Iridium vs GR-1 - Which does Granular Better?

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025

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  • @cp99music
    @cp99music 2 года назад +42

    People saying "you can't compare these two synths, it's apples and oranges" is one of my biggest stupid pet peeves lol. Seeing how they're different is THE WHOLE POINT OF COMPARING THEM. Also just using the phrase "apples and oranges" as if you can't compare two round fruits that grow on trees.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +3

      That was kind of my thought too 😂

    • @big-smoke-rc
      @big-smoke-rc Год назад +2

      If you want an Apple, and you're given an Orange, you aren't happy. Visa versa.

    • @spintonik
      @spintonik 8 месяцев назад

      I thought the point of comparing two synths was to conclude they sound almost identical, and it's ok to buy the Behringer clo.. I mean cheaper one.
      And then the owners of the Seque.. I mean expensive one all swarm in to state they hear a big difference, like in apples and oranges 😂

    • @labworx
      @labworx 3 месяца назад

      But you can compare two cars....

    • @willswitchcraft
      @willswitchcraft 3 дня назад

      Agreed. Of course you can compare apples and oranges, and you should. These days, synths (and effects for that matter) are so different in design and function, that it's almost impossible to find two that have many similarities, yet we need some real, clear answers when we're interested in buying new gear. Feel free to check out my (very few) gear reviews - I'm very critical and blunt, and many viewers really seem to enjoy that perspective.

  • @hughkremer4026
    @hughkremer4026 Год назад +8

    Humor is hard and few people can pull it off with this type of content, but I think you’re a funny guy.

  • @Bananskuden
    @Bananskuden Год назад +14

    The GR-1 has a MONOphonic playhead, and the Iridium has POLYphonic playheads. Every time you play a note on the GR-1 the playhead resets for all notes. On the Iridium each note plays independently, as visualized on the screen. This is a big difference that all reviewers overlook for some reason. It made me replace the GR-1 with a Quantum. Maybe I couldn't find the setting in the menus of the GR-1, even though I looked and looked many times.

    • @jonirischx8925
      @jonirischx8925 8 месяцев назад

      Tasty Chips is now coming our with a successor to the gr-1 that is polyphonic!

  • @tedstahl3794
    @tedstahl3794 2 года назад +8

    Jameson - Great video! I have the Iridium and I've been tempted by the GR-1 because of the interface.
    One thing that I was having trouble with originally was the constrainable random jumping around that I've always associated with granular synthesis. I found that assigning a sample-and-hold LFO to the position and then modifying the modulation amount gives the Iridium that "sound" I was looking for. As you noted, Tasty Chips seems to get things right out of the box, but Waldorf allows for an immense depth through programming and customization.
    Peace.

  • @nitevisionimages
    @nitevisionimages 2 года назад +3

    This is such a great video! Seriously impressive work

  • @EricLevyMusic
    @EricLevyMusic 2 года назад +3

    That Rhodes tone is amazing, even before graining it out!

  • @downpatmusic
    @downpatmusic 2 года назад +5

    I hear the difference. The GR-1's more resolution comes across like melting butter compared to the Iridium more jagged crumbs. The Iridium sounds more transparent in this example but the GR-1 for this granular scrubbing sounds more musically useful which I would take over transparency. I would use this for under water sound effects. Nice comparison video Mr. Jones.

  • @mark35mi
    @mark35mi 8 месяцев назад

    Bro. Love your production value and sense of humor. Bravo!

  • @briansherling5515
    @briansherling5515 2 года назад +2

    I really am a fan. You are informative and fun! I love my iridium

  • @MapleSonics
    @MapleSonics 2 месяца назад

    This is one of the videos that eventually made me buy an Iridium. Talk about a holy grail, my lord. I will be entertained till the grave, will never need another synth again. That’s what i told my wife the other day. But i could just not get this GR-1 out of my head. It is so beautyful. Today i woke up, went to the websitr of Tasty Chips. Realised there is a new kid on the block. The GR-Mega. I preordered…

  • @collectionofsensations
    @collectionofsensations 2 года назад

    Thank you very much sir for sharing those wonderful Rhodes samples.

  • @Drew_Vernon
    @Drew_Vernon 2 года назад +2

    Both sound amazing tbh!

  • @Moruial
    @Moruial 2 года назад +7

    Soem very nice texture with both instruments. The GR1 has maybe a more "fuller" sound, but it seems the Iridium has more option to manipulate the samples. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. Great video!

    • @noizareth
      @noizareth 2 года назад

      100% exactly how i feel about them!

  • @cesarsjogren
    @cesarsjogren 2 года назад +8

    I got the iridium thinking I might kill two birds with one stone and I was very wrong. I loved it anyway, but now I have the Gr-1 and the iridium was sold

  • @asynchronicity
    @asynchronicity Год назад

    Fascinating and helpful comparison. Thanks!

  • @rayderrich
    @rayderrich 2 года назад +1

    Great comparison that only feeds my Iridium G.A.S. more. Thanks man!

  • @ErwinSchrodinger64
    @ErwinSchrodinger64 Год назад +4

    I've watched this video so many times. Got rid of my Hydrasynth, and got the GR-1 (Black Edition). You're not helping Mr. Jones. The G.A.S. is real.

  • @atomanelectronics
    @atomanelectronics 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video as always, ( I’m a fan of self deprecating humour ) concerning the GR1 versus Iridium , well I had the GR1 and though it was cool to use - the slider is awesome as you say for finding the sweet spot - the menu system and interface once you got ‘under the hood’ was a programmers dream- but alas my nightmare, and me and the filter just didn’t agree at all. I have the iridium now, so as you rightly point out there’s loads of synth engines- and the one I’ve yet to try is the ‘granular’ …… so as they say TBC . Thanks again for some excellent iridium videos very much appreciated 👍

  • @Sypher474
    @Sypher474 2 года назад +6

    Didn't know Bad Santa's new side hustle was synth vids! Love my GR-1, but the menu could have definitely done with some more usability work for really getting deep. I tend to just route it through external effects and a filter anyway. Still fighting my desire to get an Iridium as well, no sure this helped at all... Subbed 👌

  • @PeterJDeVault
    @PeterJDeVault 2 года назад +2

    My journey was slightly different, but I still ended up owning both the GR-1 (first) and the Iridium (second). Because I have the GR-1, I haven't really touched the granular engine on the Iridium. Seems like the next thing to do. Thanks for the video.

  • @troyjlandry
    @troyjlandry Год назад +2

    I have both and love them equally. 💕 🎹

  • @jericho2x2
    @jericho2x2 2 года назад

    Excellent comparison. Thanks for sharing.

  • @wickeddubz
    @wickeddubz 2 года назад +5

    Awesome! It would nice to watch ios granular apps comparison. Borderlands Granular, Spacecraft, Fluss (+AUM)

  • @tommyg5095
    @tommyg5095 2 года назад +4

    At 13:38, we are exposed to the rare technique of " TWO FLYING BIRDS "... Some may find this extremely difficult, while there are others that are naturally fluent in this approach.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +3

      Many have tried. Few have cared.

    • @tommyg5095
      @tommyg5095 2 года назад +1

      @@JamesonNathanJones
      I just used the ONE FLYING BIRD to SUBSCRIBE... CHEERS

  • @Hyperslob
    @Hyperslob Год назад +1

    Thanks for sharing! Check out the Tempura granular synth by the makers of the Vector synth?

  • @kkeytone
    @kkeytone 2 года назад

    My son loves the word wobbly. He would enjoy your wobbly sounds.

  • @xiaoxia5
    @xiaoxia5 2 года назад +2

    i knew a guy who was beta testing a Quantum, and i wanted one. then the Iridium desktop came out, and i wanted that. as cool as both units are, i read so many negative things about the build quality(mostly screen issues), that i stayed clear. i bought a M to satisfy my Waldorf fix for the time being.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +1

      Haven’t had any screen issues, but I have heard that from some Quantum owners. The M looks great too.

    • @tommyg5095
      @tommyg5095 2 года назад

      I started researching the Iridium about 4 weeks ago... I " wobbled " back and forth , seeing videos and chats describing the varied problems... Two days ago I told myself to just forget this, move on, keep an eye out for the next greatest slice of bread... Short story long. I found a used Iridium Keyboard, at a great price, and will be picking this up this weekend. I hope and pray the unit is free of any problems...

    • @xiaoxia5
      @xiaoxia5 2 года назад

      @@tommyg5095 hope you get a good unit. both the Quantum, and Iridium are fantastic for what they do.

    • @2112jonr
      @2112jonr Год назад

      The Iridium screen issues are pretty much fixed now, not heard a complaint in a long time. Also, it usually becomes apparent very quickly after buying it, so it's still under warranty. But I think Waldorf are now on top of this. The other thing with the Iridium is to update the firmware as soon as you buy it. Latest (beta) firmware has been beta for two years now, but it seems very solid.

  • @g3cd
    @g3cd 2 года назад +1

    Did you know the GR-1 now also comes as Limited Editon in BLACK and is twice as cool? You gtta get this! 😁

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад

      I did see that 👀

    • @zariisofficial
      @zariisofficial 2 года назад

      I have the white one, damn i wished i had waited to get the black one, looks so much better!

    • @g3cd
      @g3cd 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@zariisofficialyeah, and it also SOUNDS so much better too 😂 (nah, I just sold it to get a Torso S-4 as I'm fed up waiting for the update that fixes the aweful file saving situation while Tasty Chips works on the truck sized GR-Mega, I'd also LOVE to have some audio inputs that the GR never had).

  • @Dolle_Man
    @Dolle_Man Год назад +1

    I'm missing a personal recap, of you. If you have both of them, you use them for different purposes. like when do you use the Gr-1 and when the Iridium. Reading all the comments, it seems that many are ending up with both of them. I think it's safe to say if you are into granular starting with the GR-1 is the way to go..

  • @justjoeblow420
    @justjoeblow420 2 года назад

    I've been going back and forth between these two as my 3rd work horse in a hardware setup I've been planning for a while now. Some how I'm even less decided now and the idea of just saying fuck it and buying both would be very tempting if I could actually afford to do it.

  • @0072gldnfngr
    @0072gldnfngr Год назад

    Yea. The lack of audio inputs and ability to multi-sample.. on a sampler are two very big things that (I think) if they added to the GR-1 it’d be the best! Awesome video tho! Thanks man. I’m over here struggling. I agree. The particle synth is my favorite as well.

  • @davidRios622
    @davidRios622 Год назад

    If I had to choose between the Iridium and GR-1 , the iridium is a powerhouse that can do everything , if I need the niche envelope configuration of the GR-1 , I would go for that , but very niche applications.

  • @VinylWave11
    @VinylWave11 2 года назад +3

    I have both the GR-1 and the Iridium keyboard. I find myself using the Iridium much more. However I do like the GR-1 when I have a lot of time to spend on one instrument. I don't feel like it is as intuitive as the Iridium. I would love if you did an extensive how to and workflow of the GR-1. It would be very helpful. Also getting sound into the GR-1 and using samples in GR-1 is not easy for me. I just don't quite gel with the GR-1 so much as I do with the Iridium. But I would really like to be better with the GR-1

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +2

      The menu system and “under the hood” stuff is definitely less intuitive with the GR-1. Might do some more videos about that in the future.

  • @Jamooshoe
    @Jamooshoe 2 года назад +1

    Love your content and watch every video! Can I ask you what stand you’re using on your iridium? Thanks :)

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +1

      Thanks! It’s the stand for my Prophet 6 desktop actually, but I think it’s made by 3d Waves

  • @psytronic5049
    @psytronic5049 Год назад +2

    i wait GR MEGA Granular Workstation!!

  • @organicfrequencies
    @organicfrequencies 2 года назад +2

    Plug the ACIDBOX III after the GR-1 and you're in for a crazy time

  • @urielterry
    @urielterry 11 месяцев назад

    Hello Jameson. I love all the videos of the G-1.... But wanna know if a plug in can do the same??? for example the padshop 2 of Steinberg?... What you think... i don't know in which one spend my money....

  • @gavinpeters9531
    @gavinpeters9531 2 года назад +1

    Great to see this. I owned a GR1 which I gave up thanks to covid related financial issues. Have been thinking about picking one up again, but was curious about the granular synthesis in the iridium. Doesn't make my position any clearer .. I guess both is always the right answer.
    FWIW you can pitch the grains and pan them in the GR1 too, but the pitch mapping is nice on the iridium.

  • @Banquet...
    @Banquet... 11 месяцев назад

    Man, after arrival of Iridium Core and playing with the granular - I just realised, even in granular mode you can have more than one audio file being processed and then set to random, ping pong, etc, to move between them.. and this works for notes added with the first note still held... so if I do a chord by adding the notes slowly or like strum, different fingers can be playing different audio files, being processed by the same granular settings. This makes it insanely powerful! Can you do that on the GR1? Can anything else do that? Mind blown (not for the first time since using Iridium.

  • @tsunamimae1965
    @tsunamimae1965 2 года назад +4

    This gear is amazing! I guess powerhouse like Iridium cannot be as immidiate in hardware layout as granular-only gear, but both sounds otherworldy. However, GAS aside, how do you compare these nice hardware gears with NI granulars, like Straylight?

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +2

      Obviously the hardware offers tactile control, which counts for a lot to me. That’s said, I love Straylight, and I know there are several other vsts that do some really cool granular things. Still use Straylight often for the immediacy of just dragging in a sample from my daw and manipulating it quickly. Lots of modulation options too.

  • @bennethos
    @bennethos 7 месяцев назад

    Would love a comparison with ableton granular III . Why ? It’s more cost efficient for some of us . Just curious

  • @jazzbeats8168
    @jazzbeats8168 8 месяцев назад

    how does the GR-1 compare to VST such as SILO or Palindrome sound quality wise? I would imagine the VST would far more higher number of grains ... in the thousands?

  • @dovepaige
    @dovepaige 2 года назад

    I think you are trying to get me to spend a LOT of money I don't really have...two of the three devices I desperately want all in the same video!!!!

    • @BedouinRecords
      @BedouinRecords 2 года назад

      What's the third one?

    • @dovepaige
      @dovepaige 2 года назад +1

      ​@@BedouinRecords its nothing granular but I'm wanting to pick up the korg opsix

  • @carstensorensen154
    @carstensorensen154 2 года назад

    Great video. Only have 1010music BlackBox for hardware graining,,,,but several sw plugins...

  • @marcbrasse747
    @marcbrasse747 Год назад +1

    Since I bought and returned my GR-1 I’ve always felt a need to warn people. The one I got didn’t work properly. It did not safe any preset adjustments and thus seemed to confine one to messing around with the existing presets. How to make one’s own unique sounds on such an instrument? I basically had to threaten them with legal steps to force them to take it back. I Never received an explanation for what could have been wrong with my individual machine so I can only assume it was a major software problem. So be warned!

    • @WhoIsAlexElliott
      @WhoIsAlexElliott 3 месяца назад

      Thanks for this! That’s crazy that they wouldn’t just take it back easily

  • @zariisofficial
    @zariisofficial 2 года назад

    I love my GR1, though next month i plan to buy a Quantum,

  • @asynchronicity
    @asynchronicity Год назад

    Agreed that the lack of inputs on the GR is a nuisance / irritant. Luckily the new Mega version rectifies this.

  • @GeekGearSynths
    @GeekGearSynths 9 месяцев назад

    For me the winner is the GR1. However it will be dethroned by the GR Mega!

  • @downpatmusic
    @downpatmusic 2 года назад +1

    Wow scrubbing though that Rhodes sample is beautiful. If I was a famous film director (I'm not) I would hire you to score ALL of my films.

  • @christ5826
    @christ5826 2 года назад +1

    which makes the better granola ?

  • @simontomalik1095
    @simontomalik1095 2 года назад

    oh man you are so freakin funny, love your humor

  • @JH-te1ct
    @JH-te1ct 2 года назад

    I would have died if in your confession skit they threw a Behringer TD-3 at you

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +2

      That’s gold. I’m going to remember you if I ever become big enough as a hack comedian to hire writers 😅

    • @JH-te1ct
      @JH-te1ct 2 года назад

      @@JamesonNathanJones I do write! lol

  • @willswitchcraft
    @willswitchcraft 3 дня назад

    I just got a GR-1, and still, I'm finding the UI just annoying.............that said, it does sound amazing, but accessing parameters isn't great (having to use ONE encoder for almost all data input)..............the online and video manuals are quite poor, but I'm still really impressed with the sound. IMHO- the lack of an Audio Input is absurd, and the fact that it does NOT support stereo samples is quite an oversight/limitation. The internal Reverb is a complete joke. One more limitation: even though the signal input is converted to mono, the GR-1 does not even support a stereo audio out, so you can't jus use it as a real time effect, if you're running a stereo signal.
    I didn't get much joy from the granular on the Iridium......some great features and options, but I didn't find it engaging somehow - perhaps just because of the limit of grains............such a great upload. So useful and well presented.....................

  • @coreynasfell1095
    @coreynasfell1095 Год назад

    So funny! GR1 link doesn’t work.

  • @rhialto39
    @rhialto39 2 года назад +1

    I have both and it's hard to beat the GR-1 for pure granular. One thing I wish the Iridium had was the ability not only to travel backwards through the sample, but for the grains to have their own direction of travel separate from the scan line - eg scan forward through the sample but generate grains that move in reverse. Or have they added that in a recent FW update?

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад

      Agree. No reversed grains to my knowledge in Iridium. I was referring purely to the travel direction through the sample in the video. Would be a nice firmware addition for sure.

  • @mack_solo
    @mack_solo 2 года назад +2

    IMO and pretty much stating the obvious (i've got a PhD in that), the GR-1 seems to be more focused...
    * AND WHAT I'VE LEARNT FROM THIS VIDEO IS NOT TO TYPE COMMENTS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO TILL END COS EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY WAS ALREADY STATED IN THE CONCLUSION * 🤪 On a less goofy note, I am a sucker for granular synthesis. I can easily get lost in it for hours even more so than in wavetables. I dunno, there is something instantly explorative and creatively open-ended, which even when given (rhymes with Steven) the same starting sample point always leads to new horizons - I love that. I only have software synths for granular (Lectric Panda, Grains in Reason rack and Arturia Pigments) and I think I prefer having that type of synthesis in the computer, mouse clicking on a big screen and all. Someone manufacture the Collidoscope with 32-inch touchscreen please! (Fiore Martin & Ben Bengler collidoscope.io/) I'm waffling now, I'll go... Good video. Cheers. 👍

  • @labworx
    @labworx 3 месяца назад

    I didn't know pipe organs have stereo line out LOL.

  • @RikMaxSpeed
    @RikMaxSpeed 2 года назад +1

    I’ve owned both these synths, the GR-1 I can easily replace with more powerful iOS apps, the Iridium is a multi-talent beast, and this video didn’t really mention the filters: for example you can run any scratchy clicks sample through the comb filter and turn it into beautiful Karplus-Strong ambient plucked string atmospheres.

  • @seanluke3052
    @seanluke3052 2 года назад +1

    It's historically called a "Grain Envelope".

  • @millenniummastering
    @millenniummastering 2 года назад +1

    GR1 absolutely smokes waldorfs granular sound quality. I have both and man I wish it wasn't so.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад

      Haha yeah I know what you mean. That higher grain count really shows itself. It would be incredible to have that pure granular quality in Iridium, but I still love the fact that Iridium has some granular capabilities.

  • @Rightly_Divided
    @Rightly_Divided 2 года назад

    You can do 6 if you use both layers

  • @maydaygoingdown5602
    @maydaygoingdown5602 2 года назад +1

    Just use Falcon 2...
    So much cheaper and leaves both of them for dead especially regarding Granular.

    • @Dolle_Man
      @Dolle_Man Год назад

      349euro

    • @maydaygoingdown5602
      @maydaygoingdown5602 Год назад +1

      @@Dolle_Man Bargain.
      Like having 4 Iridiums in one package.
      Much better value than the 2.300 quid for 1 iridium.

    • @Dolle_Man
      @Dolle_Man Год назад

      @@maydaygoingdown5602 too much options for me 🥹

    • @maydaygoingdown5602
      @maydaygoingdown5602 Год назад

      @@Dolle_Man yes there's a lot to Falcon.
      Especially Falcon 2.8.
      You can use as little of its features or as much as you want.
      The piont is though, No matter what you do with it's features, it can do it much better than the iridium for example. No mater wether that be Sampling, Granular, Sound design, etc. Its many many times a more powerful tool to have at your disposal.

  • @istvantoth7431
    @istvantoth7431 Год назад +1

    Not difficult to image if the $700 dollar or trillionbilliongizillon dollar synth does the grains better... guess which.

  • @Jonas-km4qx
    @Jonas-km4qx 2 года назад +1

    The wallet never wins...

  • @smallalien5860
    @smallalien5860 Год назад

    Good info but I encourage you to pick up the pace.

  • @waltersir7306
    @waltersir7306 2 года назад +1

    If you are looking for a prize there are none, only more cardboard

  • @MrKrisstain
    @MrKrisstain 2 года назад +2

    Unpopular opinion: granular very rarely sounds good

    • @Dolle_Man
      @Dolle_Man Год назад

    • @ennayanne
      @ennayanne 7 месяцев назад

      if you don't know what you're doing with it

  • @hamsterbrigade
    @hamsterbrigade 2 года назад

    Didn't this dude marry Angelina Jolie? I didn't realize he was making great RUclips content under a pseudonym.

    • @JamesonNathanJones
      @JamesonNathanJones  2 года назад +1

      The ole career clearly took a downward turn after Fargo 😅

  • @vecvan
    @vecvan 2 года назад

    20:08

  • @donleino
    @donleino Год назад

    Ahh what a distiguished gentlemen using the word "tinkly" to describe sounds , carry on lad ... carry on

  • @Paparumbo
    @Paparumbo 2 года назад

    Funny 😀