Are the miners turning against Labour?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In its 70-year history, the constituency of Bolsover in Derbyshire has always had a Labour MP.
For years the party could rely on the votes of ex-miners and their hatred of Conservatives who closed down the pits. But now there are signs it may no longer be a Labour stronghold. Broadcast on BBC News's Victoria Derbyshire 24.09.2019
Not one of the labour activists spoke with a local working accent thats why labour lost
@Zefram Cochrane the British Labour Party just a middle class lefties hobby
@Zefram Cochrane I’ve never seen anyone starve to death in my lifetime of living in the uk. Obesity is more of a problem I think.
@@ZeldaFitz. Because food banks have grown exponentially in the last 11 years.
@Zefram Cochrane The country has existed on neoliberal globalism since thatcher when she destroyed the northern economy with no replacement. and lowered income taxes on the back of oil wealth, for the richest from 83% to 40%, yet standard rates dropped just 3%. Those taxes have been relatively consistent since through both parties. Now we have pissed the oil away and are left with austerity and vague promises of a science superpower or a northern powerhouse. It’s truly depressing. Without the Northern or Scottish vote that is the future of Britain.
What a pathetic comment !, You prefer the dulcimer tones of Eton and Harrow,do you? Cretin.
The Labour party deserted the miners, working class and everyone else in the UK if favour of Mike Ashley. Notice the Labour party members were all young probably just out of university.
Take a look at the voting demographics, big inner city urban areas have massive labour majorities (inner city Liverpool with the student vote voted over 80% labour) it very much seems labour have an identity crisis and appear to be torn between working class communities and highly progressive student style socialist policies a lot of the red wall in 2019 came to realise just what the party stood for. Corbyn will be the death of the labour party for many years
Kind of a catch 22, the party leadership of that time inherited a diminished party then lost more members while replenishing from people who'd long been out of the Labour Party or from young people who saw something different from the stale rhetoric rehearsed in focus groups. You can't blame young people for seeing something different to the political landscape in 2015, seeing their communities and the country in a bit of a state and getting involved.
But you're right that you have these bad practice business owners that are often working to the bare minimum of what legislation allows or conducting illegal practice to maximise profits. They do what's best for themselves and their bank balance and not for the community or local people.
Migrant workers in many sectors do not bring down wages for British workers (more likely where the middle classes mix with migrants tbf) and in fact create jobs *BUT* in many towns across the UK, particularly these places that rely on one big employer offering low income jobs, those business owners are trying to undercut British workers with wages and conditions only migrant workers could be willing to take. It's horrible for everyone involved except that sod.
Ashley was found to not be paying his staff minimum wage and used these agencies to muddy the waters and not comply with employment law. Our unions are not able to collectively organise workers as in other European countries, which in the past was often the only way to enforce higher pay and working conditions, and the focus on job creation and house building and infrastructure to accommodate that is always with London and the South East - despite a resistance to wanting to build more in London and the South East by the people who live there.
@@aoxVGC Those are the areas which have benefited from Labour. Labour took their vote for granted, with no investment. The Labour party as with the Tories have now moved on from the eighties.
Watch the film "Suffraget" and look how the state deal with organisations that challenge the establishment .
My grandparents are from shirebrook and they believe in hard work and looking after the community. Unfortunately labour believe in open borders and virtue signaling. When Tony Blair signed the Lisbon treaty with out a referendum Labour was doomed. It allowed business leaders to shit on the community again
How did it do that?
@@eoghan5006 did you watch the video? See Sports Direct depot. Blairite Labour created an atmosphere in which the Tories could thrive.
I think Blair has as much to answer for as Hitler did.
Hard work and community over no work and big government? Sounds like something they have in common with Tories voters.
If you asked the Labour party about the miners they would probably say "who"
The Labour Party is not for the working classes anymore, they are anti white British, only interested in the minorities. They will never get my vote again.
If you asked the tories about the miners they would spit
Same in Grimsby with the fishing. Labour now only supports the sneering, arrogant Islington Elite. Totally London-Centric.
Mysterious Stranger luvvies like Bob Geldoff literally sticking two fingers up at hard working fisherman does not help either.
this aged well
@@sidevans1 The Tories just have to be less arrogant and condescending than Lab to keep winning most of the working class.
@@maxpowerii7368 Geldof don’t pay his taxes either.
Yep this thread hasn't aged well. Tories sold the fishermen down the river if you'll pardon the pun
Labour activist was so out of touch (and clearly not from Bolsover) and thinking there was no danger of them losing...🤦♂️
The EU destroyed the coal industry. The UK was flooded with cheap coal which was the final nail in the coffin for the miners. Thatcher may have closed down the pits but only because they were already bankrupt. The EU and their free trade laws tied our hands, a simple tariff on foreign coal would have at least postponed the closure of the mines for 20 years but as a member of the EU we can't apply tariffs without their permission
And yet labour closed more. I don't understand how they always blame Thatcher.
I am an octogenarian and seen first hand the history of the last half century and what has been said on here is way off the mark of reality. The Labour Party stemmed from the unions
My bad use of technology. but to continue: those unions were formed to fight bad working conditions and almost one hundred years on we have returned to those times and those at the top have just given us at the bottom more crumbs whilst systematically dismantling the working man's entitlements and safety nets.
Labour Party will be consigned to the history books as an organisation that lasted as long as it took for the establishment to dismantle it through better living conditions and welfare benefits.
J Williams true Labour closed down more than Thatcher but that just understates the fact that the coal industry as a major industry is done and over. It is expensive, dirty and dangerous industry.
Thatchers plan was always to convert the coal workforce into workers for the clean, highly productive nuclear industry (which is quite easily done, the skill sets are largely the same such as mechanical/electrical technicians, welders, pipe fitters etc).
Unfortunately building of nuclear plants in the UK has been delayed multiple times over the past decades due to opposition from Labour affiliated anti nuclear ‘environmentalist’ groups.
It is Labour who have put these workers out of work, not Tories. Mass migration has not helped the situation either.
No it didn't. Thatcher did.
Labour no longer represent the working class.
So which party are best for the working class?
@@kichi7545 At the moment THE TORIES. If the remain wankers would of sat down and shut the fuck up after the referendum we would be at least 4 years further into Brexit than we are. We would of been in a far better position to deal wth kung flu. FUCK LEBORE,,FUCK SOCIALISM,,FUCK IDENTITY POLITICS
What we have to realise is that true socialism would oppose the EU, in fact both Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell supported leaving for a long time before becoming leader and shadow chancellor respectively.
They haven’t represented the working class for over 50 years.
So according to you the Tories will improve my terms & conditions of employment by stronger employment protection legislation?
Neither of the two parties represent the working class truly these days
@T M Labour did before the Blair years
I always thought Labour went from the pub to the dinner party. Privileged metropolitan elites snidely deciding they’re vanguards of the working class whilst simultaneously disregarding any of their concerns as beneath contempt. At least with the Tories you know what they’re like. Better to have wolf than a wolf pretending to be a sheep.
this comment describes how i feel:)
Absolute bollox .
working class are seeing straight through labour
These people are the 'working class'? Give me a break. These people are pensioner's who bought their council houses in the 80's. Why are they all white? The problem here is that they haven't adapted to a changing world, and ultimately have been left behind. Wait until Brexit really takes hold. It's going to hit these areas like a ton of bricks, and they'll only have themselves to blame.
@@lindylou538 What a load of rhetorical BS.
Same old remain lies, same old remain excuses, same old remain 'you're too thick to form an opinion'.
FO!
@@lindylou538 Oh and racist to boot!
@@lindylou538 "Why are they all white?" That would be because the population of Bolsover is 96.3% white British.
Why are you such a racist?
@@lindylou538 the reality is the change is forced we didn't asked to be changed we didn't ask for our homeland to be given away multiculturalism is a failure you only have to look at London to see that a multicultural future is not one we should be striving towards
Labour have not truly represented the working class for decades. Like it or not the Tories represent working class values: on immigration, law and order, capital punishment, welfare spongers, pc culture, identity politics, patriotism, and British values.
So will the Tories employment legislation “review” be a good thing for the average worker?
@@johnmoore9862 It will most probably be prudent and in the best interests of the economy. So yes. Responsible governance is not about being Santa Claus.
You have not listed the issues the working class care about, those are the issues OAPs care about
Try Googling ...farm subsidies....I stopped at 69,when I found the list of the landed gentry in my area who,every year,are handed over £500,000 just because they own lots and lots of land.In total £3.4bn.....of your taxes are given to the rich ! It’s ignorant people like you who permit this.
@@Jay_Johnson Then you are either not working class nor know any working class people. Probably a Corbynite who would not recognise a working man if they bit you on the leg.
It’s Not about “they took our jobs” it’s about they want to change our society/country into the country they left to live here.
And labour will let em
Kinda disagree on that one Dave though I get what you're saying. But don't you think it's not the Immigrants from the EU who want to change the place but actually labour themselves...For eg.. Labour councils would gladly pull down a local social club to make way for a mosque....we've just not exactly noticed what's going on..every protest that they have takes place in london, even supposing if it were about the new modern slavery that's happening in Leicester..come to think of it we've not heard much about that from BLM or the left..
"They believe this myth that they took all our jobs."
Followed by: "He brought people in from abroad!" [shocked pikachu face]
So they did, in fact, take the jobs.
Very true 👍
It is not that simple, immigrants increase aggregate demand hence creating more jobs
You're not entitled to them jobs. Also the idea that there is a finite number of jobs is ridiculous. The amount of jobs available increases and decreases depending on economic factors.
Doing things like leaving the EU decreases that number.
@@eoghan5006 spot on
But surely that's the fault of Mike Ashley and Sports Direct, and not the fault of the immigrants or even the EU? I don't know, I just feel like evil business owners like Mike Ashley are the problem, not the EU or immigrants (and I don't like the EU).
Labour no longer represents the average worker it has more interest in cultivating its university members these days.
@paul----And importing its new voters, you are being replaced. These old ,faithful miners are being shafted but are too dumb to see it.
Paul, always remember education is the enemy of the Tories.
The average worker is no longer the northern pensioner,
Best thing ever to happen to Bolsover to go Conservative.
Bolsover was represented by a Labour MP (Harold Neal and then Dennis Skinner) from 1950 until the seat was taken by the Conservative Mark Fletcher in December of 2019.
They do say that doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome is a sign of stupidity.
The good people of Bolsover have woken up, done something different and demanded change. It's just a damned shame that the current pandemic is going to make it difficult to effect that change in the short term.
Change happens, regardless of the government. UK coal was dying then and is dead now. The economic grievances they have are valid against the EU and globalism. The working class have been consistently sold out since thatcher with austerity re-electing austerity is not going to cause change. They are called the conservatives for a reason.
@@Jay_Johnson I'm sure your silly Socialist talking points went down a storm in the students union bar in the 1990s, but the spell is broken, the actual working people of this country no longer believe your BS, and while the Tories are far from perfect, they represent the British people far better than the pathetic Labour Party that now only panders to the metropolitan middle classes and the big corporations that want an endless supply of cheap immigrant labour.
Let's hope you get another bloody nose in Hartlepool in a few weeks time.
@@baldieman64 Let's hope NIP win it and both colours of Tory get what they deserve.
@@davidburgess3579 NIP?
So firstly, how have you so few subscribers? I've just subbed.
Secondly, this was brilliant journalism. I come from a small pit village next to Shirebrook. My sister has even worked at the SD centre and this video accurately portrays what happened. She left after a short time because of unfair working conditions that were eventually the subject of a separate documentary. If you can find it it's a good watch.
I moved away for work 12 years ago but I still go home regularly to see family and freinds and I occasionally go to my local miners welfare. It's been very interesting to watch the demise of Labour in my home town. This has been on the cards for a long time. Ex miners are acutely aware that Labour have become a borgoiuse fetish and no longer represent the working class. This has become even more evident since the result of the election and some of the interviews I've seen with the poor oppressed urban white middle class openly showing their class hatred towards the traditional Labour voters. It smacks of Orwells Road to Wigan Pier where he talks about the middle class socialists contempt and fear of the working class.
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I don't 4 1 minute agree with you! 4 sure you've not mentioned any of the specialised but wrong deformations of character ? You can't know corbyn was payed out by out of court settlements so did the milibands ! It wasn't Labour lying through their teeth and even know you pander 2 the worst and most damaging right wing mob that's not in the least democratic ? They've made that absolutely clear ? You're an example of what my grand fatha told me ! He was born in 1898 ! He lived and worked through the hardest years ever when labour finally gave him and the family a life ! 1st paid holiday he got was when he was 50 ! Nationalism gave those with eff all something they'd never had ! The list goes on ! As I said my granda offered very sound advice but he also warned about taking things 4 granted ? The working class was the danger 4 labour ? How effen reet he was and don't blame Tony Blair b'cos whatever you say he gave me and mine the best standard of living in my life ? You haven't noticed what the currant and deeply dividing bunch of shitheed s are giving ,like it or not ,the "ordinary" just now ? Every good thing set up by Blair but brown as well has been skipped ? If you can't mention them you can't possibly know ! Every effen thing the Torys said about corbyn and what he'd do the Torys have done make no effen mistake the oligarchy is playing a huge part in the dismantling of democracy! The Torys have never in history supported the working class or its fundamental rights ! They brag about not believing in them! Human workers or constitutional! None of them ! Labour has the biggest membership in Europe or further ? You're not in the least a believer in the working class when you do the Torys dirty work ? I hope your work makes you profit but I also would laugh if your holiday pay your hours your bereavent days and your pay rise's are binned b'cos that's the Torys manifesto that they'll do unlike the pledges they've put out are being ignored know !!!! Why do turkeys vote 4 xmas ???? They've also wiped out Boxing Day as a national bank holiday ? There's men & women working on a council tip run by private concerns that's forced them 2 turn in 4 work ?!?! Oh yes in reality if you want no Labour Party you'll get a xmas card from the Torys telling you you're working bank holidays from now on ?!
I agreed with you
I have to say you are completely correct, I believe in good education and hard work to get to the place you want to be, and there’s nothing wrong in wanting that.
Labour to me are completely irrelevant and I can’t vote for there agenda any longer.
I’m proud of being working class , and as far as I’m concerned we are the salt of the earth.
I’m not a champagne socialists and never will be
Calling people racist gammon on Twitter and then asking them to vote for you on the doorstep, doesn’t work. Who knew?!
The Labour party has taken it's base for granted and THAT is why they've failed
Although I have never been a socialist and am, in fact, hostile towards socialism, I have to say that Dennis Skinner was a fine constituency MP and an important voice in the Commons. It was a shame that he lost his seat because of the far left's woke take over of the Labour Party.
Absolutely right. Bolsover represented the best of labor. I'll miss him heckling blackrod.
One of the few MPs that had respect on all areas of the House. Even the new MP paid tribute to Skinner..
My former party is thoroughly undeserving of these people’s votes. There’s no hiding the contempt the middle class rank and file have for the working class in all its diversity any longer.
Labour pretend not to know what men and women are, I doubt they know the definition of working class either.
@@apebass2215 that’s an interesting theory and there might be some truth to it. It hits on the head the contradiction at the heart of the LP as a bourgeois workers’ party.
Amazing how long the working class were conned by labour
The Labour Party has done nothing for the working class
That ex-miner asked what have the Tories done in ten years. Fair question, but he didn't ask what did Labour do in the ten years before that? What did the Labour local authority do before it was booted out of office? Labour stopped listening to people like him years ago yet unlike the Tories, Labour claim they serve these people. Better an honest bastard than a bunch of hypocrites.
sure start, huge investment in nhs and record low waiting lists for major ops, tax credits for working poor, paternity leave, the minimum wage, right to 24 days paid leave, banned fox hunting, free eye tests for over 60s, free bus passes for over 60s, millions of council houses refurbished, massive investment in schools. i mean, i could go on. it's just rubbish to say they didn't do anything. people forget how much the country needed doing up in 97. my local hospital had buckets everywhere on the floor catching the drips coming through. short memories.
@@sidevans1 Spot on and well said. Too many working class believe their Tory press and vote against their best interests - hence, the chicken's voting for foxes to look after them. It won't end well for them!
@@kichi7545 i don't really resent these people for switching and voting tory. they're on decent pensions and have paid off their mortgages. it's natural they'll switch. they can justify it however they want by boring on about how the labour party has left them or whatever, but the fact is that they're secure, have no skin in the game in terms of the economy any more and have disposable income. ie likely tory voters. it's unfortunate that they feel that the labour party is too urban or young - well, shock horror, that's who the new working class are - people working, by hand or by brain, often paying half or more than half their wage every month to rentiers and landowners in the cities, because that's where the work is now. the fact that they might be a bit trendy, annoying, a bit liberal and right-on or have a southern accent doesn't change this. although i wasn't a fan of corbyn there was a reason, and still is a reason why people under 45 without rich parents are voting labour and lean very left on the economy - they're not being given the opportunity to gain capital and become part of the capitalist model - unless something is done about this, it won't just be a youthful fad. "it's still the economy, stupid", to paraphrase bill clinton's famous advisor james carville.
@@sidevans1 Corbyn would have saved the NHS. Boris will soon be arranging the final stages of ending the NHS and the UK will have Private Health Care just like the USA. Did you watch the John Pilger "The Dirty War on the NHS". Although it was made before the Dec 2019 GE - it wasn't allowed to be shown until about 5 days after the GE and on ITV 10.40pm on Tue (perhaps to make sure most people missed it!!). It painted a very bad picture of the USA private health care and because of the expense - lots of the working class cannot afford it so they have no health care. Lots will die. Labour gave the NHS to the UK in 1948. The Tories end it very soon. In 2008 the UK had 3 of the poorest regions in the EU. By 2019 the UK had 9 of the 10 poorest regions in the EU. I'm sure the UK will soon have 20 out of 20 of the poorest regions in the EU - especially now that we have left. The UK first applied to join the EU/Common Market in 1961 - but had to wait until 1 Jan 1973. Before 1973 the UK was known as the poor/sick man of Europe - during the 46 year EU membership the UK did very well. But in 2016 the UK voted to leave the world's biggest trading block and go it alone. I have recently read that the money spent on arranging Brexit (over 4 years) cost £200bn. So nearly as much as the UK total contributions of £215bn (over 46 years). Total madness and all to make the UK fall to bits - but the main reason for Brexit was required by the Elites (to take back control) and continue with their offshore tax evasion. So when lots of the working class voted to "Get Brexit Done" - they voted to trash the UK but allow the Elites to avoid paying tax. Plus also end the NHS. I'm certain most working class Tory voters are unaware of the Tsunami wave that will soon it the UK. The first waves landed on 1 Jan 2021. The next biggest hit 1 Apr 2021, then the shit really hits the fan on 1Jul 2021. That's when the EU grace periods end and full EU customs check, more red tape & delays etc etc. So we will soon see how the red wall Tory voters like their new buddies that will "Level up" the north & south. Or they will learn a very hard lesson in voting for charlatans. The UK fishermen are already realising that leaving the EU and also leaving both the Customs Union & Single Market means that the UK is classed as a Third country (but not to be mixed up as Third World - but some parts of the UK will eventually be that way). To the EU - the UK is now classed as a Third country with class B waters (not pour). So it can't export live shellfish to the EU. Also there are long delays exporting fresh fish to the EU - so some of the fish is no longer fresh and can't be sold. I think the recent reports also show that UK exports to the EU (since Brexit) are down 40% but I have also read another report saying they were down 68%. I have no idea why pensioners & the working class voted for Brexit & Tory - I have asked many - but most just say to stop the immigrants. As for state pensions - the UK not only has the worst in the EU but also in the developed world. But lots of the working class (including the pensioners) will keep voting Tory as their Tory morning papers tell them to and in so doing vote for more austerity hardship!
@@sidevans1 Just a couple of things that you missed if I may point out;
Open doors immigration that flooded the country with unskilled cheap labour .
No referendum (as was promised) on the Lisburn treaty.
Taking us in to aggressive foreign wars and being complicit in the deaths of 250,000- 1.5m people.
Crippled the country with massive debt for programs that only benefitted the rich such as PFI.
Etc etc etc. I mean I could go on.
No you are wrong, we remember it all.
That's the problem, me dad was a miner, his dad was a miner, and they can't see further than that.
yea they should become brain surgeons... yea... what you need to understand is coal is actually very green, the filters used in power plants are insanely good, all the waste product is collected, nearly no pollution, coal could employ tons of people but the left just wont let it
@@Cottam89 It's economics, coal is crazy expensive whatever you do.
@@Cottam89 Also I don't know where you've seen that coal is green. The type of coal that is used is so impure that no level of filters help. An insane fact I learnt was that coal power plants leak more radioactive material into the atmosphere then a nuclear power plant
@@aaronmcquade4609 try sourcing your statements next time.
@@alcostello6114 yeah sorry probably should of done that initially. It cos coal contains a lot of radioactive particles that don't need to be filtered due to non-strict laws. www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/, www.iaea.org › _PublicPDF
What is more dangerous: Nuclear power plants or carbon fired power ..., sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/reconsidering-risks-nuclear-power/
Problem is socialism.
The workers here want high wages and low prices. That's not possible. You get low wages and low prices or high wages and high prices. The problem is the British worker out priced themselves against eastern Europeans who were happy to work longer hours and less hourly rate.
So companies got eastern Europeans in and now the British complain they can't get a job. Lower your standards, then your get a job.
Labour has sold out for the student intelligentsia. They literally detest the working class and everything they stand for.
my grand father died of silicosis coal dust on his lungs died aged 54 his son arthur had his head crushed by a pit roof collapsed both were welsh miners :
As an Australian, I’ve never felt Labour has any connection with the working class after watching all of Corbyn on RUclips.
Probably because Labour at this time is in complete disarray, has lost the plot, and no longer represents the working class. Add to that, the brilliant hatchet job by the TORY press, and there is your answer !
Of course they are, Labour doesn't represent people of the working class,
Mining ended in the mid 90s. Now ex miners have moved on or died. The current tory government has pledged to restrict immigration and help home grown labour. The Labour goverments of the past (especially Gordon Brown's) had an open door policy to immigrant workers. Who then represents the best interests of true British.
The miners were used by Labour, they never represented them. Just look at the Kinnocks who on the backs of miners went on to untold riches and places in the HoL.
I live in Sedgefield area .I would of love to seen TB face when the Cons won Sedgefield :)
I am from there originally but my family moved for work many years ago. On the occasions I have been back very little has changed, especially when you see how things have changed in most of the country. Labour always blamed the Tories but since I left Labour has been in power at least as often as the Tories. They made promise after promise but did nothing when they had the chance so they got nothing more than they deserved. It should have happened years ago.
Raymond Morgan agree completely. From Yorkshire myself but much the same issues and prospectives.
He probably thinks if he stood he would have won Sedgefield and a Labour victory. It just took time to realise Labour were turncoates
Labour, under Blair, closed most of the last surviving pits!
Just listening to the labour activists shows how disconnected the party is. Gave up my membership years ago
4:32 - Moans about the state of his town and then says he's voting Labour. This is the indoctrinated selfishness that is ruining a future for your youngsters. The man should be ashamed of himself.
Couldn't agree more. Freely admits that Labour have abandoned them , but he's voting for them because he always has. What's that definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome
@@johncoyle8191 The labour MP doesn’t decide anything, conservatives have been in power for 11 years and they make the decisions as a result. things will only change when labour win a general election
@@legionofbricksfan8106 And if they keep up with all the identity politics they never will. And as for not being in power for 11years , well I suppose everything in the garden was rosy under Blair decades before
At this stage it's impossible to see why or how working class people could vote Labour.
Stark divide.
True fact.....Labour shut 2/3 of our pits in the 70s without a whimper from the union's.
Thatcher shut the last 1/3 and got blamed for ruining the country's coal industry and yet today, we can now see that the coal industry had to go.
Not to forget we have been invaded.
It wasn't the closure of the mines which brought about the problems we have encountered We all know now that the pit's had to go anyway The big hard kick in the guts was the dissolution by immigration of the societies we lived within and the rapacious qualities of the dictatorial industries which replaced the mining industry. Then we finally realised that the real political battle we had been fighting was not between left and right it was between us and a selfish Capital City which had deliberately deceived us.
Our Leaders of all persuasions had deliberately led us astray with what was a virtual spitting image puppet show for generations, our callously misled working folk were setup and let down by a corrupt Westminster run political system bent on keeping the best of everything for it's own and itself... Your MP's do not call themselves Constituency Representatives they choose to identify themselves as MPs they only identify with Westminster and it's power brokers they do not recognise you. In my opinion this outcome is a turncoated topsy turvey system is a criminally motivated procedure which is the very opposite of democracy.....!
Same thing happened In West Virginia.
There hasn't been a left wing party in the USA since the 1970s
There is a choice between a far right party flirting with Fascism and a centre right party who plays Identity politics.
@@eoghan5006 The dem party in the us is trying to go full libtard.
@@bbodinefan11 oohhh no.
OAP here, worked down 3 coal mines one twice in Lancashire not voted labour since Brown.
About time they did, Labour closed over 100 more pits than the Tories
Or is it Labour once more looking like the Tories now they have Smarmer at the helm?
Whose not turning against anti British Labour
These people think labour are like labour were in the 60s 70s.. Labour are more like.. The 70s tories now... Farage would get my vote if he was running for PM..
Isn’t it obvious still?! Mr. Big money businessman employs those Eastern Europe immigrants so he can pay them £7.50 an hour and not have to pay the person who has a mortgage to pay in England £10-12 an hour. It’s easier to blame the immigrants and boss man is loving it! They don’t want to pay the real cost of a wage, equality.
What miners? Coal is no longer mined in Britain. They aren't miners anymore.
If you can't vote Labour, fair enough, but to turn around and vote Tory, I'll never understand that.
It's not hard to understand. The government is either Labour or Conservative, and has been since before the war.
Too many working class allow the Tory press to poison their minds and hate Corbyn. So they voted Tory. Its as mad as chicken's voting for the foxes to look after them - it won't end well.
@@kichi7545 oh they’re too thick to make up their own mind, got it.
This is why labour lost.
When a party has a manifesto and the opposition party's manifesto is to just be disruptive surely it makes sense to give your vote to the manifesto at least you can see what way they intend to go, labour have got no ideas they are just anti Tory and that's not good enough to be voted in to run the country
@@stecomer4303 Labour’s manifesto is massive. They love ideas and they never have to face the reality of ever having to try to put them into practice. The Tories will prioritise a few things and have one main theme. But they will also use focus groups to test which of Labour’s ideas are popular. Any good ideas, they will take, maybe change a bit, and put into practice.
Coming from the North East I used to hear how the Thatcher shut the pits. Now a question I keep hearing is how many pits did Blair open when Labour was in charge?
fun fact: both parties have failed us we need ranked choice voting to allow third parties to have more of a say :)
Those statements didn't age well.
When many Labour MPs openly not only vote against their constituents choices but openly insult their intelligence is it any wonder they lose seats? I am very much a floating voter who votes either on how good the current government are or how bad they are. I think many diehard Labour voter are now voting in the same way when they look at how their current local MP perform and act and I think it might well get far worse for Labour before it gets any better. Some of course will continue to support Labour as they support their local football team no matter how badly they perform.
My Uncle was a ten pound pom and left the yorkshire mines to go to Australia. My mother and father were from rotheram but left yorkshire because they wanted a better life. I went down the pit once and felt the community cohesion but realised it was not for me! If people think they can put their belief in politicians then they need to think again! I am aware that fighting for what you want is very noble, but do you really want your children down the pit!
I’ve never understood why northerners vote for who their grandfathers voted for. I dont give a toss who my grandfather voted for, I’ll vote for who I think will do a good job in 2021 not 1916. A lot of these people will say they would never vote Tory to their mates but do the complete opposite in the privacy of the voting booth. As for them two young labour activists, they are the archetypal middle class, self loathing,white liberals that hate the white working class. However these old blokes really do need to move on from the mid 1980s, the world has moved on and they need to move with it.
coal is actually very green, the filters used in power plants are insanely good, all the waste product is collected, nearly no pollution, coal could employ tons of people but the left just wont let it, look what happened with wind and solar when texas had bad snow a few months ago, the state had a huge blackout, you cant physically store enough energy to make up for the demand when needed and there can be very low periods, its impossible, the miners where i live in the midlands told me they were close to tapping into coal that could last at the time an estimated 100 years, that was decades ago though but it gives you an idea of how much untapped coal is out there.
got a source for the filters used in power plants? Interesting...
Texas's energy output is completely fossil fuel-based by 80%. The reason they failed had nothing to do with green energy but because they had put their industries in the hands of private players like ERCOT and because of being isolated from other grids and not winterizing their equipment as far back as 2011, that's what happened. Immense deregulation and privatization caused the outtages.
@@rickardkaufman3988 you cant physically store enough green energy as a stable replacement or for it to become the majority as its dependent on constant winds or the sun, imagine the storage needs in terms of needing an extremely large battery that people can tap into regularly, we are struggling for batteries globally as it is and the technology needs to vastly improve massively, thats if it can, everything has physical limits, fossil fuels you can use 24/7 to generate energy, then you would need an insane nearly unrealistic amount of wind farms and solar panels to generate that energy to the point where we over generate our need so we have enough supply, that would require perfect and stable conditions constantly which would never, never happen as the weather is not stable, never has been or never should be, the fact your on about regulation and privatization against basic hard fact shows your probably a far left socialist, so i doubt you will ever look at this from a logical factual common sense stand point.
@@clarkchavez7053 theres alot of material out there, coal is very demonized, same with nuclear power.
@@Cottam89 Windmills work in Antarctica and Sweden. All of them have frigid temperatures. What happened in Texas was not a green energy issue but a corporate issue.
"Labour activists" = stoodents
My FIL was a miner in Wales - he was Polish...
Not saying they will go back to labour, but they wont vote tory again.
6:58
The changing demographics are a chance for Labour, that is why they want racial replacement due to mass-immigration.
Ironically had the monors of carried on, half those people would of probably died or been chronically ill from the effects by now.
All the Labour party has ever been about is giving the duffers a fiver each to vote for them and then take a tenner back for themselves in subsequent Taxes.
They actually despise the working class.
The EU bought up or got rid of most of our industry.
I thought Derbyshire was Midlands?
What a funny video - don’t these losers realise that businesses have a choice who they employ? If you’re a problem/an attitude/someone who’s against a business doing well, you’ll get replaced by someone else who wants to do well for themselves (which makes the business better; the person more valuable and get paid better). That’s capitalism at its best - and the beauty is, EVERYONE has a CHOICE to be better than the next guy and add more value, but these lot seem to CHOOSE to opt out and blame others for their personal failure. You can’t make life better by blaming other people and lowering the bar. Showing up to work with a good attitude to do better than yesterday and add more value will actually make you happier and wealthier, and if you think “you’re making the rich richer”, then set your own company up as everyone is perfectly entitled to do for less than £50, and see how hard it is without the headache of this kind of useless bollocks holding you back
If sports direct are allowed to get away with this kind of workers rights and agency workers,the government should Change the law and the rights of employees get rid of agencies and zero HR contracts there a disgrace,but they won't because there corrupt and all pissing in the same pot
7:08 some last words they were
scargill closed the pits anyway
Politicians know nout about community 🤦
Worth looking who closed more pits ? labour, pit where I live was closed and card carrying labour pitmen admit labour started the closures, pit lads I salute you.
Historical data shows while 212,000 coal mining jobs were lost under the 1964-1970 labour government, under Thatcher 1979_1990 government the percentage of coal mining job losses was more than double thn losses under labour. And don't forget labour didn't send the police on horseback with batons to smash the minors skulls. Learn your history..
Wilson and liebore closed more pits than thatcher fact , look it up . Dennis skinner real labour and brexit man , true democrat ,
Mike Ashley imported in workers because the locals wouldn’t work in these jobs
They already have
Which miners are these!? They all shut in the 70s that was 50 years ago
They were still on the go in the 80s.
Australian Labor Party is the same
"there's no togetherness, and the pit forged that togetherness"
So voting tory is the solution!?
They allowed the Tory press & MSM to brainwash & poison their minds and hate Corbyn and vote Tory. But its far easier to fool people, than convince them they have been fooled!
@El Nino Until starmer became leader it had potential, let's just say that.
But again, you hear folk in these parts (and much of south yorkshire where i'm from) praising Skinner to the hills and back but claim to despise Corbyn. And I always feel compelled to point out that both men are ideologically linked? But of course, this falls on mostly deaf ears. Just a response of 'get brexit done' etc.
@@kichi7545 That's it, lol, you get it.
what Miners?
YES
Finally working class are seeing straight through labour, but Mr Thicko still voting Labour 😂
Labour Party? I thought they were made extinct with the dinosaurs.
Have the tories sorted your issues out
Traitors
BBC, north London middle class lovelies......totally out of touch, just lookout how the BBC has gone down the pan........bet they never even watched this...
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I remember years ago laughing at a sketch about some toff tory boy , think it was by Harry Enfield . Fast forward to present and we have this clown at the end of the video. And you wonder why Labour are a lame duck party
Tim, nice but dim, is now the Labour party MP for Islington (probably!).
Aren't miners potentially transphobic though?
Reality is transphobic.
thank you liam the 3rd for addressing the biggest concern on everyone's mind
Thanks buddy, I remember chatting to a miner once and I asked him to name all 46 genders and he couldn’t even do it
This video is not a surprise and neither was the result.
It is very similar to the constituency I live in. Former mining area now with a Tory majority of 20,000.
The knee jerk 'never Tory' reaction is something I have seen locally and possibly for the same reason. But life, employment and attitudes change and the old Labour of heavy industry and coalminers has gone and isn't coming back.
We should also recognise that pit closures were not a solely Tory thing. Harold Wilson shut more pits than Margaret Thatcher and in less time too.
"Decent jobs with decent money" The idea that migrants are keeping wages low is bollocks. The days of a man going out to work and providing for his family are long gone. It was adapt or die for these Brexit voting areas long before Brexit, and unfortunately these people have chosen to die. Who can they blame when nothing changes and the area doesn't improve? Certainly not the EU. These people are an embarrassment to my country
What you have to understand is labour is the same as any other commodity when it is in demand. Short supply/high demand means prices move up, over supply/short demand means prices drop.
People had an economic base which they were compelled to defend against over supply, IE unskilled labour. The Labour party ensured that there was over supply. This did not favour the working class but it did benefit the rich who had no need to raise wage levels due to over supply. Mark Carney's (you remember him the arch remainer) report of 2001 showed very clearly that over supply of labour in the economy by immigration from the EU was the chief reason why wages were stagnant.
It embarrasses me that there are people in my country that don't understand the fundamentals of economics, or the legitimate reasons that other people may have had to take a political stance that they themselves disagree with.
They really are embarrassing, finger wagging, name calling bigots
@@justwhenyouthought6119 You've written a long winded reply basically saying migrants are keeping wages down. No. They are not. I've done plenty of minimum wage jobs. The problem is that you, and many in this video think they are worth more than they are being paid. Suck it up Buttercup! Covid19 on top on Brexit? You haven't seen anything yet 😂
Unfortunately much of what you say is correct. There is a malaise is the British working class that dates back to the post war rise of militant unionism where businesses were held to ransom to pay way over the odds for unskilled labour. People in ex mining communities have a distorted view on what their labour is worth dating back to when miners were paid ridiculous amounts to dig coal. Mike Ashley was never going to be able to staff his new warehouse with locals because locals with zero education and zero skill sets don't want to get out of bed in the morning thinking they are worth £20 an hour.
@@lindylou538 Dev 1977....my go to source for economic information and policy.......loooooooooooooool !!
I think I'll stick with what the experts at the Bank of England study and report rather than some butthurt remainer in a youtube comment section.
Ha! Truly an embarassment !
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