Great reaction! I've been watching Joe Locke in the Marvel series Agatha All Along and he does such a good job holding his own with the seasoned actresses in the cast. Watching the interviews they are all lavish in their praise for him. I get the sense they feel like an older sister for him. Patti Lupone even sent him flowers for his Broadway musical debut earlier in the year.
heh … that was me for like three decades before I finally came to fully understand about the ace spectrum. It’s a real pain going through life thinking there’s something wrong/different about yourself and never knowing what. Like Isaac, I’m “socially gay” but not much into sex or romance. And when I was young, we simply didn’t have the vocabulary re: asexuality that exists now.
Hey GVSV, I just wanted to say I have a similar relationship with my Dad that Nick has with his dad. I have almost had that exact conversation with my dad asking me when I was graduating and I have had to ask my dad to want to be there. But hearing your commentary on that scene was really healing. You saying you shouldn’t have to say “if you want me to be in your life” and hearing your love for your daughter in every episode is really beautiful. So than you for saying that, it meant a lot to me
Go back and set a timer with Nicks dad. From the moment he waves to Nick from the other side of the cafe to the moment he answers the phone is 1:42. One minute and forty two seconds and that includes the time it took Nick and Charlie to walk across the cafe, say hello, introduce Charlie, order coffee, and get sat down. 102 seconds. The guy spent more time using the toilet that morning than he spends talking to his son who has travelled international borders to see him.
Nick repeats the phrase "I'm bi, actually" often, beginning in 2x2. (The phrase shows up on T-Shirts and lapel pins nowadays; it could be used as part of a Heartstopper drinking game, along with "Why are we like this?") So the question arose in your discussion, Why is it so important for Nick to insist on making that statement? It's a primary developmental task of adolescence to develop a sense of self and establish an identity. We saw, throughout season 1, that Nick has embarked on the journey to answering the question: "Who am I?" Until he met Charlie, Nick believed that he was straight--- It was not even a question. It was a component of his identity. That idea about his identity was reinforced by the heteronormative society he was exposed to in the boys school, on the rugby team, and even from off-hand comments by his mom ( for example, when she said in 1x5: "Don't worry. The right girl will come along, just you wait.") Also, as he mentions to Tara, he had been attracted to girls, including her. Being atttracted to girls was what was expected of him (and what he assumed about himself), and there wasn't anything telling him that that was not true for him. And then, he met Charlie, who he told Tara was his best friend. But soon he felt differently towards Charlie than he had felt towards other boys. This created a crack in part of his sense of self. And he is a guy who sees a puzzle, and wants to know/to find things out/to learn. Well, the "Am I Gay" quiz was really not helpful (especially if you believe that it is constructed to give real answers). He most likely thought: What does it mean to be 62% gay? What the hell does that mean? (You're straight or you're gay, right? Wasn't that a strict dichotomy? Shouldn't it be 0% OR 100%?!!!) And if it means I'm gay, what's with the girls I have liked? And after he first kissed Charlie , he told Charlie (in 1x4) that he was not ready to "come out as anything." He didn't say he wasn't ready to come out as gay; he couldn't come out as "anything." This suggested a question that he needed to answer; It was part of "Who Am I?" Two episodes later, he notices, as he watches the movie, that he was attracted to both Keira Knightly AND Orlando Bloom. ("What's up with that?!") More googling and he finds out that bisexuality was a thing. One more thing to puzzle out. He tells Charlie that he has been researching being bisexual and says that might be him , but he's still not sure. Two more episodes, and in the finale, he decides he should come out to the people who matter. That he did not want to go around calling them platonic bffs' and that he was SURE that he was bisexual. That journey from never questioning his being straight, to being SURE that he was bisexual --- took much thought over several months (from January to the end of May, when season 1 ends). *** But now that he has discovered that being bisexual is part of the answer to "Who am I?" ---- he wants people to know him as he knows himself. But a complication arises when he tries to communicate the concept of bisexuality to people who operate on binary thinking (as he had done). It's not understood that you can be bisexual (which has to do with potential attractions) while still being in a homosexual relationship, which has to do with who you have established an important relationship with. They see him in the relationship with Charlie and think, well, he's in a relationship with another guy, so he must be gay. In some cases that he runs into, it's just that the person just names what they see according to societally learned expectations. And all he has to do is to say, gently, "well, actually...." And let them think about their own assumptions. In other cases, it's less benign. For example, Nick's brother David is quite ignorant and an all-around jerk. He dismisses Nick's self expression and says, "If you're gonna be gay, at least admit you're gay." He tells their mom, "Come on! Mum, he's saying he's bi. What a load of absolute bullshit." A case of bi-erasure in general, as well as an erasure of Nick's self identity in one statement. *** *** *** Trying to work out, as an adolescent, who he is, takes a lot of thought and requires adjusting what he once automatically believed about himself. It's a hard-won assertion of self and of an identity. So being a polite guy, Nick gently asserts that he is actually bisexual, when he lets people know who he is. 🩷💜💙
Harry bullied people (esp. Charlie and Tao) with homophobic comments because he thought they’d get a good reaction out of his friends. He was right - at first his mates would laugh, and he got the attention he was craving. In Harry’s eyes, gay people were just pathetic losers and outcasts, good for being the butt of jokes. After the cinema fight, his homophobic comments not only lost him Nick, but Sai, Christian, and Otis, too. Now he can’t go to a party because of his reputation for homophobic comments. He’s experiencing the social consequences of his behavior. He sees that the LGBT clique that has three people he used to have in his orbit (Nick, Tara, and Imogen), and it’s thriving. Gay people aren’t necessarily pathetic outcasts, and he doesn’t get social capital anymore from calling them that. He’s not at risk of being rejected by gay people and sinking deeper into hatred because he didn’t hate them in the first place. They were a tool to get attention, just like the other hapless losers whom he bullied. Yes, he’s going to reflect and not use homophobia to try to get laughs anymore. Is that because he’s becoming a more evolved person? Maybe, especially now that he knows his teammate Nick is with Charlie. More likely, though, it just means he’s going to drop that tool and try to focus on other tools he can use to get attention, because he can’t rely on it like he used to.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand FINALLY we get the surprise interrupted m/m kiss. But it’s not, oh no! Charlie and Nick got caught kissing and now everyone knows Nick isn’t straight! It’s ’we’re in the middle of one of the most important, intimate, heartbreaking conversations (Charlie: I’m stressed about everything)’ and THAT gets interrupted. I don’t know why I picked up on Charlie not eating from S1 E1, I just did. It was a note in my head in passing that he bolted off to school without breakfast at the start of the show. Then when he was playing with the soggy cornflakes instead of eating the morning after Ben assaulted him I immediately got worried that he wasn’t eating out of stress. I don’t have an eating disorder and it’s not something I’m sensitive to in others. I picked up straight away Charlie told Nick he’d eat at home then told his dad he’d eaten at Nicks. I don’t think of that as duplicity or lying. From my own and other’s experience of any kind of mental or invisible phyisical illness, people just automatically ‘mask’, behave as normally in public as possible. Almost no one with ann invisible disability or chronic illness asks for the disabled seats on public transport if we don’t look elderly, pregnant, in pain or disabled from the outside. We have to deliberately and drastically train ourselves into being able to do that. I have been in a storm of crying but had to leave the house and as soon as I stepped past the front gate my tears and sobbing inexplicably stopped entirely. My body wouldn’t cry in public. Parents get lumped into ‘the public’ after you’ve had bad experiences with telling them you have a problem, or that you’re down or stressed. Even if the parents are loving kind people, but they aren’t skilled and they handle the stress of their child being in pain badly, washing the kid in their own pain/fear that their child is in pain. Too many parents even fall into their own pain/fear that their child is in physical/emotional distress so hard the parents dog into into a stress response that turns into anger. From there they can make hasty angry extreme decisions (like Charlie’s mother) or quickly start shouting, abusing, or even hitting their child out of rage. Any of these unskillful or maladaptive responses by a parent told that their child is hurting usually starts the unsupported child into trying to parent their parents by masking problems or pain. The child builds a lifetime habit of automatically trying not to stress other people out by revealing their own stresses. A lifetime habit of not asking for help.
@@elisabethbauman6190 it was a long journey finding the medication, correct multiple diagnoses (the ADHD wasn’t found until later life but the medication was life changing) and the right talk therapy (CBT, ACT, and especially 10 years of DBT allowed me to change my entire personality and long term mood in the way I wanted to). I’m still softening and dancing with the pendulum that says form light to dark as Ren describes it in HI REN. But I have learned how to live a life worth living even though I have been bedbound by a chronic illness for 10 years now. After my mum found a great psychologist and worked with her for 20 years, I even have a reciprocal cordial, loving relationship with her. Although she will probably die before she is emotionally strong enough for me to discuss with her the physical medical neglect that destroyed my life and worse, the particular misconceptions she had about me that broke my mind.
My take away from that study about 20% of Gen Z identifying as LGBTQ+ was that the participants were identifying as “anything not cis and/or straight.” Whereas the relative proportions of gays, lesbians, and trans people have been consistent across generations, the big growth in LGBTQ+ identification came from all of the other letters. Yes, bisexuals dwarf other sexualities in the rainbow alphabet, and I genuinely believe that there were plenty of bisexuals in older generations who did not admit to being bi because of comphet, lack of vocabulary, denial, fear, confusion, etc. HOWEVER, I would like to draw attention to the fact that a ton of people are now identifying as aro and/or ace, along with rising affinity for the demi, pan, and poly labels. Also importantly, a lot of Gen Z are resentful of gender norms, and they are embracing the nonbinary options, especially gender fluidity. Some nonbinary folks feel genuinely agender, but many just feel like “cis” is too limiting when people’s identities are so complicated. So, you can find plenty of Gen Z folks who are in traditional different-sex relationships, but because of the broader, more open way they view themselves, they wouldn’t label themselves as straight. Same with single people who are not in relationships - they feel that because they don’t feel compelled to seek an opposite sex relationship, that they don’t feel compelled to wear the label of straight. I think the youth identifying as LGBTQ+ appreciate that they’re not required to pick a single narrower, more rigid label, and that Gen Z finds comfort in that ambiguity as they progress and experience life.
Remember in season 1 Tao said to Charlie "as your token straight friend" which means that Isaac does not identify as straight. We don't know how he identifies at this point in the show. He's just not straight.
I know the bookshop is a well-known landmark in Paris but Isaac lives in the UK. Truham is is supposed to be in Kent so surely it would be easy for Isaac to go up on the train to London where English-language books would probably be cheaper. I remember going up by train to Foyles (which was then the biggest bookshop in the world, it's downsized a lot now) by myself when I was about that age. I don't know if it's still true but when I was that age, the school year ended two or three weeks earlier for the kids doing their "O" levels (now called GSCEs - the exams Nick was doing) while other kids' lessons continued or had the school's internal end of school year exams. I'm surprised there were no women teachers also acting as chaperones on the trip. With all the shots inside the coach, they should have been visible.
There were two women teachers on the trip, but they were almost entirely cut out of the show, either during filming or in post. You can see them in passing in a couple scenes: in the hotel lobby and when the French vocabulary quiz is being passed out before they go up the Eiffel Tower.
There were women chaperones, but they didn’t have any dialogue. You can see them standing nearby with lanyards around their necks as the Mr. Ajayi is explaining about the French skills worksheet at the base of the Eiffel Tower. Once you know to look for the lanyards, you can glimpse them here and there in other scenes, too.
34:53 I was lucky. As I was slowly coming to realize I was gay, I was reading the science fiction novels and short stories of Samuel R. Delany, who, from the early 1970s, peopling his stories with gay, bi and trans characters, and modeled triadic and open relationships. The books Dhalgren and Triton and even Babel-17 that I was reading modeled ways of living beyond the compulsive heterosexual monogamy that was portrayed almost everywhere else I looked. Decades before the "It Gets Better" campaign, they let me know I had a future I could shape when I had a little more distance from that town, from my family's home. I was a voracious reader, so apart from wishing I'd read a little less science fiction and engage more genres, my parents had little knowledge or insight into what I was reading. Dhalgren would not have passed muster with them for 15-year-old me, if they knew what was in it. But it gave me hope.
For me it was fantasy fiction. I was in high school in the late 80s/early 90s and YA authors like Mercedes Lackey were writing books that were positively full of queer characters.
This episode reminds me when i was meeting my French dad in berlin and telling him with 23 im gay dad, his reaction was stand up and leave but im happy i have contact with my aunt cousin and my 4 half sisters and I'm glad Nick's dad is not homophobic just boring...the only thing he is interested is girls and rugby...boring
I believe that by this point you have watched the rest of this season, but if you haven't, stop reading now... If you have seen the last two episodes, I just want to point out that I love that Nick Nelson is Bisexual, and is played by Kit Connor, a Bisexual actor who was unfortunately forced to come out, and that Charlie Spring is openly gay and is played by openly gay actor Joe Locke, and Elle is a Trans character played by Trans actress Yasmin Finney, and Isaac, who is aro/ace is played by Toby Donavan, an aro/ace actor.
In Toby's instagram and youtube shorts, as well as an article --- Toby Donovan, the actor, identifies as gay; Isaac the character he plays (is revealed to be Aro/Ace in 2x7 and 3x1 and 3x3.
article title: ‘Heartstopper’ cast sexualities: Kit Connor, Joe Locke, and more Some of them mimic their characters, others go against the grain. Chynna Wilkinson Published: Jul 27, 2023 4:54 AM on WGTC
Hey, Guys... I watched this in the middle of the night last night, sort of half-awake. When I woke up, I realized that I was puzzled by your trying to work out Isaac's deal. According to the list of episodes that you've published on your channel, you've published up through 2x6 (last night) and the third season episodes through 3x5. I don't know what the rules are about revealing information about episodes you've already posted/reacted to. To be safe, I guess, I won't be specific about the information/spoilers. But I can list episodes where you can find the information you are looking for. The information that you wanted will be introduced briefly in 2x7 (and implied very briefly in 2x8). The information is elaborated on in 3x1 and 3x3 (which you've already covered on your channel). Since this last is already on your channel, I thought you already knew about it. I hope I have not over stepped. 🩷💜💙
Alex and Carl watched all the Heartstopper Seasons in order. They thought they could get season 1 and 2 watched, edited and released before season 3 dropped, but unforeseen circumstances delayed the editing of S2 and thus the release of the season 2 reactions. They didn’t want to put off dropping the season 3 reactions too far, so they are in the middle of a hybrid/combined drop of Season 2 AND Season 3 reaction drops at the same time. I’m finding this unexpectedly fun because I get to talk in the season 2 drops about anything that comes to fruition in Season 3, up to the latest S3 episode they’ve put out. Basically it’s safe to talk about all of Season 2 now, and the latest S3 episode.
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Nick's has his relationship with his dad to thank for contributing to him being such a people pleaser.
And his affinity to Rugby
Great reaction!
I've been watching Joe Locke in the Marvel series Agatha All Along and he does such a good job holding his own with the seasoned actresses in the cast. Watching the interviews they are all lavish in their praise for him. I get the sense they feel like an older sister for him. Patti Lupone even sent him flowers for his Broadway musical debut earlier in the year.
I think Isaac wants to want it, and that's what he's feeling.
heh … that was me for like three decades before I finally came to fully understand about the ace spectrum. It’s a real pain going through life thinking there’s something wrong/different about yourself and never knowing what. Like Isaac, I’m “socially gay” but not much into sex or romance. And when I was young, we simply didn’t have the vocabulary re: asexuality that exists now.
Hey GVSV, I just wanted to say I have a similar relationship with my Dad that Nick has with his dad. I have almost had that exact conversation with my dad asking me when I was graduating and I have had to ask my dad to want to be there. But hearing your commentary on that scene was really healing. You saying you shouldn’t have to say “if you want me to be in your life” and hearing your love for your daughter in every episode is really beautiful. So than you for saying that, it meant a lot to me
Go back and set a timer with Nicks dad. From the moment he waves to Nick from the other side of the cafe to the moment he answers the phone is 1:42. One minute and forty two seconds and that includes the time it took Nick and Charlie to walk across the cafe, say hello, introduce Charlie, order coffee, and get sat down.
102 seconds. The guy spent more time using the toilet that morning than he spends talking to his son who has travelled international borders to see him.
Nick repeats the phrase "I'm bi, actually" often, beginning in 2x2.
(The phrase shows up on T-Shirts and lapel pins nowadays;
it could be used as part of a Heartstopper drinking game, along with "Why are we like this?")
So the question arose in your discussion, Why is it so important for Nick to insist on making that statement?
It's a primary developmental task of adolescence to develop a sense of self and establish an identity.
We saw, throughout season 1, that Nick has embarked on the journey to answering the question: "Who am I?"
Until he met Charlie, Nick believed that he was straight--- It was not even a question. It was a component of his identity.
That idea about his identity was reinforced by the heteronormative society he was exposed to in the boys school, on the rugby team, and even from off-hand comments by his mom ( for example, when she said in 1x5: "Don't worry. The right girl will come along, just you wait.")
Also, as he mentions to Tara, he had been attracted to girls, including her. Being atttracted to girls was what was expected of him (and what he assumed about himself), and there wasn't anything telling him that that was not true for him.
And then, he met Charlie, who he told Tara was his best friend.
But soon he felt differently towards Charlie than he had felt towards other boys.
This created a crack in part of his sense of self.
And he is a guy who sees a puzzle, and wants to know/to find things out/to learn.
Well, the "Am I Gay" quiz was really not helpful (especially if you believe that it is constructed to give real answers).
He most likely thought:
What does it mean to be 62% gay? What the hell does that mean?
(You're straight or you're gay, right? Wasn't that a strict dichotomy? Shouldn't it be 0% OR 100%?!!!)
And if it means I'm gay, what's with the girls I have liked?
And after he first kissed Charlie , he told Charlie (in 1x4) that he was not ready to "come out as anything." He didn't say he wasn't ready to come out as gay; he couldn't come out as "anything." This suggested a question that he needed to answer; It was part of "Who Am I?"
Two episodes later, he notices, as he watches the movie, that he was attracted to both Keira Knightly AND Orlando Bloom.
("What's up with that?!")
More googling and he finds out that bisexuality was a thing.
One more thing to puzzle out.
He tells Charlie that he has been researching being bisexual and says that might be him , but he's still not sure.
Two more episodes, and in the finale, he decides he should come out to the people who matter. That he did not want to go around calling them platonic bffs' and that he was SURE that he was bisexual.
That journey from never questioning his being straight, to being SURE that he was bisexual --- took much thought over several months (from January to the end of May, when season 1 ends).
***
But now that he has discovered that being bisexual is part of the answer to "Who am I?" ---- he wants people to know him as he knows himself.
But a complication arises when he tries to communicate the concept of bisexuality to people who operate on binary thinking (as he had done).
It's not understood that you can be bisexual (which has to do with potential attractions) while still being in a homosexual relationship, which has to do with who you have established an important relationship with.
They see him in the relationship with Charlie and think, well, he's in a relationship with another guy, so he must be gay.
In some cases that he runs into, it's just that the person just names what they see according to societally learned expectations. And all he has to do is to say, gently, "well, actually...." And let them think about their own assumptions.
In other cases, it's less benign.
For example, Nick's brother David is quite ignorant and an all-around jerk.
He dismisses Nick's self expression and says, "If you're gonna be gay, at least admit you're gay."
He tells their mom, "Come on! Mum, he's saying he's bi. What a load of absolute bullshit."
A case of bi-erasure in general, as well as an erasure of Nick's self identity in one statement.
*** *** ***
Trying to work out, as an adolescent, who he is, takes a lot of thought and requires adjusting what he once automatically believed about himself.
It's a hard-won assertion of self and of an identity.
So being a polite guy, Nick gently asserts that he is actually bisexual, when he lets people know who he is.
🩷💜💙
Well and clearly laid out!
love your guys React videos thanks for making them for us to enjoy
Harry bullied people (esp. Charlie and Tao) with homophobic comments because he thought they’d get a good reaction out of his friends. He was right - at first his mates would laugh, and he got the attention he was craving. In Harry’s eyes, gay people were just pathetic losers and outcasts, good for being the butt of jokes. After the cinema fight, his homophobic comments not only lost him Nick, but Sai, Christian, and Otis, too. Now he can’t go to a party because of his reputation for homophobic comments. He’s experiencing the social consequences of his behavior. He sees that the LGBT clique that has three people he used to have in his orbit (Nick, Tara, and Imogen), and it’s thriving. Gay people aren’t necessarily pathetic outcasts, and he doesn’t get social capital anymore from calling them that. He’s not at risk of being rejected by gay people and sinking deeper into hatred because he didn’t hate them in the first place. They were a tool to get attention, just like the other hapless losers whom he bullied. Yes, he’s going to reflect and not use homophobia to try to get laughs anymore. Is that because he’s becoming a more evolved person? Maybe, especially now that he knows his teammate Nick is with Charlie. More likely, though, it just means he’s going to drop that tool and try to focus on other tools he can use to get attention, because he can’t rely on it like he used to.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand FINALLY we get the surprise interrupted m/m kiss. But it’s not, oh no! Charlie and Nick got caught kissing and now everyone knows Nick isn’t straight! It’s ’we’re in the middle of one of the most important, intimate, heartbreaking conversations (Charlie: I’m stressed about everything)’ and THAT gets interrupted.
I don’t know why I picked up on Charlie not eating from S1 E1, I just did. It was a note in my head in passing that he bolted off to school without breakfast at the start of the show. Then when he was playing with the soggy cornflakes instead of eating the morning after Ben assaulted him I immediately got worried that he wasn’t eating out of stress. I don’t have an eating disorder and it’s not something I’m sensitive to in others. I picked up straight away Charlie told Nick he’d eat at home then told his dad he’d eaten at Nicks.
I don’t think of that as duplicity or lying. From my own and other’s experience of any kind of mental or invisible phyisical illness, people just automatically ‘mask’, behave as normally in public as possible. Almost no one with ann invisible disability or chronic illness asks for the disabled seats on public transport if we don’t look elderly, pregnant, in pain or disabled from the outside. We have to deliberately and drastically train ourselves into being able to do that. I have been in a storm of crying but had to leave the house and as soon as I stepped past the front gate my tears and sobbing inexplicably stopped entirely. My body wouldn’t cry in public.
Parents get lumped into ‘the public’ after you’ve had bad experiences with telling them you have a problem, or that you’re down or stressed. Even if the parents are loving kind people, but they aren’t skilled and they handle the stress of their child being in pain badly, washing the kid in their own pain/fear that their child is in pain. Too many parents even fall into their own pain/fear that their child is in physical/emotional distress so hard the parents dog into into a stress response that turns into anger.
From there they can make hasty angry extreme decisions (like Charlie’s mother) or quickly start shouting, abusing, or even hitting their child out of rage. Any of these unskillful or maladaptive responses by a parent told that their child is hurting usually starts the unsupported child into trying to parent their parents by masking problems or pain. The child builds a lifetime habit of automatically trying not to stress other people out by revealing their own stresses. A lifetime habit of not asking for help.
I’m so sorry you’ve gone through all that! Hopefully you’ve been able to do some healing ❤️🩹
@@elisabethbauman6190 it was a long journey finding the medication, correct multiple diagnoses (the ADHD wasn’t found until later life but the medication was life changing) and the right talk therapy (CBT, ACT, and especially 10 years of DBT allowed me to change my entire personality and long term mood in the way I wanted to). I’m still softening and dancing with the pendulum that says form light to dark as Ren describes it in HI REN. But I have learned how to live a life worth living even though I have been bedbound by a chronic illness for 10 years now.
After my mum found a great psychologist and worked with her for 20 years, I even have a reciprocal cordial, loving relationship with her. Although she will probably die before she is emotionally strong enough for me to discuss with her the physical medical neglect that destroyed my life and worse, the particular misconceptions she had about me that broke my mind.
My take away from that study about 20% of Gen Z identifying as LGBTQ+ was that the participants were identifying as “anything not cis and/or straight.” Whereas the relative proportions of gays, lesbians, and trans people have been consistent across generations, the big growth in LGBTQ+ identification came from all of the other letters. Yes, bisexuals dwarf other sexualities in the rainbow alphabet, and I genuinely believe that there were plenty of bisexuals in older generations who did not admit to being bi because of comphet, lack of vocabulary, denial, fear, confusion, etc. HOWEVER, I would like to draw attention to the fact that a ton of people are now identifying as aro and/or ace, along with rising affinity for the demi, pan, and poly labels. Also importantly, a lot of Gen Z are resentful of gender norms, and they are embracing the nonbinary options, especially gender fluidity. Some nonbinary folks feel genuinely agender, but many just feel like “cis” is too limiting when people’s identities are so complicated. So, you can find plenty of Gen Z folks who are in traditional different-sex relationships, but because of the broader, more open way they view themselves, they wouldn’t label themselves as straight. Same with single people who are not in relationships - they feel that because they don’t feel compelled to seek an opposite sex relationship, that they don’t feel compelled to wear the label of straight. I think the youth identifying as LGBTQ+ appreciate that they’re not required to pick a single narrower, more rigid label, and that Gen Z finds comfort in that ambiguity as they progress and experience life.
Remember in season 1 Tao said to Charlie "as your token straight friend" which means that Isaac does not identify as straight. We don't know how he identifies at this point in the show. He's just not straight.
I know the bookshop is a well-known landmark in Paris but Isaac lives in the UK. Truham is is supposed to be in Kent so surely it would be easy for Isaac to go up on the train to London where English-language books would probably be cheaper. I remember going up by train to Foyles (which was then the biggest bookshop in the world, it's downsized a lot now) by myself when I was about that age.
I don't know if it's still true but when I was that age, the school year ended two or three weeks earlier for the kids doing their "O" levels (now called GSCEs - the exams Nick was doing) while other kids' lessons continued or had the school's internal end of school year exams.
I'm surprised there were no women teachers also acting as chaperones on the trip. With all the shots inside the coach, they should have been visible.
There were two women teachers on the trip, but they were almost entirely cut out of the show, either during filming or in post. You can see them in passing in a couple scenes: in the hotel lobby and when the French vocabulary quiz is being passed out before they go up the Eiffel Tower.
There were women chaperones, but they didn’t have any dialogue. You can see them standing nearby with lanyards around their necks as the Mr. Ajayi is explaining about the French skills worksheet at the base of the Eiffel Tower. Once you know to look for the lanyards, you can glimpse them here and there in other scenes, too.
34:53 I was lucky. As I was slowly coming to realize I was gay, I was reading the science fiction novels and short stories of Samuel R. Delany, who, from the early 1970s, peopling his stories with gay, bi and trans characters, and modeled triadic and open relationships. The books Dhalgren and Triton and even Babel-17 that I was reading modeled ways of living beyond the compulsive heterosexual monogamy that was portrayed almost everywhere else I looked. Decades before the "It Gets Better" campaign, they let me know I had a future I could shape when I had a little more distance from that town, from my family's home. I was a voracious reader, so apart from wishing I'd read a little less science fiction and engage more genres, my parents had little knowledge or insight into what I was reading. Dhalgren would not have passed muster with them for 15-year-old me, if they knew what was in it. But it gave me hope.
For me it was fantasy fiction. I was in high school in the late 80s/early 90s and YA authors like Mercedes Lackey were writing books that were positively full of queer characters.
That’s so cool!
This episode reminds me when i was meeting my French dad in berlin and telling him with 23 im gay dad, his reaction was stand up and leave but im happy i have contact with my aunt cousin and my 4 half sisters and I'm glad Nick's dad is not homophobic just boring...the only thing he is interested is girls and rugby...boring
I believe that by this point you have watched the rest of this season, but if you haven't, stop reading now...
If you have seen the last two episodes, I just want to point out that I love that Nick Nelson is Bisexual, and is played by Kit Connor, a Bisexual actor who was unfortunately forced to come out, and that Charlie Spring is openly gay and is played by openly gay actor Joe Locke, and Elle is a Trans character played by Trans actress Yasmin Finney, and Isaac, who is aro/ace is played by Toby Donavan, an aro/ace actor.
In Toby's instagram and youtube shorts, as well as an article ---
Toby Donovan, the actor, identifies as gay; Isaac the character he plays (is revealed to be Aro/Ace in 2x7 and 3x1 and 3x3.
article title:
‘Heartstopper’ cast sexualities: Kit Connor, Joe Locke, and more
Some of them mimic their characters, others go against the grain.
Chynna Wilkinson
Published: Jul 27, 2023 4:54 AM on WGTC
Hey, Guys...
I watched this in the middle of the night last night, sort of half-awake.
When I woke up, I realized that I was puzzled by your trying to work out Isaac's deal.
According to the list of episodes that you've published on your channel, you've published up through 2x6 (last night) and the third season episodes through 3x5.
I don't know what the rules are about revealing information about episodes you've already posted/reacted to.
To be safe, I guess, I won't be specific about the information/spoilers.
But I can list episodes where you can find the information you are looking for.
The information that you wanted will be introduced briefly in 2x7 (and implied very briefly in 2x8).
The information is elaborated on in 3x1 and 3x3 (which you've already covered on your channel).
Since this last is already on your channel, I thought you already knew about it.
I hope I have not over stepped.
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Alex and Carl watched all the Heartstopper Seasons in order. They thought they could get season 1 and 2 watched, edited and released before season 3 dropped, but unforeseen circumstances delayed the editing of S2 and thus the release of the season 2 reactions. They didn’t want to put off dropping the season 3 reactions too far, so they are in the middle of a hybrid/combined drop of Season 2 AND Season 3 reaction drops at the same time.
I’m finding this unexpectedly fun because I get to talk in the season 2 drops about anything that comes to fruition in Season 3, up to the latest S3 episode they’ve put out. Basically it’s safe to talk about all of Season 2 now, and the latest S3 episode.
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THANKS!!
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