“Mormon Rapture” and Apocalyptic Tent Cities?
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
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Throughout scripture, God called out the righteous from among the wicked before a destruction. Does this set a pattern that will repeat today?
President Eyring gave a talk in 2021 April General Conference and stated “live so that when the time comes you can walk away”. That has stuck in my mind.
And he said it again in another talk in 2024.
And he repeated it again in 2024!
It looks very much right now that tent cities are already here. But its not so much the way people think. Its mass homelessness. Many news stations outside of Utah for awhile now have reported homeless tent cities popping up all over the place. Most of them are metro areas. They reported one by Chicago's lake front now (right when winter is starting). But not all of the tent cities are people prepared. Many are impoverished.
This adds to the idea that this can and will happen. But will it happen from faithful people leaving a society like Lehi, or because of unemployment, destroyed infrastructure, etc...that is the question. There will be both I think.
There isn't much to stay for if you face this choice. People staying, are seeing lawlessness in cities increase also.
Homeless tent cities are in many metro areas and the west coast now.
I was pondering on this a couple years ago, pondering on if we would have to “get out” and live in tent cities or whatever. The Lord reminded me of all the times, like you discussed, when He has led families and peoples to safety. He gave me much peace in the knowledge that, if I was doing my best to live in tune with Him, He would guide my family to safety, whatever that looked like. Then the first thought in my mind when I woke up the next morning was from the Spirit, telling me that my family’s move out east in recent years, in addition to two of my siblings’ moves out east, were part of His already-unfolding plan to get us where we need to be for the final day. We had all felt spiritual confirmation to do our moves, but not in the context of God maneuvering us for the end times! It was awesome! I agree with you that, if we are really trying to be like the wise virgins and live with full spiritual lamps, God will get us where we need to be.
Thanks for all your musings, Connor!
The country is going down fast economically. People are losing their shirts, and places to live. This means... its very likely that there will be 2 types of tent cities. 1 will be economic devastation group, in bad shape, and without revelation or following the gospel. The other group will likely be people that leave these cities before the destruction gets too much going by inspiration and revelation. The lie will be people thinking they won't be untouched if they don't make the good choice.
You can see that news in Chicago this week was talking about tent cities already along the lake front. So its already here.
Luke 21:20.
One of the incorrect paths some believers in The Rapture follow is that we should not do anything for the time being. There is an idea that we should let evil proceed and even encourage it because that mean Jesus is coming sooner. We have a responsibility to build His kingdom and promote good here and now and make ourselves ready, as should all our future posterity until He actually returns.
Mormons should be very prepared for the tribulations coming,because they won’t be getting raptured, and unless they repent will spend eternity in hell with Joseph’s myth,right along with him . This is a very blasphemous and dangerous cult . Repent and seek Christ. Here’s a hint he is Satans creator. Not his brother
Is this why they voted for Trump?
@ Mormons were told to vote for Harris,they would have obtained Zion quicker
@@jamesrexsannatracy8318 no we weren't
We know both evil and good will grow at the same time. It's the wheat and the tares. I won't pretend to fully understand, but there has to be some kind of gathering before the destruction of evil. This has already happened at least once in our day when the early Saints lived in relative peace during the US Civil war.
I disagree with news reporters equating the Vallows with the Bundy's.
And also throwing in Tim Ballard for good measure.
Same here. The Bundys were NOT at all like the others.
@@supperspreader agreed. That news report came off as an excuse to do a hit piece on Tim Ballard. And Connor could have noted the all of the cases against Tim have been dismissed and he is pursuing a defamation case. Like I said it all came off as an excuse for a hit job.
When did Tim ever claim to have been visited and called to be a “prophet”? Doesn’t sound at all like him.
What?! The news not reporting the truth?!?!😱🤯😂
Here is my take on it. If you are truly trying to live a life that takes full advantage of the Atonement of Christ, you are constantly trying to become a better person, than the Lord will be speaking to you. If you are meant to up and leave suddenly one day and be living in a tent city that will happen. If you are meant to stay right where you are, than that will happen. If you are meant to literally go live in the mountains in Israel, He will provide a way. Is it going to be through a formal process and involving church leadership or will you suddenly receive a revelation while at work one day? I have no idea and I really believe it is irrelevant how it happens.
Do I have a year's worth of food storage? Yes. Do I have tents, camping gear, and medical supplies? Yes.
Will I ever use them in a way that is being described in the video? I have absolutely no idea and I believe they are a small part of what is important right now.
Focus on building your faith in our Savior and repenting often, and God will take care of the rest.
8:28 Great episode! I wanted to point out a small correction: while 1 Nephi 2 :15 "And my father dwelt in a tent" is famously short, the verse Alma 18 :27 "And he said, Yea.” is actually shorter. It’s an interesting reminder that even widely accepted ideas within communities-like identifying the shortest verse in scripture-can sometimes persist unchallenged.
This brings up an important concept: false or incomplete community knowledge often lingers when we don’t pause to question what we’ve been told. It’s not about doubting everything, but rather fostering curiosity and a willingness to dig deeper. Moments like this are great opportunities to learn and grow together as a community. Thanks for sparking this conversation!
Mormonism is the most blasphemous cult in history. Repent of this cult now ,while you still have breath. Totally false religious system,it’s a business that dabbles in occultism. Joseph’s myth is leading good people to a very bad afterlife existence.
I feel betrayed that I was incorrectly taught the shortest verse in the BOM all my life. The false traditions just keep on coming! 😂
The shortest scripture is John 11:35, "Jesus wept."
@@oldcowboy3367not in the BOM though. That’s what we were discussing.
@@rebekahgriffin567 Yes, technically true, but isn't the point of a discussion on the shortest scripture to find which one is the ultimate? I suppose the only possibility shorter than John 11:35 would be one that just says "Jesus"!
Several years ago when this tent city thing was being preached, I prayed and asked if I should get a tent. The answer I got was NO. But I was told to get out of debt and keep my food storage up. Of course, this was revelation for me and my family and I would never condemn personal revelation other people have received.
Why are we taking a devotional chat from Holland at face value saying that all of the sudden the saints for the first time in history we need not flee or go anywhere. Or Lee saying that this call out will only come from the first presidency. When both of these ideas were refuted by Spencer W. Kimball when he warned the saints this:
"There will be no general warning to the membership of the church that things will be shortly falling apart... This 'lack of warning' is designed to weed out the tares; the 'all is well in Zion' crowd"
Considering the counsel given by the first presidency in the last few years, namely since 2020, and the direction they have been leading us, I think the warning from Kimball here is the one I would say is most accurate as opposed the stuff coming from Lee or Holland, or the first presidency on this matter.
They are saying things like that because they want us to "be good global citizens", and stay put and comply with the 2030 agenda. They are deeply connected with the UN.
Seriously, folks if you are insistent on listening to the president of the church, why did you ignore his general conference talk a year before 2020 came that was titled "hear Him", where he told us very plainly that we need to start to look to and listen to the Lord, and that we will not survive these last days without the guidance of the Holy Ghost and personal revelation. Why did everyone forget that warning so quickly and throw all common sense out the window the very next year and follow every single word this man said no matter how contrary it was to all sense and every principle of the gospel?
Great musings, Connor! Watching this, it occurred to me that the counsel to have a year's supply stored seems contradictory to the idea that we will be called to pick up and move.
Another fantastic video! Thanks Connor!
Several years ago, someone asked Elder Jeffrey R. Holland about another coming call-out, and Elder Holland replied that Zion is now worldwide and that we can no longer flee from Babylon into the wilderness, but must face Babylon instead---and that, although we will not leave it, some Latter-day Saints will leave the Church.
Good point.
How does this reconcile with what the Lord himself has said throughout the scriptures and the D&C? Has it now been updated by the brethren? If so what was the point of lord revealing it throughout the history of time?
Great thoughts, thank you.
Hey Connor, quick note regarding Matthew 24:15 - the “stand in the holy place” isn’t an injunction, but rather a reference to the person who commits the abomination of destination.
“When you see him stand in the Holly place, then flee to the mountains.”
It’s a reference to the type of shadow of when Antiochus Epiphanes stood in the Holy of Holies and committed that first abomination of desolation.
Our family certainly felt called to go into a “wilderness”. We were brought by the Lord to Wyoming and it’s been a great blessing for our family. We felt called to help prepare our community for a temple, and now 9 years later, we have one. For me, temples are the GARNERS where we are to be gathered in safely. We have been told by our Prophet, president Nelson that there will be a separation. It is definitely spiritual and at some point it will assuredly become physical. After all we are told in scripture “the meek shall inherit the Earth”, and the righteous will inhabit the desolate cities and places. For now it is up to us to watch and prepare “every needful thing.”
JST and D&C both correct to the wheat being gathered out first. The tares also drive the church into the wilderness, another reference to being led out.
JST Matthew 13: 29Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest, I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the wheat into my barn; and the tares are bound in bundles to be burned.
D&C 86: 3 wherefore, the tares choke the wheat and drive the church into the wilderness.
7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares, and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.
I too have noticed the two differences. Many members say that the tares are the ones leaving the Church. The problem is, I have noted after years of. being aware of members working to save the constitution that many good people have left church, for understandable reasons. Were they driven out? Ezekiel 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God.
16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
Great comment! 🎉thanks.
Connor Boyack have you kept up with Tim Ballard? According to the YT channel Last Dispensation, cases are being dismissed, at least one of the accusing women was convicted of child trafficking in Columbia.
And Tim is pursuing a defamation case against the women now that the cases have all been dismissed.
Tim Ballard's attorneys had a case dismissed without prejudice recently. Meaning the plaintiff, Ms. Whitehead, can amend her complaint if she brings more evidence of "severe emotional distress", according to the judge.
However, it probably should have been dismissed. Her case was pretty weak. Furthermore, the Motion to dismiss, stated the plaintiff failed to start a claim for which relief can be granted. I think the causes of action did not meet the elements required.
However...
The 3 other cases, sexual in nature against Ballard are still on going. 6 former employees are accusing him of sexual assault.
Moreover, Ballard is the subject of numerous criminal investigations.
This is really serious stuff. I was a believer at one time and was pretty much ready to go, but in hindsight I would never touch that book. There has been so much hurt and death, I am now older and I still believe in tent cities because I think there is going to be so much distruction we will not be able to live in our homes and we will need a community but our church leaders don’t seem to want us to know about it so I just stopped. We are going to really be in tune. (I think it would be nice to just be translated.)
What kind of destruction? Wouldn’t it be better not to be in tents just for sanitation? How do the homes get destroyed and people still live and have means of travel? If homes are destroyed so are the cities and roads and means of communication right?
Interesting episode. Not that it will change your message, but you should check out Michelle Stone's 132 Problems episode on Lot's wife. She shares a profound twist that turns this misunderstood biblical figure into a heroic woman.
I loved it too
if she was heroic...she wouldnt have been turned into a dalt statue visible for several centuries for others to see as a warning
Historian Josephus himself mentions he had seen the pillar of her himself and it was still visible then in his day around 70BC
Genuinely confused. I'm very much with you that not all is well in Zion and that the church is in apostasy. So how can you believe that and then in the same breath tell people to stay in the boat (being the church)?
I think until very recently Elder Holland was one of the Apostles that believed that the Second Coming was so far off as to be not worth considering in anything but the most delayed terms. I think his near-death experience and Pres. Nelson's highly elevated rhetoric about the subject has made it more prescient for him. In a past address (I can't remember when, but Jared on Christian Homstead quotes it ad nauseum to support his theory of immediacy of the Second Coming) wherein Elder Holland essentially said the Second Coming could be tomorrow, in a very casual and dismissive way. Jared, not really catching onto the point of his rhetoric, or the casualness with which he was treating the doctrine took it as a fact that it actually could happen tomorrow despite so many multi-year events not yet having taken place. I am not particularly pleased by the vagueness and rigidly anti-apocalyptic tone that it has been treated with by the Apostles in the last few decades. I saw a talk by Elder McConkie from 1979 where he was emphatic about the "nuclear holocaust that shall surely come". Talk like that isn't allowed these days. The most Pres. Nelson can do is drop the term "Second Coming" and let us do the study, wherefrom everyone will have a different interpretation and no consensus, even on the broadest and most basic of notions. I have seen several "orthodoxies" of the Second Coming eschaton as taught in the Church be flatly rejected by Latter-Day Saints in just the last few years:
1. We will build a Temple or Temple Complex in Jackson County Missouri. All but scorned by Doctrine and Covenants central.
2. There will be two prophets of majestic power protecting Jerusalem. Lots of people say that's not really important and could have already happened, or that it is happening and it is two of their particular favorite Apostles.
3. The Third Temple will be built by the Jews in Jerusalem. Plenty of people skirt this for their own immediacy model.
4. The Ten Lost Tribes will return from the "North Countries". This was gradually reduced in importance and similarly buried so as not to sound wacky. It even made it into newer editions of the Book of Mormon, as the Lost Tribes was de-capitalized to "lost tribes" for similar references. The scriptures make it clear that they are a separate group from the Gentile/Ephraimites which constitute the first generations of Church members. Joseph reinforces this in his dedicatory prayer, saying that they are identified with the Gentiles. So, naturally, those who knew Joseph also taught exactly what was taught in Second Esdras concerning a righteous element of exiled tribes left for another place. The Former Soviet Union has a lot of people from the other tribes, but there are not very many people there and still, most are Ephraimites, and I have difficulty seeing them coming to our rescue. Unless the Second Coming is at least centuries in the future, where their numbers are much expanded, since the Church and therefore those called back to their lineage are exceedingly rare. It wouldn't be the cavalry, it'd be a pittance.
Those are just the ones off the top of my head. With so much confusion about the topic, despite clear official Church sources, which contradict the likes of Holland and others, I'm not sure what to say about it. Reading the scriptures is nigh useless since no one agrees on what they refer to. There have been waaaay too many false starts, failed projections and litanies, just whalloping heaps of "Apostolic Blessings" of mission areas that are supposed to become the greatest baptizing place in the world. I went to one of those missions and it still baptizes nobody. So long as vague symbolic language and ancient esotericism prevails upon this subject, it doesn't matter. The Lord left us with nothing, and Apostles are as divided and oblique as the rest of us.
My approach to all this is that it doesn’t really matter when the Second Coming occurs, and that checking off a to-do list may be interesting, and may even help inform Church members (if they keep to the Spirit for proper personal revelation), but it should drive your life. My personal “end of days” could happen today; my time to make good decisions and to properly and righteously lead my family could end today. But plant cherry trees, for yourself or for others. The pulpit in the Salt Lake Conference Center is made of black walnut, from a tree planted by President Gordon B. Hinckley 36 years before it became part of that building.
He comes to cleanse the Earth before He comes to claim it. Zion must be redeemed before we can show Him that we are not idolotors, worthy of wrath.
The cleansing is what is imminent.
We must be equal, according to the Doctrine and Covenants in earthly things before God will make us equal in heavenly things. We’re too mean to deserve His presence until (at the very least) there are no poor among us. We aren’t that level yet. We are low key the cause of many of the poor. We need to learn to live real Zion…only then will we be the solution.
There is no incentive or even possibility to live real Zion until the earth is cleansed. Getting rid of the opposition will cause an overflowing of righteousness, as Isaiah prophesies. Only God and the destroying angels can get rid of the opposition.
That's exactly what the Mormon Masonic Church will do to your brain and beliefs. The book of Mormon is plagiarized from at least five books, that includes the Bible which is approximately 60% of the plagiarized writings. The church is nothing but a 501c3 corporate structure. 200-250 billion dollars strong and the serpent Nelson along with his 14 serpents around him are too greedy to help the poor and needy. They are just building their great and spacious buildings aka temples. You may want to look into Steven Hassan, the bite model. Part of the definitions of a cult, behavior, information, thought and emotional control. I am so glad I have found the truth in the Bible and had my records removed from the Mormon Mason Church. Good luck figuring things out, JS was a criminal, womanizing fraud. And everyone thereafter in the leadership of this false doctrine.
It’s simpler than a check list. This may not be the case but it seems like you’re imagining the second coming events happening in order or falling like dominos like a chain reaction.
To avoid frustration we all need to understand prophecy and how it is fulfilled. It doesn’t not occur like a check list. It will probably be fulfilled differently than our mental mindset. Small example being the prophecy from Joel about the last days being give 800-500 BCE. We see that his end of days prophecy being fulfilled in the book of Acts and another portion being fulfilled 2000 years later on 9/11 according to Gordon B. Hinckley.
I wouldn’t worry about the opinion of RUclipsrs or unverified opinions or perception of opinions from any church leader beyond the single person who holds the priesthood keys for the church. Which is currently Russell M Nelson. He says to be ready so let’s be ready. I hold strong to Elder Oaks version that our life is the real story and what really matters is who we are when we meet him. Either during the second coming or because we leave mortality.
I think that’s why we have been commanded by the Lord to read the book of Isaiah and to study it diligently. He said all the things Isaias spoke have been and shall be. Isaiah has lots of interesting things to say about his time that directly parallels what’s happening today. It helps make sense of what is happening in the church (and the world)
I think it's a REALLY good idea to have a tent. A tent is usually pretty affordable and could be given or gotten as a gift.
If you can afford it, a truck and camper ot trailer would be a good idea. Perhaps a car and trailer or some other setup. It would be much nicer than living in a tent.
A stash of water storage can be very helpful. It's also something you can barter for other needs. Food storage in addition is even better.
Fuel storage is also helpful. I think at this point, most people can see where I'm going with this. Accordingly, we should prepare as much as possible and within reason. Most of all, it's CRUCIAL to read Scriptures, pray regularly, attend Church, live the Gospel and listen for the promptings of The Holy Ghost.
Be calm
Gordon B. Hinckley in the 1990’s to a huge arena in Sacramento told the saints there to stay put, to not think they needed to go to Utah.
obedience to the word of wisdom is possibly a form of calling out.
We were called to move from Arizona to Utah. We had zero plans/desire to move. My husband owned a successful business, our house was paid off. But God asked us to leave. In our stake, there are SEVERAL people who were led to this specific neighborhood, who also had no intention to move until they received specific promptings. It’s pretty awesome to watch God work in this way.
Utah, is falling...The need to "fit in" and turn the other way(from evils in our culture) , is turning Utah into California quickly...
I hope for your sake you were led to a Freedom loving area...that sees the dangers of Marxism (liberalism) . Much of Utah thinks all is well, but it's not...
A similar thing happened where I live in NC. Not sure what it means but definitely an observation that hasn’t been lost on us.
Sanpete is full of people like this
We got moved to Southern Idaho. We ended becoming foster parents and have adopted 3. God moves in mysterious ways, but he plants it out. Far to often we lose sight of the fact he knows what we do not.
Have you discovered any particular reasons as to why
What about leaving Nauvoo to go to Salt Lake Valley to avoid the Civil War😊😊
The introduction to this upload states: "Throughout scripture, God called out the righteous from among the wicked before a destruction. Does this set a pattern that will repeat today?"
Well if it's been the pattern throughout history, would it not??
In the time of Jeremiah there were some who asked him where to go to be safe from the babylonian army and he told them to stay where they were, that they would be safe. Others he told to head to the hills. This is why you get some who say they were prompted to prepare to leave and others fell by the same spirit that they will not have to leave their homes. The world is a big place and to every town/city/county will be in the same degree of danger.
I have family that has been certain of the imminent coming (i.e. perhaps a year or less but not much more) of tent cities…for decades.
He who will save his life shall lose it, but he who shall lose his life for my sake shall save it. If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear. It does not matter where you are located it matters how you are located. The pull, however, is to witness the events leading into the milinial reign of Christ. To even take part in them. To be gathered, as a people, who are of one heart and one mind. For that reason I hope there is a complete separation of the wheat and the tares prior to the second coming of Christ that would be the great city you speak of, and that I am worthy to be part of that city.
There are many people, including myself, whom are following inspiration to prepare places of refuge. I'm not waiting for an actual call-out from the leadership. If/when the time comes to physically remove ourselves from Babylon we will have somewhere to go.
The contradictions between prophets & apostles just shows you they dont know more than the average member when or if members will have to flee to zion, New Jerusalem as SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAYS. So whos misinterpreting scripture or misleading the saints? Why the dependency and non-dependency? God isnt a God of Confusion yet Im told to wait and follow the prophet despite the real possibility of him being wrong. We will flee to zion, we wont flee to zion. LOL. Im just gonna go to the Lord for any counsel on anything. Thats our best path forward. The day of prophetic counsel is basically over. From the callout, to medical advice, to legal rights, politics, etc. Since 2020, I've solely relied on the H.G for direction and counsel, alone, and havent been wrong. Modern prophets have.
only 3 min into this, but... the tent-prophecy already happened. The ENTIRE chapter of the restoration starting before the expulsion to the settling of Utah is this. The saints didn't let the Lord fight their battles; they didn't stay faithful to the Prophet and revelations (lots of apostasy/iniquity/unfaithfulness all through MO and Nauvoo periods), and the faithful/humble saints were sent into the western wilderness (Utah) and the building up of the city of Zion was put on hold until they could rebuild in righteousness.
I live in Sanpete, and i used to think there'd be tent cities. In Spring City, for one example. I don't think so anymore. But i do believe the righteous will be called out. However that will look
@Kristy_not_Kristine I have a cabin in Spring city Rancheros. I wouldn't want to live in a tent anywhere near there in the winter.
Cultural fleeing probably
I think there is a lot of confusion because we have a leader, and that leader has stood still. Yet we feel we know better and thus moving or gathering groups etc. driving fear. Yet our leader has not directed us to do anything aside from get out of debt, have a food storage, gain education. Dont worry if you are prepared, just wait.
What is known about Thom Harrison, author of Visions of Glory? What was his connection to Lori Valo, Chad Daybell, Julie Rowe Ruby Franke, Jodi Hildebrandt?
If you think those people are bad read The victim statements from the David and Roselle Hamblin case.
Yes, thanks for mentioning Hamblin. I am familiar with what he has been accused as well as David Leavitt, former Utah county attorney .
They also have ties to the Best Friends Animal Society in southern UT. BFAS was started by some pretty shady people.
He's a narcissistic wannabe apostle. Stay away.
Who’s a wanna be???
The evil web gets bigger and bigger. Plus the Bennions in Spring City.
American already have multiple tent cities.. and they seem to be increasing…
Very confusing! Seems like listening to the spirit is just a bunch of bias, depending on what scripture we read or what person we listen too. Someone commented last week that God is not a God of confusion. This is all confusion!
You are on the right track Larry, it's all a bunch of hogwash based on the fraud of Joseph Smith and his henchman in scripting the book of Mormon. It's nothing more than an American literature piece based on plagiarizing five books that include the Bible. It's all make believe. I am so grateful that I discovered the truth outside of the cult of Masonic Mormonism.
The problem is that people think that the spirit is communicating with them when they have a good feeling.
The spirit speaks as in words not feelings, always in the scriptures it is clear that angels, the Holy Ghost, the Lord, actually speak words and sentences not just give people good feelings.
That is why so many members are confused and led astray because they are not actually getting revelation but they think they are.
@isaac_steinberg many scriptures in the Bible say not to trust the heart etc. kind of like leaning on your own understanding, or the understanding as told to you by mortal and nefarious men.
@@larrythomas1170 The Mormon church is built on slide of hand, confusion and deception. See X-Mormon informant suppressed history videos on yt.
@@aaronclinger3521 yeah...which was the point of my comment, good feelings are not revelations.
Do members notice and realize that our current apostles for over a decade have not spoken specifically about this topic. You may hear one quote here n there but it easily can be interpreted for different principles or context. But never this clearly as this pattern thru scriptural history shows. Why? I have my own conclusions but it will differ for each person. Despite the denial from apostles when asked about a callout, deep down they know we will at some point have to leave so why not admit it? Oh thats right. They dont want the cabal/govt to know about it, (due to fear). Gotcha 😉. Isnt that always the reason. 🙄
Spiritual preparation and temporal preparation are two sides of the same coin. Since the Book of Mormon is for our day, Captain Moroni prepared the people against the day when the Lamanites would come upon them. Pres. Nelson echoed this when he talked about Captain Moroni, saying, prepare places of refuge, and Never stop preparing. Meaning, we should always be preparing for a day of need. Meaning having the guiding, directing, comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost so that you are prepared to act in whatever manner the Lord calls you. Captain Moroni used traditional methods of defense. Mounds of dirt and swords. He also taught his people to turn their hearts to God and put their trust in him. Both types of preparation. Stay with the Brethren.
Then you stay away from the weirdos. Because there are just as many weirdos or maybe more who think that all they need to do is spiritually prepare because God will catch them up or protect them from every tribulation.
I know people who do nothing to temporally prepare because they believe the brethren have stopped talking about it so it is not needed anymore.
Be prepared for both.
This is so crazy stuff .
I had a year supply until I was diagnosed with celiac disease
I have Some confusion on leaving everything behind why do storage ect if your just going to leave it ?
Because after a year or so (of storage supplies), the threats to our lives will force us to leave our homes. Every situation is diff so the "year supply" is just a safe estimate or precaution in a general sense. No one has or is expected to have storage for 5-7 yrs. That's just crazy. Members think 6 mo -1yr of supplies is crazy. Faith will have to sustain us after "all we can do" or have preps for.
Matt 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
What does the book of Mormon say?
The JST corrects that to the wheat being gathered out first. So does the D&C.
@rebekahgriffin567 This should be of great concern to all Christians, especially LDS. As to which one is correct.
@ which one do you feel fits the pattern of the scriptures?
I really don't think that is what elder holland is saying. He is saying we need to build tge church throughout the world, no need to run. He didn't imply that is all there ever will be. I think many will stay where they are, many will be called out and some will go to zion.
If it is a place as far from a temple as is possible probably true and better get going
I guess thats why we are supposed to not go off into the deep speculative things of the Gospel. The problem is everyone has their own opinions and some people really go off the deep end.
Maybe it is time for you to read the scriptures.
@Veevslav1 I do read them do you?
@@wheels636 I obviously read them more than you.;) Cower in fear at the mysteries of God, AKA speculative things of the Gospel. As for me, I will act as Nephi and ask God to unfold them unto me. God has made a promise that he will unfold them unto us. IF we have the gift of discernment we can know whether we are going astray. This is where diligence is required. But I leave you to think you are reading the scriptures even as you counsel us to not seek for those things...
@Veevslav1 what's really astonishing is that some members missed the last conference talks on Contentious remarks. Makes me think maybe it's just an anti posting.
The storehouse in the granite mountain will be there when you return
19:38 that would sift out the working class and less intelligent people
What is the true order of events before the second coming? John gave us the true order of events before the second coming in the Book of Revelation. There was a book with seven seals. Each section of the book refers to a time period of earth's history. The first time period was from Adam to Noah. The second time period was from Noah to Moses. The third time period was from Moses to Jerimiah. The fourth time period was from Jeremiah to Jesus. The fifth time period was the ministry of Jesus. The sixth time period was the ministry of the apostles. The opening of the sixth seal was manifested by the events of Jesus death, the earthquake, the darkening of the sun and the moon turning to blood and the stars falling from heaven. The final event before the opening of the seventh seal is the ministry of the 144000 sanctified high priests. The 144000 are the angels spoken of in the parable of the wheat and the tares, who will go out and preach the gospel with such great power that their voices cannot be silenced. The gathering of the 144000 has not happened yet, and, therefore their ministry is not happening either. You would like to think that the 144000 would be from the LDS church, but I can guarantee you that there are not 144000 sanctified high priests in the church. The fact is that none of the leaders of the LDS church are sanctified. How can they gather the sanctified if they are not sanctified? Unless the leaders of the church repent of their idolatry, instead of gathering in the 144000, they will be destroy. The first thing that has to happen is a change in the Leadership of the church. If they do not repent of their idolatry, they will be destroyed and their destruction could be this coming April. The Lord is angry with them and he will clean his house of them an bring in a new leadership. The repentance or destruction of the current leadership of the church will be the first sign of the gathering of the 144000. Personally, I do not think or have any hope that the leaders of the church will repent, but they might. How do you feel about that? Do you think they will repent and break off relations with the Catholic church and begin to destroy all their graven images, like that abomination called "Christus" which is not an image of Christ? It is the image of Lucifer.
The ministry of the 144000 could last 15-20 years. Then comes the opening of the seventh seal and all the plagues that will be poured out on the world, which will culminate in the battle of Armageddon, the death of the two witnesses and the three and a half days later, the coming of Jesus.
After reading about the seven thunders in the book of revelation, I wondered what that might mean, so I asked the Lord. He told me that the seven thunders revealed the places of refuse, or in other words, referring to the parable of the wheat and tares, the barns where in the wheat will be gathered. There will be seven places of refuge in the world, two in north America and one in each of the other 5 habitable continents. The two places in North America will be the rocky mountains in the west and the mid west centered in independence. In South America, it will be in Bolivia centered near lake Titicaca. In Europe it will be in Switzerland. In Asia in southern Siberia, in Africa, probably around Lake Victoria and in Australia, into the highest mountains.
Why do you say “holy men” - it’s clearly angels that warned lot and his wife.
Clearly?
I agree with the OP, always been understood and taught as angels.
Sell your home,
Move to Idaho
Live in a tent
Be that crazy person who buys thousands of $ of camping goods and believes the second coming is nigh.
Look at what happened to the poor Daybell family!
& yet here you are. Not able to learn.
Stick with the First Presidency and Apostles!! Trust them, listen to them, they are the Lord’s servants and mouthpieces. Being a member of the Lord’s church he will guide us through the Brethren. Don’t trust man and these fringe groups!
Yes, by all means. Go get another "heaven -sent" vaccine everyone. That isn't trusting in man, the arm of flesh. You can trust the apostles to not lead us astray, indeed.
But "trusting" the brethren includes trusting in the arm of flesh which we are warned about time and time again in the scriptures. I will stick with trusting God only. It's like trusting in "safe and effective". My eye.
Those 15 men represent the Lord, again they are his mouthpieces. HE leads the Church through them., he won’t let them lead us astray!
@@Goldieforeverisme That's false doctrine plain and simple.
@ to trust the Prophet and Apostles ? Wow the Lord trusts his church with them and I trust the Lord !
You will now be featured on AVOW. 😅
Joseph Smith: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction -Then shall the Lord say: Go tell my servants who are the strength of mine house, my young men and middle-aged, etc., Come to the land of my vineyard and fight the battle of the Lord. Then the Kings and Queens shall come, yea the foreign saints shall come to fight for the land of my vineyard, for in this thing shall be their safety and they will have no power to choose but will come as a man fleeth from a sudden destruction. I know these things by the visions of the Almighty." (19 July 1840, as recorded by Martha Jane Knowlton Coray; ms. in Church Historian’s Office, Salt Lake City).
Yes there is a thing called the rapture and its very real and anyone who has not accepted jesus as lord and savior will be leftbhind yes there will be mormons in the rapture there will be people in the rapture from every single denomination the time to accept jesus now .
David Taylor Midegah Ochidaa.
Used to like Holland...But i think he's a false prophet at this point. He's not teaching what Joseph and the scriptures teach. Guess we'll see!
@@Kristy_not_Kristine maybe it's you who is off track if you think that.
38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion. 39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.
So not true, it's all just feel good falsehoods. Why would we believe in false and imperfect prophets or leaders, ancient and modern, or their scriptures, who teach and live contrary to Christ? Study how the Bible, BoM and Gospels came to be, for they are mostly false or fiction and teach contrary to the universal natural law teachings of Jesus, with only trickles of truth in them. The idea of a rapture or Jesus coming back to save 'the righteous' (and most everyone naturally feels they are righteous) is just another one of their false teachings to keep people from realizing they have to live the teachings of Jesus and make the world a paradise on their own.
Heber C Kimball, Life of Heber C. Kimball, p. 450
How is it now? You have the First Presidency, from whom you can get counsel to guide you, and you rely on them. The time will come when they will not be with you. Why? Because they will have to flee and hide up to keep out of the hands of their enemies. You have the Twelve now. You will not always have them, for they too will be hunted and will have to keep out of the way of their enemies. You have other men to whom you look for counsel and advice. Many of them will not be amongst you, for the same reason. You will be left to the light within yourselves. If you don't have it you will not stand; therefore seek for the testimony of Jesus and cleave to it, that when the trying time comes you may not stumble and fall."
@@Posi2300 I've never understood why someone who doesn't believe would bother to even post on a channel where the bulk of people at least believe in Jesus Christ and his church?
@@wheels636 Why does the church bother to send out missionaries around the world to talk to people where the bulk of them don't believe in it? Connor seems to be asking for opinions and thoughts on these things, and it appears that the true teachings of Jesus teach to not believe in ideas like a Rapture, second coming or call out or in those who would teach such things.
@Posi2300 why because the church is true and the Lord commanded we spread his Gospel to the honest in heart. Unfortunately there will always be some who want to cause doubt and loss of faith.
@@wheels636 The church does teach some truths but also many things contrary to the teachings of Jesus, like all religions seem to.
And ye are called to bring to pass the gathering of mine elect; for mine elect hear my voice and harden not their hearts; Wherefore the decree hath gone forth from the Father that they shall be gathered in unto one place upon the face of this land, to prepare their hearts and be prepared in all things against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked.
D&C 29:7-8
D&C 45:71-72
71 And it shall come to pass that the righteous shall be gathered out from among all nations, and shall come to Zion, singing with songs of everlasting joy. 72 And now I say unto you, keep these things from going abroad unto the world until it is expedient in me, that ye may accomplish this work in the eyes of the people, and in the eyes of your enemies, that they may not know your works until ye have accomplished the thing which I have commanded you;
2 Nephi 30:10 - 10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire.
Isaiah 26: 20 -21 - 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Isaiah 41:11-12 - 3 ¶ Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees. 4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
D&C 101:64-67 - 64 That the work of the gathering together of my saints may continue, that I may build them up unto my name upon holy places; for the time of harvest is come, and my word must needs be fulfilled.
65 Therefore, I must gather together my people, according to the parable of the wheat and the tares, that the wheat may be secured in the garners to possess eternal life, and be crowned with celestial glory, when I shall come in the kingdom of my Father to reward every man according as his work shall be; 66 While the tares shall be bound in bundles, and their bands made strong, that they may be burned with unquenchable fire. 67 Therefore, a commandment I give unto all the churches, that they shall continue to gather together unto the places which I have appointed.
And ye are called to bring to pass the gathering of mine elect; for mine elect hear my voice and harden not their hearts; Wherefore the decree hath gone forth from the Father that they shall be gathered in unto one place upon the face of this land, to prepare their hearts and be prepared in all things against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked.
D&C 29:7-8
The Call Out to Places of Safety
Why this is next: When a president is removed from office, it will trigger a series of events that cause more civil unrest and foreign troops to start to invade; all looking to be the next power to rule in America. The call out will be done in quiet during this distraction and before the foreign troops arrive. Once the call happens, the final days of tribulation have begun.
The scriptures are rife with examples of the Lord calling out his elect to be protected against harm during his wrath and destruction. We will be no different as the final days of tribulation appear. Once the Anti-Christ comes to reign "to continue for 42 months" (Rev 13:5), he is determined to make war with the Saints and overcome them. Few will heed the call of a prophet, but those who do will be protected for a short period of time and then lead the way to New Jerusalem.
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D&C 45:71-72
71 And it shall come to pass that the righteous shall be gathered out from among all nations, and shall come to Zion, singing with songs of everlasting joy. 72 And now I say unto you, keep these things from going abroad unto the world until it is expedient in me, that ye may accomplish this work in the eyes of the people, and in the eyes of your enemies, that they may not know your works until ye have accomplished the thing which I have commanded you;
2 Nephi 30:10 - 10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire.
Isaiah 26: 20 -21 - 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Isaiah 41:11-12 - 3 ¶ Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees. 4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
Matthew 24: 40-42 - 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Revelation 18:4 - Come out of her my people . . . that ye receive not of her plagues. Note: In the Greek translation, the word here translated as “come out” literally means exodus.
D&C 101:64-67 - 64 That the work of the gathering together of my saints may continue, that I may build them up unto my name upon holy places; for the time of harvest is come, and my word must needs be fulfilled.
65 Therefore, I must gather together my people, according to the parable of the wheat and the tares, that the wheat may be secured in the garners to possess eternal life, and be crowned with celestial glory, when I shall come in the kingdom of my Father to reward every man according as his work shall be; 66 While the tares shall be bound in bundles, and their bands made strong, that they may be burned with unquenchable fire. 67 Therefore, a commandment I give unto all the churches, that they shall continue to gather together unto the places which I have appointed
8:18 8:19
D&C 63:54 - 54 And until that hour there will be foolish virgins among the wise; and at that hour cometh an entire separation of the righteous and the wicked; and in that day will I send mine angels to pluck out the wicked and cast them into unquenchable fire.