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@@lennartstockl5826I mean it’s not as bad this time because it’s only 120 attack and you have to use your Tera on it for the attack boost. Also there is counterplay with flash fire storm drain and sap sipper and rock isn’t that good yet.
Something to note as well is that ogerpon hearthflame having mold breaker means it can 1v1 the current unaware mons and win. Dondozo dies to grass stab and doesn't have anything that hits it for super effective while clod can run poison stab but it's generally much better to run eq as an attack and also ivy cudgel fucks it up because it's not as physically bulky. Overall I actually really like ogerpon hearthflame as an offensive threat since it adds another layer of mind games to tera timing. You can tera early to get the plus 1 atk and super ivy cudgel if your confident you can win right there or you can save it so you keep mold breaker and the water and ground neutralities. Definitely interesting to see another layer to tera other than "will I use it on a different Mon" because on a mon as powerful as hearthflame ogerpon the answer is almost always no (see kingambit as the best example)
It's interesting how the only Unaware pokémon that can still try to tank is Skeledirge, since it resists both STABs and unboosted Stomping Tantrum won't really do that much to it.
@@asierx7047 dirge can't really do much in return tho. Ogerpon actually has decent spdef and it can't be burned so if your running hex as your ghost stab which most do then your kinda screwed. Also plus 2 stomping tantrum still hurts quite a bit and it's definitely getting a turn. And lastly if you tera'd already then your screwed. Still probably the best unaware matchup
@@SantosOverlord usually I stick with knock for the utility but play rough can be useful for stuff you can't hit super effectively or stuff you only hit super effectively with grass because even at plus 2 trailblaze probably isn't ohkoing tusk
You know, if I had a nickel for every Gen 9 Pokémon that was essentially a lovable female gremlin running around smacking people with a big stick, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?
I think that the Grass/Rock Ogerpon is pretty underrated. It's a nice Lead that can lay out at least one layer of spikes, maybe go for a Swords Dance and Ivy Cudgel (Rock) is a great offensive move and can one shot Pokemon like Alolan Ninetales (common Lead) and even takes down the Fire-Ogerpon even if it loses the Speed Tie thanks to sturdy.
Grass/Fire Ogerpon is really juicy. Definitely the best one. Just don't fall into using Tera when Heatran is around and you don't have a Stomping Tantrum.
@@SantosOverlord But the likely threat of Stomping Tantrum, which Heatran is quad-weak to pre-Tera, will make a smart player hesitant to send it in against Ogerpon. Pokemon is a game of inches and prediction. The best players try to anticipate what their opponent will do and either try to counter that move or take advantage of an opening presented by a switch.
I don't know how good that will be lol. Considering ogrepon has a random rock typing, we can assume terapagos will be rock type, which isn't super great in Ubers right now. It's gimmick will have to be really really good for it to be Ubers viable.
even though it's not the best ability in the world, especially without being able to hold an item like boots, it's cool to see sturdy finally given to a pokemon that can take significant advantage of it. previously the only decent sturdy users were suicide hazard setters like shuckle, and i think it's actually a pretty cool ability on paper.
It also gets grassy glide so you can pair it with Rillaboom and feels so nice to play. It’s another way to beat truck room with grassy glide priority and a great move for Ogrepon-Heartflame. I’ve had a lot of fun pairing it with a few different partners like Torkal (helping hand and eruption and sun), imprison Farigiraf if I don’t have grassy glide so I can stop trick room, and Scald Milotic (Grass, Fire, Water coverage is amazing and hypnosis). I’ve also had success with follow me while using Flutter Mane and Iron Hands
As a monofire trainer, I’m really happy with Ogerpon. One wood hammer can OHKO a full health Marvel scale Milotic. Great for coverage. I also love her adorable face. Though I keep trying to spell it Ogrepon instead of Ogerpon. I’m Australian, we spell words Re instead of er. Like centre.
As I commented on the first video on Ogerpon, I was disappointed by the leaks that boiled down to "yet another legendary with an ability that just grants +1 to X stat" but after seeing the finalized design I must say I'm quite pleased, all these different restrictions are good and healthy for the game while also being unique, I love how it changes ability and attributes only when using tera which is honestly how the entire mechanic should've worked from the beginning
ik megas weren't everybody's cup of tea, but i love how ogerpon feels like a mega in a new age. its ability to change roles mid game is super powerful for sure, but its known threat and predictability feels better than having to guess 1/3 viable teras on mons. also definitely excited to see more support sets, ive mostly been seeing swords dance go brr or trailblaze hearthflame
@@milonchello1643I can see Okidogi having a niche in OU. He actually does have some potential. Fezandipity as well actually. No clue about Munkidori, havent tested him
I believe that the second dlc will have more pokemon that gain benefits upon terastilizing and I am not talking about terapagos. I hope they will buff gengar.
Would be kinda neat to have a Tera variant of Glimmora. It seems to have this odd connection to terastal energy, and is weirdly prominent in places like the champion’s team.
Bruh Gengar does not need buffs that thing got so many buffs, a mega, a gigantimax, etc. that thing gets so much love already. How about all the other Pokémon that have gotten nothing since Gen 1/2?
While I recognize the advantages for the other forms, Cornerstone has been so fun to use in Sandstorm in Doubles. The SpDef boost is so helpful and with a partner like Flutter Mane or Fezindipidi plus sandstorm, you can slow the oponent/chip them enough to knock them out. Helps that with the popularity of Hearthflame, your own Ivy Cudgel can knock it out rather easily.
At this point, I just appreciate that Ogrepon is no Calyrex. Strong, but still seems fair for the most part. I think the most telling part is that, if Tera gets banned (please), or just next gen when it's inevitably left by the wayside and forgotten, Ogrepon is gonna have *nothing special about it* to be worth fearing. It'll be a strong little guy, good attack and good speed, but nothing that's going to live in infamy for being busted like some of the Legends they've been using to market games and DLCs lately.
Yeah, it’s good that they’re holding back on the AG bait for now. The second dlc is probably going to be a balancing monstrosity though. If the dlc 1 main legend is this good, imagine what the dlc 2 main legend (that’s also supposed to be the trio master of Koraidon [NDAG] and Miraidon, presumably) will be like. Shiver me Timbers.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise I would be surprised if Terapagos was tied to the super-paradox motorcycle dragons. I think it's more likely to play with Terastalization like Ogrepon and not really have a relationship with the motorcycles than to be the Rayquaza to their Groudon and Kyogre.
@@parkerdixon-word6295 Yeah, but it’d be weird to just shirk a tradition that’s like 20 years old at this point without any notice. That’s not really GF’s flow when it comes to this stuff, so I’d be very surprised if we went this gen just without the boxlegend trio master. Terapagos by all accounts, fits the bill of serving an Eternatus/Necrozma style role with M and K, given its lore ingame being linked to that of the paradox Pokemon, so I’d be very shocked if it was just its own little creature with no relation to em.
I'm all for revealing Tera-type in Team Preview (it's already done in Open Team-Sheet formats like VGC), but outright banning it in Smogon would be a huge shame. It's not so broken like Dynamax and its boosted HP and souped-up moves was. All it is is changing type and allowing STAB to be kept on existing moves. Yes, Pokemon like Kingambit become much harder to deal with, but that's more because the common Tera-types like Ghost, Water and Fairy are just too good defensively. Overall, Tera adds so much depth to strategy - it encourages Pokemon that would be non-viable otherwise to be used, and also encourages out-of-the-box thinking. Of course, some Tera choices are obvious - most Pokemon like to Tera into a type that resists their counters/checks, or into one of their STABs, especially if it removes a common weakness. But imagine the satisfaction of pulling off a 5D-chess move by Tera-ing into something your opponent completely didn't expect. Plus, even if you know what Tera-types the opponent's 'mons are, you still have to figure out which one most likely to Terastallize in your battle and prepare a strategy to deal with that.
my favorite one is the cornerstone one, like you said an almost guarenteed swords dance. With a 120 base power 100% accurate rock move, hornleech/trailblaze for grass stab and utility for itsel and ground or fighting coverage makes it really hard to switch into after it has set up.
I'm glad we got what we have instead of another legendary with ridiculous base stats its stats are good but not ridiculous like some other pokemon we have seen like the paradox pokemon
You did that whole Hearthflame analysis and completely forgot to mention Sun boosting the Fire STAB even more, and enabling it to run SOLAR BLADE as its Grass STAB. Running this with a setter like Torkoal allows you to double up on your Fire Nuke potential and debatably Tera either one of them... and having any weather setter at all has the additional benefit of giving you a hard-read counter to Alolan Ninetails spam and them going for immediate Aurora Veils to facilitate their own broken setup sweepers.
What you forgot to mention about the four forms is that only the Grass form can hold items. That means you can use a Choice Band set + Tera Grass to pretty much outspeed + OHKO every Pokémon it hits with Ivy Cudgel or Wood Hammer. You can also give it a Scope Lens to increase the critical hit rate of Ivy Cudgel, or use Focus Energy to guarantee it crits every time.
I can kinda see Ogerpon Cornerstone being a niche option on Sand teams. Sandstorm will increase its Sp Def, so with Embody Aspect giving it Def will increase its bulk by a good margin (plus it has the only 100% accurate rock move, that being Ivy Cudgel).
It's kinda cool how even if the Hearthflame form turns out to be too broken and needs to be banned, at least there's the option to just ban the Hearthflame Mask as an held item without damaging any of the other forms' place in OU. Not trying to start an argument here, just trying to see the silver lining at the end of the debate since I'm not an experienced competitive player myself.
The grass form with choice band is nasty. Grass isnt a great offensive typing, but ivy cudgel is just such a reliable move, and the speed boosts means you outspeed every non-scarf mon, and most scarf ones if you go jolly.
ogerpon-wellspring got a single free turn against me swept my entire team while burnt because my steel type was Empoleon (I did play bad but i thought i had counterplay that just wasn't real)
Shoutout to the cool Grass/Rock typing. Took them long enough since Cradily. They are really cool compliments of each other, Rock protecting Grass from Fire/Flying/Poison while Grass protects rock from Water and Ground.
I think base Ogerpon could be nice with a Banded set. Embody Aspect Speed boost is nice and the immediate power of band can let Ogerpon do more. It's also more defensively viable than Meowscarada since it's not the terrible Grass/Dark type.
How does ogerpon interact with trick/knock off? What if you get your masked swapped/removed before/after tera? Does your ability change? What if you tera fire then get your fire mask knocked off? Or get tricked a water mask?
I find it interesting that Ogerpon's different masks and types actually complement each other well in different ways. The Cornerstone Mask form's Rock/Grass typing is actually a good combination - the two types, normally very poor defensively by themselves, cover each other's weaknesses well. Rock turns Grass' weaknesses to Poison, Flying and Fire to neutral, while Grass turns Rock's weaknesses to Water, Ground and Grass to neutral, leaving it only weak to Steel, Bug, Ice and Fighting. It also doesn't have many longevity issues thanks to its access to Leech Seed, Synthesis, and Horn Leech. Plus, Sturdy lets it live the common Ice and Fighting attacks that would otherwise one-shot it, Swords Dance up, then Tera and go for the sweep with the best direct-damage Rock move in the game - Ivy Cudgel (Rock). I thought that Water Absorb was kind of useless on a Pokemon that's already 4x resistant to Water, but that Ability would make it a perfect Scald absorber now that the move has returned as a TM. It can switch in on an expected Scald, then either KO or force out the user with another Grass STAB like Wood Hammer (or at least the threat of it). Water and Grass is also a great defensive combo, with Grass turning both of Water's weaknesses to neutral, while Water turns Grass' Fire weakness to neutral, leaving it only with Bug, Rock and Flying as a weakness. And even if something with Mold Breaker attacks Wellspring-Ogerpon with a Water move, she will still quad-resist the attack. She does have to be careful of Pokemon with Freeze Dry pre-Tera, as she'll be quad-weak to it. In VGC, it will be highly vulnerable to the likes of Iron Bundle. But the Fire one is obviously where it's at, offensively. Grass/Fire has good offensive coverage, with Fire hitting the Steels that would resist its Grass STAB, while Grass hits the Rock, Ground and Water types that would stymie Fire-types. Under the sun facilitated by Torkoal, not much is going to survive its Fire-type Ivy Cudgel, especially after it Teras. Of course, Synthesis helps with its longevity, especially under sun. I suspect once Gen 9's Restricted meta starts in VGC, we're going to see a lot of Koraidons paired with Hearthflame Ogerpons. Oh, and Mold Breaker means she can absolutely demolish Pokemon that depend on the Unaware Ability to tank stuff.
I hope they don’t ban it, although it will be high usage rate as it 1v1s both tusk and gambit in fire form at full, and can do both if they give you gambit first for whatever reason.
i quite like the design of these legends and its clear that they put actual thought into them rather than the treasures of ruin just being minmaxed monsters, but the fire one really ruins that. its item gives a 20% multiplicative boost, tera fire enhances stab and gives an attack boost, trailblaze boosts speed, and it has access to swords dance and sun. then give it a 100bp no drawback fire move and it's completely unstoppable
heartflame is strong for the reasons of being complimentary in every way possible that isn't revolving around Bulk. Not only does it got a Great typing in Fire and Grass which smites Waters, Rock and Ground Targets but also got Fire which smites Steel (which would resist grass), other Grass types, and Ice types. On top of the fact you cannot be burned and get hit neutrally by water and ground attacks. Then gave it a good attack stat 120 with mold breaker while its stab Options are strong hitting with Ivy Cudgel and Wood Hammer (Or Trailblaze). Since it has Mold Breaker, it can ignore the abilities *Flash Fire* (As said in the video) and also *Unaware* meaning its boost can go undeterred. Heatran is one of the targets that wants no smoke since Heatran runs Tera Grass so regardless of the situation, Heatran don't want to be smited by Ivy Cudgel. Once those targets are down, tera into fire and you proceed to kill the entire enemy squadron with pure wallbreaking potential. *Really the only downside to Ogerpon's Heartflame mask is a stealth rock weakness* *Heartflame can be "Predictable". Really just a question of "How you gonna manage it" because one slip up and this thing ends careers XD* If given a singular turn, it can wipe out the entire enemy line with nearly no pushback.
After tera, firepon 2hkos every pokemon. You'd expect a maximally physically bulky water type to at least survive a hit or two, but max physical defense pex is nearly 2hkoed by a resisted ivy cudgel, not to mention it dies to a following horn leech and especially a wood hammer.
@A_quip it's speed isn't too overbearing it looses moldbreacker after terra. Plus it forces you to use your terra on ogerpon. Otherwise if you can put your opponent in a position where they terra a different mon it becomes safer. Plus it's week to entry hazards that are particularly common this gen.
Whoah......what happens when pokemon moves on from terastralizing as a game mechanic....is ogerpon the only pokemon that can do it outside of S/V or......?
Id imagine it mught be like battle bond, that being it gets a stat boost after a certain requirement is filled, like koing or the use of a specifc move/item
I've been playing DOU, so here's my take on the 4. Grass is good but a bit to one dimensional. It's all in on Grass which isn't a great offensive type and other moves lack the power needed. Unless you allow it to set up, you can typically do better. Stone, I really wish I could slap a Scarf on it. It's good but it's just got to many weaknesses to really be top tier. Water, this is the one I'm using and honestly, I think it's perfect for doubles. It resists so much, it's Tera ability is great against a lot of mons, and pair it with Rain for extra damage. It just is so strong while also being able to fully take advantage of support. Fire, strong, but it's defenses aren't good enough to brute force several great mons. You're really relying on killing everything before they kill you, and between speedier mons and priority it can be taken advantage of. Strong but not broken.
Tbh ogrepon isnt banworthy imo. It has an exploitable weakness being the masks kinda telegraph and most movesets are Ivy cudgle, Horn leech, swords dance etc. Its honestly easy to play around if you think for a bit and dont just slam a button... which is how a legendary should be I love my peanut shaped daughter
Let's be honest, after how she was treated, Ogerpon DESERVES to tear through competitive, as a treat. She DESERVES to be higher tier than the Lousy Three.
I don’t think Operpon-hearthflame should be banned in singles, although it’s string right now I think people will figure out good ways to hard counter it and then we will start seeing more diverse sets on it.
do you think gamefreak has an on and off switch whether they decide to design a genuinely well-balanced, fun, and interesting pokemon or not. i like this one a lot
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Yes
Yu too youre paowerful is my fav
@@theclew47 Yeah that's good.
Ogerpon being better than the Lousy Three competitively is true to the lore.
Has Gamefreak learned nothing from the Zacian disaster?
Bro you can't go after my homie the funky munkidori like that
Honestly I feel bad for Ogerpon she was basically bullied by everyone
At least it's grass type and has 120 atk
@@lennartstockl5826I mean it’s not as bad this time because it’s only 120 attack and you have to use your Tera on it for the attack boost. Also there is counterplay with flash fire storm drain and sap sipper and rock isn’t that good yet.
Nobody tell Ogerpon about its secret Dark Type tera form when it’s holding the Majora Mask
It's hilarious how diverse Ogerpon can be yet the Loyal Three get little to nothing.
Lore wise she deserves it
@@azeria1okidogi is alright tbh
I agree, the loyal 3 are by far, the most disappointing legendaries I've ever seen. They give me regigigas vibes.
Okidogi with bulk up drain punch literally never dies
@@Yethegoat10 slap on Tera fairy for counter play if needed and it’s a deadly combo instead of knock of I run ice punch for pesky ground types
Absolutely love this little goober as a semi-competitive semi-casual player. She’s perfectly friend shaped, and has many different ways to play it!
Something to note as well is that ogerpon hearthflame having mold breaker means it can 1v1 the current unaware mons and win. Dondozo dies to grass stab and doesn't have anything that hits it for super effective while clod can run poison stab but it's generally much better to run eq as an attack and also ivy cudgel fucks it up because it's not as physically bulky.
Overall I actually really like ogerpon hearthflame as an offensive threat since it adds another layer of mind games to tera timing. You can tera early to get the plus 1 atk and super ivy cudgel if your confident you can win right there or you can save it so you keep mold breaker and the water and ground neutralities.
Definitely interesting to see another layer to tera other than "will I use it on a different Mon" because on a mon as powerful as hearthflame ogerpon the answer is almost always no (see kingambit as the best example)
It's interesting how the only Unaware pokémon that can still try to tank is Skeledirge, since it resists both STABs and unboosted Stomping Tantrum won't really do that much to it.
@@asierx7047 dirge can't really do much in return tho. Ogerpon actually has decent spdef and it can't be burned so if your running hex as your ghost stab which most do then your kinda screwed. Also plus 2 stomping tantrum still hurts quite a bit and it's definitely getting a turn. And lastly if you tera'd already then your screwed. Still probably the best unaware matchup
and they cant just switch in since you will get +2 the only hard part is the 4 th move to choose between play rough or knock off
@@SantosOverlord usually I stick with knock for the utility but play rough can be useful for stuff you can't hit super effectively or stuff you only hit super effectively with grass because even at plus 2 trailblaze probably isn't ohkoing tusk
@@noishfanboy1141dirge can yawn
You know, if I had a nickel for every Gen 9 Pokémon that was essentially a lovable female gremlin running around smacking people with a big stick, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?
What's the other one?
@@sandeepssv8930Tinkaton
@@sandeepssv8930Tinkaton I think
its the siwwy ewa :3
Wdym this is the only one
I think that the Grass/Rock Ogerpon is pretty underrated. It's a nice Lead that can lay out at least one layer of spikes, maybe go for a Swords Dance and Ivy Cudgel (Rock) is a great offensive move and can one shot Pokemon like Alolan Ninetales (common Lead) and even takes down the Fire-Ogerpon even if it loses the Speed Tie thanks to sturdy.
It will rise in meta like crazy once people knows how much powerfull this variant is
Doesn’t Fire-Ogerpon have mold breaker? So sturdy won’t work
Grass and Rock also pretty complimentary, both on defence and offense.
THEY ARE SOO CUTE RIGHT?
Cute and deadly 😂
@@bobbyjudd999 sooo true
Grass/Fire Ogerpon is really juicy. Definitely the best one. Just don't fall into using Tera when Heatran is around and you don't have a Stomping Tantrum.
Even if you do, he often teras grass, so it could still be good if they burnt tera, but 9/10 mold breaker is going to be good to atleast scare heatran
even if he Terra Grass he still has flash fir so if you Terra you cant do much to it since you lose mold breaker
@@SantosOverlord But the likely threat of Stomping Tantrum, which Heatran is quad-weak to pre-Tera, will make a smart player hesitant to send it in against Ogerpon. Pokemon is a game of inches and prediction. The best players try to anticipate what their opponent will do and either try to counter that move or take advantage of an opening presented by a switch.
Just imagine what Terapagos can do
For real though. I’m on the edge of my seat here.
Super effective and resisted to everything
I don't know how good that will be lol. Considering ogrepon has a random rock typing, we can assume terapagos will be rock type, which isn't super great in Ubers right now. It's gimmick will have to be really really good for it to be Ubers viable.
I'm guessing it will basically be protean tera, where it's tera type changes when it uses a move with a different type than its current tera
Tbh it looks like a really slow mf
Ogerpon having max EV’s and IV’s in adorableness alone makes her OU.
even though it's not the best ability in the world, especially without being able to hold an item like boots, it's cool to see sturdy finally given to a pokemon that can take significant advantage of it. previously the only decent sturdy users were suicide hazard setters like shuckle, and i think it's actually a pretty cool ability on paper.
It also gets grassy glide so you can pair it with Rillaboom and feels so nice to play. It’s another way to beat truck room with grassy glide priority and a great move for Ogrepon-Heartflame. I’ve had a lot of fun pairing it with a few different partners like Torkal (helping hand and eruption and sun), imprison Farigiraf if I don’t have grassy glide so I can stop trick room, and Scald Milotic (Grass, Fire, Water coverage is amazing and hypnosis). I’ve also had success with follow me while using Flutter Mane and Iron Hands
I like ogerpons design as well, great informative video! Mold breaker is pretty insane on heartflame lol
Yeah Heatran should be worried
As a monofire trainer, I’m really happy with Ogerpon. One wood hammer can OHKO a full health Marvel scale Milotic. Great for coverage. I also love her adorable face. Though I keep trying to spell it Ogrepon instead of Ogerpon. I’m Australian, we spell words Re instead of er. Like centre.
Monotype zzzzzzz
I personally find it more fun and creative than standard OU. That to me is boring as hell.@@viennaawesome6924
oh yeah, i never thought about that. Ogerpon-H must be a heavensend for monofire trainers
@@viennaawesome6924 monotype is fun though?
@Greatbabyred ignore bro
He's just sleeping
He has a snorlax pfp
As I commented on the first video on Ogerpon, I was disappointed by the leaks that boiled down to "yet another legendary with an ability that just grants +1 to X stat" but after seeing the finalized design I must say I'm quite pleased, all these different restrictions are good and healthy for the game while also being unique, I love how it changes ability and attributes only when using tera which is honestly how the entire mechanic should've worked from the beginning
'ITS OGER TIME"
tera grass fire
tera grass water
tera grass rock (this is the 2nd grass rock type in pokemon afer cradilly)
Ogrepon is literally the 2nd grass/water, grass/fire & grass/rock.
@@19_LuiSal_95 oohhh yeah ludicolo is the 1st one
Damn..
ik megas weren't everybody's cup of tea, but i love how ogerpon feels like a mega in a new age. its ability to change roles mid game is super powerful for sure, but its known threat and predictability feels better than having to guess 1/3 viable teras on mons. also definitely excited to see more support sets, ive mostly been seeing swords dance go brr or trailblaze hearthflame
0:33 my favorite Ogerpon forms: Teal Mask, Meowscarada, Cornerstone, Wellspring, and Hearthflame
Shrek's daughter going ogre.
We finally know what the point of the mask is 🎉
Admittedly I’m kind of glad the new trio aren’t viable in OU. Gives me good reason to use their cool tools in the lower tiers.
Just wait a couple weeks and we might see at least monkidori or okidogi have some niche in ou
@@milonchello1643I can see Okidogi having a niche in OU. He actually does have some potential. Fezandipity as well actually. No clue about Munkidori, havent tested him
@@VictorbrineSC munki is just an offence mon, probably in ou he would be a clean up sweeper
I believe that the second dlc will have more pokemon that gain benefits upon terastilizing and I am not talking about terapagos.
I hope they will buff gengar.
Would be kinda neat to have a Tera variant of Glimmora. It seems to have this odd connection to terastal energy, and is weirdly prominent in places like the champion’s team.
Imagine Mega Pokémon with Held Items
Bruh Gengar does not need buffs that thing got so many buffs, a mega, a gigantimax, etc. that thing gets so much love already. How about all the other Pokémon that have gotten nothing since Gen 1/2?
Cornerstone form is the best because it's mask is the joy emoji. Very gaming.
It's the Hisuian Samurott saying "It's oger for me" in the thumbnail that fucking does it for me. God bless you Jimothy.
While I recognize the advantages for the other forms, Cornerstone has been so fun to use in Sandstorm in Doubles. The SpDef boost is so helpful and with a partner like Flutter Mane or Fezindipidi plus sandstorm, you can slow the oponent/chip them enough to knock them out. Helps that with the popularity of Hearthflame, your own Ivy Cudgel can knock it out rather easily.
She attacc
She (spikey) protect
But most importantly...
SHE BONK
At this point, I just appreciate that Ogrepon is no Calyrex. Strong, but still seems fair for the most part.
I think the most telling part is that, if Tera gets banned (please), or just next gen when it's inevitably left by the wayside and forgotten, Ogrepon is gonna have *nothing special about it* to be worth fearing. It'll be a strong little guy, good attack and good speed, but nothing that's going to live in infamy for being busted like some of the Legends they've been using to market games and DLCs lately.
Yeah, it’s good that they’re holding back on the AG bait for now. The second dlc is probably going to be a balancing monstrosity though. If the dlc 1 main legend is this good, imagine what the dlc 2 main legend (that’s also supposed to be the trio master of Koraidon [NDAG] and Miraidon, presumably) will be like. Shiver me Timbers.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise I would be surprised if Terapagos was tied to the super-paradox motorcycle dragons. I think it's more likely to play with Terastalization like Ogrepon and not really have a relationship with the motorcycles than to be the Rayquaza to their Groudon and Kyogre.
@@parkerdixon-word6295 Yeah, but it’d be weird to just shirk a tradition that’s like 20 years old at this point without any notice. That’s not really GF’s flow when it comes to this stuff, so I’d be very surprised if we went this gen just without the boxlegend trio master. Terapagos by all accounts, fits the bill of serving an Eternatus/Necrozma style role with M and K, given its lore ingame being linked to that of the paradox Pokemon, so I’d be very shocked if it was just its own little creature with no relation to em.
Ogerpon is more comparable to Urshifu or Regieleki bst wise
I'm all for revealing Tera-type in Team Preview (it's already done in Open Team-Sheet formats like VGC), but outright banning it in Smogon would be a huge shame. It's not so broken like Dynamax and its boosted HP and souped-up moves was. All it is is changing type and allowing STAB to be kept on existing moves.
Yes, Pokemon like Kingambit become much harder to deal with, but that's more because the common Tera-types like Ghost, Water and Fairy are just too good defensively. Overall, Tera adds so much depth to strategy - it encourages Pokemon that would be non-viable otherwise to be used, and also encourages out-of-the-box thinking. Of course, some Tera choices are obvious - most Pokemon like to Tera into a type that resists their counters/checks, or into one of their STABs, especially if it removes a common weakness. But imagine the satisfaction of pulling off a 5D-chess move by Tera-ing into something your opponent completely didn't expect.
Plus, even if you know what Tera-types the opponent's 'mons are, you still have to figure out which one most likely to Terastallize in your battle and prepare a strategy to deal with that.
And Hearthflame form just got banned from OU.
Its all Oger for Urshifu too in VGC
She goes crazy.
This is insane.
my favorite one is the cornerstone one, like you said an almost guarenteed swords dance. With a 120 base power 100% accurate rock move, hornleech/trailblaze for grass stab and utility for itsel and ground or fighting coverage makes it really hard to switch into after it has set up.
I'm glad we got what we have instead of another legendary with ridiculous base stats its stats are good but not ridiculous like some other pokemon we have seen like the paradox pokemon
Missed opportunity for a Stone Mask joke when doing the mask bit.
Could've been funny enough to send Kars into space.
You did that whole Hearthflame analysis and completely forgot to mention Sun boosting the Fire STAB even more, and enabling it to run SOLAR BLADE as its Grass STAB. Running this with a setter like Torkoal allows you to double up on your Fire Nuke potential and debatably Tera either one of them... and having any weather setter at all has the additional benefit of giving you a hard-read counter to Alolan Ninetails spam and them going for immediate Aurora Veils to facilitate their own broken setup sweepers.
At least they allowed you to see which Ogerpon you're facing
What you forgot to mention about the four forms is that only the Grass form can hold items. That means you can use a Choice Band set + Tera Grass to pretty much outspeed + OHKO every Pokémon it hits with Ivy Cudgel or Wood Hammer. You can also give it a Scope Lens to increase the critical hit rate of Ivy Cudgel, or use Focus Energy to guarantee it crits every time.
I can kinda see Ogerpon Cornerstone being a niche option on Sand teams. Sandstorm will increase its Sp Def, so with Embody Aspect giving it Def will increase its bulk by a good margin (plus it has the only 100% accurate rock move, that being Ivy Cudgel).
I pray excdrill comes back soon
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@@milonchello1643 yes
It's kinda cool how even if the Hearthflame form turns out to be too broken and needs to be banned, at least there's the option to just ban the Hearthflame Mask as an held item without damaging any of the other forms' place in OU. Not trying to start an argument here, just trying to see the silver lining at the end of the debate since I'm not an experienced competitive player myself.
Oger thrives because it's a 6 mana 6/7, which are notoriously great stats for the cost, I don't understand why people didn't expect this 😑
"Protean which gives it STAB on..."
(dark, dark, grass, u-turn)
"...various... moves..."
There's Play Rough, Toxic Spikes, Shadow Claw, Thunder Punch, and Trick if you want to be niche about it..
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The grass form with choice band is nasty. Grass isnt a great offensive typing, but ivy cudgel is just such a reliable move, and the speed boosts means you outspeed every non-scarf mon, and most scarf ones if you go jolly.
I've been enjoying grass oger too. I like 3 attacks with either uturn or spikes. Acts kinda like old greninja.
ogerpon-wellspring got a single free turn against me
swept my entire team while burnt because my steel type was Empoleon
(I did play bad but i thought i had counterplay that just wasn't real)
She is here. You can rejoice, it´s all oger now!
the background music reminds me of maplestory
I love how in the story, the Stupid Three bully oger, but in comp its the other way around. Really makes it go full circle
Honestly ogerpon grass would make an excellent choice band user just because of defiant and the speed boost.
Shoutout to the cool Grass/Rock typing. Took them long enough since Cradily. They are really cool compliments of each other, Rock protecting Grass from Fire/Flying/Poison while Grass protects rock from Water and Ground.
I think base Ogerpon could be nice with a Banded set. Embody Aspect Speed boost is nice and the immediate power of band can let Ogerpon do more. It's also more defensively viable than Meowscarada since it's not the terrible Grass/Dark type.
I can't believe Jim Carrey is so powerful
How does ogerpon interact with trick/knock off? What if you get your masked swapped/removed before/after tera? Does your ability change? What if you tera fire then get your fire mask knocked off? Or get tricked a water mask?
Probably works similar to Arceus and Mega Evolution mons from earlier gens where Trick just fails.
Probably doesnt work, iirc Zacian/zama didnt lose theyr items when getting it by knock amd couldnt be tricked.
I find it interesting that Ogerpon's different masks and types actually complement each other well in different ways.
The Cornerstone Mask form's Rock/Grass typing is actually a good combination - the two types, normally very poor defensively by themselves, cover each other's weaknesses well. Rock turns Grass' weaknesses to Poison, Flying and Fire to neutral, while Grass turns Rock's weaknesses to Water, Ground and Grass to neutral, leaving it only weak to Steel, Bug, Ice and Fighting. It also doesn't have many longevity issues thanks to its access to Leech Seed, Synthesis, and Horn Leech. Plus, Sturdy lets it live the common Ice and Fighting attacks that would otherwise one-shot it, Swords Dance up, then Tera and go for the sweep with the best direct-damage Rock move in the game - Ivy Cudgel (Rock).
I thought that Water Absorb was kind of useless on a Pokemon that's already 4x resistant to Water, but that Ability would make it a perfect Scald absorber now that the move has returned as a TM. It can switch in on an expected Scald, then either KO or force out the user with another Grass STAB like Wood Hammer (or at least the threat of it). Water and Grass is also a great defensive combo, with Grass turning both of Water's weaknesses to neutral, while Water turns Grass' Fire weakness to neutral, leaving it only with Bug, Rock and Flying as a weakness. And even if something with Mold Breaker attacks Wellspring-Ogerpon with a Water move, she will still quad-resist the attack. She does have to be careful of Pokemon with Freeze Dry pre-Tera, as she'll be quad-weak to it. In VGC, it will be highly vulnerable to the likes of Iron Bundle.
But the Fire one is obviously where it's at, offensively. Grass/Fire has good offensive coverage, with Fire hitting the Steels that would resist its Grass STAB, while Grass hits the Rock, Ground and Water types that would stymie Fire-types. Under the sun facilitated by Torkoal, not much is going to survive its Fire-type Ivy Cudgel, especially after it Teras. Of course, Synthesis helps with its longevity, especially under sun. I suspect once Gen 9's Restricted meta starts in VGC, we're going to see a lot of Koraidons paired with Hearthflame Ogerpons. Oh, and Mold Breaker means she can absolutely demolish Pokemon that depend on the Unaware Ability to tank stuff.
Rock does not resist bug. It resists poison which covers for grass' weakness to it
I like how Ogerpon has to hold the Hearthflame mask. After rocks/spikes its a lot more manageable by some priority moves
I hope they don’t ban it, although it will be high usage rate as it 1v1s both tusk and gambit in fire form at full, and can do both if they give you gambit first for whatever reason.
tera rock ivy cudgel is the most powerful 100 accuracy physical rock move in the game I believe
i quite like the design of these legends and its clear that they put actual thought into them rather than the treasures of ruin just being minmaxed monsters, but the fire one really ruins that. its item gives a 20% multiplicative boost, tera fire enhances stab and gives an attack boost, trailblaze boosts speed, and it has access to swords dance and sun. then give it a 100bp no drawback fire move and it's completely unstoppable
heartflame is strong for the reasons of being complimentary in every way possible that isn't revolving around Bulk. Not only does it got a Great typing in Fire and Grass which smites Waters, Rock and Ground Targets but also got Fire which smites Steel (which would resist grass), other Grass types, and Ice types. On top of the fact you cannot be burned and get hit neutrally by water and ground attacks.
Then gave it a good attack stat 120 with mold breaker while its stab Options are strong hitting with Ivy Cudgel and Wood Hammer (Or Trailblaze). Since it has Mold Breaker, it can ignore the abilities *Flash Fire* (As said in the video) and also *Unaware* meaning its boost can go undeterred.
Heatran is one of the targets that wants no smoke since Heatran runs Tera Grass so regardless of the situation, Heatran don't want to be smited by Ivy Cudgel.
Once those targets are down, tera into fire and you proceed to kill the entire enemy squadron with pure wallbreaking potential.
*Really the only downside to Ogerpon's Heartflame mask is a stealth rock weakness*
*Heartflame can be "Predictable". Really just a question of "How you gonna manage it" because one slip up and this thing ends careers XD*
If given a singular turn, it can wipe out the entire enemy line with nearly no pushback.
Exactly. Sure it can be predictable, but that doesn't mean you can switch into it lol. Feels like lele in a lot of ways.
Really nice that we have a new Rock/Grass type. Always been a type I’ve wanted more of.
Ogerpon wellspring got me to top 130 in ou so easily.. favorite pokemon ever.
I think it can absolutely be handled and is healthy for the meta game. I don't think it should be banned.
After tera, firepon 2hkos every pokemon. You'd expect a maximally physically bulky water type to at least survive a hit or two, but max physical defense pex is nearly 2hkoed by a resisted ivy cudgel, not to mention it dies to a following horn leech and especially a wood hammer.
@A_quip it's speed isn't too overbearing it looses moldbreacker after terra. Plus it forces you to use your terra on ogerpon. Otherwise if you can put your opponent in a position where they terra a different mon it becomes safer. Plus it's week to entry hazards that are particularly common this gen.
Also only does like 30 to skeledirge and that's sp.def, it's earth power fires back for about 50 percent, easy check.
Now that I see this bastard, I get what the point of the Teal Mask is
Ogrepog
Terapagos being super effective against everything and neutral (not resisted) against everything could be decently balanced
Whoah......what happens when pokemon moves on from terastralizing as a game mechanic....is ogerpon the only pokemon that can do it outside of S/V or......?
Id imagine it mught be like battle bond, that being it gets a stat boost after a certain requirement is filled, like koing or the use of a specifc move/item
That Hearthflame form with terra-fire is potentially . . . terrafying.
I love these thumbnails
We love Ogerpon in this house
Ogrepon is thriving because it was designed to thrive. GF has got to chill and just make regular mons. Not everything has to be good
The loyal three exist and dripplin
It's Oger
It's never been more Oger than it is now
love seeing my new favourite pokemon demolish the competitive scene
Brilliant thumbnail
I have to know.. is that maplestory music?
Was sad when the video was Oger.
If you focus energy ivy cudgel is guaranteed crit btw
People like Ogerpon since it's very cute
Also wellspring ogerpon with taunt and sd 6-0s stall.
She's such a gooby goober
With the Tera restrictions, Ogerpom has the ability to be a powerful and versatile yet manageable Pokemon
I've been playing DOU, so here's my take on the 4.
Grass is good but a bit to one dimensional. It's all in on Grass which isn't a great offensive type and other moves lack the power needed. Unless you allow it to set up, you can typically do better.
Stone, I really wish I could slap a Scarf on it. It's good but it's just got to many weaknesses to really be top tier.
Water, this is the one I'm using and honestly, I think it's perfect for doubles. It resists so much, it's Tera ability is great against a lot of mons, and pair it with Rain for extra damage. It just is so strong while also being able to fully take advantage of support.
Fire, strong, but it's defenses aren't good enough to brute force several great mons. You're really relying on killing everything before they kill you, and between speedier mons and priority it can be taken advantage of. Strong but not broken.
Idk if id call munkidori underwhelming. The choice set are diabolical with parting shot in its moveset
Tbh ogrepon isnt banworthy imo. It has an exploitable weakness being the masks kinda telegraph and most movesets are Ivy cudgle, Horn leech, swords dance etc. Its honestly easy to play around if you think for a bit and dont just slam a button... which is how a legendary should be
I love my peanut shaped daughter
Imagine if you had to guess what mask it had lmao, people would run mixed sets for the mind games
Its all ogre now
I just wanna see Ogerpon without the mask again. She has such a cute face. That's my adopted daughter.
Let's be honest, after how she was treated, Ogerpon DESERVES to tear through competitive, as a treat. She DESERVES to be higher tier than the Lousy Three.
It’s so funny to me that they just gave Ogerpon-Hearthflame Gen 8 Intrepid Sword. She deserves it honestly.
People were saying this mon gonna be NU. I thought RU personally but seeing it in action, it might be a viable OU threat
Fire Oger is strong but I'm not feeling it's overwhelming.
I don’t think Operpon-hearthflame should be banned in singles, although it’s string right now I think people will figure out good ways to hard counter it and then we will start seeing more diverse sets on it.
These legendaries are far more balanced and feel so much less power-creepy
how will ogerpon's existence affect the iron mugulis and chugulis' legal battle
Tera Ogerpon feel like a mega evolution
if you say ogrepon in an australian accent, the pon part will sound very weird since it's about something dirty....
Am Australian, cannot confirm
We have layers
Rule 34 artists when Ogerpon’s face was leaked
Rn i lose like 1/3 to 1/2 of my games to this pos it’s so annoying. How do I counter it?
You don't. Put up rocks and pray.
do you think gamefreak has an on and off switch whether they decide to design a genuinely well-balanced, fun, and interesting pokemon or not. i like this one a lot
I'm glad she's doing well. She's strong without being broken
Both Ogrepon and Enamorous are always female, the attract meta is approaching steadily.