What's So Great About Invincible? A Roundtable Discussion with
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Invincible was a superhero comic that started in 2003 and ran for 15 years. Written by Robert Kirkman with art from Cory Walker and Ryan Ottley, the book was a coming of age story where Mark Grayson gains strength and flight from his alien heritage. But the book went through many different arcs and is now adapted into a hit Amazon animated show. In this episode, I sit down with Comic Drake and GodzillaMendoza for a wide-ranging discussion of our favorite elements, what the adaptation may do better, and similar recommendations.
Chapters:
0:00:00 Intro
0:03:26 Why we like Invincible
0:04:15 Skip 1st spoiler
0:10:08 Are there consequences
0:12:26 Skip 2nd spoiler
0:15:29 Subverting character tropes
0:17:20 Is the character directionless
0:21:28 Favorite era
0:26:16 The animated show
0:31:41 Will the extended comic characters show up
0:39:00 We voice act
0:41:07 Structure
0:49:30 Issue 110
0:52:14 Debbie Grayson
0:55:48 Omni-Man
0:57:47 Similar comics
1:05:35 Ryan Ottley art
1:07:48 Plugs 
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Thank you so much for having me! It's always such a pleasure to get a chance to talk to you. Hopefully we'll be dropping in Fortnite soon. 💖
Thanks again for having me on, Chris! It was great talking to you guys, we should do it again sometime!
I really enjoyed it, too. Thank you so much for your time and your insights.
I am now a new subscriber to your channel because of this episode. Looking forward to watching about cartoon Spider-Man.
@@ComicTropes Chris I’m going to pre apologize because if I ever meet you I’m going to scream COMIC TROPES
Super cool seein both of ya on the same thumbnail.
Thanks for shouting out Irredeemable Xavier! It's honestly a good entry into the "evil Superman" genre without being as downtrodden as The Boys.
I honestly didn’t find the boys “downtrodden”, I found it horribly immature.
Everything Garth Ennis writes seems like it was written by a 14 year old whose entire personality is defined by his ardent atheism.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124snd super heroes suxx and he literally writes em for all living
His punisher run was pretty good. He does war stories very well, and seems to really respect soldiers. I completely agree with everything you wrote nonetheless.
@@markpage9886yeah if you read the Boys you can clearly tell he hates superheroes because they're untrained and take away from real heroes (soldiers)
I’d like to note that Steven Yeun has actually been VA pretty consistently since 2016-Present, being in 200+ episodes as a lead roles across various shows like Voltron, Trolls (plus it’s spin-offs) Final Space and Tuca & Bertie.
He was also Mako in Legend of Korra!
@@BlueB33dlehe was Avatar Wan. Mako was played by Bud Bundy from Married with Children
Yeah i don't think he is having any trouble "keeping up"
I really appreciate you acknowledging your potential bias going in as having tangentially worked on the title. Shows respect for your audience and awarness of yourself. Great video!
Kirkman´s Fire Power is like Invincible and it´s Shounen manga references are more obvious than Invincible where it can be summed up as references to the fascist Saiyan society and how they grow stronger after near death.
Invincible is a weird book as it is as emotionally draining and dark as it gets but the comic also plays topes straight while deconstructing them on the side so you rarely focus on the dour elements. The hyper-stylized art and the bright colors also help.
Drake buying for others is PEAK! That’s so awesome and cool of him
Wow! ComicTropes, ComicDrake, and GodzillaMendoza all together! This is like The Avengers of comic books...........wait...
Definitely hoping yall have many more of these discussions! Most people in my life wont give it a chance because its animated, so its nice to have a place to discuss all its themes and messages.
I really loved the series and am enjoying the show. I wish Kirkman would have given it 48 more issues. He left so many great ideas on the table in that last issue.
A single main storyline with a proper beginning, middle and end. It has a plan for its characters and sticks to them, no BS retcons or reboots, deaths are important and have consequences, characters are allowed to change and grow.
Its a conventially well written super hero comic that avoids nearly all the pitfalls DC and Marvel made for themselves
_"Berserk is way too dark"_
As a recommendation in a similar vein to Invincible, absolutely. Puck and Isidro are the only parts that are close to "light hearted".
Astounding Wolf-Man had the bloody but not dark tone too. Wolf-Man was my favorite Kirkman project.
Don't normally watch roundtable talks, but this was awesome. Loved your guests and the smooth conversation you guys have. Will look into their channels as well.
Hope you get to upload onto your channel the off-topic section that was cut out. I am curious about the tangent conversation you went to. :)
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I've known about the series since around 2018 because of its popularity and finally gave it a read. It's one of the best comics I've ever read, and Mark is one of my top 5 superheroes of all time now. I love the irony of how Nolan's fake story of the Viltrumites that he told Mark as a kid became a reality at the end of the series.
the sexual assault part was kinda messed up and the perpetraitor did get off easy but what I really liked about that part of the story was the aftermath of that. Mark and his son (the product of this assault) talking about both of their feelings regarding their relationship to one another felt sad, complicated, sincere and somewhat sweet.
Wouldn't call getting mauled to death "getting off easy"
Every Viltrumite did way worse than sexual assault by being a soldier in the Space Nazis
I hope they show the assault in the animated series and the PTSD Mark suffers and I would have atom eve confront Anisa
@@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677I mean there is that, and as readers we know that thematically that's a consequence because she has to pay for what she did in some way, but within the narrative there's no real consequences for her that are a direct result of her doing it. There's never a point where it's like "you did this terrible thing, and this is how you're going to be brought to justice."
There's just the sort of meta level of character did bad thing so character dies horribly later but what she did and the death aren't actually connected.
@@Vivi2372that's because it's a good story, and good stories don't always give us everything we want.
The rapist was Anissa, she didn't face consequences for what she did, but having that child and living in earth did change her outlook genuinely reformed her. She ended up dying protecting Eve.
A comprehensive overview of the best, most consistent and cohesive funnybook series I've read so far. You pointed out many of my favorite things about the title. I got the whole collection and read all 1500 pages of it last year after the Amazon show's first season teased me with its microscopic portion of the story. I only read comics on the terlet, so INVINCIBLE was the definitive butt-numbing experience.
Invincible is one of my all time favorite comics the characters the story the tone all of it excellent this and the walking dead made me a kirkman fan excellent discussion guys
Wow. I’ve just been bingeing on GodzillaMendoza and now he’s here! Must see TV!
This was really great! I really enjoyed the discussions.
Conquest is one of my favorite villains in anything.
I would easily listen to a group like this as a podcast, yalls bouncing off each other is fun😊
I agree that actions and stories having consequences made Invincible great. I think Kirkman learned that from Erik Larsen---although Savage Dragon used universe jumping resets to subvert that at times. I like when Bulletproof became Invincible in the book. The size of the cast was huge that Invincible felt like a real world and not just a city in need of protection.
woooooooo Comic Tropes and Comic Drake collab??!! Now this is a treat!!
Stay tuned! We should have another one soon. 😉
I LOVED the brainstorming in this episode. ❤️❤️❤️
two of my favorite comic youtubers in one video.
Regarding the SA discussion: I'm strongly against cutting it out. It's already such a rare thing to see in popular media and I feel like cutting it out is simply shying away from it out of fear of backlash or even fear of messing it up again.
Like Chris said, and even Robert Kirkman himself, this adaptation allows improvement upon the original source now that everything is on the table and we know where everything goes.
I think they should do their research, talk to victims and gain a deeper understanding of the issue and execute it better than the comic did.
And this wouldn't just be for the sake of making a better story, but also because it's such an important topic and they have the potential to spark a greater discussion on the topic that still, to this day, has a gross culture sorrounding it. From people denying its existence, to people saying they're "jealous" it didn't happen to them and all that nonsense. I would be immensely disappointed if they cut it.
one episode i would like to see is ONE on Dan Brereton
great episode yall. Tropes and zilla are sum of my fav youtubers and ive dabbled in drakes stuff. Keep killing it. Loved listening❤
This is a great group here to chat about an amazing story!
As someone who really enjoyed season 1, and is thinking on starting the comic, I really enjoyed this Roundtable discussion, honestly it was very interesting to see each perspective every one of the members had.
I highly recommend giving the comic a go
@@jamesstewart8500 I will!
A collaboration between my favorite comic youtubers
Invincible is one of my favorite comics and superheroes. The fact that he's getting more mainstream recognition is famtastic.
Amazing work from all you guys
We NEED more of this with you 3, please make this a weekly /monthly podcast I beg
These 3 talking about Invincible…this is my Avengers.
Why aren’t they advertised in the thumbnail?? i would’ve clicked way sooner (their names get cut off the title on mobile)
This was a great and different episode. Love this kind of content for spicing up the channel. The recommendation of Radiant Black was on point.
*Omni Man DID react negatively to the Anissa thing. He grabbed her by the neck and almost slammed her through a spaceship. Mark held him back and told him to stop.*
I'd love more of these, y'all have great chemistry.
Thanks, Chris, for the reminder of how old I am (as old as Invincible). I can now rot in my shallow grave for the rest of eternity!
This is a good episode, but "my dad talked about this when I was wee lad" hit hard. I remember when Invincible was new.
Always fun to see favorite comic book youtubers do collabs! Also nice to see talk abiut Invincible. I watched the first season of Invincible right before the second one began and I’m now caught up. I think I might have to check out the comics as well
I just bought the first compendium because I love the show and i can't wait to start reading it
loved this type of video
54:38 I think this is actually a great idea, Nolan confronts her, she leaves in shambles and flies back to Earth and we are introduced to her Earth partner. She breaks down in his arms and there is some dialog where she admits what she did and who her other son's father is. The audience could see that she now understands what she did, how wrong it was and now she's repentant. Much better than her saying sorry during a fight.
Steven Yeun and JK Simmons had done tons of VO work prior to Invincible, Yeun as a lead in Voltron and the Trollhunters series and JK in Legend of Korra, Gravity Falls and tons more.
Much appreciation for your a content!!!
Keep up the good work my friend!
I love invincible it’s such a awesome series and tons of fun in my opinion.
As much as I like Invincible and Walking Dead (comics). I still hold Kirkman's Ultimate X-Men run against him.
@@pious83 i can understand that but honestly i don't blame Kirkman for his ultimate X-Men run mostly because i think his run was sabotage by marvel comics from the very beginning.
@@TevyaSmolka Regardless of blame. The worst part about it, that makes it the most memorable. It was the last run before Ultimatum. That left it with almost as much notoriety as that event itself.
@@pious83 that's true and you're right about that.
I love the "we had so much fun we forgot we where recording" card
Invincible is easily my favorite comic story! So glad to see this discussion between my favourite comic channels.
mmmmm, I'm not sure the whole argument, "but it's a cartoon." A BIG factor why the marvel films worked, they got storyboard artists from Avatar the Last Airbender working on the first Avengers film. And also Steven Yeun did Voltron which was also handled by the Avatar crew, who also worked on Spider-Verse.
Actually they tried to push a motion comic around 2009ish. Always thought it was an interesting idea. Fun video
A "spoiler alert" would have been nice ;-)
I've only read the first compendium and already it's one of my favourite superhero comic
If Kirkman likes DS9 i hope he gets Avery Brooks to do a voice.
I've always thought it was funny how I got the first few preview issues of Invincible for free at a comicon read them put it aside and like 20 years later I am buying the giant compendiums and thinking this comic seems familiar and than I remembered...LOL :P
59:18 similar tone comic: MC2's Spider-Girl, A-Next, and Fantastic Five universe. It was self-contained enough to appreciate by itself.
Collab are fun. Thx
It also made it much 'easier' to kill off characters since the book actually planned to have an ENDING. It's harder to permanently kill off major characters in comics intended to basically go on 'forever' like Spider-Man etc.
Indeed 😊
While im not a fan of Comic Drake,😢 I do thank him for getting me into Invincible years ago. Im always here for a passionate Discussion. Glad to see this lengthy topic covered with everyone and main man Godzillamandoza! Great video gentlemen!
why not a fan? drake is so nice!
@@BlamoStramoDrake's videos are definetely good and he seems like a decent fella, I kinda feel like he hypes up the quality of his own videos too much
Literally the only story arc I would say I dislike more than I like is the reboot arc because there are so many needless time skips in this book. Literally everything else about this book I would call near perfect. That ottley art is my favorite part it just gets better and better. With the John Rauch colorist, the ottley art is some of my favorite comic art of all time.
I loved your John Byrne episode! Byrne has his 15 minutes of fame for sure, but I agree with you, he had moments that were stellar! His best work was Terry Austin inked him, and early F.F. run, man he made She - Hulk sexy bro!!!
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A crossover I NEVER thought I'd see!
2 things: 1. I have not read many of these, but all of the animated series; which is too violent by far - the intestinal gore takes away from the good character creation. 2. Battlebeast looks more like a Kzinti than a Klingon to be honest - as per the original animated ST series; "borrowed" from the Ringworld series, by its original author, LARRY NIVEN for ST.
This story is amazing I'm on issue 8 rn and it's just WOW 🤯
Good discussion. It would be great if you could do the entire series but that would be quite the undertaking.
1:09:16 even worse than that I have notifications turned on and a lot of the time I still won't get them and sometimes RUclips will auto turn that setting off like when people had a problem with being unsubbed without manually doing it themselves years ago
Hey! I love comic drake and Xavier, this was great watch!
I'd love to see Ron Perlman voice Conquest and Josh Brolin as Thragg.
Tech jacket will probably be in the show, because they showed the geldarian emperor in episode 3 i think. Brit probably wont be there though.
If Brit doesn't appear I'll be so upset, ik technically he's his own character but I've always viewed him as an Invincible character at heart
Incredible video with a lot to discuss…but on the Spider-Man of it all, I think it is only a matter of time before we get an inter-company crossover outside of the comic medium, and it does feel right for Spider-Man to be the one to cross that barrier. It won’t be shocking if it doesn’t happen, but it feels like the stars may have aligned for it to becomes a reality
Great video gents! I think Invinicble is the best superhero book this century hands down. The show is keeping the spirit and the changes that they made all seem to work for me. I really don't know what I can recommend that would stand up to it, honestly. I would love to see another discussion about the book, either way thank you for this video!!
Hot takes: Omni Man got off way easier than Anissa and I hate how Eve in the ending of the story is simply Amber in the show.
I think Omni Man actually had to go through an arc to get to the point of redemption while Anissa gets to skip to the end
I'll have go come back to this. I have to watch season2 first
The show is the best super hero series of all time. It's brilliant no arguments.
I'd like to see the same animation group work on a new Savage Dragon cartoon. The crossovers seem important in both comic book series.
What’s so great about Evil Gory Superman, I mean, Invincible?
One word: blood. Lots of it.
Although I'm a huge fan of Baki and have watched both the original OVA and anime' before the Netflix adaptation/sequels, and read the entire series up to the latest arc in Bakidou (excluding all the spin-off series), I have to say that a better recommendation is a manga series not that many people even know about called "Koukou Tekkenden Tough". A little difficult to find but highly worth it. It does have an anime OVA adaptation called "Shootfighter Tekken" which is great and dubbed. It's very similar to Baki however I'd personally say the series leans ever so slightly more into realism. The story is about a high schooler named Kiibo who dreams of becoming the next Bruce Lee while being trained by his father in the family's secret martial art of "Nadashinkage-ryu" until an encounter one night with a professional wrestler turns the wrestling world against him and threatens him that if he should ever lose he must reveal to the worst the secrets of the ancient martial art. The plot does go into more detail about Kiibo's father and why exactly although Kiibo wants to be Bruce Lee, his own abilities may actually greatly surpass that of his idol's. A lot of the wrestling world within the manga actually offers loads of respect for what wrestlers often go through it's honestly amazing. If I had to describe it in simpler words, the series really makes you feel what it truly means to be "tough".
I just finished reading the comic like 7 hours ago
Would love to see more of this format or even a podcast 👀
Will you guys do a review of Attack on Titan and the author someday?
I think the lack of resolution in Anissa's actions needs to stay that way.
How many people that have similar experiences get that closure? Not many.
It's more powerful for Mark to have a real set of experiences. I do agree, however, that Nolan being better would improve the direction of that arc.
Would you say that if it was a woman raped by a man?
Jupiters Legacy is something to check out after INVINCIBLE
xavier mendoza
I have zero interest in the live action adaptation which is apparently in the works. The cartoon is so good and should take precedence as the definitive adaptation without having to be 'legitimised' as a live action piece.
Would you consider an episode on Archie supheroes such as The Fly?
INvincible is fire!!!!!
🔥🔥🔥
Fans of Invincible should really check out the webcomic Strong Female Protagonist.
The premise is that one of the most powerful superheroes in the world reveals her secret identity and quits being a superhero after her arch-enemy reveals a terrible secret to her. Like Invincible, this comic deals with real world issues and has a progressing story with real consequences. Some of the main themes of SFP revolve around what it means to be a hero and the ethics of wielding incredible power.
Can’t recommend the webcomic enough. One of my favorite stories, ever.
I gave this the no-look like. Sure to be a great video that I'll watch later :)
Shockfactorman?
Steven Yeun has actually done some voice acting
Invincible is definitely my top #01 comic, loved the discussion and I'm now waiting for the Fortnite stream as well lol
Spoiler alert...........................................................
With the Anissa issue and not having a clear resolution. I like that choice because sometimes there isn't a resolution on the offender. And that sucks but it brings a bit of reality to the situation. And we get Mark's growth from it.
My favorite part is its a complete story.
I can only hope to make a superhero comic as good as Invincible. It's an inspiration to it. Even made an entire race inspired by the Viltumites (called them Trilovites because I'm not good with alien names.)
I’m new to your channel. It would be great to get some background on your career. For example, what does a comic proof reader do?
I like it because of its influences. I sell it as DBZ meets Spiderman
I agree, I sometimes sell it as Superman meets Quentin Tarantino aswell, but I like your DBZ meets Spiderman comparison
Couple of reasons I dont say Superman is because Supes doesnt really focus on adolescence and is infallable. Kryptonite is such an afterthought that its kind of boring. I love that Invincible isnt Invincible
I keep confusing Invincible and Super Crooks... Both were Really Good, but I somehow keep thinking certain villains from Super Crooks were in Invincible, and Vice Versa!
Spawn and Young Blood could 1000% show up, they're owned by the image founders and could do whatever they want with those characters lmao.