As always, thanks for the review! I just took delivery of my 2024 M2 a few days ago. I saw 2024 6-speed DarkHorse a few months back at my local dealership, but they wanted 7-10K over MSRP. I’m glad I waited and got a better car slightly under MSRP.
@@G82Wattsagreed! I have a 2022 m240i xdrive and upgrading to a 20225 M2. Really exited except for the change in the screens… going to miss the M240i interior screens 😢
Nice review. I have one in white with cognac interior, bi colored wheels, and manual transmission. Can you clarify what size spacers your running front and rear? You initially mentioned 15/20 then 15/12. Is it 15mm in the rear and 12mm in the front with stock ride height? I like the way it looks and may do the same with my car.
Hi the spacers are 15mm front and 12mm rears FYI the front plastic wheel arches will need to be cut and modified near the oil coolers as the tires do rub at full lock in reverse. I just modified the wheel arches yesterday and corrected this. I will post a short REEL on my IG today showing it. its a bit of a PITA to do but if your a creative fabricator with the proper materials you can do it yourself IND does sell modified arches for $900 plus shipping
Phil with the spot on reviews. Let’s do a photo shoot with both my G80 and the G87. I can imagine it feeling better due to its size and smaller wheel base
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How’s the performance compared to the QV? I’m debating both of these as my next car. No manual option in the QV is the only negative to me. The dash in the M2 really bugs me too…..like all new BMWs, doesn’t look right.
QV is much faster and is lighter and built with more aluminum and carbon it is a tough car to beat, like i said you have to like the BMW aesthetics inside and out to go for these cars otherwise choose another brand or go older
@@autofanaticcars Actually both are very similar when it comes to speed . G87 with zf8 is 8.4-8.8s 100-200kmh just like QV . Similar with weight if you put both these cars on a scale with full tank they are both slightly above 1700kg.
Considering options now but in NYC its risky to do loud exhaust they give $1500 tickets and can impound car it’s ridiculous we are looking into midpipe options mostly
Great review! I just got my 24 M2 about a week ago and loving it so far. Love the carbon side skirts and front lip on the car. How was it to install them? Do they existing hardware on the car? Can you send a link to what you got?
Great review as always-just got an alpine white M2 and love it. I do disagree with you as an alternative to a Mustang. They're totally different cars even though they're both RWD. The Mustang GT is also 20k less money so it's really in a completely different segment. Ford is already discounting them left and right.
New fully loaded Mustangs top out at the same price now not comparable to a base no option GT and Fords target for years was to attract the M4 M2 buyers with equal levels of performance
We had the '22 230i xDrive and loved it as well...the lighter B48 4 cylinder (vs the B58 six) felt more nimble/less heavy (because it was !) and provided plenty of power for us; saved us purchase price and insurance costs too. That said, BMW makes excellent straight six engines...they are powerful and buttery smooth...as in our '23 x3 M40i. Test drive both 4 and 6 cylinder versions of the 2 series.
If you want to quickly turn off the right-hand screen, just push and hold the radio volume switch for 3 seconds and it turns off the screen. A simple push of the rotary wheel on the center console will bring back the screen. Nice video…great constructive criticism. Thanks.
…it’s unfortunate that this beautiful (semi-customized) ride will be subject to harsh conditions in Tri-State area, NYC in particular . Curious to see the condition of this car a year from now.
Actually an easier way to turn off the screen is go to shortcuts and there’s a button for it. Pressing the radio button for 3 seconds with the car turned off, turns both screens off.
I didn’t remove the cdv but it’s funny the M2 is smoother to engage than my previous G80 M3 manual. Maybe BMW updated something? I did other mods in my other video of this M2
What would you recommend, i had a giulia qv, now i moved on to the stelvio qv. Ive installed a sgw bypass and now with stelvio am able to make it rwd and turn TCS off. I enjoy making the stelvio drift now. Im starting to miss the small chassis of the giulia again. Do you think i should pick up another giulia qv or get the m2 for that small nimble feeling. Also considering getting a lotus emira.
The new M2 doesn’t feel light but it’s still fun because of the size. If you want nimble get a F87 M2 CS there a riot to drive fast. Emira still seems impossible to get
Great video, Phil. I have been on the fence between the G87 M2 and the Giulia QV for a while now. I am in the midwest with similar weather and road condition as you. How does the two compare? Which one would you take if it is to be your daily driver?
Only reason to sway yourself into the M2 is for the manual gearbox and more abundant dealer network for support. The QV is a tough car to beat in every aspect otherwise
@@autofanaticcars tuning potential, interior quality, infotament, reliability all in favor of G87. Was considering QV for second time but decided for M2 again, G87 this time.
Enjoyed your video and comments Have one myself manual zandvoort blue I recommend just centre front vents and under oil cooler protection grills from zunsport uk fits and looks good stops rubbish and rock damage 😊
idk about the opinion that the f80 had more low down tq. I owned and dailied 2 f80s including an f80 CS and thought it was way more laggy than the g8xs. the f80 was laggy, slow, and couldn't put the power down. not great combinations. (edit: I will agree the f80 struggled to put down what low down power it did have)
Love what you did the to car Phil. I just can't get over the boxy style of this new M2. I'm more a fan of the older rounder version M2, which they should have made more aggressive for the 2022-2024 model years rather than the boxy look. I agree with you on the lower grill as well as the wheels & tires. The interior is beautiful. Love all the carbon and really like the rear carbon spoiler too! You never see those on this car.
The more i drive the M2 the more i appreciate how good it’s engineering is this car is incredible to daily with zero driver fatigue. Chassis and suspension feel so much better than my previous G80 M3
I test drove a G80 M3 in manual a year ago and left extremely disappointed. The g80 felt so numb to me, too refined, too quiet and I hated the manual. I recently test drove the g87 M2 manual and really enjoyed it, even the manual wasn't bad. This is left me extremely confused because they are pretty much the same car and maybe I should revisit the g80 M3. While I prefer the looks of the M2 in BSM, I love the IOMG and practicality of the G80. Oh yeah I hated the bucket seats as well, comfort seats are the way to go.
Yes i was really bored with my G80 M3 after 11 months of owning and the Carbon Buckets were absolutely torture to daily. The M2 is so much more fun i think because its smaller, coupe and shorter wheelbase makes it more lively I really loved the M2 for the two weeks i had it and miss driving it around
15mm spacers so now all the stones are getting flicked up against your paintwork instead of under the arches!...looks badass but it's a pain in the ass 😢
It's a nice car. I do think the front and rear bumpers are too unrefined and tuner-ish for a BMW - not that the styling of the new Mustang Dark Horse is is refined either. Both cars need to improve that awkward rectangular screens and cover the doors and dash in real stitched material for that money. Personally, I think a GT350/r is a much better car, and will hold it's value.
@@autofanaticcars It's a great car, a very special car and a future collectable. It's not great at everything, but it's great at everything it's meant to be. It's my fav outside of something 3x+ its price.
exactly what I was trying to convey in my video there are not many options under 100k brand new except this and the Mustang and a Porsche 718 GTS will see you back well over 30k more if you can even find one anymore now.
Pretty good review, but a bit spoiled by your needless crapping on the Mustang. A plain jane GT Premium is not in the same price bracket as an M2. The Mustang competitor as far as price goes is the M240i. And yes, even the M240i has a nicer interior and better build quality than the Mustang, but it doesn't come in a manual and doesn't look nearly as good.
the carbon fiber aero kit is from TRE you can view these items on the IND website they offer so many different options. the fit was excellent and weave perfect as well.
Man the new Mustang GT and Dark Horse are so expensive, I'm not sure why someone would by them over an M2. I'm actually quite surprised BMW has this starting in the 60 thousands range
Ford when they created the S550 platform and put the IRS in the rear was specifically targeted at the Euro buyers of M4 and Audi S5. Ford bought M3, S5 and other cars to dissect and copy the underpinnings of the Germans and thats why performance levels are so comparable just with different approaches on power plants
how does this car compare to your Giulia QV?????? I know a guy from hong kong.....He owned a red QV for 5 years....and he sold it,,,and he bought a 2024 m2 CS.....
the front can be enhanced easy with the aero bits in abundance with the aftermarket i think some companies have revised bumpers and tail lights coming out the platform is very popular for the aftermarket. In black the car would look mean if done up the way I would like
Why this is even being compared to a Mustang is beyond words for me. This is an upper-echelon vehicle - How a Ford that you see 30 of on the way into work and back home is insane. NO COMPARISON
Damn, the driving ability of the people in that region is straight up scary😂 I couldn’t focus on the content seeing the sad attempts at driving around you😛
This is NOT a good car for driving in NYC. The speed limit is 25 mph and is photo enforced. Who wants to drive around in an M2 every day doing 30 or less for the entire trip? And the traffic in NYC is awful, even at 11pm!
The design of the new m2 is atrocious. It looks like it was built out of Legos and has zero appeal. Sorry no badge is going to make this Schmutze of a sports car desirable. I don’t like the design of the new Mustang either but at least it was designed with someone who has testicles and not “Soyboy “ influenced.
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Spot on man! I had the g80 too and got one of these in Zandvoort Blue. The m2 sounds better, and feels better all around.
Good to hear! I wish the M2 was available back then I think I would have been happier and kept it. Its a really fun car imagine a CS version one day
As always, thanks for the review! I just took delivery of my 2024 M2 a few days ago. I saw 2024 6-speed DarkHorse a few months back at my local dealership, but they wanted 7-10K over MSRP. I’m glad I waited and got a better car slightly under MSRP.
Good choice! Enjoy it these Mustangs have gotten way overpriced for mediocre quality.
What kind of discount were you able to get? I'm looking at this or a used RC-F basically.
Both cars have a horrible display panel in your face. But any sane person would take an M2 over a Mustang.
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Yep, all these new cars interiors look identical. They are all just a huge screen scalpped on a flat dash.
2021-2022 bmw interior is by far the best interior bmw has ever done
This person can’t afford
@@G82Wattsagreed! I have a 2022 m240i xdrive and upgrading to a 20225 M2. Really exited except for the change in the screens… going to miss the M240i interior screens 😢
Good to see a local Westchester content producer! know that route well, i knew it looked familiar!
22:30 so true🤣🤣
Nice review. I have one in white with cognac interior, bi colored wheels, and manual transmission.
Can you clarify what size spacers your running front and rear? You initially mentioned 15/20 then 15/12. Is it 15mm in the rear and 12mm in the front with stock ride height?
I like the way it looks and may do the same with my car.
Hi the spacers are 15mm front and 12mm rears FYI the front plastic wheel arches will need to be cut and modified near the oil coolers as the tires do rub at full lock in reverse. I just modified the wheel arches yesterday and corrected this. I will post a short REEL on my IG today showing it. its a bit of a PITA to do but if your a creative fabricator with the proper materials you can do it yourself IND does sell modified arches for $900 plus shipping
Phil with the spot on reviews. Let’s do a photo shoot with both my G80 and the G87. I can imagine it feeling better due to its size and smaller wheel base
Better looking than g80 for sure, the widebody looks cool. But dang, a car that size but weighs the same as a QV.. that should be like 3400-3500 lbs
I think weight on all new cars is higher due to government regulations they need to incorporate into new cars
Jeez, anyone need cheese with this wine? Car is awesome. 2025 manual.
Keep up the awesome reviews
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How’s the performance compared to the QV? I’m debating both of these as my next car. No manual option in the QV is the only negative to me. The dash in the M2 really bugs me too…..like all new BMWs, doesn’t look right.
QV is much faster and is lighter and built with more aluminum and carbon it is a tough car to beat, like i said you have to like the BMW aesthetics inside and out to go for these cars otherwise choose another brand or go older
@@autofanaticcars Actually both are very similar when it comes to speed . G87 with zf8 is 8.4-8.8s 100-200kmh just like QV . Similar with weight if you put both these cars on a scale with full tank they are both slightly above 1700kg.
Isn't the QV like 20k more lol
@@karolmaciejewski340Smoke m2s with ease in my QV,..not the same
I recommend to you next mod to be single midpipe with down pipes makes this sound insane !
Considering options now but in NYC its risky to do loud exhaust they give $1500 tickets and can impound car it’s ridiculous we are looking into midpipe options mostly
Great review! I just got my 24 M2 about a week ago and loving it so far. Love the carbon side skirts and front lip on the car. How was it to install them? Do they existing hardware on the car? Can you send a link to what you got?
IND is who we buy all our BMW tuner parts from
Great review as always-just got an alpine white M2 and love it. I do disagree with you as an alternative to a Mustang. They're totally different cars even though they're both RWD. The Mustang GT is also 20k less money so it's really in a completely different segment. Ford is already discounting them left and right.
New fully loaded Mustangs top out at the same price now not comparable to a base no option GT and Fords target for years was to attract the M4 M2 buyers with equal levels of performance
I would assume though that dropping in that Rogue Engineering OCTANE Short Shift Kit will void the factory warranty.
I'd like to see a raised trunk wing (similar to the e30M3) built for the 2 series.
Check out Vorsteiner there was a sweet purple modified M2 last Sema show i think PSI built it in Florida
I have the baby brother ‘24 230i XDrive. It’s also quite fun!
We had the '22 230i xDrive and loved it as well...the lighter B48 4 cylinder (vs the B58 six) felt more nimble/less heavy (because it was !) and provided plenty of power for us; saved us purchase price and insurance costs too. That said, BMW makes excellent straight six engines...they are powerful and buttery smooth...as in our '23 x3 M40i. Test drive both 4 and 6 cylinder versions of the 2 series.
Nice! Did you replace the Giulia QV with this? Or do you still own both?
They do 19 front as it gives better braking, 20 on rear offers better traction. Was the shifter hard to install??
If you want to quickly turn off the right-hand screen, just push and hold the radio volume switch for 3 seconds and it turns off the screen. A simple push of the rotary wheel on the center console will bring back the screen. Nice video…great constructive criticism. Thanks.
Thanks for the tip! I really did enjoy my two weeks in the M2
…it’s unfortunate that this beautiful (semi-customized) ride will be subject to harsh conditions in Tri-State area, NYC in particular . Curious to see the condition of this car a year from now.
It should hold up fine the owner has me take care of the entire stable
Actually an easier way to turn off the screen is go to shortcuts and there’s a button for it. Pressing the radio button for 3 seconds with the car turned off, turns both screens off.
How is the 1 - 2 shift? Is it jerky like the the M3? ANd did you remove the clutch delay valve?
I didn’t remove the cdv but it’s funny the M2 is smoother to engage than my previous G80 M3 manual. Maybe BMW updated something? I did other mods in my other video of this M2
What would you recommend, i had a giulia qv, now i moved on to the stelvio qv. Ive installed a sgw bypass and now with stelvio am able to make it rwd and turn TCS off. I enjoy making the stelvio drift now. Im starting to miss the small chassis of the giulia again. Do you think i should pick up another giulia qv or get the m2 for that small nimble feeling. Also considering getting a lotus emira.
The new M2 doesn’t feel light but it’s still fun because of the size. If you want nimble get a F87 M2 CS there a riot to drive fast. Emira still seems impossible to get
Great video, Phil. I have been on the fence between the G87 M2 and the Giulia QV for a while now. I am in the midwest with similar weather and road condition as you. How does the two compare? Which one would you take if it is to be your daily driver?
Only reason to sway yourself into the M2 is for the manual gearbox and more abundant dealer network for support. The QV is a tough car to beat in every aspect otherwise
@@autofanaticcars tuning potential, interior quality, infotament, reliability all in favor of G87. Was considering QV for second time but decided for M2 again, G87 this time.
After watching you drive, I wish I got the stick over the automatic.😞I was too impatient and settled on the auto.Thanks
I never driven a m2 auto but the older F 87 M2 with the DCT are awesome. I wish BMW kept the DCT
DCT is key, and it's what I'm glad i have in my 24 RS3!!@autofanaticcars
Is this the same Rogue Engineering which botched their shifters for F22 group buy ?
I know nothing about that we buy these parts from IND
Great review very informative!
Glad it was helpful! The M2 is an excellent car all around I really enjoyed my two weeks with it
Will you do a video on the shifter install
Absolutely not its a tedious cursing full afternoon to install way to stressful to video
@@autofanaticcarsso how much did it cost + which parts you have changed ?
Enjoyed your video and comments
Have one myself manual zandvoort blue
I recommend just centre front vents and under oil cooler protection grills from zunsport uk fits and looks good stops rubbish and rock damage 😊
Thanks for sharing il look into these today who sells these in the USA?
Excellent sports car! Hands down, extremely capable badass car.
Definitely a fun car and very well built there wasn’t a single creak or rattles on those busted sections of roads I drove over in this video
idk about the opinion that the f80 had more low down tq. I owned and dailied 2 f80s including an f80 CS and thought it was way more laggy than the g8xs. the f80 was laggy, slow, and couldn't put the power down. not great combinations.
(edit: I will agree the f80 struggled to put down what low down power it did have)
Respect to peep in the beginning
Love what you did the to car Phil. I just can't get over the boxy style of this new M2. I'm more a fan of the older rounder version M2, which they should have made more aggressive for the 2022-2024 model years rather than the boxy look. I agree with you on the lower grill as well as the wheels & tires. The interior is beautiful. Love all the carbon and really like the rear carbon spoiler too! You never see those on this car.
The more i drive the M2 the more i appreciate how good it’s engineering is this car is incredible to daily with zero driver fatigue. Chassis and suspension feel so much better than my previous G80 M3
I test drove a G80 M3 in manual a year ago and left extremely disappointed. The g80 felt so numb to me, too refined, too quiet and I hated the manual. I recently test drove the g87 M2 manual and really enjoyed it, even the manual wasn't bad. This is left me extremely confused because they are pretty much the same car and maybe I should revisit the g80 M3. While I prefer the looks of the M2 in BSM, I love the IOMG and practicality of the G80. Oh yeah I hated the bucket seats as well, comfort seats are the way to go.
Yes i was really bored with my G80 M3 after 11 months of owning and the Carbon Buckets were absolutely torture to daily. The M2 is so much more fun i think because its smaller, coupe and shorter wheelbase makes it more lively I really loved the M2 for the two weeks i had it and miss driving it around
Amazing Mexican Engineering! I love my mexican made 2014 VW TDI, indestructible
15mm spacers so now all the stones are getting flicked up against your paintwork instead of under the arches!...looks badass but it's a pain in the ass 😢
Would you do the Dinan Monoball for every day driving?
If you want faster lighter steering
@@autofanaticcarsdoes this also give you more feedback?
Does engine has lot of plastic parts that will break
now insurance companies know "everything" you do, where you go and how fast ,with built in technology, everything
Our entire culture is getting worse and more invasive in our privacy
What about the RS3? IT would smoke this !!
Not interested in AWD car’s personally
Nothing fun about audi driving dynamics unless you only care about drag racing people on the streets.
@@autofanaticcars wwould u trade ur alfa for this m2 given it's manual
@@timothybracken1728 m2 performs better than rs3 in every way except 0-60 because of awd
RS3 is cool. A lot of people like them. Personally, I can’t look at any Audi 3 series without my brain screaming, “It’s a Jetta!”
Kinda in the same price bracket??? Mustang is about 1.200.000 DKK while the M2’s around 500.000/600.000 DKK
If it was 3400 ibs sounder better and looked better it would be a no brainer for me but unfortunately, I cannot get used to those looks and that sound
Remus full race exhaust is pretty wicked on these i had one on my G80. Looks are still subjective but it’s growing on me
It's a nice car. I do think the front and rear bumpers are too unrefined and tuner-ish for a BMW - not that the styling of the new Mustang Dark Horse is is refined either. Both cars need to improve that awkward rectangular screens and cover the doors and dash in real stitched material for that money. Personally, I think a GT350/r is a much better car, and will hold it's value.
I miss my GT350R! Been browsing for another
@@autofanaticcars It's a great car, a very special car and a future collectable. It's not great at everything, but it's great at everything it's meant to be. It's my fav outside of something 3x+ its price.
exactly what I was trying to convey in my video there are not many options under 100k brand new except this and the Mustang and a Porsche 718 GTS will see you back well over 30k more if you can even find one anymore now.
Pretty good review, but a bit spoiled by your needless crapping on the Mustang. A plain jane GT Premium is not in the same price bracket as an M2. The Mustang competitor as far as price goes is the M240i.
And yes, even the M240i has a nicer interior and better build quality than the Mustang, but it doesn't come in a manual and doesn't look nearly as good.
Who makes the carbon front lip.
the carbon fiber aero kit is from TRE you can view these items on the IND website they offer so many different options. the fit was excellent and weave perfect as well.
You cant spec out cf mirrors or spoiler from factory, must be aftermarket
Car was delivered like this they look factory oem parts
@@autofanaticcars Really? Damn, wasn't an option for my '23
They are M performance. Dealer installed option. Same with the Alcantara arm rest.
Man the new Mustang GT and Dark Horse are so expensive, I'm not sure why someone would by them over an M2. I'm actually quite surprised BMW has this starting in the 60 thousands range
The quality of the M is superior for the same money
Is this comfortable enough to be daily?
Incredible daily and more comfortable than my Alfa Romeo Giulia QV
Who installed the shifter
I did everything
@@autofanaticcars what is your shops name
@@autofanaticcars where is the shop located and called
the fact that its compared to a mustang shows how far the germans have deviated from their compact sports sedan mantra
Ford when they created the S550 platform and put the IRS in the rear was specifically targeted at the Euro buyers of M4 and Audi S5. Ford bought M3, S5 and other cars to dissect and copy the underpinnings of the Germans and thats why performance levels are so comparable just with different approaches on power plants
how does this car compare to your Giulia QV??????
I know a guy from hong kong.....He owned a red QV for 5 years....and he sold it,,,and he bought a 2024 m2 CS.....
Two different cars really. I don’t think the G87 M2 CS exist yet most likely he has the 2020 CS which is awesome ive been considering one myself
Now imagine the cost of living with California roads, so brutal
The amount of SUV's on the roads is TOO Dam High
I agree
Future Alfa replacement?
I really miss daily driving a manual ive been looking at F87 M2 CS lately
Its too ugly😅
Well I like the side profile. Not a fan of the front and rear lights. But I agree with the size
the front can be enhanced easy with the aero bits in abundance with the aftermarket i think some companies have revised bumpers and tail lights coming out the platform is very popular for the aftermarket. In black the car would look mean if done up the way I would like
Car is quite peculiar looking to be kind!!😂
How tall are you? Comfy in the M2?
5/10 very comfy the car has awesome visibility as well
@@autofanaticcarsThis over a Camaro as well ?
I'm 6'2 and don't have any problems with fitting
Why this is even being compared to a Mustang is beyond words for me. This is an upper-echelon vehicle - How a Ford that you see 30 of on the way into work and back home is insane. NO COMPARISON
Damn, the driving ability of the people in that region is straight up scary😂 I couldn’t focus on the content seeing the sad attempts at driving around you😛
The Mustang interior looks decent in pictures but in person everything feels like hard plastic. The steering wheel, the shifter, everything.
Typical Ford thats what this customer thought as well it felt like a recycle plastic lunch box where as the M2 feels superior in quality
Pardon me for my ignorance but isn’t the GT $25k less?
Not once you load up options a Mustang becomes ridiculously expensive
I think he should've mentioned the Dark Horse instead.
@@autofanaticcarsunderstandable
Nismo Z or M2 ?
This is NOT a good car for driving in NYC. The speed limit is 25 mph and is photo enforced. Who wants to drive around in an M2 every day doing 30 or less for the entire trip? And the traffic in NYC is awful, even at 11pm!
pirellis dont work with bmws
I want to like this car, but I just can’t. Built by Lego. It’s horrible looking, outside and inside.
Bone votier model bwm.
😅😅😅😅
I hate sketchy cars. They aren't fun to own
The design of the new m2 is atrocious. It looks like it was built out of Legos and has zero appeal. Sorry no badge is going to make this Schmutze of a sports car desirable. I don’t like the design of the new Mustang either but at least it was designed with someone who has testicles and not “Soyboy “ influenced.
did you forget about the Woke Rainbow Ford Raptor ha ha ha ha
@@autofanaticcars haaa haaa that’s true