research and read translation by actual clergy/rabbi that speak greek and hebrew you will see that faith healing, speaking in tongues, tithing etc is all lies. RUclips rabbi tovia singer....explains with scripture in detail about these lies.
They hinted that I have a demon, gee whiz, I was born with epilepsy, shame on ya
@@VoltedSoldier You should do your own research and I am stating this in a nice way not trying to be rude. I am Pentecostal myself, I follow the Old Path not the Liberal Path. All of the things that you stated that a rabbi said it was all lies are actually not and are in the bible. First you're listening to a rabbi which doesn't even believe in the new testament or Jesus being the Messiah or son of God. Tithing is actually in the Torah which for us is the old testament. In Genesis Jacob literally made a pact with God that he was going to give the tenth percent of what God would give him if he blesses him. So is not a lie, jews are actually supposed to do tithing themselves. That's why God was calling his people thieves in Malachi ch 3 ver 8-10(in others book too God has called them thieves.) Speaking in tongues is in 1 Corinthians ch 14 ver 2-5, which explains that speaking in tongues is to speak to God not to others and no one knows what is said for it is mysteries of the spirit but it can be interpreted its in the same chapter. Speaking in tongues is a gift from the holy spirit. Healing by faith is also in the old and new testament. Read exodus 15:26, 23:25, psalms 107:19-20 plus more. In the New Testament 1 of Peter 2:24 , John 14:12 and more. So, after reading those passages let me know if you still believe they're lies :).
@@carriechapman2365 It is mentioned in Matthew ch 17 ver 14-18. A man from the crowd went in front of Jesus and stated to save his son because he has epilepsy and suffers terribly and Jesus reprimanded and a demon came out of the boy and was healed from that moment forward. I apologize if it made tou feel a type of way but whomever saud that to you should've had backed it up through the scriptures. The things that are said are said because it is written in the bible. Not saying that everyone who calls themselves a christian is one or knows about the scriptures, but that's a whole other topic. May God bless you in your journey.
I attended a Pentecostal church at an invite. Believe in God and have accepted Him in my life long ago etc …. Loved the community feel of the congregation yet the preaching was “off” and more showy and all the chaos made it hard to concentrate. Also wow. The music was uplifting yet also distracting with everyone dancing and prancing and grinding everywhere. In between my community and Baptist churches for straight up teaching I visit weekly I’ll visit them one more time
I was raised in a Pentecostal church and I just wanna say... thank you.
You have shown knowledge and wisdom about our movement. Many people misunderstand us and mock us- but you have not. You simply explained.
This is my first of yours that I have seen and I look forward to seeing your other videos. You have earned my subscription. Gracias & GBU
@Matthew Pace prove it....
@Matthew Pace Ok... let's play your silly little game, shall we?
I agree that all religions are evil and poisonous to us and to the earth... we can agree there...
Then you misrepresent the golden rule, which by the way, is older than judaism and xtianity... so again, no problem there..
Then you go on to say that all the world's bibles are full of god's truth mixed with satan's lies... here we have a problem.
If the bible is corrupt.. then where do you get your information about your god? The bible is really the only source.. the entire story comes from the bible, as full or error and contradiction as it is. However, without the bible ie: the torah and the rest of the old testament and the new testament, you don't really have any extrabiblical information about god and jesus etc... so how can you believe, without the bible? You have lost me here...
Then again, since there is no good credible evidence that a god (or gods) exist, and also no good credible evidence that satan exists.. there really is no need to play your silly little game, as it is a moot point. You can assert this crap all you like, yet, there is no foundational truth in what you claim.
The Fool says there is no God, therefore He serves only himself and fears He will answer to The Creator of All.. The Only Book is The King James.. Keep The Truth simple, like a child.. Pray in Sincerity for Yeshua, Jesus Christ to reveal Himself to you.. Study/Read and Fast.. Allow The Father to teach you in your Spirit with the Holy Spirit.. Ignore ALL Religions.. The Messiah was not Religious, He is Only Truth..👏🙏💪☝
@Matthew Pace ok.. what are the correct god's laws you are talking about, if not in the bible? How is anyone expected to follow said rules, if no one knows what they are? Since you claim to know, please let us know. I want to know what is from god and what is from Satan... please.. help me brother...
@@Justaguywithtruth you are holding up the King James version as the correct version of the bible?? Now that's a laugh... have you researched how the king james bible came to be? It dates from the early 1600s... and was created for the church of england... and is based on the textus receptus, which themselves were a translation by earlier scholars. He could have gone back to the oldest texts we had, but he did not do this.. therefore, it is not the best translation out there... thus, more apt to be mistranslation etc... in other words, not the inerrant word of god, now is it?
Wow, someone who knows there's a difference between Pentecostals and Charismatics! Love it !
God bless you my brother for the insights
Yeah! Pentecostal s have 10 more devil's than the Charasmatics.
@Rebecca Z. I agree
Interesting how ascribing demons is what Pharisee’s said about Jesus.
And both are as bad as each other..
My Grandmother was married to a Pentecostal preacher that did tent revivals throughout Texas. Her mother was black Dutch and her Dad was Irish. She married the Pentecostal preacher (an Indian and Eastern European Blend). My sister was Pentecostal and is now Charismatic. We were raised in California and everyone goes to River or Bethal type churches there in her family. I wish I could be like her. She is SO hospitable and fun loving. None of us have as large, close knit, families that seem so happy. They got something right! But I never heard you aren’t Christian if you don’t speak in tongues or prophesies from ANY Pentecostal relatives. So maybe you’re not getting that part right. My Grandparents were church of God and my Sister is not.. they all love music and worshiping. I think her children are more cool young types that practice all the gifts and are kind and artsy types that are not rigid or uptight. Sweet people. I wish I could be that good and gentle natured. My experience would say they are of great faith and sweet, modern people in their eras.
It's great listening to you. At 64, you prove it's never too late to learn more about Christianity. Thanks!
Rrqd bible miche chriswell false god challenge charismatic chaod prntacostlixm falee teaching and cstholics not christisn T all see Fred Tarsitano.
Gissie Bruh, what?
@@pessimistprime6318 I think hes practicing to speak in tounges
Have you read the Book of Mormon? 😏
You could just talk to a local united pentacostal chruch..
This is the most comprehensive and informative presentation on Pentecostalism I have come across - full of historical facts no emotional or irrational presumptions. I salute you Ryan Reeves.
Perfect example of why Christians should understand scripture so that we do not follow our favorite pastor/priest.
I went to a Pentecostal Church. The main book that they care about is Acts. I was baptized there, not in the name of the Father , The Son and the Holy Spirit, like Jesus taught, at the end of Matthew. As I was coming out of the water, they tried to coach me into speaking in tongues, but there was no one to interpret it. I watched them coach people repeatedly. Young children and teenagers especially. I had only went to that church for 2 weeks and they asked me to be baptized there. I had already been baptized, and the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. The woman there, wore dresses down to their ankles and wore no makeup and didn't cut their hair. People ran around the room. I'm speaking about adults. I no longer go to any church. I read my Bible at home. I really dislike organized religion. I love our father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
@MyTwoCents , Sounds about right! Lol
ye thats not right. i am pentacostal and have never seen or experianced that teaching toungs. toungs is both a gift and proof of being filled with the holy spirit.
Your not alone in this. 2nd Timothy 2 v 15 KJ version bible says we must study to show ourselves approved and to rightly divide th word of truth. Pentecostals stand on Acts 2v 38 and Mathew 28 v19. God has a timeline and please watch Robert Breaker "How to be saved" plus his many teaching vids. Also Pastor Rodney grace Community church on RUclips. Also Grace Ambassador's vid "To the jew first, and also the gentile" .... They have the Timeline on a chart which will clear up all the confusion if yu deligently follow it has cleared my mind and others of all the nonsense n religious traditions that we were told was right. Jesus Christ your Saviour will show and guide yu, just click on and have a note pad and pen ready 😊
Jesus wants you to be Catholic as he loves you
@@majesticallymade6177Catholism is the true faith, why dont Penecostals know this as they study the bible!
Wow, a very fair presentation! As a pentecostal pastor I am well used to intellectual slander, but who ever this man is, he has been fair and balanced in his presentation. I would like to hear more of his materials.
philipbloomfield speaking as a person attended a Pentecostal church for many years , i notice it was always attended by a lot of people who were not inclined to thinking for themselves very much
Michael Kevin Millet you think I wouldn’t have noticed if it was a Catholic Church ? What a childish question ...
I was raised Charismatic Roman Catholic. My family went through the Life in the Spirit Seminar / Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the late 70s. We attend mass every week and don’t behave any differently, treating mass with reverence since we are receiving the Eucharist. However, we attend prayer meetings with other Charismatics where we pray in tongues, sing worship songs with our hands raised and we faith share. A lot of people don’t realize that Catholics can be Charismatics too and always assume we are Pentecostal so I thought I would share what it’s like. God bless!
Must be several tensions trying to hold Rome together in your life?? 🧐
@@P.H.888 doesn't sound like it to me. It seems she's got it pretty well sorted out.
I myself watched a documentary on popes . I will never bow down to a man I watched the Pope say he was the light the truth and the way . And you cannot get to heaven unless you go through him what a joke . The bible says something about mystery Babylon and the great whore . Read this and study . God is the only way not man
Oh wow! Never knew.
Yes I understand but as long as it does not go against, sugar coat, or change the scriptures and you only believe in the truth and not in grave images bc the only we should worship is our lord in savior
Probably the best Documentary on Pentecostal movement.
Thanks and God bless you for bringing clarity to many who have no clue of Pentecostals but speak evil without investigating first.
Thank you for providing this content! I am genuinely committing to my education for basically the first time in my life and you are a superb resource. Sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Katherine,
Kudos to you for educating yourself...👍👍
I have found an on-going gaining of more knowledge from a variety different perspectives - challenging every assertion and assumption - including my own - and fully opening up my heart to God the man Christ Jesus - slowly I have cast aside the darkness of evangelical insanity and immorality.
This man is NO source.
He is a full-blown Christian Apologist. You can do much better than this guy who is very clever but surely steering toward fundamental evangelicism if not total Christian Nationalism. If that is what you want, he is the guy.
If you think and learn for yourself, you will spot guys like this a mile away.
@@Instramark what are you talking about
5 years on and your lectures are still having an impact. Im loving learning about church history. Thank you so much for your faithful research and teaching.
You are a true gift to the church.
Bless you.
What’s the church?
@@Luke-Emmanuel Read your Bible! 😃
@@noahm44 Yes, the bible that the Catholic church put together, and then protestants removed books from it.
Blinded by Satan god of This world
@@JCeelouThe Church that put the Bible together in the council of Hippo didn’t believe in Purgatory,mandatory cult of the Saints,Rosary, Papal infallibility as these things became dogmas very late. Completely different churches.
New Subscriber-for-Life! Exactly what I want: short, meaty message with clever, pertinent illustrations!
My favorite part about the Pentecostals is how diversify their congregations are. You still see that today. I’ve been to lotta denominations and I have never seen the diversity like I see in Penecostal churches or assemblies of God. I think it’s interesting that is their actual origin
Charismatic pentavostalz alo galse tez hing all ecumenicism false.
Where? I grew up in church in california and yet everyone was white....
@@gissie391 You need to stop posting because you don't make sense and nobody can understand you...
@James Ciaburri absolutely
That was a practical compromise they made, 'cause dollars (tithes, collections or offerings) only have one color...🤔
"...seem to have gone the opposite in their makeup use..." That was a sly shot! Love these videos! I feel the need to donate to help the cause.
People want an experience from God more than to experience God by word and sacrament
Ryan, thank you so much for your diligent scholarship and hard work in putting these lectures on youtube. I grew up as a missionary kid in the Assemblies of God (pentecostal) denomination and I am currently an AG minister. I think this summary of the history of the pentecostal movement is brilliantly done. I don't understand why anyone would feel like you are being critical of charismatics or pentecostals. We who have grown up in the movement are very aware of its excesses and faults (or we should be). I'm so glad I discovered your youtube channel. I also enjoyed your lecture on the Great Schism. I'm hooked and I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos. What I love about your lectures and the thing that comes through so clearly is your sincere love for the gospel and your love for the Lord! Thanks again, and keep up the amazing work!
Tim Hiatt Hi Tim I grew up in an AG church in the 60s and 70s. And I loved it. But there are no good AG churches here anymore. They for the most part have gotten away from their roots and are more involved in the seeker friendly movement. I currently attend a fundamental Baptist church which is much more the way AG use to be. What a shame
@@mrnoedahl May I ask how it has changed?
That's a total lie.
@@dawinner777 - Maybe you could be a little more specific...
@Gary Daniel Lol
I was saved in a Pentecostal church 4 and a half years ago. I think it must be different here in Scotland. Im a Pentecostal,not a charismaniac! As long as Christ Crucified is preached and The Gospel is preached everything else is secondary.
I was a Pentecostal thank God now I'm an atheist cause religions are stupid
Mark Aponte So, you are thanking God because, you do not believe in him? That makes no sense!
@@daisynieves1644 sarcasm and hyperbole
@@daisynieves1644 what makes no sense is why you believe in the bible
Even cults teach Christ was crucified. RCC is one of them. Wake up. Most churches are false
In my personal experience every pentecostal person I've known has been the most judgemental of any of the religions...I wonder how many people they actually bring to Christ...it's like they miss the whole point...smh
I came out of it . They believe and accept every made up doctrine under the sun
Thank you for defining these various faiths. I really appreciate this!
Do some more research is not correct in all he says here.
1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
Amen and again.
Pass the collection plate around again.
Acts 17:17 In the last days I will pour out my spirit upon ALL people. Your sons and daughters will prophecy your old men will dream dreams.
People who quote this to imply that tongues have ceased, make me believe that knowledge has ceased.
Ryan, what a treasure to stumble upon this. Thanks for everything you've done with these videos.
The hardest part for me is... I left the Mormon church and the conservative norms. I've been attending a Pentacostal church for almost two years but still feel disconnected, I have also been attending a Babtist church also, but I can't seem to connect there either. Stuck in limbo I guess. I spend most of my time keeping my mouth shut because I'm still learning.
Be connected with Jesus, that is possible even though most groups are not going to be able to help you do that
Study the word on your own too. You have to be in the word.
I suspect you need to be part of a more structured, historically rooted church. I see parallels between the Church of Jesus Christ - LDS and the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. LDS has a President and a Prophet, parallel to a Pope or Patriarch. Historically, is a central city for the worldwide church - Salt Lake City, Rome, and Constantinople /Istanbul. The church relies on a hierarchy of authority with power and responsibilities delegated to bishops and ministers. There are core texts - the Book of Mormon, the Holy Bible, the writings of scholars like Thomas Aquinas (Roman) and the Patristic texts (E. Orthodoxy).
I grew up Episcopalian, converted to Roman Catholic, and have finally settled in as Eastern Orthodox. I have always been part of a global, historically grounded, liturgical, Christian church. I have just been working my way back to the earliest origins of Christianity and have found that Eastern Orthodoxy is the most historically authentic Christian church. It contains so many treasures, mostly little known in the Western Hemisphere. Speaking of Pentecostalism, the theological disagreement that finally divided Christianity between Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox after 1022 years(!) of fundamental agreement was over the role of the Holy Spirit. This is still very important with the Orthodox seeing the Holy Spirit as absolutely vital, coequal to Jesus Christ. The Roman Catholic interpretation is the Hoky Spirit is the love proceeding from the Father and the Son, connecting them together and therefore not coequal with the Son.
Churches are filled with fallible human beings, so I'm accepting of human flaws through the centuries. But the more cellular, modular structure of the EO Church has made it more resistant to waves of heresy and apostasy through the millenia.
Salt Lake City has a magnificent EO church I toured via RUclips as part of a young Christian seeker's channel's exploration of E. Orthodoxy.
I believe it was St. Philip who instructed St. Andrew to "Come and see!" Give your local EO Church a try during a Saturday evening Vespers service ir the Sunday morning Divine Liturgy. Probably best to attend one with a predominantly English language service. We adapt the Liturgy to each language, with Orthodox missionaries having translated the Bible into Innuit when spreading the faith to Alaska in the 19th Century.
Grew up in a Pentecostal family, When I got out of high school I began attending the Episcopal church. It's been 42 years now and never been more happier in my life.
repent, from trintarianism you need to come home
@@eyeofthestorm67 what about trinitarianism?
@@eyeofthestorm67 heretic troll
Why?
@@eyeofthestorm67 tell that to 1 John 5:7-8
I was raised Christian Reformed, but filled with the Holy Spirit at age 44. I grew up going through Christian Schools. I know the history of the Church to date. In good conscience i couldn't shrug off the spiritual gifts. Holy Spirit is real and so are the gifts! A lot of what you say i could talk for hours on. I've had many supernatural encounters with God and I have to say He is never changing. Stereotyping any group and condemning them is not from the Lord.
Then why do pentacostals do that to every other group?
Brother Reeves you also failed to mention the Church of God in Christ which is the oldest Pentecostal denomination and the largest in the United States. They started as a holiness movement in 1897 and begin as a Pentecostal Holiness church in 1907. They are founded by Bishop Charles Harrison Mason.
+Dustfromwhichitcame // Thanks for the post. I left them off because their story is so large and important. It's only a quick survey, mind you! :) But I'd like to cover them as well in a later video.
+Ryan Reeves Thank you Brother. I look forward to the video on the Church of God in Christ.
I notice COGIC is always left out of any religious discussions or religious surveys.
@@RyanReevesM hey I just have a question it is what Christian domination should I be should I be baptized or Anglican or something ?I am a Christian that believes in the holy ghost and I believe its grace through faith that we are saved and I believe we are all one in Christ but do I need to have a domination or can I just be Christian pls answer I am confusr
@@thewatchfullion1012 There were no denominations in the first century. Were there Christians in the first century? Yes.
Therefore, being a follower of Christ does not involve being part of a denomination.
Those who are members of denominations are followers of those humans who made and the later ones who run the denomination of which they are members.
GREAT VIDEO! I was born and raised in a Latino Pentecostal church and was kinda always made to feel by other believers that in the Christian Family, Pentecostals are analogous to the Crazy uncle that believes in Aliens. Believe me, I’ve heard it all. I appreciate how respectful, unbiased and informational this was. And I agree with the 4th wave you described, I see it myself, pentecostals trying to bridge Holy Ghost and Fire w/ the sound Barean mind. Spot on, Thanks again for the time it must have taken you to compile this🙏. God Bless.
because this is what you are
Crazy?
I say evil and not to be trusted at all.
Grew up methodist, when I got older I was invited to volunteer with a ministry for addicts who wanted to change (Made some of my bestfriends, and met some really smart people.) Anyways it was my 2nd day, and we went to church. I enjoyed the service overall, but I was confused/impressed why the pastor kept talking in hebrew. Lol of course when I asked I learned what tongues were. When it comes to tongues I think they are sincere, and could be real. I kept praying, and nothing happened so I felt like like I was bad. Anyways Pentecostals can seem extreme, but in reality it's passion. In their eyes they aren't condemning you they just want to sincerely save you, and have a godly life. In the end it's your heart, and faith between you, and God that matter. All we know is 0.9% of it all.
You also forgot that Pentecostalism is the fastest growing movement in Church History and as mainline and Western Christianity appears to be dying off it is the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches who remain.
Sad ... Bible talks about it. People grow in knowledge but their faith will diminish.
Yer it called the great apostasy before our Lord Jesus Christ comes back hallelujah. Maranatha 🙏
Love this whole series on church history. Thank you.
Say what you will about Pentecostalism, but when the other denominations were still hung up on “race” we were as the narrator put “radically unsegregated” about 50 years ahead of the rest of the country. sounds like God to me! Remember folks he uses the “foolish things of this world to confound the wise”
you are right about this...I am more reformed in my theology..however the more reformed or theologicallly conservative churches are not as diverse ethnically
So religion is like fast food is it? Try and capture the greatest market share?
@Brain Dead Idiot it's needed because we do not always know what to pray. Just like in battle when the world is raining down on us our minds like to freeze up, get cought, or stuck under the weight of our problems. Tounges is supposed to be the holy ghost praying through us, praying for us. Have you ever tried to pray for three hours straight? Four hours? Five? How long will it's take you to run out of things to say? Or would you just repeat the same things over and over? How would you even know what to pray? The most necessary part of tounges is that it prays for things you know not that you need. Tomorrow you might get hit by a bus, how would you pray against it? Why is it useless if it gives you the words to say, and releases the correct and needed prayers over your life? Only God knows the future, so to pray in it somthing from God has to be used.
Patrick Montgomery how am I dead?
Patrick Montgomery meh..i guess if that's the way you interpret things that's fine..Billy graham arguably won the most souls to Jesus in the 20th century..he wasn't a pentecostal..so
Here in Romania the pentecostal church (Biserica Penticostala Romana) is remarkably sober and classical, nothing near like the charismatic american pentecostal cults. Their ceremonies resembles old puritan's, specially in the countriside, with their hymns and dressings. I hear them also preaching several times defending free will and that salvation without facts is dead, which I as a Catholic am glad to hear.
They of course put emphasis on the gifts of the Spirits like pentecostals in other parts of the world, I mean they are really part of the movement but in a different "fashion". It is pretty much like the Holiness Movement but today in the 21th century.
On the other hand in the last five years or so the USA influence on the romanian pentecostal liders is going stronger and the romanian pentecostals are loosing this unique identity and becoming increasingly "americanized" in their faith.
Sorry for my bad english.
Even Romanian Pentecostal churches in US are culturally conservative - some still requiring to thos day the wearing of "batic" (headscarf) for the women, or (my favorite lol) the separate seating of men and women. And of course, they are very theologically conservative, for which I am glad.
I hope they stay unique, thats more beautifull, I also pray that my church assemblie (Non denominational Non charismatic or pentecistal) stays unique, it's not that flamboyant as the mentioned movements,but still it's allive, but more comparable with beautifull plants, they live(not a dead church as some may say),but arent as moving as humans , we are unique church
Same thing for the Ukrainian Pentecostal movement. A lot more conservative
It would be interesting to explore the rise of these movements in tandem with the rise of mass media. Faster moving print media, radio and television had to have a huge influence on this movement.
That's a great thesis question. This movement did not have the time and space to iron itself out in seclusion. It burst forth into criticism and derision and it seems its having yo iron itself out in real time.
But there are some very dangerous doctrines developing too.
Ryan Reeves historical assessment of Pentecostalism is replete with the most intelligent data I've ever heard concerning this movement.
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Tim McGee
WAKE UP!!!
I am a Charismatic Christian. Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. I worship in Spirit and in truth. JESUS CHRIST is the way, the truth and the life. He is the only way. No man comes to the father but by Jesus
It says no man comes to the Father but by the way, truth, and life. Know the way, what is true and live the life.
@@robwebster8472 Sorry for your loss (your mind). Hope you regain your sanity.
nice unbiased study of the Pentecostal movement. I like how you show the beginning of some other denominations as well. speaking of tongues is in the Bible and it helps you realize that the word of God has power and not just any power(voodoo, witchcraft) but all power in Christ Jesus. I believe the speaking of tongues, receiving the holy ghost is the beginning of faith, it helps you learn God's word in the spirit and helps you walk in the spirit where you once walked in the flesh. Do I believe you need it to get into heaven, I don't know but it is a wonderful thing to help get you there.
read Acts in the bible about tongues What kind of legitimate tongues(languages) do you speak?
What he said & what the Bible teaches.was, The receiving of the Spirit is what Jesus gives you when you get saved. The Spirit seals you until the day of redemption. The speaking in tongues of today is not the same Biblical tongues spoken in the Bible. The real word is not tongues, it is langues, real down to earth languages that man can understand. The word tongues & unknown tongues was added in by the k.j.s people. So the tongues of today is not true Biblical languages but gibberish. The word Holy Ghost is another word that was added in by them. It's Holy Spirit. It was for the most part unbiased, but he did show that Charles Fox deviated from the scripture when he separated the work of Jesus & the Holy Spirit for salvation & said that speaking in tongues is baptism of the H.S. The Bible teaches that the work of the H.S. is to Baptise us into the church, the body of Christ. The biblical speaking in languages in the book of acts was a supernatural sign & what was supernatural was that they all heard people that did not know their languages speak in it anyways & they heard the wonders of God & they believed & Jesus started His church by saving them. Then they went out & preached the word of salvation & then there came a time when every langues knew the plan of salvation & they no longer had to speak in different languages. So the true Biblical speaking in tongues( languages) ceased. The last time we here about tongues is in the book of cor. & the reason for that is becaused they were misusing it & it is still being misused today. Today in the modern church, there has not been one example of someone speaking in a supernatural language that they do not know to a people that know that langues. Even if there was, it would have to be supernatural & that would really edified the Church the way true tongues should. Hope this helps somebody.
set your affections on Jesus Christ and call on him, something will happen is all I can tell you.
So is stoning people!
@@flamingooneleg77 rabbi tovia singer explains this with scripture in great detail. Speaking in tongues, faith healing, tithing.....all mistranslated and taken out of context on purpose to promote man made lies.
After 30+ years I have learned enough to know Pentecostalism and its derivatives are not Christian movements. And having given the benefit of the doubt for much of that time.
It's a cult.
What confuses me is the amount of pastors and TV evangelists who claim the Gift of healing and prophecy, yet they all teach opposing fundamental paths to Heaven. You have the oneness penticostal church who teach that Jesus Christ and God our father is the Holy spirit Today and not 3 distinct beings of the Divine God. Mormons also claim and perform convincing miracles and prophecies. in fact there are many totally opposing faiths that all claim prophecy, tongues and healing. Then you have the Prosperity Charismatics who base faith on giving them money to buy Jets, and big mansions. The one thing that saddens me is the lack of respect in the teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament. What I read in the book of Acts and the early church is very different from the megachurch form of moneygrabbing, praise leaders, and hand clapping that seems to typify the modern Charismatic Movement. Where is the humility, helping the needy and poor, and the need for forgiveness through the Blood of Christ, which is constantly preached in the Bible? We need to get back to worshipping God and not the mammon of many in the happy clappy feel good megachurches of today.
Worshipping God is a start, but how about actually trying to live out the teachings of Christ? When Christians start doing that, rather than acting like tyrannical assholes who wish to force the tenants of their faith on all of society by using state power to deny me marrying for love should I love the "wrong" person, or to deny rastafarians their right to smoke cannabis because they have some deluded nonsense belief that their faith makes them better, and wiser than everyone else, and many have a savior complex, believing they have the right to save the rest of us from themselves. They're tyrants in waiting, little stalinists wanting to control everyone... kind of like you'd expect the devil to do, but not followers of a truly divine being. I think Jesus Christ has the most sound claim to divinity, and I love most of his teachings. If Christians acted more like him, I'd probably have converted years ago, but they don't, so I don't want to sully my name by associating with such contemptible people who seek to control others, they are truly the lowest form of life, it doesn't matter whether they're Christian, Muslim, or Communists. Those who seek to control are beneath respect, and human dignity, they do not deserve either. Yet we should extend both to them, because that is what Christ would do.
@@Remembering-rq6si who are you again?
@@Remembering-rq6si because what he saying is almost feel closed to bible rather to jesus. Thats why I asking u give me the reason why its nonsense. Clear my thoughts of right and wrong this isn't about owing anyone.
@@sanubala3382 No, i am not Pentecostal. I would describe myself as a Christian and a member of the Church of God or Church of Christ (names used in the new testament that addressed members of Christ's body ... the church. I am not trying to be self righteous in my answer. However, I do not like or support names describing Christians as anything other than descriptions given in the early church or New testament. Pentecostal is a term that was invented at the turn of the 20th century, and further divides people into sectarian divisions. The plea of the early church of the first century was that all Christians be united in thought and mind (1 Corinthians 1:10; John 17:21) and to speak where the bible spoke and be silent where the bible is silent (2 John 1:6, John 14:15). If such a course was followed, we would not have the thousands of sectarian groups among Christianity that we see today.
@@danomeara3686 well, believing jesus and following jesus are the important fact. not religion. With or without joining church religion. We have to do what jesus told us through bible.
Ive been hesitant to join the church across the street from me.. it's been almost calling out to me and and I think I'm going to church on Sunday for the first time in years
Sabbath is Saturday. 7th day
Jimmy Swaggart preaching by the grace of God has saved many souls. That is what Christianity is all about the blood of Jesus saves mankind.
I'm a pentecostal Jesus love u just follow Jesus read the Bible n learn every1 worships diffenly but just worship Jesus speak n tongs so u can pray n God n a out of this world language yall diggg .... let getting filled if with the gifted of the holy sprit :) love u all blessung
I just became pentecostal 6 months ago..
I felt like i belong there, like it was my Family the 2day.
i actually do speak in tounges in my dreams for 12 yr now. Before i went to a pentecostal church
This pastor tells me yes you have a gift.
Now i know why i been doing what i been doing..
Now i do it often in my church now and Pray!!! like this to others, and me.
Amen!!!
I’ve had a dream where I was speaking in tongues. Visited a Pentecostal church yesterday and got baptized yesterday by a Pentecostal preacher! Life is changing!
Ryan, I was filled with the Holy Spirit in May 2003. It's not something I just took on. I was actually against the idea of this for a long time until I began to study the scripture. I realize that there was a baptism in the Holy Spirit that was for every believer. That's what people are noticing today.
Study the topic of tongues in the Bible very deeply. And I mean deeply and critically. You will find that the practice in churches is not Biblical. Not being mean, just asking you to have an open mind and do a deep study.
@@nberrios777 Yeah the tongue spoken on Pentecost was understood by all hearers. That is not true for the modern incarnation. It's sad...
@@mercster then why does Paul say this in 1 Corinthians 14:2:
“For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.”
Explain that please.
@@vaquera9368 "Paul defined exactly what he meant by the phrase “does not speak to men but to God” in the very next line, “for no one understands.” If the language was not translated, only God would know what was being said.
Clearly, Paul was far from commending such a practice. As he had already established (in chapter 12), the purpose of the gifts was the edification of others within the body of Christ. Foreign languages left untranslated did not fulfill that purpose. That is why the apostle put such an emphasis on the necessity of interpretation (vv. 13, 27)."
MacArthur, John F.. Strange Fire (p. 150). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.
@@vaquera9368 This is the Holy Spirit speaking, not the gift of tongues.
When I received the fullness of the Holy Spirit I spoke in beautiful unknown languages, however, what happened to me a shy inward man, was remarkable! I became bold and started to preach Christ crucified to everyone. Acts 1:8, you shall receive power and be witnesses...
I got my family saved then many others! Some became Pastors of large churches.
What happened??? Power!
No wonder Apostle Paul asked the question in Acts 19, “Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?”
Why even ask the question if we receive it at first faith??
My recommendation is that you experience this Pentecostal experience instead of just studying it.
My heart is full of love for Jesus and it overflows still today because of my personal experience of Acts 2:1-4. Grace, Peace, and Love be multiplied to you.
Speaking in tongues? Give me a break. Try researching the context of those scriptures by actual greek/hebrew speaking theologians/clergy/rabbi. Speaking in tongues is a joke, just like faith healing, and the trinity.
@@VoltedSoldier What are people speaking then?
Demonic languages and curses. I was in that church once as a teen and it gave me the creeps big time. I do have friends in that church and they are really cool though. I just don't trust those weird dialects.
Personally if I could define the Pentecostal movement, as one raised in it, it’s this.
We wanted to figure out who The Holy Spirit actually was in the Trinity, rather then just some outside invisible force who doesn’t play much of a roll, and then from there learn how to implement Him into every area of our Christian lives and faith according to what had been taught in the scriptures.
It’s pretty significant considering we brought the Third Person of the Trinity into the very serious place of relevance where He rightfully belongs. Being that He is just as much God as Jesus Christ Himself.
But make fun of us if you want... haha, considering all the other denominations haven’t seen a Revival in over 120 years but we have ushered in that Massive 500 million Christians number, I would call that a “Massive Revival” and the next massive Revival that does come will definitely build off of the foundations laid by Pentecostalism.
Surely the speaking in tongues was just a way of telling the gospel to foreigners.
As for the trinity - Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
God made man in his OWN image. Man is mind, body and soul. Whats not to get.
Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth which is of God and is God
God = Jesus = Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit was the gift left by Jesus for us after his death. The kingdom of God is now within those who wish to access. Just have faith, repent of sin and be holy. Oh look another trinity.
Read the bible for yourself. DO NOT RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE FOR YOUR SALVATION.
You read, you become the priest to your temple.
Hurry up. His holiness will return sooner than you think
Glory to God
8:30 thank you for explaining this! I’m apostolic Pentecostal convert and I think a big thing people forget is that services and people like this have been around ever since God released His spirit to us. Regardless, I think the point is that God can and will and does still work signs and miracles and gifts of the spirit!
The Holy Spirit is the progenitor of the tongues found in the Bible in the book of Acts.
Are you kidding? The "emotionalism" started a century ago?? Read your Bible, it starts in Acts.
The dead, non-spirit filled, false doctrines of man are what took away these gifts because instead of seeking Jesus, people decided to seek their theologians (doctrines of man)
You are so clever, you hit the point!
Actually according to sound scriptural doctrine....faith healing, tithing, and speaking in tongues are all twisted and false man made teachings. So theres that....
There are others that seek ecstatic emotional religious experiences...they are called Pagans. I came out of upc and I can tell you just listen to the sermons. Rarely a mention of the cross. It’s mostly about you needing to worship more crazy or you need to speak in tongues or live up to the holiness standards lest you lose your salvation. There’s so much wrong with this movement I don’t even know where to begin.
This video literally explained so many answers to questions I had.
One lord, one Faith, one baptism..One doctrine in the Scriptures. Not 3000
I agree that's the unity today one spiritual baptism in to christ.
Patrick Montgomery Holy smokes, you okay, dude???!
SUPERB
Baptism in Jesus name that is.
For the past year I have had no contact with a church, whether it be Evangelical or charismatic. After over 50 years of warming metal folding chairs and pews, helping to lead true worship, and watching the choices being made by today's leadership that are so very unscriptural, especially the nar and impartation movements, I realized how far off the path the vast majority of the church is being misled and I decided to remove myself from any further indoctrination that had been taking place in my life for far too many wasted years. I began again to long for purity, simplicity and a very word-centered community. Instead where I found myself was among an emotion driven, understudied, and wordless mass of followers. Where to go from here is pretty much up to the Lord for him to work in me both to Will and to do of his good pleasure and to let Him finish the work that he's begun in me, for it is not by might or by power but by my Spirit saith the Lord. It will take His intervention to turn things around by cleaning up the present mess.
Professor.... you are doing an amazing job! Thank you for the work you are doing.
As a counterpoint, I would be interested to hear an exposition on dispensationalism in the church.
Gear Daddy -dispensationalism is merely a means to divide up the Bible into movements, it is not doctrine. Being Pentecostal can influence your doctrine negatively and send you to hell, but you can be a dispensationalist and it has no effect on eternity.
Bro William branham has a tremendous book called.....an exposition of the 7 church ages....very informative and revealing
I am Pentecost. I was raised that it's okay to jump and clap your hands and stand during worship rather than sit and drink coffee. I always thought Pentecostal was those who have high outward expression concerning the love of Jesus.
"I thought", as you said is your problem. "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." If you can't prove all you believe by the King James Bible, you're in danger. Pentecost is a Jewish festival occuring 50 days after Passover. It is NOT the beginning of the church. It is NOT associated with The Body of Christ today. In other words, the Pentecostal Churches are based on a LIE. Have you ever read Acts 2, where the 12 Apostles were filled with the Holy Ghost? Peter addresses in verse 22, "Ye men of Israel .", and in verse 36, "..let all the house if Israel.." Peter is NOT addressing you or me or any gentile.
lynn brown Wait ....... While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, (Acts 10:44-46)
How about the gifts? Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: (1 Corinthians 12)
Are you not poisoning the word of God with your opinion?
Thank you for the well-narrated, and intelligible content. Sometimes it’s difficult to find videos you can hear on an iPhone from 10 feet away.
Remember, always test every spirit to see if it is of God. As well as everyone claiming to be a prophet and prophecy of our CREATOR. Because there will be false prophets, false teachings and false beliefs about the Word.
“Seek ye first the kingdom of GOD in ALL its righteousness then “ALL THINGS” will be added unto you.” (Matthew 6:33)
Agreed
How do we test if ourselves dont know the spirit in us imparted from those laying hands on us from time to time?
Justina Musyoka Study the Scriptures prayerfully, “Seek you will find through humble asking your heavenly FATHER who has promised to give abundantly to all who has: 2 Chronicles 7:14-16 and trust in the grace that our CREATOR has provided for “all who will” believe.
@@revbobmartin thank you. Shalom.
Bob Martin: yep, test what you hear (1 John 4:1).
i really enjoy history. wish i had in high school..lol
and your voice is perfect for night time listening. thank you for your time
I know what you mean ha
Very interesting. Thank you. I grew up in a non - denominational charismatic mega church in Mexico City. I still hold to certain ideals and view points of it. I appreciate your point of view. I believe you were fair on your observations.
Well as one who believes Religion is a COMPLETE and utter waste of humanities time.. I appreciate you breaking down the history of what my family believes.
stupid! religion give this world a better place.
what a dumb and ignorant statement.
@@peepeepoopopolous2288 prove that the comment is ignorant and dumb.
God gave Eden and authority to Adam and Eve.They eat the forbidden fruit.Cain became the 1st murderer,Lamech the 1st polygamy, Jubal started narcism in music,and Tubal created weapon to kill.
God saved Noah from flood and made a covenant with him.Noah planted a vineyard and drank in gluttony, and unconscious slept naked.
God blessed Abraham.But He followed Sarah advice and commit adultery with Hagar.
God gave might to David and Wisdom to Solomon.The 1st fell over lust, the 2nd fell over greed.
Disciples gave ecclesias,fellowship among believers to praise God,we made religion.
Father and Son became vague to strengthen the faith in Spirits,atheism and scepticism grows.
Human,is the most unique creation.The most fragile last created being with so many wants and needs.
No wonder Father shall close the cycle unexpectedly sooner.
@@constantinelastevangelion7956 none of that is true.
I came into the Pentecosta since I was a little girl. I'm born again,Holy Ghost filled Pentecost.
I pray you are a Pentecostal that believes in the Trinity.
So many churches it’s so confusing. These are fascinating videos. I had no idea about any of this, as I didn’t grow up in a religious household. Very interesting.
And all of them dividing off from the original, non-denominational Catholic church.
I get bad vibes from the Pentecostals I work with.
As you should. Seven Mountains Mandate is a Pentacostal movement
You should obey God
@@MCPT59 I am Pentecostal and I didn't even know what that was until I researched it. You do know that there are different types of Pentecostal 'we' meaning my congregation, family and I don't practice that 🧐.
Well if you do it must mean three different things. 1. You're not Christian. 2. You're someone who calls themselves Chrisitan but does not practice the scriptures or have a relationship with God. 3. The people you work with do not practice what they preach(Not everyone that saids Lord..Lord will enter the kingdom of God. Matthew ch 7 verse 21)
The old Pentecostals are very judgmental
I saw a teaching which said that to be “filled with the spirit” means getting into the Word daily thus it “fills” us. We get filled with the Word which transforms us daily. The analogy of a empty glass (Christians) was shown and water added into it daily from a large pitcher (God). Eventually, the glass gets filled and filled where it overflows the more we are in the Word. That is the meaning of being filled with the spirit and not the manifestation of speaking in tongues like many believe.
@Heck Al go get a bible preferably in English.
@Heck Al btw, I STUDY my Bible and not just read it. Start studying it.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
2 Timothy 2:15
Do what it says.
Love this history lesson brother! You always make great teaching videos!
The day of Pentecost, right after the death of Jesus Christ our Lord, is when it all really started. It has just been revived. The Holy Spirit is alive today more than ever, because of Pentecostal Faith. Amen
Reeves advises us to not judge the extremes of our Pentecostal "brothers".
Reeves does not at all hesitate to judge even the smallest aspects of dissent such as Gnosticism which negates any real need for a church or church structure, or a collection plate.
Reeves also directly aligns with ancient orthodox writings that lead to such monstrosities as the Catholics. But, business is business ain't it Dr. Apologetic Reeves?
Very well composed (and produced) presentation of a topic close to my heart!
Thank you!!
I proudly consider myself to be a charismatic Baptist and a very grateful child of God Jesus Christ rescued me from over 20 years of heroin and methamphetamine addiction. He's a God of wonders
I wouldn't say Pentocostalism is entirely unique or new. Many, many Early Christians believed in gifts and prophecies. Just look at the hundreds of miracle stories around Patrick, Nicholas, Polycarp and etc.
TheCynicogue Wel i think Polycarp as a disciple of John would have N reasons to believe in miracles an I think he was witness to cease of the gift of Holy Spirit!
I believe the point being made is that it is the only attempt to revive this broken tradition and is therefore unique in the history of the church. While he points to 3 or 4 waves, these are iterations or developments evolving from the initial attempt. Can you point to other serious, intentional attempts, gaining traction from the 4th to the 18 the centuries to revive the gifts as a tradition, ie part of normal, common christian life?
@@kenwebster5053 no, you're right that it seems after the 4th century, the Church entire does not have much charismatic teaching or history. But through individiuals, I think yes. Patrick is 5th century, and St. Blaane was believed to be a miracle worker in 6th century. Don Bosco was reportedly miracle working in the 19th century. There's numerous other examples, but it does seen to limited to individuals.
Bottom line: win souls, and live holy.
SO...WHAT WILL BE THE STANDAR TO LIVE HOLLY?
COULD IT BE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS Sr?
Gabriël G Smit Word for word? Proverbs.
The concept? Throughout the entire Bible practically.
Patrick Montgomery gentleman, please don’t argue about this. Live at peace with all......
Excellent MR RITSON.
@@justpassingthruuu proverbs he that winneth souls is wise...daniel they that turn many to righteousness shall shine..
My wife and I and our church are Holiness to the core! Love the old time way
My encounter with God in 1981
I was brought into Christianity in 1981, I had one of the most incredible experiences with God I believe a person could have, I will not go into detail of what happened to me right now, my life was transformed, there are elements of my experience that are impossible to put into words, the realm of God's supernatural power was activated in my life, but I didn't even know what that was, or that it even existed, I began to see things before they happen while in prayer, these visions would not only take place in prayer but at other times with my eyes open, I had absolutely no comprehension of what was going on, this power was surging through my body and I didn't know why, it was many years later that I discovered my experience was very unique, and very different from others.
After the experience begin to wane, which was actually many days and weeks later, what I had previously known as this reality gradually began to fade back into existence, in my mind and heart I wondered what happened to me, the experience was so transcendent it was beyond anything connected to physical reality, I would not talk about the experience, many that were there the night these things started happening to me, were aware of that, I could hardly walk, and from my perspective, I could barely see, everything associated with this reality was fading away, I began to see flashes of another dimension overlaid on this reality, or maybe a better explanation would be, interfering with this reality, I don't even remember how I got home that night, I had come with some friends of mine, and they got me home that night, maybe I will tell you the entire experience later.
But let me stay with the topic at hand, as so-called normal reality began to fade back in, and yet in my life nothing would ever be normal again, I was introduced to a book, it seemed like everybody was talking about this book, and this person Jesus, you must realize the things I'm about to say are going to disturb you, but they are from my experience, this book everyone was talking about was called the Bible, and this person Jesus supposedly lived on the earth 2000 years ago, and by some miraculous means was raised from the dead after being murdered three days earlier, you must understand that I didn't believe this, and in absolutely no way could I understand it, I was just trying to understand what happened to me in that church meeting.
This is already getting lengthy.
I was so obsessed with God, I can't even put it into words, the church I was attending at the time, was about a 30 minute drive, and I never missed a meeting, I would pray two and three hours at a time, I would pray in tongues like a freight train going down the track, there was really no effort to it, it just happened, I would feel this drowsy feeling and numbness throughout my body just like I had experienced earlier, and this strong feeling of electricity in my body, this would happen almost every time, the nights we didn't have church meetings, I would drive around until I was impressed to walk through the doors of a church building where I knew absolutely no one, some of those meetings I will never forget, I would get up and testify and people were gravitated to me, it was just enjoyable to be in the presence of God, but even in these meetings the presence of God was just barely there, I know some of what I'm saying is going to be hard to understand.
Time begin to progress, and I realized what happened to me had so changed me yet the people around me remain the same, they would come up to me and tell me to read the Bible, to be honest with you I couldn't understand the Bible at all, they told me we love Jesus, I didn't have a clue what they were talking about, you must understand this is all in retrospect, I asked them where is Jesus? They began to tell me about this character that lived 2000 years ago, they had this big cross on the back wall, I thought it was strange, they talked about a person, I never seen any person, I was so confused, what happened to me?
What they were doing and saying just didn't make sense, I would listen intently trying to understand what happened to me, and its connection to what these people were talking about, I began to get some understanding of the Bible, it was though certain aspects of the words that would come alive in me, but a lot of it was just flat and meaningless and routine and ritual, it was all getting very boring, I would come in early when I could and pray one hour before each meeting, but I knew something wasn't right, but I didn't have a clue what it was, what these people were doing and saying which was 100% connected to the Bible, was a disconnect for me for the most part, I had no idea what was really going on, and how I was going to put this puzzle together.
I had a hunger for God in connection to my experience that others just didn't have, I started asking questions, most of the time I never got an answer, I was warned about this and that, and don't do this or that, I was told don't read this or that, and fear was one of the predominant forces they release upon you in connection to the Bible, I would ask ministers of the church the question, where is God's power? And they would make excuses, I watched several people die because they could not help them, one was a 14-year-old girl with cancer, I was very upset and I was getting tired of the whole thing, and church in general.
I stayed at that particular church for about five years, but I had to move on, but I had no clue where I was going, there are so many things I'd like to talk about but it would take too much time.
Church for the most part became a routine, just something people would do, I would ask them why they're doing it, and most would tell you, that's just what we do, we go to church, and we love Jesus, I started attending another church, and clearly recognize the routine and ritual and paraphernalia connected to what they did, I tried as often as I could to get there early and pray at least an hour, and of course that was by myself, others were way too busy to make the time, everyone would start coming in on a Sunday morning, I would usually still be up at the altar praying and seeking God, the noise of people talking would began to get pretty loud, when it came time for the meeting to begin, 99% of the time the so-called praise and worship was dry, with a slight presence of God in the background, we would experienced this a lot, and the routine started, you know what I mean, there were times we had a pretty good meeting, but most of the time that didn't happen, and of course the preacher had to do his thing, which became more empty and dry void of God's presence and power, there were times I would stand up, and just exploded in God's power and presence and get a few aman's, but it didn't really seem to help, I began to see very clearly people didn't really want God, they wanted their belief in God, and didn't want you to even dare mess with it or question their belief in God, or their belief in Jesus, because that was all you heard, Jesus was the key figure, yet very much absent from their gatherings, this is what began to really bother me, I was in a new church now, still asking questions, same excuses Coming, I remember one meeting the pastor's wife asked me, what are you looking for? My reply to her was, I don't know.
I am going to have to bring this to an end for now, I have much more to say, one thing I can say God is the most amazing thing I have bumped into in this reality, I could tell you things that I have experienced in the last 38 years, that are literally from another world.
great video. as a non denominational charismatic pastor this was very much enjoyable and educational. thanks for your unbiased commentary.
I absolutely love the way you laid this all out. I've been Pente-Holiness my whole life. It's always seemed odd to me. Not bad, just odd. This helped answer some questions I had. Thanks for the vid!
I would say all due respect to everybody. You must be careful where you get your information and what you believe. I would encourage you and anyone else if you have any questions and want to know the entire truth READ your Bible !!!!!! God bless you and your search for truth.
Well there it is. But I knew he was going to eventually say. It's because of the ignorant uneducated poor individuals that would fall for anything . LOL who are the ignorant h e r e
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Very simple the wave as you described it. Are dispensations. Actually it's the degree of the move of the spirit of God. The mattress is spiritual. And with your plane understanding is an error. I say again the answer is spiritual' and can only be understood correctly spiritually. So there we are ' for one to spiritual 'must have the spirit of God !!!!
I will comment on your comment about being taught to speak in tongues true there's a movement today that teaches a person have to (mock) the tongues of God... and that's all it is Jabbar. For your understanding speaking in tongue it's not the person that's doing it it's a spirit of God !.... I could go further with the subject but it would only confuse you. you will( never understand spiritual things) unless you have received the (spirit of God.).
I have to say listening to your lectures exemplifies a debunk of what most students learn in HS school. A great precursor for any student going on to a higher education.
PENTECOSTAL FAITH, I WAS A PART OF FOR OVER MANY MANY YEARS.
I FOUND TO HAVE RECEIVED MOST OF MY LEARNING ON BIBLE TRUTHS . I THANK THE LORD JESUS THE CHRIST, FOR ALL I LEARNED OF THE LORD N BIBLE TRUTHS.
AND I DO NOT AGREE WTH THE LECTURES GIVEN IN THIS TALK... GOD FORGIVE THIS INFOMATION GIVEN IN THIS COMMENT.
GODS WORD IS TAIGHT AND AS FAR AS THE EMOTIONS GO, THATS AN INDIVIDUAL EXSPIRENCE.. YOU HAV YOUR OWN OPINIION, AND YOUR NOT CORRECT ON THE EXSPIRENCE THAT SOME HAV HAD.. DO NOT JUDGE GODS PEOPLES EXSPIENCED WTH GOD...GOD FORGIVE YOU.. AND WHY SHOULD ANY BELEIVE YOU, OPPOSE TO OTHER BELEIFS . ITS ALL UP TO THE PERSON WHO SEEKS THE LORD,
THE LORD BRINGS EACH ONE OF US WHO SEEKS THE LORD..
IN THE WAY GOD HIMSELF, SEES FIT TO..YES THERES A WAY TO WHICH GOD YES,WTH EACH PERSON..
THE WAY HE ,GOD SEES FIT..
YOU HAV NOT THE RGHT TO THINK ANYONE IS IN ERROR...
YOU ARE NOT GOD, AND WTH THE LORD HE WORKS WTH EACH PERSON,
DIFFERENT..
I DO PRAY GOD
SHOWS TO YOU, HIS TRUTHS .
YOUR JUDGING GODS PEOPLE, AND THEIR EXSPIRENCE.
I AM THANKFUL TO THE LORD,FOR GODS TRUTHS, INCLUDING, ALL THE LORD HAS TAUGHT ME. YOU HAV NOT THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE WHO COMES TO THE LORD. NO-ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE PERSONS WALK WTH THE LORD-GOD ..
Religious people all gathered in an open forum arguing and fighting.. Imagine that..
Funny isn't it?
Children are like that!
Right lol 😆
It doesn’t matter….what matters is that there are 6 billion lost souls on earth! Let’s unite to bring them to Jesus
Short, unbiased, and articulate summary of Pentecostalism and Charismatics. Well done.
Hey Rayen, you are the first RUclips channel to get my subscription and Bell. Awesome work!
We can have any of these gifts. They all are important but the greatest gift is love. Without love we can hang it all up....lord....help us love as you loved us....amen.
@Ecc12:13 The gifts were a sign to them which didn't believe /., Mainly showing the Jews that the Kingdom has been extended to the Gentiles. Even the Apostles no longer exhibited the gifts. Sure we still have healing and God answers prayer but the kind of power exhibited in the first years went away . Everyone would have believed and there would be no use of speaking about faith. The Gospel would not need to be spread, with words, People would see the healing and the signs and wonders. We would not need faith/. Greater is he that believes without seeing .. Matthew 28.
Practically everyone i knew during the Jesus freak movement on the seventies and the charismatic movement no longer follow Jesus . The modern belief in the supernatural gifts disappointed people and they based belief on what they saw rather than on faith . Faith cannot be taken away or lost because it is not based on this world. You must admit you have never seen the kind of healing Jesus Did in today's world. Healing of the soul is the important thing. Believe me i know it hurts.
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1 Corinthians 13: 8. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Why would Pentecostals focus on the gift speaking in tounges, like it will save you. If the GENUINE gift of tounges still bestowed by the Holy Spirit I think He would give it to some people but not most. I dont think gift speaking in tounges will make you love everyone, I ask God mostly that love in me will grow towards God and my neighbor. I never spoke in tounges and dont want to, I'd rather have a gift of love grow in me rather than speak in millions of tounges of men or angels.
Yes that scripture is correct it gave all the gifts n said they would ceast but Love will never ceast n is the greatest that is the moral of the text. Not gifts everyone looks over that Its called context. If we read tge buble in context it clears up the " tongues" issue. If God does everthing i. decency n order. Whats the exact order they recieved tongues. What exactly the happened. They were all in one place waiting, they heard a mighty rushing wind, it filled the room, tongues of fire on they head, they began to speak in "tongues" languages from every nation not jibberish. Then they had power to got witness around the world!!!!! Making disciples n baptizing people. No angelic personal prayer language smh bible doesnt even teach that because if it did it would say this is for prayer. How shall we pray? Our Father who art in heaven.....
The reason Pentecostalism/Charismatic has grown so fast is because it promotes man's greatest base instinct, and one we must fight against, PRIDE.
It's a shame there wasn't any mention of the "Jesus movement" in the 70's or the Vineyard in the 90's.
Yes the Jesus movement was the most significant move of God in America , interesting Calvary Chapel , vineyard and Missionary Alliance all came out of Pentecostalism , I see Calvary and Alliance as orthodox Reformed Pentecostalism Vinyard has given us great worship but unfortunately Some of the vinyard went off track embracing emotionalism and strange doctrines were Calvary and Missionary Alliance have remained orthodox
I like what you said Dr. Reeves, the book of Acts is descriptive, not prescriptive.
Mostly yes- although there is some prescription....but context is important.
@@joecoolmccall I would agree however, when it comes to central tenants of modern pentecostalism, in particular those groups that adhere to teaching tongues and Jesus name only baptism for salvation, is what I would describe as the problem within this movement.
Acts is descriptive and gives an account of events after Christ's ascension.
Much weight is often given to things in the early church as described in The 2nd Chapter of Acts and so on, however that described (not prescribed) early model is abandoned by the disciples & church leaders by the time you reach Acts chapter 28.
Sadly, he is incorrect. If Acts ch.2 is only descriptive then where in the Bible do we go to find out how to be saved and what happens when a believer recieves the Holy Spirit? It certainly isn't in the writings of Paul. Pauls' letters are all written to established churches full of believers who have been saved/ born again according to Acts 2:38/ John ch.3.
@Patrick Montgomery It all comes down to two questions; 1) Is the coming of the promised Holy Spirit, in Acts ch.2, the beginning of the Christian church ? 2) Is it feasable that instructions, from the apostles, on how to recieve the Holy Spirit, and be saved would also be found there? Protestants, mistakenly, point to Romans ch.10 as to where instructions on how to be saved are found. All of the letters, after the book of Acts, are directed toward already established churches full of saints that are already saved.We already know that Paul taught repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, and the recieving of the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in "tongues", according to Acts ch.19.
As a former upci minister I can tell you you are spot on as far as the fourth wave. I was one of those individuals. As far as intellectualism the colleges are somewhat of a joke, I do not mean that in an insulting way but some of these "college courses" are basically Bible studies that I've heard for many years. I am glad to see that they are moving forward as far as learning Greek and Hebrew and doing historical research, hopefully it will pull the movement out of ignorance.
it is exceedingly difficult to let go of some of these Pentecostal doctrines, as Bart d erdman puts it it is very traumatic, especially if you have family still in this movement.
Love your videos.
Proud to be a Pentecostal in this emerging of racism, BLM, etc. We need more pastors like Mr. Seymour during the segregation era.
@@hayden8491 sure you are a christian?
Would be interesting to see how the welsh revival of 1904 impacted the formation of the Pentecostal moment.
Are you saying this revival was bad?
No, not at all. it’s just that the 1904 revival in Wales is often credited as inspiring the Azusa Revival. I’m coming at this as a student of history, not a judge of the hearts of revivals.
Cecil Robeck covers this well...in his book on Azusa Street Mission and Revival.
I switched religions today thank u for teaching me more about my new religion
I have experienced this kind of worship a few times, it's a mix bag of emotions, especially during the speaking in tongues part, its awkwardness, confusion, some sort of euphoria and shivers running through the body. Idk man, speaking in tongues, I couldn't do it, I couldn't understand what anyone else is saying/ doing.. it's not for me..
A terrific and thoughtful attempt to clarify some very murky waters. Kudos!
No Pentecostal or Charismatic theologian worth his salt would ever say that speaking in tongues is evidence of true salvation or faith. Nor would they separate between the work of Christ in salvation and the work of the Holy Spirit. What they would say is that the Holy Spirit enters consequent to regeneration. Every saved person has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit-but that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit wherein one is immersed in the Spirit, filled to overflowing, and endued with supernatural power for service, is a separate, distinct occurrence from initial salvation-the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and should be sought for by every believer. Speaking in tongues never is a litmus test to prove anyone is truly saved, but rather is an initial sign that one has been immersed in the Holy Spirit.
Great explanation of this movement and very respectful
In your list of Pentecostal Denominations, you mentioned the Church of God of Prophecy instead of the Church of God(Cleveland, Tennessee) which is the more common (7 million people) denomination from which the COGOP split. Not a bad thing, just kinda funny! Very good video, I enjoyed it!
Biblical tongues is not the emotionally driven gibberish they use today. So many are decieved.
Interesting cultural phenomenon. The gift of speaking in other languages was for the nascent Church in order to spread the gospel. It's hard to see the link between that and the incoherent, non-linguistic "speaking in tongues" that seems to characterize these modern movements. Do they speak in Chinese, for example, so that they can preach to the Chinese?
Lol read the Book of Acts and lern something .
No, it's more like gibberish. I grew up in a UPC church with people who spoke in tongues and it's never in a language anyone understands...
@@mayraz5625 because its the Holy Ghost that gives the utterance not you.
I can speak in tongue since I was 14 the gift first touched me when i was 11 and it developed from words to sentences and if I'm fully in the spirit then all different, and no its not a known human language it's a communication between the almighty, I have no idea what Im saying but its flows right through,thats why people who speak in tongues speak so fast someyimes because u don't need to think what your saying it just speaks
@@ross6387 how you spoken tongue at age 14 and did not have the Holy Ghost yet or the gift for that matter
The first Pentecostal Denomination is the Church of God in Christ, founded in 1907. The leader of the denomination, Charles H. Mason ordained the first elders of the Assemblies of God denomination which was founded in 1914 at Hot Springs, Arkansas. Just interested in why this information was left out.
One word. Racism.
He mentioned Azzuza Street
Yes I was just getting ready to state this. The Church of God in Christ was first. Bishop Mason was a powerful praying man.
Founded in 1900s? Lol, that means you are following the teachings of man. Catholic/Greek orthodox, judaism, Islam at least has ties to founding fathers/apostles....
Possibly because the individual denominations are not the movment themselves
Pentecostal here who came to the movement through Catholic charismatics. Great video. Your balanced and fair analysis is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for this informative and sensitive explanation, and for all the historical background of this channel. My ancestral family was very much influenced and changed by the Welsh revival of 1905, which spread around the world and specifically to South Africa. So this marginally predated the Azusa Street revival in the USA. Our family was involved in Pentecostal revivals as missionaries in the Congo in the 1950's. At that time some mainline denominations considered speaking in tongues demonic. The charismatic renewal/Jesus movement that captivated me later on considered itself non-denominational, simply taking the New Testament church and the book of Acts as its guidelines. As a university student this was so refreshing! Important to note that the large majority of charismatics today are within the Roman Catholic church, subsequent to Vatican ll, and encouraged by Pope Francis as a "current of grace", and there is recognition that this is a powerful ecumenical move. A good read is "Azusa, Rome and Zion" by Peter Hocken.
There’s nothing unscriptural in believing the scriptures of Acts are for every church age.
Global Ciro - The first chapter of Acts begins with The Disciples (12 men) asking the risen Lord, "..will you at this time restore unto us (Jews) the Kingdom"? They were talking about prophecy, where Christ would reign from Jerusalem, Israel on Earth for 1000 years. We will not be part of that Kingdom on Earth. Acts 2 talks about Jews receiving power to overcome during the Great Tribulation, which is the event that was prophecied to happen before Christ's Kingdom comes on Earth.
Peter's gospel was for Jews only just as it was when Jesus was with the 12, as in Matthew 10:5-6, "...go not into the way of the Gentiles.......go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Repent (change your mind) and be baptized for the remission (not forgiveness) of sins (In a KJB read Zachariah 12 & 13). There is a Bible learning principle, one must understand to understand scripture: The Abrahamic Covenant says those who bless Israel (Jacob's 12 sons, tribes, that comprise Israel) I will bless, those that curse Israel, I will curse. So, Matthew 15 tells about a Gentile woman whose daughter needed healing. Jesus called the woman a dog. Jesus said to her, "..why should I take the children's (Jews) bread and give it to the dogs"? But then she said, "..true Lord, but don't the dogs get the crumbs from the Master's (Jews) table.." Then Jesus healed her daughter. Why, because she blessed Israel, she knew salvation came from the Jews. John 4 tells you that. Read it in a King James Bible. The Centurion's servant was healed by Jesus because he built a Synagogue for them. Cornelius in Acts 10, says he gave much money to the Jews, so he blessed a Jew. When the Jews scattered after the murder of Stephen, all began to change. Acts 9 shows a man named Saul (later to be called Paul, Saul is Hebrew, Paul is Gentile name), who was going about gathering Jesus believers to be killed. On the road to Damascus, Syria he was suddenly blinded by a light that was brighter than the noon day sun. The glorified Christ from Glory had just appeared to Saul. Christ told Paul he would be his Apostle to the Gentiles. The transition was beginning, from law to grace.
In Galatians 1 Paul said he didn't get this Revelation from man (Peter, James, John etc.). Paul was sent to Arabia for 3 years to receive something NEW, called The Mystery, as in Romans 16:25-26, "...kept secret since the world began..." Paul was the FIRST to hear this NEW Gospel (In a KJB read 1 Timothy 1:16).
Peter preached according to Prophecy in Acts 2 & 3. Paul preached according to the Revelation of the Mystery kept secret (Romans 16:25-26) since the world began. Two different messages from two different men. In a KJB look at Ephesians 2:11-12. It tells who the Gentiles were (without GOD in the world) before Christ chose Paul. Romans 11 says, "..through their (Jews) fall, salvation is come to the Gentiles". The FALL happened, and water baptism ceased after 40 years (1 Corinthians 1:17 and General Titus destroyed The Temple in Jerusalem), the gospel of the Kingdom ceased. But Now, as Paul said, by no works, but by grace through faith, you are saved. Simply believe Grace without the works of the law gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
In this new age of Grace there is neither Jew nor Greek, male or female, bond or free, but all in one body of Christ.
@Patrick Montgomery - "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God". "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death". You can BELIEVE the King James Bible, or not. God's Word is my compass, not man.
I wonder why we have all this mystery in the first place ? Pain suffering ? Why do we need healing if God wanted to just Show Up with Miracles he could make it so no one got sick or was born with birth defects in the first place . . Just open the sky and say hello. The whole purpose of life is to prepare us for the next life . That must be why we are allowed to suffer. Refined like Gold. If we had the gifts as evident as the Apostles did shortly after Messiah We wouldn't need faith and we would be ruined by it. Our life would not serve the purpose that God designed it for.
We see what happened to the credibility of Christianity that the so called gifts have caused. We are all still subject to our humanness and use things for our advantage even those who originally had good intentions. Keep a close eye on any minister claiming to have charismatic gifts. Don't let your wife or children be alone with them. I have seen three fall in the Church i attend in just the last few years . And they have been falling like hot cakes for the last thirty years. Do you realize how many have left the faith because of these phonies ???>>
The methodist used to be called the screamers, but why not today,, something was lost, also the charismatics believe the trinity, the old classic apostolic Pentecostals believe one God, there is only one that is holy.
I have a quick question for everyone here. Who has a personal encounter with God almighty, how many had felt his spirit? How many here have laid hands on the sick and they recover? It seems funny to me that the intellectuals always deride the evidence of God’s presence and yet never give an account of God working through them; meanwhile I have a old country minister who knew as much about the history of the church as a squirrel does lay hands on the sick and recover, young people who moments before never heard of speaking in tongues do so, God’s power is on display for those who seek him diligently
Prove it
@Ecc12:13 The burden of proof falls on the one making the claim. If I said an invisible unicorn does my taxes would you believe me or would I have to prove it to you?
andrew jones I have. I have twice laid hands on men and demons fled. One the raging grunting blood vessels popping out of his head, snarling man collapsed and then in total peace began to “come to” as if coming out of a coma. He could barely speak he was so weak. Another time with my eyes shut I followed the Holy Spirit to a man kneeling at the alter. I touched him and felt my body bend over with an oppression. Stomach muscles tight so long the cramped. Then I felt demons go through me and out. They did not attach to me for I was oily in the anointing. I stepped away as the man bawled in release. He began telling Pastor what happened to him. He pointed at me and said,”That woman obeyed God I have been crying out to come into God’s presence and now I have, when she touched me. I didn’t know him. Later I learned his whole family had struggled with alcoholism. The oppressive demons I suppose were addiction.
@@cindyhall1659 But can you prove it?