Assyrian History Class #14: Understanding Assyrian Christian Divisions and Churches

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @suzansarkis2259
    @suzansarkis2259 10 месяцев назад +12

    God Bless Assyrian. 💯💐✝️

  • @EstherShirzadeh
    @EstherShirzadeh 2 месяца назад +1

    God bless Assyrian I praying all Assyrian Religion come together and help teach Assyrian Languages

  • @craignedoff991
    @craignedoff991 Год назад +11

    God bless you, all my brothers and sisters 🙏

  • @Dr-Alexx
    @Dr-Alexx Год назад +17

    I was waiting for someone to explain this! This was so helpful and easy to follow. Thank you and God bless!

  • @goodmorningdenmark3684
    @goodmorningdenmark3684 Год назад +12

    Great 😊

  • @besartosmani175
    @besartosmani175 7 месяцев назад +6

    Hello, I'm ethnic Albanian and was baptized at the Ancient Church of the East in Australia. These lessons provide invaluable information for someone wanting to learn more about the Assyrian culture and religion. As I'm more familiar with the Eastern Orthodox Churches (mainly Serbian and Greek), how similar are the doctrines, liturgies etc with the Church of the East? I only understand liturgies in Serbian and English but have started learning Aramaic and attending Assyrian Church because I love Assyrian people. God bless ♱

  • @jakejohnson7714
    @jakejohnson7714 Год назад +6

    RD, THANK YOU!

  • @gilbertwalker6769
    @gilbertwalker6769 4 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for a very interesting presentation!
    Please accept a fraternal correction. The Maronite Church is not a Uniate Church. Maronite Catholics historically maintained unbroken communion with the See of Rome. The term "Uniate" is considered offensive by those Christian Churches, or portions thereof, which reestablished communion with Rome. Thanks for your openness!

  • @ShaijuMathewMeppurath
    @ShaijuMathewMeppurath 11 месяцев назад +5

    In Kerala there are two churches basically following the Chaledean liturgy/ tradition. Austrian independent church of the east, who are in communion with Patriarch of Assyrian church of the east, they are also refered as suraya nasrani a combination of malayalam too. The another church is the Syro Malabar Catholic church, who refer their liturgy as chaldean. They are in communion with Rome. tmThey are using east syriac as liturgical language (today they mostly use malayalam) Besides, there are mainly four churches who follow the west Syrian liturgical language and liturgy one being in communion and sucession with Patriarch of Antioch Mar Aprem, Malanmara Syrian Orthodox church, and another autonomous Malankara Orthdox Syrian church, and a Catholic fraction in communion with Rome, Syro Malankara Catholic church and Malankara Marthoma church.

    • @jw-vx8im
      @jw-vx8im 4 месяца назад +1

      It all gets very confusing

  • @ikengaspirit3063
    @ikengaspirit3063 Год назад +9

    How systematic was Timur's destruction of the church of the East. Could we ever a video that touches in detail the decline and the great damage cased by Timur?.

    • @AssyrianCulturalFoundation
      @AssyrianCulturalFoundation  Год назад +3

      Shlama, According to many writers, it was very devastating. Unfortunately, contemporaneous documentation is not as plentiful as we would hope for. According to Reverend Wigram, a British historian, and priest, the existence of the Assyrians of the Hakkari mountains is from the time of the flight from Timur.

    • @jamesr.g.2320
      @jamesr.g.2320 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@AssyrianCulturalFoundationthere are churches, church fathers, and manuscripts all from Hakkari that predate Timur by a thousand years.

  • @abopetrosassyrian6922
    @abopetrosassyrian6922 10 месяцев назад +2

    Please , we would like to see the history of the church of the east , expansion , books , christology and liturgy

  • @milad-ik6sf
    @milad-ik6sf 10 месяцев назад +2

    It’s time to put our differences aside and come together and build something together

  • @davidniedjaco9869
    @davidniedjaco9869 Год назад +3

    I really enjoyed your presentation but a distinction needs to be made that the Church of the East was only larger in terms of area or geography..much larger, spreading all the way into China and even Mongolia..some even think Japan..but it definitely wasn't larger in terms of members..that honor goes to Catholic/Orthodox , Rome/Constantinople Church.

  • @milad-ik6sf
    @milad-ik6sf 10 месяцев назад +1

    1:00:37 like Beth David said we should put 100 most influential assyrians in room and see what the come up with, I think this is a good idea I think his the one should be hosting it but yes, it will be like our first palerment

  • @assyriannahrin
    @assyriannahrin Год назад +12

    So thankful for these courses
    Thank you all 💙🤍❤️

  • @ikengaspirit3063
    @ikengaspirit3063 Год назад +6

    When you're done with focusing on the Assyrian element of the modern Suraye population, I think you should then do a video series on the Aramean element. Cuz as is obvious with the modern Assyrian language, both populations merged in the late Neo-Assyrian period and as such, Aramean history is also Suraye history.

    • @AssyrianCulturalFoundation
      @AssyrianCulturalFoundation  Год назад +14

      Shlama, We view various terms synonymous; Assyrian, Chaldean, Syriac, Suraye, Aramean, etc. These identities as they are used today all refer to one people, whose origins are based on a well-defined Assyrian state and empire.

    • @ikengaspirit3063
      @ikengaspirit3063 Год назад +2

      @@AssyrianCulturalFoundation But some people still identify more with the Arameans because that's where the language originates from. In the spirit of Unity, I think the history of the Arameans before their identity was swallowed up into Assyrian, should also be told here.

    • @ikengaspirit3063
      @ikengaspirit3063 Год назад +2

      @@AssyrianCulturalFoundation Also, to some extent I feel Assyrian history without talking about the Arameans before their adoption of Assyrian identity would be like talking about the history of the English without talking about the Britonic Celts.

    • @AssyrianCulturalFoundation
      @AssyrianCulturalFoundation  Год назад +1

      @@ikengaspirit3063 Shlama, if you have further questions, feel free to refer to our History Instructor, Robert, at: robert.dekelaita@acf-us.org

    • @Александр-84асс
      @Александр-84асс 9 месяцев назад +2

      Этногенез ассирийцев сложный начиная от Шумеро-Аккадского царства далее Ассиро-Вавилонская цивилизация, в совокупности это одна цивилизация, арамейский был родственным древнеассирийскому аккадскому языку и был вторым государственным а позже полностью сменил аккадский из за упрощения письма с 600 символов на 22 символа, ясно вам, никаких арамейцев нету это искуственно умешленно делаются вбросы в общество, чтобы расколоть выживший ассирийский народ на халдеев, арамейцев, ну так давайте еще на амореев, вавилонян, ну это же глупости, все эти племена амореи, арамейцы и халдеи под имперским куполом Ассирии давно стали одним народом ассирийцами.
      Так что извините но не пишите глупости про арамейцев, арамейцы это направление Израиля, а халдеи это направление Византии, эти направления по каким то причинам просто интересны тем кто за этим стоит.

  • @jakejohnson7714
    @jakejohnson7714 Год назад +15

    Assyrian native villages in Iraq need to be protected like the Kurds in Iraq WTH we are the native people of Iraq this is our land also

    • @Александр-84асс
      @Александр-84асс 9 месяцев назад +3

      Курды не коренной народ Ирака что за чуж, а ассирийцы да они исторически коренной народ их необходимо защищать, а курды наоборот хотят на ассирийских землях себе государство создать, так зачем и за что защищать курдов, они между прочим участвовали в резне христиан под командованием турков.

    • @Dilley_G45
      @Dilley_G45 3 месяца назад

      Amen!

  • @soundcheck2k7
    @soundcheck2k7 7 месяцев назад +1

    Interestingly enough, both Church of the East and Syriac Orthodox Churches shaped the ancient St. Thomas Christians in India (Kerala/Malankara).

  • @ezequiasbraga
    @ezequiasbraga Год назад +4

    Hello. Does the Assyrian Church of the East believe in the intercession of the Saints?

    • @AssyrianCulturalFoundation
      @AssyrianCulturalFoundation  Год назад +8

      Shlama, The Church of the East has many saints and Assyrians believe that saints can intercede on their behalf and perform miracles.

  • @decay-154
    @decay-154 8 месяцев назад +1

    was the reason Nestorius and Antioch church were opposed by Alexandrian Patriarch and Church at Ephesus The development of Mary worship ? Did Mary mother of God first appear in gnostic writings in Egypt ? Also Mary ever virgin , queen of heaven did they also originate in Gnostic writings ?

  • @yakovmatityahu
    @yakovmatityahu Год назад +1

    I have seem many videos about Islam and i am closely connected to origins of Islam research, i find this video very useful...i have found in my observation that Islam arose closely connected to East syriac rite, its evidence is found in Quran which reads like a Non Trinitarian Syrian Heretical book.

  • @philipschaffer9414
    @philipschaffer9414 2 месяца назад

    What is the difference between Chaldean Catholic Church and the Church of East.

  • @jakejohnson7714
    @jakejohnson7714 Год назад +4

    Jesus' ancestors Assyrian since he was born in Mesopotamia/Babylon BC/AD changed to Judea/Akkadian mostly sematic race?

  • @jakejohnson7714
    @jakejohnson7714 Год назад +3

    Aramaic-speaking communities were the common language of the Assyrians in AD /BC

  • @a.j.c.908
    @a.j.c.908 8 месяцев назад +1

    That's a lot of infighting for such a small population

  • @archimandritegregory7730
    @archimandritegregory7730 8 месяцев назад +1

    Constantinople was the new kid on the block, not being of apostolic origin but rather by Roman edict.

  • @decay-154
    @decay-154 8 месяцев назад +2

    Did jesus speak Aramaic ? The last 2 villages in Syria that spoke Aramaic were attacked by ISiS . Their language was used by Mel Gibson in "the Passion of Christ" movie .

  • @philipschaffer9414
    @philipschaffer9414 Месяц назад

    It's like there are different Jewish languages like Ladino, Yiddish, Hebrew Arabic Persian Hebrew

  • @philipschaffer9414
    @philipschaffer9414 Месяц назад

    Are not Maronites descended from the Phonesians

  • @jperez7893
    @jperez7893 9 месяцев назад

    a patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic Church offered to resign and nominate the give up the title of patriarch and nominate the patriarch of the the church of the east if the various churches of the assyrians unite with the Church of Rome. that could have reunited the various Assyrian factions albeit under the Catholic Church.

    • @charlesschwarts3152
      @charlesschwarts3152 9 месяцев назад +2

      Praise God that will never happen. The Church of the East was never Catholic and never will be.
      Assyrians became Catholic in 1552 and then identified themselves as Chaldean.
      The Assyrian Church of the East’s beliefs will always remain Orthodox

    • @jperez7893
      @jperez7893 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@charlesschwarts3152 the coe is not even orthodox

    • @charlesschwarts3152
      @charlesschwarts3152 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@jperez7893 It’s calendar may not be, but its teachings have always been Orthodox

    • @jperez7893
      @jperez7893 9 месяцев назад

      @@charlesschwarts3152 acoe was the first to break from the church. It never accepted chalcedon. It’s still denying the Chalcedonian formula

  • @jakejohnson7714
    @jakejohnson7714 Год назад +5

    Iraq is just as holy as Israel; Israel says and announces everything they have is holy to make money from tourist. the whole world is holy, everywhere you walk and see is holy not just Israel.

    • @jw-vx8im
      @jw-vx8im Год назад +1

      Good points. Ethiopia is another country with many holy places

    • @Caution40404
      @Caution40404 Год назад +1

      Shlama. This is partially correct. Ur was a land of paganism and Abraham left his father's house. Nothing was holy in it. We should not forget that God's true and everlasting inheritance is Jerusalem/Israel as He had spoken to the prophets and is the land that He promised to Abraham to be his and his offspring's everlasting inheritance. So not Iraq or any other place. Iraq holds no significance in the Bible in the last days but Assyrians do (Isaiah 19:25). Modern-day Iraq is considered a pagan nation. Even the modern-day Israel is not the true Israel of the book because it's secular.

    • @Tanya-tb8ir
      @Tanya-tb8ir 7 месяцев назад

      Egypt was a refuge to Jesus for 3 years . A refuge to Israel for 400 years and raises Moses too😂

  • @ashur3504
    @ashur3504 Год назад +2

    As far as i know the word armaya means gentile -pagan never used to refer to a nation anyone who did not believe in yahwh or Jewish -christian religion was called armaya its mentioned in peshitta
    Aram/aram naharim so on is all based in jews and their religious texts that do not match with our tablets so i blame the jews for this term
    With all my respect to my christian forefathers but they really messed up by whatever names they called us we just accepted it and here we are now
    3 flags for one nation
    6 names for one nation
    3-4 names for one language
    I doubt that we will ever unite under (one flag one name one language name)

    • @ashur3504
      @ashur3504 Год назад

      @@mehmetdereroberer5553 🤡😂 Kurds don't exist

    • @nikosmith7554
      @nikosmith7554 3 месяца назад

      I love your comment @ashur3504

  • @jakejohnson7714
    @jakejohnson7714 Год назад +3

    Abraham was born in present day Iraq from the land of UR
    Iseral needs to admit and not forget Abrham is the father of all the Jews